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Wednesday, December 20, 2017

Civil war in the USA

More and more people are beginning to find this not merely possible, but plausible:
The thought of Civil War has been in the minds of many people lately, on both sides of the political and cultural divide. This is not a thing to be wished for, though no one should kid themselves into believing it’s impossible either. Let us take a sober look at what such a conflict might entail.

To begin with, it would not look like the first American Civil War, which was essentially a war between two regions of the country with different economic interests. The divide created two separate countries, both initially contiguous, intact, and relatively homogeneous. The lines of demarcation now are only somewhat regional, and tend to correspond to differences between urban and rural populations, as well as differences of race and class. A second American Civil War would be much more similar to the Spanish Civil War, with the leftists dominating the cities and conservatives controlling the countryside. Conflicts of this nature, with enemies mixed geographically, are a formula for spontaneous mass bloodletting. India-Pakistan during the 1947 partition comes to mind as another modern example. Given an absence of legitimate government and the friction of proximity, ordinary people can be moved to settle grievances by killing one another without the need for governments to egg them on.

Some dimensions of a future civil war would be, I think, largely unprecedented. When lesser countries have imploded in violence in recent times, they have done so with most of the world around them still intact. There were other nations to offer aid, assistance and intervention, welcome or unwelcome. There were places for refugees to go. The collapse of the world’s remaining superpower would take much of the world down with it. A global economic crisis would be inevitable. The withdrawal of American forces from bases across the world to fight at home would also create a power vacuum that others, even under economic strain, would be tempted to exploit. Whichever side gained control of our nuclear arsenal, our status as a nuclear power would probably persuade other nations not to interfere in our conflict militarily, but the collapse of trade alone would produce crippling effects that would be hard to overestimate. Many components for products our manufacturing sector makes are globally sourced.

Add to this the breakdown of our transportation system, dependent on oil and transecting one new front line after another. The internet would fail. It is a frail enough now. Financial systems would fail. What happens if the banks find half their assets suddenly in hostile territory? All Federal government functions, including Social Security, would fail, many of them losing their very legitimacy to one side or the other. Food production, heavily dependent on diesel fuel, chemical fertilizers and pesticides, not to mention a steady supply of genetically engineered seeds, would slump alarmingly. In short, most things we depend on are now held together by a network of delicate and complex connections.

Without those connections, would you have a job? If so, in what medium of exchange could your employers manage to pay you? What would there be for you to buy? Does your town, your county, or even your state have the ability to marshal its resources into a viable economy? How many people in those entities could deal with anything worse than a weather disaster, in which they count on the fact that help is coming soon?
As I have said many times, great movements of peoples is nearly always accompanied by war, sooner or later. It would defy both logic and history to assume or insist that the USA will be an exception.

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Anonymous ZhukovG December 20, 2017 12:25 PM  

It has already begun. It just hasn't reached flashover yet.

Anonymous Son of Liberty December 20, 2017 12:26 PM  

The deep state and satanists will not give up without a fight.
The failing american infrastructure will doom cities in a second civil war, as they will self-destruct quickly.

Though a second civil war probably lead to a third world war. What that looks like is unclear. I suspect it will be full of large scale EMP's rather than nuclear weapons. The goal to have citizens destroy themselves but not resources.

Anonymous Thaddeus Keiser December 20, 2017 12:27 PM  

Does credit still go to immigration if it's a lower/middle class tax revolt?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 20, 2017 12:29 PM  

My fear is that if the Left gets into power again, they will trigger a full-scale insurrection.

The joker in the deck being that the FBI and DOJ have decided they can thumb their collective noses at Congress. If that mentality seeps into the military, the implications will be very serious. The Left has very little support in the military...and DOD has bottled sunshine. A great civic disinfectant.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2017 12:30 PM  

> The failing american infrastructure will doom cities in a second civil war, as they will self-destruct quickly.

Even without enemy action, the infrastructure of most cities is fragile enough that breakdowns in war time are certain. The death toll will be more than most people can imagine.

A peaceful separation with easy transit to the region you wish to live is the best possible outcome, but highly unlikely.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville December 20, 2017 12:34 PM  

It's going to happen in one form or another, and I too think to outbreaks and civil wars in other countries.

That is largely the historical backstory for my next book "Foreign Entanglement" which only has five chapters left to complete in the first draft.

The scene is 70 years after the second civil war. After the fighting started people began moving again segregating into three areas, The Eastern Progressive Alliance controls most of the eastern seaboard. Most of Cali, NM, and AZ are part of the expanded Mexican empire who was assisted by the Chinese. Washington petitioned Canada for admittance. While other European nations were going through similar segregation and expulsions, the Chinese released a bio weapon in Africa targeting Blacks to get a clean-slate colony.

That's just barely mentioned backstory to a mil/sci-fi story, though China winds up with some karmic backlash at the end.

I'm looking for some beta readers. If anyone is interested just join my list.

http://redpillwriter.com/2017/12/19/psst-hey-buddy/

Anonymous Bad Attitude December 20, 2017 12:37 PM  

"Does your... state have the ability to marshal its resources into a viable economy?"

Texas, after the blue enclaves are purged.

Blogger de ti December 20, 2017 12:40 PM  

I don't think a civil war can be avoided, for all the reasons stated by Vox and in the quoted piece.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 20, 2017 12:41 PM  

Any major city, with the possible exception of the Texas ones, can be rendered uninhabitable by a small group of operatives. This is how we know that the Islamist terrorists are both infiltrated and their final objectives isn't actual destruction.

This is why clearing the Military of the competent was so important to the Left, and it's also why Trump's core "real power" support is Military. Civil War 2.0 would be short and end with a Military Junta in a couple of weeks, at most. Any Order is better than Chaos. Something we should have learned the hardway from Iraq.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 20, 2017 12:43 PM  

This sucks. I'm in a middle class Black neighborhood, surrounded by ghetto, the remaining supermarket derives much of its revenue from welfare recipients, the major businesses are used tire shops, check cashing places..... you get the picture. I'm a stone's throw away from the yuppified/ SJW/ counterculture areas (my city is pure SJW).

If civil conflict ignites, I'm not in an ideal place. Captain Capitalism advised people to get a handgun and decent amount of hard currency. To that I'll add a couple hundred servings of survival food. At least I have bars on my windows and doors.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 20, 2017 12:51 PM  

I've long posited that what's coming is a resumption of the English Civil War. In a real sense, it's the democrats (Parliamentarians) vs. the... I struggle to find a good term, because the Alt-Right (or just Right) has yet to coalesce around a particular alternative to selecting a ruling group of persons via the vote.

We know that popular democracy is simply a wonderful system for con artists to rob everyone. Mob rule is a disaster. But no alternative is YET available. Perhaps after a period of utter chaos, one will emerge. Perhaps a Charlemagne is in our future.
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One thing is certain to me: The Empire of Debt is going to evaporate. Its existence was like a huge greenhouse, built in Fargo, ND. It allowed the growth of entire economies of roses, carnations and exotic rain-forest flowers which spread like crazy across acre after acre.

When the borrowing stops, so will a huge percentage of:
Medical Services.
Military Weapons procurement.
Higher Ed.
Finance, Insurance and Real Estate.
Welfare State Administration.

--oh, and all the tens of millions of jobs that exist to cater to those industries as well.

Without Uncle Sam showering the proceeds of astronomical borrowing on everyone, a massive percentage of jobs will just disappear.

We'd have been better off allowing the economy to grow organically, under natural conditions, because resulting industries and jobs would be robust. Instead, our GDP-enamored soothsayer Economists insisted on "priming the pump," AKA growing jobs under the artificial stimulus of borrowing, and because bondholders were in a Bull Market Mania, interest rates were no brake on the folly.

Nothing of real significance will happen until stocks join commodities in a bear market, and interest rates rise enough to choke off borrowing and make debt service as difficult as swimming the Bond Ocean with a 200 lb anchor tied to your neck.

It should become very sporty then.

Blogger Orc_Democracy December 20, 2017 12:51 PM  

Americans don't have enough babies and no civil war has been fought by an infertile nation. What are you fighting for? Lebensraum to not have kids and play Xbox in?

Blogger Zundfolge December 20, 2017 12:54 PM  

Al From Bay Shore, even if there's never a civil war you should really consider moving.

Blogger allyn71 December 20, 2017 12:55 PM  

If civil conflict ignites, I'm not in an ideal place. Captain Capitalism advised people to get a handgun and decent amount of hard currency. To that I'll add a couple hundred servings of survival food. At least I have bars on my windows and doors.

MOVE. I know it isn't easy....blah, blah, blah. Do it or die

Blogger Aeoli December 20, 2017 1:00 PM  

War is hell, but this peace is fake and gay. I say bring it on, there are folks what need killing.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2017 1:00 PM  

> Perhaps a Charlemagne is in our future.

We could do a lot worse.

Blogger Jimmy December 20, 2017 1:03 PM  

A third world war could come from a US civil war.

I think the resetting of international debt would too tempting for some nations.

US and Europe would have to collapse almost once. I guess 70+ Trillion in debt would be on the line. Tempting

Blogger dc.sunsets December 20, 2017 1:04 PM  

@12 SOME Americans don't have [enough] babies. Some of us do, and are rather sick of subsidizing the freaks and the "can't do's." Oh, and we're tired of being robbed blind, deaf and dumb by the con artists who were largely elected by the freaks and "can't do's."

In the end, conflagrations like that facing the USA (and West, in general) do not actually have "fundamental" causes. They result from people coming off a mass-mania social mood high and sliding into a deep and bitter collective rage.

Even IF things were still relatively comfortable, it won't matter; people will be pissed and they'll be looking for scapegoats.

The last couple years of anti-white, anti-order, anti-American-culture ranting is just icing on the cake of Affirmative Action, Section 8 and seeding the land with Mestizos and 3rd world refugees.

All of this will be the focus of white hot rage when SWPL's and assorted other YT's see their dreams crushed under unpayable debts. Their urge to "help" others will first go cold, and eventually they'll turn on the totems of their earlier religion.

Annie get your gun. Beat the rush.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 20, 2017 1:06 PM  

Imagine every city looking like Beiruit, and the flashpoint regions of the countryside looking like the Congo war.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 20, 2017 1:10 PM  

I should add, race won't be the only score being settled. I for one would welcome the "Open Season" signal for hunting those who are hell-bent on selling self-destructive life choices (add hedonism, both hetero and homo, to drug abuse, alcoholism or inveterate gambling as means to ruin your life) to children and teens.

Misery loves company, and with the homophilia lobby showing up in schools (and after-school specials) it's high time to remind people that messing with our kids is a capital crime.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 20, 2017 1:13 PM  

@11 dc.sunsets

It's not Uncle Sam that's driving much of this. It's a lot more subtle. It's Lending, in general, but really it's Real Estate lending. It's the Usury step of inventing "debt as currency" and then using time-based arbitrage to extract value from it. This causes massive inflation, but they've learned to funnel it. Silicon Valley for a while, but that blew up. Now it's pushed into the Stock Market.

With the digital printing press, they'll never let interest rates normalize. They can drag this out a very long time.

Anonymous MinuteMan December 20, 2017 1:14 PM  

Buy guns, ammo, and food. And lots of it. Get training with your firearms. Have a plan of action for a disaster situation or societal unrest. Now is the time to do all of this.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 20, 2017 1:15 PM  

@19 dc.sunsets

Those involved in Planning will met a rather Unplanned exit.

Though one thing to make sure post-Civil War 2.0: we really need to make sure to write our own histories. Letting the Left "reinvent" history to suit their evil ends was a serious mistake. "Leave it to history!" is a really, really stupid statement.

Blogger Doug Cranmer December 20, 2017 1:20 PM  

Y'all just gonna head North, aren't ya.
There's a whole lot of land up here in Canada. It's a dynamic no one here seems to be considering

It won't all happen in place.
Interesting to contemplate.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 20, 2017 1:26 PM  

"it's high time to remind people that messing with our kids is a capital crime."

When my first son was very young, and I was much younger, I witnessed a very horrified look on the face of a colleague I would now call SJW as I expressed the love I felt for my child.

