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Thursday, December 14, 2017

Denying the faith

The Churchian cucks destroying their families with their virtue-signaling little know the evil they are doing:
I heard of a very good, decent family who regularly shared how they were called to have "an open house." They hosted events, had people over for lunch, and enjoyed great discussions around the table with interesting people. All decent things to do.

Yet their desire to be hospitable went farther than it should have. They also rented a room to a foreign college student (they viewed this as a ministry opportunity), took in homeless men and let people in need stay in their home for months or even years at a time.

And their children paid for it. One of the sons was deliberately exposed to homosexual pornography as a young teenager thanks to their international renter (who, after leaving the house, came out as gay much to the Christian family's surprise). Another of the family's daughters left home early since she was uncomfortable with how one of the homeless men the parents helped had a habit of showing up in the yard outside her bedroom window.

Another time I heard the story of a Christian family who allowed a Russian exchange student to stay with them as a chance to "witness." The night before he returned to Russia, he raped their teenage daughter.

Yet another Christian parent sent his young brain-damaged daughter to a special school program where she was raped by two boys who rode with her on the bus.

With tears in his eyes, he "forgave them."

To hell with that.
The Bible is very clear that a man's responsibility is to his family first, then to his ministry. That's why Paul praised those with the gift of celibacy, because they are able to prioritize their service to God. But one is not doing right, or serving God, by putting one's ministry ahead of one's family. As Lee Jackson reminds us, those doing so are actually denying the faith.

One more thing. It is not your place to forgive a crime committed against your child. To the contrary, you should be begging forgiveness for your failure to protect them.

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105 Comments:

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 14, 2017 4:04 PM  

If you take in anyone, as a father it is your job to protect your children and family. Don't feel sorry for them and don't give in to tears or guilt trips.

Anonymous Ages December 14, 2017 4:07 PM  

The Lord said to be innocent as doves, but also cunning as foxes.

Anonymous CPEG December 14, 2017 4:08 PM  

I assume in general that "forgiveness" except in response to actual, sincere repentance, is complete nonsense. Almighty God shows neither forgiveness nor mercy to the unrepentant; it is only offered. Anything beyond that is just them method-acting how they WISH the situation was going to unfold.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 14, 2017 4:12 PM  

@Ages, cunning as serpents.

Anonymous krymneth December 14, 2017 4:24 PM  

CPEG wrote:I assume in general that "forgiveness" except in response to actual, sincere repentance, is complete nonsense.

I think people suffer a bit because there's an equivocation in the English word "forgive".

There is a type of forgiveness you can offer unilaterally, where you let go of or release the pain they've caused you instead of holding it tight. It's healthy for a person to be able to do, but the person is an idiot in that situation to then behave as if the offender has changed at all.

Then there's the type of forgiveness you can give to a penitent person, as you mention. If they are truly penitent and not just play-acting, you are justified in certain behavioral changes which I won't try to describe because they don't fit into English well. (So, whatever error you assume I just made in suggesting some concrete action, how about we assume I didn't just make it instead?)

Best to not confuse the two.

Being a word thinker in a leftist-driven society is morally and mortally dangerous to your soul. They'll drain you of everything you have and are if you let them manipulate the meaning of forgiveness, openness, empathy, racism, or anything like that. God forbid that you let them fiddle with truth or love; you'd be better off chopping off limbs.

Anonymous Damn Crackers December 14, 2017 4:24 PM  

Maybe these fathers are following the path of Lot by offering up their daughters. I think they are very mistaken.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 14, 2017 4:25 PM  

You cannot forgive someone that has not repented and come to you for forgiveness. Repentance has a Cost.

This is one of the most brutal heresies to take hold within the Church. It's actually ego-centric virtue signaling, not actual faith. That's why it's so popular among Women and Churchians. It's actually a way to attack the person that has injured you while virtue signaling about it.

I've said before, I look forward to the return of witch burning.

Blogger haus frau December 14, 2017 4:28 PM  

The biblical concept of forgiveness has been lost to so many modern Christians. got into it with my dad over family matter. After teling him that there is no moral obligation to forgive the unrepentant, he was adamant that the need forgive is for the wronged person too...as in one is obligated to let go of anger and bitterness for their own good. I fail to see how being a doormat helps a victim to become a better person. It certainly doesnt help the victimizers soul to get away with free forgiveness with no accountability. This is common sense that modern churchianity scoffs at. I never even understood that chrisrians weren't required to forgive the unrepentant before reading this blog.

Blogger tz December 14, 2017 4:30 PM  

When you are married, as the head of the household (yes, God made the Husband the head, not to Lord over but to sacrifice), your priorities are to protect and provide for your wife and family.
Not even the best uncucked church comes first. You don't tithe when your children have need, you ask the church for charity, for those in abundunce to help.
Somewhere comes blood relatives that aren't irresponsible - if your orphaned nephew needs a place, and it doesn't violate anything (especially if he has his own income), help him.
Total strangers and those you've not known for years and can vouch for their character - no way.

I've said it would be easy to fix immigration. Simply require these cucky churches to be responsible - if the immigrant commits a crime and goes to jail, the pastor or family sponsoring has to have a member go to jail as an accessory and pay any fines, costs, or restitution. Same with any judgments, damages, or unpaid debts.

I had a conversation where I suggested this once, and they responded "but that would be too much of a risk". I simply responded that you want ME to bear the risk, either as a citizen whom might be injured, or as a taxpayer? Why do you think it is fair that I pay for your virtue signalling?

Blogger tz December 14, 2017 4:34 PM  

There can be no mercy without justice first.
There can be no forgiveness without repentance.
We are obligated to forgive those who sincerely repent (and make restitution, not an "I'm Sooo Sooory".
We are to seek justice, not vengance. We aren't to be bitter or wrathful (a deadly sin). But the opposite grave sin is servility that Zmirak has been noting at The Stream. We must be patient and let either Man's or God's justice work. We must not either be unforgiving, or have a preemptive forgiveness that just endorses and encourages evil.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 14, 2017 4:37 PM  

@5 krymneth

It's actually a form of Vengeance that people are mixing into "forgiveness". Add a good dose of Virtue Signaling and you have what the Churchians mean. A Christian should turn their Wrath over to the Lord, for his is capable of it.

