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Saturday, December 16, 2017

Learning to be the boss

PA has a good three-part series for gammas who find themselves in positions of authority for which they are ill-prepared:
A reader writes:

I’ve been a Gamma for most of my adult life, and now I am a boss. In my last job I had a real hard time keeping my female subordinates under control, even though I was starting to learn Game theory because the concepts were new to me. I’m still not very good at mastering Alpha behavior yet and I’m trying to implement it at a rate that I can maintain because it’s alien to me.  Can you direct me to examples of Gamma behavior in bosses to help me identify what to avoid?

A quick explanation of jargon. “Gamma” refers to a man who is, for a variety of reasons, low on the socio-sexual scale as outlined on Vox Day’s “Alpha Game” page HERE. Additional discussion about gammas picks up at Alpha Game earlier this year in a continuing series by his guest-blogger Delta Man. If you are interested, look for posts tagged “gamma” or “delta.” “Alpha” refers to apex-male position on the socio-sexual hierarchy.

First, let’s take a step back for a moment. If you observe interpersonal dynamics across a variety of classes, professions, and social milieus, you will come across ordinary men, some of whom may be intelligent — sometimes brilliant — or otherwise interesting. Others may be unassuming and not good conversationalists or not come across as having ever been an honors student. Some will be nice, pleasant guys, others will be brusque or gruff. But those men will have one quality in common: while they are not exceptional as leaders, they are liked and respected by others. They are called deltas.

A delta can be an engineer who can lead a technical team. He can be a Marine in a “band of brothers” combat unit. He can be a middle manager who keeps a department running, a competent foreman or a mechanic, a successful musician, a waiter who does his job well. Most men who are trusted, whose judgment is respected by other men, and who are satisfied with their place in this world are deltas. The difference between deltas and the minority of men who are higher on Vox’s socio-sexual scale (alphas, sigmas, betas) is that deltas are not gifted with a dominant personality or extraordinary sexual charisma.

And now, on to gammas. The dividing line between a delta and a gamma is that other men respect deltas but not gammas. Likewise, women are comfortable around deltas (sometimes too comfortable) but are uneasy around gammas.

So what the hell is this gamma? My shorthand for them is “alpha ambition without the alpha goods.” They are restless, depressive, introspective, sarcastic, snarky, visibly bitter, passive-aggressive, cowardly in confrontation, and deluded about their rightful social status. You will find gammas among condescending nerds as well as in high places like law and politics. If you get involved in left wing/progressive activism — especially feminist politics — most men you’ll come across are going to be gammas.
Deltas tend to make ineffective bosses. Gammas tend to make horrific ones that take down entire departments with them. One of the most important things you can do, in any organization, is ensure that your organizational hierarchy is in harmony with the socio-sexual hierarchy. That doesn't mean you won't have problems, there are always problems, but things tend to work a lot better when everyone isn't at everyone else's throats.

If you find yourself in charge, your very first priority is to find Betas to act as your lieutenants. You will have to challenge them regularly to make their own decisions and to delegate, but they are valuable precisely because they have the ability to take charge of their own areas of responsibility without ever feeling the need to waste time on foolishly challenging you.

Your second priority should be to clear out and reassign those whose responsibilities are not in harmony with their sociosexual status. You're going to have to fire your Gamma managers sooner or later, so get rid of them before they cause your best Deltas to quit. Return the Deltas who are in over their heads due to the Peter Principle to their previous positions where they were successful, just don't reduce their pay or organizational status. Break the link between managerial responsibilities and organizational status; a star Delta programmer who is happy and successful working on his own is usually much more more important to the organization than the average Alpha executive.

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Blogger Aeoli Pera December 16, 2017 11:15 AM  

Deltas are not even comfortable with interns reporting to them, even though the status difference ought to be confidence-inspiring. They get a deer in headlights reaction. They'll try their best (it's their *job*, after all) but will become frustrated quickly and easily.

Anonymous Critically Bent December 16, 2017 11:18 AM  

"a star Delta programmer who is happy and successful working on his own is usually much more more important to the organization than the average Alpha executive."

OOoooo, really good point.

People are pushing the Deltas up out of those valuable roles because they recognize that the Deltas deserve to be rewarded.

