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Monday, December 11, 2017

Mailvox: two readers, two different views

A regular reader is going to be a little busy for the next 18 months:
Hi Vox, I hope all continues to go well (your presence on Twitter is missed.)

I just wanted to thank you for your good wishes on my IDF service [he went in yesterday - VD] and for being one of the few rational, perceptive political commentators online (also for being an ideologically consistent and honest member of the alt right, or your stream at least, while much of it appears to be purity spiraling into extinction.

Thanks again for the good wishes. And yes, the riots do seem to be only posturing. Israelis I follow who’ve seen them say they seem underwhelming, low energy, like they’re just being done because that’s what’s expected. A guard was stabbed at the Jerusalem central bus station today, and the media is going to link it to the Trump declaration, but that’s just palestinians being palestinians.
I mentioned to him that at least the locus of global violence appears to be well away from the usual Mid East hotspot for once. More than a few VP readers are serving their nations in various militaries and I hope and pray they will all stay safe in these increasingly dangerous times.

Another one was a little less appreciative of my work:
"Low morale cowards," "useless parasites," "fearful MGTOW," "indentured servants."  You sound like a woman castigating a 'men's rights' advocate with just as little interest or sympathy as those women have.  As a result, you're just as convincing.

"Going Galt" existed long before the internet, and has much more basis in fact overall.  When men don't see anything worth contributing to, they don't contribute, as is their right.  They may look for ways their contributions will be recognized [the military, the black market] they may keep their productive work to themselves, they may do nothing but smoke pot and play video games.  But none of that qualifies as cowardice, fear or servitude.

At some point, women have to step up their game and be worth more than looking at [or banging, if you're the kind who chases women.]  If I was into investing, I would be putting all my money into sexbot companies, especially once they start programming sexbots to cook, clean, do laundry, shopping, and answer the phone/emails.

This isn't fear or parasitism, this is a natural response to the world women want to live in, and Muslims and Hispanic Catholics will eagerly supplant us.  Maybe they can enjoy the thousands of pages of comic books I've written, drawn and lettered, the dozens of CDs of music I've recorded or the almost-nine books I've published.  [Still trying to finish proofing the ninth book]  I can't see how my life would be better if I'd chased women or spent my life watching movies in the same amount of time.

I've suffered worse than 'Vox Day doesn't look well upon my kind" [and thanks to God I haven't had any real suffering outside of the military where suffering is sorta expected.]  A sexbot would improve my life guaranteed much more than a human wife would, so even though you say you're not telling us to 'man up and wife these sluts' that's really the effect of what you're saying.  I could have spent the last fifteen or twenty years of my life wandering in a dark forest for the same result.  It's not fear of a dark forest, it's knowing that every minute I spend there is one less minute I can focus on what matters to me.  This is the same 'how to win friends and influence people' playbook as the Democrats are using, good for entertainment and not much else.
What can I say? He makes my point for me. The fear emanates from his missive like a visible fog. While we can't dismiss him as a useless parasite due to his past military service, what is the point of defending one's nation if one does not also act to perpetuate it?

The ironic thing is that MGTOW denigrate women for making choices that preclude their becoming wives and mothers. And then, they promptly declare that they are justified in doing the same. Where is the male leadership in that? That is not leadership, it is the precise opposite.

I, too, have written books, recorded music, and even written a few dozen pages of comic books. And I can declare, with more than a little authority, that the most important thing I have done for both the West and humanity is to marry Spacebunny and have children with her. MGTOW are every bit as wrong about the importance of their individual accomplishments as the college girl who is focused on her degree and her career instead of her family life.

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Anonymous JAG December 11, 2017 6:08 AM  

It wasn't me this time. I swear!

Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2017 6:11 AM  

"At some point, women have to step up their game..."

What? Men lead, women follow. Only the well-led women are even capable of doing something like that.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 11, 2017 6:14 AM  

MGTOWs who make "breach of social contract" justifications miss the point. Their responsibility isn't to women their own age. It's to the little kids of their own nation who have inherited a shitty world.

Anonymous Icicle December 11, 2017 6:17 AM  

Depends. There are exceptions. Washington, Aquinas, Newton, ect.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 11, 2017 6:24 AM  

Whenever I hear MGTOWs talking about women I am forcibly reminded of this skit of Crow trying to prove that women (against all available evidence) actually do exist.

The concepts seem that alien.

Blogger Lazarus December 11, 2017 6:33 AM  

Westerners getting married and having children endangers the Middle East peace process!

Anonymous ZhukovG December 11, 2017 6:39 AM  

First, prayers for our comrade beginning IDF service.

Second, the following line, I think, is instructive concerning our cynical friend:

"It's not fear of a dark forest, it's knowing that every minute I spend there is one less minute I can focus on what matters to me."

This person seems to have reached a near terminal state of 'self centeredness'. Which may be part of his problems socially speaking.

Anonymous karsten December 11, 2017 6:40 AM  

"What can I say? He makes my point for me. The fear emanates from his missive like a visible fog."

Fear? Well, that's an easy assertion to make, requiring no proof. It's a bit like the people who claim that people who reject gays must be "homophobic," or those who reject the invasion of their nations by non-whites are "xenophobic." Sometimes, rejecting something is a rational decision, based on the facts as they are.

"The ironic thing is that MGTOW denigrate women for making choices that preclude their becoming wives and mothers. And then, they promptly declare that they are justified in doing the same. Where is the male leadership in that?"

This is like the cuckservative argument that "We must be better than that" when they insist that conservatives follow principles of good faith that Leftists flagrantly spurn.

That guy's level of male leadership, or absence thereof, should be gauged on this part of his post:

"I, too, have written books, recorded music, and even written a few dozen pages of comic books."

IF (and I insist, only IF) his books, music, and comic books have been crafted to push traditional/Alt-Right/reactionary/etc. values, then he HAS shown leadership, and he has done something far more worthwhile than having a family. Because the most important war going on right now is not a numbers war (i.e., who can produce the most offspring), it's a cultural war. The war for minds.

Were it not for the existence of rapidly multiplying non-white foreigners, and the ongoing flood of non-white foreigners being imported to white nations, then the low white birth rate wouldn't be a problem (up to a point). Europe had far, far lower population numbers the further back in history you go, and it had healthy, thriving and powerful cultures in all of those less-populated ages -- much healthier than its current, self-hating and self-destructive culture.

What matters is convincing whites to (a) stop importing foreigners, and (b) to transfer those who currently occupy their nations. That's the war of greatest consequence today, and IF that guy's works are helping to convince whites of the need to do those things, then he's going something far more important than if his time were spent on an individual family.