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” - Romans 12:19 ESV

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. - Hebrews 10:29-31 ESV

But since Churchians are pathological fools, they don't understand. The desire for Wrath twists a Man in deep ways, but the drive for Justice refines him to a more pure form. The Churchian cannot understand that you can still inflict deep consequence on those that have wronged you without it being about your emotional desire for Wrath.

I've spent most of the decade tweaking Churchians with the books of Joshua & Judges. One should always seek to crush your enemies with a cool demeanor and a slight smile when it all goes well.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 14, 2017 4:39 PM  

"The Bible is very clear that a man's responsibility is to his family first, then to his ministry. That's why Paul praised those with the gift of celibacy, because they are able to prioritize their service to God. But one is not doing right, or serving God, by putting one's ministry ahead of one's family. As Lee Jackson reminds us, those doing so are actually denying the faith."

Unless one is unmarried (i.e. a Catholic priest or a Protestant minister, for example) your duty is first and foremost to your family. It sickens me to no end how many people deliberately ignore that tenant.

Brick Hardslab wrote:If you take in anyone, as a father it is your job to protect your children and family. Don't feel sorry for them and don't give in to tears or guilt trips.

@1 Exactly!!! Verify then trust.

"There is a type of forgiveness you can offer unilaterally, where you let go of or release the pain they've caused you instead of holding it tight. It's healthy for a person to be able to do, but the person is an idiot in that situation to then behave as if the offender has changed at all."

@5 Bingo!

"I've said it would be easy to fix immigration. Simply require these cucky churches to be responsible - if the immigrant commits a crime and goes to jail, the pastor or family sponsoring has to have a member go to jail as an accessory and pay any fines, costs, or restitution. Same with any judgments, damages, or unpaid debts."

@9 Yep, that'd make too much sense.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 14, 2017 4:54 PM  

``It is not your place to forgive a crime committed against your child.''

Forgiving sins committed against others is usurping God's role. It sounds downright Satanic to me.

Anonymous BBGKB December 14, 2017 4:55 PM  

There is a reason Anderson Cooper keeps going to moslem nations that would kill him if he said he loved another adult male but has no consequences for screwing bacha bazi boys(with no body hair). Forgiving people of these crimes will only encourage people like him.

Blogger Gordon December 14, 2017 4:59 PM  

I guess we could require that any sponsoring entity, be it family or Lutheran Social Services, put up a bond of, say, $1,000,000 per immigrant. The bond is forfeit upon commission of a felony, or any violent crime. I wonder what a bonding agency would charge for such a bond? 25 percent?

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 14, 2017 5:00 PM  

Lee Jackson is killing it the last two days. Good call, Vox.

Anonymous Tipsy December 14, 2017 5:08 PM  

It seems to me that we are called first to seek moral order within ourselves, then our family, then our community, then our nation, then the world. Why? Because moral order within each successive outer ring of society requires moral order within the inner ones.

Social Justice Disciples turn that order inside out.

Anonymous Viking December 14, 2017 5:16 PM  

Your family isn't there to be roped unwillingly into your ministry. You family, if you choose to start one, IS your ministry and the fruit of how you cared for them is your witness. You are the Priest, Prophet and King of your family. Where do you think the crown you hope to lay at His feet comes from?

Blogger Mastermind December 14, 2017 5:21 PM  

I grumble about a lot of things but having Lee Jackson take over AGP was a good move. Quality posts so far, much better than the increasingly rare hit and runs from Vox that it had turned into.

Blogger dvdivx December 14, 2017 5:21 PM  

The modern "Christian" man will hold down his own daughter to get raped providing the rapist is not white. They do not serve God. Charles the Hammer was a Christian too and thanks to him we still have Christianity. These cuxks are nearly agents of Satan.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2017 5:23 PM  

1 Timothy 5:8 (DLNT):

But if anyone does not provide-for his own relatives, and especially family-members, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

'Providing' includes providing safety and security.

Blogger Luke December 14, 2017 5:37 PM  

Post Of The Year, Vox. Keep it coming!

Blogger Luke December 14, 2017 5:42 PM  

I planned to become a foster parent until I remembered that (1) I lack patience for kids under 10,and (2) kids over 10 will be tempted to either falsely accuse me of sexual crimes or, if male, commit sexual crimes against my family.

Fvcking sucks. I just wanted to help disadvantaged kids (I once was one, in foster care myself) but the modern system is rigged against honest people like me.

Blogger Le Regardeur December 14, 2017 5:46 PM  

Dead straight.

Blogger Luke December 14, 2017 5:49 PM  

You almost persuade me to check it out.

JK, you and others saying the same have entirely persuaded me. Truth be told, nobody wants to hear about game from Vox directly. His scion, however, may have that certain je ne sais quoi.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 14, 2017 5:50 PM  

The worst ones of all are those whose family are brutally slaughtered by feral dindus or other die-ver-city and promptly offer forgiveness and hugs to the killers and to the Orca-like females screeching that Shitavious dindu nuffins. Happens all the time. Who on earth would want anything to do with a worthless, cucked, virtue-signaling religion like that? Even Islam is more respectable.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 14, 2017 5:54 PM  

Being masculine (with all the restrained aggression that entails) seems to be lost on lots of men.

A male human is the single most dangerous animal on Earth. Those who don't understand that power (both on the dishing it out and on the receiving it) are truly fools.

Darwin doesn't always kill those who fail.

Blogger Amy December 14, 2017 5:59 PM  

May I ask advice and counsel?

I have a forgiveness problem. How do you forgive someone who took something precious from you before you even knew what it was you held?

Why should I? People say it’s for me, not them. But I can only pity them for their crap lives, I can’t forgive the hurt and pain. Is it for God to do only? Then how can I play God?

But then how do I put the past behind me without forgiving? I don’t even know if I understand the modern context of these words. No o e has been repentant as far as I know.

Is it petty vengeance I have?should I adopt some fusion Buddhist Christian zen path of ignoring reality to find enlightenment?

Because this forgiveness stuff, it hurts as much as the original crime. Forgive a criminal, free him from his pain, for my own sake? I don’t buy it.

