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Wednesday, December 13, 2017

Republicans never learn

The cucks are eager to bury Steve Bannon in light of Roy Moore's apparent defeat in the Alabama special election:
The big loser in Tuesday's Alabama's special Senate election was not the Republican Party. They had already lost weeks ago, the moment the Washington Post wrote their (carefully vetted, in this instance) exposé of the thirty-year-old sexual proclivities of Judge Roy Moore.

It was checkmate from the start.  In this #MeToo era with politicians flying out the window as fast as you can say Conyers and Franken, the Republicans were damned if they did and damned if they didn't -- support Moore, that is.  And Moore didn't do himself any favors with an execrable performance during an interview with Sean Hannity shortly after the allegations. He was, to put it mildly, not ready for prime time. To be honest, Moore sounded pretty dopey, even if he was innocent, which he didn't come close to proving.

In many ways, the Republicans are lucky not to have Moore to deal with in Congress.  They can face obvious White House aspirant Kirsten Gillibrand and her merry band of hypocrites with a straight face.

No, the big loser Tuesday is Steve Bannon, the sometime movie producer cum finance expert cum political strategist that some claim put Donald Trump in office and then left the White House to better support the president from without, or so he said. In this instance -- purportedly to do that, I guess -- he went against Trump, who originally backed the more establishment candidate Luther Strange, to back one of Bannon's own, Judge Moore.
Moore would have won if the cucks and the Republican establishment hadn't joined forces with the Democrats to bury him. Now the cucks are crowing, cuckishly, in the belief that they have managed to turn back the nationalist, populist tide. After all, a defeat in the reddest of so-called "Red States" means that America is back to business as usual, right?

Wrong. All this new Tripartite Alliance accomplished was to alert millions of Americans that the Republicans and the Democrats are a single bi-factional ruling party whose interests are diametrically opposed to American interests. It also underlined the obvious fact that there will be no political solution to the identity politics that divide the American nation from the various other nations now striving for control of the imperial capital.

We are now one small step closer to the dissolution of the US empire. Not because Roy Moore was going to prevent, or even delay, that, but because the complete charade of representative democracy is that much more apparent to average Americans. We can safely anticipate more women, boys, and animals coming forward, decades later, in every election that the Democrats feel they have to win. The ever-forgetful media will be exultant over its restored electoral veto, unaware that there are now investigative reporters and information channels that are entirely outside its control.

Steve Bannon isn't going anywhere. Neither is the God-Emperor. And neither of them has even seriously begun to fight. And then, there is the fact that the special election is not actually over.

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Blogger lannes December 13, 2017 5:36 AM  

Moore reminds me of that Senate candidate from Missouri who just would NOT read the writing on the wall.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 13, 2017 5:38 AM  

The hit job on Moore was organized out of the #Never Trump camp. This is why, with only 1 bullet left, always put it into the traitors among you.

Blogger lannes December 13, 2017 5:41 AM  

Moore reminds me of that Senate candidate from Missouri who refused to see the writing on the wall.

Blogger Nathan December 13, 2017 5:46 AM  

So much faster into the dumpster fire that is the future!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer December 13, 2017 5:50 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:The hit job on Moore was organized out of the #Never Trump camp. This is why, with only 1 bullet left, always put it into the traitors among you.

Agree, although it is disheartening unfortunately what Vox has been saying is being illustrated for all. Elections aren't going to solve this problem. The identity voting block combined with the people foolish enough to listen to the GOPe's lies is enough to defeat the populist movement. McConnel got a major win here and he will continue to be a thorn in the GEs side because of it. The GE, being a negotiator, is going to soften his tone at least in the short term, to try and work with McConnel again.

The last thing to hope for in terms of a peaceful solution is that the GE has mounds of evidence on the swamp creatures that he is going to release and use to prosecute them to the fullest. Based on rumblings that may be the case but I think it is a less likely scenario.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 13, 2017 6:00 AM  

"Moore would have won if the cucks and the Republican establishment hadn't joined forces with the Democrats to bury him."

Get that truth out for all to see for in the coming days, uniparty and the MSM will attempt to isolate the Moore supporters in order to make them think their choice of candidate reflects bad decision making.

It's not lost on me that self avowed "principled" conservatives not only acted on unsupported accusations but accusations that were in collapse. There is nothing principled about that hence the contradictory behavior of the RINOs, Cucks, and Conservatism Inc. These dudes joined lynch-mob lite.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 13, 2017 6:03 AM  

OT: is Torba coming around on community guidelines?

"I'm not going to take each post to SCOTUS to determine if it is or is not an imminent threat. If an account is consistently, repeatedly, and directly promoting violence, warned about it, and continues it then we will take further action against the account. Plain and simple."

https://gab.ai/a/posts/16068706

Anonymous Looking Glass December 13, 2017 6:09 AM  

@4 basementhomebrewer

It's been a while, but the GOPe also torpedoed Mo Brooks in the Primary. The runoff should have been Brooks vs Moore, but they spent a lot attacking Brooks in the runup to that as well.

All told, the GOPe probably spent 50 million to throw the AL Senate race, if they didn't get there guy. This is advanced Swamp Protection, but it's definitely the Swamp doing the Swamp thing.

I don't know the details of election law in AL, but I wonder if Moore can drag this out for a couple of months?

Blogger Wolfman at Large December 13, 2017 6:16 AM  

From the outside this very much looks like a pyrrhic victory. The Dems were barely able to defeat Moore despite throwing an enormous amount of resources at the race and resorting to obvious and detectable election fraud.

and the prize is a single senate seat and the chance to gloat on tweeter?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 13, 2017 6:21 AM  

"the prize is a single senate seat and the chance to gloat on tweeter?"

No one ever accused the useful idiots of thinking long-term.

As for the non-idiots, we should probably be looking for the hidden poisoned dagger they're likely readying as a backup plan for their escape when the ship fails to attain escape velocity.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer December 13, 2017 6:22 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:@4 basementhomebrewer

It's been a while, but the GOPe also torpedoed Mo Brooks in the Primary. The runoff should have been Brooks vs Moore, but they spent a lot attacking Brooks in the runup to that as well.

All told, the GOPe probably spent 50 million to throw the AL Senate race, if they didn't get there guy. This is advanced Swamp Protection, but it's definitely the Swamp doing the Swamp thing.

I don't know the details of election law in AL, but I wonder if Moore can drag this out for a couple of months?


He has to either get within .5% or foot the recount bill himself. Given that Alabama likely has more than it's fair share of swamp creature bureaucrats, the costs of the recount will be sky high to dissuade Moore from attempting to fund it.

The thing that gives me hope is the likely hood that fraud took place here (not that it will ever be caught). All of Washington was aligned against him and focused on this race for 2 months. Wouldn't be surprised if they decided they were going to get a win by any means necessary. The hopeful part is, if that is the case, then they do not control as many people as it appears.

Blogger Nathan December 13, 2017 6:26 AM  

Think now the Left will really go after Trump with the sexual harrassment allegations. Weinstein et. al was practice for them to be able to get the biggest fish.

Blogger Nathan December 13, 2017 6:26 AM  

(btw, not the same Nathan as above)

Blogger Howard Stone December 13, 2017 6:28 AM  

Jones got just about as many votes as the Democrat did in the last AL senator s at race, while it seems that over half a million republicans who voted for Sesions didn’t show up to the polls this time around.

Anonymous Takin' A Look December 13, 2017 6:28 AM  

Take this grape vine rumor with a grain of salt. Moore and Trump set up traps for voter fraud. It's gonna get VERY ugly.

Blogger wreckage December 13, 2017 6:35 AM  

Contra Vox, I think what this shows is that Alabama is not voting white identity yet; it will next time around, if, as many now say, it becomes clear that the D's won it on anti-white identity politics.

It seems likely D will see this as a success for their identity politics mindset AND for increasingly unsubstantiated character assassination, which will both contribute to cementing "our guy no matter what" white identity politics.

Short version: Alabama has only begun to turn to the "new normal", all identity, all the time.

Anonymous Takin' A Look December 13, 2017 6:45 AM  

Forgot link.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1513141736688.png

Anonymous ZhukovG December 13, 2017 6:48 AM  

As I said in the previous thread, now is not the time to be down. It is time to advance. A lot of people who were perhaps on the fence about the Alt-Right can be brought over.

Remember, elections are not the battle. They merely alter the terrain of the battlefield.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain December 13, 2017 6:49 AM  

I hope the Left enjoys that I and many others no longer care how dirty we play.

Blogger Johnny December 13, 2017 6:59 AM  

There would seem to be a generational thing to this identity politics business. A lot of older people formed their political opinions back when stuff like integration was less extreme and more justified, and thus more easily supported. Now it is little more than pandering to blacks and lefty politics coming at you.

Blogger mgh December 13, 2017 7:03 AM  

Keep your eye on your women. Here on the ground in Ala it appeared to me that they began to cave the last few weeks and went for Jones. Democrats have a potential winning formula for the next Prez election.

Anonymous NL December 13, 2017 7:09 AM  

What we must realize from this fiasco is various right wing constituencies have to be reflexively controlled by the people who are genuinely trying to represent their interests: The more unhinged elements of the religious right, ultra-hardcore neocons/Zionists, the constitutional autists, Esoteric Reganists, and a decaying assortment of Paulbots still intent upon abolishing that gol-durned IRS

Left to their own devices, they'll hang themselves. The evangelical right had zero idea what to do after Reagan, bar doubling down on their crusades. If Trump had lost the primary to Cruz, who would then have gone on to lose to Hillary, they would still be masturbating furiously at Red State and The Blaze about Jesus, Low Taxes, Abortion, Israel, and Liberty™.

Most white evangelicals are good people in the day to day affairs of their lives. They're neither stupid nor low class as snarky liberals believe. But a side-effect of their beliefs combined with the programming of the conservatard media empire lead to political impotency in the long run. There's a certain nobility inherent to their fundamentalism, an active nihilism that attempts to hold the line against an ever encroaching modernity through sheer force of will. But that's not a long term solution. I once read a story about a company of 8th Army soldiers in WWII who had been pinned down and shot to bits by the Afrika Korp. When the reinforcements broke through, they had to wrestle the rifles out of the hands of the dazed and dying men. What we're dealing with here is an absolutist sense of duty and conviction, not the inbred hicks of bugman imagination. Their unyielding spirit helped build Anglo civilization in the New World. This idea of Capital P Providence and mission is absolutely central to overcoming the vicissitudes of life in a wild and savage land. The nationalist right must find a way to communicate their long struggle has not been in vain, and that the reinforcements have arrived with new directives.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan December 13, 2017 7:17 AM  

Roll back the tide, roll.

Blogger Sherwood family December 13, 2017 7:19 AM  

We have to flip those who are amenable and exile those who are not. We cannot afford to keep around so called moderates waiting for the opportunity to shoot us in the back. They are controlled opposition and have to be got rid of.

Blogger Duh-ave December 13, 2017 7:21 AM  

This looks like a repeat of the 1996 senate race in Illinois. The Chicago GOPe was butthurt that their pick was upset in the primary and actually threw their support behind Dick Durbin. If there was election fraud in Alabama the first suspect would be the local GOPe.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 13, 2017 7:28 AM  

The part I'm laughing about is that when everything is taken into account Roy Moore should have lost by double digits.

He didn't.

There is even the minuscule chance that victory can be snatched from the jaws of defeat.

To hear the Cuckservatives tell it they are Carthaginians at Cannae but the truth of it is they are a lot closer to the Mexicans at the Alamo.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2017 7:31 AM  

So, the Uniparty Establishment has set a new standard for acceptable slander in a Senate race. I don't think they will like it as much when their new rules are applied to them.

Blogger Nathan December 13, 2017 7:33 AM  

There are a lot of us...

Blogger Silly but True December 13, 2017 7:34 AM  

"Moore sounded pretty dopey, even if he was innocent, which..."

Okay, so all sides are clear, the standard _is_ guilty until proof beyond all unreasonable doubt.

I don't want to hear anyone on the other side nbit hing in the future.

Blogger Demonic Professor El December 13, 2017 7:39 AM  

Plus, what happens if the new Senate goes to a tie? Mike Pence is what happens.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2017 7:39 AM  

Tangent: I wonder how many Democrat operatives with bylines have been forgetting to say "alleged" while in the thrall of their Social Justice Cult fervor? If Roy Moore doesn't eek out a last-minute Hail Mary win, then there is no reason for him to be magnanimous, and I have a feeling that the lawsuits could be epic.

Anonymous Xpop December 13, 2017 7:45 AM  

Numerous relatives in Alabama telling me that evangelical/mega-church pastors and even local GOP officials were encouraging Republicans to vote Jones. The Alabama state legislature passed a law the day before saying that the polling places could destroy their vote records to prevent a recount. Looks like Jones' margin of victory was less than half the number of write-in votes for Alabama football coach Nick Saban. TOTAL BETRAYAL.

