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Wednesday, December 13, 2017

More cracks in the EU

The Eastern European countries are not backing down now that they know the costs of the EU are higher than the promised benefits:
Last week, the EU moved to punish Poland over its refusal to accept refugees by taking away its voting powers in the European Council. But if the row escalates much further it could push Poland out of the bloc, according to Renata Mienkowska, a political scientist at the University of Warsaw.

Ms Mienkowska explained the EU is unlikely to be able to punish Poland, which has refused to accept refugees into the country since the refugee crisis began in 2015. It will need a unanimous vote by all other EU members to ban Poland from voting on the European Council. But the bloc is unlikely to achieve this, given the EU has also moved to punish Hungary and the Czech Republic for the same transgression, and the three nations are likely to back once another.

Ms Mienkowska told Die Zeit: "The EU has tried to intervene on several occasions, but too little and too late. Unanimity is needed for the withdrawal of the right to vote in the European Council - it does not exist because Hungary is on the side of Poland."
‘Warszawo, walcz!’

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Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 13, 2017 7:08 PM  

Wisegrad group must be alarming to someone in Brussels.

Blogger Phillip George December 13, 2017 7:15 PM  

Polish pilots saved Britain at the Battle of Britain. It would be nice for Britain to return the favour.

Anonymous Godfrey December 13, 2017 7:17 PM  

Send all the migrants to Brussels. And may they burn it to the ground after cutting the throats of the Euro Techno-trash dictators there.

Anonymous Tipsy December 13, 2017 7:19 PM  

I just hope that when the Visegrád Four leave the EU, they'll be smart enough not to replace it with a smaller version of the EU. Some thought needs to be given to the question of whether a common market is desirable in Central Europe and, if yes, how to structure it politically.

Also: I'm guessing when the V4 leave the EU, some peripheral states, like Slovenia, Croatia, Lithuania, and even Austria might join them. The EU may one day say: I could have had a V8!

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 7:21 PM  

Phillip George wrote:Polish pilots saved Britain at the Battle of Britain. It would be nice for Britain to return the favour.

British gratitude and memory did not even survive WWII. They stabbed the Poles in the back at the end of WWII when they dropped the Polish Government in Exile in London in favor of recognizing the Soviet puppet regime in Warsaw instead.

Blogger Francis The Pope December 13, 2017 7:33 PM  

Besides the whole stabbing Poland in the back after WW2 issue, did Polish pilots really "save Britain"? Look at it now, they are overrun with foreigners, I cannot imagine how Britain ruled by the German Reich could ever be worse than it is now.

Blogger bobby December 13, 2017 7:35 PM  

Cool.

Pexit, Hexit, and Czexit!

Anonymous Mayonnaise December 13, 2017 7:38 PM  

When I was younger, "dumb Polack" jokes were all the rage. (Why did the Polack put ice in his condom? To keep the swelling down.)

My, how times change. Now the Poles are the smartest people in the room.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 13, 2017 7:38 PM  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/13/ukraines-refugees-find-solace-in-poland-europes-most-homogenous-society

Poland is currently hosting a large number of displaced Ukrainians. The Poles have every right to roll the Tanks through Berlin to get the point across, if the EU insists on pushing this further.

Actually looked into this previously. Western Poland invading Eastern Germany is incredibly doable given the geography. In a daylight move, Polish armor could completely surround Berlin with much ease, then blockade any move to try and reinforce the entire NE of current Germany.

The irony of the Poles capturing Berlin isn't lost on me, either.

Blogger weka December 13, 2017 7:47 PM  

The UK parliament have voted against giving May carte blanche to produce legislation after negotiation for Brexit. A hard exit is coming. And, despite London's fears, Britain will survive.

And should then stand with Poland.

(Remember that at the end of the war the socialists / Labour were running Great Britian, and had no spine).

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 13, 2017 7:51 PM  

There really is a limit to what Brussels can do to recalcitrant member states. If it's too onerous, annoying, or humiliating, that member state will just leave. And there's nothing the EU can do about it.