Blogger Luke December 14, 2017 6:01 PM  

I assume you mean orc-like. Orca females are actually pretty cool.

Blogger Luke December 14, 2017 6:05 PM  

As someone above wrote, the healing kind of forgiveness involves your willingness to forgive, should the bad guy repent. Whether he does or doesn't is beyond the scope of your heart and soul. Become willing, but don't beat yourself up for not feeling it in the face of his unrepentance.

Blogger Lazy Hero December 14, 2017 6:05 PM  

I have a cousin married to a liberal fruitcake school teacher, his mother is a retired liberal fruitcake teacher. My cousin and his wife already have 1 adopted black daughter. Last time I saw her she was a really fat kid. And his grandmother, my aunt, repeatedly tells everyone at family gatherings the little mud stain is adopted, she doesn't want anyone to think... She votes demonrat as well. So, I saw my cousin's mother, also my cousin a couple of months ago. Her son and his wife are at it again. They just adopted another little black baby girl. Her mother got impregnated at black biker week in Myrtle Beach. She got to choose who the adoptive parents would be. Yep, that's right she had multiple choices. Funny my cousin and his wife have ain't adopted a buck. Still, think the little mudstains are going to grow up and eat them.

Anonymous Tipsy December 14, 2017 6:07 PM  

Luke wrote:I assume you mean orc-like. [not orca-like]

Embrace the liberating power of AND!

Anonymous Looking Glass December 14, 2017 6:10 PM  

@28 Amy

On the assumption you're not trying to derail this thread for your own attention seeking...


Are you a Christian?

If so, then go to God and ask forgiveness of the Wrath that's bound you. You use the injury to make yourself feel better by playing the victim. After that, turn over the Vengeance to the Lord.

Then, go about fixing *your* issues. Depending on the injury, you'll have hang-ups and other issues. Deal with them.

It's the exact same advice if you've be injured by a freak accident.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction December 14, 2017 6:12 PM  

"With tears in his eyes, he "forgave them.""

Fucking cuck. I wouldn't forgive someone who hurt or violated my little girl.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 14, 2017 6:13 PM  

Yes, orc was intended. However, there is always Orca Windfree, Murika's fav gurlfreend, as an example (though maybe orca is bit too petite).

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 14, 2017 6:14 PM  

May I ask advice and counsel?

Amy, biblical forgiveness turns on whether or not the guilty person repents (Luke 17:3). It cannot truly be given and accepted without the person actually asking for it. If "letting go" when someone has wronged you seems unsatisfying, it's because it IS unsatisfying. It was never intended that we "forgive" things for which the guilty party does not acknowledge their responsibility and has no wish to change.

Here's what Moira has to say about it:

“I understand why it feels so hollow to forgive: I have no problem at all with never even getting mad at what they did to me. My response is frozen in time. I cannot even begin to forgive them for what they did to other people, which is why I was able to take action against them when a child was in danger.”

Moira's right. Forgiveness without repentance always feels hollow. Because it IS hollow.

It is not playing God to move on without forgiving people like that.

Blogger Johnny December 14, 2017 6:17 PM  

Amy wrote:May I ask advice and counsel?

I have a forgiveness problem. How do you forgive someone who took something precious from you before you even knew what it was you held?


My version of this is that forgiveness should follow punishment. When a person has been punished, then it is a moral duty to forgive and at least attempt to bring them back into society. As for forgiving before or without punishment, "To hell with that."

Blogger Elder Son December 14, 2017 6:30 PM  

It is the place of the daughter or son who has been raped to forgive or not. As a father, it is your job to kill the rapist, not turn the other cheek in symbolic re-rape.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 14, 2017 6:31 PM  

Naïve attitudes such as these Churchians display show a serious misunderstanding of fundamental human nature -- one taught by the Christian faith. We are to assume that everyone including ourselves are fallen and sinful by nature. Do they not respect or understand that? Furthermore, even having availed oneself to grace does not erase or reverse one's own sinful nature. Trust but verify, caveat emptor, etc. ... these rules of thumb are not mere trivia!

And regarding forgiveness, yes repentance for whatever wrong is essential, along with the understanding and foreknowledge that if they did it once they'll probably do it again. "Once bitten twice shy" applies. That, again, is an aspect of our fallen human nature.

We as Catholics are encouraged to go to confession often. Say, once a week. Try living a perfect week, that's easy right? Um, not so fast. Funny how you always come up with something to say when you get in the booth. "Hey, I'm good this week, father. Nothing to report!" haha, sure. There goes those antennae straight up.

Anonymous c matt December 14, 2017 6:33 PM  

as in one is obligated to let go of anger and bitterness for their own good.

One can let go of anger and bitterness for his own good, and not forgive an un-repented wrong. If someone wrongs me, I can get over the anger or bitterness about it, but I can still hold it against said person in future interactions if they have not repented of the action.

Blogger Michael Neal December 14, 2017 6:37 PM  

forgiveness does not replace punishment, they can both coincide

Blogger DonReynolds December 14, 2017 6:39 PM  

To say that the Christian church has changed during my lifetime, would be one of the biggest understatements. There was a time when the churches understood their role to save human souls.

Forgiveness was extended to those who repent of evil and accept God's undeserved grace. It did not save murderers and rapists from the hangman's noose. Somehow, forgiveness has become "without penalty". Which is simply wrong. No amount of forgiveness should save anyone from earthly punishment for crimes. Hang them, we will, and we will accept their confession of faith, if they have any, and pray for their soul when they are gone.

None of which should imply that the wicked will not pay for their crimes in this world. It might mean, they get a Christian burial rather than tossed to the swine, as they richly deserve.

Blogger Michael Neal December 14, 2017 6:42 PM  

True

Blogger Dire Badger December 14, 2017 6:44 PM  

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Blogger Dire Badger December 14, 2017 6:47 PM  

It is good to forgive a man. To let go of your anger and bitterness. Kill him with a clear head and heart, because he has earned your hatred or he simply needs killing

Never do it in Anger. Anger screws up your aim.

Blogger Dire Badger December 14, 2017 6:49 PM  

Churchians preach, "Judge not lest ye be judged".

They are right. It is not our place to judge whether a man is going to heaven or hell. That is God's place.
It is our place to arrange the meeting.