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist December 13, 2017 7:49 AM  

Jones got 94% of the vote Clinton got. It was a presidential level turnout for them.
Moore got 50% of the vote Trump got.

Same thing happened in the VA blue wave. GOP vote was down across the board in the state districts.

The other special elections after Nov. 2016 show the same pattern. Republicans won them, but by much narrower margins then they should have.

Dems are fired up. GOP voters aren't. And, because of demographics, there are less of them.

And the RNC chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel, is useless.

I have no idea how the GOP morons avoid an electoral bloodbath in 2018.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 13, 2017 7:52 AM  

Roll Cucks.

Anonymous White Sharia Now December 13, 2017 7:56 AM  

“I have no idea how the GOP morons avoid an electoral bloodbath in 2018. “

How about running actual MAGA nationalist/populist candidates instead of cucked esoteric Reaganists or Bible-thumping jailbait chasers?

Blogger Ransom Smith December 13, 2017 7:58 AM  

Keep your eye on your women. Here on the ground in Ala it appeared to me that they began to cave the last few weeks and went for Jones. Democrats have a potential winning formula for the next Prez election
As a reminder women's suffrage was a mistake. I'm willing to bet money they were the votes Jones gained.

Blogger Demonic Professor El December 13, 2017 8:01 AM  

What makes us think they didn't haul in buses from ATL? Deathocrat playbook says "lots of voter fraud needed. More than 2016."

The Republican votes may be less than 2016 in these special elections, but that doesn't mean the Dems aren't going to double up on fake votes. Remember - they always double down.

As for logistics - let's hope they investigate and Trump unleashes hell.

(I'm still waiting for national voter ID laws...)

Blogger StrawMan December 13, 2017 8:11 AM  

To be clear .. A lifelong New York Democrat who has done nothing substantial for his own agenda appoints a Hollywood/Goldman Sachs guy as his political advisor. The Hollywood/Goldman Sachs guy leaves and supports a kid diddler (if you believe the allegations)/weirdo (if you don't) over a qualified guy and reliable vote (Luther Strange). Meanwhile the base is too busy posting on 4Chan/Reddit and investigating cheese pizza. And those who aren't on this train are the cucks? I've been a nationalist since the 90s and as much as I wished there was a real nationalist movement in the US .. there isn't. This is a freakshow.

Blogger Demonic Professor El December 13, 2017 8:11 AM  

There's also this news, that seems to go less reported, on Trump appointing more judges:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/trump-poised-set-record-appeals-court-judges

Anonymous Philalethes December 13, 2017 8:11 AM  

Keep your eye on your women.

That's the point – the cow (female elephant) in the room that nobody is mentioning. It was Republican women who gave Jones the election. Yesterday Infogalactic News linked an article at Reuters that quoted a Republican woman who said she voted for Jones – clearly because the smear campaign worked on her. (I went to the article this morning to find the quote, but it's been totally rewritten to enthusiastically celebrate Jones' victory.)

MPAI, indeed, but also keep in mind that most people are women, who are herd animals, significantly more easily managed than most men (who are already bad enough in that regard). And if given the vote (note that it was given to them, they didn't earn it – unless nagging is earning) they will reflexively use it, without thought, relying as always on their "feelings" (which are childishly easy to manipulate, as politicians know), believing that it makes them "equal". Thus not only are women the majority of the population, they are also now significantly the majority of voters.

And the RNC chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel, is useless.

Not exactly; she's doing precisely what she was put there to do. So long as women are in charge of the political process, totalitarian collectivism is inevitable. It's the only system they understand. (Okay, NAWALT. But the exceptions are just that: exceptions.) The "19th Amendment" was the death knell of the Republic.

If you allow [women] to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they are your fellows, they will become your masters. – Marcus Porcius Cato (the Elder), 234-149 BCE (That's twenty-two centuries ago.)

A disappointment, indeed, but as VD says, it won't stop History. The death of an empire is never pretty. The "soft landing" Trump is attempting has never really been done before; that he is having any success at all is already something of a miracle.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 13, 2017 8:12 AM  

@35

In Alabama you have to show your ID to vote. They check that ID against a voter roster and highlight your name on the roster. You then have to sign a register. There are procedures for cases where someone comes in and doesn't have ID or is not on the voter roster, but they too contain safeguards against fraud and are checked after the election to make sure the vote is legitimate. The vote is not counted until then.

I'm pretty disappointed, but we didn't get to this state overnight and turning things around is going to be a long process with set backs along the way.

Blogger cavalier973 December 13, 2017 8:13 AM  

Dems are fired up. GOP voters aren't.

Dead people and cartoon characters were really excited about voting for Doug Jones.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 13, 2017 8:15 AM  

Roy Moore's not conceding? Good. Even if he doesn't manage to win, I want him to make this recount a fucking nightmare for them. I hope we get someone looking for possible voter fraud too. They deserve to be treated with all of the grace and dignity they have offered to us.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 8:15 AM  

> It also underlined the obvious fact that there will be no political solution to the identity politics that divide the American nation from the various other nations now striving for control of the imperial capital.

This is the 1850's. When political solutions fail, there is only one form of solution left. No one is going to like what's coming, but the die was cast a good 20 years ago. It's far to late to stop it now.

> McConnel got a major win here...

Yes, and his actions here are a strong indication that he was probably also the one behind the attack on Rand Paul. After all, if framing someone for sexual wrongdoing is on the table, what's off of it?

> I have no idea how the GOP morons avoid an electoral bloodbath in 2018.

As long as it's the establishment GOP that gets taken out, we don't really care.

Yes, that means they may have the votes to try to impeach Trump. He knows that, and is probably ready for it. And don't forget that federal funding still runs out on Dec. 22nd. After this demonstration of the loyalty of the GOPe, what incentive does Trump have to keep the government running?

> What makes us think they didn't haul in buses from ATL?

They always do. Voter fraud is a way of life for the Dem's. It appears it was massive in this case.

Anonymous Ages December 13, 2017 8:22 AM  

The Republican votes may be less than 2016 in these special elections

But that's why this is so bad. Usually it is the opposite; generally Republicans have the leg-up in midterms and special elections.

If Republicans can't take the effort to rationally weigh their options and vote to help secure Trump's agenda, then the coming judgment is deserved. When they find their children being stalked in the street by migrants and losing their future to diversity, they will have only themselves to blame.

I firmly believe that Trump's agenda is the last hope for America without massive upheaval and bloodshed (and if half of conservatives can't even manage to vote, they won't have the stomach for that fight). Our chances are slipping away with every day of Congressional inaction, and Jones makes it that much harder.


There is no point in being Pollyanna about this. This was a bad and unnecessary loss. People need to wake up to the stakes, which must be cast in the starkest of lights to wake up the sluggards.

Anonymous krymneth December 13, 2017 8:24 AM  

Democrat turnout being all-but-100% of the Presidential election while Republicans only got 50%, for a vote result that is very very close to "just barely enough for the winner", doesn't pass the smell test.

I'm still ambivalent about the whole Q thing (neither enough solid proof to say "yes" for sure, nor enough lack of evidence to say "no" for sure; there's certainly a lot of weird stuff going on that is not hard to explain via interesting machinations). But along with the fact that this result doesn't pass the smell test, I will observe that it is pretty obvious to anyone here with minimal strategic sense and an understanding that yes, Democrats cheat in the vote way more the Republicans, that Trump must clean up the elections before his re-election campaign, and has a very strong preference for cleaning it up before the midterms. And yet, with 50% of the time down, we've seen only the feeblest of twitches in that direction in public; the appointment of a commission, IIRC, which has not made the news and has done nothing. So it strikes me as plausible that they intend to use this election as a concrete demonstration of the problem.

Roleplaying a bit, what would I do if I wanted to prove, in public, beyond a shadow of a doubt that vote manipulation was taking place? I'd provide video that shows the same two or three people (preferably together, to really show it's not coincidence) voting in multiple precincts. I'd provide video of them getting off the bus, getting back on the bus, and showing up in the same bus at the next precinct. I'm specifying video because I want to prove this in the court of public opinion as well as real court. Charges that can be very hard to prove after the fact with whatever circumstantial evidence may have been lying around, even in this age of ubiquitous surveillance, can be very difficult, whereas preparations can make this sort of thing easy.

So... are they at least this smart?

If this is the case, my prediction for how this would go down is: We can't hear anything today, or probably even this week. It takes time to put this together, even with modern computer assistance. However, you don't want the election to become Old News, so it needs to stay in the news. Turns out that's easy; demand a recount. This predicts that if the automatic recount clause isn't triggered that Roy Moore will pony up the dough to fund a recount pretty much no matter the price, and will try to draw out the drama (waiting until closer to the deadline than necessary) and even maximize it a bit (say a few seemingly-needlessly-inflammatory things) just to keep it in the news. The alternative is to try to bring this up in a month, but I think that would be failing to strike while the iron is hot.

(Also, to be clear, I'm not trying to hold myself out as a prognostication expert here; this is about putting the hypothesis out in public for testing.)

Blogger seeingsights December 13, 2017 8:25 AM  

Roy Moore was a flawed candidate. I take no credence in the sexual misconduct allegations against him, but some of his remarks during the campaign were cringe worthy.
So fault does have to go in part to Bannon, for backing a flawed candidate. And I say this as someone whose political philosophy is more similar to Bannon's than to any pubic figure today.

Blogger Demonic Professor El December 13, 2017 8:26 AM  

@James Dixon

In regards to funding, Trump's possible impeachment, etc.

What long term victory do the GOPe think they have? If Jones makes it to the Senate, the RINOs will start voting against Trump all the time - no tax reform, all amnesty, and so on.

Perhaps 2018 and 2020 will be a reckoning.

In any case, as long as Trump gives us the time to prepare, that's all we really hoped for...

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 8:30 AM  

How many churchgoing, college-educated virgins on good terms with their dads voted for Jones? I hear there are so many of them that a REAL MAN can marry one if he believes in himself.

You're this close to being spammed. If you can't stop bleeding your omega butthurt about your complete inability to attract a woman here, then go away.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2017 8:35 AM  

seeingsights wrote:Roy Moore was a flawed candidate. I take no credence in the sexual misconduct allegations against him, but some of his remarks during the campaign were cringe worthy.

So fault does have to go in part to Bannon, for backing a flawed candidate. And I say this as someone whose political philosophy is more similar to Bannon's than to any pubic figure today.


Don't be retarded. If Roy Moore toed the globohomo line, he'd've been a shoe-in.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 13, 2017 8:35 AM  

The Alabama state legislature passed a law the day before saying that the polling places could destroy their vote records to prevent a recount.

A court order was requested by an organization that supports Jones was to preserve the memory in the electronic scanners used to count ballots. The ballots themselves (which are the audit trail) are preserved. The request was refused. Some idiot movie director, David Bowies' son, was on twitter yesterday calling for a military coup because of this. He saw it as an attempt by the GOP to steal the election.

The voter fraud occurred when the Democrats and GOPe successfully smeared Moore. Moore was ahead until Jefferson County reported in. Jefferson county contains Birmingham which is heavily black and Democrat. There were lots of ads on black radio stations painting Moore as a racist. Charles Barkley was on the radio telling all the cucks that voting for Moore would make Alabama look bad. Its possible that there may have been some shenanigans in Jefferson County, but I don't think they had to bother. The Democrat strategy is clear. Do anything necessary to suppress Republican turnout. Our side has to find a strategy to counter that.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 13, 2017 8:35 AM  

There is no such thing as an electoral defeat for the Alt-Right! Any result can be used to advance our cause. Enough with the hand wringing already. Defeatism is surrender to evil. Don't do it.

Ad Victoriam! Ave Imperator Trump!

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 8:35 AM  

> If Republicans can't take the effort to rationally weigh their options and vote to help secure Trump's agenda

The majority of he current Republican party doesn't want the Trump agenda. They want the status quo.

> So fault does have to go in part to Bannon, for backing a flawed candidate.

Did you miss the part above where the GOPe first sabotaged Mo Brooks? They didn't want a good candidate. They wanted Strange, who would have been in McConnell's pocket and not backed Trump's agenda.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2017 8:36 AM  

A shoe-in due to not facing a full-court press of opposition and outright slander, even from his own party. That's how much they hate us; they would rather lose.

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist December 13, 2017 8:39 AM  

"Our side has to find a strategy to counter that. '

Yes. This is what concerns me. I don't think the GOP has any strategy for 2018. They cuck and fold so easily anyway and of course, we have to deal with the traitors in our camp.

Alabama is such a frustrating loss. That is a Chuck Schumer vote now through December of 2020. And it was completely self-inflicted.