It was something like, "If anyone every seriously hurt my son I would hunt them down and make them pay with the most painful death I could conjure up and gladly suffer death or imprisonment as some large hairy Bubba's bitch in order to avenge or save him".

Never had to face living up to that. Not so sure I would have been able to live up to it, but the look on the guys face was priceless. Didn't seem to want to talk to me much after that.



Blogger dc.sunsets December 20, 2017 1:30 PM  

@20 Looking Glass,
I disagree. The fulcrum is Treasury Debt, which underlies everything else.

In the end, it's all Too Much Trust. Trust that the debts will be paid, that borrowing will always be possible, that interest rates will remain low, that Social Security, Medicare, AFDC, Housing Assistance, the EIC, you-name-it will always be there in the future when "I" need it.

Most Americans don't save. A plurality can't handle a single unexpected $600 bill. Jobs exist in a matrix that gives new meaning to fragile.

Borrowing became a lifestyle for EVERYONE. I submit that absent borrowing, Americans' average lifestyle would have collapsed decades ago.

Borrowing doesn't ADD anything. In fact, because you can't consume that which has yet to be produced, all borrowing does is OVER-CONSUME the present...by this I mean, we're living in the greatest period of Capital Consumption ever seen.

We are like gluttons who are getting fat eating the seed corn and the breeder livestock, all while losing the ability to know how to even raise livestock or grow crops. What happens when capital consumption (a declining line) intersects with demand (a rising line) and interest rates spiral higher?

We have our inflation. It's in the bond market (and the much smaller stock and commodity markets.) Credit inflation became DEBT. Debt is counted as WEALTH. If that "WEALTH" was printed in banknotes we'd have a Zimbabwe Inflation and everyone would recognize it.

Instead, it's all in IOU's. As long as rates were declining, IOU's got more valuable each year. Now rates are rising and IOU's get less valuable...THEY LOSE VALUE! It's like a pile of printed banknotes that EVAPORATE overnight.

This is why Credit Inflation is the most vicious type. The value represented will disappear when this long cycle finally reverses in earnest.

The value of T-debt will drop, the value of mortgages will drop, the Present Value of Pensions will rise and become utterly impossible to pay (and so they'll be defaulted upon.)

And bank portfolios will fall, too, and what do bank deposits depend upon? The bank's portfolio. The FDIC will turn out to be a mutual suicide pact.

Those who owe money will find their debts are fixed but their incomes are in collapse. This is what happened in the early 1930's. Property taxes won't fall, so people will lose their property to the county assessor. Holding on to what you have will be like avoiding getting hit when you're paid to collect golf balls on an open driving range.

Anonymous Anonymous December 20, 2017 1:36 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I should add, race won't be the only score being settled. I for one would welcome the "Open Season" signal for hunting those who are hell-bent on selling self-destructive life choices (add hedonism, both hetero and homo, to drug abuse, alcoholism or inveterate gambling as means to ruin your life) to children and teens.

Misery loves company, and with the homophilia lobby showing up in schools (and after-school specials) it's high time to remind people that messing with our kids is a capital crime.


"Inveterate gambling"? Are you serious? In a conflict that would bring about the collapse of modern society and result in hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths, no one is going to be thinking about "homophilia lobbies".

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing December 20, 2017 1:37 PM  

A lot of this has been discussed in the current sections over the years, so I've been preparing and planning to move to a more ideal location. Something I hadn't considered before this summer, is the potential for wildfire to be used as an agent of war, and how there won't be enough resources to contain it before it ravages everything imaginable. The west coast is a tinderbox after decades of mismanagement and it's ready to be weaponized against left and right. I was dozens of miles from this summer's Oregon fires, and while I was never in danger, it was unsettling how easily circumstances could have changed to put my house right in the path.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan December 20, 2017 1:41 PM  

@10
"If civil conflict ignites, I'm not in an ideal place. Captain Capitalism advised people to get a handgun and decent amount of hard currency. To that I'll add a couple hundred servings of survival food. At least I have bars on my windows and doors."

The prepper industry is mostly a scam anyhow. Your 9mm (or whatever it is), 17 shells and some MREs aren't going to hold out very long. Not sure what good it would do anyone in downtown SF, but "The Lost Ways" by Claude Davis are the concepts one should focus on for survival in a severe, long-term social/political/economic downturn. Again, those in rural areas have a natural advantage here as it appears you've already figured out, but I'm sure cityfolk can make some benefit of it as well - hell even suburbanite SJWs might find pemmican interesting to read about.

Anonymous Sunderr December 20, 2017 1:43 PM  

How would the internet be affected? realistically. Facebook, google and youtube would be affected. But I have no idea how far this would go, would they be shut down, would the maintenance cease, would they try to divide them and fight for the assets.

The people that absolutely need these platforms to live, like some youtubers, have no idea what's coming.

Blogger Conor Foran December 20, 2017 1:43 PM  

The worst part about all this is that most people are incapable of learning. Not just unwilling - though they are that, too - but incapable, even the moderately intelligent, and especially the women. They need leadership to give them direction. Trump is a step in the right direction, but nowhere close to what we would need to actually fix the problem, rather than merely stretch out the collapse.

Blogger MC Slammer December 20, 2017 1:45 PM  

Does anyone else agree that a graphic novel about a second civil war would be riveting? Of course Vox is the only publisher out there with the balls to print it and have the norms win. For Gods sake Vox, do it and take my money!

Anonymous Philipp December 20, 2017 1:46 PM  

The author of the article is right in pointing out that the coming civil in the U.S. will not look like the war of 1861-1865. Back then two sides were fighting each other. The coming civil war will look far more like the war going on right now in Syria, just minus the foreign interventions (Mexico might be tempted to reconquer the southwest tough).

It will be a war with lots of different groups and militias fighting each other, changing alliances, and an ideological (left against right), racial (whites against blacks against Mexicans) and maybe even religious (Muslims against everybody) going on at the same time.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 20, 2017 1:48 PM  

@26 No, Matt, you're right. People in extreme hardship will seek strength in numbers. They'll be thinking, "Is this person who wants to join us value-added?"

People who have histories of gambling, drug and alcohol addition, screwed-up social relationships, guys and gals who lie, cheat on their spouses, steal, etc....

Yeah. NOT going to be welcome.

FTR, people in that list won't last long under difficult conditions. Are you one of them?

Blogger pyrrhus December 20, 2017 1:49 PM  

IMO civil war will only come after some form of economic collapse, which will precipitate a fight over resources. If you read the John Ross comment, many will be shot simply because they can be recognized as the enemy, based on appearance. All you can do is be as fit as possible, have as much food as possible, a secure source of water, plenty of ammo, and a group that you can trust.
If you live in a remote area, several hundred miles from a big city, that would be a huge plus.

Anonymous Joe Prep December 20, 2017 1:51 PM  

Bring it on. I have water, ammo, and 500 lbs. of ground beef buried in my backyard.

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 1:51 PM  

Sounds interesting. I will check it out. Thanks!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 20, 2017 1:52 PM  

One potential weak spot with the author's plot line was addressed by Matt Bracken in his trilogy where in the last book foreign mercs from Kazakastan are brought in to tame the wild folk of TN.

As for urban to rural split the long but entertaining series "399 Days" exemplifies that.

But IMO I buy into the YugoAmerica concept and that begins with Chittum's "CW II."

Blogger pyrrhus December 20, 2017 1:52 PM  

Any collapse and civil war in the US will be accompanied by similar events in many other countries. Only a handful of countries can feed themselves, and the situation will get steadily worse as the third world grows. If supplies from the US and Canada are cut off, major mayhem will result everywhere...

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing December 20, 2017 1:55 PM  

"underrDecember 20, 2017 1:43 PM

How would the internet be affected? realistically."

When the power lines are cut to the city and water treatment hospitals and other priorities are shut down, let alone residential areas, your ISPs servers won't be coming back for a good long time.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 20, 2017 1:56 PM  

Hopefully, if we must have war, we will have Anti-French Revolution, one that puts that hellish genie back in the bottle. Yes, the author of the linked piece was dead on when he observed that utopianism dies hard. These leftists and SJWs today are the children of the French Revolution imho. It is as if all the great conflicts and tremendous bloodshed of the last century were for naught. They haven't learned a thing. Perhaps they can't.

These toxic leftist ideologies have been around longer than their shelf life, and they need to go or be made to go.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 20, 2017 1:56 PM  

How hard is it to make war on cities?

Cities produce no strategic renounces. They don't grow food. They don't mine ore. They don't drill for oil.

Given the size of the populations, their electric grids are precarious at best.

If this map is anything to go by they don't have much in the way of interior lines. Coastal California might be able to hold out by itself but on top of the electrical issue, there is also the problem of water.

The biggest problem is food. Cities have to import pretty much every bit of it. Cutting off all of the major highways wouldn't be too difficult. After that the cities will be trying to bring in what supplies it can from back roads and that won't be enough. Coastal cities might survive but that is assuming the Red People have no Navy at all.

The only real hope the urban centers have is to try an get their hands on as much gold as possible, thereby giving the coastal regions something to trade with. The question is where do they get the gold? How many alleged reserves are actually empty rooms?

Blogger Silly but True December 20, 2017 1:56 PM  

Knockout Game's already been going on for several years now.

Long Island Railroad massacre as the Second Civil War's "Fort Sumter" moment?

Blogger dc.sunsets December 20, 2017 1:57 PM  

@34, an isolated town would be better. If police services break down (as might be expected) the last place you want to live is where a group can show up and take their time, finding the right spot to hit you and then spend several days raping, torturing, etc. In South Africa isolated farms are very vulnerable.

Sadly, Section 8 has moved large numbers of underclass people into what would have been ideal communities.

This is going to be particularly challenging. Even obtaining a hobby farm on a lake and going "off grid" might sound good, but there's ALWAYS a government of one sort or another, and if others are starving, your stuff will be seized.

Clearly, invisibility would be a very useful ability. If you're the only well-fed person in the neighborhood, eventually the neighbors will figure that out.

To me, "Prepping" is oversold. Under conditions that seem likely, cultivating a great degree of flexibility and cultivating decent neighborly relationships might be wise investments.

Anonymous William December 20, 2017 1:58 PM  

@31 - read Matt Bracken's "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" series (3 books)

Though the first one was written more than 10 years ago, all three are applicable to the present day.

https://www.amazon.com/Enemies-Foreign-Domestic-Matthew-Bracken/dp/0972831010/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1513796216&sr=1-3&keywords=matt+bracken+books

Anonymous JI December 20, 2017 2:00 PM  

Which is worse - another civil war, or continuing down the path we're on? For me, the path has been reasonably comfortable, but I am concerned about where it leads in terms of our eternal destination.

Blogger Ceasar December 20, 2017 2:01 PM  

@35
Bring it on. I have water, ammo, and 500 lbs. of ground beef buried in my backyard.

