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Sunday, December 24, 2017

He's out

And let's face it, when it comes to original fans of Star Wars, who isn't?
In just 10 days, “The Last Jedi” has brought in $365 million domestically. This is a huge amount of money. It sets some records no doubt.

But “The Force Awakens” took in $540 million in its first 10 days, two years ago. That’s almost $175 million difference. And that’s BIG.

Everyone has a theory. Schools weren’t completely out for Christmas. The wind was coming from the north. Odd days vs. even days.

But now that two weekends have passed, we can state the obvious: they killed off Luke Skywalker. I mean, come on. Happy, peppy Luke became a wizened old man on a mountain with no family, no love, no connections, no friends, no faith. Both he and Han Solo were essentially knocked off by Han and Leia’s son. I mean, WTF? None of it makes sense. It’s a bitter pill to swallow. Plus, Rey isn’t related to anyone, and Kylo mocks her for it. It’s a drag.

Now Mark Hamill is speaking out, saying he took direction from Rian Johnson but knew it was all wrong. He says. maybe it’s a cousin “Jake Skywalker” but certainly not the Luke he knew.

George Lucas must be furious. In two movies they killed off two of his three main characters. And who could have foreseen Carrie Fisher’s real life death? So now Leia will expire in Episode IX. Her son– and Han’s– is irredeemably evil. So that’s it.

This is why I wrote back at the beginning that I am done with “Star Wars.” If you’re from the generation that started with the series in 1977, the death of our heroes is not what we signed up for. So I am out, and I sense from the box office so are a lot of people. Big mistakes were made here.
Convergence kills. Convergence costs corporations VERY BIG money. I am seriously thinking of starting a corporate consultancy to help established companies avoid becoming converged by diagnosing convergence and treating it early.

To put it in perspective, TFA fell 28 percent from $38 million two years ago. TLJ fell 50 percent from $29 million today. So, TLJ is falling nearly twice as fast from a lower peak.

SJW convergence is corporate cancer.

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102 Comments:

Anonymous Rfvujm December 24, 2017 8:48 PM  

I really enjoyed the short story in SJWADD with the "employee" who attended the diversity training to scope out the state of the company. I would love to see that become a reality. I could imagine many people lining up to fill that role.

Blogger Smokey Dust December 24, 2017 8:52 PM  

The Deus Vult consultant firm is a great idea. Where do I submit my resume? My experience is limited but I would accept the look of terror on the faces of various HR departments as payment.

Anonymous SAK December 24, 2017 8:57 PM  

I am seriously thinking of starting a corporate consultancy to help established companies avoid becoming converged by diagnosing convergence and treating it early.

It sounds like a solid idea, but, if it is successful, I do not look forward to the inevitable convergence consultancy industry that forms around it with mid-wits trailing in your wake babbling about what they think convergence means.

Hopefully your imprimatur will be enough to stamp out the nonsense and perhaps you can even charge for accreditation. It would certainly be fun to see companies boasting to partners that they are SDL:27001 certified with VFM qualified employees in key positions.

Also, Rob Cain, over at Forbes, has been doing a good job of exposing the The Limping Jedi's under-performance.

Anonymous HHH December 24, 2017 9:03 PM  

With____ you lose.

Blogger Madame Ringading December 24, 2017 9:06 PM  

I say go for it. I know quite a few concerns in Canada that could benefit from this. I've already recommended SJWAL and SJWADD to a couple already.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey December 24, 2017 9:07 PM  

Just 4 days ago that guy was saying this:

"But there’s some kind of indifference or hostility to “Last Jedi” that I don’t get. I loved it. For true “Star Wars” fans, it’s a must see movie, a really big moment of closure for original fans. It’s also a beacon for the next generation."

Now he's off the whole bandwagon. Indeed, opinion of that movie is not faring well over time.

It truly is an abomination of a film, too. There's a line of justification that says the Star Wars universe was too small, its lore too limiting, its fans too factious, so this needed to be done to liberate the franchise from the past and take a new direction. That's bunk. Look, the big surprise hit film this year was Dunkirk. We all go into that one knowing what will happen, all the big framework of the plot. Yet they still made a good movie. Some of Shakespeare's best work was done in his histories, in which everybody knew the main outcomes beforehand. You can do good work with known lore, and also be faithful to it.

In The Last Jedi, they didn't. They did the opposite, they gleefully trashed everything and frankly insulted a huge chunk of us along the way. Intentionally, I would add.

Blogger Lovekraft December 24, 2017 9:14 PM  

I've mentioned the law of unintended consequences regarding pushy superiors and co-workers. That the policies they are pushing which make them feel like (what I call) 'Little Napoleons' will be imposed upon their children when they come of age.

If they feel they will get away with pushing others around and being obnoxious, I like to simply remind them that, down the road, their children will look at them and ask 'what were you doing when all this crap was being implemented?'

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 24, 2017 9:21 PM  

George Lucas must be furious.

Why? He phoned it in for more than a decade and then sold out for a sum that would make Croesus blanch. Lucas is laughing his ass off.

Anonymous JAG December 24, 2017 9:22 PM  

I'd be good at this. I can out an SJW in fewer questions than it takes Deckard to out a Replicant

Blogger tz December 24, 2017 9:32 PM  

The Intercept shows how clueless the SJW zombies are. Even worse, they admit the movie stinks.

The new film’s plot holes and a messy storyline are good fodder for critics, but let’s leave that for them. In the meantime, it’s hard not to watch the First Order picking off rebel ships and think of the first several weeks of the Trump administration; the onslaught of attacks on everything from immigrant rights to the environment. This is a long fight, and a lot of people will die. Victories are few and far between, and casualties are mounting. “The Last Jedi” self-consciously brings the rebellion into the resistance. Let your heroes and old dogmas die. Rebel scum have nothing to lose but their chains.

I couldn't make this up or parody it.