Promotion is just the assumed way to reward someone.

Boy, I'd rather just get paid more and still get to do the job I love rather than get promoted.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 16, 2017 11:20 AM  

That cringeworthy video Lee Jackson posted was really good at showing this: http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-lion.html

Deltas simply aren't comfortable applying social pressure. They're just fine in a give-and-take social reciprocity situation, but in high-pressure situations their tendency is to yield to the strongest horse in the room.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 16, 2017 11:22 AM  

Critically Bent wrote:People are pushing the Deltas up out of those valuable roles because they recognize that the Deltas deserve to be rewarded.

Promotion is just the assumed way to reward someone.


It's a bit crass to say so out loud, but it's because they want the valuable Deltas to get laid and you do that by giving them social proof.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 16, 2017 11:24 AM  

If I can say to the younger men here the Vox ranking system and critique is valuable beyond measure.

The gamma traits of my personality were there stabbing my delta traits, how much better my life would have been if my gamma side was taken out back and shot so my delta side could have flourished.

And I agree wholeheartedly with statement #1, but I can trace part of that to my gamma frustrations.

Anonymous Jeff December 16, 2017 11:30 AM  

My Dad used to say that in his business, there were Finders, Minders and Grinders.

Sounds close to Alphas, Betas and Deltas.




Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 16, 2017 11:37 AM  

Getting promoted is the only way to give someone a pay raise in some companies.

Anonymous The OASF December 16, 2017 11:42 AM  

I've been studying this alpha-game concept for years ever since VD introduced it to me. One unanswered question... is there a scale for women? In my travels in both person and professional life I've definitely seen some form of this hierarchy in the female societal/career structure in action - but I have no clue if the male version can be applied completely to the female version. Maybe this question has already been answered here, so I may have missed it.

Anyway, since females are almost a necessity in the workforce nowadays (due to mere political/government pressure alone) would it be useful to understand the female hierarchy as well, provided there even is one that's truly definable?

I can say, for sure, that I've noticed what could be called an "alpha-female" in action particularly in the professional world. However, I don't like the term "alpha-female" so I refer to them as "queen-bees." That's my own in-house terminology.

Any insight would be helpful, thanks.

Blogger Nate December 16, 2017 11:47 AM  

The pay is the key. At some very successful companies you will find that there are mechanics that make more money than the engineers that are their bosses. By changing the dynamic you can motivate people to do the job they are suited for better.. for more money... as opposed to chasing higher and higher positions that they are not suited for.

Blogger James Dixon December 16, 2017 12:00 PM  

> If you find yourself in charge, your very first priority is to find Betas to act as your lieutenants.

Since I am by inclination a Beta, I don't think this point can be overemphasized too much. As a leader you have a lot of decisions to make. You don't have time to make the low level day to day ones. You need reliable people who can handle those for you.

If those people are good enough, the place can even run itself for short (but not long) periods of time without you.

> Getting promoted is the only way to give someone a pay raise in some companies.

Which is why said companies eventually become dysfunctional, as people are promoted past their capabilities. If you make the pay decisions, don't do that.

> Anyway, since females are almost a necessity in the workforce nowadays

There is at least a slim chance that the current harassment scandals will change that. We'll see.

Blogger VD December 16, 2017 12:01 PM  

One unanswered question... is there a scale for women

No. Women have two metrics: 1) beauty 2) status of their man.

Blogger James Dixon December 16, 2017 12:01 PM  

> "so I refer to them as "queen-bees."

I believe that's the traditional terminology, even amongst themselves.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 16, 2017 12:05 PM  

Elliot Jacques constructed the most compelling model of corporate organization by arranging roles according to the planning horizons necessary for each role.

Then you fit people into those roles according to their ability to deal with the necessary time horizon. Of course skill in the particular task set is also required to some degree but that ought to be obvious.

If you’re looking to start a business you will be well rewarded by reading a couple of his books.

Anonymous DJF December 16, 2017 12:18 PM  

This is why the US military "Up or Out" policy does not work. It was designed for Alpha's or want to be Alphas.