Anonymous Anonymous December 13, 2017 8:41 AM  

OT, turns out Lauren Southern was an unrepentant mudshark all along. https://youtu.be/eSx9QaiG3uI

Anonymous krymneth December 13, 2017 8:42 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:There is no such thing as an electoral defeat for the Alt-Right!

Well, even if there is no 4D chess and this is a straight-up defeat, it still has to be considered in light of all the winning to date, all the winning that appears to be lined up on deck, and all the winning Trump can do even without Congress' help. It's a transient disappointment at worst.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 13, 2017 8:44 AM  

I don't think the GOP has any strategy for 2018.

I suspect that the GOPe strategy for 2018 is to lose their congressional majority. Or at least as much as they can. I expect conservative members to be sabotaged. Then the GOPe can cite that as a reason why they can't get anything done and why we all have to get along, that is pass CoC friendly legislation and legalize us some immigrants.

Anonymous Godfrey December 13, 2017 8:46 AM  

A battle is not the war. The war continues.

Since your economic future has been destroyed you have no other choice. Disrupt, frustrate, undermine... let these be your purpose. Do everything you can to war against their corrupt system. And ALWAYS remember it runs at your and your families expense.

They get rich while you wallow in ever increasing poverty.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 13, 2017 8:47 AM  

As you command. I respect your orders, talents, and accomplishments, if not your wishes, and thus am a thorn in your side. It's a child's place to ask for bread in his father's house, and take yes or no for an answer.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 13, 2017 8:48 AM  

Undocumented Civilizationalist wrote:. This is what concerns me. I don't think the GOP has any strategy for 2018. They cuck and fold so easily anyway and of course, we have to deal with the traitors in our camp.

Cuck ... fold ... traitors ... that is the GOPe strategy. And it's been a very profitable strategy for them.

Blogger Bobiojimbo December 13, 2017 8:52 AM  

In lieu of the Project Varitas videos about vote fraud, I'm surprised that re-counts and an investigation aren't automatic now. Could you imagine if it were proven that Jones won by fraud?

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 9:03 AM  

> Could you imagine if it were proven that Jones won by fraud?

Yes, I can. What is it you think would happen exactly? Let's see, history says a) a few low level flunkies thrown to the wolves, b) a slap on the wrist for the second tier folks, c) the high level folks are never touched. d) The election stands as counted, e) repeat ad infinitum.

Everyone already knows the dem's commit voter fraud every election. No one in the system cares.

Blogger seeingsights December 13, 2017 9:13 AM  

Setbacks are inevitable. But those who fight for national sovereignty and against the globalists will ultimately prevail, for we are on the side of reality.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 13, 2017 9:17 AM  

McConnell and Ryan barely took out Moore, but in the process they seriously damaged themselves. If this loss results in their rapid removal from leadership it was well worth it.

Blogger Cleveland Screamer December 13, 2017 9:18 AM  

@Bobiojimbo Vote fraud? You mean you don't believe the narrative that blacks turned out in Obama-level droves to avenge the alleged 40-year-old assault of a white girl? Dasss racisssss.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2017 9:22 AM  

Random: Why are Muslim terrorists so shy about attacking America's ruling class? Aside from 9/11, it's like they're on the same side against regular folk. And given how easy it would be to target an exclusive private club instead of a public event, 9/11 has to be discarded as an aberrant statistical outlier.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 13, 2017 9:25 AM  

Moore was a typical boomer narcissist, could not stay focused and disciplined and on message can't say I will miss him and his braying reactionary politics. And then when his taste in young women comes out in the public he gets dodgy instead of being a shitlord.

I think maybe Christians should look for a pit bull who will throw sand in the gear box of the hate machine instead of yapper who barks to hear his own voice.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 13, 2017 9:28 AM  

Could you imagine if it were proven that Jones won by fraud?

There is no question that the Democrats will use fraud to win elections but they can only do it in states were they can get away with it and the margin of victory has to be small enough to do so. I know people who work as volunteers at the polls here. They are all old people who are retired. The chances of any of them assisting anyone, Democrat or GOPe, cheat are pretty much zero and the safeguards against cheating are robust. Of course you could have isolated instances, but widespread cheating just isn't possible.

Jones' margin of victory is less than the percentage of write in votes. The senior senator from Alabama, Richard Shelby, publicly stated that he could not vote for Moore and instead cast a write-in vote.

I'm no great political procrastinator, but Jones is most likely is going to lose that seat to someone from the GOPe in 2020 when it comes up for election again. At least that is the GOPe strategy. Lose the seat for two years and use it to obstruct Trump in the meantime. For them losing the seat is a win-win. Expect a heavy push for amnesty, they might even start pushing for including it in the tax reform plan.

Blogger Bucephalus December 13, 2017 9:28 AM  

These are the moments in time that fuel the inevitability of the Alt-Right. These are the birth pangs that are leading up to it. It is inevitable, it will come. Don't be discouraged.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2017 9:29 AM  

Watching the DJIA grind higher and higher, and bond yields hover, hover, hover.... As James Dixon so rightly puts it, this is 1850 (or 1857, I'm not sure of the timing of course.)

The Socionomic Hypothesis holds that no one controls social mood's ups and downs. It just is. This means that while some parts of society have already clearly rolled over (the increasingly obvious inability to tolerate each other is a screaming indicator), we're still "trapped" here in "Inertia Land" until stock and bond prices unequivocally roll over into a downtrend.

In the meantime it's maddening.

Blogger pyrrhus December 13, 2017 9:33 AM  

I wonder if the Republicrats will bother to protest the obvious massive vote fraud in AL? Didn't think so....

Blogger Robert Divinity December 13, 2017 9:36 AM  

Random: Why are Muslim terrorists so shy about attacking America's ruling class? Aside from 9/11, it's like they're on the same side against regular folk. And given how easy it would be to target an exclusive private club instead of a public event, 9/11 has to be discarded as an aberrant statistical outlier.

Part of it has to do with the Ruling Class living outside the reach of terrorism and dangerous illegal aliens. They, too, will suffer if and when a jihadi sneaks a biological or chemical weapon into their orbit. 9/11 is analogous that way. Only when their lives are endangered will they bother to stop the carnage on a limited basis. Until then, they will see as features rather than bugs the acts of terror and illegal alien violence that causes people to embrace government spying.

Anonymous Ryan G December 13, 2017 9:45 AM  

@67 - Illustrated perfectly post 9/11. Shoot-up a nightclub full of queers? Yawn. Set off an IED in the middle of a marathon? Meh. Drive a plane into the Pentagon? WE MUST INVADE THE MIDDLE EAST TO END THIS TERRORIST THREAT NOW.

Looking back, I now believe that had 9/11 only affected purely civilian targets we probably wouldn't be where we are now with the middle east. That's also why I think that immigration won't be tamped down until some senator or other high ranking politician has their son or daughter raped to death by a bunch of Muslims/Other Third World denizen.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 13, 2017 9:48 AM  

I think maybe Christians should look for a pit bull who will throw sand in the gear box of the hate machine instead of yapper who barks to hear his own voice.

Moore definitely is not a skilled political rhetorician. I saw a quote of his the other day again denouncing and denying the allegations against him (good) and it was (bad): "I didn't molest anyone." **Palm to forhead** I had flashbacks to Christine O'Donnell from the Delaware Senate race in 2010: "I am not a witch."

Trump never uses words like grab, grope, harass and certainly not molest when fighting back against his enemies and false accusers because he's a genius communicator and knows better.

Blogger Student in Blue December 13, 2017 9:49 AM  

@Mr.MantraMan
I think maybe Christians should look for a pit bull who will throw sand in the gear box of the hate machine instead of yapper who barks to hear his own voice.

You're waiting for the Second Coming of Christ, not a politician.

You do realize that with universal suffrage, the guy with the most chance to succeed is the guy who talks himself up the most?

You're basically hoping a unicorn shows up because the horse in front of you trots in a way you don't like, despite going the mostly-correct direction. Meanwhile the other horse threw off his supposed riders long ago, ate them, and is sprinting in the opposite direction off a cliff.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 9:50 AM  

> As James Dixon so rightly puts it, this is 1850 (or 1857, I'm not sure of the timing of course.)

No one ever is dc. We can know the general shape of what's coming, but it's exact timing and full details are never clear.

Anonymous Faceless December 13, 2017 9:58 AM  

The GOP is going to lose the Congress because they frittered it away.

You can't pile up the 10-year lies from them -- ObamaCare repeal; restoration of the Bush tax rates -- with the latest fingers in the eyes -- no national reciprocity, no partial-birth abortion ban, a tax hike in this tax bill tied to budget deficits, their profligate deficit spending, their defense of Mueller as part of the Hillary Clinton legacy protection project, no hearing protection act -- and expect people to keep voting for the GOP. The GOPe creatures came to tell us off yesterday; OK, great, but I'd rather have Nancy Pelosi tell me the truth about what she's going to do than the GOP decades of lies. I respect somebody who tells me what they're going to do and then does it.

John McCain will make sure that not one thing on the agenda gets passed, because he is immune to the consequences.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 13, 2017 10:04 AM  

John McCain will make sure that not one thing on the agenda gets passed, because he is immune to the consequences.

What was Trump going to get done next year before mid-terms anyway? He's about to pass tax reform needing only 51 votes and it's a miracle he's going to achieve that. Any other major legislation requires 60 votes in the Senate and that was never going to happen even if Moore had won. And McConnell won't eliminate the filibuster for legislation until after midterms and then only if Trump Republicans have a blow out performance in the elections and demand it. So with Moore winning we'd have got tax reform and more judges before midterms and that's also what we're going to get without Moore. The focus beginning January should be to resist all amnesty efforts and start preparing 2018 primaries and campaigns.

Blogger Quilp December 13, 2017 10:06 AM  

These victories (this and VA Gov race) remind me of an early season Buffalo Bills winning streak, and the hop on the bandwagon types believing, once again, that they are really good this year! Sadly it always turns out the Bills were the result of lucky with turnovers, playing bad teams, and a home field advantage that their opponents couldn't overcome. But reality always came crashing back when facing a quality opponent.
The Cucks are the real problem here, as always. It wont be easy and it wont be quick dealing with them. I sure hope Jeff Sessions can step up and make his term as AG worth it.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 10:09 AM  

The "day after narrative" is always helpful to figure out what the hell happened. And all I see in every news report and forum post is about how Steve Bannon lost this race and Trump is furious with him.

So the strategy is clear to see: the GOPe intentionally crushed Moore to get at Bannon and prevent him from having any influence in 2018. Simple as that.

And when you talk about voter fraud, it's just as likely that the GOP was throwing out its own votes too. Hell, didn't the "Republican" governor allow felons to vote in this election?

Politics has been kabuki theatre for decades now. It's one big uni-party putting on a play for the audience.

And if there's anyone out there who isn't yet convinced that "democracy" is a dumb idea, I don't know what it's going to take to get him to wisen up.

Blogger Some Guy December 13, 2017 10:11 AM  

VD,

I'm in Alabama down in Baldwin County. This place isn't as deep red as everyone makes it out to be anymore. We have a lot of people from California who have moved here over the last 3 years (because they can't afford to live in their home state) and everyone of them votes Democrat. This is a recurring theme throughout the state. As far north as huntsville, I have friends who report the same thing. I think this has more to do with changing demographics in our state of liberals moving in from out of state and changing the political landscape just enough for something like this to be possible.

Blogger Bucephalus December 13, 2017 10:13 AM  

"That's also why I think that immigration won't be tamped down until some senator or other high ranking politician has their son or daughter raped to death by a bunch of Muslims/Other Third World denizen".

Ryan, I am sure Maria Ladenburger does not agree with this. Her "father" still supports the invasion. His daughter was merely a sacrifice.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 13, 2017 10:13 AM  

#70 I'll stand by contention, both Moore and Trump are self loving men, but Moore has about 1/100th the talent at rhetoric of Trump, not even close.

Moore is yet another clown from the intellectual wing of populist conservatism who cannot wait to show off how smart he is and so he is an easy target for any skilled interrogator, decades of fail.

Trump on the other hand will do what needs to be done to disqualify and discredit his interrogators, D&D is a sin amongst the conservative intellectual set because they got truth so we get Moore who will run his yapper about anything thrown in front of him, Foghorn Friggin Leghorn.

Blogger MJ Meyers December 13, 2017 10:13 AM  

She should be in jail. Her attorney should be disbarred. If her attorney knew, she should be disbarred and in jail. Moore has time to focus on his defamation lawsuit and his petition to have Gloria Allred disbarred. We need to fight back. This can't go unanswered. We can take the scalp but not without taking a few scalps with us.

Annotating" (read "altering") a document with location "evidence" of a crime by someone as if written by him, lying that he wrote it, your attorney repeating the lie and refusing to answer that it is not a forgery when asked, and then, 3 weeks later, confessing you wrote it, is "forgery." Forgery is a crime. It's also libel and slander.