Which is why they're pushing for an EU army.

OpenID widlast December 13, 2017 7:52 PM  

Good for them. The Poles really seem to know what they're doing, and WHAT THEY DON'T WANT.
Czech's too. Hungarians DEFINITELY.

Blogger Felipe Zapata December 13, 2017 8:00 PM  

No more Polack jokes from me.

Blogger Invisible Man December 13, 2017 8:02 PM  

Do juncker, Merkel et al seriously think the 100s of thousands of 'migrants' allowed into Germany in 2015 will just passively integrate ? Merkel and her buddies have imported the means of Europe's destruction, which is what they want, and Poland knows it.

Anonymous karsten December 13, 2017 8:03 PM  

"Actually looked into this previously. Western Poland invading Eastern Germany is incredibly doable given the geography. In a daylight move, Polish armor could completely surround Berlin with much ease, then blockade any move to try and reinforce the entire NE of current Germany."

Poland had exactly this kind of arrogance prior to the entry of the Wehrmacht in 1939. Then they got taught quite a lesson -- and of course, then they went crying to every nation around to save them from the oh-so-mean Germans, whom they thought that they could whip; just like a little punk who picks on someone bigger than he is, then, when he gets his butt kicked, whines to his parents and teachers about the "big, mean bully."

Besides, what is today eastern Germany (historically central Germany) is the saner part of the nation. (In Saxony, the AfD won the most votes of any party.) That's the part that's trying to actually save Deutschland from Merkel (who has pretty substantial Polish roots, by the way).

"Besides the whole stabbing Poland in the back after WW2 issue, did Polish pilots really "save Britain"? Look at it now, they are overrun with foreigners, I cannot imagine how Britain ruled by the German Reich could ever be worse than it is now."

Exactly. The "saving" of Britain only meant opening the door to Judeo-Bolshevism, first to occupy Poland for decades, and later, to morph into Cultural Marxism and ensure the demographic replacement of the English.

A German victory in the war would have meant Britain would still be white today, and infinitely more socially conservative and less degenerate -- in short, more British -- just as Vichy France was still in all ways French -- a lot more than today's France is.

Blogger Dave W. December 13, 2017 8:19 PM  

"Western Poland invading Eastern Germany is incredibly doable given the geography."

Hell, for awhile, Western Poland WAS Eastern Germany. Wroclaw changed hands many times before it went back to Poland after WW2. They still call it Breslau in some places in Germany.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 13, 2017 8:23 PM  

Which is why they're pushing for an EU army.

Not gonna happen, because not workable.

Anonymous Causal Lurker December 13, 2017 8:32 PM  

Here's an idea who's time may be about right again. Anyone have a spare Hapsburg archduke handy?

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 8:38 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Which is why they're pushing for an EU army.

Not gonna happen, because not workable.


We have seen a Pan-European Army in the past...it was called the Waffen SS.

Before that, to find a Pan-European Army you would have to go back to Napoleon. The army that invaded Russia with Napoleon was called the "army of 17 tongues" by the Russians, mocking the very multi-national "French" Grande Armie.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 13, 2017 8:48 PM  

@19

So? Napoleon's still dead. So's Hitler.

Not gonna happen in current year, because not workable in current year.

Anonymous Difster December 13, 2017 8:56 PM  

They'll just change the rules to make it so they don't need a unanimous vote.

Blogger Sean Carnegie December 13, 2017 9:00 PM  

Pan Euro army also can't happen because they can't afford it. Look at what each individual state spends on their military (read: not much) and expect each nation to spend exactly how much on the upkeep? Besides, you expect France to pay for German troops or Belgium to pay for Italy's? Awful lot of history to point at that being a non-starter.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 13, 2017 9:07 PM  

@16 Dave W.

I want to make a "Brandenburg will rise again!" joke, but we're probably at the "too soon" point.

I made a WW1 joke a bit ago, in another place, it and was "too soon".