[500 lbs. of ground beef buried in my backyard]
~~~~~~

Mother-In-Law?

Anonymous William December 20, 2017 2:02 PM  

Another good essay on the civil war II topic by Bracken is his short piece titled, "What I saw at the coup" - written from the perspective of a leftist after they attempted a purge of the right wingers, etc

Link:

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/what-i-saw-at-the-coup/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 20, 2017 2:04 PM  

We could just accuse the white SJW of trying to push America into civil war, they will deny it then we counter with that they need to tone down their wild violent rhetoric.

They won't, of course, but they might start thinking about civil war and then they should take a walk of a few blocks in length and find out who lives in those less than genteel neighborhoods so close to them.

All in all it will add to their insecurities, they all cannot move to Asheville

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 20, 2017 2:05 PM  

Bracken also penned the Civil War cube which denotes sides and security issues, WRSA posts it regularly.

Blogger pyrrhus December 20, 2017 2:06 PM  

IMO, the problem with Bracken's "Kazak" armored mercenaries is the fuel issue. Nothing is easier than blowing up fuel tanks and even refineries...If the Japanese had blown up the fuel tanks at Pearl Harbor, the Navy estimated that it would have taken 18 months to replace them.

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAcceptable December 20, 2017 2:09 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:This sucks. I'm in a middle class Black neighborhood, surrounded by ghetto, the remaining supermarket derives much of its revenue from welfare recipients, the major businesses are used tire shops, check cashing places..... you get the picture. I'm a stone's throw away from the yuppified/ SJW/ counterculture areas (my city is pure SJW).

If civil conflict ignites, I'm not in an ideal place. Captain Capitalism advised people to get a handgun and decent amount of hard currency. To that I'll add a couple hundred servings of survival food. At least I have bars on my windows and doors.

None of that will matter if TSHTF because the mob will figure you have something they want (bars are a giveaway) and they will storm your mini-castle. Shooting a few won't matter...they will just burn you out with a few Molotov cocktails. LEAVE while you can. There is ample precedent for your not being able to hold out for more than a day or two.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 20, 2017 2:12 PM  

The problem of the kazaks is that the former SF did not target the safe areas to cause over reaction by the feral government instead he left the poor slobs of Hoochieville take it in the rear. But yeah I generally agree with you.

Matt Bracken addresses the AT article over at WRSA as John Ross of GG mentioned Matt and his work in the first comment (761 comments follow most written by keyboard commandos like myself)

Anonymous Looking Glass December 20, 2017 2:13 PM  

@23 Doug Cranmer

Let's be honest. If the USA does go through a Civil War 2.0, we're probably making a deal with Alberta and invading the eastern provinces. Cut some deals, kick out the Progressives (or execute them). Win-win for everyone, minus the Lefties. But they get the Hell they desire.


@25 dc.sunsets

We'll probably forever be arguing about this one, but they really have taken full control of the major markets. It's done by a layered set of means, as they've disassociated everything in finance from reality (minus *some* commodities). They use a cruise liner approach to making turns, which is why they can't be seen easily. They'll also let certain markets blow up to let pressure out of the system.

At this point, I consider Central Banking to be a "Crime Against Humanity" and Central Bankers should be executed for being War Criminals, but that doesn't mean they haven't built a system that can glide-path its way for decades to come. It's a slow bleed death, but it's still well over the horizon, which is all they care about.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 20, 2017 2:18 PM  

We at Max Velocity's forum were discussing issues like this and the 1st Sgt who pulled Bosnian duty after the accords set us straight on it ever being clean. He said what went on in the rural villages was absolutely mind blowing savagery, Sarajevo was a fireworks show compared to the isolated mixed in villages that were caught up in the war.

Blogger S'mon December 20, 2017 2:18 PM  

Pace American Thinker, the Left-qua-Left won't fight, can't fight. They can only order the part of the Right they control to fight the part of the Right they don't control. If 'conservatives', or even 2/3 of conservatives, banded together on the same side, any conflict would be brief. There can only be a war as long as the Left continues to be seen as the legitimate goverment of the USA by a very high proportion of conservatives, who are prepared to fight for the Left against conservatives in rebellion against it. A real Brothers' War.

Anonymous Anonymous December 20, 2017 2:19 PM  

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Anonymous William December 20, 2017 2:21 PM  

@49 - good point, and it's just slightly suspicious that the link to that CW2 essay you cited is "broken" at the moment...

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 2:23 PM  

A military dictatorship is likely, at least in the transition phase. A huge military like ours would have to play a role in any post-collapse scenario. Maybe a coalition of generals would establish an authoritarian government, similar to what existed in Burma for so long (another state where defense spending was a massive part of the economy).
Such a coalition might try to enforce the peace by outright banning any expression of identity politics, as a part of martial law.
That could only last for a couple decades at most, probably. Maybe afterwards a peaceful split and transfer of populations could be achieved. Who knows, though. It's still speculation and I'm no authority. It's unfortunately fun to speculate. It's getting less fun, though, and more frightening with time.


One thing about dindus is that they are cowards. They don't seem like it, in that they willlfully attack others, but it's only when they have significant physical superiority. They are awful people for the most part, but they will be keeping their heads down in any areas where they are fewer in number. If you look at areas of the South, where whites fight with them rather than flee from them (a generalization that isn't accurate everywhere, obviously), they tend to be more defensive and their dysfunction is less rampant. Just a theory, but I'm guessing "small town" blacks will develop a deferential culture. Better to pull on the heart strings than try to fight a losing battle.
Even in the harshest conditions, the typical white American male lacks the cruelty to murder the openly submissive. While there were instances of massacres, for the most part Japanese soldiers who surrendered during the Pacific War had a high rate of survival. Much higher than POWs from other nations.
Again, speculation.

Blogger Anchorman December 20, 2017 2:26 PM  

Cities produce no strategic renounces.

A city's most important resource is usually deep-water ports.

Anonymous Manwe December 20, 2017 2:27 PM  

I have a feeling that many white leftists might begin to side with conservative whites once they start seeing other whites raped and murdered by racist blacks who care little about ideology. After all, they could be next.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 20, 2017 2:29 PM  

@57 WynnLloyd

Instant the non-Americans aren't welcome, they'll flee. I made a joke once that San Diego would be flatted from the people fleeing South. The non-Americans are only here for the resources/wealth, and they'll flee pretty quickly. It means nothing to them, so any consistent opposition will make them leave without having to put that much work in.

As for Blacks in this situation, expect massive Black on Black killing. Local non-drug based Kingpins will arise and they'll establish something like order. The group most on the receiving end of the hatred of the US Government since 1963 has been the group of civilized Black Men. They've practically been exterminated, but Order is always established, even if it means through a pile of corpses.

Blogger Bobiojimbo December 20, 2017 2:33 PM  

@Napoleon 12pdr

It has already seeped into the military as the Communist least point student scandal demonstrated. It's a question of how widespread it is.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 20, 2017 2:34 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:The biggest problem is food. Cities have to import pretty much every bit of it. Cutting off all of the major highways wouldn't be too difficult. After that the cities will be trying to bring in what supplies it can from back roads and that won't be enough.
As the recent events in Washington demonstrate. There are 2 roads through North Thurston county that make it to Seattle. One of them is blocked, conveniently also blocking the railroad tracks. Now, those tracks are not used very much, the beach route is longer but much less steep, and hence cheaper. The insane traffic on the rural highway led to several dozen wrecks and a 14-mile, 6 hour backup.

Yesterday the eastern approach was cut off by a typical winter storm that dumped 12-18 incehes in Snoqualmie pass.

Literally the only ways in or out of the Seattle area from the rest of America yesterday were to go north to the sole remaining open mountain pass, or across Puget Sound.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 20, 2017 2:35 PM  

I don't see what happens to Mexifornia. The southern part of the state is only part of the United States like Puerto Rico is. There's a white upper crust and industries but the area looks to be a Hispanic country.

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 20, 2017 2:35 PM  

Thaddeus Keiser wrote:Does credit still go to immigration if it's a lower/middle class tax revolt?

How can there be a lower/middle class tax revolt when all the taxes are paid by the rich and the UMC? 95% of taxes are paid by the top quintile - that's people who make more than $265k.

Blogger tz December 20, 2017 2:37 PM  

The risk is not so much war as collapse as noted in the article. Is Venezuela at war? It is starving. It can still provide subsidized electricity to black market bitcoin miners. But not food or even fuel. We see what happened to Africa when the whites are banished (and they are inviting in the Chinese).

Something similar is happening along slightly different lines in the USA - it is more rural-urban. Please, please let every big city be a "gun free zone". Logistics, supply lines, and even the creativity. And it isn't dead, just suppressed.

Most haven't heard about the Hepatitis A epidemic in Michigan - not the left coast, Michigan.

Puerto Rico last I heard cancelled the rebuild contract and is still mostly out of electricity.

We're watching Atlas Shrugged in progress. Trump is reversing some of this, but I don't think the collapse will be avoided. Neither guns nor gold can make food or clean water appear ex nihilo.

Even the rich - that Atlanta airport fire, only one Israeli cargo plane left during the power outage. How are they planning to get into their bioshelters in South Dakota?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 20, 2017 2:38 PM  

Manwe wrote:I have a feeling that many white leftists might begin to side with conservative whites once they start seeing other whites raped and murdered by racist blacks who care little about ideology. After all, they could be next.

You're not paying attention. This will not happen.

Blogger McChuck December 20, 2017 2:38 PM  

I would be amazed if the population didn't drop by at least a third, probably closer to half. In the event of actual emergency, get away from the major cities fast. The roadblocks to quarantine and starve out the cities might take up to a month to get organized.

Anonymous Manwe December 20, 2017 2:39 PM  

If you are white and live in a town or city that is more than half nonwhite, move to a white majority area as soon as possible. It's going to be life or death.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2017 2:44 PM  

"A peaceful separation with easy transit to the region you wish to live is the best possible outcome, but highly unlikely."

It's completely impossible. As annoying as it is, large swathes of people either aren't clever enough, or otherwise couldn't possibly care less about preparing for things like this, even marginally.

They'll be completely unready and incapable of transitioning smoothly, and when things start to go to pot for them they won't even hesitate to make everything a sh**show for everyone else too.

There won't be any peaceful transitions once things start breaking down even if things progressed in a linear fashion. People, however, tend to change directions suddenly as an exponential function. If you aren't out of Dodge running -- with a five-decade plan -- five hot minutes before the party starts, you aren't getting out clean.

"Perhaps a Charlemagne is in our future."

Almost certainly from where I'm standing. The only question is, if not the GE, who?

"War is hell, but this peace is fake and gay. I say bring it on, there are folks what need killing."

I must admit, I too am a bit past beginning to hunger for it.

"They result from people coming off a mass-mania social mood high and sliding into a deep and bitter collective rage."

I'd be more inclined to describe it as delusion shattering on impact with reality, a bit broader of a description.

"Their urge to "help" others will first go cold, and eventually they'll turn on the totems of their earlier religion."

This is what I keep saying. A lot of the useful idiot foot-soldiers will be the shock troops of our side once things start swinging. The trick is to never turn your back and always have your arms angled to cover both the nominal enemy AND the shock troops, like the pre-positioned commissar you're going to want to be.

"with the homophilia lobby showing up in schools"

I can sort of live and let live if they can keep it to themselves, but the entirety of history is a decree that no one ever, ever keeps it to themselves in the long run. No matter what, what's inside of someone will eventually end up all over the outside (and thus your kids). Better for them to be either exiled or buried first.

That being said, it doesn't have to be that way. People CAN be freed from that sinful "life"style. To ironically borrow/twist a line, a man chooses his path, a beast follows its nature. Rabid beasts get put down.

"Property taxes won't fall, so people will lose their property to the county assessor."

When that happens to more than about maybe 15-20% of the population though, there's going to be blood in the streets to the extent that the assessor won't be able to travel them to collect anymore. Misery has a way of going all directions when things get bad enough. The main real irritant is that the guilty parties that got the fattest off it all will likely mostly be on permanent vacation in other countries and/or well-stocked private islands when the misery starts to look their way.

Blogger pdwalker December 20, 2017 2:49 PM  

Al From Bay Shore,

You need to move, or at the outbreak of hostilities, you’re going to die, as is anyone living with and dependent on you.

