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Wednesday, December 13, 2017

THE LAST CLOSET

Marion Zimmer Bradley was a bestselling science fiction author, a feminist icon, and was awarded the World Fantasy Award for lifetime achievement. She was best known for the Arthurian fiction novel THE MISTS OF AVALON and for her very popular Darkover series.

She was also a monster.


THE LAST CLOSET: The Dark Side of Avalon is a brutal tale of a harrowing childhood. It is the true story of predatory adults preying on the innocence of children without shame, guilt, or remorse. It is an eyewitness account of how high-minded utopian intellectuals, unchecked by law, tradition, religion, or morality, can create a literal Hell on Earth.


THE LAST CLOSET is also an inspiring story of survival. It is a powerful testimony to courage, to hope, and to faith. It is the story of Moira Greyland, the only daughter of Marion Zimmer Bradley and convicted child molester Walter Breen, told in her own words.


In case you've been wondering why I haven't been doing Darkstreams, finishing the extended edition of A Sea of Skulls, or wrapping up the first Voxiversity, well, this is why. To paraphrase the author, this is a difficult book to read, it was almost impossible to write, and it wasn't exactly easy to edit or proofread either, which is why I am very grateful to the assistant editor and the two proofreaders for their invaluable assistance in this regard.

Moira asked me to write the foreword to The Last Closet. I will have more to add later, but for now, it will suffice as my public comment on the subject.


FOREWORD

I read four or five of Marion Zimmer Bradley’s books in high school. I started with The Heritage of Hastur, then read two or three more Darkover novels that caught my eye in the Arden Hills library. While I didn’t find them sufficiently entertaining to continue with the series, they were just interesting enough to inspire me to pick up a trade paperback of The Mists of Avalon not long after it was published by Del Rey in 1984. As it happens, I still have that much-ballyhooed monstrosity, its long-untouched pages now yellowing on a dusty bookshelf in the attic.

The Mists of Avalon was a massive 876-page bestseller heavily marketed as a feminist take on Camelot and the legends of King Arthur, and was critically hailed for being very different than the usual retellings of the classic tale. It was different, and in some ways, with its grim darkness and overt sexuality, The Mists of Avalon might even be considered a predecessor of sorts to George R.R. Martin’s A Game of Thrones. I found it to be too much of a soap opera myself, and certainly not a patch on Chrétien de Troyes, Thomas Malory, or even T.H. White, although there were a few salacious sections that did serve to liven up the book considerably.

But even as a red-blooded young man, some of those sections struck me as perhaps a little too salacious. While I can’t say that I had any inkling of what the author’s habits or home life were at the time, I did detect a slight sense of what I can only describe as a wrongness from the book. Arthur didn’t love Guinevere, but was pining away for his half-sister? Sir Lancelot was not only Galahad, but also Arthur’s bisexual cousin? Instead of being a tragic love triangle, Arthur, Launcelot, and Guinevere were a swinging threesome? And Mordred was not only Arthur’s son, but the product of incest knowingly orchestrated by Merlin for pagan purposes to boot?

Yeah, that’s not hot. That’s just weird and more than a little grotesque.

I don’t recall if I ever actually finished the novel or not, but I know I didn’t bother reading any of its many sequels. I felt that I had given this vaunted feminist author a fair shake and delved as deeply into Ms. Bradley’s strange psyche as I wished to go, little knowing that what I dismissed as freakish feminist literary antics were merely scratching the surface on what was actually an intergenerational psychosexual horror show.

Three decades later, despite being a science fiction author and editor myself, I found myself increasingly at odds with the creepy little community known as SF fandom, which can best be described as the cantina crowd from Star Wars, only depressed, overweight, and sexually confused. At the same time, I was also becoming increasingly aware of a wrongness that emanated from that community like a faint, but unmistakably foul odor.

There were rumors about the real reason behind science fiction grandmaster Arthur C. Clarke’s bizarre relocation from southern California to Sri Lanka. There was the arrest of David Asimov, son of science fiction legend Isaac Asimov, for the possession of the largest stash of child pornography the police had ever seen. There were the public defenses offered by many science fiction authors on behalf of the SFWA member and convicted child molester Ed Kramer. There was the naming of NAMBLA enthusiast and homo-horrorporn author Samuel Delaney as SFWA’s 2013 Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master.

And then, of course, there was the historical Breendoggle, a fifty-year-old debate among science-fiction fandom concerning whether a child molester, Walter Breen, should have been permitted to attend the science-fiction convention known as Pacificon II or not. Believe it or not, the greater part of fandom at the time was outraged by the committee’s sensible decision to deny Breen permission to attend the 1964 convention; science-fiction fandom continued to cover for the notorious pedophile even after his death in 1993. In “Conspiracy of silence: fandom and Marion Zimmer Bradley”, Martin Wisse wrote:

Why indeed did it take until MZB was dead for her covering for convicted abuser Walter Breen to become public knowledge and not just whispered amongst in the know fans. Why in fact was Breen allowed to remain in fandom, being able to groom new victims? Breen after all was first convicted in 1954, yet could carry out his grooming almost unhindered at sf cons until the late nineties. And when the 1964 Worldcon did ban him, a large part of fandom got very upset at them for doing so.