@21 Difster

More than likely, but they're going to cause themselves issues when they do.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 9:08 PM  

> Some thought needs to be given to the question of whether a common market is desirable in Central Europe and, if yes, how to structure it politically.

The only real requirements for a common market are clearly defined (or ideally no) tariffs between the countries and easy conversion between the currencies.

Blogger Michael Neal December 13, 2017 9:40 PM  

People need to ditch the loser nazi fantasy shit already

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 9:45 PM  

The only real requirements for a common market are clearly defined tariffs (ideally none) between the countries and easy exchange of the currencies involved. Google seems to have changed the requirements to post on the blog, as my attempted posts have been disappearing all day. Testing now.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 9:46 PM  

Apparently scripts from quantserve.com now have to be enable to allow posting. That didn't used to be the case.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 9:56 PM  

Forgot to add the quoted part. My first comment above was in response to Tipsy's comment #4..

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 13, 2017 10:05 PM  

@9 Looking Glass
Western Poland invading Eastern Germany is incredibly doable given the geography. In a daylight move, Polish armor could completely surround Berlin with much ease, then blockade any move to try and reinforce the entire NE of current Germany.

NATO country P invading NATO country D while NATO country U still has military assets in both countries?

Paging Harry Turtledove.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 13, 2017 10:08 PM  

Karsten, Britain more conservative and less degenerate under Nazi rule???

Do you even Pink Swastika, bruder?

Blogger Purge187 December 13, 2017 10:10 PM  

"No more Polack jokes from me."

One more and we'll start the rally: how do you stop a Polish Army tank? Shoot the guys who are pushing it.

Blogger Lazarus December 13, 2017 10:20 PM  

I'm so lonely. I did something bad and I don't know what it was.

Pity me.

Blogger Fenris Wulf December 13, 2017 10:23 PM  

Re: Polack jokes. I remembered the one about the submarine with a screen door, and I wondered if Poland had a submarine fleet in WWII. It turns out they did. This is an amazing story that deserves to be a movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Orze%C5%82_(1938)

Anonymous Looking Glass December 13, 2017 10:49 PM  

@27 A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

Never said it was a brilliant idea that Poland should immediately plan to do. But a lot of potential conflicts revolve around basic geography and a Poland -> East Germany rapid move to capture Berlin for a time being would be extremely difficult to defend for Germany. Especially if it was cloaked properly and done as a pure surprise.

Those types of events happen when we get further down the line of where things are right now, but, hey, Donald Trump is President of the United States of America. Look at the things that are Possible, not Expected, for the foreseeable future.

Anonymous 11B December 13, 2017 11:19 PM  

Remember when Ukraine had its protests in 2014 with one side demanding closer integration with Europe. Are the Ukrainians still clamoring to get into the EU and take on their share of migrants?

Anonymous Locke December 14, 2017 12:31 AM  

So when does Western Europe go Soviet and try and occupy Eastern Europe to subjugate it to their will?

OpenID phenixrising16 December 14, 2017 12:47 AM  

(Lifts pint glass of beer, gesturing in the direction of Pòmòrsczé wòjewództwò)

"Na zdrowie, kuzyni!"

Anonymous Looking Glass December 14, 2017 1:12 AM  

@33 Locke

The would need functioning ground armies for that. They really don't have them.

Blogger szopen December 14, 2017 2:26 AM  

@8
"The irony of the Poles capturing Berlin isn't lost on me, either."
We did captured Berlin, you know. In 1945.

@15
Poland had exactly this kind of arrogance prior to the entry of the Wehrmacht in 1939. Then they got taught quite a lesson -- and of course, then they went crying to every nation around to save them from the oh-so-mean Germans, whom they thought that they could whip;
You got it wrong. (1) Until early 1930s (Before Hitler's rebuilt Wehrmacht), Poland COULD whip Germans on our own. (2) You confuse the propaganda with official stance. No government ever will tell its soldiers and population "hey, we are f*d". However note that Polish military plans were strictly defensive and included plans of withdrawal. No one in higher echelons had any illusions about the results of the war, propaganda directed at minions nevertheless. Moreover, it's not like we started it; Germany put demands impossible to fulfill unless Poland would be already defeated, especially after Czechoslovakia experiences.