Remember: the Jews have a population that's absolutely tiny in comparison to any of the white nations that they occupy, and yet they have managed to completely control those nations, due to their cultural hegemony; they can, at will, make them dance to their tune. Cultural power is paramount and trumps sheer numbers.

Once that war, the war to return white nations to pre-1965 ethnic proportions (or the European equivalent) is won, then natalism can become the paramount cultural goal.

Anonymous Randall December 11, 2017 6:43 AM  

"MGTOW are every bit as wrong about the importance of their individual accomplishments as the college girl who is focused on her degree and her career instead of her family life."

I would suggest to the person to whom VD is responding that he read the book of Ecclesiastes.

Anonymous Killua December 11, 2017 6:50 AM  

If I was into investing, I would be putting all my money into sexbot companies

When realistic sexbots are invented, it is going to change the world in a huge way, there is no doubt about it.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen December 11, 2017 7:04 AM  

A sexbot would improve my life guaranteed much more than a human wife would

Presumably an atheist, he makes the mistake of thinking that his life's purpose is his own comfort.

At best, he exchanges a charge of cowardice for a charge of hedonism. Neither makes him useful to civilization.

Anonymous Rocklea December 11, 2017 7:04 AM  

"When realistic sexbots are invented, it is going to change the world in a huge way, there is no doubt about it."

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Blogger Duke Norfolk December 11, 2017 7:07 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:This person seems to have reached a near terminal state of 'self centeredness'.

You beat me to it. "...what happens to me", is what struck me. Me, me, me. That's our world.

Anonymous Civic Nationalism Rules December 11, 2017 7:10 AM  

So Vox shocks us all by coming out and saying that, as a non-white immigrant, he benefited the West by moving to Italy and breeding a family of mixed race foreigners. Is Jeb Bush writing here now?

Anonymous Athor Pel December 11, 2017 7:12 AM  

"...
The ironic thing is that MGTOW denigrate women for making choices that preclude their becoming wives and mothers. And then, they promptly declare that they are justified in doing the same. Where is the male leadership in that? That is not leadership, it is the precise opposite.
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and

"2. Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2017 6:11 AM
"At some point, women have to step up their game..."

What? Men lead, women follow. Only the well-led women are even capable of doing something like that.
"



For men the most insidious thing about the modern concept of equality is the expectation of equal moral capability within women. Men say to themselves, if I, a man, can resist temptation then any woman can too. They may not ask that exact question but it boils down to the same thing.

I spent years expecting or hoping a woman would display the discipline and maturity of an adult. I was repeatedly disappointed and dropped any woman that failed one too many times. Because of the assumptions of propriety I had been taught I did not think it appropriate to correct the women I knew. I was conditioned not to lead. It was only within the last few years that I even realized the things I am enumerating here.

Even accepting the physical disparities between the sexes it is distressingly easy to still unconsciously assume strength of character is equal. Even more so for a man without sisters. Another thing that clouds perception is seeing the wives of strong moral men acting with maturity and prudence. We only see those women's actions and impute it to all women never seeing the reliance on their husbands' strength of will. It is likely down to projection that a man sees a woman's moral action and assumes it came from the same place as it does within him.

Blogger JACIII December 11, 2017 7:12 AM  

The poor MGTOW bastards will finally figure out amiable companionship can be had with a female once they hit the nursing home and they are completely alone. Doh!

Blogger The Kurgan December 11, 2017 7:15 AM  

You're an idiot. Keep sperging while we keep reproducing with live real women.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 11, 2017 7:15 AM  

Rocklea wrote:Sponsor a Sexbot for Africans today.

LOL. Even better would be if those bots swiftly castrated them afterwards.

Blogger VD December 11, 2017 7:15 AM  

This is like the cuckservative argument that "We must be better than that" when they insist that conservatives follow principles of good faith that Leftists flagrantly spurn.

No, it's not at all like that. Men literally have to be better than that if society is going to survive. It's more like telling someone who is watching other people commit suicide, "Don't do that!"

Blogger McChuck December 11, 2017 7:17 AM  

The future belongs to those who show up. If you don't marry, have children, and raise them up in your culture, you are a genetic and memetic dead end. If your wife can't bear your children for whatever reason, adopt a healthy white child and raise them up to pass on your culture. Your memes can live on, even if your genes do not.

Attempting to pass on your memes to random strangers on the internet is not wholly futile, but is about as effective as baby sitting somebody else's kid for one night in their house.

Blogger VD December 11, 2017 7:20 AM  

So Vox shocks us all by coming out and saying that, as a non-white immigrant, he benefited the West by moving to Italy and breeding a family of mixed race foreigners. Is Jeb Bush writing here now?

It is amusing that people who are less American - in either sense - than I am are trying to paint me as some African interloper. Do you expect we mixed-race sorts will simply give up like MGTOW? Spare us your feeble rhetoric and instead look at me as an example; if you permit immigration, your culture will be adulterated and eventually superseded to the point that people deny it even existed.

Blogger traderdoc December 11, 2017 7:22 AM  

My wife often looks at our kids and grandkids and proudly says, "All of this because 36 years ago I got laid...".

Blogger Man of the West December 11, 2017 7:22 AM  

For a Christian, it is easy to realize that women have been causing problems for men since the time of Eve (and they always will given human nature), and yet Christians also realize that men allow those problems to occur if they do not lead, just like Adam did not lead Eve. However, just because this is the case do not negate God's command to be fruitful and multiple.

And in light of this, I wonder if MGTOW is mainly composed of more secular or pagan men. Something to think about anyway.

Cheers,

MOTW
www.manofthewest.net

Anonymous Rocklea December 11, 2017 7:24 AM  

"LOL. Even better would be if those bots swiftly castrated them afterwards."

We at sexbots4africans call that model The Lorena Bobbitt.

Anonymous Simon in London December 11, 2017 7:34 AM  

Athor Pel:
"I spent years expecting or hoping a woman would display the discipline and maturity of an adult. I was repeatedly disappointed and dropped any woman that failed one too many times. Because of the assumptions of propriety I had been taught I did not think it appropriate to correct the women I knew. I was conditioned not to lead. It was only within the last few years that I even realized the things I am enumerating here."

Yeah, me too. I had a stupid idea of Equality. I never understood Complementarity. Black is not White, Ying is not Yang.

The most successful couple I know speak the State religion of Liberal Egalitarianism, while actually living a Traditionalist Complementarian lifestyle.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 11, 2017 7:35 AM  

OT
AC is giving away his r/K book, The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics: How Conservatism and Liberalism Evolved Within Humans today and tomorrow.