The fact that fandom had been covering for pedophiles for decades was deeply troubling. And yet, we would soon learn that this wrongness in science fiction ran even deeper than the most cynical critics suspected.

On June 3, 2014, a writer named Deirdre Saorse Moen put up a post protesting the decision of Tor Books to posthumously honor Tor author and World Fantasy Award-winner Marion Zimmer Bradley, on the basis of Bradley’s 1998 testimony given in a legal deposition about her late husband. When Moen was called out by Bradley fans for supposedly misrepresenting Bradley, she reached out to someone she correctly felt would know the truth about the feminist icon: Moira Greyland, the daughter of Marion Zimmer Bradley and Walter Breen.

Little did Moen know how dark the truth about the famous award-winning feminist was. For when Moira responded a few days later, she confirmed Moen’s statement about Marion Zimmer Bradley knowing all about her pedophile husband’s behavior. However, Moira also added that her famous mother had been a child molester as well, and that in fact, Bradley had been far more violently abusive to both her and her brother than Breen!

I will not say more about the harrowing subject of this book because it is the author’s story to tell, not mine. But I will take this opportunity to say something about the author, whom I have come to admire for her courage, for her faith, and most of all, for her ability to survive an unthinkably brutal upbringing with both her sanity and her sense of humor intact.

Moira does not wallow in her victimhood. Nor does she paint her victimizers as soulless devils, indeed, her empathy for those who wronged her so deeply is more than astonishing, it is humbling. Her strength of character, her integrity, and her faith in a God she was raised to believe did not exist are almost inexplicable, particularly in an age where adult college students cannot face unintended microaggressions without the support of their university administrations, the campus police, and physician-prescribed pharmaceuticals.

Her story is more than a triumph of the human spirit, more than a tale of survival, and more than a devastating indictment of a seriously depraved community. It is an inspiration to everyone, particularly for anyone who has ever been subjected to abuse or ill-treatment as a child.

Moira’s message is clear: they can hurt you, they can harm you, and they can leave you with scars that last a lifetime, but they cannot touch your soul. Their sins are not your sins and their shame is not your shame. And there is a light that is always waiting to heal those who summon the strength to walk out of the last closet and turn their back on the darkness inside it.


UPDATE: Thank you for your strong support for the author.

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105 Comments:

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 13, 2017 8:06 AM  

An absolutely terrific foreword, Vox.

Back to Sea of Skulls now?

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 13, 2017 8:11 AM  

Wow.

Sold.

Blogger #7139 December 13, 2017 8:17 AM  

Purchased.

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 8:18 AM  

Back to Sea of Skulls now?

Yes, with more than a little relief.

Anonymous Zophiel December 13, 2017 8:18 AM  

Went and purchased it as soon as I saw my email. Not exactly looking forward to reading it, tbh, but I know I need to read it. Thank you, VD and Moira, for getting this out into the daylight.

Anonymous Rien December 13, 2017 8:20 AM  

I have a half read copy of "Mists of Avalon" lying around. I do not like to only half-read books, so even though it has been a few years I always had a mind to "finish it" .. sometime.

I no longer feel that urge. When I happen across it next time, I will transfer it to its rightful destination...

Blogger The Kurgan December 13, 2017 8:31 AM  

Vox,
Reading that foreword has made my hair stand on end. Given you know how I look that's not saying nothing.
I will have to buy this book simply as a show of support. I do not know if I have it in me to read it through right now.
It might be wiser for me to wait until mass impalings are a thing again before I do so.

Blogger Matthew Funk December 13, 2017 8:34 AM  

Our worlds overlap. Although the pagans that interacted with MZB are neither Asatru nor Folkish, there has been major cover-up of pedos in universalist pagan circles. As I understand, here are whisper campaigns amongst parents who to keep your children from, but nothing substantive to actually remove them. She had a literary history with Diana Paxton, who I have no reason to believe guilty of sexual assault or willfully covering for known perpetrators, but one has to wonder what she knows of OTHER pedos in the universalist pagan circles.

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 8:39 AM  

As I understand, here are whisper campaigns amongst parents who to keep your children from, but nothing substantive to actually remove them.

Well, send those parents a copy of this book. Whisper campaigns clearly do not work, and they will be held responsible for their silence by future generations. One of those children they failed to protect may well write about them.

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Blogger JohnG December 13, 2017 8:51 AM  

Didn't read her, I never found a female writer that could do a male character right, especially in the swords and sorcery genre. I was probably scarred by Anne Rice, who I'm sure is quite the freak.

Blogger Dave December 13, 2017 8:56 AM  

A chilling foreword but inspirational at the same time.

As Zophiel and The Kurgan so aptly said; I too will buy this book in support but dread reading it.