If you do not get promoted fast enough you are forced out with high year tenure. Which leaves people like Delta's being force up to levels they aren't good at or force out.

Blogger Jed Mask December 16, 2017 12:20 PM  

... There are great comments all around the board here I find fascinating.

Especially like The OASF's inquiry @8. and Mr. Nate's @9.

Yeah, I would definitely say *COMPATIBILITY* of a person's natural aptitude in a position of work with the *earning pay* trumps the "social status" boost of "higher position" for many people in organizations.

However, like Stg58/AnimalMother explains sometimes it can't be helped for some people's natural gifts to be monetarily rewarded in an organization where *POSITION STATUS* is linked to higher financial growth in those career paths.

But this understanding of the (male) socio-sexual hierarchy is completely beneficial knowledge for anyone to know at all levels top-down bottle-up.

Even the female equivalent of the socio-sexual hierarchy is important to know as well here.

There is a female socio-sexual hierarchy at play just as much as it is with the men despite women's collective "femaleness" behavioral patterns.

I've seen such differences in action in personal experiences.

Blogger DonReynolds December 16, 2017 12:33 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Getting promoted is the only way to give someone a pay raise in some companies.

One of the basic weaknesses of American business, non-profits, and government organization is the mania for management. That does not mean that the management is particularly good, it may mean that the most money motivated end up in management (leadership) positions, because that is where so much of the organization wages are paid. So we end up with low pay for technical staff, sales, and clerks, under the direction of those more self-interested.

In some organizations I have seen, management gets much more than the lion's share of the personnel budget.

It is in these organizations that I have encountered the "potato peeler" attitude toward non-managerial staff...one potato peeler is about the same as another. That means that demonstrated ability, achievement, experience, education, and length of service means nothing, when the boss believes everyone could be replaced next week. (The last place I saw this was at a nuclear power plant and the utility managed the situation by doing a musical chairs with leadership positions, about every six months. The social dynamic was incredible.)

There was a time when the government was pretty good about retaining staff through civil service protections, but many of these have been eroded. In the past, promotion in government service was the favorite way to get rid of people. Once they were promoted, they automatically went on probationary status for 3 to 12 months, during which they could be dismissed without cause. So there was a tendency for career staffers to refuse promotions (unless they wanted to risk it all).

I have never been a fan of the idea that everyone must be hired into the bottom of the organization and then drift up to their level of incompetency. Working in technical areas was often what they called a dead-end job. No matter how long you work there, you will be in the same job, so I have always preferred organizations that allowed for a career in place...a rewarding career path that does not require giving up the technical role for management.

I became a supervisor after working five years and was somebody's boss for the next thirty years. Sometimes only clerical staff, but mostly as section or department head.

Anonymous TD December 16, 2017 12:34 PM  

Best functional description of a gamma that I've seen yet.

Blogger Salt December 16, 2017 12:37 PM  

The OASF wrote:is there a scale for women? In my travels in both person and professional life I've definitely seen some form of this hierarchy in the female societal/career structure in action

I wouldn't call it hierarchical, but a woman's competition is with other women and, as Vox says, "Women have two metrics: 1) beauty 2) status of their man", their competition is in their clothes.

Blogger DonReynolds December 16, 2017 12:45 PM  

DJF wrote:This is why the US military "Up or Out" policy does not work. It was designed for Alpha's or want to be Alphas.

If you do not get promoted fast enough you are forced out with high year tenure. Which leaves people like Delta's being force up to levels they aren't good at or force out.



It is an enormous waste, particularly since in the military you go where you are sent.

In the regular Army, we had a Supply Sgt. in our company with an Armor MOS. He could not be promoted because he was out of his MOS and they just waited out the clock. They passed him over the rail after 16 years. I have seen and heard of that quite a bit to cheat lifers out of their retirement benefits. It is dishonest and wasteful and bad for morale. They think they have a career and get kicked out just short of retirement. It happens in the civil service and private sector too.

Anonymous URL IRL December 16, 2017 1:01 PM  

Vox,I believe you have described a defining characteristic of the Delta mans as the ability to change. Can a Gamma man become a Delta, or would you say he was a Delta who woke up to some character flaws?