This is true, regardless of what Politifact wants to "fact check."

Alabama law. Section 13A-9-4
Forgery in the fourth degree.
(a) A person commits the crime of forgery in the fourth degree if, with intent to defraud, he or she falsely makes, completes or alters a written instrument.
(b) Forgery in the fourth degree is a Class A misdemeanor.

Section 13A-9-7
Criminal possession of forged instrument in the fourth degree.
(a) A person commits the crime of criminal possession of a forged instrument in the fourth degree if he or she possesses or utters a forged instrument of a kind covered in Section 13A-9-4 with knowledge that it is forged and with intent to defraud.
(b) Criminal possession of a forged instrument in the fourth degree is a Class A misdemeanor.

(1) WRITTEN INSTRUMENT. Such term means:
a. Any paper, document or other instrument containing written or printed matter or its equivalent; and
b. Any token, stamp, seal, badge, trademark or other evidence or symbol of value, right, privilege or identification,
which is capable of being used to the advantage or disadvantage of some person.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 10:15 AM  

@73 The focus beginning January should be to resist all amnesty efforts and start preparing 2018 primaries and campaigns.

I think the statement made by the GOPe in this special election is that you're not going to win campaigns without them. They will torpedo whatever candidate you pick that they don't authorize. They've done it for the longest time.

The fact that Trump was able to overcome this hurdle to with the presidency was due largely to his impeccable natural talents.

Blogger James December 13, 2017 10:17 AM  

"After all, a defeat in the reddest of so-called "Red States" means that America is back to business as usual, right?

Wrong. All this new Tripartite Alliance accomplished was to alert millions of Americans that the Republicans and the Democrats are a single bi-factional ruling party whose interests are diametrically opposed to American interests. It also underlined the obvious fact that there will be no political solution to the identity politics that divide the American nation from the various other nations now striving for control of the imperial capital."

But, the people of Alabama had been having that message pounded into their head for weeks. You can lead a horse to water, and all that. There is no amount of "educating" that can be done to a large percentage of American Whites that will make a difference. Honestly, the only thing that they will pay attention to his their stomachs. When Porky can no longer get his Ho Ho's at the grocery store, then he might pay attention. Unfortunately, it will require a severe economic collapse to wake these sleepers up. And Trump will get the blame, not the real culprits.

Blogger Ned December 13, 2017 10:21 AM  

Now the Republicans who threw the election can watch from their "high road" while they're surrounded by DACA chain migrants.

Anonymous gxg December 13, 2017 10:26 AM  

I know people who work as volunteers at the polls here. They are all old people who are retired. The chances of any of them assisting anyone, Democrat or GOPe, cheat are pretty much zero and the safeguards against cheating are robust. Of course you could have isolated instances, but widespread cheating just isn't possible.

The people you know are likely white and conservative. Rule of law and all that? I agree they'd be highly unlikely to cheat. But what about communists and Africans? They have a long, sordid history of vote rigging, across the world and here in the USA.

One sign: The freakishly high turnout in diverse areas. All for a pasty white dude in a non-presidential election? Not buying it. Not in those numbers. Let's imagine a video that counts people entering your average diverse polling place. Would the number of votes match the number of people? Doubtful.

Add an establishment GOP willing to shred a few thousand Moore votes, and fraud is entirely possible. In fact, looking at the numbers, it seems a strong possibility.

This isn't over.

Anonymous Broken Arrow December 13, 2017 10:26 AM  

Anyone here who is wringing their hands about this should stop. It took both the Democrats, GOPe, Evangelical leaders, and the MSM, for Moore to get a likely recount.

2018 is still wide open. Sure the GOPe is a bunch of sons of bitches but the Democrat party is split internally as well between the establishment (Hillary) and the Bernie crowd. Furthermore the GOP is raising way more money which should absolutely not be the case right now.

Throw in the increase in identity politics happening every day there's no reason for the doom talk.

If you are that worked up step away from the news cycle for a few days.

Blogger Student in Blue December 13, 2017 10:28 AM  

@Mr.MantraMan
#70 I'll stand by contention, both Moore and Trump are self loving men, but Moore has about 1/100th the talent at rhetoric of Trump, not even close.

That's an entirely *different* complaint as to what you were harping on about earlier, yet you're passing it off as the same.

Anonymous gxg December 13, 2017 10:35 AM  

Another observation from here in Alabama. People outside the state are complaining (or crowing if they're libs) that Republican voters didn't vote, that Democrat voters were more motivated and engaged, that minority votes were super-excited about Jones.

None of this is true.

It's being reported this way, and the numbers certainly suggest this. But the numbers make no sense. There is no way that Trump voters turned out at 50% while Hillary voters turned out at 95%.

Like I said, this isn't over.

Anonymous SidVic December 13, 2017 10:37 AM  

I just caught J Goldberg on Beck's show discussing the election. He visceral hate for Bannon and Trump leaked profusely. He was disingenuous as hell too. My normally pro-semetic world view is increasingly difficult to cling to.

Blogger Al December 13, 2017 10:41 AM  

What will the consequences be for the queen Drudge? They must be severe.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 13, 2017 10:43 AM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:@35

In Alabama you have to show your ID to vote. They check that ID against a voter roster and highlight your name on the roster. You then have to sign a register. There are procedures for cases where someone comes in and doesn't have ID or is not on the voter roster, but they too contain safeguards against fraud and are checked after the election to make sure the vote is legitimate. The vote is not counted until then.

I'm pretty disappointed, but we didn't get to this state overnight and turning things around is going to be a long process with set backs along the way.


@39 Just like Indiana to a T.

Zaklog the Great wrote:Roy Moore's not conceding? Good. Even if he doesn't manage to win, I want him to make this recount a fucking nightmare for them. I hope we get someone looking for possible voter fraud too. They deserve to be treated with all of the grace and dignity they have offered to us.

@41 Agreed.

SciVo wrote:A shoe-in due to not facing a full-court press of opposition and outright slander, even from his own party. That's how much they hate us; they would rather lose.

@51 Hence ¡Jeb! in 2016. I view the Republicans as a means to an end. We use them to achieve our objectives.

Bobiojimbo wrote:In lieu of the Project Varitas videos about vote fraud, I'm surprised that re-counts and an investigation aren't automatic now. Could you imagine if it were proven that Jones won by fraud?

@58 If he were to win, the head exploding would be fantastic.

Robert Divinity wrote:McConnell and Ryan barely took out Moore, but in the process they seriously damaged themselves. If this loss results in their rapid removal from leadership it was well worth it.

@59 I say we turn the tables on McCucckell next time he's up for re-election.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 13, 2017 10:44 AM  

Faceless wrote:The GOP is going to lose the Congress because they frittered it away.

You can't pile up the 10-year lies from them -- ObamaCare repeal; restoration of the Bush tax rates -- with the latest fingers in the eyes -- no national reciprocity, no partial-birth abortion ban, a tax hike in this tax bill tied to budget deficits, their profligate deficit spending, their defense of Mueller as part of the Hillary Clinton legacy protection project, no hearing protection act -- and expect people to keep voting for the GOP. The GOPe creatures came to tell us off yesterday; OK, great, but I'd rather have Nancy Pelosi tell me the truth about what she's going to do than the GOP decades of lies. I respect somebody who tells me what they're going to do and then does it.

John McCain will make sure that not one thing on the agenda gets passed, because he is immune to the consequences.


@72 That's right, come November after next, a decade since Barrycare. Geez!

What was Trump going to get done next year before mid-terms anyway? He's about to pass tax reform needing only 51 votes and it's a miracle he's going to achieve that. Any other major legislation requires 60 votes in the Senate and that was never going to happen even if Moore had won.

@73 If the GOPe had any balls, they'd rewrite Senate rules that would only require 51 votes for said legislation. The fact that they don't says it all.

Some Guy wrote:VD,

I'm in Alabama down in Baldwin County. This place isn't as deep red as everyone makes it out to be anymore. We have a lot of people from California who have moved here over the last 3 years (because they can't afford to live in their home state) and everyone of them votes Democrat. This is a recurring theme throughout the state. As far north as huntsville, I have friends who report the same thing. I think this has more to do with changing demographics in our state of liberals moving in from out of state and changing the political landscape just enough for something like this to be possible.


@76 If only liberals could be forced to live where they shat the bed...

Anonymous Dan December 13, 2017 10:47 AM  

"So fault does have to go in part to Bannon, for backing a flawed candidate."

You mean Trump?

Anonymous Dan December 13, 2017 10:48 AM  

That is to say, Bannon backed Trump, who was a flawed candidate.

And that was a big win. This should have been winnable. Why didn't Repubs come out?

Anonymous krymneth December 13, 2017 10:49 AM  

Broken Arrow wrote:Anyone here who is wringing their hands about this should stop. It took both the Democrats, GOPe, Evangelical leaders, and the MSM, for Moore to get a likely recount.

Yes. The popular press may play this up as a sign of strength for the GOPe, because the only signal the normies notice is winning or losing, not the much-more-relevant performance relative to expectations, but I'm unconvinced those "in the know" are going to see this as a demonstration of the unstoppable power of the GOPe. Once again they turned their full firepower on their desired goal, and they barely accomplished it. That doesn't scream "join me and we can rule the galaxy together".

And while it's justifiable to worry about the normalization of "five women say bad things happened 40 years ago" tactic, it is physically impossible for this level of attack to be focused on more than perhaps two or three people at a time, because there simply isn't time on CNN and enough attention in the national attention economy for this to be a tactic they can trot out universally. There is no scenario where every Republican standing up for office gets attacked this way because the news media simply lacks the bandwidth to manage such a thing. Plus even the dimmest voter would smell a rat, and there would be retaliation.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2017 10:49 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:In the meantime it's maddening.

I can only imagine. But if the timing were predictable, then trades would arbitrage it away and change it. So, it's practically by definition that the only thing knowable is the fact that what can't go on won't.

Anonymous Anonymous December 13, 2017 10:49 AM  

One of the "tells" that the so-called "nerd prom" is appropriately named is that these politics/media people have no conception of competition, as same entails both winning and losing.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 13, 2017 10:57 AM  

Looking back, I now believe that had 9/11 only affected purely civilian targets we probably wouldn't be where we are now with the middle east.

Agreed. If you think about it, only after Kim developed (or was thought to have developed) an ICBM capable of hitting the East Coast did talk begin about nuclear retaliation. Kim could have hit Guam without nuclear consequences before then, and it's hard to believe a strike on Alaska or even Hawaii would have resulted in equivalent retaliation until those in D.C. personally felt threatened.

We should not discuss the dissolution of the United States Empire as if it isn't happening now, in real time.

Blogger James December 13, 2017 11:01 AM  

Broken Arrow wrote:Anyone here who is wringing their hands about this should stop. It took both the Democrats, GOPe, Evangelical leaders, and the MSM, for Moore to get a likely recount.

2018 is still wide open. Sure the GOPe is a bunch of sons of bitches but the Democrat party is split internally as well between the establishment (Hillary) and the Bernie crowd. Furthermore the GOP is raising way more money which should absolutely not be the case right now.

Throw in the increase in identity politics happening every day there's no reason for the doom talk.

If you are that worked up step away from the news cycle for a few days.


I agree with most of this. However, the Democrat divide will disappear with victories like this. The first few special elections all went to Trump. As the Hillary coalition continued to lose, Sanders' position became stronger. Now that the last three elections have gone to the DemonicRats, your typical respectable, sports junkie voters will view this as "momentum". Donations will pick up. The SJW's will spend less time in safe spaces and more time involved in politics, since they are no longer getting their asses handed to them. For too large a percentage of American White voters, appearance of reality is the same as reality. They prefer not to know who is behind the curtain. Other races are going to vote for what benefits them, but not White snowflakes. Well, I guess they do, but what benefits them is the "tingle" down their legs.

gxg wrote:Another observation from here in Alabama. People outside the state are complaining (or crowing if they're libs) that Republican voters didn't vote, that Democrat voters were more motivated and engaged, that minority votes were super-excited about
Jones.

None of this is true.

It's being reported this way, and the numbers certainly suggest this. But the numbers make no sense. There is no way that Trump voters turned out at 50% while Hillary voters turned out at 95%.

Like I said, this isn't over.


Since when has the truth really mattered in elections? Al Franken was elected by demonstrable fraud, but the matter was not pursued. Who will do the recount? Is the Republican Party involved at all? Does anyone know the procedure for Alabama?

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist December 13, 2017 11:06 AM  

Yes, I am a pessimist when it comes to the GOP because seriously, this party has made losing their gold standard.

I'm just saying that VA, the special election state loses in GA and PA, and now the AL loss are the same trends that led we saw that led to the GOP getting massacred in 2006 and the Dems get massacred in 2010.