Blogger Koanic December 24, 2017 9:35 PM  

In A New Hope-Change, Rey's mulatto son Karab focuses on community service to underprivileged aliens, rising through the galactic bureaucracy to overthrow the First Order through ballots, not bullets. Lightsabers (and white saviors) are banned.

Blogger FUBARwest December 24, 2017 9:37 PM  

I have a feel George sold it to the mouse to spite the fans complaining about the prequels. I'm sure he's long past the point of caring with 4.2bil in the bank.

Anonymous Deplorable me December 24, 2017 9:39 PM  

"There's a line of justification that says the Star Wars universe was too small, its lore too limiting, its fans too factious, so this needed to be done to liberate the franchise"

FFS, what morons. Star Wars (& Trek) is only limited by your imagination.

Much as I hated the Yuuzhan Vong storyline in the novels, it would have made a decent trilogy.

Anonymous Steve Canyon December 24, 2017 9:39 PM  

It underperformed Phantom Menace on day 10, based upon that chart in the Cain article. It underperformed the other 2 sequels to that movie as well. The fact it underperformed those 3 clunkers says a lot more to me than its underperformance relative to Force Awakens.

Like socialists that run out of people to bankroll their government, these guys will run out of die-hards that will see anything with "Star Wars" in the title.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 24, 2017 9:40 PM  

Merry Christmas to all the Ilk, Dread Ilk, and VFM from Indiana! And our host!

Blogger FUBARwest December 24, 2017 9:41 PM  

Funny enough LA made the same mistake in TALK that they did with the Vong.

Star Wars is about good vs evil. Plain and simple. The Vong storyline muddled with that and it took them two new book series to fix it again. I don't think Disney has that much time left.

Anonymous Magna Carta December 24, 2017 9:42 PM  

And still the 10 highest-grossing films adjusted for inflation are...

Gone with the Wind 1939
Avatar 2009
Star Wars 1977
Titanic 1997
The Sound of Music 1965
E.T. 1982
The Ten Commandments 1956
Doctor Zhivago 1965
Jaws 1975
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937

Blogger Lazarus December 24, 2017 9:48 PM  

@17

A demonstration of an Empire in decline

Blogger Nick December 24, 2017 9:48 PM  

Now that two weekends have passed we can state the obvious? Why not state it as soon as it was obvious?

Three days ago, he was still playing dumb about the obvious and shilling for Disney toys.

From December 21:

"I'm not sure what's going. Some say it's because more schools had already broken for holiday vacation back in 2015. Could be.

"But there's some kind of indifference or hostility to 'Last Jedi' that I don’t get. I loved it. For true 'Star Wars' fans, it's a must see movie, a really big moment of closure for original fans. It's also a beacon for the next generation.

"Something is definitely wrong, however. Even kids still in school would be at 5 or 6pm shows. And now there are reports that the merchandise is doing so-so business. Me, I want a Porg!"

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/21/star-wars-the-last-jedi-continues-to-struggle-with-a-shocking-77-wednesday-difference-from-force-awakens

He's too intellectually dishonest to be consistent in his SJW.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 24, 2017 9:52 PM  

The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:Now he's off the whole bandwagon. Indeed, opinion of that movie is not faring well over time.
The rot was obvious when character and plot development was sacrificed to Jar-Jar Binks and Ewok.

You should have told the whole franchise to GTFO way back then.  You failed.  Get over it.

@9  But you have to be retained to fire them.  Who'll do that?

@12  Isn't he married to a dindu, with no children therewith?  What's the point of the money?  He can't take it with him and he has nothing of his own to gift it to.

Blogger Ceerilan December 24, 2017 9:54 PM  

It's official. The only Star Wars movies worth seeing are the original trilogy and Rogue One. After seeing The Last Jedi myself, I can tell you it is a clusterfuck of a movie. Its editors didn't even TRY to tell a story that makes sense. Its writers shat all over the characters we grew to love. Its director lied to the actors about what was happening.

I can't wait for the next owner to do for the new trilogy what Disney did for the Extended Universe...rebrand it as Star Wars Legends and start making new content.

Blogger Timmy3 December 24, 2017 10:01 PM  

Unclear how killing Luke is considered convergence. It’s just bad storytelling. The evil empire succeeding might be a good thing. I felt the empire getting defeated so easily in Return of the Jedi is a major screwup. Then there’s the easy defeat of the empire in The Phantom Menace.

Blogger Matthew Funk December 24, 2017 10:13 PM  

I am seriously thinking of starting a corporate consultancy to help established companies avoid becoming converged by diagnosing convergence and treating it early.

If you are running with this idea, I will definitely contact you for details on how to be a client. In my particular case, it is more a matter of an increasingly converged clientele. I am an investor in a very successful entertainment business and exposition of my philosophies would kill me in the local market. My current plan is to transition into a more semi-rural setting and embrace a new market. I will be checking the blog frequently, if you run with this, I will e-mail for rate inquiries.

Blogger Crisis December 24, 2017 10:15 PM  

In a way, the New STAR WARS Makes Perfect Sense Given the Change in Ownership from George Lucas to Disney. Force reflects real power.


http://lukeskywalkerisgeorgelucas.blogspot.com/2017/12/in-way-new-star-wars-makes-perfect.html

Blogger Chris McCullough December 24, 2017 10:31 PM  

I'm genuinely surprised how hard Luke's ruination is hitting people, even casual fans. As a kid I though Solo was the more popular hero.

Anonymous Porg One December 24, 2017 10:34 PM  

This article doesn't speak about SJW convergence, he's upset about beloved characters getting killed off (after becoming sour reflections of their betterselves).

I say suck it up. Star Wars doesn't belong to Gen X. I'm from his generation, but my folks weren't the intended audience for Star Wars in 1977. We're not the intended audience now. But I still enjoyed it.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums December 24, 2017 10:35 PM  

How do large companies go bankrupt? Little, by little, by little, then all at once.
Add to this that apparently Matt Damon is box office poison now. He'll probably "take a break" from acting to work on a farm too.