Anonymous patrick kelly December 16, 2017 1:07 PM  

Nate wrote:The pay is the key. At some very successful companies you will find that there are mechanics that make more money than the engineers that are their bosses. By changing the dynamic you can motivate people to do the job they are suited for better.. for more money... as opposed to chasing higher and higher positions that they are not suited for.



"Recruiters" are notorious for trying to match you with a higher paying gig that you really aren't qualified or prepared for. I don't blame them, they are on commission % of your pay I think, but it is frustrating for production line delta programmers like me looking for something better paying but don't want to be in charge of anyone.

Anonymous Man of the Atom December 16, 2017 1:14 PM  

patrick kelly wrote:
"Recruiters" are notorious for trying to match you with a higher paying gig that you really aren't qualified or prepared for. I don't blame them, they are on commission % of your pay I think, but it is frustrating for production line delta programmers like me looking for something better paying but don't want to be in charge of anyone.


The company pays the recruiter from your future compensation package--some or all of it.

Blogger lowercaseb December 16, 2017 1:26 PM  

URL IRL wrote:Can a Gamma man become a Delta, or would you say he was a Delta who woke up to some character flaws?

It's a bit nitpicky, but from what I understand a Gamma is a broken man whose has healed badly, like a broken arm that is set improperly. They overcome the Omega lack of social confidence by over-correcting their own. I've seen a Gamma become a Delta, but a huge part of it is that they have to lose the "I'm special" mindset. The have to humble themselves, fall back into Omegahood and then start finding confidence in their real world achievements. Once they admit they can be wrong, they are not "special" and that being part of the rank and file is something to be be proud of, they can start ascending to Deltahood.

Blogger JohnofAustria December 16, 2017 1:28 PM  

I'm a gamma who's been working my way to delta for a long time.

When I got my commission, I didn't do well as an Lt because of the basic gamma flaws, fear of confrontation and responsibility. I would let my subordinates set too much of the agenda, and not hold them accountable.

Mostly because I feared being disliked, instead of being willing to give direction based on expert input, but still achieving the tasks from higher. My first year in the private sector actually beat it out of me, and then as a reserve capt I had my shit way more together.

The gamma problem is we want to be in charge without having to face the discontent of others, which we find too damaging to our self image.

Blogger VD December 16, 2017 1:40 PM  

The gamma problem is we want to be in charge without having to face the discontent of others, which we find too damaging to our self image.

And that's exactly why Alphas hate Gammas. They know Gammas want to be in charge despite not having the first clue about what it actually means to be in charge.

Blogger Tuatha December 16, 2017 1:46 PM  

As an Omicron male, I find "gammas to be a fake designation.

Anonymous Frontier December 16, 2017 1:52 PM  

URL IRL wrote:Vox,I believe you have described a defining characteristic of the Delta mans as the ability to change. Can a Gamma man become a Delta, or would you say he was a Delta who woke up to some character flaws?



Gammas are Gammas because they lie to themselves about the huge gulf between where they think they deserve to be in the dominance hierarchy (an alpha who gets the girl and is respected by men) and where they actually deserve to be based on their many flaws. If he stops lying to himself a Gamma can stop being a Gamma, which generally means admitting he's either an Omega or Delta with a lot of issues he needs to work on.

Blogger James Dixon December 16, 2017 1:59 PM  

> (The last place I saw this was at a nuclear power plant and the utility managed the situation by doing a musical chairs with leadership positions, about every six months. The social dynamic was incredible.)

You know, I think there is at least a 50/50 chance I've worked for the company in question.

Blogger CM December 16, 2017 2:24 PM  

--One unanswered question... is there a scale for women

No. Women have two metrics: 1) beauty 2) status of their man.--

I think we have our own internal hierarchy, but I don't really know enough to be sure.

Certainly, there are a few who refer to themselves as alpha women, but I think that's more posturing than anything else.

There is a special and unique set of ambitious women (even in the mommy-world) who somehow manage to do everything and look perfect doing it.

I am not one of them.

Blogger Duh-ave December 16, 2017 2:46 PM  

Re: Scale for women. There may be a third metric or perhaps a corollary to the second. 3? The status of the VIP she is putting out to. The quibble being that he is not "her" man. She is just one of his concubines. I have witnessed incompetents keep their jobs and competent ladies advance very well due to this relationship, even after their beauty was lost to age.