If you haven't read it, do so.
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/evopsych-and-narcissist-free-again/

Blogger Jew613 December 11, 2017 7:37 AM  

Vox, I understand if you can't answer, but is the second writer Turd Flinging Monkey?

Anonymous Civic Nationalism Rules December 11, 2017 7:40 AM  

@21 No one expects you to give up the joys of marriage and children. Just don't insult your readers and your Italian hosts by trying to portray your self-indulgent decision, which is as anti-West as an Italian man going MGTOW, as being somehow beneficial to your hosts. You're a foreigner and, as you have written here many times, a society is weakened and incurs costs even from the presence of "good" foreigners. The arguments against native men going MGTOW do not apply to you.

Blogger marco moltisanti December 11, 2017 7:45 AM  

"the most important thing I have done for both the West and humanity is to marry Spacebunny and have children with her."

Sounds right to me. To clarify, I guess this means that you consider it OK to produce mixed-raced children at least under some circumstances? Do you think of your children as Americans, half-American/half-Italians, or just "citizens of the world" or something else?

I realize that you're a busy man but if you ever find the time I'd love to hear your thoughts on mixed race families and their place in an ideal alt.right society, either for those like you who are mixed race or like me who hadn't gotten the memo on ethnic nationalism before marrying a woman who isn't white.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 11, 2017 7:46 AM  

It's amazing to me how the second guy is such a giant faggot.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 11, 2017 7:51 AM  

Always amusing when a MGTOW whines that women really need to man up.

Blogger tuberman December 11, 2017 7:57 AM  

How can guys get a religious/spiritual connection to a "sexbot?" Answer is you cannot. This sexbot thing is just another attack on humanity. "Players" can grow up, this is not about lust type pleasure, or getting off, as that way is the path of Homos and harsh intensity, takes one into the dark.

What is real love? Not BS, and this is not naive or cucking if done Right. Does actual passion involve the desire for children?

Blogger rumpole5 December 11, 2017 8:03 AM  

I never will forget my great grandma Cripe's funeral. It was attended by myself, and 143 of her and my great grandfather's other descendants. Unfortunately, there were a number who lived in the next state and could not make it.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 11, 2017 8:05 AM  

Nature seems punishing sometimes, but in reality Nature is wondrous.

In this time of plenitude that so many take for granted, we are offered the opportunity to pursue HAPPINESS instead of simple survival.

Nature rewards doing the right thing well by giving us marital devotion, physical & emotional intimacy, the joyous task of raising children of whom we can be proud, and the amazing experience of playing with grandchildren.

Isolated, lonely people are not happy. That the path to living a happy life is so denigrated just makes achieving it all the sweeter.

Nothing worth having comes without risk or work, most of which is self-improvement.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 11, 2017 8:07 AM  

On mixed race. Genetically speaking everyone is mixed race to some degree. Think of the mix in terms of countries. The majority ethnic group will typically dominate the minority.

Vox is likely mostly 'White European' his children are likely so 'White European' that any other genetics are vestigial at best. As for Italy, that is the Italian's business, not mine or anyone else's.

Blogger FrankNorman December 11, 2017 8:09 AM  

17. The Kurgan December 11, 2017 7:15 AM

You're an idiot. Keep sperging while we keep reproducing with live real women.


Technically speaking, gynoids that are capable of in vitro gestation are probably quite possible. It might even be possible to make the eggs using stem cell technology.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 December 11, 2017 8:10 AM  

"I would be putting all my money into sexbot companies, especially once they start programming sexbots to cook, clean, do laundry, shopping, and answer the phone/emails"
Over the years men have developed conveniences to relieve women of the drudgeries of everyday life, Indoor running water, Washing machine,drier, dishwasher, answering machine, microwave oven, (subesequent) microwave food,dishwasher/drier, autonomous floor cleaners, "permanant press" clothes, (voice interactive)electronic correspondence, web interactive refrigerators, robotic delivery,...
I've been led to believe homosexual(or asexual)couples can now adopt, or "hire" special breeders as surrogates, and a womb transplant has produced a child of some sort.
CaptDMO



Blogger VD December 11, 2017 8:19 AM  

No one expects you to give up the joys of marriage and children. Just don't insult your readers and your Italian hosts by trying to portray your self-indulgent decision, which is as anti-West as an Italian man going MGTOW, as being somehow beneficial to your hosts. You're a foreigner and, as you have written here many times, a society is weakened and incurs costs even from the presence of "good" foreigners. The arguments against native men going MGTOW do not apply to you.

You're a dishonest individual appealing to an irrelevancy in an futile attempt to disqualify and discredit. Try it again and you'll be spammed.

Sounds right to me. To clarify, I guess this means that you consider it OK to produce mixed-raced children at least under some circumstances? Do you think of your children as Americans, half-American/half-Italians, or just "citizens of the world" or something else?

kay for whom? It's neither your business nor your concern how I think of my children. But the fact is that I and my family pass flawlessly for "White European" to such an extent that no one in Europe even imagines our background might be American. The USA is not among the first three guesses even when they know we speak English.

And for the Nth time, my mortage rate is not relevant to discussions of optimal interest rates. And neither my life nor my family is relevant to discussions of the fate of the West. This is not difficult for any honest individual to understand.

Blogger VD December 11, 2017 8:21 AM  

as anti-West as an Italian man going MGTOW

This is a blatant lie. I am 100 percent a man of the West. More so than any atheist of pure European descent.

Blogger Koanic December 11, 2017 8:26 AM  

Men Quitting The Omega Way?

That's gay.

At least go on a spree and make 'em pay.

Blogger FrankNorman December 11, 2017 8:27 AM  

Do some people think that Italy doesn't count as part of "the West"?

Northern Italy arguably does, while southern Italy maybe doesn't.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 11, 2017 8:29 AM  

Isn't Italy where the Roman Empire had an important political and military city? Just saying.

Blogger #6277 Hammer December 11, 2017 8:37 AM  


"At some point, women have to step up their game and be worth more than looking at [or banging....]."
Game is not just for picking up chicks and banging them, learn some.

Blogger haus frau December 11, 2017 8:43 AM  

@26 "OT
AC is giving away his r/K book, The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics: How Conservatism and Liberalism Evolved Within Humans today and tomorrow.

If you haven't read it, do so.
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/evopsych-and-narcissist-free-again/"

I was surprised to find that my very "proposition nation", Cruz loving sister had bought a copy of this book after hearing an interview with the author on the radio. We've gotten into it a few times over the years about the proposition nation myth and the assertion that IQ and behavior are genetic and have political consequences. I'm waiting to see if this book break through the equalist propaganda firewall that almost all mainstream conservatives has in their minds. If so, I may have to buy another copy for my dad.