Being a defeatist is pointless. But being a Pollyanna and ignoring reality is too. The GOP is in serious trouble going into the 2018 mid-terms and they better freakin' do something on healthcare and immigration (even ending the VISA lottery and chain migration would be a big win!) or no one is going to vote for them and the Dems will take Congress.

I honestly don't think Mitch McConnell wants to lose his Senate majority. He likes the power his position as Majority Leader gives him and he doesn't want to give it up. Same with Cuck Ryan. So I don't think they are purposely trying to throw the mid-terms....

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 13, 2017 11:08 AM  

Some odd observations on the exit polling. Yep, Dems got 90% of their presidential vote out, GOP got 50%. That 50% isn't unusual for non-presidential elections, the Dem percentage is a stunner.

Black females voted Democratic 97-3. That's insane. Ask a large group of people to vote one way, and suppose they all agree to and head out to eagerly do it. Will only 3 out of every 100 mess it up? You've got to be very pleased if that's the case. Totally in the pocket for Dems. Just great, we freed the slaves from the Dems, and then they enslaved themselves right back onto the Democrats.

54% of all voters last night supported the idea that abortion should be made largely if not completely illegal. And they just elected Doug Jones anyway. That's total moral confusion.

And, evangelicals largely stayed but some came to vote for Jones in protest. So most played Pontius Pilate and just washed their hands of the whole affair, and some joined the crowd to shout for Barabbas. End result: they've now got a pro-abort, pro-tranny, open borders, anti-Alabama heritage, Marxist, de facto Connecticut senator representing them. Incredible levels of moral confusion.

The Dems have upped their game. Our side is wandering the hills.

Anonymous gxg December 13, 2017 11:14 AM  

Since when has the truth really mattered in elections?

Since Trump.

And don't forget, Sessions is the attorney general. The Swamp is playing by the old rules. Both sides cheat. For the republicans, this usually means looking the other way as the dems blatantly steal elections. Why? Because the republicans are supposed to be the Washington Generals. But Trump doesn't play by the old rules, and he doesn't care if the G.O.P. establishment burns to the ground.

This isn't over.

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 11:15 AM  

Fun fact: Asking girls what they think of the sex scandals is the best rapport-building PUA routine I've discovered thus far. It also filters people by compatible belief systems.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) December 13, 2017 11:15 AM  

Black females voted Democratic 97-3. That's insane.

Well, black females have the highest probability of having unwanted pregnancies and are not noted for thinking about the long-term survival of the society they are parasites in ... so is it any surprise?

Blogger Robert Divinity December 13, 2017 11:18 AM  

I honestly don't think Mitch McConnell wants to lose his Senate majority. He likes the power his position as Majority Leader gives him and he doesn't want to give it up. Same with Cuck Ryan. So I don't think they are purposely trying to throw the mid-terms....

They just threw a Senate seat overboard rather than put their leadership at risk. It's probably a losing strategy that will damage them in the long run, but they still did it. If it comes between being in the majority or retaining their personal power, history would indicate Ryan and McConnell would have no problem with being in the minority.

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 11:25 AM  

The Dems have upped their game. Our side is wandering the hills.

No. The GOPe is not on our side. Neither are the cucks or the Israel Firsters.

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 11:27 AM  

This should have been winnable. Why didn't Repubs come out?

Many did and voted for the Democrat. Because the national media told them that the Republican was Very Bad.

Never forget that they are the Stupid Party.

Blogger Danby December 13, 2017 11:33 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:To hear the Cuckservatives tell it they are Carthaginians at Cannae but the truth of it is they are a lot closer to the Mexicans at the Alamo.
The Cuckservatives are the Jews of Toledo.

Blogger CJ December 13, 2017 11:33 AM  

Black females voted Democratic 97-3. That's insane.

That's not far off their usual vote. I believe the Steve Sailer chart of Romney voters had black single mothers voting 2% for Romney. There's probably some fraud (most likely casting ballots for people who never actually showed up to vote) pumping up that 97 to 3 figure, but not necessarily that much.

Blogger CJ December 13, 2017 11:37 AM  

Sorry I meant that fraud doesn't pump up the 97-3 ratio all that much. Fraud probably does increase the number of "diverse" votes considerably.

Blogger James December 13, 2017 11:39 AM  

Undocumented Civilizationalist wrote: I honestly don't think Mitch McConnell wants to lose his Senate majority. He likes the power his position as Majority Leader gives him and he doesn't want to give it up. Same with Cuck Ryan. So I don't think they are purposely trying to throw the mid-terms....

Do you really think that an “honorable” Republican like McConnell or Ryan would have any problem trading Senate Majority Leader or Speaker of the House for the Senate and House Minority leader? They will be rewarded by their masters either way.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 13, 2017 11:40 AM  

What looks worse about this us that it showed a clear uni party and an entirely hostile press and still nobody's talking about that.

Sure places like this knew it but now everyone should.

Anonymous WND December 13, 2017 11:44 AM  

I'm pretty disappointed, but we didn't get to this state overnight and turning things around is going to be a long process with set backs along the way.

One thing is for sure Bammy won't be the same before and after Jones. Oh well you can't fix stupid.

"We have a lot of people from California who have moved here over the last 3 years (because they can't afford to live in their home state) and everyone of them votes Democrat."

No you don't say. Did you hear that Al the assclown? Oh and btw your tidbit on Californiation listed at #5 in the urban dictionary not there, stupid idiot. No wonder why you lose.

Blogger Paradise Lost December 13, 2017 11:46 AM  

Random: Why are Muslim terrorists so shy about attacking America's ruling class? Aside from 9/11, it's like they're on the same side against regular folk. And given how easy it would be to target an exclusive private club instead of a public event, 9/11 has to be discarded as an aberrant statistical outlier.
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Those that really pull the strings are a cloudy, nebulous bunch that never show themselves. We may see an occasional billionaire weighing in but most are invisible.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2017 11:46 AM  

> The GOP is in serious trouble going into the 2018 mid-terms...

They don't care. They think they'll have jobs with crony businesses or regulatory agencies waiting for them, and they'll step back into power once the dust settles.

> Yep, Dems got 90% of their presidential vote out

Oh, I'm absolutely positive those numbers are legitimate, aren't you?

> Because the national media told them that the Republican was Very Bad.

Not just the national media. The leadership of their own party told them not to vote for him.

But this is but one battle in a long war, and it's a process we have to go through. In the meantime, the financial, demographic, and technological changes continue apace; all ensuring that the end of that process comes sooner rather than later.

Blogger YIH December 13, 2017 11:50 AM  

Rod Cuckher is so predictable, of course he's happy the Democrat won in Alabama.

Anonymous logic December 13, 2017 11:56 AM  

Is it too much to ask for a non-pedo nationalist to run? There are thousands of people just like Roy Moore who didn't date 14 year olds!

Blogger James December 13, 2017 11:56 AM  

gxg wrote:Since when has the truth really mattered in elections?

Since Trump.



Would that truth be that a large percentage of the White electorate despised Cankles more than they wanted Trump?

Paradise Lost wrote:
Those that really pull the strings are a cloudy, nebulous bunch that never show themselves. We may see an occasional billionaire weighing in but most are invisible.


I would submit that if they know how many billions you have, you are not one of those that pull the strings.

Anonymous BBGKB December 13, 2017 12:03 PM  

The hit job on Moore was organized out of the #Never Trump camp. This is why, with only 1 bullet left, always put it into the traitors among you

Breivik understood don't bother with the water coming in until you deal with those drilling holes in the boat."

Moore reminds me of that Senate candidate from Missouri who refused to see the writing on the wall.

Looks like the wall says JOO VOTER FRAUD

would be to target an exclusive private club instead of a public event, 9/11 has to be discarded as an aberrant statistical outlier.

Not a single Israeli dual citizen jew died on 911, but it was the best financial gain day they had seen.

Take this grape vine rumor with a grain of salt. Moore and Trump set up traps for voter fraud. It's gonna get VERY ugly.

It's already uglier than a dead nigtranny found at Marian Barry's place.

I know people who work as volunteers at the polls here. They are all old people who are retired.

And by golly they count the votes in neighborhoods that crack whores walk.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 12:04 PM  

@88 What will the consequences be for the queen Drudge? They must be severe.

Boomer cuck Drudge only cares about two things: tax cuts and having something shoved up his rear. His entire political drama is based on those two priorities.

I would laugh if the tax "cut" fails to go through because Jones won.

Anonymous gxg December 13, 2017 12:07 PM  

Would that truth be that a large percentage of the White electorate despised Cankles more than they wanted Trump?

No. Alabama is very pro Trump. They're also very anti-abortion, which is yet another reason this result stinks.

Blogger Danby December 13, 2017 12:11 PM  

This election is the equivalent of the Kansas-Nebraska Act.

Blogger Rashadjin December 13, 2017 12:12 PM  

The Dems have upped their game. Our side is wandering the hills.
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No. The GOPe is not on our side. Neither are the cucks or the Israel Firsters.


Quite so.

You wanted this election to cement your sense of momentum, but its become a badly needed scouting operation instead. The result was not as expected, and so now the job is to clearly see why. Which is to say, put mental 'enemy' flags over certain groups and people then shift operations according to the new lay of the land.

This is not a badly misnamed "strategy" game that's all about early and inevitable momentum we're playing. The job is to cut out the heart of a giant and, if fortune smiles, not be standing in the shadow of its debris.

You should be happy this opportunity to observe the various actors in play came at such high cost to the enemy and very little to you.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) December 13, 2017 12:14 PM  

No. Alabama is very pro Trump. They're also very anti-abortion, which is yet another reason this result stinks.

However, if lots of Alabama's republicans stayed home because they were fed the demonstrably false lies that Moore was a pedo by the Lying MSM, and if Moore failed to really get out and campaign during the last few weeks, it is possible.

I think Moore must follow through on his lawsuit against the lying women who brought those allegations forward!

Blogger Quilp December 13, 2017 12:17 PM  

The Dems went in for the kill on Moore with the sex allegations, it worked.
Hey, remember that time John McCain did the same against Barack Obama and rev Wright...yeah, neither does anyone else. The cucks say they don't care how the left behaves, they'd rather lose than become them. The problem with that is the rest of us are then subject to the left's ever more intrusive demands. But the cucks didnt become them, they just surrendered to them. They couldn't care less about the rest of us coming under the progressive's thumb.

Vox nailed it- Bannon hasn't even begun yet. Drudge has an article up about the Republicans being "furious" with him". But just yesterday the articles were all about how losing would actually be better for the GOP. It is my fervent hope the GOP's anger at Bannon and Trump's base hasn't really begun. Keep moving forward, and give them something to really be angry over.

Anonymous crushlimbraw December 13, 2017 12:17 PM  

Last night before the results rolled in, I told my dear wife that if Moore loses this, it is primarily because Churchians and Conservatives (Cucks) are not yet ready for prime time politics - and I'm sticking to it. They are the easiest bunch to discourage and have been played by DaSwamp again.
But as Yogi said - it ain't over 'til it's over - and it ain't!

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 12:23 PM  

How soon everyone seems to forget.
OK....I will mention names that no one else seems to want to mention.
There are not two factions in the Republican party, there are at least three factions....and the third faction is the RELIGIOUS RIGHT. Yes, the Ted Cruz supporters, who were Donald Trump's nastiest opponents during the primary campaign and the only serious threat to Trump's nomination. (Does no one remember the Ted Cruz supporters accusing Trump of being infected with "New York Values" and being a secret liberal, who was going to hand the election to Hillary?)

THAT was Roy Moore and THAT was who lost the election last night. No doubt Bannon was there (in part) because the Ted Cruz/Religious Right did not stay home from the polls a year ago. He owed them his support because they came together behind Trump, while the NeverTrump RINO liberals wrote checks to Democrats.

Roy Moore was not someone I would normally support, since I am not of the Religious Right wing of the party. The sleazy women aside, Roy was not a good campaigner. He bet it all on religious messages....especially opposing abortion....which did not sell very well, even in evangelical Alabama.

No boys and girls. Bannon was not defeated last night, neither was Donald Trump. What you saw go down in flames last night was the very last political campaign by the Religious Right wing of the Republican party. Alabama was their last rampart. This has been a huge faction in the past elections. They were the worst of the holdouts in the Goldwater campaign of 1964. (Remember....Goldwater was pretty progressive on social issues, such as gay marriage.) They backed Nixon, and they backed Reagan, and they backed Bush, but they never got anything in return except presidential lip-service. My prediction is....so many of the mainline churches have been converged and liberalized, that the evangelical Religious Right will in future elections be a major factor in Democrat politics and less a feature in Republican campaigns. Some of the churches have already made the shift. (Roman Catholic politics have been Democrat Liberal for decades.) Even the Southern Baptist Convention has completely caved recently, condemning the Alt-Right and White anything. So they are gone.