Blogger Lovekraft December 14, 2017 6:49 PM  

If it's not in the 16-points, could it be? A clear statement affirming the right of association.

Anonymous Scott December 14, 2017 6:54 PM  

"Yet their desire to be hospitable went farther than it should have. They also rented a room to a foreign college student (they viewed this as a ministry opportunity), took in homeless men and let people in need stay in their home for months or even years at a time."

This is just stupid. If you don't know these people, they should not be living with anyone you're obligated to protect.

Take the story of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37). The Samaritan did not take the stranger to his house, but to an Inn.

'34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’'

We should be helping our neighbor. We should not be helping our neighbor take advantage of our family.

Blogger Dire Badger December 14, 2017 6:56 PM  

Amy wrote:May I ask advice and counsel?

I have a forgiveness problem. How do you forgive someone who took something precious from you before you even knew what it was you held?


You don't. fortunately, god knows we are fallible humans, and some things we simply cannot forgive.

Just don't let it affect your life. Get revenge by living well. Of course, getting revenge in some other way makes forgiveness a LOT easier. Destroy them, if you can. Then forgive them and yourself.

Blogger Elder Son December 14, 2017 7:09 PM  

Throughout the bible, rape was neither covered up nor ignored, it was answered and avenged. Rape, is not in the same class as a prostitute who has committed sin and defilement of her own body. Hence, casting stones.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 14, 2017 7:15 PM  

"When a person has been punished, then it is a moral duty to forgive"

No.

It's never a moral duty to forgive.

What it actually is is a reciprocity. God extends his forgiveness to you when you repent and accept the payment proffered by his son for your transgressions. Similarly, if restitution is made for someone's transgressions against you, and they repent to you, THEN it is fitting that you should forgive them, because this is a reflection of God's mercy in forgiving you.

Blogger David Sims December 14, 2017 7:17 PM  

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Blogger Zaklog the Great December 14, 2017 7:20 PM  

Also relevant: The great majority of black men in America are, by the words of First Timothy, worse than unbelievers. They have utterly failed to take care of their own families.

Anonymous DMV December 14, 2017 7:23 PM  

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. -- Matthew 18:6

Nothing here about forgiveness. These people are not Christians, they worship the god of this world and willingly sacrifice their children to Baal.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman December 14, 2017 7:26 PM  

With tears in his eyes " he forgave them". Wow- this is what the modern church is producing ! May God have mercy.

I'm sure his wife feels real safe with him around. Reminds me of a guy in my church who refused to attack an intruder in their house. He instead attempted to hold him ( without force ) and witness to him until the cops arrived. When he first told me, I thought it was a joke.
You cant make this lunacy up.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2017 7:34 PM  

In these evil days, Churchians forgive those who don't ask for forgiveness, and Social Justice Warriors don't forgive those who do ask for forgiveness.

Blogger Lovekraft December 14, 2017 7:35 PM  

My take on the current cultural situation is "we do have a limit and if we're pushed too far, things are going to get ugly." And knowing the deviousness of the worldly power-hungry, we should be preparing for that very real likelihood.

Sort of like that Social Contract we've been brought up to believe in: adherence to laws but only if those laws are just and fair.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 14, 2017 7:48 PM  

There's a family at my church who does that.

I don't know why. My state has a much higher rate of child abductions and I live close to the Podestas.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 14, 2017 7:52 PM  

@ Amy, I don't buy it either. I've been wronged by people (specifics don't matter) and while I don't obsess about it, I did cut off contact with one person and there remain several others who are alive today only because settling the score would likely ruin my life. The crimes against me took place a very long time ago.

On a moral level I'd shoot them in an eye blink and sleep well that night and after.

I never forgive and I'll never forget. I have a great life, and that is all the revenge I'm likely to access.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 14, 2017 7:58 PM  

Thosewhocansee blog did a nice dissection of the hypocrisy of those whites who adopt blacks.

A man who invites risk to his children into his home belongs at the bottom of a vertical mine shaft.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 14, 2017 8:00 PM  

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Anonymous Bad Attitude December 14, 2017 8:01 PM  

I got to see Churchian virtue-signaling parents destroy their own biological children. The parents decided to start adopting special needs children. I can almost understand adopting one special needs child. But, I believe they ultimately adopted four special needs children, which took a heavy toll on their biological children. The mother would sometimes keep one of her biological children home from school to babysit the special needs children so she could go shopping. Their biological daughter got knocked-up so she could move out of the house. Their biological son became gay.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 14, 2017 8:06 PM  

There are two competing issues here that show parts of God's nature. We are told that, as God forgives us, we must forgive others. Moreover, we are told that we will ourselves be forgiven by God in exact measure by how we forgive others. If we fail to forgive, then God may well fail to forgive us. If we are stingy with our forgiveness, then God will be stingy with us. If we forgive quickly and exceedingly, then God forgives us in the same manner.

Forgiveness is the offering of grace, unmerited favor, directly to a person who has sinned against you or yours. Offering "forgiveness" through the media isn't truly forgiveness, it's virtue signaling, and it's empty. OTOH, I have every respect for a person who privately goes to someone privately and offers forgiveness after seeing that the grace will be taken and cherished. That is Godly forgiveness.

However, grace is not accepted when the receiver isn't repentant. If the recipient isn't repentant, then the offer falls flat, and there is nothing wrong with wanting God's justice next. Even Paul said that some people needed to be turned over to the fire, with the hope that the fire would turn them away from Satan.

Blogger Eric Slate December 14, 2017 8:17 PM  

As Jesus told the church, it has the ability to both forgive sins and to retain them. It is not a moral act to forgive sins of those who ignore basic morality. Even godless atheists know not to kill and rape each other by studying natural law. Modern churchianity is all about feeling good at the expense of what is right.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God December 14, 2017 8:22 PM  

"I heard of a very good, decent family..."/'Another time I heard the story of a Christian family..."

Heard from who? Who were these families specifically? What were the particular circumstances involved here?

Of course we need context for Paul's quotation in the Book of Timothy. In 5:3–16, it offered Paul instructions regarding priority in the care of widows. Thus, family members have the first and foremost responsibility for taking care of them, as well as other caring for each other through the Lord's work.