Blogger Brad Matthews December 11, 2017 8:43 AM  

My thought was along that line

Blogger Harris December 11, 2017 8:47 AM  

Speaking of "low morale," I can testify to the notion that having low morale accomplishes nothing. After my divorce, I was extremely low, and withdrew from almost all social activity, not only with women, but with nearly everyone. It wasn't until I decided to stop being a victim, and re-engage in life that my life turned around.

In fact, for years I had prayed that Ecclesiastes 5:22 would become my lifestyle. "He does not often consider the length of his days, because God keeps him occupied with the gladness of his heart." After I re-engaged with God and others, that did in fact become my lifestyle - to the point where people would stop me and ask why I was so cheerful all the time. I've had 4 different women propose to me in the last 9 years, and also have been sexually assaulted at work by another woman (grabbed me by the crotch at a company function.) I haven't accepted any of the proposals, and turned down the co-worker. But getting trapped permanently in a low morale state of mind is a terrible way to live.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 11, 2017 8:48 AM  

Every coin has two sides.

The counterfeit coin of social atomization and loneliness has Feminist Equalism on one side, MGTOW & the PUA "Never-dad Cad" on the other. They meet in the middle where no one connects, no kids are born, and people wallow in lifelong regret and misery.

No wonder they're stylish.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

Blogger Desdichado December 11, 2017 8:59 AM  

FrankNorman wrote:Do some people think that Italy doesn't count as part of "the West"?

Northern Italy arguably does, while southern Italy maybe doesn't.

Northern Italy is fundamental to the West. Without Northern Italy, there's no Renaissance, which was a fundamental foundation stone of the West as we know it. Without the Genoese, there's no colonization of the Americas.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 11, 2017 9:07 AM  

48. Desdichado

I was going to argue that the English explorer John Cabot never gets half the credit he deserves for finding North America, largely independent of Columbus.

Then I remembered that his real name was Giovanni Caboto and he was born in Venice.

Blogger F.D. Stephens December 11, 2017 9:09 AM  

Rocklea wrote:Sponsor a Sexbot for Africans today. Millions of African men are suffering Sexual Emergency everyday. For just $9.95 a month, you can help relieve their suffering. Contact sexbots4africans.org today and pledge your support. The sexual emergency relief effort could help save western civilisation. Your donation is tax deductible.

Snort. Sounds to me like a writing prompt for a short story...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 11, 2017 9:13 AM  

Speaking of breeding and Israel in the same post, is Israel a hardship post for the Marines on embassy duty?

I never remember talking with any fellow Marines who even pulled that station if they have Marines there at all, did meet a few who drew the USSR (totally sucked).

Blogger Dangeresque December 11, 2017 9:18 AM  

Every MGTOW thinks he's Nikola Fucking Tesla freeing up more time for his superior creative pursuits. Unless the things you create are categorically unique or of the top tier of quality only attainable by a fraction of a percent of the population, you're just creating more things for the hired cleanup crew with respirators on to throw out after you die.

Blogger Austin Ballast December 11, 2017 9:27 AM  

A question I am trying to figure out is what I should be doing now that my wife of almost 30 years has decided she wants to be single instead of married and I have no living family to invest in.

I am highly unlikely to find a single, virtuous woman at this age. A few rare widows exist, but most that are single are very steeped in the mess.

The time of raising the next generation is well past, quite unfortunately in many ways.

Some of us got the short end of the stick VD in spite of working otherwise.

Blogger Austin Ballast December 11, 2017 9:28 AM  

Though I doubt I will ever be full MGTOW since too much of that goes against my core beliefs.

Blogger Koanic December 11, 2017 9:44 AM  

If you've failed at addition, fret not. Subtraction is far more important. It's simple genetic math.

Blogger wreckage December 11, 2017 9:45 AM  

The thing is the MGTOW are butthurt that "women" don't focus on family, never for one instant thinking that the proper role of traditional manhood is... to focus on family.

If you want to save civilization, you need to want a family. And that will be your largest and most important task, for the duration of your entire damn life.

That is what it means to be human, instead of a cog in a corporate or communist machine.

MGTOW aren't GTOW, they're submitting to total dehumanization. That's the process that has brought about all the other crises and which will get us in the end even if the other crises are dealt with: Left and Right alike are committed to an essentially Marxist March of History, shedding their humanity in a glorious ascent...
... to misery and extinction.

Blogger wreckage December 11, 2017 9:47 AM  

@54, find something that promotes and strengthens your community, and go at it like a mad thing. You have the advantage of focus.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 11, 2017 9:49 AM  

I just assume many of these guys are on the "spectrum" but that they are still horny, life is tough.

But like conservatives they cannot free themselves from the mess created by the messy marriage to libtards.

Here is my advice to a better life, using Vox's sexual hierarchy terminology for this example: realize your gammaness, work to control it and become a Delta, low Delta at first, high Delta the goal.

Somewhere along this transformation you will be able to free your mind of the mess of modernity.

Blogger Austin Ballast December 11, 2017 9:49 AM  

dc.sunsets,

Nature rewards doing the right thing well by giving us marital devotion, physical & emotional intimacy, the joyous task of raising children of whom we can be proud, and the amazing experience of playing with grandchildren.

It doesn't always turn out that way and some of this is a bit of AMoGing....

Blogger Austin Ballast December 11, 2017 9:51 AM  

wreckage wrote:@54, find something that promotes and strengthens your community, and go at it like a mad thing. You have the advantage of focus.

Basically true, but the community won't be there for you, which is what makes this much more challenging.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin December 11, 2017 9:54 AM  

" . . . and Muslims and Hispanic Catholics will eagerly supplant us."

Well there you go. Find yourself a cute mestiza, get with the program, jump on the team, and come on in for the big win!

Blogger Nate December 11, 2017 10:33 AM  

Mgtow is pure gamma

Anonymous SAK December 11, 2017 10:36 AM  

I suspect most MGTOWers are men incapable of securing the love of a worthwhile women. Some of them probably could have in a former age, but it is harder now and so they have been moved from wheat to chaff.

But, to the extent they tried to form a family - through genuine effort without ridiculous self applied barriers - they have done all they could do on that front and I have no issue with then. And where they have done other things in support of the West they have been genuinely good and in some cases worthy of laurels.

But when they try to rationalise away their failures, rather than meet reality head on, by proclaiming their reason for bachelorhood as a philosophical adherence to MGTOW they go wrong. Still, if they can atleast keep their ego salve contained to their own heads then nobody will care or bother them.