Anonymous Ages December 13, 2017 12:28 PM  

Alabama is very pro Trump. They're also very anti-abortion

Not enough to vote in their own interests, apparently.

Democrats committing fraud is baked into the cake. There still should have been enough opposition to easily put Moore in office. I could understand this result in PA, MI or even OH or IN. But Alabama? There is no excuse. 50% turnout from last year is unacceptable.

Blogger horsewithnonick December 13, 2017 12:31 PM  

I feel for you - my agnosticism on the topic has been taking a beating lately as well.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 12:31 PM  

@103 Some odd observations on the exit polling. Yep, Dems got 90% of their presidential vote out, GOP got 50%. That 50% isn't unusual for non-presidential elections, the Dem percentage is a stunner.

Those of us living in blue states and in constant communication with the blue types aren't completely stunned. I know some who live in other parts of the country don't believe it, but here it is: it's not just CNN and Hollywood and Soros that hate Trump.

The Left and Democrat voters are incredibly energized against him. They want him gone. I can't overemphasize the fact that they are just counting down the days until the next election.

If we don't respond with our own incredibly high turn-out, then we'll be defeated. And so will Trump.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 13, 2017 12:35 PM  

For those who have never bothered to look it up (perhaps someone could add an Infogalactic article on the subject later), the Republican Party has consented to vote-fraud since 1983 (because holy dindu). They are merely (((fake opposition))). It's fitting that there would be a fake-opposition party in the Fake Banana Empire. The Gay Old Pedos are beyond any hope of redemption. They should be burned to the ground, along with much else.

In other news, it would appear that someone lost 天命 Tian Ming (The Mandate of Heaven), Given where it is, he'll no doubt be replaced by someone twice as evil (they really do always double-down). The alleged commander in chief would be completely justified in cracking down city government, in light of the total lawlessness displayed in the Kate Steinle case, but the Steinle abomination was not the first of its kind that utterly evil city.

One must ask if we should even give as much as a shrug should Rocket Man land one of his toys there and transform the place into a radioactive ash heap. Do they not have it coming? Have they not earned it in full - many times over what Sodom and Gomorrah did? It's not as if there is any notion of something like 'repentance' to the found in that place.

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 12:36 PM  

What you saw go down in flames last night was the very last political campaign by the Religious Right wing of the Republican party.

This. The moral majority is dead.

Blogger James December 13, 2017 12:38 PM  

gxg wrote:Would that truth be that a large percentage of the White electorate despised Cankles more than they wanted Trump?

No. Alabama is very pro Trump. They're also very anti-abortion, which is yet another reason this result stinks.


I was referring to the 2016 Presidential election, which is "since Trump". But, let's say that there was election tampering, which I have no problem believing. What "truth" will come out about that? That the Democratic process is utterly corrupted, something most of us have know for a long time? Like I said, Al Franken won by election fraud. He was still seated. As long as "Alabama" certifies the vote, it is already a done deal. Now, does Trump have anything up his sleeve? Did his 4D chess acumen see this in advance? If so, what's the next move? And speaking of der Gropenfuhrer, do you think he will still resign? I do, since a Democrat will replace him, but.....

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 12:40 PM  

Democrats committing fraud is baked into the cake. There still should have been enough opposition to easily put Moore in office. I could understand this result in PA, MI or even OH or IN. But Alabama? There is no excuse. 50% turnout from last year is unacceptable.

None dare call it infidelity.

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 12:42 PM  

Aeoli wrote:What you saw go down in flames last night was the very last political campaign by the Religious Right wing of the Republican party.

This. The moral majority is dead.


Agreed. The Moral Majority was never the majority and was only selectively moral, but yes.....the Jerry Falwell, Liberty University, Bob Jones, Oliver North, Chuck Colson, Family Research Center, Pro-Life movement, took more than a black eye last night. They lost their teeth and those are not going to grow back.

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 12:46 PM  

The only good news is, the Alt-West may finally wake from its slumber. The 10-year-olds who watched their parents submit peacefully to hostile foreign rulers today will be 25 in 2032.

A new religious right will rise. What its religion will be is the only question, because the churches have failed them.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 13, 2017 12:58 PM  

BBGKB:
Not a single Israeli dual citizen jew died on 911, but it was the best financial gain day they had seen.

That's an interesting point. I do remember the surprising lack of Jewish surnames in the list of those who died in the fall of WTC 1 and 2 - the most heavily Jewish city of the Fake Banana Empire. I wondered at the time if it was a Jewish holiday of some kind but apparent not back then. Then there was the report of the Dancing Israelis whooping it up as the buildings went down. The typical response encountered from members of the (((tribe))) was: a) deny it happened - and claim it was a fabrication of "anti-semites"; or b) try to claim it was a special type of Talmudic mourning that the sheep and cows couldn't comprehend. At any rate, the whole 9/11 affair is yet another of the many closed historical containers from which putrid smells and slimy black ooze now and again emanate to create bizarre penumbras.

Anonymous observation December 13, 2017 1:06 PM  

not sure if it was always like this, but the Gop --offcials, strategists, talkng heads, the whole culture---... its like they are a high school clique where everyone has to dress the same, say the same things, all be accepted by each other and the slightest bucking of the group trend and they all back away from the person and ostracize him, its insane, now in their defense maybe the 30 + years of the liberal media pressure has them all paranoid bc they still constantly get jumped on by the media. its like they are a cult of abused children....hopefully the media backs off them so they become human again...... although you know it really is a bi-factional ruling party as Vox has been saying, that is the best description of things in Washington D.C.

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 1:16 PM  

now in their defense maybe the 30 + years of the liberal media pressure has them all paranoid bc they still constantly get jumped on by the media. its like they are a cult of abused children.

Makes sense, see here:
https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2017/10/12/herding-behavior-as-the-avoidance-of-schelling-points/

Blogger RobertT December 13, 2017 1:34 PM  

You're right. I hope. But still a problem. I don't want to go back to politics as usual.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 13, 2017 1:36 PM  

logic wrote:Is it too much to ask for a non-pedo nationalist to run? There are thousands of people just like Roy Moore who didn't date 14 year olds!

What a crock. I dated a 14-year old when I was 23. It's "pedo" if you SLEEP with them. There was a time when dating didn't automatically mean the relationship was sexual. And where Moore was concerned, absolutely none of that was proven.

Blogger tuberman December 13, 2017 1:39 PM  

This Alabama election went far beyond tampering, as the DNC, and really George Soros, pulled out all the stops, and cheated to the next level of cheating. This will unravel.

Ever hear of Kenneth Sharpton Glasgow, who is actually a Sharpton, or Al's brother. He had a high profile during this election doing something. What he was doing was having people in prisons and jails vote. He was very successful, and many thousands voted, and close to enough to turn the election around right there. That was only the smallest part of thee fraud.

People know, and will examine this election with the cliche, "fine toothed comb." TRAP FOR SOROS? Perhaps?
Intense further red-pilling for many normies, almost certain.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2017 1:39 PM  

@20 Johnny

There would seem to be a generational thing to this identity politics business. A lot of older people formed their political opinions back when stuff like integration was less extreme and more justified, and thus more easily supported.
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Only the Silents and Boomers. I well remember the many times my GG grandfathers would warn me of exactly what we have now in this country. It was considered common sense back then. At least in Alabama.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2017 1:45 PM  

@31 SciVo
Tangent: I wonder how many Democrat operatives with bylines have been forgetting to say "alleged" while in the thrall of their Social Justice Cult fervor
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There are dozens of NY Jew journalists proclaiming him a pedofile on twitter at any given moment.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2017 1:47 PM  

@33 Undocumented Civilizationalist

Dems are fired up. GOP voters aren't.
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OH RLY? I suppose I just imagined all of that primary business where Moore won against Strange.

Anonymous Charlie Baud December 13, 2017 1:53 PM  

@67
@83

Fuck off, you posturing faggot. If it were up to you, the GOP would run nothing but aging gen-x cocksuckers who show up to debates in the Gracie Bara gi just so they can show off how they learned some bastardized martial art from a bunch of Brazilian mongoloids.

Moore was an outspoken conservative through and through, and has thrown into more fights than any of the neutered gex xers like Ryan.

Moore was a popular candidate, and would have won had he not been betrayed by the party.

Anonymous Charlie Baud December 13, 2017 1:58 PM  

@138

A true Conservative movement without Christianity is impossible. So-called "secular conservatives" almost always cower in the face of the mainstream narrative (See: those cowardly beltway faggots at reason magazine who would gladly elect a socialist so long as he doesn't say anything mean about the gays), and pagan revivalists like Greg Johnson and Jack Donavan would just as soon sodomize each other in the forest while the world burns than support any populist resistance movement.

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 2:03 PM  

A true Conservative movement without Christianity is impossible.

Conservatism is dead.

Anonymous krymneth December 13, 2017 2:05 PM  

Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) wrote:I think Moore must follow through on his lawsuit against the lying women who brought those allegations forward!

Yes, and this where it would be nice if there was an organized right or alt-right that would do this sort of thing for Moore even if he lacks the funds, or the will. It needs to stop being free to just sling any ol' slander at a candidate and get it amplified by the media. Make it clear that being the conduit for the slander runs a real risk.

Anonymous Charlie Baud December 13, 2017 2:11 PM  

"No boys and girls. Bannon was not defeated last night, neither was Donald Trump. What you saw go down in flames last night was the very last political campaign by the Religious Right wing of the Republican party."

Defeatist cocksuckers like you are always ready to pronounce the Religious Right dead, as you have since Bush 1 lost in '92. The fact is Trump only won because he engaged the Evangelical Right in a way that Moderate fags like Romney have refused to. Moore's problem was not his message, that was the reason the Evangelical turnout was so high and the margin was so narrow, his problem was a party that refused to engage the base the way the Democrats pandered to inner city blacks.

Anonymous Charlie Baud December 13, 2017 2:13 PM  

"Conservatism is dead."

Conservatism/Traditionalism/Whatever you want to call it is alive and well in Poland, Russia, and Hungary, the only Western nations which still have a Christian identity.

Blogger Demonic Professor El December 13, 2017 2:16 PM  

Moral Majority GOP =/= Christian necessarily.

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 2:19 PM  

Charlie Baud...Your own "Christian identity" is not well served by calling me a "defeatist cocksucker" in a public forum...but do keep it up. You are a good example of why you will continue to lose.

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist December 13, 2017 2:33 PM  

"OH RLY? I suppose I just imagined all of that primary business where Moore won against Strange."

@147:

The primary turnout was 17.62% for the race between Strange and Moore. Not even 1 in every 5 GOP voters bothered to vote.

So yea, I would say turnout is a HUGE problem for the GOP right now.

VA showed this and the special elections in GA and PA showed this. Even Utah turnout was down for their special election.

www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/how_low_was_alabamas_voter_tur.html

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2017 2:37 PM  

What special election are you talking about when you say GA?

We sent Ossoff packing.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 2:39 PM  

@147 OH RLY? I suppose I just imagined all of that primary business where Moore won against Strange.

His main point is correct though. Half of the people who voted for Trump didn't vote yesterday and 93% of the people who voted for Hillary went out and voted for Jones.

You can't win an election with that kind of turnout, no matter how red the state is. Especially a state that is almost 30% black. And, from what I understand, 30% of the total voters yesterday were black. So they did their part to get their representation.

Now we have to figure out why turnout is the way it is to prevent a wider disaster in 2018.

Anonymous Charlie Baud December 13, 2017 2:42 PM  

@154

Do you honestly think the Jews can be trusted on abortion? Or that the third world Muslim hordes will suddenly turn against their group interest and vote republican en masse? Or that that we can have any hope that the secularist politicians who so ready sell out any moral or economic principle for a Pyrrhic victory can be trusted?

@155

So you say you admire Bannon and Trump, but don't like it when somebody acts confrontational or uses mean no-no words? What kind of faggot are you?

Anonymous Anonymous December 13, 2017 2:55 PM  

I think you're being far too optimistic here, VD

What we are seeing in AL is the result of 18 months of concerted effort by the tech-left in censoring social media.

The propaganda outlets are once again the only game in town, now with the help of companies like facebook and twitter, who have successfully quashed the political dissidents who used their platform in 2016 to elect Trump.

Welcome to the next stage of our rapidly-oncoming dark age.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2017 2:58 PM  

@158 johnc
@147 OH RLY? I suppose I just imagined all of that primary business where Moore won against Strange.

His main point is correct though. Half of the people who voted for Trump didn't vote yesterday and 93% of the people who voted for Hillary went out and voted for Jones.
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This is the real question. We would expect lower turnout during a special election. How is it the Dims get a presidential election turnout number for this?