Not gonna lie, I'm enjoying this way too much.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey December 24, 2017 10:37 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:You should have told the whole franchise to GTFO way back then.  You failed.  Get over it.

Well excuse me for criticizing Star Wars on a thread whose main topic seems to be ... criticizing Star Wars. Merry Christmas, pal.

The prequels were bad, very bad, as most of us widely said. A total loss of faith in George Lucas as film director resulted. The Last Jedi has managed to do the unthinkable. It has made even the horrid Lucas prequels look better in comparison.

Never thought that was possible, frankly. But that's what happened.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey December 24, 2017 10:46 PM  

Additionally, I reject this "not the intended generation" argument, too. Nobody here is of the targeted generation for Toy Story. Most of us would agree it's a marvelous film.

Quality is timeless and enduring. Targeting a generation for appeal? That's just marketing, and it's trivial (and also one of the big mistakes that gave us Jar Jar).

Anonymous Wooly December 24, 2017 11:07 PM  

Merry Christmas, Vox and Ilk.

Thanks for the books, Vox, and all of you for another year of your knowledge, insights, and love.

First site I read, each morning, each evening, after scanning Drudge. Posts and comments.

Peace to men of good will, indeed.

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis December 24, 2017 11:11 PM  

The only parts of Rogue One that didn't suck balls were the scenes with Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader.

So about 8 minutes out of a 2-hour, 13-minute film.

Blogger Ben Cohen December 24, 2017 11:11 PM  

Continued: Tie Fighter the game had a better storyline and music; the black fleet crisis; the Jedi academy trilogy; the x-wing series books; the courtship of princess Leia.

They're making hand solo the movie. You think they're going to take anything from the books?

Anonymous HL December 24, 2017 11:19 PM  

Awareness is spreading about convergence and how it kills the bottom line as well as the legacy of generations.


Frankly, I'd assumed you were already consulting on it. I'm sure it would be lucrative as well as turn back the cultural wars tide in a big way. In the end though, do it to watch the sheer terror among corporate sjws worldwide.

Blogger OGRE December 24, 2017 11:19 PM  

Wooly wrote:

First site I read, each morning, each evening, after scanning Drudge.


First site of each day for me as well, even before Zerohedge and Drudge. And usually before my email as well.

Merry Christmas, and may the glory of His holy birth bring joy to you all.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett December 24, 2017 11:22 PM  

Merry Christmas, Vox and everyone else!

Blogger Geoarrge December 25, 2017 12:05 AM  

You could do a remake of the prequel trilogy, keep relatively faithful to the original storyline, and come out with something decent. With the same degree of treatment applied to the Disney sequels, you would still get a mess. And it wouldn't bring Grand Admiral Thrawn back.

Anonymous Weak December 25, 2017 12:05 AM  

Killing Han was acceptable. We all knew how much Harrison Ford hated the character. We got to say goodbye to him and it was fine. We knew the deal going in.

Killing Luke? He had to die sometime. He's a Jedi, not Jesus. A legendary heroic death worthy of a Jedi grand master is expected. Instead we got that hot mess.

That's the problem. The old heroes can die off if their death is heroic. Like say, when Obi Wan sacrificed himself to let Luke & company escape, becoming more powerful than Vader could imagine. Now that's how a hero goes out.

Blogger Doomfinger December 25, 2017 12:07 AM  

They killed Ackbar too, and I saw an utterly stupid defense of it.

And look at what happened to Wolfenstein. BJ Blaskowicz was beheaded and attached to the body of a gay man? WTF? SJW's did what the Nazis could not.

Blogger Pseudotsuga December 25, 2017 12:08 AM  

But...but... SJW members of my family like it! How can it be so bad?! Surely they are the secret kings to whom all narratives must pay tribute...

Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 12:18 AM  

I am sure there is a psychologist that can give the appropriate buzz word to explain the urge to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. It does not happen that often....the special goose, or the tragic death of the goose....but it always seems like senseless slaughter, so terribly short sighted and....in the end....self destructive.

We see the same thing with tearing down old monuments and statues. The same rejection of history as written, which ignores what young people are told is much more important....like which gender and race you prefer to be this week.

It does not seem to be jealousy or envy, since no one would care to be a goose, pushing out golden eggs for someone else.

The only way I can try to explain it is some sort of hubris...WE must be better and smarter and more thoughtful and more clever than those damned Boomers. So we do not have to do anything the same way they did, especially when it comes to science fiction. WE are the new and improved Pepsi Generation and we don't have to ride their crap anymore. So let's change it until it is no longer THEIR story, it is OUR story now and WE own it. Who gives a fig if the fans hate it? It does not matter what they like. WE are in charge now.

Anonymous Battlefrog December 25, 2017 12:25 AM  

I really like the consultancy idea. If not you, then please someone.

A lot of the corporate types don't seem to understand something is needed until someone literally tries to sell it to them.

Blogger NO GOOGLES December 25, 2017 12:46 AM  

Everyone knew Han was going to die. He died but he didn't betray his values or his character. Luke literally abandons ALL of his heroic values, his dedication to good, and the Jedi, then he dies a pretty inexplicable and very lame death. They basically just put Luke in this movie long enough to have him reject everything people liked about Luke in the original trilogy and to show that Rey was more powerful and somehow more knowledgeable of the Force, then killed him in a way that makes no real sense and is a massive copout.

That's why people were hit so hard with Luke's death compared to Han. Han's character from the original trilogy died with his values intact. Luke rejected all of his values, acted like a weak coward, then basically did the Star Wars equivalent of dying on the toilet.

Anonymous DTA December 25, 2017 12:54 AM  

Somewhat off topic, saw "Darkest Hour" today. Wonderful movie. The treatment of Churchill reminds me of the deep state's treatment of Trump. Your mileage may differ.

Anonymous Magna Carta December 25, 2017 12:58 AM  

@22 Timmy3 said "Unclear how killing Luke is considered convergence. It’s just bad storytelling."