What the author is doing here is making a broad generalization, as if the the risk for a Christian family to take in strangers is absolutely prohibitive, and that the heads of each family ought to be demonized for distinctly placing their children in jeopardy. There is the ASSUMPTION is that they were malicious with their intent, that they perpetually put forth other than a safe environment. We are not privy to whether the mother or father 1) purposely ignored warning signs 2) gave a second chance to their boarders despite overt dangers and/or 3) were patently neglectful in their treatment of their children. We ONLY know that a tragedy befell upon the family, but not the specific circumstances involved.

So for the author to imply that the mother and father here are "churchians" or "cucks" or "Fake Christians" because one of their loved one's died as a result of their "hospitality for strangers" is in and of itself virtue signaling.

Faith always entails risk. Refer to Ecclesiastes 10:8-- “When you work in a quarry, stones might fall and crush you! When you chop wood, there is danger with each stroke of your ax! Such are the risks of life”. The greatest risk of all is how we relate to other people and how we relate to God – the risk to do something about those relationships. Mark 12:30 stated, “You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength” (NLT). You take a risk when you love with all your heart.

Is it worth it? Absolutely. Jesus reminded us one of the graves errors we can make is to play it safe with our lives. He said, “If you try to keep your life for yourself, you will lose it.”

Furthermore, Jesus exercised this power in his human capacity as the Messiah, informing us that "the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" and that God "had given such authority to men" (Matthew 9:8). Without forgiveness, we produce hatred. It is imperative we anticipate and practice the act of forgiveness, especially in cases of extreme harm. Forgiveness is an act of restoration. Without this restoration, not only is the wronged
action causing extreme harm, but so too is the act of not letting go and not forgiving.

The families suffered a horrific calamity. But for the author to automatically denounce the mother and father for not caring for their children without even knowing the back stories is demonstrating their own lack of faith.

Blogger SirHamster December 14, 2017 8:23 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:It's never a moral duty to forgive.



If someone begs you for mercy in the same fashion that you beg God for mercy, you do have a duty to forgive.

"Forgive us as we have forgiven our debtors"

Blogger Matt December 14, 2017 8:35 PM  

Only if it's sincere.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 14, 2017 8:48 PM  

Amy wrote:May I ask advice and counsel?

I have a forgiveness problem. How do you forgive someone who took something precious from you before you even knew what it was you held?

Why should I? People say it’s for me, not them. But I can only pity them for their crap lives, I can’t forgive the hurt and pain. Is it for God to do only? Then how can I play God?


The first followers of Jesus called it "the way". The term Christian was applied to them, and the Greek means "little Christs". God made us in His image, He wants us to "play God" when it comes to acting through forgiveness and love. In fact, remember the call "I believe; help me in my disbelief!" There is nothing wrong with telling God "I know I must forgive, help me in my unforgiveness to be like you and forgive anyway."

Amy, would you tell me that I was foolish to suggest that you have a doctor remove a knife sticking in your back? No, you'd probably ask me to call the ambulance for you. God tells us to forgive because of the positive effects it has on us, and because of the negative effects of sinful anger on our soul when we leave sins unforgiven.

Are you in a position to confront the person who sinned against you? If you are, the Bible says to confront them privately, and offer them a chance to repent. Place yourself in a position to offer forgiveness and grace, as God has put Himself in a position to offer forgiveness and grace to us. Once you've offered, then you are not responsible if grace is rejected through unrepentant behavior.

If you are not in that position, then there is nothing wrong with taking the whole thing to God. Trust in Him to handle them, and let Him handle the pain and hurt. It's doing you no good at all.

And if you're not a Christian, Amy, then realize that as much as you hurt, you've hurt God so much more through your actions. He has freely offered Grace and Forgiveness; accept it and then start the rest of this post.

Anonymous barg uist December 14, 2017 8:49 PM  

More importantly, forgiveness does not mean there are no consequences. Even God's forgiveness means Someone had to take on the sins' penalty...

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 14, 2017 9:05 PM  

Cheech And Chong Found God wrote:So for the author to imply that the mother and father here are "churchians" or "cucks" or "Fake Christians" because one of their loved one's died as a result of their "hospitality for strangers" is in and of itself virtue signaling.

...

The families suffered a horrific calamity. But for the author to automatically denounce the mother and father for not caring for their children without even knowing the back stories is demonstrating their own lack of faith.


Churchians today are obsessed with calling. They are called to X one day, and then three days later they're called to do Y. I've seen a lot of "called" ministers who should be selling insurance, or any of a dozen other careers.

When God calls you for something, He doesn't give you alternatives. He made Jonah have a trip in the big fish rather than get out of preaching to Ninevah.

I've noticed that a lot of "callings" are awfully similar to their own temptations. "We're being called to adopt a girl. It's not because I haven't had a girl, and want one...". Or "I want to enter the mission field" is really "I want away from my home".

Doing God's will is dangerous sometimes, but fathers are obligated to minimize the risks to their children, because they have an original responsibility first to their current children. That's why missionaries were often required to either forgo children or be past childbearing age; they weren't supposed to bring children into the field.

Anonymous Avalanche December 14, 2017 9:12 PM  

@28 "May I ask advice and counsel?
I have a forgiveness problem. How do you forgive someone who took something precious from you before you even knew what it was you held?
"

Amy, all too often the "forgiveness" that people are suggesting you grant to malefactors is NOT the 'casting free' of your own tie to the one who hurt you. They are asking you to 'pretend' that malefactor did not actually hurt you. That is not forgiveness; that is allowing the people who suggest it to not have to face and deal with your legitimate pain and loss. All too often nowadays, that includes "letting off" the malefactor -- for whatever reason ("he dindu nuffin"). (It ties in with the folks here pointing out those HORRORS who 'excuse and forgive' malefactors for raping and murdering their wife or child -- whether or not that malefactor is even the slightest bit sorry! IN-excusable!)

Here's the key I have relied on many times through my long life for evils and plain-old injuries done to me, intended or not. Christian or no (and I'm not there yet), holding to this concept helps let ME go:

"Vengeance is MINE, saith the Lord."