But when they cease to be quiet and instead defend, support, and advocate for the anti-Western MGTOW lifestyle they join the feminists, SJWs, and the rest in attacking the West.

And nobody wants to hear about how you give the West the thumbs up with your left hand, whilst you slap it around the face with your right hand.

Blogger Purge187 December 11, 2017 10:44 AM  

@23: God's words about being fruitful and multiplying were less of a command than an invitation to the blessing that being a parent can sometimes be. And even if it were a command, I think it's one of the few commands of His that we've followed through on.

Anonymous fop December 11, 2017 10:54 AM  

A sexbot would improve my life guaranteed

Heh. Wait until the warranty runs out and the thing starts to break down and smell like cheese before it gets hacked by russians.

Anonymous Neo December 11, 2017 10:54 AM  

"At some point, women have to step up their game"

Wtf is this nonsense? You have to be completely illiterate on female psychology to even demand something like this.

Women are not going to just "step up their game". Because women are naturally degenerate. Even the goodest of good girls will become a slut if she is given freedom and permission to be one. It is MEN's job to tame women and keep them under control.

But modern men are cucked. They have given their women too much freedom to do whatever they feel like. Worse, they've allowed them to believe that endless self-indulgence is a virtue. The inevitable end result is the widespread degeneracy you see today.

To reverse this trend, men must uncuck themselves. Reject the endless self-indulgence. Reject "sexual liberation". Reject feminism in all its forms and purge it from society by force. Essentially you have to become the oppressive patriarch that the mainstream denounces.

I have applied this in my personal life. And it works wonders. Most women fall in line and learn to enjoy the company of a man who will dominate and lead them. The few that don't are beyond saving and should be swiftly dumped with maximum contempt and humiliation.

If enough of you embrace this approach, you can change society for the better. But if you can't, go ahead and become a MGTOW cuck. Whine endlessly about how the problem won't fix itself. And how you're going to just give up, run away, and condemn us all to an even more degenerate future.

Blogger bw December 11, 2017 11:08 AM  

what is the point of defending one's nation if one does not also act to perpetuate it?

Would say "gonna leave a big mark", but ...

Blogger Judge_Holdem December 11, 2017 11:20 AM  

What can I say? He makes my point for me. The fear emanates from his missive like a visible fog. While we can't dismiss him as a useless parasite due to his past military service, what is the point of defending one's nation if one does not also act to perpetuate it?

The ironic thing is that MGTOW denigrate women for making choices that preclude their becoming wives and mothers. And then, they promptly declare that they are justified in doing the same. Where is the male leadership in that? That is not leadership, it is the precise opposite.

A strong rebuttal, scarcely refutable.

I, too, have written books, recorded music, and even written a few dozen pages of comic books. And I can declare, with more than a little authority, that the most important thing I have done for both the West and humanity is to marry Spacebunny and have children with her. MGTOW are every bit as wrong about the importance of their individual accomplishments as the college girl who is focused on her degree and her career instead of her family life.

I'm not really familiar with the whole MGTOW concept. If it's descriptive, rather than ideological and requiring some kind of profession from adherents, the above claim would seem to be trivially dismissed by citing such "MGTOW" figures as Newton, Tesla or Turing. These men accomplished more in their sleep than a million fish-faced bar sluts in a misspent lifetime. I've read enough of VD's responses to know this argument can probably be easily shot down, but how exactly?

The accomplishments of just the men listed must have enabled the expansion of the Western population by millions, each and separately.

Blogger Judge_Holdem December 11, 2017 11:21 AM  

Not familiar with Blogger platform, quotation tags did not render, sorry.

Blogger tz December 11, 2017 11:21 AM  

I do have some positive advice for MGTOWs.

The biggest thing is to move away from the Hillary Archipelago. The women voted for and are like Hillary. There are places where the women voted for Trump, and while they may be employed, the Christendom family structure still abides. It isn't perfect as the man-fault divorce laws are everywhere, but that culture is not, and if the woman has a traditional Father and Mother who believe in traditional marriage it will be harder for her to divorce.

You might have to adjust your lifestyle, but the cost of living is often much lower and there is Internet, and Amazon Prime delivers (and UPS, FedEx, and the USPS pick up if you have an online business). If you have a trade like welding there are plenty of jobs, and there are some in mining (there is a surplus of men in the Bakken (ND), but you might even have a chance there as most men aren't looking for wives).

So the very first step is to fish in a lake, not a desert. Instead of having to Next every two dozen immediately, you might be 50/50 or better to pursue marriage.

The second part is to find an uncucked church. Here there is one churchian church, two might be half, the other half dozen or more are traditional.

The third part is to assimilate into their more rural culture - they don't want to be progressive, so don't push them. You should already realize that they are doing the right things if they are still shining cities on the hill, so assume you need to do what they are doing. You might find you enjoy the county fair and hunting. There's a lot more outdoor activities, as an alternative to the gym.

That won't guarantee success, but makes it more likely than not. And that is part of why America is tearing itself apart. The blue and red areas can't get along. You shouldn't want to be in a blue multicultural vibrant area anyway.

In times past, people moved to the cities because there was more opportunity there. It has come full circle in that now the opportunities are elsewhere.

It also doesn't have to be totally rural, even Topeka and Omaha will be better than anything on the left coast, and the deep red is a short drive away. If there is manufacturing, a non-vibrant factory town can have the culture. (Avoid meat packing towns until the illegals are purged). Find some place that is a breath of fresh air, take a deep breath, and start looking.

Anonymous Svensons December 11, 2017 11:22 AM  

The most important thing a man can do is to spread Christianity, forcing it on populations*.

* The people does not convert to the religion preached by a militant minority, but to the one imposed by a militant minority. Christianity and Islam knew it; Communism knows it. (Gomez Davila)

I could never have children knowing they could end up in hell. Again, Matthew 26:24 is clear on this, annihiliatonism is not supported by the Bible, it's the position of weaklings.

Now if your IQ is 150, then having children could be considered an improvement of society (most likely; Einstein's son Eduard ended up in the loony bin).

But why should average guys perpetuate their lousy genes? I'm genetic scum. On the one hand, my genetic scumness---average IQ; mental issues; dropped out of school, ugliness including other physical shortcomings, depression, suffering from meaninglessness from 16 onwards and during my whole twenties, almost vomiting on my diet of Schopenhauer, Cioran, Caraco, Mainländer, Bahnsen, von Hartmann and so on---helped me finally ending up as a Christian. Ecclesiastes describes best how I felt, only that I wasn't even an ounce as successful as Solomon.