Probably got the idea from Bill O'Reilly's killing book series.
Killing Patton, Killing Kennedy, Killing Lincoln, Killing Jesus.

"Star Wars: Killing Luke" by Bill O'Reilly

Blogger Thucydides December 25, 2017 1:12 AM  

There were a multitude of wonderful potential storylines which *could* have been explored, and when even a person like myself (I admit I would make a very indifferent storyteller) can see them, then it is pretty obvious that the corporate cultures of Disney and Lucasfilm either have no ability to cultivate storytelling talent, or are actively surpassing it for SJW goals (and based on the commentary *everywhere*, it seems the fans understand it is the second option in effect).

Two possible stories from this new Star Wars "Universe" would be to actually explore the implications of Luke's speech in the second teaser trailer for "The Force Awakens" ("The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power too"). And if the "Last Jedi" was about closing out the Jedi or rethinking how the Force is to be used, then there could be a clear link between The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.

Rogue One had an interesting critique from a staff officer, which talked about how the operation was entirely slapdash and from the seat of people pants (a more polite metaphor than I was thinking of). Imagine the film recast as the team actually going over planning scenarios, finding the flaws and rejecting them (maybe doing simulations for some "action" sequences) until they reach that "aha" moment when they realize they have a workable plan. Then the next act is them executing the plan, with the inevitable frictions and "unknown unknowns" suddenly raising themselves as the plan is executed......

Well, while I'm not normally a fan of comics, I am a fan of good storytelling, so Alt-Hero might be the closest thing to an enjoyable cinematic SF experience in the near future....

Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 1:28 AM  

Magna Carta wrote:And still the 10 highest-grossing films adjusted for inflation are...

Gone with the Wind 1939

Avatar 2009

Star Wars 1977

Titanic 1997

The Sound of Music 1965

E.T. 1982

The Ten Commandments 1956

Doctor Zhivago 1965

Jaws 1975

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937


Gross revenues are always nice to have and certainly these film sold a lot of movie tickets. But success is not measured by tickets, it is measured by profits. It would be difficult to justify a movie that simply recovered its production costs, no matter how artistic. When we divide gross revenues by production budgets, we get the following list: (also Wiki)

Gone with the Wind 1939 $94.53/$cost

Avatar 2009 $11.76/$cost

Star Wars 1977 $68.66/$cost

Titanic 1997 $10.94/$cost

The Sound of Music 1965 $35.78/$cost

E.T. 1982 $64.99/$cost

The Ten Commandments 1956 $6.79/$cost

Doctor Zhivago 1965 $10.15/$cost

Jaws 1975 $52.29/$cost

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937
$281.83/$cost

Compare these figures to movies that did not make the Wikipedia list:

Birth of A Nation 1915 $909.09/$cost
Bambi 1942 $134.00/$cost
Ben-Hur 1959 $5.66/$cost
Spartacus 1960 $5.83/$cost
Psycho 1960 $62.50/$cost
Lawrence of Arabia 1961 $5.60/$cost
The Jungle Book 1967 $42.70/$cost
The Exorcist 1973 $41.31/$cost
The Empire Strikes Back 1980 $17.12/$
Return of the Jedi 1983 $11.13/$

Anonymous TheBoom December 25, 2017 1:33 AM  

Vox's idea of a consultancy is a great one. While he has the insight to make it work, Vox may not have the brand image at this stage to sign major public companies. Likely any CEO who would hire Vox would get accused of hiring a Nazi by the press and lose his job. This is such a good idea that it will be a major threat.

That said, I hope he does it. Probably best to start with private companies with no immediate plan to go public for the early adopter clients. As the sjw get increasingly deranged and the economic problems they cause get worse, public companies in a few years may be ready for this.

Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 1:38 AM  

The Godfather 1972 is worthy of mention at $46.13/$cost.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 25, 2017 1:46 AM  

@37 Weak

Yup. Luke dying could have fit all of the themes, but he needed to be the one to kill Snoke. And it needed to be a huge event that let the "rebels" escape, which would have had direct homage to Obi-wan's sacrifice.

If they really understood the material better, they could have setup the next films as well, with Luke taking out Snoke & ship, then Kylo & Rey flying off in different directions. "Which side do you chose?" would be the tag-line for the next marketing.

However, they'd have had to completely rework the entire Kylo vs Luke storyline (which wouldn't have been hard), and setup the "Gray Jedi". But that takes addressing some key issues with the Force, the way the Jedi Order was run and why the Sith acted as they did.

Blogger VD December 25, 2017 2:27 AM  

Unclear how killing Luke is considered convergence. It’s just bad storytelling.

No, it's much more than just that.

If you are running with this idea, I will definitely contact you for details on how to be a client.

I am going to do this. I've already written part of the inevitable business book that is de rigueur for any elite consultant called CORPORATE CANCER. It's also going to be the subject of a future Voxiversity or three.

if you run with this, I will e-mail for rate inquiries.

I think that's more for the clients to tell me, but feel free to email... on the 26th.

Vox may not have the brand image at this stage to sign major public companies.

I don't. Given the inevitable resistance, it will be necessary to develop some iron-clad metrics showing success. Sounds like a Brainstorm topic....

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 25, 2017 2:48 AM  

“Peace to men of good will, indeed.”

Merry Christmas to all, especially to our esteemed host.

Just to brighten up your prospects for the new year, I have long appreciated the implied threat in the quoted text above, to those not of good will.

Still not tired.

2018 is going to be double plus good.

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 2:59 AM  

Indeed. George Locust destroyed his own franchise before ever he flogged it off to the SJW's at Disney.
But I'm not here to talk nonsense to Bob Loblaw.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 25, 2017 3:33 AM  

@51 VD

"Corporate Cancer" sounds like a best-selling business book. Even the name fits. Be sure deal with the MBA vector for so much of the SJW nonsense. The converged business schools make infiltration easier.