Now, I don't see that it matters whether you're Christian or believe in the "Lords of Karma" or the universal balance or The Force or whatever seems to move the universe for you. We must allow that the malefactor WILL be "paid back" (which is the vindictive phrasing for “shall have to make amends”) -- but we will probably not be there to see it. I can rely, even as a non-Christian, on the idea that the Lord (or the lords of karma or The Force) WILL balance the scales.

The Churchian idea (have you been reading here long enough to understand about churchians?) is that the injured 'gives over' to the malefactor; SUBMITS to that injury done and waves off the responsibility of the one who did the injury. I doubt there is a (real) religion on the planet (well, maybe Jainism, which is truly weird? They're the ones who wear surgical masks so they don't accidentally breath in a midge and kill it?!) that suggests 'forgiving' one who has not repented and tried to make amends. (Churchianism is NOT a real religion -- or if it is, it's a commie-SJW-pathological religion!)

Letting go of; casting off; releasing; discarding; these are a version of "forgiveness" that does not depend on -- nor require -- the malefactor to act, or even to recognize what s/he has done. If you have 'lost' (had taken from you) something valuable, something irretrievable or irreparable, then even IF the malefactor wished to make amends -- what could those amends be?

Anonymous Avalanche December 14, 2017 9:12 PM  

@28 (cont.)

But I can only pity them for their crap lives, I can’t forgive the hurt and pain.

Pity is a start. Having compassion for someone who has a crap life makes the 'detachment' a bit easier to reach. And detachment IS forgiveness of a sort: you are forgiving the malefactor for NOT having been a better person. Some people who are already badly broken pass the brokenness on. They INJURE because they were injured. NOT an excuse, but a reason. I often remind myself: IF I am going to give myself some grace for my mistakes, then how can I NOT give my abusive father grace for his? IF he could have done better, he would have. If I can do better, I will try to! Does that "make it all-better"? Of course not! Lessen the pain? Some, because unless he was EVIL, then he was trying to do good as much as he could; and if he was EVIL, why on earth or after would I forgive him?!

Are the people asking (telling?) you to forgive suggesting that somehow, magically, the hurt and pain will go away if you "forgive"? That's silly. The hurt and the pain are legitimate responses to an injury. However, depending on what the injury/loss/damage was and recognizing it cannot be repaired: if you are mired in the pain, then you are not doing the work on yourself that is needful to re-balance your life.

Old Buddhist tale: a woman's young son dies. In her grief she goes to the Buddha and asks him to bring her son back; she KNOWS he can do it, and she will do anything, bear any burden, if only the Buddha will do this for her. He counsels her long and deeply, but she is unmoved. So finally, he tells her he will do as she asks. She must bring him these things: a never-used white scarf, four pomegranate seeds, a bowl carved of stone, and dust from the step of a house that has never known death. She runs off to gather these things... Days, weeks, months pass, and finally she returns, still grieving, but resigned. The first objects were easy, but as she searched and searched for a house that had never known death, she came to the realization that loss and death come to all people everywhere always.

Every human you meet carries hurt and pain. It's the human condition. Who you ARE comes from what you have gone through. Some of it joyous, some of it painful and damaging. But you would not be who you are today without both. Perhaps, make a list of what forgiveness means to you -- what's included and excluded in your idea (or the idea you’re getting from others). See what is reasonable and what is achievable, and what would be wrong to even consider.

Blogger Smokey Dust December 14, 2017 9:19 PM  

I know pride is a sin but is honor or will power a sin as well? These people bend over backwards for evil while ignoring the family man.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 14, 2017 9:24 PM  

Kentucky Packrat wrote:I've noticed that a lot of "callings" are awfully similar to their own temptations.

I've noticed that a lot of ``calls to the mission field'' are to tropical destinations, and very few are to the ghetto or the Arctic. Are you called to Kaktovik? Talk to me. Want a tropical vacation? Don't ask me for support.

Anonymous Avalanche December 14, 2017 9:26 PM  

@65 "Without forgiveness, we produce hatred. It is imperative we anticipate and practice the act of forgiveness, especially in cases of extreme harm."

And there's your churchian!! (What a crawling weak cuck!) Amy -- do NOT listen to this fool!

A FATHER "forgiving" the animal that raped his CHILD will most assuredly produce hatred IN HIS CHILD! "It is imperative" that a FATHER protect his child on God's behalf! Did not God give that child into the father's care and protection? And did not the FATHER drop that burden -- and then EXCUSE the animal who harmed the child?!

The only "forgiveness" should be from the child to the irresponsible father!

Blogger BassmanCO December 14, 2017 9:35 PM  

Orca Windfree

Okay, I almost sprayed my dinner out laughing at that. Well done.

Blogger Elder Son December 14, 2017 9:40 PM  

Once again: Throughout the bible, rape was neither covered up nor ignored, it was answered and avenged.

@73 Misplaced pride is a sin. Not all pride is.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=pride&qs_version=ESV

Blogger BassmanCO December 14, 2017 9:47 PM  

Keep moving those goalposts...

Blogger Michael Neal December 14, 2017 9:55 PM  

Missionaries going overseas to help people while their own country burns, ultimate act of cowardice. It's easier to help build houses for the poor than to rebuild the faith in a nation that is crucifying the religion.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 14, 2017 10:17 PM  

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:It sickens me to no end how many people deliberately ignore that tenant.
The word is tenet, not tenant.  A tenet is something you hold to (from the Latin "tenere", same root at "tenacious").  A tenant is someone you rent to.

Anonymous Icicle December 14, 2017 10:18 PM  

There is a reason Anderson Cooper keeps going to moslem nations that would kill him if he said he loved another adult male but has no consequences for screwing bacha bazi boys(with no body hair). Forgiving people of these crimes will only encourage people like him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5h3bkb/anderson_cooper_on_cnn_five_years_ago/

Nothing to see here. Move along. Everything is fine.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 14, 2017 10:22 PM  



SJW Virtue Signalling: Churchianity version
Virtue Signalling is no virtue. Its theft: of people's lives, their past and future.

https://i.imgur.com/gevCTM0.png

Blogger marco moltisanti December 14, 2017 10:25 PM  

"One more thing. It is not your place to forgive a crime committed against your child. To the contrary, you should be begging forgiveness for your failure to protect them."