Vox, if it hasn't already been made known, I hope we learn how Castalia House's association with Moira came to be.

Blogger Matthew Funk December 13, 2017 8:58 AM  

I'll buy two copies as soon as it hits the presses, one for myself and (at least) one to clandestinely slip into the hands of a Trothsman or two. Universalist heathenry is completely and utterly SJW converged, they reject even center leftists if they question any part of the SJW narrative. They have a document known as Declaration 127 where they vow to not interact with the Asatru Folk Assembly, or its members (of which I am one), in any way shape or form. Getting the book into their hands would actually require a plant who isn't publicly Folkish. I can think of two or three names of people in the Troth that I would marginally trust to not completely sweep the book's information under the rug. Most likely, those people will be leaving the Troth around the time that this book hits, especially if it names people who are currently involved in the universalist Asatru scene. Unis have literally vowed never to listen to a word I say, but if this information can get into the hands of someone who will actually shut pedos down, I am more than willing to buy a few copies to take a few shots at it.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2017 9:00 AM  

I enjoyed Heinlein but his stories' sexuality always put me off. "The plural of spouse is spice," for example.

SF often seems to wallow in Utopianism or Dystopianism. Why not just tell a good story, set in a fictional paradigm that allows the author to explore the highs and lows of the human condition, larger-than-life, perhaps, but as people ARE, not some weird fetish of the author's deep-seated pathology?

The Utopianist versions often posit the casting-off of sexual mores that are literally coded into humanity at the cellular level. It's an egregious version of promoting the author's F'ed-up "what ought to be" over Nature's what is.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 13, 2017 9:08 AM  

You cannot shame the broken, the Right has tried that with little in the way of results.

Blogger xavier December 13, 2017 9:09 AM  

Vox
It must've been as harrowing as walking through the valley of death. Yet it's heatening to hear how God always helps the vulnerable. Hope and faith are always present.
Moira comes across as an exceptional woman not to be poisioned by the evil done to her. God's always with us.
Thank youvfor this work of mercy by publishing this book

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 9:17 AM  

It must've been as harrowing as walking through the valley of death.

Well, you know, I'm not the meanest son of a bitch in the valley. But he was a friend of mine.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2017 9:18 AM  

We are not our parents (or anyone who abuses us.) Their foibles, their pathologies, are not ours.

Each of us is born to a segment of the spectrum for every human attribute. We don't choose where on each spectrum our segment resides, but we surely do choose where on each segment we live our lives. We get to make of ourselves the best (or worst) version available. It sounds like Ms. Greyland is pinning the needle on "the best." That is admirable.

Not everyone forgives, however.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 13, 2017 9:28 AM  

Her story is more than a triumph of the human spirit, more than a tale of survival, and more than a devastating indictment of a seriously depraved community.

It's a miracle is what it is.

Anonymous RCFlyer December 13, 2017 9:30 AM  

Purchased...feel like I'm going to have to brace myself to read this one.

Blogger pyrrhus December 13, 2017 9:31 AM  

I'm part way through this, and it's a tour de force about the psychosexual destruction of society, seen through the lens of a victim.

Anonymous Wraithburn December 13, 2017 9:39 AM  

Bought a copy, your foreword is a powerful statement.

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAcceptable December 13, 2017 9:39 AM  

Thank you for editing this book and Castalia House for publishing it. There are many forms of courage. Moira Greyland in writing her story, is a prime example of the ultimate expression of antivictimhood that validates her miraculous survival in the face of unabashed evil. Having read her letter (very difficult in itself), which I would expect is an outline of the book's content, she demonstrates that she is an excellent writer and teller of oh-so-hard tales.

May God bless her and you and protect you both from all assaults of the evil one for exposing to the light the incredible evil in the hearts of his followers.

Blogger wreckage December 13, 2017 9:41 AM  

Don't know if I'll ever read it, but I'm going to buy a copy; the author deserves support.

Blogger seeingsights December 13, 2017 9:41 AM  

When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, my family encouraged my interest in science fiction. I watch sci-fi tv shows and movies, and bought for me sci-fi books and magazines.
But they never mentioned sci-fi conventions.
Now I think they were protecting me. And that is just one example of their prescience--they closed an account with a Savings and Loan in the late 70s to give another example. And this before the internet was a mass phenomenon.

Anonymous Amir Larijani December 13, 2017 9:48 AM  

I have been following this story since Vox alerted me to it with his posting on the matter in 2014.

Just the little I know--from reading Moira's posts on it--reveals a very horrid, worst-case-scenario sexual-abuse ordeal.

OTOH, the real story here is not the terrible atrocities of her parents, but rather her triumph over the hell they gave her.

Blogger wired216 December 13, 2017 10:10 AM  

Bought it. Don't look forward to reading it but her story must be told. And I will share the story with everyone I know. God Bless Moira and Vox and keep you both safe.