Actually, thinking on it, I'm not sure I've met anyone in a decade that said they got anything valuable out of their MBA program. Removing "credentialed incompetents" is probably its own book.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) December 25, 2017 4:18 AM  

43. NO GOOGLES December 25, 2017 12:46 AM
Han's character from the original trilogy died with his values intact. Luke rejected all of his values, acted like a weak coward, then



wat?

Han literally ran away from Leia and Ben, that's why he was blockade running again in TFA. all the growth that Han had shown over the original trilogy, the attaching of himself to larger ideals than who he was going to scam tomorrow and the willingness to risk his own personal well being were his character arc over the original trilogy.

TFA crapped all over Han as well.

i haven't seen it, but one of the largest problems with TLJ seems to be that it cuts it's own purported "ideals" off at the knees. Fat Asian Chick prevents Finn from sacrificing himself in a suicide attack, telling him that it's more important to "save what you love" than it is to kill your enemies.

and then Admiral Purple Hair commits suicide to kill her enemies.

wait, wut?

amusingly, not even Socialists like TLJ:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/12/19/jedi-d19.html

Anonymous Robert the Wise December 25, 2017 4:46 AM  

"I am seriously thinking of starting a corporate consultancy to help established companies avoid becoming converged by diagnosing convergence and treating it early."

Do it! Couldn't hurt.
I'd do it but who would listen to me?

Anonymous Laz December 25, 2017 5:14 AM  

"Then there’s the easy defeat of the empire in The Phantom Menace."

Thousands of Gungan and Naboo dead isn't an easy victory. And if you're talking about Anakin easily blowing up the blockade ship, that is consistent with the original trilogy. That was one battle in a war that was lost. Remember, the prequels were about the rise of Empire and the beginning of the rebellion.

Anonymous Laz December 25, 2017 5:17 AM  

"The only parts of Rogue One that didn't suck balls were the scenes with Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader."

...and only one of those actors wasn't completely CGI

Blogger Miguel December 25, 2017 5:34 AM  

Vox, arent you supposed to be "lazy"?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 25, 2017 5:42 AM  

"Peace to those on whom his favor rests."
Merry Christ Mass all y'all

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 5:48 AM  

It is interesting to watch Disney kill off Star Wars.

It is also interesting to think of how many companies are going broke because of the SJW infestation inside. From the outside, many will think that it is just "market forces" killing them off. But after reading VD's two books on SJWs (just finished the second one) I see that many companies are just not going to make it due to the cancer of SJWs.

We should start a list of the most weakened companies due to SJWs employees.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 25, 2017 6:21 AM  

I was right. The Boxoffice fall off is a nearly tectonic shift of 69%.



Batman V Superman's was 69.%



The third of the new Star Wars movies is performing as badly as a DC Comics movie.



This is the beginning of the end for Kathleen Kennedy because I am now becoming positive that Solo: A Star Wars Film by Star Wars is going to be the first of the actual money losers.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 6:37 AM  

> I am going to do this.

May God grant you success in your quest to cleanse the corporate stables.

Anonymous FrankNorman December 25, 2017 6:38 AM  

Personally, I wasn't too disappointed in any of the Disney-made SW movies, but that's because I went to see them expecting it to be just "More StarWars" - same old cliche stuff. Snoke as a rip-off of Palpatine worked fine for me, for example. I expect StarWars to be stupid. DisneyWars so far has met my low standards quite well.

And I enjoyed the bit where Finn conclusively defeated Girl Vader - sorry, Captain Plasma or whatever she was called.

Blogger Shimshon December 25, 2017 6:38 AM  

@60 Cataline Sergius, they'll revive Direct to Video especially for the Han Solo movie.

Anonymous FrankNorman December 25, 2017 6:42 AM  

The trick to enjoying this stuff is: don't take any of it too seriously.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 25, 2017 6:44 AM  

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=openingweekendshowdown.htm

~69% drop from Weekend 1 to Weekend 2. That's brutal for any blockbuster class movie, but TLJ is the 2nd largest opening weekend and it's doing the drop like Batman v Superman. It'll still do over $500 million USD in the US Domestic market, but that's clearly going to force changes.

Then there's the issue that this might bomb out in Asia, and we don't know what "new" toy sales are like. Chewbacca will always sell, but Ewoks might be selling better than Porgs still. We'll never see the numbers, but if they start firing executives, we know.

It's the split between extreme visual competence and the extreme desire to destroy what made Star Wars the cash cow it is. What loathsome creatures SJWs are.

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 6:45 AM  

We need to pool knowledge of SJW infested companies and short their stocks.

Anonymous Mace Dindu December 25, 2017 6:53 AM  

“The new film’s plot holes and a messy storyline are good fodder for critics, but let’s leave that for them. In the meantime, it’s hard not to watch the First Order picking off rebel ships and think of the first several weeks of the Trump administration; the onslaught of attacks on everything from immigrant rights to the environment. This is a long fight, and a lot of people will die. Victories are few and far between, and casualties are mounting. “The Last Jedi” self-consciously brings the rebellion into the resistance. Let your heroes and old dogmas die. Rebel scum have nothing to lose but their chains.
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/24/star-wars-last-jedi-class-politics/

Anonymous Looking Glass December 25, 2017 6:58 AM  

@67 Mace Dindu

Caught a link to that earlier. Since SJWs always project, clearly the writer wants to project that he, too, is an utterly incompetent loser.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 25, 2017 7:12 AM  

Shimshon wrote:@60 Cataline Sergius, they'll revive Direct to Video especially for the Han Solo movie.

Oooooh yes. That would even be clever way to save face.

Disney is launching it's own streaming service in a few months.

"See Solo: A Star Wars Movie By Star Wars, ONLY on Disney Streaming."

Anonymous Steveo December 25, 2017 7:34 AM  

I saw it.
I wish I hadn't.
If Luke were the alcoholic of Jedis...
then this was the ragged out skid row almost redemption that no one cared to hang around to see. His entire life & Jedi prowess, spent for a few moments delay.