(I also see supporting women having children out of wedlock as a sin, and as supremely dyscivic. Sterilize them: abortion is sin, but sterilization is not; it can't be, since the Bible teaches it's best not to marry. Sterilizing single mothers is a view that Travis Hale of altrightchristian.com takes as well.)

So in this regard, the poor in spirit really have an advantage, which Lewis understood, too (in Mere Christianity). On the other hand, I'm a drain on society mostly and my life sucks. If I was an atheist, suicide would be the rational choice (as I wrote earlier, I hanged myself seven years ago when I was 23, and only my incompetence saved me; I only lost consciousnesss, had I succeeded, it would have meant eternal damnation).

Keep in mind that if you never had been born, you could not be deprived of anything. You have to exist to value your existence. Also, you are always having children without their consent, which, of course, is impossible anyway. While I accept that this is God's creation, so God's rules apply, I find the mechanics pretty offensive. After all, I had no say in the matter if I wanted to live. Since suicide gets you into hell, you've _got_ to play this game. (Gomez Davila, who was a deeply religious Catholic, wrote that Christianity is an infamy that we should not disguise as courtesy/kindness.) Of course, with Christ one has hope, but again, never knowing if he won't say to you: I never knew you, depart from me you worker of lawlessness.

If your argument is that we have to produce as many souls as possible, you'd end up with laughable policies like legalizing rape or forcing people to have children. And what use is this, if most people end up in hell? Again, Matthew 26:24! Our Lord knows best.

Now being a Christian, I of course have a lot more hope and motivation, but I still have to struggle with my mental deficiencies and introversion, even though Christ has helped me improve in this regard. Still, introversion can be quite awkward. VD had a post on how religion is especially important of the disadvantaged:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-fallen-atheist.html

In Hallpike's "Do We Need God to Bb Good?", he writes that for many this life is a "vale of tears". Religion can remedy this, on the other hand Christianity also provides a pretty frightening world-view, even if you have hope, you never know if you won't be cast into the Lake of Fire (I don't buy the once saved, always saved doctrine, nor the salvation by works stuff of the Catholics. And I had a born-again experience.) Our last hope, as Gomez Davila wrote, lies in the injustice of God.

EOF part 1

Anonymous Svensons December 11, 2017 11:23 AM  

part 2

We don't know how skewed the writer of that email is. I don't think he is of as high genetic quality as Vox Day (whose father alone is pretty impressive). Keep in mind that when I write that I'm "genetic scum" this is not some emo-like attempt of self-hate to gain attention and consolation; it's as objective a fact as my height or weight or eye colour. And it does not have anything to do with my worth as a human being; in Cuckservative, Vox Day makes this point as well. Acknowledging that people, for example, differ in their IQ scores does not mean they are Untermenschen.

The modern world has its comforts, but they come at a price. Not only is today's world uglier than ever, our societies too are uglier, colder, less meaningful, especially work itself. And they are immensely crowded. It's sickening.

And as I mentioned, more geniuses were alive during times when the world's population was just about a billion, if that. So the quality matters a lot more. Even Vox Day himself made the point that Britain was a world power with a lot less Britons than are alive today. So what's the deal? Germany's population in 1800 was about 22 million, and yet it was at its cultural peak.

If you have children, make sure at least that they understand that there is nothing else beyond or besides Christianity. Make them believers, everything else I see as parental neglect. And single motherhood should be shunned as it was in the past, for example during the millennial kingdom (from Constantine to the fall of Constantinople). The 6th to 12th century, from Constantine to Dante, were golden times, as Gomez Davila rightly observed. But of course you can't choose during which century you live, so there is no use in crying over the glory of past centuries.

And please, spam me, ban me, if I get on your nerves. I'm thankful, Vox Day, that you played a role in bringing me to Christianity---I've read TIA five months before my Christ experience; looking back, this was a process that started around the year 2012; my conversion and worldview is similar to that of Joris-Karl Huysmans:

http://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/jkh/rpf.html

We need to take hell seriously though. Christianity is both, a worldview that gives hope _and_ terror. It's on the one hand frightening, on the other hand it offers hope for the downtrodden. But since I was born-again, and I experienced Christ's power, I simply have to accept it. And indeed, if there is no God, there is not only no morality, there is no meaning either. Which, of course, Gomez Davila knew as well:

We should not conclude that everything is permitted, if God does not exist, but that nothing matters.
Permission ends up being laughable when what is permitted loses its meaning. (#200)

I'm waffling, but hell is real. Judgment is real. This is horrific.

Anonymous EH December 11, 2017 11:26 AM  

"What can I say? He makes my point for me. The fear emanates from his missive like a visible fog. While we can't dismiss him as a useless parasite due to his past...."

Lying, projecting and doubling down in such a small space is comically effective, though Vox is seldom intentionally funny. Working for fathers on a couple dozen child custody cases might change Vox's lack of fellow-feeling. (or, I suspect, not)

Blogger Nate December 11, 2017 11:37 AM  

EH

More fear. Crawl in a hole and die.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) December 11, 2017 11:53 AM  

More fear. Crawl in a hole and die.

Compost everything

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) December 11, 2017 11:54 AM  

If you don't have kids, you don't understand real fear.

Blogger S1AL December 11, 2017 12:18 PM  

"If it's descriptive, rather than ideological and requiring some kind of profession from adherents, the above claim would seem to be trivially dismissed by citing such "MGTOW" figures as Newton, Tesla or Turing."

The difference is simple: Newton, Tesla, and Turing chose to not marry in order to better focus their efforts.

MGTOW's choose not to marry because it might end badly.

And even then, there's good reason to point out that the world might have greatly benefited if those brilliant men had children. But at least they did something other than complaining about how unfair life is.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 11, 2017 12:32 PM  


Then in the 1980s that all started to change. Support systems that promoted the advancement of women were coming into play. Women didn't need men anymore other than for recreational sex.

Down hill trends were set in motion for the Gamma Male. His traditional means of acquiring status were stripped away from him one by one. Husband, gone. Head of a household, gone. Career advancement, gone.

They only means the Gamma man had left for acquiring status was identity. Adopt the identity of a high status group and you in turn receive that identity's status. Yes, you would have to publicly shame yourself as an oppressive tool of the privileged patriarchy, even if you weren't all that privileged. But because of "effort justification" you would be even more committed as a male feminist for having humiliated yourself repeatedly in public. The Gamma men had learned to love Big Brother.

Sadly those Gammas that manage to take the Red Pill aren't all that better off because they are still Gammas. Unless brutal self-assessment, followed by rigorous self-improvement is conducted, the only identity open to the Red Pill Gamma Male is that of the PUA hating MGTOW.