Blogger Jon D. December 13, 2017 10:26 AM  

I'm very frightened to read this book. Poor Moira. She is a wonderful person and I'm bracing for her full story :(

Blogger Cloudswrest December 13, 2017 10:34 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I enjoyed Heinlein but his stories' sexuality always put me off. "The plural of spouse is spice," for example.


Tell me about it. In "Time Enough for Love" Lazarus Long goes back in time, plays "uncle" to his young tyke self, and screws his young mom. He also clones himself, using cytosurgery to replace the "Y" chromosome with "X", to produce two identical twin sister clones of himself. I forget whether he screwed them too. (Reminds me of the song "Clone of my own" song by Isaac Asimov. http://members.tripod.com/~bardic_circle/aclone.htm )

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2017 10:39 AM  

Geez, Matthew Funk, I'm familiar with some of the nuances and ins-and-outs in the pagan world, but I think I'd need one of those graphic setups they use on NASCAR broadcasts to keep up with who waves which knife in what direction. Is this one of those situations where you have to timestamp the schisms for clarity?

Assuming you're a good guy, I'd be watching my back right now if I were you. The harpies are feeling liberated right now, and the last thing you need is some green-haired psycho whale deciding that some comment you made is enough for zir to drop some made-up charges on you.

I have a friend who is about as lefty as they get. But I gave him a copy of SJWAL, because he's in a position in the pagan world where one of the nutcases could really screw up his life. And if you're seen associating with the Alt-Right in attacking the sainted MZB, well, you're literally Hitler, and anything is justified when punching Nazis.

Vox, thanks for the work you did on this. And for the rest of you, Moira Greyland has some very beautiful music available on Amazon. It's not Babymetal, but I hear they're going to cover one of her songs....

Anonymous Wooly December 13, 2017 10:39 AM  

Thanks, Vox, for publishing this, and for the thoughtful, and forceful foreword.

Anonymous Holmwood December 13, 2017 10:39 AM  

I'm reading it now and not sure I'll finish. It's pretty grim, though Greyland is a talented writer and the story she tells must be told. Thankfully, there are moments of levity:

[B]oth he and my mother were convinced that they had been abducted by aliens, though I have never seen a single little green man at any of our family homes... Pardon me for being boring, but I find tales of alien abduction to be as dismal as stories about being stuck in line at the DMV.

That almost sounds like Vox.

Anonymous fop December 13, 2017 10:40 AM  

Moira's first writing was really an indictment of gayness in general as the gateway to all kinds of abuse. I wish her the best as she is about to experience a whole new wave of hatred and spewed venom from the "Love Wins" community.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning December 13, 2017 10:42 AM  

This could win the 2018 Hugo Awards, best related work. Funny how it came out just in time to make that deadline. Just in time for Christmas, too.
How to get copies into the hands of SFWA members and Tor employees? I'm in for two+ copies for that if its feasible and reasonable. (Might be a bad idea, not sure.)

Anonymous RCFlyer December 13, 2017 10:49 AM  

Cloudswrest wrote:Tell me about it. In "Time Enough for Love" Lazarus Long goes back in time, plays "uncle" to his young tyke self, and screws his young mom. He also clones himself, using cytosurgery to replace the "Y" chromosome with "X", to produce two identical twin sister clones of himself. I forget whether he screwed them too.

Pretty sure he did - in "The Number of the Beast" it was apparent that everyone was screwing everybody, even to the point of Jake (the scientist who created the interdimensional travel machine) having sex with his daughter Deety. Heinlein got very twisted towards the end - I heard once that he and his wife were "swingers".

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2017 10:52 AM  

@Deplorable Winning: I'm fairly sure that this won't win a Hugo. The people who bother to vote on that award are not going to want a book that shows them to be petty, vicious and predatory.

Anonymous DissidentRight December 13, 2017 10:59 AM  

Current events made getting this book out ASAP a top priority. ASOS will keep.

Blogger haus frau December 13, 2017 11:11 AM  

I just bought this and yet, I don't know if I want to read it? I want to know who these people are and how they got access to so many children. Why did parents allow it? I think their are a lot of these people infesting our institutions. But it sounds like their are lots of details that stay with you. I'm sorry for what you went through Moira. No child deserves that ever.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning December 13, 2017 11:12 AM  

Gordon wrote:I'm fairly sure that this won't win a Hugo. The people who bother to vote on that award are not going to want a book that shows them to be petty, vicious and predatory.

It can certainly be nominated for a 2018 Hugo Award, and it can certainly be included in the "must read" packet that goes to all the voters for the Hugo Awards, and it can certainly become listed in the 2018 Hugo Award Nominees, and most certainly etc.

Blogger Starboard December 13, 2017 11:13 AM  

Just purchased. May her book prove an inspiration to others who have been abused. They are not alone. Ms. Greyland, thanks for writing this and allowing it to be published. Vox and crew, thanks for editing and publishing her account.

The only book MZB's that I read was Mists of Avalon in the 90's, but thought it was just an R rated modernization of the King Arthur tale. By the time I finished it, I was over it.