There is some masterful rigging here. Beyond the old tried and true give ya a malt liquor and pack of kool 100s to vote for the Dim.

I'm suspecting number magic or some other more serious type of rigging.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2017 3:01 PM  

Meant *fraction magic* Bev Harris

Anonymous Anonymous December 13, 2017 3:07 PM  

This was nothing but a defeat. It can be learned from, but it is a defeat.

What I think we are seeing in Alabama is an effort to overcome the byzantine general problem using social media. The truth of any claim is no longer relevant, whichever side is able to bring all of the parties for/against the candidate together at the most effective time to get their claim in front of the most eyes is the one that wins

That is from the day before the election. It's hard to prove that I was right but it appears that every group opposed to Moore successfully came together at just the right moment.

https://www.libertynation.com/dirty-doxing-threat-alabama/

Multiple groups like highway31now spontaneously appeared and began using voter intimidation and other tactics to humiliate and demoralize voters into staying home. How can I blame them? Coming out in support of Trump or Moore can end your career in your 20's even in Alabama.

Even if there was nothing revolutionary about the way the effort was coordinated, the composition of the groups opposed to Moore is telling. Churchianity has taken hold of the entire state. Baptist and non-denominational mega churches came out at the last minute and openly endorsed Jones to their congregations of thousands.

There was a group "GOP for Jones" which seemed to be organized and led entirely by UA alumni of all ages. It wouldn't surprise me if E.O. Wilson has laid the groundwork to turn his alma mater into a factory for churning out "unfundamentalized" Republican christians.

It's hard to wrap my head around all of this, but one thing is increasingly clear. Silicon Valley is by far the biggest internal threat this country faces. Social media has found it's way into the hands of even the poorest rural people in the deep south.

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 3:12 PM  

Conservatism/Traditionalism/Whatever you want to call it is alive and well in Poland, Russia, and Hungary, the only Western nations which still have a Christian identity.

I note America is not in your list.

America can't conserve what it no longer has. Conservatives failed to conserve anything, so now we have nothing, therefore conservatism is dead.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 3:16 PM  

@161 How is it the Dims get a presidential election turnout number for this?


One of the things I'm trying to get across is that the Democrats are HIGHLY energized and motivated to vote.

When's the last time you saw a half-million people demonstrate against a president's inauguration in the freezing cold? Do you think they were all paid to do that?

Trump has these people spun up like a hornet's nest and they WILL be out to vote in large numbers in 2018.

Blogger Aeoli December 13, 2017 3:18 PM  

Perhaps you mean "revivalism" or something like that. I'd be happy to see evidence of such a thing, but all I see is Boomers draining and NEETs complaining. Vampires, all. Faith without works is dead, as is heartland America.

The first step to repentance is to admit the problem, and I don't see remorse in this generation.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 13, 2017 3:55 PM  

Charlie Baud wrote:@138

A true Conservative movement without Christianity is impossible. So-called "secular conservatives" almost always cower in the face of the mainstream narrative (See: those cowardly beltway faggots at reason magazine who would gladly elect a socialist so long as he doesn't say anything mean about the gays), and pagan revivalists like Greg Johnson and Jack Donavan would just as soon sodomize each other in the forest while the world burns than support any populist resistance movement.


Why would anyone team up with someone who thinks their private sexual conduct is an abomination unto the lord or in the case of the libertarians , wants the government in people's bedrooms .

johnc wrote:Now we have to figure out why turnout is the way it is to prevent a wider disaster in 2018.

I'm not in Alabama and don't vote Democrat I might not bother to vote for Moore with such small stakes and I suspect a lot of people felt the same way.

As for turnout, being low, well yeah. You do realize that the Christian Right is only modest portion of the Conservative total. Most Republicans (by a small percentage) are pro abortion and shockingly few are Church going hard right Christians , many don't care about "gays" issues or basically anything in the culture war

The Christian Right is a necessary part of the Republican coalition but its far from the majority, between the .Alt Right and the actual Religious Right and Paleocons , its maybe 1/3 of the lot

Also a lot of your guys and I'll lump Rob Dreyer among them are lazy and not interested in fighting anyway, the "leave me alone" aspect is strong in nearly all Conservatives and its enormous among Trad Cons

Its hard to motivate those guys especially when they have moral qualms about a short term replacement candidate

The only issue that is an exceptions as I've noted seems to be abortion and guns but those issues aren't enough to run a whole party

If you want to win, run more moderate candidates , pro gun , anti immigration, populist you can sell. You can run on attitude but you can't sell the rest or run what many would consider Christian Taliban like Moore and expect high turnout

The only way you are going to get general power is either a Gramsci style long march or pull an Iran or maybe after a collapse or religious revival . Otherwise many of the views the religious right holds are pretty unpopular even if they are correct

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 13, 2017 4:03 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Your own "Christian identity" is not well served by calling me a "defeatist cocksucker" in a public forum...but do keep it up. You are a good example of why you will continue to lose.
Whereas you will continue to lose because you are a defeatist cocksucker. At least Charlie doesn't have to try to bleach the memories out of his brain and the taste out of his mouth.

Anonymous Charlie Baud December 13, 2017 4:20 PM  

@167

Yeah, because moderates like Romney and McCain have totally revitalized the party.

You dense faggot.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2017 4:39 PM  

@165 johnc
@161 How is it the Dims get a presidential election turnout number for this?


One of the things I'm trying to get across is that the Democrats are HIGHLY energized and motivated to vote.
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If what you are saying is true, then we need to deport faster.

Blogger Rashadjin December 13, 2017 4:53 PM  

Sigh.

Let me mention some of the statistical tricks being played here (probably) for you people throwing around numbers and screeching like monkeys at what it all means.

Jones getting 97% of the vote Clinton got? Some of the Rebulicans who voted for Trump voted for Jones in this election. And voter fraud with urban counties waiting to see how much magic needs to happen. That 97% figure can be twisted a lot of ways, and only begins to be useful once you manage to split out the GOPe traitors hiding within.

Likewise, some counties went to Brooks and Strange. The R-vote was split over three ways, so Moore getting much less than Trump is a pretty garbage statistic on its own too.

These numbers do not mean what you think they mean. Try to keep up.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 4:58 PM  

@167 If you want to win, run more moderate candidates , pro gun , anti immigration, populist you can sell. You can run on attitude but you can't sell the rest or run what many would consider Christian Taliban like Moore and expect high turnout

In the primary, Luther Strange (or whatever his name was) got less of a turnout than Roy Moore.

Ed Gillespie was a pile of worthlessness in VA.

There are bigger issues at play. The biggest being that Democrats are getting unbelievable turnout. We can only stick our heads in the sand for so long on this point.

Trump is hugely unpopular in the country. And him getting weak-kneed on immigration and other issues probably hasn't exactly roused his base off the sofa.

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 5:14 PM  

@171 Jones getting 97% of the vote Clinton got? Some of the Rebulicans who voted for Trump voted for Jones in this election.

But not much. Moore got 91% of Republican voters. That's probably somewhat similar to Trump's numbers (there were no exit polls in AL for 2016, so we have no data to compare).

So the problem isn't that Republicans voted for Jones. The problem is that NOT ENOUGH of them voted at all, period. That is the key point of the statistic "50% of those who voted for Trump didn't vote for Moore". The turnout wasn't there.

BTW for the people who love generation warfare: Jones had a blowout with Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z. Moore only won with Boomers and Silents. If you think the future is on your side, think again.

Blogger Bucephalus December 13, 2017 5:40 PM  

@133------Gen. Kong-----

The link on Why the GOP won’t challenge vote fraud was eye opening, sobering, and a real kick in the nuts. Thanks for the information! You are my favorite contributor without a doubt.

Anonymous Anon Disclaimer December 13, 2017 6:18 PM  

Stinging rebuke of the Republican Party. White turnout was way down and a majority of voters said the Moore allegations had no impact on their vote. So, what gives?

We elected Trump but got Bush II: tax cuts for the rich, wars and near constant threats of wars, interfering in Syria, secret troop increases in Iraq and Afghanistan, no economic populism, no renegotiation of NAFTA, cronyism (Kushner), etc.

It’s not hard to see how Jones won: universal healthcare, raise minimum wage, moderate on abortion, for middle class tax cuts not cutting taxes on rich donors, etc.

The GOP donor class helped this along. Trump should have vanquished them, but instead he got into bed with them and, together, they handed themselves a shocking defeat.

Trump’s ego contributed. He let the Goldman Sachs fox in the hen house early on because he liked the idea of people who once rejected him working for him and they gave him an unpopular tax cut for their friends in return.

Breitbart is freaking out calling the guy ultraliberal because he supports raising the minimum wage and possibly a universal minimum income. These people are way out of touch.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 13, 2017 6:46 PM  

johnc wrote:BTW for the people who love generation warfare: Jones had a blowout with Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z. Moore only won with Boomers and Silents. If you think the future is on your side, think again.

Well yeah. A lot of people who favor Trump don't understand his coalition very well. Younger voters like him because he's populist and a leader not because he's conservative Christian . Evangelicals are only part of the vote and not even a huge part

Conservative elements of Gen X , Y and especially Gen Z is more race aware for sure, economically populist but they aren't as religious as you think and are growing increasingly less so even with higher fertility rates

They don't want a staple of the 10 commandments to the collective forehead guy like Moore around . They want a better economy and less immigration, cultural Marxism and gun control

Beyond that they don't want much of the Christian agenda and though it might shock you to know, are OK with homosexuality , any kind of sex with adults and many with abortion though Gen Y is kind of prudish

You could push divorce reform but they don't share your cultural war interests sorry to say, This may change as Zyklon gets older but don't count on it

And while I don't recognize the Anon at 175 I think he (or she) has a rather good points though Jones if Moore doesn't win on recount will probably be gone in a couple of years especially if the Republicans run a different candidate

There are a lot of Trump voters who are just as he says, pretty liberal

Mainly I want a permanently Whiter America, a better economy, less of a corporate state , less intervention overseas and the .gov off peoples back in some personal matters along with a shade more deference to Christianity

The rest is optional and honestly I don't care about abortion, "moral" laws , if we tax the crap out of the rich and if the US is White if the Government wants to redistribute wealth to people, have national health care or anything else as long as its effective

This is a pretty big measure of Trump voters BTW and the Religious Right while better than the far Left isn't desirable

I'd have voted for Moore were I in Alabama and I think the allegations are bull but its still a hold your nose vote . Give me someone better please, thanks

Blogger Rashadjin December 13, 2017 7:03 PM  

@171

Whoops, I was looking at the numbers someone linked from the primary rather than the general. Tired and missed the date. Nix the bit about precincts going to Brooks/Strange. Anywho...

Ignoring that exit poles aren't exactly accurate, here's the thing. 8% of those who self-identified registered/affiliated as Republican voted for the Democrat and were willing to admit it in an exit pole. +1% Write-in. 15% of those who self-identified as conservative voted for Jones. +2% Write-in.

That's not the moderates. That's the people who don't like Democrats as a political/ideological stance. So, given the vague and flawed data, at least 8-15% traitors among the ranks a Republican candidate should be able to count on.

I'd love to see the raw numbers that 8+1% of Republicans and 15+2% of conservatives translates to in reality, but the internet isn't spitting up any real references I can use for it. But if the write-ins are ~22K overall while being 6% of the vote by party affiliation (1% of Republicans + 5% of Independents/Misc which aren't the same sized groups even), we're not talking chump change here.

So even with my silly reference mistake and the small percents we're looking at, @173 johnc

The numbers do not mean what you think they mean.

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 7:04 PM  

@176 AB.Prosper
Very good summary.
I too, would have voted for Roy Moore, but not because of his message, but in spite of it.
These same lonely-women accusations pop up at every election (including repressed memory, alien abductions, and crimes committed in their past life), but they seldom get any traction in the media.

Blogger Rashadjin December 13, 2017 7:32 PM  

Scratch that, stared at the internet a minute more and saw the numbers. Roughly, 9% of Republicans was ~52K votes for this election.

If the exit polls are close.

Blogger Rashadjin December 13, 2017 7:54 PM  

So if those 8% of Republicans had simply stayed home instead of voting for Jones, Moore would have had an easy 20K+ win.

Republican traitors cost Alabama a senate seat. Not the blacks, independents or Democrats. The Republicans. From start to finish.

(I need to stop tired spam posting)

Blogger WynnLloyd December 13, 2017 7:54 PM  

That last turn of phrase is a treasure.

Anonymous Muh Gay Son December 13, 2017 7:58 PM  

I'm surprised no one mentioned the constant "moore isn't a christian" blogging from The Gospel Coalition, Mere Orthodoxy, Christianity today, Etc. Moore is seen more as a westboro psuedo Christian among the southern baptist, calvinist brigade and the constant opinion piece about how Moore represents a fake Christianity probably got a few fence sitters to stay home. Harping on the 10 commandments didn't help. My own circle is split between "we shouldn't vote for moore incase the allegations are true" and "He's a kooky dispensationalist, it'll be the death of the church in America."