Anonymous Lucy December 11, 2017 12:51 PM  

Then your mom is also a degenerate then. ��

Blogger Factory December 11, 2017 1:15 PM  

One thing I never seem to see answered when people criticize MGTOW, is why those men should care one iota what happens to 'society'. A civilization is no better than the way it treats its least popular segment, for example. Does your admonishment to 'man up and marry those sluts' (which, frankly, is exactly what you are saying) hold any value for those individual men? You can say all this is men's fault (for allowing it to happen), but can you expect millennials to carry on civilization when the Boomers are the only beneficiaries?


Personally, I agree MGTOW is a lonely, civilizationally fruitless pursuit, but like nearly every TradCon alive, you simply exhort men to man up and marry those sluts because reasons...? How exactly are individual men supposed to protect themselves from wildly unjust Law - are they supposed to 'change the system from within'?


Honestly Vox, you don't makd a good argument here for one simple reason: the civilization you expect men to preserve is virulently anti-male, anti-white, and so politically correct that, without massive wholesale changes to at the very least Family Law, its *crazy* to involve yourself with a woman.


Read 2 Timothy Chapter 3. Pay attention to the bit about iniquity causing the love of many to wax cold. I'm betting God understands MGTOW, and put it in the Bible because it is inevitable in this society. What I dont get, is what you expect men to do to protect themselves, or failing that, why they should take massive personal risks to 'save' a society that increasingly openly hates them?

Anonymous Killua December 11, 2017 1:33 PM  

Heh. Wait until the warranty runs out and the thing starts to break down and smell like cheese before it gets hacked by russians.

ROFL XD

Blogger Patrick Pham December 11, 2017 1:55 PM  

Shame will not straighten out the sort of men who are amiable to MGTOW. You may look down upon them for their fears and their sour grapes approach to wife and family, Vox, but tradcons have failed everyone long before anyone in this comment thread was born. If society valued marriage so much, there would be laws to reflect the prevailing morality. Alas, there are not.

You are exhorting them to be men, to be alphas, but marriage must work for everyone on the status totem pole, from beta bucks to disinterested deltas to bitter gammas. Marriage has always worked in favor of high-status men. They always had their choice of attractive and loyal mates. Marriage is a way to keep lesser-status men invested in society, to prevent their mates from cheating and to prevent them from behaving caddishly.

You can't reconstruct any society with alphas alone. Ultimately, a leader without followers isn't much of a leader at all.

Blogger VD December 11, 2017 2:11 PM  

agree MGTOW is a lonely, civilizationally fruitless pursuit, but like nearly every TradCon alive, you simply exhort men to man up and marry those sluts because reasons...? How exactly are individual men supposed to protect themselves from wildly unjust Law - are they supposed to 'change the system from within'?

Very well. Let's just get rid of them all, since they are useless and are a net drain on society. Since they owe nothing to society, society owes nothing to them.

We'll drive them out and they can go their own way somewhere else. Where shall we send them, the South Pole?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener December 11, 2017 2:54 PM  

@82 Others' past failings are no excuse for our present failings. Anyone who wants to succeed in life has to be resilient.

Blogger Koanic December 11, 2017 3:25 PM  

MGTOWs are vastly better than the low SSMV white knights they would otherwise be.

Blogger Cloom Glue December 11, 2017 3:35 PM  

Svensons wrote:
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Sterilize them: abortion is sin, but sterilization is not; it can't be, since the Bible teaches it's best not to marry. Sterilizing single mothers is a view that Travis Hale of altrightchristian.com takes as well.



That is illogical. The celibacy of not marrying is to more surely serve God, and to not accidentally serve a wife. That kind of "not marrying" is not to prevent the birth of children, like sterilization. Some are called for spiritual reasons, to not-marry, and most are not called to it but all are just warned to serve God unfailingly.

Similarly, some MGTOW (I am not saying you are) also pretend they are following that scripture, as though they have support for their cause, and they do not, because they are not praying-without-ceasing and not living a saintly life.

They are mostly all atheists, humanists, and agnostics, and anti-Christian, and discard their own Christian heritage, and disregard God and many of them pointedly say so, mockingly, if the subject comes up.

Blogger Janus December 11, 2017 3:45 PM  

And this is why MGTOW's disgust me - both the 2nd commenter and karsten are so convinced that their individual contributions amount to anything meaningful.

He genuinely thinks "thousands of pages of comic books I've written, drawn and lettered, the dozens of CDs of music I've recorded or the almost-nine books I've published." is relevant in the slightest - and yet in truth, the entire lifetime of all his achievements is as small and worthless as a grain of sand compared to the combined actions of his potential tens, hundreds, thousands, etc... of descendants. And ALL it would take for him to gain this, is to have 4 kids and raise them well enough to ensure they have kids of their own and do the same as he did for them for his grandkids.

Want an example? Genghis Khan, one of the greatest conquerors and figures in all of human history has millions of living descendants today. His own achievements stand as nothing before the millions upon millions of people who descended from him. That is his true achievement - in a very true sense, he established his own permanent nation in the annals of history.

As for the commenter, his legacy in the history of Mankind will be nothing but ashes, cold and forgotten nearly the moment his flame has burnt out.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener December 11, 2017 3:51 PM  

@86 Increasingly I think there are also a lot of selfish hedonists who can't imagine settling for any woman less than a 9 or giving up some of their toys and freedom to support a family. I know lots of guys who fall into this category; they have girlfriends, and their girlfriends even want to get married and have children, but the guys won't accept anything that looks like work or responsibility.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel December 11, 2017 4:10 PM  

Haven't eunuchs always been apart of civilization?

Blogger Factory December 11, 2017 4:28 PM  

VD wrote:Very well. Let's just get rid of them all, since they are useless and are a net drain on society. Since they owe nothing to society, society owes nothing to them.

We'll drive them out and they can go their own way somewhere else. Where shall we send them, the South Pole?



While I understand MGTOW is unfit for the purposes of 'keeping western civilization alive' in your view, I again ask just what exactly men are to do? Here is a shortish video by John Hembling (aka JohnTheOther), who works to defend people falsely accused of rape. In it, he references three Canadian laws / pending legislation which make conviction upon accusation nearly certain.


https://youtu.be/ho2UPMQli5c


How exactly is Joe Sixpack supposed to 'man up' in the face of such circumstances. While I would like to suggest your perspective is a bit tilted due to your long string of successes, frankly the smarter move is to ask your advice, given those successes.


We get it, you think MGTOW are dyscivic influences. How do you propose to fix this situation, without demanding men simply kowtow to the feminine imperative 'for the common good'?