Very well said.

Anonymous 2106 things I Hate December 14, 2017 10:40 PM  

This is how you forgive a crime against your children:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUE8fYxjq8

Well done.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 14, 2017 10:44 PM  

Cheech And Chong Found God wrote:What the author is doing here is making a broad generalization, as if the the risk for a Christian family to take in strangers is absolutely prohibitive, and that the heads of each family ought to be demonized for distinctly placing their children in jeopardy.
It is and they ought. They had a sovereign duty before God, and they chose to ignore that duty and endanger their own children in order to feel good about what loving wonderful Christians they were. Even Heathens know better.

There is the ASSUMPTION is that they were malicious with their intent, that they perpetually put forth other than a safe environment.
False. Malice is not assumed anywhere in the argument. Any you found you brought with you.

We are not privy to whether the mother or father 1) purposely ignored warning signs 2) gave a second chance to their boarders despite overt dangers and/or 3) were patently neglectful in their treatment of their children. We ONLY know that a tragedy befell upon the family, but not the specific circumstances involved.
The protocol for how they dealt with the every more obvious and escalating danger from the poisonous snakes they invited into their homes is irrelevant. They failed catastrophically in their DUTY before God. They invited poisonous snakes into their home. The results are entirely predictable.

So for the author to imply that the mother and father here are "churchians" or "cucks" or "Fake Christians" because one of their loved one's died as a result of their "hospitality for strangers" is in and of itself virtue signaling.
Chemically pure, industrial grade bullshit.

Faith always entails risk.
Risk for whom. You are not free to risk the lives, safety, and souls of those under your care.

Is it worth it? Absolutely.
Worth it for whom?

Jesus reminded us one of the graves errors we can make is to play it safe with our lives. He said, “If you try to keep your life for yourself, you will lose it.”
Your own life. Feel free to to risk it, to endanger yourself, to subject yourself to the danger of murder, rape, forcible sexual degradation, slavery.

You have no right whatsoever to subject others to those risks. And a positive duty not to subject your children to them.

Anonymous Carbon blob December 14, 2017 10:48 PM  

@2

It is truly amazing how perfectly leftists pull off the opposite.

Innocent as serpents -- dressing up their bids for power in the garb of 'social justice'.

Wise as doves -- completely oblivious to how the unintended (but obvious to everyone else) side effects of their rules destroy society.

Blogger Rashadjin December 14, 2017 10:53 PM  

@28 Amy

'Forgiveness' of a person who has wronged you is a codified misunderstanding of the personal healing process. Prolonged anger, stress, and hatred will destroy you in every way. 'Forgiving' someone is to enter a process of letting go of your reasons to live in those emotional states and hopefully healing the wounds inflicted.

Of course, the 'codified misunderstanding' part is to enforce a Churchian view of morality that makes you the proverbial doormat of the world.

True and complete forgiveness must be a process with the person who has wronged you where that person must repent and make amends for the wrongs they have committed. In only that context are you to forgive them to the extent that you are able, which is a process in itself.

Outside of that context, you are to put aside or move past the wrongs committed against you so they don't rule and ruin your life even beyond the damage the wrong itself has wrought. But complete forgiveness? No. Always remember that a person who hasn't repented and reconciled hasn't changed. They will wrong you again and again and again because its who they are.

There is some wisdom in handing vengeance to God, generally speaking. But practically speaking, there are times and circumstances where...Hm, No. Vengeance is the wrong approach. Justice and necessary corrections to the status quo need to be applied by your hand. The balance between handing vengeance to God and handling justice and necessary corrections yourself is something of wisdom and prayer. Don't forget that there is a place for some amount of grace and mercy too. Maybe not always, but they do have a habit of improved big-picture outcomes. So grace and mercy aren't God's alone.

-

But onto my original soap box.

This is a lot of my big problem with Evangelicals. Their focus on the outsider is an extension of their ideological need to usher in the End Times by spreading the gospel to every corner of the world so God can get on with it. This is a lot of why the Evangelicals are often the End Timesiest of the End Times obsessed Christians/Churchians. And yes, it is an abject failure to their first duties that has also contributed a great deal to the destruction of America.

They'd rather dig wells in Africa than fix American inner cities despite the fact that the American inner cities are going to destroy their ability to dig wells in Africa sooner than later. But it's okay! Because digging wells in Africa will force God's hand and timetable somehow.

Fools - with my greatest disdain on this particular aspect of this particular denomination.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 14, 2017 10:58 PM  

"If someone begs you for mercy in the same fashion that you beg God for mercy, you do have a duty to forgive."

Did you not read what I wrote? That same fashion would include both remuneration and repentance. Whether the remuneration is due to me or to God is in some aspects situational, but without repentance there can be no forgiveness, period.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 14, 2017 11:07 PM  

To be more clear, "forgiveness" without admission of wrongdoing is f***tarded stupidity. One can beg for mercy without admitting wrongdoing.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 14, 2017 11:36 PM  

Lazy Hero wrote:She votes demonrat as well.
Where did I just see that VP posters didn't use terms like "demonrat"?

Dire Badger wrote:It is not our place to judge whether a man is going to heaven or hell. That is God's place.

It is our place to arrange the meeting.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Eric Slate wrote:Even godless atheists know not to kill and rape each other by studying natural law.
This is why you can trust truth-seeking atheists above churchians, who are next to Marxists and SJWs.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales December 14, 2017 11:38 PM  

@91

*Cough* Marxism and SJW'ism and atheism go hand in hand and atheists have killed and raped each other ridiculous numbers of times in recent history *uncough*.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 14, 2017 11:44 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:This is why you can trust truth-seeking atheists above churchians

I've met 4. You are not on that list.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel December 15, 2017 1:42 AM  

@53

"Also relevant: The great majority of black men in America are, by the words of First Timothy, worse than unbelievers. They have utterly failed to take care of their own families."

I have a decidedly left-of-center professional acquaintance who has a rare moment of lucidity. He related the story of the inner city church he attends where it is rather common to hear of an unwed girl/woman being pregnant. The rest of the women have two major concerns. A baby shower and getting the pregnant female to the appropriate government offices.