I'm out too.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 25, 2017 7:42 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=openingweekendshowdown.htm

~69% drop from Weekend 1 to Weekend 2. That's brutal for any blockbuster class movie, but TLJ is the 2nd largest opening weekend and it's doing the drop like Batman v Superman. It'll still do over $500 million USD in the US Domestic market, but that's clearly going to force changes.

Then there's the issue that this might bomb out in Asia, and we don't know what "new" toy sales are like. Chewbacca will always sell, but Ewoks might be selling better than Porgs still. We'll never see the numbers, but if they start firing executives, we know.

It's the split between extreme visual competence and the extreme desire to destroy what made Star Wars the cash cow it is. What loathsome creatures SJWs are.


It is with considerable confidence that I predict that the double down dance will begin in earnest shortly.

The reason TLJ underperformed was due to all of the brave Social Justice stuff and had nothing to do with it being a badly crafted, poorly written, utterly tone deaf movie that left life long fans screaming, "George Lucas, all is forgiven! Come back to us! We beg you!"

Nope. it was all the forty year old, stupid, man-babies living in their mom's basements, who would rather date their Hentai Waifus than a super terrific girl like Rose. They should be grateful a girl like Rose would even give them the time of day let alone go out with them. Why do they think they are so much better than Rose. WHY WON'T THEY GIVE ROSE CHANCE! I CAN'T EVEN! I'M GOING TO BEN AND JERRY'S!

Blogger pdwalker December 25, 2017 7:50 AM  

Two possible stories from this new Star Wars "Universe" would be to actually explore the implications of Luke's speech in the second teaser trailer for "The Force Awakens" ("The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power too").

Thucydides, I strongly suspect that whatever the original script was, it was thrown out for the trash they decided to crap out of their SJW posteriors.

Someone smart could throw out the currently story line, write a proper script and save the franchise were they so interested - especially if they do it while the important actors are still alive.

They won't though, so some fan might end up doing it instead.

Anonymous Weak December 25, 2017 7:58 AM  

@Looking Glass

Yes! You nailed it. That would have been brilliant. And tied into RotJ, in that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy and brought balance to the force. So Luke and all future Jedi could be "Gray Jedi". That would have made sense and been fricking epic.

You should be a studio executive at Castalia Films

Blogger The Observer December 25, 2017 8:07 AM  

Then there's the issue that this might bomb out in Asia,

Vast majority of Chinese women I've encountered were either uncomfortable or openly disgusted at the idea of a black man kissing an asian woman, even a fat, ugly one.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 25, 2017 8:46 AM  

I think corporate sabotage might be an easier sale. But that is not really an original since Limbaugh always has said that we need to export liberalism to our enemies.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 25, 2017 9:06 AM  

@73 Weak

The fascinating thing is that the way to solve the problem that Star Wars has is sitting over in the Marvel branch. Say what you will about the Marvel movies, but they're consistently turning out watchable films, on time, with obscure characters. Marvel has an internal system for production that's different from the rest of the industry, and it's noticeable.

The main problem that Hollywood has is the way they structure the production then re-write everything so many times that the plot always gets badly out of whack. The Russo Brothers (recent 2 Captain America movies) did a discussion with Screen Junkies about trying to avoid the problems that "Honest Trailers" always brings up. It resulted in a much more logically cohesive plot, even if there is always issues in every movie.

For a smaller, up-start studio, work flow has to be somewhat different than what is done now. You lock down your producer, then you either bring in a Director and work the script out with him (the Hitchcock approach), or you have your producer and team of writers plot & script out a licensed property, then bring in a director & lead actors (workmen-like approach). Main keys are a Producer that's the "CEO" of the project (so ultimately responsible and the final say) and the plot & script are nailed down before you go into pre-production.

There's also some deep issues with the financial structure of a movie that would need to be approached in a radically different manner than currently happens. You need to destroy any ((Hollywood Accounting)) issues, which is why so much is done on Gross Revenue. (My thought is that you would setup each Production as its own Company. Ends up working a tad like a Silicon Valley start-up for funding, if needed.)

This is basically a template for the Topeka, KS film industry creation. Haha. The easiest approach would be to turn out competent Westerns every year, while building up the new system. You'd need investment in the 50-80 million USD range to really get going. And lots of morals clauses in your contracts.

Once it's up and running well, then the trick is slowly branching out. There are a lot of good, older actors that can draw an audience for a well-budgeted movie. This is pretty much the Clint Eastwood playbook, but you can bring the actor in and craft a movie around them. You're not looking for movies that need to open with 100 million USD to break even.

Then the real trick is to replicate your business in China. Take a good collection of Chinese Christians and produce a really solid output of "local" movies. Non-Western movies almost always have severe plot, pacing and editing issues. There are exceptions, but it's rare, thus it behooves the wise planner to leverage a system that can produce consistent, quality output in a market with a much less consistent output. (You also avoid the soulless movie problem we have now.)


@74 The Observer

And they were holding back. Weibo and 2ch are probably going to go berserk. They're going to take it as a very deep insult. Foreign openings are already lower than TFA by around 20%, and those long-tail effects are going to be lower. I'm going to say the movie makes 1.3 billion USD in ticket sales by the end, which is around a 35% decrease. It'll pay Rogue One, but it won't be by that much.

At this clip, the next trilogy movie could actually lose money, while the "Solo" movie could be a disaster. And, somehow, EA still screwed up worse with Star Wars this year.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid December 25, 2017 9:13 AM  

Best wishes for a very merry Christmas to our gracious host and his family, and all the VFM and Ilk and lurkers out there.

I thought Han dying in TFA actually completed his character arc: from someone who kept running, who was afraid to go all-in, he gave his life to try and save his son. Han "grew up" in that moment. And from the "hero's journey," it was obvious that Luke was going to die, either in TLJ or whatever comes next, so Rey could become the new hero. But by having Luke do astral projection, rather than show up in person, Disney branded Luke Skywalker a coward, and had him die a coward's death.