Anonymous patrick kelly December 11, 2017 4:55 PM  

Austin Ballast wrote:A question I am trying to figure out is what I should be doing now that my wife of almost 30 years has decided she wants to be single instead of married and I have no living family to invest in.

I am highly unlikely to find a single, virtuous woman at this age. A few rare widows exist, but most that are single are very steeped in the mess.

The time of raising the next generation is well past, quite unfortunately in many ways.

Some of us got the short end of the stick VD in spite of working otherwise.


Join the club, er, I feel your pain. Very similar to my situation.

My Easter Orthodox Christian faith makes divorce and new marriage at this stage of my life a bit more complicated than some. I claim no virtue or righteousness toward women, engage in dangerous flirtation and conversations with ones I find attractive, but frankly none motivate me to pursue much further.

Austin Ballast wrote:Though I doubt I will ever be full MGTOW since too much of that goes against my core beliefs.

Yeah, it's been tempting to drown in whiskey, porn, video games etc. hoist the Jolly Roger and say fk u universe, you don't give a shit about me, why should I care any more about anything other than whatever temporal desire I have.

But I don't. My parish family looks out for me and I'm sure my Mom still prays for me.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 11, 2017 4:55 PM  

There aren't many women who are fit to be wives or mothers. Almost 30 years ago I was living in a micropolis of 70,000 people, and I couldn't find a decent woman that I would take a chance on. They were all either psychotic, feminists or bar sluts, and the bar sluts looked like the best bet of the three. I wouldn't be married if I hadn't found an Asian import after the oil spill. I can't imagine that the situation has gotten any better in the two plus decades since I was single.

So, what's a beta or delta to do? Even if he finds and catches a good woman, he's going to be hard-pressed to keep her good. About half of the marriages wind up being metaphorical suicide missions, so even if you marry and impregnate, odds are barely better than 50-50 that you will have any real part in raising the kids. If you don't try, the odds are far worse.

Maybe the non-alpha's safest bet for progeny is to find single mothers and knock them up in a long term relationship. The worst case there is child support and absentee fatherhood, and that's less downside than a bad marriage followed by a bad divorce.

I have two daughters who have been raised well, but in this society, it doesn't make much sense for a man to take a chance on them. Both would like to marry young and have children and a life like their mother's, but where are they going to find a man? If they do find a man, how can he trust that they will remain with him?

I have a son who will be looking for a wife in a few years, but in this society, where to look? If he finds a good young woman, how can he trust that she will keep on wanting to be married to him?

The crux of the problem seems to be that women simply have no mechanism for commitment: no-fault divorce means that no man can trust any woman to stay with him.

Blogger Koanic December 11, 2017 5:33 PM  

You can't expect God to allow Americans to avoid the curse due to them for their failure to enforce Old Testament justice. The curse will exact its price on everyone's family.

"The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, 13Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it: 14Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. 15If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts: 16Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate."

Anonymous VFM0265 December 11, 2017 6:06 PM  

Wow, thanks, Duke! These will be awesome. I appreciate the heads up, Man!!

Anonymous Jay Will December 11, 2017 6:16 PM  

I should try these churches, but its the UK? All churchian surely?

I walk in and their banging on about how it turned out Jesus loved the bum boys after all.

Blogger tz December 11, 2017 7:49 PM  

Also remember before we had no-fault divorce and such we had "Shotgun Weddings". It was the girl's parents, almost always the Father with the shotgun.

I would say it worked far better.

Blogger tz December 11, 2017 7:59 PM  

@92 - exactly. Agreed.
1. We need to convince the Demi-God Emperor Pence to propose a "covenant marriage" at the federal level that would supercede "no-fault" divorce, so filing for it would be considered abandonment and the woman would get ZERO. If we can have Gay Marriage shoved down our throats, we should be able to have a covenant marriage that is harder to get out of than student loan debt.

2. Barring that, I don't know how we create (what shouldnt be) alt-Singles, those that are looking for life-mates and families, not hook-ups.

The closest thing is my suggestion - going whatever the equivalent of Yenta Galt is. Also, as a parent, you can vet the mates for your children. While there is still free will and romance, I think they would be relieved and welcome finding a good potential mate material, "you've been pre-approved".

Anonymous Killua December 12, 2017 1:08 AM  

Wait until the warranty runs out and the thing starts to break down and smell like cheese before it gets hacked by russians.

Hillary Clinton: Russians hacked the sexbots! They made their owners fall in love with them and convinced them to go vote for Donald Trump!

As far as this topic goes, I think both sides have good points. On one hand, western civilization will dissapear if western men don't reproduce. On the other hand, MGTOW have a good point. The divorce rate nowdays is around 60% and, in the vast majority of the cases, is the man the one that gets finnancially screwed. Add to this the prevalence of false rape accusations, and the entire anti male and anti sex politically correct campus culture ("YES means YES!!" "if a woman had alcohol in her system by the time you had sex it means you raped her!") and I can totally understand young men who opt out of the dating market and retreat into porn and video games.

Blogger John Wright December 12, 2017 3:28 AM  

"And I can declare, with more than a little authority, that the most important thing I have done for both the West and humanity is to marry Spacebunny and have children with her."

I applaud the sentiment. I often say how glad I am I had kids before I started writing my science fiction books, so that I did not have a false view about what is important in life.

Immortal souls last forever. Raise a child well, and you make a new voice for the choir of heaven. Human accomplishment is trash, and fame is less than trash. Write a good book, and it will go the way of all mortal things, sooner or later.

Anonymous Matthew Morgan December 12, 2017 3:28 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:I have two daughters who have been raised well, but in this society, it doesn't make much sense for a man to take a chance on them. Both would like to marry young and have children and a life like their mother's, but where are they going to find a man? If they do find a man, how can he trust that they will remain with him?

Sir, I'm a single Christian man. You & I need to exchange contact info.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 12, 2017 8:58 AM  

Matthew Morgan wrote:Sir, I'm a single Christian man. You & I need to exchange contact info.

I believe Automatthew has my contact info, and he is welcome to pass it along to you. We are in Interior Alaska, which might not be convenient for you.

Anonymous Matthew Morgan December 12, 2017 5:19 PM  

@101

Ok, who is Automatthew (an admin?), and how can I reach him?

Someone can also DM me on Twitter and we can go from there.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 12, 2017 5:45 PM  

Yes, one of the administrators. He hasn't been very visible lately. Or was it Markku I corresponded with? I don't do any of the social media.

Anonymous Matthew Morgan December 13, 2017 1:25 AM  

Just email me:

morgan "dot" matthew "dot" 1981 "at" gmail...

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