I hate to think that SF was and is as bad as all that. SF books and movies were my life blood in middle and high school. Yes, I too was a nerd. The more I hear these stories and the more I think back on the books I read in school, the more disgusted I get.

Shine the light and burn their carefully crafted memories down. Destroy the fake legends of SF.

Serious question: Who wasn't a perv in early science fiction? I'd like to repopulate my library with non-creeps and non-pedophiles.

Slightly OT: The #MeToo phenomenon is an interesting reversal of the 90's Clinton argument that a person's personal life has no effect on their public abilities.

OpenID widlast December 13, 2017 11:24 AM  

It's horrifying how widespread and pervasive the perversion is.
My youth was practically idyllic. Once in high school, especially after a few beers, people would often talk about what had happened in their young lives, and it amazed me how many people I knew had been molested. One friend had even been raped by his own father! Need to start stockpiling tar and feathers.

Blogger Silly but True December 13, 2017 11:28 AM  

Disgusting. Even more disgusting that tomorrow's generation of American sci if authors through SFWA and its leadership like John Scalzi doubled down on the support of child molestors line Kramer and sexually bizarre like Delany.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 13, 2017 11:28 AM  

I am hesitant to read this one. But I'll certainly buy it this woman deserves fans support.

Anonymous Didas Kalos December 13, 2017 11:36 AM  

Every person born has a glorious destiny for their life in the mind and heart of God. See Jer. 1:5. God knew us before the foundation of the world. Satan destroyed Adam and Eve's destiny by beguiling them to commit high treason against the heavenly Father. Then he went about to destroy all the destinies of mankind. That's why he temps to sin; it puts a person under his dominion spiritually.
Jesus came and paid the ultimate price to redeem us from this atrocity and degradation. He came to enable us to fulfill our glorious destiny in Christ. He came to restore us back into the family of our heavenly Father.
Sexual deviancy (including all sex outside of marriage, fornication, rape, homosexuality, etc.) will destroy a person's destiny.
The whole world (world system) lies under the domain of the devil. The only way out is to be in Christ. (see Romans 5/6)
God's mercy is the only reason all is not lost, and the only reason that persons like the Author can escape and be made whole. Soon there will be no tears, no heartaches, no sorrows; for the righteous, those who are washed in the Blood of Christ and Born again.
For sinners and specifically in this context, the perpetrators of this astoshining level of satanic evil, the sorrow, pain, tears, heartaches, and torment hasn't started yet.
Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ, Lord of Heaven and Earth!

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 13, 2017 11:42 AM  

Even more disgusting that tomorrow's generation of American sci if authors through SFWA...

Heh. Those morons aren't even today's generation of American sci fi authors anymore.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 13, 2017 11:42 AM  

Moira is an artist, and artists live to create beautiful things. So she doesn't like to tell her story and regrets it, because her story is a horror show. But it is important, and she's very good at telling it. She is quite amazing and powerful.

Blogger Dave December 13, 2017 11:47 AM  

Deplorable Winning wrote:Gordon wrote:I'm fairly sure that this won't win a Hugo. The people who bother to vote on that award are not going to want a book that shows them to be petty, vicious and predatory.

It can certainly be nominated for a 2018 Hugo Award, and it can certainly be included in the "must read" packet that goes to all the voters for the Hugo Awards, and it can certainly become listed in the 2018 Hugo Award Nominees, and most certainly etc.


How many Rabid Puppies still have a vote on the upcoming Hugo nominations? How many would buy a membership just to nominate The Last Closet?

Daniel Enness's Safe Space as Rape Room: Science Fiction Culture and Childhood’s End was nominated as a result of a Rabid Puppies campaign. Other than some discomfort over its inclusion in the packet they pretended it was never nominated.

Anonymous Victor F. Michaelson December 13, 2017 12:03 PM  

I’m buying it for the same reasons as The Kurgan, and I’ll read it. I’m not looking forward to it, but not all swamps that need to be drained are on the East Coast but this book is a map to the gate of an incredibly evil swamp that need draining & proscription.

Blogger Jon D. December 13, 2017 12:12 PM  

The mention for Hugo for best related story is clutch. Even if a lot of people aren't involved, a list should be made. Never quit, never resign. Just keep going and it triggers. This getting nominated and in the elites faces directly I think would be a very important thing to do for our culture next year.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2017 12:20 PM  

@34 Good point (about Heinlein); I'd forgotten how far into (justifiably) taboo he slid toward the end.

All of this is a reminder that the trends turning our society into a cesspool, one clueless, avant-garde mark at a time, span over a century.

For all practical purposes, anything that is widely popular is assumed to be happiness-destroying, soul-crushing filth.

Blogger Dave December 13, 2017 12:56 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius December 13, 2017 12:57 PM  

The Kurgan wrote:Vox,

Reading that foreword has made my hair stand on end. Given you know how I look that's not saying nothing.

I will have to buy this book simply as a show of support. I do not know if I have it in me to read it through right now.