After watching that awful movie, I was struck by the sheer amount of hate it must have taken to make it. As it has been said, they want you and your families broken and dead. They hate you and everything you love, even something as relatively benign as the movies you enjoyed as children, and they aim to take it all from you.

I'm done with Star Wars and Disney. No Episode IX for me, no more Avengers, no more merchandise from Disney franchises, none of it. I don't do twitter (and according to Drudge, neither does Julian Assange, anymore!) but is there some #starvethemouse thing going on? No "Letter to Star Wars Fans" by some Disney PR hack or other fake apologies will do it for me. This story was approved all the way to the top; nobody said "no."

Anonymous Weak December 25, 2017 9:23 AM  

Looks like Looking Glass actually is making his pitch here to be COO of Castalia Films. Because that makes a ton of sense.

Blogger Silly but True December 25, 2017 9:31 AM  

George Lucas is far from furious. $4 billion cash in hand allows one to accomodate a pretty large amount of offenses against good taste.

Anonymous BBGKB December 25, 2017 9:57 AM  

Unclear how killing Luke is considered convergence. It’s just bad storytelling.

The last white star boomer gave his live for DieVerseCity, & Jar Jar Chinks, after destroying the records of white culture that yoda pointed out he didn't bother reading all that time alone on Jedi island.

Blogger JRH, esq. December 25, 2017 10:20 AM  

>> Unclear how killing Luke is considered convergence.

Heroic white male rendered un-heroic then dies, leaving a female in his place who is better than him in every possible way without any effort or trial.

It's like you said something without thinking at all.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 25, 2017 11:04 AM  

The scene with Luke milking the sea cow decided me. Not going to watch it.

Blogger jimmy_the_freak December 25, 2017 11:36 AM  

Merry Christmas! Who would've thought a year ago that these people would be potentially paying for their crimes? Meme magic does exist! It's a Christmas miracle!

Anonymous Heywood December 25, 2017 12:24 PM  

crapulux wrote:We need to pool knowledge of SJW infested companies and short their stocks.
When I read @markstoval's post my first thought was "wouldn't an ILK SHORT LIST be a great idea?" Because it is. Could start by putting up a wiki list - I'd love to see it on infogalactic, but it probably does not mesh with their operating goals.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 25, 2017 12:50 PM  

Lowe's HR policies are full-on SJW.

Blogger tublecane December 25, 2017 1:21 PM  

@38-That was one of them dime-a-dozen "here's why you're wrong, stupid fanboy" internet articles, and not worthy of response. But I'll say they're right, Admiral Ackbar is not a beloved character, nor is he important to the story.

He is a memorable character, and the progenitor of one of the most popular internet memes. People may or may not want to see him again, I don't know. But what that stupid article intentionally avoids addressing is that killing him offscreen is an intentional kick to the balls of fans. There's no reason the movie couldn't just leave him out or not address whether or not he died, like with the non-character they tried to shove down people's throats: Tall Lady Stormtrooper.

If they're going to caress the audience with pointless nostalgic allusions, I suppose they can take the bitter with the better and accept disrespectful anti-nostalgia, too. It doesn't really matter with Ackbar. It's a travesty when it's Luke or Han. It's just that these movies are supposed to please people. What's up with going out of your way to anger them?

Blogger tublecane December 25, 2017 1:25 PM  

@40-Since this is a Star Wars movie*, can't we just call it the Oedipal Complex?

*"[They're] like poetry, sort of. They rhyme." -George Lucas.

Anonymous Supreme Quart Justice December 25, 2017 1:35 PM  

With____ you lose

Oy Vey!

Blogger tublecane December 25, 2017 1:50 PM  

@22-But you know the Empire (I'm not going to bother calling them the First Order, or whatever) won't lose. There's a reason libs aren't upset even though the Nazis won the day. They're supposed to win this round, because it's the Empire Strikes Back (with a dash of Return of the Jedi in the throne room for no good reason).

The insurgents, who were the Galactic Republic half a second ago, are going to be victorious in the next movie, duh. Wouldn't it be better if instead of being led by Grrl Power, they were at least inspired by a white male hippy rebel with a background rooted in a spiritual order with a tradition of defending peace and freedom in the galaxy for thousands of generations?

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 2:29 PM  

Here's my alternate script:

Kylo captures Rei and has her tied up. He is about to kill her in a most gruesome way. Snokes' hologram projection watches the scene, looking smug and encouraging him.

Luke crashes the party, eliminates the Praetorian guards with ease, then duels with Kylo while redpilling him and bringing him back from the dark side.

During the fight, Kylo wounds Luke, but Luke goes on. Luke wins the fight anyway and has Kylo lying on the floor with the tip of his lightsaber on his throat. Kylo flips sides.

Once properly redpilled, Kylo frees up Rey.

Snokes arrives. The two youngsters are not ready to fight him yet. Luke goes heroic and stays to duel Snoke to let them escape.

Luke is wounded, so the duel goes wrong, and he gets killed. Kylo knows it's his fault and will have to manage this guilt. However, Luke also leaves Snoke with a nasty wound which will handicap him.

In the next episode, the two young jedi train with Yoda, Kenobi and Luke's ghost. They fight Snokes together.

When Snokes is about to win, the wound inflicted by Luke causes him to miss. Critical failure: they butcher him.

This would be properly heroic, Snokes is killed both by Luke and by the new characters, Luke gets to die a hero, Emo Ren gets heroic but is still emo, and Rey gets to play the damsel in distress a bit.

If Kylo needs more motivation to flip sides, Leia should get killed by Snokes.



Blogger tublecane December 25, 2017 2:31 PM  

@25-Han was the more popular character, but Luke was the protagonist. The original series was his story more than anyone's. And though kids may have fought over who gets to play Han, when they watched the movies they'd be more likely to identify with Luke.