Anonymous daddynichol December 20, 2017 3:01 PM  

One important factor: weapons. There are at least 300 million firearms (if not more) in the hands of private citizens. Even the armed forces are hesitant to take millions of pissed off people and don't think that the military can easily take out people who have only small arms. The Viet Cong and the various ME fighters have defeated superpowers with rifles and homemade weapons.

Read up on 4G warfare.

Most firearm owners are experienced hunters and former military and most active military may not be too keen on killing fellow countrymen just because some SJW commander told them to.

The cities will fall first and fall hard. When the hoards try to invade the countryside, they will be met with a brutal and unforgiving force by men who will protect their kin, their friends, their towns and allies. Anyone who shows weakness or compromise with the opposition will be pushed out to be on their own.

Warfare history is filled with examples.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 20, 2017 3:03 PM  

Food is important. Clean water is more important. Starvation is a weeks long death. Dehydration, due to bad or no water, means death in hours or days.
Cut off the clean water to a major city and the residents will be crapping themselves to death pretty quickly. Generals Cholera and Dysentery will harvest millions.

Blogger Demonic Professor El December 20, 2017 3:05 PM  

@tz

Hepatitis A in Michigan - the demographics are what's important. It's like bubonic plague in Texas - who has it? Not European Texans. Or Minnesota - what community as TB? What peoples in the west have medieval diseases that Europeans have natural immunities to?

And I agree with you on the Atlas Shrugged in action. As Vox repeatedly points out, the average IQ has dropped pretty quickly in the US. And a modern industrial economy takes an average 100 IQ to run effectively (heck, even Henry Ford knew this and established literacy and citizenship testing for his assembly lines in the 1910s - for his assembly lines!).

How does a society function when you need literate electricians, engineers, farmers - but don't have them? You get Venezuela, Rwanda, etc. The US and Europe have them, we've just been shelled out of those jobs vis a vis EEOC, immigration, globalism.

For our benefit, the low-IQ cannot long survive without subsidization. The wreckage they would create would be terrible, but not irreparable.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2017 3:05 PM  

> In a conflict that would bring about the collapse of modern society and result in hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths,

Round one killed roughly 2% of the population. Do the math and then realize this was without nukes and the heavily populated New England states relatively unscathed.

> Pace American Thinker, the Left-qua-Left won't fight, can't fight.

Both sides said the same thing in round one. Both sides were wrong.

> A military dictatorship is likely, at least in the transition phase.

Any military dictatorship in the US will probably try to find some remaining civil authority to act as their figurehead. How successful that will be I can't say.

> It's completely impossible.

I'm very much afraid you are correct. But this is why I support Calexit. It's the only peaceful way forward. Let those who want leftism leave and have a place to go. If CA and NY left and took a significant percentage of the leftist population with them, there would be hope for the rest of the country.

Anonymous Bad Attitude December 20, 2017 3:07 PM  

The essays about Matt Bracken's Civil War 2 Cube can be found on WRSA.

"The CW2 Cube -- Mapping the Meta-Terrain Of Civil War Two" essay can be found here: http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/07/bracken-cw2-cube-mapping-meta-terrain.html

"When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence" essay can be found here: https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/

Blogger Chris Mallory December 20, 2017 3:07 PM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:

How can there be a lower/middle class tax revolt when all the taxes are paid by the rich and the UMC? 95% of taxes are paid by the top quintile - that's people who make more than $265k.


You are thinking income taxes. The lower incomes pay plenty in property, payroll and excise taxes. A just married couple without kids gets bent over the barrel with income taxes.

Blogger de ti December 20, 2017 3:12 PM  

patrick kelly:

""When my first son was very young, and I was much younger, I witnessed a very horrified look on the face of a colleague I would now call SJW as I expressed the love I felt for my child.

It was something like, "If anyone every seriously hurt my son I would hunt them down and make them pay with the most painful death I could conjure up and gladly suffer death or imprisonment as some large hairy Bubba's bitch in order to avenge or save him".

Never had to face living up to that. Not so sure I would have been able to live up to it, but the look on the guys face was priceless. Didn't seem to want to talk to me much after that.""

I wouldn't have understood it either until I became a father. Now that I am one, I totally understand it. Fathers would toss themselves in front of speeding trains for their kids. Many father stay in shitty marriages for their kids, which is probably worse than tossing yourself in front of a speeding train.

Blogger Demonic Professor El December 20, 2017 3:12 PM  

As for the seperation/civil war 2 - the urban grids are notoriously fragile and terrible.

On top of that, most cities don't generate much of their own power, none of their food, none of their own water.

Plus, most urban areas are blue-leftist control, and their infrastructure, as per leftists, is in severe disrepair. The Midwest and Western states have much better roads, electric grids, and so on. Plus, almost all the resource extraction (gas, oil, food) is done in those areas. Even the Rust Belt has a better overall system than the Eastern Seaboard or California.

Another thing to keep in mind regarding military and police - symbols of "oppressive" authority: illiterates don't look at them and see "FRIENDS!" They see "TARGETS." Many in the police and military are working class dudes who live in neighborhoods targeted by the orc - even if for their own survival, they'd turn a certain way before long.

Blogger Azimus December 20, 2017 3:13 PM  

Bullcrap this will look like India 1947 - you have an impotent Indian state unable to keep a Grass Roots Rebellion (hindus) vs Grass Roots Rebellion (muslims) from killing each other. The Spanish Civil War is also a terrible example. Where's Franco's Morroccan Army coming from? The Spanish Civil War was Power Bloc vs Power Bloc. No - it will look more like the Boer War - a Power Bloc vs a Grass Roots Rebellion. Concentration camps for civilians, martial law and shoot-on-sight zones in the countryside. God help us if this happens.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 20, 2017 3:15 PM  

I've not really been a believer in Civil War 2.0 theories. But the Left is believing enough of their own propaganda to make it plausible.

As far as economic collapse goes, I don't think things go that way. What I see is inflation, combined with a freeze in welfares and Social Security. Kindly note that Obama kept SS increases below the rate of inflation for most of his term.

The jokers in the deck are the Federal bureaucracy...which is NOT monolithic. We've already seen the IRS, FBI, and DOJ thumb their collective noses at Congress. And none of our elected officials, including Trump, have the foresight to recognize this as open insurrection. If you want a Civil War 2.0 flashpoint, that's one of the plausible ones. Especially when you consider that the military is an inherently conservative organization. If they decide to dabble in politics, things could get nasty.

Another joker in the deck is the potential for an authoritarian conservative movement. Welfare goes, replaced by workfare...and lifestyle intervention. Which reads as "contraception as a precondition for workfare." Combined with a shift in use of force rules - a policy that civil unrest will get you shot. The Payers have had enough.

Blogger Silly but True December 20, 2017 3:16 PM  

That won't be the end of it; Cali won't have enough water, so SJSA will be bitching at USA that the Colorado River Compact needs to be renotiated or it builds a superhighway directly from its southern border with Mexico to its northern and easter borders with USA.

Anonymous johnc December 20, 2017 3:22 PM  

The modern food supply depends on transportation. Very little is grown locally. This is the largest vulnerability right now. Most people would starve, and quickly.

Look at how fast the supermarket shelves empty when there is just a modest natural disaster.

Furthermore, Americans do not have the strength in virtues and spiritual health to survive a civil war (or any other catastrophic chastisement). Demonic mental illness would take root in almost everybody very quickly. If Americans had these virtues in the first place, we wouldn't be in this position.

Anonymous Haha December 20, 2017 3:26 PM  

“For Sale: Conservative/Patriot AR-15, Never Fired, Only Dropped Once.”

Anonymous VFM #7916 December 20, 2017 3:27 PM  

So far dc and Snidely have the most useful comments here. Neighbors are the only ones you'll have around that will group together, and they'll only group together if you actually have made an effort to know them. You'll know the bad ones and the good ones, and the sorting will occur quickly on collapse if you're smart.

Charles Hugh Smith has some good thoughts on this matter, and points out the stupidity of the lone or small group prepper.

The Last Centurion is a decent read, as is Victoria. Some of the Victoria chapters still give me nightmares because I could see them happening so easily.

Also, on the Washington thing, everyone from Eastern Washington through Montana should pray that the collapse happens in winter after the passes are shut due to snow. A couple blockages on 84 would help to keep the Portlanders in the hell of their own making too.

Blogger Gordon Scott December 20, 2017 3:28 PM  

Al from Bay Shore, I'm in a similar situation, except my neighborhood is more lower class black. There is some younger folks moving in, but there's just too many vibrants (although there are two couples from NW Iowa that just rented the house two doors down. Nice kids. I talked to one, mentioning how their presence had shut down the drug market. He smiled, and told me how they had moved their guns into the house in a very ostentatious manner).

Once I looked at it as a problem of defending the household, it became too clear that I can't do it alone. I have to sleep sometime and I can't really cover things well enough. Once the stores are looted (3 hours, I estimate) they're going to figure Whitey has something stashed, and they'll burn me out if they have to.

I'm looking for a) your basic 5-acre hobby farm outside the Twin Cities, or b) maybe 10 acres somewhere in the eastern TN-western Carolinas area. If it comes to firewood, I'd need a lot less down south.

My wife is dubious. But it's not up to her.

Blogger Aeoli December 20, 2017 3:35 PM  

War will break out if the state lacks the economic and logistical ability to comprehensively punish extremism, as reported to them by normie snitches. That's when moderates will begin to fear the extremists more than the state, and clam up. After that, preference cascade. If anything, the tax cut was a setback.

Blogger spacehabitats December 20, 2017 3:37 PM  

"
Without those connections, would you have a job? If so, in what medium of exchange could your employers manage to pay you? What would there be for you to buy? Does your town, your county, or even your state have the ability to marshal its resources into a viable economy?"
My brother has spent a considerable amount of time promoting the concept of local currencies that could be implemented on a county level in rural communities. It would be backed by the essential service of policing property rights. Our rural agricultural area wouldn't be able to be the breadbasket of the world, but we could feed ourselves, which is more than I can say for New York City or even Omaha.

Blogger Aeoli December 20, 2017 3:44 PM  

South Africa is a more likely scenario if the de facto segregation continues slowly, because whitey flighty would rather starve in a hole than solve the problem. Rhodesia showed us how that ends.

Fortunately, Generation Zyklon does not appear interested in white flight.

Blogger Gordon Scott December 20, 2017 3:47 PM  

Tyler Durden says we have reached peak millennial in the cities, and they are starting to decamp to the suburbs. That could be interesting.

Anonymous Deplorable me December 20, 2017 3:53 PM  

Just moved onto 20 acres. Need to install a backup system for the electric well pump; also looking at greenhouses due to the short growing season. Livestock (except swine) is allowed, so I'll be looking into chicken/ducks (not sure if I'd be able to handle killing sheep/cattle, but chickens are stupid). Have just started to introduce myself to neighbors -- a few have ham antennas.

Anonymous Kennymac December 20, 2017 3:59 PM  

Are you an MVT alum, MantraMan?

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 4:00 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@11 dc.sunsets

It's not Uncle Sam that's driving much of this. It's a lot more subtle. It's Lending, in general, but really it's Real Estate lending. It's the Usury step of inventing "debt as currency" and then using time-based arbitrage to extract value from it. This causes massive inflation, but they've learned to funnel it. Silicon Valley for a while, but that blew up. Now it's pushed into the Stock Market.

With the digital printing press, they'll never let interest rates normalize. They can drag this out a very long time.


Its not really optional for them or in truth for stability . Removing the supports would cause an immediate global economic collapse. Good or bad, no politician would want that much instability these days .

dc.sunsets wrote:We are like gluttons who are getting fat eating the seed corn and the breeder livestock, all while losing the ability to know how to even raise livestock or grow crops. What happens when capital consumption (a declining line) intersects with demand (a rising line) and interest rates spiral higher?

Its actually a weirder problem, we have the ability with a few exceptions to produce far more than we need. Its lopsided in places and some of our extraction processes need fine tuning but we produce enough for 1980 + NetFlix and more mass transit in the West alone for a very very long time. But only the West

Problem is though in order for these goods to be transfered for producer to consumer either private sector labor or government spending has to occur

Demand for labor though is low. Blame this on automation mostly but overpopulation in general and women in the work force are also contributers

The only option in that case is State.

And note the problem is not new, variations of it were known centuries ago as crisis theory. Marx and the others like nearly every economist was wrong about a lot of things but there are grains of truth in there.

Too much production, too few consumers with a side chaser of too many mouths to feed for the long term.