It might be wiser for me to wait until mass impalings are a thing again before I do so.


Make sure you have a bottle of whiskey open and on your reading table next to you when you reach Chapter 10.

You'll also need a shower afterwards.

Blogger PoseidonAwoke December 13, 2017 12:57 PM  

SJWs on Reddit are attempting to poo-poo the book by pionting out that it says it is a work of fiction: [https://imgur.com/a/IYVWF](https://imgur.com/a/IYVWF)

Was that just boilerplate and a mistake, or is it fiction for legal reasons?

Reddit thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/7jjlm9/marion_zimmerbradleys_daughter_moira_greyland_has/dr71x72/](https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/7jjlm9/marion_zimmerbradleys_daughter_moira_greyland_has/dr71x72/)

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 2:00 PM  

SJWs on Reddit are attempting to poo-poo the book by pionting out that it says it is a work of fiction

What a fascinating reaction. That tells you all you really need to know about their priorities and their interest in the truth. It was just a production error that was already fixed.

Perhaps the fact that it is a #1 bestseller in a nonfiction category would suffice to demonstrate otherwise.

Blogger Koanic December 13, 2017 2:00 PM  

The fire rises.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 13, 2017 2:10 PM  

This is Moira performing, ROTHESAY BAY.

An original composition of her own.

Who among us could produce this kind of beauty after suffering that kind of horror.



"I love child molesters. No matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad afterwards."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUZVA1ZJVX4

Blogger Matthew December 13, 2017 2:25 PM  

I kept this on loop while working on the production side of the book.

https://soundcloud.com/moira-greyland

Blogger Fenris Wulf December 13, 2017 2:29 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@34 Good point (about Heinlein); I'd forgotten how far into (justifiably) taboo he slid toward the end.

He was working his perversions into his fiction as early as 1941. There's a repeated theme of an older man being propositioned by his daughter or granddaughter and reluctantly turning her down.

And yet, his books taught me lessons about manhood that were sadly lacking in my upbringing. Too bad he was a raging perv.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT December 13, 2017 2:33 PM  

Like a few others above, I bought a copy to support her, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to actually read it.

I praise God for his mercy towards Moira, for rescuing and preserving her soul through all of this. But I also want to scream towards the heavens because His justice cannot come swiftly enough.

Blogger Matthew December 13, 2017 2:39 PM  

Fenris Wulf wrote:And yet, his books taught me lessons about manhood that were sadly lacking in my upbringing. Too bad he was a raging perv.

I have trouble believing that the man who wrote Double Star could also write the later books.

Anonymous CPEG December 13, 2017 2:46 PM  

@57
She wrote an album inspired by her mother's novel? Heavens. Is it some sort of superversive I'm-stealing-this-back-from-you thing?

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 13, 2017 2:48 PM  

I strongly suspect Heinlein was molested himself.

He seems to have had just about all of the major indicators of serial abuse. In include embracing and identifying with the abuser.

Anonymous Man of the Atom December 13, 2017 2:58 PM  

Purchased. As many here, I am hesitant to read this book, but I will find a way. I hope the book helps Ms Greyland and others who have experienced similar hardships in their childhoods.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 13, 2017 3:07 PM  

I am hesitant to read this book

It's hard slogging, but well worth it. Once you get past the sheer shrieking outrage (and you have to, or you can't continue), there's a lot of wit and humor. She's got a tremendous resilience to have survived this while being able to be so honest. And, as Vox said, that faith sure helps.

Anonymous Albert December 13, 2017 3:44 PM  

Heinlein complained about censorship in his juvenile books. Given what he pulled in his adult books, I have to wonder how much he downplayed his attempts to sneak smut past the radar when writing his memoir.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 13, 2017 4:00 PM  

haus frau wrote:I just bought this and yet, I don't know if I want to read it? I want to know who these people are and how they got access to so many children. Why did parents allow it?
Because the WREs never want to believe that (insert name here) is a pedophile, or that anything bad could ever happen to their children with more than one person around.

Starboard wrote:Serious question: Who wasn't a perv in early science fiction?
John C. Wright has suggested A. E. van Vogt.

Dave wrote:How many Rabid Puppies still have a vote on the upcoming Hugo nominations?
Enough to nominate it.

How many would buy a membership just to nominate The Last Closet?
Don't give any more money to these monsters.

Blogger lowercaseb December 13, 2017 4:33 PM  

deleted my comment because it turns out I was just repeating what everyone else was saying...buying to support, and dreading the reading.

Instead, I give thanks for my family and my family's friends that we never had to experience something like this. We take so many things for granted...

Anonymous Daniel December 13, 2017 4:36 PM  

I'll be buying and reading this book.

Anonymous Daniel December 13, 2017 4:44 PM  

>>Moira’s message is clear: they can hurt you, they can harm you, and they can leave you with scars that last a lifetime, but they cannot touch your soul. Their sins are not your sins and their shame is not your shame.

Not for anything, but that line brought to mind some lyrics of one of my favorite rock songs, Heroes, by Bowie.