Blogger VD December 16, 2017 3:01 PM  

The status of the VIP she is putting out to.

That is the same as (2).

Blogger Michael Maier December 16, 2017 3:06 PM  

I do find it funny because my post on ALPHA GAME seems to have brought Vox' attention to this link.

I would say I'm a Delta with a few unfortunate Gamma tendencies.

I am direct to a fault with everyone above and below my station at work.

But I am very loyal to my team. And I always take responsibility for my actions.

Anonymous Magus December 16, 2017 3:22 PM  

Yeah, to follow on from the question about women above: what does that mean for female employees? Do you rank them in an organisation according to their looks?

Blogger Drew December 16, 2017 3:27 PM  

What do you do with Lambdas? Are they regular workers? Can they be managers? Where do they best fit in the corporate hierarchy?

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 16, 2017 3:53 PM  

Magus wrote:Yeah, to follow on from the question about women above: what does that mean for female employees? Do you rank them in an organisation according to their looks?

I'd be curious to know this too, because it's essential to control women in the modern workplace. Probably have to ask a pimp.

See also this conversation thread: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-handicap-of-high-iq.html#c4938195943926957686

Blogger Nate73 December 16, 2017 4:00 PM  

There was a post about "gamma protagonists" that mentioned Tyrion in game of thrones (not sure if the author's self-insert or not). He is all the things on this list, depressed, constantly drunk, but wittier and smarter and snarkier than everyone around him. The fact he's a dwarf and everybody hates him is the plot device I think, a plausible excuse for literally everybody to constantly treat him like dirt, even his own family (unless gammas really do feel like social dwarves?).

Sexually he is portrayed as basically the only decent guy in all of Westeros, because after a forced marriage he told his bride he wouldn't have sex with her without her consent. She responds with What if I never consent? He responds, quote: '"Why," he said, “that is why the gods made whores for imps like me." He closed his short blunt fingers into a fist, and climbed down off the bed.' And of course in the end we know how that turns out...

Anonymous Daniel December 16, 2017 4:06 PM  

Leadership question: What steps can I take to give less of a shit about anklebiters? Caring too much about conflicts with them holds me back.

Anonymous grey enlightenment December 16, 2017 4:08 PM  

If you get involved in left wing/progressive activism — especially feminist politics — most men you’ll come across are going to be gammas.

regrettably, the 'right' has a lot of them too

Anonymous grey enlightenment December 16, 2017 4:14 PM  

gamma behavior is closely related to midwit behavior and mannerisms:

nitpicking while missing the bigger picture and mistaking it for intelligence
status-seeking
cannot accept some are smarter, more experienced, more knowledgeable
gets offended easily
defensivness
cannot respect the chain of command
postering

It's absolute poison to any organization

Blogger Michael Maier December 16, 2017 4:49 PM  

" cannot respect the chain of command "

So... what's the best course of action when something needs done and your boss and your boss' boss are both idiots?

Anonymous URL IRL December 16, 2017 4:51 PM  

Thanks @23 and @27.


Blogger Miguel December 16, 2017 5:23 PM  

I have a gamma coleegue and he fits perfectly in VD's hierarchy. The thing that hit home to me is how he is ruining everyone else's work mood.

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Blogger Aeoli Pera December 16, 2017 5:31 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:" cannot respect the chain of command "

So... what's the best course of action when something needs done and your boss and your boss' boss are both idiots?


Document the issue to CYA in case it comes back around, and otherwise leave it alone to fail. If it's not your job or your company it's not your business.

You might turn out to be wrong and it wasn't an essential fix. If you're right, you can quit and make bank fixing the problem as a contractor.

The only thing that will get you f***ed 100% of the time is to be right, and be noisy about it. Remember what happened to all the prophets.

Blogger Michael Maier December 16, 2017 5:45 PM  

Well, I'm shipping out of my current spot in a month or so. So that should work for me.

Unless I get put in a new job with the same problem. God please give me reasonable bosses that will let me let them look great!