The end result is going to be population decline anyway, if the West weren't being invaded this would not be an issue. We've responded in a sound manner on that issue for the most part, less children till the social portion of the economy stabilizes but globalists and cultural Marxists screwed everything up

Now as for TSHTF gun up, gear up, get good and most important get friends . Place like where Al from Bay Shore lives are deaths traps, ill prepared SWPL's are as big a threat as his current neighbors and can't be trusted

Anonymous Victor F. Michaelson December 20, 2017 4:02 PM  

I've read that Germany's economy depends on the influx of the US dollars the troops spend. That was before Germany took on the financial responsibility of feeding & housing millions of 3rd world dependents.

Though it would be ironic, would it be so bad if the Polish military occupied Germany when it's economy failed?

Anonymous TroubleSpeak December 20, 2017 4:10 PM  

There were other nations to offer aid, assistance and intervention, welcome or unwelcome. There were places for refugees to go.

All the more reason to support all genuine nationalist movements in other countries NOW. When the shit hits the fan, a globalist-controlled government can be expected to take the sides against the American people. At worst, a nationalist-controlled government won't get involved at all.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 20, 2017 4:23 PM  

If I were a cynical political operative looking to foment a civil war I’d be looking at the energy infrastructure, particularly electrical generation and reticulation.

The example of the 60s and 70s suggests that these are the weakest points, easiest to successfully disrupt, and will produce the most damaging mayhem.

Which means, as others have noted, get out of the major metropolitan areas, get set up to survive and defend yourselves and your (likeminded) community, make sure you can hit what you’re aiming at.

One thing is sure, when the political structure is so weak that a relatively small push can set it to dangerously wild oscillations, little is surer than that a cynical political operator will arise who is prepared to push.

Blogger Cloudbuster December 20, 2017 4:28 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:This sucks. I'm in a middle class Black neighborhood, surrounded by ghetto, the remaining supermarket derives much of its revenue from welfare recipients, the major businesses are used tire shops, check cashing places..... you get the picture. I'm a stone's throw away from the yuppified/ SJW/ counterculture areas (my city is pure SJW).

If civil conflict ignites, I'm not in an ideal place. Captain Capitalism advised people to get a handgun and decent amount of hard currency. To that I'll add a couple hundred servings of survival food. At least I have bars on my windows and doors.


Sorry, Al, you're screwed, survival rations and barred windows or no.

Blogger Robert Browning December 20, 2017 4:28 PM  

And remember white man this coming civil war has been planned for a hundred years and is intended to break your faith in Jesus Christ, and all things good and decent.

Anonymous Sam the Man December 20, 2017 4:30 PM  

You could avoid this by a few solutions:

1) make New York city, long island, and Winchester county a "Free city state" and allow the eastern folks that do not want to be part of a traditional American to migrate there.

You end up with New York state as conservative again, 12 to 14 million folks will end up as citizens of "free state" with a cosmopolitan character.

2) Encourage the illegals to migrate back to South America and Mexico, by payments if required, gradual other means as well. That will get rid of 12 million folks.

3) Free Puerto Rico. Encourage those that were citizens to migrate back. Make a payment to them for a decade if needed.

4) do the same Free city sate with Los Angles and some surrounding counties. Encourage the left to migrate there, let them control customs. 10 million leftist folks will be resolved there.

So you lose about 30 to 35 million of the left without any war, just some compulsion with financial incentives.

That leaves you with the 50 million blacks with bad attitude problem. You cannot get rid of them, we own that. You will have to reintroduce sever western civilization standards and beat them into submission, much like was done with the rather vile black generation that followed freedom in 1865. another 80 years might help them along the tree of civilization.

Blogger Johnny December 20, 2017 4:33 PM  



I find myself wondering what people mean by "hard currency." The way governments handle things these days is that massive bank failures are unlikely because governments find a way to bail them out. The big blowup is the declining value of the currency itself. Thus ten thousand under the bed isn't much better than then a ten thousand dollar bank account. Plus other currencies are not legal tender and are of limited use. While a certain amount of currency could be a good idea, consider mixing in something that everbody needs and can thus be bartar traded. Also by the way, the gov is apt to be notified if you withdraw a couple of thousand dollars from a bank all in one go. Do it a little at a time if you want to accumulate bills.

In our modern era the usual financial blowup starts with a declining faith in government issued debt. That pushes up interest rates, aggravating the situation, and things go into a downward spiral. As best I can recall it took Argentina around six months to go from the failure of the gov to make good in its debt to things getting really screwed up. What finally forced constructive action by the government was when things got crazy enough that people were being shot by those maintaining order. The body count triggered doing what needed to be done.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 4:38 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:That leaves you with the 50 million blacks with bad attitude problem. You cannot get rid of them, we own that. You will have to reintroduce sever western civilization standards and beat them into submission, much like was done with the rather vile black generation that followed freedom in 1865. another 80 years might help them along the tree of civilization.

The Hispanics are a bigger issue, they are decently smart and organized and many have little interest in being American.

If it goes to guns, its better to shoot first and wonder of it was the right thing to do later

I will feel sorry for the decent Black folks in Al's neighborhood or my neighbors for that matter but war is hell.

Blogger Smokey Dust December 20, 2017 4:41 PM  

@deporable me

Chickens over ducks. More eggs less mess. Leghorns for eggs, New Hampshire reds for meat. Their scat makes great fertilizer. You can build a coop out of pallets for cheap

Blogger Cloudbuster December 20, 2017 4:43 PM  

Bobiojimbo wrote:@Napoleon 12pdr

It has already seeped into the military as the Communist least point student scandal demonstrated. It's a question of how widespread it is.


NCO class is still solid. If officer class tries to side with leftists and to actually try to command troops to make war on fellow citizens over the objections of 1SGs and CSMs, it will probably go badly for the officers.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 20, 2017 4:53 PM  

@98 Johnny

Silver coins, mostly. Gold coins are too valuable to really work for exchange. Weirdly, even in collapse situations, paper USDs would still work. The issue is a "community agreed means of exchanging value". Currencies can be anything. Gold & Silver have been for all of recorded history, so they'll still work.


@94 Resident Moron™

Any of the major powers are capable of taking down the Power Grid of other ones. Why in God's name any part of critical infrastructure attaches to the Internet is beyond me, though they've been doing more air-gap stuff finally. Take out the Grid and you're back to 1910 living really fast. Northern states are more adapted to dealing with a Grid Down scenario for a week or two, but not much beyond that.

But in a "civil disturbance" situation, you can take out all of the other services really fast. Really, really fast. And if you have a city with a high minority population, the rioting & killing will start in 48 hours. Any post-1850 infrastructure always has a level of fragility to it, but an active & competent group can do magnitudes more damage than you realize, these days.

One thing of note, though. Aside from Blacks, be careful not to group the other racial minorities together. The Mexicans and Hondurans don't exactly get along. Same with the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans. In an Order Down scenario, deep-seated racial issues will crop up.

It also should be noted that a several week shut down of Gulf Coast shipping would cause a world-wide food crisis. What is it with Globalists and stupidly fragile systems.

Blogger YIH December 20, 2017 5:00 PM  

VFM #7916 wrote:So far dc and Snidely have the most useful comments here. Neighbors are the only ones you'll have around that will group together, and they'll only group together if you actually have made an effort to know them. You'll know the bad ones and the good ones, and the sorting will occur quickly on collapse if you're smart.

Charles Hugh Smith has some good thoughts on this matter, and points out the stupidity of the lone or small group prepper.

The Last Centurion is a decent read, as is Victoria. Some of the Victoria chapters still give me nightmares because I could see them happening so easily.

Also, on the Washington thing, everyone from Eastern Washington through Montana should pray that the collapse happens in winter after the passes are shut due to snow. A couple blockages on 84 would help to keep the Portlanders in the hell of their own making too.

Here's the Charles Hugh Smith post you were referring to.
If things went to hell in a handbasket he'd be in deep trouble - he has homes in San Fran and Hawaii. As long as he avoids Oakland he at least has a chance to flee SF. Hawaii, nowhere to run to, and the State would likely be left to fend for itself.

Blogger Sam Lively December 20, 2017 5:01 PM  

There's still too much to lose for people to resort to hot warfare. The SJWs certainly aren't going to start one - behind that rage is a lot of comfort. And none of the right-leaning soldiers and cops are going to start an insurrection over cultural issues. Not when the government can still pay them.

For an actual war to break out, I think a massive financial collapse is a necessary precursor. Something that forces Bluetopia to place brutal financial burdens on Red State Americans and jeopardizes the government's ability to afford entitlements for everybody and maintain the armed forces at the same time.

As long as the economy is functioning, though, who is going to start a war? In the modern era, the disaffected white man prefers to medicate himself to death via opioids, entertain himself to torpor, or retreat to smaller and smaller comfy niches. The disaffected black man prefers to kill other black men. There are barely any disaffected Asians and Latinos. The Muslims would probably be game but we don't have many of them.

Blogger Lazy Hero December 20, 2017 5:04 PM  

The best part about a second American Civil War will be the Right killing niggers and the left leaving them to their own devices (in their ghettos) to die. It will be a great purge of them. Ironic isn't it, when you consider what the left teaches the first Civil War was about.

Anonymous Ages December 20, 2017 5:07 PM  

@Al
In civil war 2, your skin will be your uniform. You need to get out of hostile territory.

Anonymous VFM #7916 December 20, 2017 5:09 PM  

@103 I was actually thinking of his book Survival+

Blogger DonReynolds December 20, 2017 5:09 PM  

"To begin with, it would not look like the first American Civil War, which was essentially a war between two regions of the country with different economic interests. The divide created two separate countries, both initially contiguous, intact, and relatively homogeneous."

False to say it would not be similar in many ways to 1860. He seems to wildly exaggerate the "unity" of the last civil war. There was considerable disunity on BOTH sides of the war. Remember.... brother against brother? Father against son? No different from today. The secession vote was not 100 percent in any Confederate state. Tennessee voted twice....the first time secession was rejected by the voters. During the war, more Tennesseans volunteered for the Union side than they did the Confederate side. There was no more homogeneity during the last civil war and there will none this next time. Copperhead Democrats in the Union states? Absolutely.

" The lines of demarcation now are only somewhat regional, and tend to correspond to differences between urban and rural populations, as well as differences of race and class."

Somewhat regional? Horse pucky!
Look at every single presidential election since Clinton left the White House and say that with a straight face.
The regions are fairly well defined, even more so than during the last civil war. Hint....it was not the Mason-Dixon line last time and it won't be this time. Obama carried the exact same states in 2008 as he did in 2012...except Indiana and North Carolina. No Bubba, the regions are pretty well defined, not only at the Federal level but also the state and local level, and the bad news is....you get to keep Bernie Sanders, and Governor Jerry Brown, and Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer. We can work out a prisoner exchange, once the dust settles.

"The withdrawal of American forces from bases across the world to fight at home would also create a power vacuum that others, even under economic strain, would be tempted to exploit. Whichever side gained control of our nuclear arsenal, our status as a nuclear power would probably persuade other nations not to interfere in our conflict militarily, but the collapse of trade alone would produce crippling effects that would be hard to overestimate."

PLEASE Read More History!
Trade does not collapse during wartime, not even during civil wars. It vastly expands. Control of the nukes will be no more significant than control of the regular military, which was a non-factor during the last civil war. Mostly, they were sent out West to deal with hostile Indians. This time will be little different. (Excuse me....when the Soviet Union collapsed, it did not fire off all the nukes, nor was it invaded by anyone, nor did it cause a world war or a global depression or a collapse of trade.)

The article would have you believe that civil wars (or any war) is entirely voluntary and we can all just decide to skip it, stay home on the couch, and watch it all on CNN. Only a few will imagine having any such choice. For very many people there will be no choice. It will happen and everyone will participate, whether they like it or not. Best of luck, to all my friends.

Anonymous Ages December 20, 2017 5:11 PM  

@Doug Cranmer
Interesting. I could see settlers move into Canada and then secede like the Texians in 1836.

Anonymous BBGKB December 20, 2017 5:13 PM  

Civil War II one side has 9 trillion bullets the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.

Those who owe money will find their debts are fixed but their incomes are in collapse.

What if those with $500k debt for liberal arts pay it off with a couple of $100k coins?

JK I know getting rid of debt and getting physical assets in the thing to do.