I, I can remember (I remember)
Standing by the wall (by the wall)
And the guns shot above our heads (over our heads)
And we kissed, as though nothing could fall (nothing could fall)
And the shame was on the other side
Oh we can beat them, for ever and ever
Then we could be Heroes, just for one day

Yeah, Bowie probably did cavort with some underage groupies (late teenage girls, not boys). I wonder if he came to regret those incidents. Not to excuse him, but that was in his LA period, when he was blitzed on Cocaine all day every day. He later came to say that LA should be flattened and erased from the face of the earth. Oh well.

And, BTW, David Bowie, was never a fag, or "bi-sexual", whatever that's supposed to mean. That was all just camp signaling for the rock press. Anything, anything to get some attention so he could make a living at his chosen craft.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton December 13, 2017 4:45 PM  

Marion Zimmer Bradley was big in the Society for Creative Anachronism during the later 1970s.

Anonymous Chris December 13, 2017 5:01 PM  

It's books like this that make one understand why there is a hell.

Anonymous NobodyExpects December 13, 2017 5:16 PM  

Bought. I am not sure about being able to read it, however.

May this book be the Archipielago Gulag of the sexual revolution.

Blogger Redpill Angel December 13, 2017 5:28 PM  

Heck, I'm up to chapter 10. Can't stop reading. My husband and I met in sf fandom 40 years ago, and these people were admired role models, creatives who'd made a go of it, or so I thought. Over the years, I saw and heard plenty, enough to make me wonder if all high IQ people were moral imbeciles, but we also met a few Christian fans who are still our friends. And the artists were all straight white guys who could paint like demons.

Anonymous Nathan December 13, 2017 5:31 PM  

"Heinlein complained about censorship in his juvenile books. Given what he pulled in his adult books, I have to wonder how much he downplayed his attempts to sneak smut past the radar when writing his memoir."

Very likely. Barry Malzberg said that it was a game of many of the sffwriters in the 50s to sneak innuendo past the editors. One author was especially pleased when his description of a tomcat as a "ball-bearing mouse trap" slipped past them.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright December 13, 2017 5:45 PM  

I'm with you, Vox. I found Bradley's books disturbing and just not right.

Met her once when I was just out of college. I was watching the door to the art show at a Darkover Convention and got scowled at by a short older woman. After she went by, it was explained to me that this had been Marion Zimmer Bradley, and I had failed to recognize her at her own convention.

Anonymous CPEG December 13, 2017 5:48 PM  

@74
That is like another world, given that popular young adult authors these days just write tender stories about teenagers giving their first blowjobs.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 13, 2017 5:57 PM  

I'm reminded of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Boys_%28novel%29

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 13, 2017 5:59 PM  

Card appears to be drawing from a common well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Boys_%28novel%29#Charges_of_plagiarism

Blogger weka December 13, 2017 6:16 PM  

Ordered. But not looking forward to the read. I work with such people, and the damage done is greater than from the needle.
https://youtu.be/k0t0EW6z8a0

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) December 13, 2017 6:18 PM  

So, it will be eligible for nomination in Wor;dCon 76 then ...

Blogger xavier December 13, 2017 6:18 PM  

Vox,
Many thanks again for publishing this book. If it can help other abuse victims and inform parents to recognize predatory behaviour in adults then all involved with this book it was worth the sorrow.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 13, 2017 6:29 PM  

@40 Starboard: "Serious question: Who wasn't a perv in early science fiction? I'd like to repopulate my library with non-creeps and non-pedophiles."

Depends on what you consider "early". I'd go with E.E. Smith. Jerry Pournelle. Larry Niven. Not 100% sure about James Schmitz, but I'd bet on him being a good guy.

Anonymous Man of the Atom December 13, 2017 6:32 PM  

E Deploribus Unum wrote:I am hesitant to read this book

It's hard slogging, but well worth it. Once you get past the sheer shrieking outrage (and you have to, or you can't continue), there's a lot of wit and humor. She's got a tremendous resilience to have survived this while being able to be so honest. And, as Vox said, that faith sure helps.


I'm making a go of it, and I'm through Chapter 10. She is a better person than me that she can forgive Breen and Bradley. I cannot imagine how I would get myself to that place if I experienced what she did.

Had to keep telling myself that this woman survived to write about these events, and had the strength to form a family. That's keeping me going through it.

Ms Greyland is an engaging writer. Her subtle humor here and there shows she is a survivor and a builder in this life.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 13, 2017 6:43 PM  

Walter Breen clearly has a severe case of Asperger's, comparable to Richard Stallman or Texas Arcane.

Blogger SirHamster December 13, 2017 6:58 PM  

Re: Heinlein

I greatly enjoyed Starship Troopers as a youth and so started reading his other works ...

I get that sense of "wrongness" from the sex orgies that popped up in his other works, doubly so for the All You Zombies short story.

May be part of why I've never gotten into Libertarianism ... If men were angels, we would not need laws.