Blogger CM December 16, 2017 5:49 PM  

--Yeah, to follow on from the question about women above: what does that mean for female employees? Do you rank them in an organisation according to their looks?--

Personally, I'd avoid organizational promotions that place women directly above men and women. The female hierarchy only works with women and it changes the dynamic of the workplace to organize in such a way.

Also, promoting women based on beauty harms the team make-up where men are concerned because men aren't going to follow a stupid hot chick.

Blogger James Dixon December 16, 2017 6:07 PM  

> I would say I'm a Delta with a few unfortunate Gamma tendencies.

That describes the vast majority of men in normal circumstances.

> So... what's the best course of action when something needs done and your boss and your boss' boss are both idiots?

Find another job. You did ask for best, not most practical. And, as said above, document, document, document.

Blogger VD December 16, 2017 6:47 PM  

Leadership question: What steps can I take to give less of a shit about anklebiters? Caring too much about conflicts with them holds me back.

Crush them without hesitation or mercy.

So... what's the best course of action when something needs done and your boss and your boss' boss are both idiots?

Talk to your boss. If you're willing to risk your job, talk to your boss's boss. If neither one of them is willing to do anything about it, shrug and leave it alone. You've done MORE than your part and it's not your responsibility.

Then start looking for another job before the company goes into layoff mode.

Blogger VD December 16, 2017 6:50 PM  

what does that mean for female employees? Do you rank them in an organisation according to their looks?

Keep them out of the hair of the important Deltas, shield them from being creeped on by the Gammas and keep the Omegas well away from them. And don't let the Alphas promote the ones they're banging.

Otherwise, treat them impartially according to their abilities and performance.

Blogger James Dixon December 16, 2017 7:17 PM  

> Keep them out of the hair of the important Deltas, shield them from being creeped on by the Gammas and keep the Omegas well away from them. And don't let the Alphas promote the ones they're banging.

Proper HR for a functional company in discrete paragraph. I like it.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 16, 2017 7:32 PM  

I haven't read Alpha Games but this blog post and the comments have been very enlightening. I did have a principle question: What happens to an Alpha or Beta trapped in an organization comlosed mainly of Deltas?

I'd love to see an empirical analysis of Universities, they appear to be a midling Delta haven. No wonder they are the torch bearers on our way to utter destruction.

I'd also be interested in a general analysis of the USA, Japan and Australia. The questions I'd find Interesting would be:
1. Where alphas concenrated under the early conditions of the USA? Was the US Constitution designed in a way to cater to a particular group?
2. Did the English inadvertently concentratrate Deltas in Australia?
3. What effect did WWII have on the normal distribution of Alphas in Japan? Does war open up socioeconomic space for Alphas (I was thinking of the black death in Europe and ensuing Renaissance or possibly modern Japan) or does it eliminate the critical mass of genes needed to maintain Western Civilization (as seems to explain Europe) and/or something else?

What in inspirational post, I sort of feel better for having read it :)

Blogger DonReynolds December 16, 2017 7:46 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> (The last place I saw this was at a nuclear power plant and the utility managed the situation by doing a musical chairs with leadership positions, about every six months. The social dynamic was incredible.)

You know, I think there is at least a 50/50 chance I've worked for the company in question.


Brunswick Nuclear Plant.
Carolina Power and Light.

Blogger S1AL December 16, 2017 8:24 PM  

The biggest difference I've noticed with women is that even the most competent ones respond far more than men to personal comments, good or bad. Tell a guy he made a crappy call and he'll usually nod and fix it. At worst he'll disagree (barring some gamma psychoses). A woman can hold it against you forever. But the same holds true with compliments - they can be treated like crap (from a guy's perspective) and still be happy if they receive adequate compliments on their value to the company or whatever the BS of choice is.

I'll never understand it.

Anonymous the bandit December 16, 2017 9:51 PM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote:I haven't read Alpha Games but this blog post and the comments have been very enlightening. I did have a principle question: What happens to an Alpha or Beta trapped in an organization comlosed mainly of Deltas?

That's pretty much every organization. Deltas are the vast majority of men.