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 20, 2017 5:13 PM  

James Dixon wrote:

I'm very much afraid you are correct. But this is why I support Calexit. It's the only peaceful way forward. Let those who want leftism leave and have a place to go. If CA and NY left and took a significant percentage of the leftist population with them, there would be hope for the rest of the country.


The American left is not going to agree to California and/or NY leaving the union, since it would mean a sharp rightward shift on average in the remaining states. There's no doubt in my mind they would view a civil war as a preferable alternative.

Blogger Johnny December 20, 2017 5:16 PM  

Deplorable me wrote:Just moved onto 20 acres. Need to install a backup system for the electric well pump; also looking at greenhouses due to the short growing season. Livestock (except swine) is allowed, so I'll be looking into chicken/ducks (not sure if I'd be able to handle killing sheep/cattle, but chickens are stupid). Have just started to introduce myself to neighbors -- a few have ham antennas.

You will have get advice or read up about chickens to get it right. At the least you will need a coop, and find out who sells already started chicks in the spring. The local feed mill is a place to start looking. The older they are the better. Unless you have really good conditions you won't benefit from the highbred animals. Think purebred or 'colored breed' chickens. They are less fussy.

Ducks are neat but they eat like crazy, grow slow, and lay few eggs. Plus they are mean to each other. Geese are reasonably easy to raise, leave big juicy poops (loose as a goose), and on our farm ate up the wiring under one of our trucks.

To bad you can't have pigs. They fit in well with small scale.

Lots of home raised animals are not killed by the owner. Maybe somebody in your area does chicken butchering. Find that person and discuss what they charge. Almost all pigs and beef are sent off to a local butcher who has a killing floor. That will require a trailer or hiring a trucker.

Anonymous Ages December 20, 2017 5:18 PM  

I’m not completely convinced martial law is possible in such a large place as the US. It depends how compliant the population is. Best they can do is contain regions hostile to whatever government results from it all.

Blogger James December 20, 2017 5:25 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@26 No, Matt, you're right. People in extreme hardship will seek strength in numbers. They'll be thinking, "Is this person who wants to join us value-added?"

People who have histories of gambling, drug and alcohol addition, screwed-up social relationships, guys and gals who lie, cheat on their spouses, steal, etc....

Yeah. NOT going to be welcome.

FTR, people in that list won't last long under difficult conditions. Are you one of them?


I think your first paragraph is more correct. People will be looking for "value-added" people. If you have guns and ammo, gold and silver, food and water, gasoline, tools, useful skills, most groups are pragmatic enough to overlook certain peccadilloes. Of course, there are different types of group. Some will be the "purists" types. "Sorry, we don't take Roman Catholics". Or Mormons. Or whatever. But, those that have thought about the possibility of an apocalypse will realize that what happened before has changed. If someone could be useful, but they had been a lawyer or a banker, they can repent. Just keep your eyes on them. And count the silverware.

Anonymous DolphLundgrenDouble December 20, 2017 5:28 PM  

I'm a modest prepper yet likely toast from the get-go.

I'm armed, well-equipped against conventional threats, supplied with persistent stores, and located near a major fresh water source. I have constructed a thickly-armored safe space, and I own radio gear and power generation.

The root of my mortal problem is I live adjacent the core business district within the whitest Chicago neighborhood. We are literally surrounded by folks who hate us to death and increasingly they've been unequivocally expressing and amplifying their hatred. Verbal and physical attacks are on the rise without question.

But I ain't movin', this has been my home for twenty years.

Blogger Johnny December 20, 2017 5:33 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:Gold & Silver have been for all of recorded history, so they'll still work.

Could be.

The way it played out in Germany after WWI was that bartar trading was the big deal and heat and food the hotest items. Nothing better than a bin full of coal or wood, or a food producing on small scale farms.

Because we are so industrial I think any breakdown in the economy would be a disaster. Nothing to fall back on for most people and a huge body count.

Anonymous Ages December 20, 2017 5:35 PM  

And a word to preppers: you had better have a super secure bunker or a way to defend yourself, and keep your mouth shut about it. When a few dozen starving zombies remember that you have food, they will risk everything to get it.

Blogger DonReynolds December 20, 2017 5:44 PM  

Deplorable me wrote:Just moved onto 20 acres. Need to install a backup system for the electric well pump; also looking at greenhouses due to the short growing season. Livestock (except swine) is allowed, so I'll be looking into chicken/ducks (not sure if I'd be able to handle killing sheep/cattle, but chickens are stupid). Have just started to introduce myself to neighbors -- a few have ham antennas.

One of the problems with meat animals is processing and storing the meat once the animal is butchered. Not many people have the ability to store 500-800 pounds of beef. Chickens are a good choice. I would add rabbits rather than ducks. A family can eat even a big rabbit in a single meal. With hogs and sheep, you would have the same problem as with beef.

With 20 acres, it should not be too exciting to dig up and embanks an acre or two for keeping catfish. If you are anywhere warm, they will eat nearly all year. In colder climates, you may want to consider some other fish instead.

Having a big body of fresh water....a couple of acres could be around 5 million gallons. It would open up some opportunities for geothermal sources, which would dovetail very well with the greenhouses. With pumps you could irrigate the rest of the acreage... always a possibility.

Being able to process that water into potable/clean water would make it possible for you to live there indefinitely. Anything can dry up, including wells, but at least it is surface water and easier to clean.

Anonymous map December 20, 2017 5:44 PM  

Orc_Democracy wrote:Americans don't have enough babies and no civil war has been fought by an infertile nation. What are you fighting for? Lebensraum to not have kids and play Xbox in?

You are figting to keep the Left from turning you into a slave.

Anonymous roo_ster December 20, 2017 5:52 PM  

dc.sunsets is proof you are wrong. How wtong is tbd.

Blogger Johnny December 20, 2017 5:53 PM  

@115
"We are literally surrounded by folks who hate us to death and increasingly they've been unequivocally expressing and amplifying their hatred."

What I think is highly predictable is that stage one among the "folks" will be looting. On a transitory basis that will eliminate the local food supply. After that how long will it take for the gov to do anything? And even if the government is quicker than usual, would it even be possible to provide emergency food aid to an armed and lawless population?

I can't remember this stuff, but when they had the New York City power failure I think looting started the first evening. And when they had the Patty Hearst kidnapping giveaway, I think they already had issues with violence in the waiting lines.

Anonymous BBGKB December 20, 2017 5:54 PM  

The Hillary Archipelago is a tiny amount of the US landmass, but it's the most venerable.

The prepper industry is mostly a scam anyhow.

Freeze dried foods have no fat and have vegetable proteins. A couple of 5 gallon buckets(rice/beans) that have had the oxygen driven out of them with dry ice or nitrogen would go a long way in a Venezuela situation. Vit D will be a long term problem for those that don't know mushrooms. Fruit/nut trees under swales go a long way.

Does anyone else agree that a graphic novel about a second civil war would be riveting?

You mean like Victoria? Victoria: A Novel of Fourth-Generation War is a novel of the collapse and breakup of the United States, and the subsequent rebuilding of a traditionalist "retroculture" society. The book, authored by military theorist and commentator William Lind

How would the internet be affected? realistically."

Buy the archives from Survivalblog, a laptop, and a backpack solar charger if you want to have something worth reading post SHTF.

Even in the harshest conditions, the typical white American male lacks the cruelty to murder the openly submissive.

Bitch please any moslem kids I find will wish they were in Kevin Spacey's basement, nits make lice.

I would be amazed if the population didn't drop by at least a third, probably closer to half.

More like 80% die off.

You are thinking of the wrong civil war.
"a contemporary observer estimated between a 1/3 to 1/2 dieoff of "freed" slaves after the Civil War? It was suppressed because 350,000 Northernern soldiers had just died to free them, and still isn't talked about because it embarrasses the heck out of racial equalitarianism. Apparently the theory was that the slaves would freely contract to do the work they previously did as slaves. Turns out they lacked the conscientiousness to reliably contract their labor without the benefit of coercion, so they starved."

Gold & Silver have been for all of recorded history, so they'll still work.

Rangar's guide to the underground economy.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer December 20, 2017 5:55 PM  

Silly but True wrote:That won't be the end of it; Cali won't have enough water, so SJSA will be bitching at USA that the Colorado River Compact needs to be renotiated or it builds a superhighway directly from its southern border with Mexico to its northern and easter borders with USA.

There will be conflict, but it's not going to be that easy for the Californians. They would need competent people to build those highways which they will have very few of those types. The rest of the US would also have to lay down and just allow people to cross the boarder. That wouldn't happen either. The difference from the Mexico-America border now is that the Californians are US citizens willing to whine about it. They won't be at that time.

The other difference would be the Californians would be even bigger pricks and smug bastards about making demands on the US than Mexico is. They will have trouble drumming up sympathy.

Blogger Thucydides December 20, 2017 6:00 PM  

Many people have pointed out the vulnerability of cities, but looking at the overall map of the United States, especially the electoral map by county, the overall appearance of the next civil war will be an "island hopping" campaign.

Cities will be cut off from power, water and transportation, and likely ringed by armed militias determined to prevent armies of looters from sweeping the countryside. The real nexus of the struggle won't be taking Chicago or LE, but securing the "Blue" counties along the Mexican and Canadian borders, and naval action off the US coasts to prevent foreign powers from landing agents or weapons to assist their Globalist allies. Blue cities and counties in the interior will simply be left to wither on the vine. The multi-party battles inside the cities for the remaining resources will pit gangs against each other based on racial, religious and other "identity" divisions. Feminists will be lucky if they are simply swept up by the winning side as sex slaves, and I imagine the LBGTQ contingent may either be used as slave labour or cannon fodder by most of the gangs, unless the Islamists happen to become ascendant in the area.

There are a few areas, lie upstate New York, where the situation will be in reverse (they are surrounded by a largely "blue" population, but the overall outline of the war is very clear in my mind.

Blogger Johnny December 20, 2017 6:05 PM  

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Blogger Johnny December 20, 2017 6:09 PM  

"Even in the harshest conditions, the typical white American male lacks the cruelty to murder the openly submissive."

In the mob your first kill is called "making your bones." After that it only gets easier. The reluctance would be only at first. Provided they live through the initial violence, murder will become easy.

Blogger weka December 20, 2017 6:18 PM  

There are marine bases there. You could have the US military splitting along service lines.

Which is worrying. There are still good people in the socialist republic of California.

Blogger weka December 20, 2017 6:22 PM  

If you are black move to the American reboubt now and get known. As they will shoot immigrants when the schmeir happens.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 6:22 PM  

Orc_Democracy wrote:Americans don't have enough babies and no civil war has been fought by an infertile nation. What are you fighting for? Lebensraum to not have kids and play Xbox in?

Population decline is not harmful in a homogeneous moral nation. Just having "our" nation is enough

Also the US TFR isn't that low, 1.8 is fine and sustainable for many many decades

Anonymous BBGKB December 20, 2017 6:23 PM  

"Fred2 @AnonymousFred514 -People don't "just starve", there's that intermediate stage when they go berserk and desperate for food. Did they not go through that?"

The thing is people can get sick on bad water. Even George Washington did, but Hept A in many US cities now from street shitters.

I think the golden horde will stay in the cities until it has consumed bad food/water. General Cholera reporting for duty.

Blogger Elder Son December 20, 2017 6:24 PM  

Does anyone else agree that a graphic novel about a second civil war would be riveting?

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Anonymous roo_ster December 20, 2017 6:25 PM  

1. Expect mass immigration of scots-irish from blue areas to israel.

2. Dont forget goats as livestock. Pretty hardy, with milk, meat, and hybrid varieties.

Blogger DonReynolds December 20, 2017 6:26 PM  

@124 Thucydides
You understand the situation well.
ALL of the major cities are untenable.
ALL of them.
None of them have their own water, electric, motor fuel, natural gas, or food supply. Shut those items completely off and they will be ghost towns in a very few days.
It only depends on the weather and the season.
Ringed by hostile militia, 90 percent of the population would be gone in less than a week.
Hopefully, the militia will allow very few to escape the cities and they certainly should not accept their surrender. Just wait it out for a few days.
There will be no major battles to "retake" Chicago or Dallas or New Orleans or Philadelphia from the Leftists.

Blogger Stephen December 20, 2017 6:30 PM  

Joe Prep wrote:Bring it on. I have water, ammo, and 500 lbs. of ground beef buried in my backyard.

How is this beef preserved?

Blogger Elder Son December 20, 2017 6:31 PM  

BTW, MVT, Mountain Guerrilla, along with Mason Dixon Tactical - https://masondixontactical.wordpress.com/ - offer extensive in the field hands-on survival/combat courses, and will come to you and your people.

Blogger James December 20, 2017 6:32 PM  