Unless they were a girl, in which case they might identify with the Princess. Here's part of the difference between the poor treatment of Han and the poor treatment of Luke. Rey is the new Luke, and representative of Grrl Power. She needs affirmative action help to get there, apparently, because Luke was allowed as little heroism as possible. Han at least got to be killed by the bad guy in person, instead of dying far away for no apparent reason.

They regressed both male original series leads. (The Princess was a bitter old lady and a failure like the rest of them, but at least she was a general.) If they dragged Han through the mud only to kill him off without really affecting much, he got an arc of sorts. Because he was jammed into the Obi Wan slot. Luke was not Yoda. He wasn't really anything. Just a sad, old man who had given up, who didn't really train Rey, and who finally astrally projected himself like a coward and died for no reason.

It wouldn't have been so bad if Luke ran away to gather his strength and wait for "another" to come so he could train him or her.* Then if they gave him a crappy death at least he wasn't a cowardly, smelly bum. Or, of they had made him a cowardly, smelly bum who partly redeemed himself IN PERSON, people wouldn't have complained so vociferously. But the filmmakers could give Luke nothing! Nothing but delaying the Nazis half a second with a parlor trick.

Which means they must have done it deliberately. They dragged his name through the mud with no redemption because "Screw you, Luke." Worse, since we know Carrie Fisher is dead, that's it. The big three characters from the original series are gone (Chewy never really counted, which is why he didn't get a medal) and we're left with the crappy new cast. None of which anyone likes, except maybe the soccer ball robot.

When Han died, at least you could stay "Luke and Leia, the wonder twins, are still around."

*It still would have been bad, because it violates Luke's character. In Return of the Jedi, Luke faces certain death for the chance to help his father redeem himself, because he knows there's good in him. Despite filial piety, Luke had infinitely more reason to kill Vader than Kylo Ren, who was both his nephew and student. Which lent him a responsibility. Luke wasn't Yoda or Obi Wan. He wasn't responsible for Vader's miseducation. Also, Vader had already committed tons of evil, whereas with Kylo it was merely speculative.

Didn't Yoda tell us prophetic visions only give a glimpse of a possible future. Yet the same Luke who put down his lightsaber in ROTJ is so dang sure of Kylo's future evil that he wants to kill him? Balderdash!

Then after being at least temporarily bested by his crafty nephew, he pulls himself out of a smoldering rubble only to run and hide? Not only that, but give up entirely and destroy the Jedi Order forever? Balderdash!

That's simply not Luke Skywalker. Production must know that, and deliberately miswrote him for purposes of "Screw you, original series."

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 2:36 PM  

The lie was that Luke was ever a hero. Torching his heritage as a worthless demoralized old loser is the one true act the Boomer ever did. Neither the Communists nor the Nazis need him.

Blogger tublecane December 25, 2017 3:36 PM  

@92-The rebels are only commies because they the good guys and the movies are being written by SJWs. Granted, George Lucas had in mind a sort of U.S. Empire versus indigenous Vietnamese story in the original. But that wasn't to promote communism. He was more a typically naive New Lefter (if he was that, even; I don't actually know) who despised his own country as it was and didn't think too critically about his enemies.

You could easily pretend the original rebels were American patriots to the Empire's evil British Empie. That wouldn't make them commies, unless you're Moldbug.

Boomers like Lucas were still able tp project goodness and order into the past, even if they were New Leftists. So he created the idea of an Old Republic, guarded by knights of the Jedi Order in peace for a thousand generations. That was only broken by an evil wizard's coup, with the help of a fallen Jedi hero. Luke was trained by the last two remaining Jedi, and representated a living link to Tradition.

The choice was not between commies and nazis merely. There was also the Old Order. Which you may argue didn't deserve to last because it was run by corrupt or weak bureaucrats and ineffectual hippies. But it lasted an awful long time. And despite the recurrence of Sithism, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be restored.

Unlike the Old U.S. Republic, which I don't think can ne restored. When our empire breaks up, however, I'd like to think any number of smaller nations on this territory could be run by people with a connection to Tradition, rather than a bunch of commies and nazis.

Anonymous Joe Keenan December 25, 2017 4:18 PM  

Star Wars started declining as George pushed his first wife away. She was the talent, she had an ear for drama, George, not so much.

If you doubt this, consider, George gave us episodes 1/2/3, the bride 4/5 and some of 6.

George gave us Ewoks on Endor, Marcia would of given us Wookies ripping Storm Troopers arms off.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/the-secret-weapon-behind-star-wars/news-story/75eb078a8b14d93fce23b06e98805ffb

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 5:01 PM  

Would of? It’s would HAVE jackass!

Blogger Joe Keenan December 25, 2017 5:07 PM  

Oh, and Hans Solo is North West Smith!

Blogger Joe Keenan December 25, 2017 5:08 PM  

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Blogger Joe Keenan December 25, 2017 5:09 PM  

I am not a slave to grammar, I prefer "of"

Blogger Joe Keenan December 25, 2017 5:19 PM  

If grammar did not constrain The Bard, why should it me?

http://www.dean.sbc.edu/tamburr.html

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 8:52 PM  

The latest Star Wars have bombed, because it's essentially the first trilogy retold, but with added DIVERSITY!
- Anthony Nonymous

Anonymous Looking Glass December 26, 2017 5:36 AM  

TLJ could stretch to $600 million USD at the "domestic" box office. (This actually includes Canada, if you didn't know.) We'll see, but something else interesting that's happened at the same time.

The Reviews for "Bright", the Will Smith movie on Netflix, have been bad, and the audiences have rated it as pretty solid. Which means we have two high-profile works with wildly different Audience vs Critic reactions. Which means we've got the new #GG boiling. So it is only a matter of time before this blows up wildly and Critics start writing articles about movie fans being terrible people.

We may be 6 months out, but it's going to be some glorious tweets from Trump.

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