Blogger wreckage December 16, 2017 11:32 PM  

A surfeit of Alphas is terribly, terribly bad for an organization. Better off with 100% Deltas and some decent IQ than with too many Alphas.

Blogger FrankNorman December 16, 2017 11:56 PM  

55. wreckage December 16, 2017 11:32 PM

A surfeit of Alphas is terribly, terribly bad for an organization. Better off with 100% Deltas and some decent IQ than with too many Alphas.


Because for people with too much Alpha in them, "who's in charge here?" is more important than "what are we here to do?" ?

Blogger Drew December 16, 2017 11:58 PM  

alpha ambition without the alpha goods

PERFECT definition of a gamma. I was a gamma when I was younger, so I guess I became a delta when I realized I was never meant to be an alpha.

Blogger Dire Badger December 17, 2017 1:07 AM  

CM wrote:
Also, promoting women based on beauty harms the team make-up where men are concerned because men aren't going to follow a stupid hot chick.


Except into the Bathroom.

Blogger wreckage December 17, 2017 5:24 AM  

@56 yeah. I've only seen it with situational alphas. I'm omega that can fake delta and even beta sometimes.

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2017 7:33 AM  

> Carolina Power and Light.

Ah, not the same one then, but one right next door to the one I worked for.

Blogger Daniel December 17, 2017 7:37 AM  

Yeah... Those always competent women... I kniw one. Competent in just EVERYTHING. Looks motherhood job housewiving... Always wonder if same competence doing blowjobs

Blogger RC December 17, 2017 10:01 AM  

55. wreckage December 16, 2017 11:32 PM

A surfeit of Alphas is terribly, terribly bad for an organization. Better off with 100% Deltas and some decent IQ than with too many Alphas.

Because for people with too much Alpha in them, "who's in charge here?" is more important than "what are we here to do?" ?

These statements are cringe worthy. Without alpha leadership and risk-taking there wouldn't even be an organization. Just observe an organization alpha-founded and alpha-built when it's handed off to a delta son or worse: Disaster unfolded like Revelation's scroll.

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2017 12:15 PM  

> These statements are cringe worthy. Without alpha leadership and risk-taking there wouldn't even be an organization.

Someone has obviously never understood the sayings "too many cooks spoil the broth" and "too many Chiefs and not enough Indians". They're not saying you don't need alphas. They're saying you can have too many of them.

Blogger RC December 17, 2017 1:02 PM  

No James. They stated that no alphas were better than too many. This is simply wrong. Alphas will sort themselves, usually without much drama. A leaderless organization will implode.

Blogger mgh December 17, 2017 1:07 PM  

I will offer up that the best female workers are the ones who exhibit delta-like qualities. Competent at what they do, rarely caught up in the female head games, satisfied with pay and recognition without looking to be the top boss. Can run a small team or work largely alone as an expert at some task. These delta-like females are the ones you can work with, but they are probably only 10-12% of the workforce. I know they exist in IT and accounting fields, probably in nursing too.

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2017 1:26 PM  

> They stated that no alphas were better than too many.

And they are correct, as they're assuming an already existing company. An existing company can survive for a limited time with no alphas, as deltas are competent to run their own areas for a while; whereas multiple alphas will tear the company apart as they strive for leadership. How long that limited time is is debatable, especially as it depends partly on external forces.

Blogger S1AL December 17, 2017 1:44 PM  

"No James. They stated that no alphas were better than too many. This is simply wrong. Alphas will sort themselves, usually without much drama. A leaderless organization will implode."

Nonsense. Deltas are better able to produce situational/fractal alphas than alphas are able to produce fractal deltas.

Blogger mgh December 17, 2017 3:11 PM  

>"These delta-like females are the ones you can work with, but they are probably only 10-12% of the workforce. I know they exist in IT and accounting fields"

Upon further reflection I realize this is exaggerated. Most of the competent females I've known lasted about 5 years before they blew up and moved on elsewhere. I'm giving too much credit for the few that remain steady producers. And these producers don't really do much in the way of innovation, they just maintain the process.

Blogger tz December 17, 2017 3:57 PM  

Zeta Males?

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2017 5:08 PM  

> And these producers don't really do much in the way of innovation, they just maintain the process.

Well, that's true of most males too.

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