weka wrote:If you are black move to the American reboubt now and get known. As they will shoot immigrants when the schmeir happens.

Is this your grand plan to make sure that as many blacks are killed as possible?

Anonymous FP December 20, 2017 6:35 PM  

It looks like Rosie Odonnel is ready for war... she's on twitter offering to bribe GOPe whores to her side.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-20/rosie-odonnell-offers-gop-senators-2-million-vote-against-tax-bill-faces-backlash

Blogger Elder Son December 20, 2017 6:40 PM  

Re: Militia. Stay away from any moolisha. The vast majority of them are filled with nothing more than self-proclaimed kommandos. Go to the links provided above and get you and your people trained.

Blogger bw December 20, 2017 6:42 PM  

The goal to have citizens destroy themselves but not resources

aka Agenda 21 / 2030

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 20, 2017 6:45 PM  

Ages wrote:@Al

In civil war 2, your skin will be your uniform. You need to get out of hostile territory.

That's why Al lives in a Black neighborhood.

Blogger JohnofAustria December 20, 2017 6:46 PM  

We have been in one for some time. The government has been largely captured by people who do not have our nation's interests at heart and have sought to destroy the white Christian Foundation of our country.

If war is politics by other means then so too is politics War by other means. The Mercantile interests of the British used opium to destroy China and that was certainly no more moral than a war of gunpowder and bayonets

Blogger Gospace December 20, 2017 6:49 PM  

I remember a few years ago NJ suffered a budget shortfall when a grand total of one taxpayer moved out of the state. Unexpectedly.

Anonymous Michigan Boy December 20, 2017 6:50 PM  

Civil War? Not gonna happen. The issues have been decided.

Over what? 2nd Amendment? LOL

Immigration? Sh*t....Obama kicked out more people than Trump ever will and the left remains in place without any talk of war.

What is black lives matter gonna do? Start a war over white privilege?

The Right? What....What are they gonna do? Start a war over an increase in taxes? Over designing a public healthcare system?

If the issue isn't in place now, it aint gonna happen. And there's no issue that divides enough Americans to go to war with each other.

Now, if you want to get scared, then imagine the coming recession of Late 2018. If it's severe, the Right can expect to be so outnumbered that they'll consider going into hiding, particularly after Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, Oklahoma and Nebraska go blue. The drive to pass progressive legislation will be so thorough that it's gonna look like 1933!

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 6:56 PM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:James Dixon wrote:

I'm very much afraid you are correct. But this is why I support Calexit. It's the only peaceful way forward. Let those who want leftism leave and have a place to go. If CA and NY left and took a significant percentage of the leftist population with them, there would be hope for the rest of the country.


The American left is not going to agree to California and/or NY leaving the union, since it would mean a sharp rightward shift on average in the remaining states. There's no doubt in my mind they would view a civil war as a preferable alternative.


California is going to be bloodbath #1

There were 5 million votes for Trump, Gary Johnson and McMullin and a lot of people who simply didn't vote but are patriots

This compares to the 8 million Clinton Voters and who knows how many non Americans

More than half opposed Clinton and I didn't include Bernie write ins or Jill Stein either.

Where I live AR15 stickers, POW/MIA flags and the like abound. No way in hell in ACW 2 would we stay with the pinkos.

Also California is too valuable to turn over to the Communists , The Chinese Satrap or anyone else just to avoid inevitable bloodshed

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2017 7:01 PM  

Johnny wrote:Ducks are neat but they eat like crazy, grow slow, and lay few eggs. Plus they are mean to each other.

You have had the wrong ducks. Khaki Campbells have laid an egg a day or occasionally better for me, don't seem to eat more than laying chickens, don't peck eggs, are less cannibalistic than chickens and are at least as hardy as chickens.

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 7:01 PM  

It may not be possible. There may be specific areas where it is, but the sheer size of the country makes controlling it difficult. If people in Colorado don't truly want to be controlled, it will be a pain to try to control them from D.C., regardless of the system.

Scary, scary times, indeed.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 20, 2017 7:02 PM  

Yes

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 7:07 PM  

Very well put. I feel bad for decent black men. They still exist but are only referenced when a black leftist is trying to deflect from the great mass of purposeless blacks. Any other time, the great majority of blacks utterly despise the few competent ones among them.
The fake Americans going back voluntarily will be a blessing!

Blogger Elder Son December 20, 2017 7:07 PM  

California is going to be bloodbath #1 if it exits.

Yep.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 20, 2017 7:20 PM  

Michigan Boy wrote:If the issue isn't in place now, it aint gonna happen. And there's no issue that divides enough Americans to go to war with each other.


Issues? It's not going to be about issues. it's going to be about killing that smug look off your stupid face, pig.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2017 7:20 PM  

> The American left is not going to agree to California and/or NY leaving the union, since it would mean a sharp rightward shift on average in the remaining states.

The left is heavily divided on the issue. The Donkey establishment wants to stay and fight to control things. The moonbat left wants to call it quits and get the hell out. We have no way of knowing who will win the debate.

Anonymous The Observer December 20, 2017 7:33 PM  

You mean like Victoria? Victoria: A Novel of Fourth-Generation War is a novel of the collapse and breakup of the United States, and the subsequent rebuilding of a traditionalist "retroculture" society.

I personally find Victoria a tad on the overly optimistic side. Assuming democracy is kept on any kind of large scale after a collapse, let alone female suffrage, as well as the continued existence of crazies as well as the theoretical feminist state were too fantastical for me. Then there's the continual focus on the "good" blacks as opposed to the utter bloodbath one is expecting.

The scenario Lind posits was essentially going back to the middle of the movie and hoping it plays out differently this time.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) December 20, 2017 7:43 PM  

10. Al From Bay Shore December 20, 2017 12:43 PM
If civil conflict ignites, I'm not in an ideal place.



and you stay there because ... ?

i've seen black people living out in bumfock nowhere like Elgin, OR. mixed race kids, everybody seemed to be getting along.

or there are rural black communities outside places like Xenia, OH.

Blogger Duh-ave December 20, 2017 7:52 PM  

Preserve your meat for years by canning. A pressure cooker is required and you will want a large one. Only a pressure cooker will get the meat hot enough to be safe. No refrigeration needed until opened.

Blogger James December 20, 2017 7:54 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> The American left is not going to agree to California and/or NY leaving the union, since it would mean a sharp rightward shift on average in the remaining states.

The left is heavily divided on the issue. The Donkey establishment wants to stay and fight to control things. The moonbat left wants to call it quits and get the hell out. We have no way of knowing who will win the debate.


Oh, I think we do. Who has the money? That's who always wins.

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 7:58 PM  

E.M. Cadwaladr at the article wrote:
"I'll take a Texan and a Tar Heel against a metrosexual and a social justice warrior any day -- while admitting that the latter might conduct a far more colorful parade."

EASILY fixed!! We'll reinstitute the old (Roman, was it?) triumphal parade of the captured and defeated... let them 'parade' down Main Streets in chains and their pretty colored garb! Pretty colors AND a celebration.

Blogger Reed Schrichte December 20, 2017 8:00 PM  

"I can pay half of the working class to kill the other half"
statement attributed to Jay Gould, Gilded Age railroad magnate.

Of course the point is to redirect the anger of the extracted and dispossessed American Middle Class onto the Lower Class, Intellectuals, and Social Fringe Groups instead of their true nemesis. Who is that? Just follow the money trail. And response to that question that does not follow the money trail is a lie.

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 8:02 PM  

@19 "welcome the "Open Season" signal for hunting those who are hell-bent on selling self-destructive life choices (add hedonism, both hetero and homo, to drug abuse, alcoholism or inveterate gambling as means to ruin your life) to children and teens."

Duterte has shown us the way...

Blogger Doug Cranmer December 20, 2017 8:02 PM  

I expect you to come.
It's not like it would be a bad thing.
But expect our government to focus on the non-white and non-Western descended refugees. Trump types may be actively discriminated against. They can't help themselves. Good luck with that if you guys are determined.

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2017 8:08 PM  

> Oh, I think we do. Who has the money? That's who always wins.

Who spent more money, Hillary or Trump? Money plays a big role in politics, but it's not everything.

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 8:18 PM  

@23 "Y'all just gonna head North, aren't ya.
There's a whole lot of land up here in Canada. "

Aw hell-no! Spend a couple hours researching the ACTUAL: climate change that started up (Well, started DOWN) in 2014 -- and y'all will be moving down here for warmth! (And the timing is ... disturbing. Vox says the break-up of the U.S. will be around 2030 -- and SO do the real scientists doing real science say the nadir of the next ICE AGE will be! (They're saying Chicago-like weather down in Atlanta!)

Pop views:
Here's Stefan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDErDwXqhc

Mark Steyn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wQp0Ir5Vc

Crowder interviews Dr. Patrick Moore, PHD in Ecology and founder of Greenpeace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDK1aCqqZkQ


Check out some deeper stuff if you're interested:
John Casey; Oppenheimer Ranch Project; Dr. Judith Curry; Professor Willie Soon; Paleoclimatologist Bob Carter...

Anonymous Anonymous December 20, 2017 8:44 PM  

I may have said this before, but if this goes down, gonna be skin color involved in a big way.

-Ted

Blogger Gloriam Deo December 20, 2017 8:45 PM  

BBGKB wrote:Even in the harshest conditions, the typical white American male lacks the cruelty to murder the openly submissive.

Gen. Zyklon was raised on liveleak. I suspect we will be less than moved by croc tears.

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 8:48 PM  

He's a very deep thinker, so this isn't an attack by any means, but his standards are very high. I live in a rural village in Southern IL, and we would have to exclude a huge majority of the population by those stringent standards.
I think most men cheat at some point, though those studies could be very flawed. Of course, I grew up raised by a serial adulterer, so it's been years unlearning dysfunction, and my view is not objective. Also there are a ton of veterans here hooked on
something. I know several. Mostly alcoholics. But they provide value to the community on various ways. Of course, 99% of people lie at some point.

Then again, I may be misinterpreting what he's saying. His stuff on the economy is pretty damn informative, so I doubt that that's really the most accurate interpretation. I agree that very sorry people, deadbeats, destroyers, etc. will be in a bad way, if that's the meaning.

I suppose should ask him. These aspy traits are making it harder for me to talk to people online even, lol.

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 8:50 PM  

Dolph Lundgren could be great in a movie about that. I'd pay to see it definitely.

Though in real life, I fear for guys in your situation, though it seems like you will be ready when things jump off.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2017 8:54 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:I expect you to come.

It's not like it would be a bad thing.

But expect our government to focus on the non-white and non-Western descended refugees. Trump types may be actively discriminated against. They can't help themselves. Good luck with that if you guys are determined.


If a significant number of Americans decided to settle in Canada, I don't think that the government of Canada would really matter. How many Canadians are there, total? In most states, Canada's entire population would be a Census rounding error.

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 9:10 PM  

Lol.
I could be very wrong about our character there. I'm just going off of our behavior during warfare. Even when they do brutal things, American soldiers have tended to be less brutal than from many other countries, or it seems that way to me.

Blogger WynnLloyd December 20, 2017 9:12 PM  

Damn I just read your statement on freed slaves dying off. Talk about an historical cover up.

Anonymous Ages December 20, 2017 9:31 PM  

Aw hell-no! Spend a couple hours researching the ACTUAL: climate change that started up (Well, started DOWN) in 2014 -- and y'all will be moving down here for warmth!

The white race was created by such ice age climates. We should embrace it as a chance to strengthen our race and cut out the dead weight.

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Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 9:34 PM  

@90 "so I'll be looking into chicken/ducks "

Look into rabbits too. EASY to raise (and have reproduce) and make a really nice stew! Plus a basket or two of skins sewn together makes a nice quilt!

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 9:35 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I should add, race won't be the only score being settled. I for one would welcome the "Open Season" signal for hunting those who are hell-bent on selling self-destructive life choices (add hedonism, both hetero and homo, to drug abuse, alcoholism or inveterate gambling as means to ruin your life) to children and teens.

Misery loves company, and with the homophilia lobby showing up in schools (and after-school specials) it's high time to remind people that messing with our kids is a capital crime.


Its going to be nowhere near that easy. You'll be quite lucky if you can keep all or most of your family alive and healthy.

If such a war happens its going to be a very unusual one since all sides will be heavily armed , willing to destroy infrastructure as needed , utterly brutal if called for and while there are Left/Right skills and attitude gaps these things change fast. As history has shown Communists make effective killers as well.