Oh how I love being a welfare state cuckold, ensuring that the irresponsible genes are passed on.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 15, 2017 1:58 AM  

Michael Neal wrote:Missionaries going overseas to help people while their own country burns, ultimate act of cowardice. It's easier to help build houses for the poor than to rebuild the faith in a nation that is crucifying the religion.

Its morally cowardice though. Many people here in the US would benefit from their efforts, Habitat for Humanity works all over America , Jimmy Carter busts his butt for them all the time

Heck American is a pretty good place to preach if you want too

Thing is though these people are much like the elite. They want the poor of their to be unseen, invisible as it makes them so uncomfortable to think about them.

Apparently "There but for the Grace of God go I" is too much for these Pharisees

Anonymous Anonymous December 15, 2017 2:08 AM  

The local community Christmas festival featured a Catholic school choir that sang only non-Christian Christmas songs.

The professional choir sang all Christian Christmas songs. Their rendition of Silent Night was amazing.

The contrast was stark.

Blogger Harambe December 15, 2017 2:30 AM  

One more thing. It is not your place to forgive a crime committed against your child. To the contrary, you should be begging forgiveness for your failure to protect them.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 15, 2017 4:06 AM  

What you must understand about forgiveness is that it has a cost. There’s a reason why God talks about forgiveness in terms of debt snd payment. It’s not that the law is an accounting exercise; it’s to relate it to something we do understand.

When Christ forgave you he paid the price of your sin. If I forgive you a debt you owe me then I bear the loss of not having that debt repaid. This is why you cannot forgive the invaders who raped your child; you’re not the one owed payment.

You are the one who owes the child protection and if you have sacrificed them on the altar of your public reputation for virtue you are worse than the rapist.

It’s not your place to forgive debt owed to someone else; the very purpose of the strong is to defend the weak. Failure to do so means you have no purpose; your existence has no function, you might as well not exist. It will be better for you to tie a millstone to yourself and jump into the ocean.

Blogger The Kurgan December 15, 2017 8:12 AM  

It is not your place to forgive a crime committed against your child. To the contrary, you should be begging forgiveness for your failure to protect them.

I'm not sure I could ever even ask for such forgiveness.
Perhaps... if I evolve some more, I might, one day, be able to ask forgiveness for putting the heads of anyone who tried to do that to a kid of mine on a pike after I urinated on it.

Blogger Aeoli December 15, 2017 8:46 AM  

Alpha Game is in good hands.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 15, 2017 1:38 PM  

@28 Amy
May I ask advice and counsel?

I have a forgiveness problem. How do you forgive someone who took something precious from you before you even knew what it was you held?

Why should I? People say it’s for me, not them. But I can only pity them for their crap lives, I can’t forgive the hurt and pain. Is it for God to do only? Then how can I play God?
---

In this case they are unrepentant, it is for your benefit to hand this over to God.

Why should you trap yourself in that terrible moment of time, while the perpetrator has moved on?

The reason it would be for you is to free you from the prison of anger and wrath. It's so you can move on.

It's not saying whatever happened is right. It's saying you don't have to be imprisoned by that moment for the rest of your life.

As for forgiving the perp, that has been addressed by everybody already.

Blogger SirHamster December 15, 2017 3:41 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:Did you not read what I wrote? That same fashion would include both remuneration and repentance. Whether the remuneration is due to me or to God is in some aspects situational, but without repentance there can be no forgiveness, period.

I quoted exactly the phrase I disagreed with, and disproved it. You said there is never a duty to forgive.

But there is such a duty, because the unforgiving servant will have his forgiven debt unforgiven.

I agree that repentance is necessary (begging for forgiveness), but remuneration? What remuneration can you offer God for your sins?

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God December 16, 2017 8:51 AM  

To Kentucky Packrat

"When God calls you for something, He doesn't give you alternatives."

He Offers you multiple opportunities to help--serve God through your family, give the tithe, volunteer, donate clothing.

"Churchians today are obsessed with calling."

You meant Christians ought to be obsessed with calling, as God does not recognize such a term.

"Doing God's will is dangerous sometimes, but fathers are obligated to minimize the risks to their children, because they have an original responsibility first to their current children."

What specific instances are you able to provide by which those families neglected to take primary responsibility for their children outside of the situations listed by the author?

To Ominous Cowherd

"I've noticed that a lot of "calls to the mission field'' are to tropical destinations."

God's calling requires Christians to do good work anywhere and everywhere.

To Michael Neal

"Missionaries going overseas to help people while their own country burns, ultimate act of cowardice."

Assuming that these missionaries do ONLY work overseas and fail to heed His calling to provide immediate help to those in need in their own community.

The act of cowardice here is on you for denigrating their duty. Please repent for your sin.

To Snidely

"They had a sovereign duty before God, and they chose to ignore that duty and endanger their own children in order to feel good about what loving wonderful Christians they were."

In reality, the families acted in the way God has commanded them to act.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 16, 2017 3:42 PM  

Cheech And Chong Found God wrote:To Ominous Cowherd

"I've noticed that a lot of "calls to the mission field'' are to tropical destinations."

God's calling requires Christians to do good work anywhere and everywhere.


It's interesting how many more are willing to do that good work in the tropical tourist areas versus the high Arctic or the Moslem world. It's almost as if some of those people are looking for an extended vacation from God rather than a vocation from God.

If you say God has called you to Saudi Arabia or Kaktovik or Thule, I'll probably believe you. If God has called you to beach ministry in Thailand or Tonga, I'm doubtful.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 16, 2017 3:44 PM  

Cheech And Chong Found God wrote:To Snidely

"They had a sovereign duty before God, and they chose to ignore that duty and endanger their own children in order to feel good about what loving wonderful Christians they were."

In reality, the families acted in the way God has commanded them to act.


Sure is good that we have you here to fill us in on what God is really telling everyone. Dat ol' bible sho are confusing. We'd be lost without you.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God December 16, 2017 4:31 PM  

"If you say God has called you to Saudi Arabia or Kaktovik or Thule, I'll probably believe you."

When you make this comment, you are doubting God. Please repent.

"Sure is good that we have you here to fill us in on what God is really telling everyone."

Learn about His Grace and His Humility.

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