AS for V4....

http://pre06.deviantart.net/6dd1/th/pre/i/2014/176/9/d/visegrad_group_by_janemin-d7nyq3f.jpg

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 14, 2017 3:25 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:@33 Locke

The would need functioning ground armies for that. They really don't have them.


That and the population of Germany even with Turks is elderly, its the Demography of Florida as a county, median age like 48

If Germany did this, Turkey would be in Berlin in a few hours anyway

Trump obviously won't go along with such a thing but if such a thing were tried under some Leftists admin the EU would have to rely on the US to make such an invasion happen and while the officer core being made of many liberals might be OK with it, the Enlisted might not I'm not sure we could afford the money or tolerate the risk of WW3

Its a non starter

Blogger David Power December 14, 2017 4:28 AM  


This story being wilfully ignored by the MSM...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/13/jean-claude-juncker-drawn-back-wiretapping-scandal/

Anonymous vfm 0202 December 14, 2017 5:36 AM  

You know who else wouldn't back down from Polish aggression?

Some mornings all I got is snark.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 14, 2017 7:00 AM  

@25  There are browser incompatibilities.  You simply cannot post using Pale Moon in Firefox compatibility mode, for example; recaptcha will run you through a half-dozen tests and still throw out your post as being from a robot.  Same browser in native mode:  it doubles up but lets it through.  Brave on the same machine, no problem.

Some other blog software is the exact opposite.

Blogger Lazarus December 14, 2017 7:22 AM  

browser test

Blogger wreckage December 14, 2017 9:01 AM  

There's absolutely no reason why nations can't have everything they might get from the EU (Apart from sit-down money) without any of the interference.

The EU is now doomed, and typically for a Germanic peoples political project, it will be destroyed by overreaching practical and useful goals in the hopes of getting something perfect, but stupid.

The entire shebang is now headed down the inevitable path laid out by its predecessors.

Expect booming sales of bunkers and handguns.

Blogger wreckage December 14, 2017 9:08 AM  

@30 Holy sh**, the wikipedia entry read straight is all you need, that's a top shelf war movie right there!
I can't wait for an American film company to utterly ruin it...

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 14, 2017 12:18 PM  

AB.Prosper wrote:If Germany did this, Turkey would be in Berlin in a few hours anyway

I thought that half of Turkey was in Berlin already.

Anonymous Reziac December 14, 2017 12:38 PM  

@25 @40 Can't post on ANY Blogspot blog using SeaMonkey (close kin to Palemoon); have to break out the Hated Chrome. [2nd try, since Chrome ate the first one.]

Relevant to topic; much is explained:

http://takimag.com/article/the_nutball_the_neocons_wanted_in_nato_patrick_buchanan

What's not explained is cui bono -- who gains what from the evident goal, a U.S.-Russia shooting war? ("Military/industrial complex profits" and "der evil joos" lack sufficient logic, tho "the madness of Soros" remains a contender.)

Blogger great_o'rety December 14, 2017 2:58 PM  

@15: karsten wrote:
Besides, what is today eastern Germany (historically central Germany) is the saner part of the nation.


It had been "historically central Germany" for like fifty years or so.

Blogger James Dixon December 14, 2017 5:12 PM  

> Can't post on ANY Blogspot blog using SeaMonkey

Yes, Pale Moon is definitely having issues. Brave is working fine. Unfortunately that's not an option at home. I had it working earlier today, but now it's broken again. Though I see my one past that disappeared earlier is now back, so I have a duplicate.

Blogger James Dixon December 14, 2017 5:14 PM  

> You simply cannot post using Pale Moon in Firefox compatibility mode

Whereas the converse used to be true and compatibility mode worked better. :( Things seem to have changed yesterday though. It was working before then.

Blogger Sithicus December 15, 2017 5:44 PM  

We will fight. For God, Honour and Fatherland.

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