Basically its Rwanda x Bosnia if it drags on long enough for a serious atrocity/reprisal spiral licks off

Now the city Left can't win such a war period since they are vulnerable and can't make people farm in scale but the country Right can't win either as they can't control enough turf and are outnumbered and out organized. The Left will probably also get more outside aid as well

It will not be a cakewalk and in the end, either separation or both exhausted sides will come to a truce. There won't be a clear winner



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Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 9:43 PM  

@97 "another 80 years might help them along the tree of civilization."

When 200+ years living in White AMERICA including schooling and 'civil behavior' that was forced on them has not made an iota of difference? The "civilized" black communities of the 1920-30s only existed because if any of them stepped out of line there was harsh punishment!! FORCING them to live like White folks kept them semi-civilized -- well, no, actually it kept them pretty damned civilized-ACTING! But only AS LONG AS the threat was there. As soon as they were released from "act White or die!" -- they went straight to third world violent hell. Why do you think it will be even slightly different this time?

Anonymous Kennymac December 20, 2017 9:45 PM  

@146 Me too.

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 9:46 PM  

@102 "What is it with Globalists and stupidly fragile systems."

THEIR systems are not fragile -- only the ones they let US have!

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Anonymous Sam the Man December 20, 2017 10:01 PM  

Avalance,

What other choice do we have?

realistically it is that or:

1) massive deportations (not going to happen, no nation needs more people)

2) Some kind of forced movement of people in US to localize them (not going to happen unconstitutional)

3) Holocaust type event (not going to happen as long as the nation has any kind of Christian worldview)

So you are left with harsh justice and not putting up with the current BLM/NFL thug behavior. That is your choice.

Look plenty of Black people are decent and live good lives, it is just we have a vast underclass of young men that are uncivilized and the women rationalize this. Once tolerance of that is removed, they will have to fall in line. Perhaps deport to Angola (for life) all criminal elements, once convicted, you could do that to put the fear into these not so well behaved populations.

I consider Germans and Scandinavians to be civilized. The Germans were barbarians in 400 to 800 AD and the Swedes/Norwegians until sometime in the 1200s to 1400s. 200 years of harsh justice might do the trick. besides you have no other reasonable alternative.

Anonymous Sunnybutt December 20, 2017 10:19 PM  

Chesterton once said "A good war is better than a bad peace."

Blogger DonReynolds December 20, 2017 10:19 PM  

@169 AB.Prosper
"It will not be a cakewalk and in the end, either separation or both exhausted sides will come to a truce. There won't be a clear winner"

I agree there will be no clear winners and it will not be a cakewalk for either side. Separation is the outcome. The only question is .....how much blood before both sides accept separation?
That is the only way it can end. We can have a ten year civil war and it will end the same way. My guess is that nobody wants to avoid this fight, even though they could by partition from the beginning. Too many want to do this.

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 10:24 PM  

@115 "Verbal and physical attacks are on the rise without question.
But I ain't movin', this has been my home for twenty years."

requiescat in pace

Blogger Silly but True December 20, 2017 10:28 PM  

@basementhomebrewer:
Fair point. I would also expect the new border states to be reinvigorated about its proactive border control.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2017 10:30 PM  

"It will not be a cakewalk and in the end, either separation or both exhausted sides will come to a truce. There won't be a clear winner"

See, that's where you're wrong. No truce is possible, because the lefties/commies are consummate parasite/cannibals. They'll either be effectively exterminated (with a contingent trying to switch sides early, less switching possible/allowed later on) or as others have said, 80%+ of everybody is going to die.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2017 10:41 PM  

"1) massive deportations (not going to happen, no nation needs more people)

2) Some kind of forced movement of people in US to localize them (not going to happen unconstitutional)

3) Holocaust type event (not going to happen as long as the nation has any kind of Christian worldview)"


Fail on all counts.

1): Not only WILL it happen, it's already beginning. The problem is that it won't be enough.

2): No one gives a flying f*** about the constitution even today, let alone in those situations. It's not only going to happen, it's absolutely inevitable that it will happen, just as it does at all levels of society and history.

3): Also probably going to happen, though it will likely encompass more than just the "jews". Actual Christian worldview not only does nothing to prevent this, but actually actively encourages it in certain situations, several of which are not particularly improbable. Evil must be forced into submission to good, and evil populations (don't bother projecting some imbecilic conception of what those are) who refuse to submit will, must, and shall be annihilated -- generally with their own assistance in doing so.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 10:47 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"It will not be a cakewalk and in the end, either separation or both exhausted sides will come to a truce. There won't be a clear winner"

See, that's where you're wrong. No truce is possible, because the lefties/commies are consummate parasite/cannibals. They'll either be effectively exterminated (with a contingent trying to switch sides early, less switching possible/allowed later on) or as others have said, 80%+ of everybody is going to die.


Yes a truce is perfectly possible. You can agree to economic, political and social boundaries that are written into the new Constitution. The Left won't keep its end of the bargain, they never do but that is to be expected and I suspect if the Right is pushed into an unfavorable bargain, they won't either

Both sides can however avoid a mass culling. The thing is if they don't and unless the winning side had control of nukes, learn Mandarin

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 11:06 PM  

@165 "Damn I just read your statement on freed slaves dying off. Talk about an historical cover up."

I asked my Southern historian friend if it's true:
"No. It's neo-confederate garbage."

Anonymous Laz December 20, 2017 11:06 PM  

"Ring the urban areas with militia..."


I call BS. DFW urban area is approx 1400 square miles with the suburbs extending out 70 miles in some places.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 11:17 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@165 "Damn I just read your statement on freed slaves dying off. Talk about an historical cover up."

I asked my Southern historian friend if it's true:

"No. It's neo-confederate garbage."


Its a debated topic

From the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/16/slavery-starvation-civil-war


The analysis, by historian Jim Downs of Connecticut College, casts a shadow over one of the most celebrated narratives of American history, which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains.

But, as Downs shows in his book, Sick From Freedom, the reality of emancipation during the chaos of war and its bloody aftermath often fell brutally short of that positive image. Instead, freed slaves were often neglected by union soldiers or faced rampant disease, including horrific outbreaks of smallpox and cholera. Many of them simply starved to death.

After combing through obscure records, newspapers and journals Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870. He writes in the book that it can be considered "the largest biological crisis of the 19th century" and yet it is one that has been little investigated by contemporary historians.

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 11:20 PM  

@176 "1) massive deportations (not going to happen, no nation needs more people)"

I wasn't planning on ASKING.

"Look plenty of Black people are decent and live good lives,"

Yeah, yeah, "IKAGO" = "I know a good one." (And we ALL know "goods ones" -- and it makes not a bit of difference!) A wise fellow wrote on a blog:
====================
I don't mourn the loss of Baltimore. Or Detroit, Chicago, Gary, Atlanta, etc. etc. etc.

It is ultimately a huge benefit to have Negroes concentrated in these huge teeming Petri dishes.

As always I advocate the complete White withdrawal from these horrible urban shitholes, and as always I advocate that since Negroes do not want to be policed, to immediately stop policing them.

And to anyone who might be naive enough to say "hey, there are good people in those neighborhoods, who try to work and raise their kids, who obey the law and who abhor the lawlessness and rioting as much as anyone".... my response is that these same IKAGO's voted for a Negro president, for Negro mayors, Negro city council members, Negro police chiefs and Negro school superintendents, and now they are getting exactly what they deserve, good and effing hard.

I have ZERO sympathy for blacks.
====================


"it is just we have a vast underclass of young men that are uncivilized and the women rationalize this."

Have you not been watching the universities and the media? Those are NOT 'underclass' and they HATE Whites with all the fury of the underclass.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot December 20, 2017 11:27 PM  

Can't go wrong buying that Jennings & Rall stock early ...

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 20, 2017 11:29 PM  

Laz wrote:"Ring the urban areas with militia..."

I call BS. DFW urban area is approx 1400 square miles with the suburbs extending out 70 miles in some places.


Yeah, its a nonsensical idea. There are not enough willing militia to occupy a single large city and absolutely no way to conscript reliable forces or for the "rebel alliance" to even pay them, equip them, feed them or to deal with prisoners for that matter

Either the cities are starved out by government or rebel policy or they are controlled by whatever gang is strong enough to do that . Bloods, Crips, MS13 , La eMe , The Mafiya or Mafia whoever can manage supplies

Your militia also cannot stop mass movements of people. no way can they stop say a million people on foot or vehicle , a modest fraction of the population of say L.A (less than 10%) all of whom are also armed with light weapons.

Unless you have an air force or many many tanks, no can do.

The only reason we don't have more chaos is the government is perceived to have enough control to not make it worth while and to step on enough people to stop it.

Otherwise no

Basic layout

Collapse leads to Chaos leads to Mass Death and Mass Migration and More Mass Death than
Survivors take over, the new rulers being militias, crime syndicates , ex cops, ex military or some mix of both

Its not going to be brave militia restoring the Republic and Modern cities belong to whatever gang can hold them

Mass starvation/disease of course will be a big outcome of course but its not going to be easy and its far better to prep for Fallout than Victoria I JMO anyway

Anonymous Avalanche December 20, 2017 11:38 PM  

@186 "After combing through obscure records, newspapers and journals Downs believes "

(The Guardian!? really?!? But, okay-so) some academic wrote a book... I'm reminded of that Belliles? Bellsiles? who wrote a book after (allegedly -- the dog ate his hom... er... he had a flood which destroyed all his notes and sources) reading newspapers and wills and the like... claiming that almost NO early Americans owned a gun. (He was quickly debunked and lost his leftie book prize and his cushy college job!)

Guessing "Downs" is just such a leftie? (Who buried nearly one million ex-slaves over eight years? Or did the eeeebil Southerners have magic gas chambers that could burn many bodies at a time?)

And this?
"quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870."
(Does he intentionally elide death and illness to make it seem much worse?)

Makes me think cynically of the CDC which pushes flu vaccine because of "36,000 deaths a year" -- except almost EVERY ONE of those deaths is from pneumonia -- and almost none of those folks ever is tested to see if they did, in fact, die of *flu-related* pneumonia. (Did you know you can 'get' pneumonia without even having a cold?! It's a virus, like any other virus.)

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot December 20, 2017 11:45 PM  

Haha: "For Sale: Conservative/Patriot AR-15, Never Fired, Only Dropped Once."

In a land where the Average Conservative Gun Advocate buys an AR-15, the guys who dropped a chunk of change on something serious that'd shoot .338 Lapua Magnum or .408 Cheyenne Tactical are kings ... of the locals.

As for the true sovereigns, they pack much larger heat and engage their targets from well-fortified resort towns.

Blogger Koanic December 20, 2017 11:50 PM  

Man is made to war. We all know what happens when David stays home.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 21, 2017 12:00 AM  

The first comment is the most important one. This is happening now, IRT, and isn't hypothetical. Consider:

The national police force caters to globalists and doesn't answer to elected officials; there isn't pretense any longer that the United States is under civilian control. There was a pretty solid effort made to fatally decapitate the leadership of one political party a few months ago. Tonight the Memphis City Council defied Tennessee state law and illegally removed a Nathan Bedford Forrest statue. Cops regularly are targeted for assassination. Segregation is being reintroduced on terms favorable to non-whites. Even the Ghost Dancers have started to realize it's the last waltz.

If you aren't prepared it may be too late.

Anonymous uguu December 21, 2017 12:06 AM  

@41 Perhaps the deciding feature of the war will be the Navy. If war breaks out, it will look something like the Peloponnesian war, and so long as libshits hold the navy, they can ship over hordes of non-whites (African Population Graph), food, and supplies. That being said, if we have the navy, we can bombard and starve the cities into oblivion like the Spartans.

The key thing though is to get foreign powers such as China and Russia to side with the whites. If you can promise them an end to Yankee imperium, and they go with it, it will give us victory. However, if the Globalists get enough outside support it could lead to our defeat.

The question though is who is really willing to die for the West? You? As a Christian, getting killed in war isn’t really a problem for me, but how many others on the Right would say the same?

The only sort of unbridled hatred that would lend people to die in a war I see is coming from the Natsocs, who I sense are dying to be killed. Perhaps we in the Alt-West should find a way to get the Alt-Retard off the internet and into uniform...

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