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2017 8:53 PM  

@176 Conservative elements of Gen X , Y and especially Gen Z is more race aware for sure, economically populist but they aren't as religious as you think and are growing increasingly less so even with higher fertility rates

They don't want a staple of the 10 commandments to the collective forehead guy like Moore around . They want a better economy and less immigration, cultural Marxism and gun control


Yeah that's fine and all but you're saying that they preferred to vote for a no-borders, amnesty-loving, horde-inviting, anti-gun, left-wing crazy commie kook -- supposedly against all of what they want in a candidate -- simply because his opponent believes in God?

If so, 1) They deserve what they get (because they freely chose it), and 2) These are not the generations that are going to save America.

If they can't figure out the right guy to pick in Moore vs. Jones then forget it.

Blogger Unknown December 13, 2017 9:20 PM  

One take away from this is it proves Republican voters are lazy and weak. It shows Republican leaders are even worse. They are NOT fighters. They will be perpetual losers (Trump was an anomaly). Eventually, after all that losing, they will fully lose the population to immigrants. It also shows that the Democrat's way of politicking works. They will continue to do this to EVERY opponent from here on out.

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 9:42 PM  

johnc
Roy Moore got 650,000 votes and
Jones got 671,000.
I would still call that pretty close, especially since only half the Red team showed up to vote.

Blogger DonReynolds December 13, 2017 9:43 PM  

shift 11,000 votes and the election would have been reversed.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 13, 2017 9:48 PM  

johnc wrote:Yeah that's fine and all but you're saying that they preferred to vote for a no-borders, amnesty-loving, horde-inviting, anti-gun, left-wing crazy commie kook -- supposedly against all of what they want in a candidate -- simply because his opponent believes in God?

That isn't what I'm saying

There is a difference between believef in God and wants to force Christian ideas on people at least in their perception. I'd tolerate an actual theocracy instead of what we have but that is a fringe view .

if you want to find out why Moore couldn't win past margin of fraud, come over the r/The_Donald and read up a bit. many there simply loathe Moore and while the Donald isn't .Alt Right they are entirely cucky either

Also younger people under maybe 40 sometimes older quite often hate the culture war and don't care about the ten commandments, abortion, gay marriage or any of that stuff. They aren't going to support a candidate whose into it. Anyone under I don't know 30 maybe older has always lived in a world with unlimited on demand porn , legal abortion , tolerated homosexuality for nearly two decades and most are quite secular regardless of race even in Alabama

Long and short, even in Alabama they couldn't be bothered to vote for Moore and given the calculus says the risks are low enough, they stayed home

Last Gen Y wants wealth redistribution and social democracy and not more bootstraps bullshit, feeling rightly or wrongly that they were screwed by the current system. Do you think they'd vote for a Right Wing culture warrior ?

They can be persuaded on some issues but Gen Y isn't .Alt Right that group is civic nationalist or Leftist mostly with Gen's X and Z being farther Right

Also I'll make this prediction., if he loses the man who will cost Trump the election in 2020 if loses will be Ajit Pai . The Millennials are FURIOUS over net neutrality If we get a lot of traffic shaping, speed cutbacks, throttle and data caps or cost increases the backlash will be enormous

The energy level will be high enough to put in a Democratic House, possibly a Senate and guarantee a lame duck single term Trump and maybe an impeachment

Putting in crony was fucking stupid , not 4d chess but walking into a minefield level dumb .



Blogger Rashadjin December 13, 2017 10:29 PM  

@186 AB.Prosper

Also I'll make this prediction., if he loses the man who will cost Trump the election in 2020 if loses will be Ajit Pai . The Millennials are FURIOUS over net neutrality If we get a lot of traffic shaping, speed cutbacks, throttle and data caps or cost increases the backlash will be enormous

The Millennials are useful idiots for being FURIOUS over net neutrality. The Obama team doing title 2 comm something something regulation of the internet as a phone type utility was a statist power grab to fix a problem that didn't exist. Silicon Valley wanted it to cement corporate interests from competition. The internet utilities were suffering from lack of competition and whining about lack of funding sources for infrastructure upgrades. Adding in government oversight and regulation was going to fix neither and sludge up the works going forward, not prevent a silly doomsday scenario where Comcast took over the East Coast internet providing by charging an extra $20 for Youtube.

The worst that would happen is internet providers figuring out a way to siphon some more funds away from Youtube and Netflix under bandwidth costs (appropriately transferred to users of such) while adding unlimited streaming for such video sites to their limited cell rate plans because that's what was already happening. Google/Alphabet/Netflix/etc just didn't want to pony up for the traffic they're generating and got the badly maleducated youth to turn their cultivated outrage in the direction that benefited SV interests and no one else. As usual.

Anonymous Jean Montlepuy December 13, 2017 10:36 PM  

@176
@178
@186

You fags sound like libertarians in the 80's and 90's and "South Park Republicans" in the 2000's. You hate the left, but you've absorbed too much of their propaganda and accept them as the makers and masters of the zeitgeist so you don't have the conviction to understand what a true cultural revival would take. You think that somehow a new conservative juggernaut made up of all the parts you like and none of the parts you don't will just rise from the ashes of the Religious Right. The fact that you unironically use the term "Christian Taliban" shows what a stooge you are. Like the libertarians and the South Park types, you're going to end up caving in on every cultural and economic issue just so you can claim to be relevant, all the while insisting that the only way for the Republican party to survive it must abandon it's most strident supporters, the Evangelical block.

What you don't see in your pitiful myopia is that the most frequent conservative voters, even among the young, are religious.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly December 13, 2017 11:03 PM  

Dang. I check in from a week of deer hunting in the beautiful hills of Birdseye, IN and the dang place is swarmed by pants-wetting losers. First sign of a hard fought battle, and half the folks just cry in despair? Gear up kiddies, this is just the opening act. Actually...get out of the way is better.

Blogger Rashadjin December 13, 2017 11:16 PM  

@187 Continued...

Let me tell you how backwards the Net Neutrality propaganda is.

Corporations will do anything and everything to hide costs from their direct users. This is why banks charge Walmart when some poor sod makes a debit purchase at Walmart, not the poor sod. The moment some shill is telling you that a corporation is going to hike costs on their direct users is the moment you should realize you're being played for a fool.

The reality is that this is a game between Google et al and the ISPs to shift costs on each other. ISPs want Netflix to charge you for their bandwidth and infrastructure loads while Netlfix wants the ISPs to charge you for the same so as to reduce the bill that Netflix sends its direct users. Google et al are not the good guys here. Not even a little bit.

The only exception is when a broadband ISP has no competition in some interwebs backwaters, which government regulation would only cement since government regulation almost always makes it harder for startups and smaller companies to get a toehold and drive costs down.

Also, I do not want to hear anything about ISPs having the power to censor until it's illegal for Google, Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook to censor as they are already doing. Pretending that the ISPs are going to usher in 1984 unless something is done when social media already has just tells me that you have no idea what dystopia we're actually in.

Anonymous johnc December 14, 2017 12:26 AM  

@186 if you want to find out why Moore couldn't win past margin of fraud, come over the r/The_Donald and read up a bit. many there simply loathe Moore and while the Donald isn't .Alt Right they are entirely cucky either

I'm there much of the day and they were pushing Moore hard. Then once he lost they pretended that they didn't like the guy. Same thing with Sean Spicer. He was the best ever... until he resigned. Then they thought he was the worst. Repeat the same with Scaramucci.

It's sort of a hive mind over there.

But if we keep supporting nothing but GOPe candidates, we're going to end up with the same do-nothing Congress we have now. Maybe Luther Strange isn't as bad as Mitch McConnell, but it's hard to say since he was going along with Trump to get his endorsement.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 14, 2017 1:09 AM  

@191 johnc

With Moore, a lot of it is going to be hindsight-bias. Moore had to contend with the GOPe, Dems, the Media and the Left-Alliance voter fraud. Once they sprung the trap and Moore was caught flat footed, they poured money into the situation. It looked like Moore would pull it out, but it also now looks a lot like he was abandoned by the State Party's GOTV machine.

But one needs to look further beyond this situation. The Swamp is going to make sure no one that doesn't play along is going to get to high office, unless you are as controlled as Trump and well-prepared. Considering more money was probably spent by the Dems on GOTV activities than PA during the General, it's unlikely this approach can be done again in most situations, however the message has clearly been sent.

The Swamp really wants to throw the Senate to the Dems and/or get the House there as well. That way practically nothing happens, ignoring the fact that the Presidency now does pretty much nothing. With Kennedy expected to retire here soon, they two two stolen Senate seats will matter.

A bit of a throw back, but anyone remember Romney's Project Orca? Their GOTV system that failed miserably? Get the feeling the same type of sabotage was afoot in AL.

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 14, 2017 1:56 AM  

Rashadjin wrote:The Millennials are useful idiots for being FURIOUS over net neutrality.

That may be perfectly true but these people vote what they think and feel and they are furious.

Jean Montlepuy wrote:You fags sound like libertarians in the 80's and 90's and "South Park Republicans" in the 2000's. You hate the left, but you've absorbed too much of their propaganda and accept them as the makers and masters of the zeitgeist so you don't have the conviction to understand what a true cultural revival would take. You think that somehow a new conservative juggernaut made up of all the parts you like and none of the parts you don't will just rise from the ashes of the Religious Right. The fact that you unironically use the term "Christian Taliban" shows what a stooge you are. Like the libertarians and the South Park types, you're going to end up caving in on every cultural and economic issue just so you can claim to be relevant, all the while insisting that the only way for the Republican party to survive it must abandon it's most strident supporters, the Evangelical block.

What you don't see in your pitiful myopia is that the most frequent conservative voters, even among the young, are religious.


True but the numbers aren't there if the Evangelicals and Religious Right were we'd have had a President Buchanan and Roe Vs Wade would have been gone decades ago. You are part of the coalition but a good chunk of the Right doesn't care about what you want and thinks you are a pain in the rear

Now I'm opposed to dropping the evangelical block myself. Was talking about the folly of doing that on the Donald today (I post under the same name)

Point is just as you said a lot of people are culturally Libertarian or Left Wing but Republican and don't want what you want or care about what you care about, They need you but you are given what you get from necessary compromise

You aren't strong enough to get a lot but the other side can't live without you.

Its not that different than any other system where groups do not belong together. Maybe if it collapses you can get your own state, who knows

Maybe you can get more if you can un-cuck the Churchians who knows but you get what you can same as everyone

As far as caving, I've never been a social con , don't care about any of that.Not churched, don't follow any formal religion and don't think the Bible was inspired by the creator of the universe

Things that flow from that mean little to m and many others

In my mind rich societies tend liberal in any times so a working society either be liberal but in check or if won by force a conservative state

I want some reforms but as I'm center left populist on economics, an immigration restrictions and a realist in terms of human behavior (or well try to be) the Christendom agenda makes little sense to me

There are elements of the Social Conservative agenda I'd like, an end to gay marriage and divorce and marriage reform especially for kids along with a bit more deference to faith but I mainly here for the immigration restriction and repatriation

Unless most people are churched or faithful they don't want it It less than twenty percent that go now and maybe half those are cucked so that's your numbers

Fix that and you can have more.

Blogger Akulkis December 14, 2017 2:22 AM  

@Freakshow

You seem to have missed the story a few weeks ago about the Maryland prison guard who was arrested after posting on Craigslist, looking for "Mom's who like cheese pizza."

He admitted to police that "cheese pizza"is pedophile code for Child Porn.

Now, what were you babbling about McConnell obstictong all of Trump's policy initiatives which require legislation? Oh, yeah, you seem to have completely left out any reference to that turtle-faced pedo.

Blogger Akulkis December 14, 2017 2:28 AM  

@Ages, do not be disheartened that on this prelude to Civil War, only half of the conservatives voted... The American War for Independence was won with a participation rate below 5% of adult males.

Blogger Akulkis December 14, 2017 2:36 AM  

Indeed, Gen. Zhukov... If it comes to Civil War, then the northern libs will lose their "revolutionary vanguard" of urbanites within weeks of the arrival of General January and his comrade General February.

Blogger Akulkis December 14, 2017 3:26 AM  

@Ron Winkleheimer

Most vote fraud techniques are accomplished without the assistance nor even knowledge of the precinct workers.

Read the book Votescam! By the Collier brothers. Apparently, the book was accurate enough that both of them were dead within a couple years after it was published in 1993. And the brothers were only in their early 50's

The daughter of one of them runs the Votescam website for those who want to continue the pursuit of honest elections.

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