Blogger haus frau December 13, 2017 7:07 PM  

@82 is pournell's writing age appropriate for a 12 year old? I have a relative I just found out likes sci-fi but now that I know so many of the classics were written by pervs who wrote their fetishes into their work... well I"m just disappointed.

Blogger Matthew Funk December 13, 2017 7:14 PM  

@30 Gordon

I can't speak for pagans external to Asatru, but there are three main camps of Asatruar. Folkish heathens (of which I am one) are big on doing ceremony with people who share the ancestry and take a rather severe view of what our gods demand of us. Unis think matters of ancestral heritage are irrelevant and have a rather permissive view of what their gods permit of them. Tribalists are in the middle, believing ancestral heritage to be rather irrelevant, but have a severe view of what their gods demand of them. Those are the three camps of Heathenry. The first and the second do not get along. There are tons of schisms within those three main camps, but that is the fundamental division that precedes all others. The ins and outs of who can't get along with who are complex and do require updating by the hour in some circles.

Yet, what is relevant specifically for this topic is that I have heard rumors that Unis have been covering for pedos in their community, preferring to whisper it back channel than draw attention to their organization(s). If I knew names, I'd shout names from the rooftop. Even if they were unconfirmed rumors, I'd make damn sure the rumors were known so that a spotlight would be shone to determine the truth. My fiancee has friends who have heard rumors, I do not know the details thereof. Nevertheless, when it comes to potentially saving a child from pedos, I'll take on the entire SJW army and gladly put myself at risk if it even decreases the odds that a child is abused.

Blogger VD December 13, 2017 7:24 PM  

Pournelle is fine. No problems there. He was a genuinely good man, which of course is why all the younger freakshows disliked him.

Anonymous Man of the Atom December 13, 2017 7:29 PM  

Starting Chapter 14. Thirteen chapters have helped me determine that the Earth's supply of millstones is dangerously low.

Blogger haus frau December 13, 2017 7:41 PM  

@88 I figured since you publish him he is a decent man. Was more thinking that his material might not be age appropriate for a younger crowd but your word is good enough. I have really enjoyed your publishing house these two years.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 13, 2017 7:48 PM  

haus frau wrote:is pournell's writing age appropriate for a 12 year old?
Starswarm was intended as a juvenile, and he co-authored a few others with Charles Sheffield (also probably a good author). Read them first and decide whether you think they're appropriate given the child and what he is already being exposed to from other sources.

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:Depends on what you consider "early".
H. Beam Piper is probably a good one too, and many (most? all?) of his works are in the public domain. There was nothing the least bit perverse in Uller Uprising.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) December 13, 2017 8:17 PM  

I was in my teens when I read A Stranger in a Strange Land. It was a heap of shit!

I liked The Moon is a Harsh Mistress but even then I thought his line marriages were bullshit.

Jerry Pournelle was a straight arrow. Really no sex in his novels although people do get married ... and no deviant sex!

Anonymous CPEG December 13, 2017 8:29 PM  

I really liked James P Hogan as a young teen. The romance angles were about romance, not perversion, and the guy was a rock-solid anti-Commie.

Blogger Wolfman at Large December 13, 2017 8:49 PM  

Getting a 'broadcast not found' on the latest darkstream. Is it just me?

Anonymous TD December 13, 2017 8:50 PM  

Bought it.

The hard writing and harder subject matter of "Safe Space as Rape Space"grabbed me by the throat. Since this is a subject that I don't want to have in my web browser, I was excited after seeing a previous post about it. Impressed do far two chapters into it.

Blogger Phat Repat December 13, 2017 9:09 PM  

Very well written VD; bravo. To me, there is nothing more despicable than the abuse of a child, likely THE most vulnerable in our society. Forget chemical castration or prison, flush these humanoid turds.

Blogger Dave December 13, 2017 9:39 PM  

Impressive first day Amazon ranking #415 already, #1 in three categories.

I've only read the Look Inside as of now but so far very engaging and absorbing.

Blogger Starboard December 13, 2017 10:43 PM  

Lurking Puppy, Napolian, and more. Thanks for the recommendations!

The Last Closet: I made it to chapter 16 today. I am most impressed with what this book is not. It is not a (how do I say this?) graphic depiction that could be read for nefarious purposes. That she presents her parents' horrible childhoods in a sympathetic light makes their abuse all the more heartbreaking and monstrous. I know there are psychological reasons that those who are abused can in turn become abusers, but come on! The obviously false naivete of the people waffling about whether such abuse is damaging to the children is disgusting. Breen's lie about not knowing that people opposed his abuse is disgusting. Blech.

She writes with clarity and charity right up until the parts where she can't. Her fear and her strength are there on the page. I cried at the Monster's Lullaby, and it's the first page.

Cataline Sergius, Whisky would have been preferable for chapter 10 and on, but having mom obligations this afternoon/evening I went the comfort food route. I also made sure my kids were warm and well fed this evening.

Blogger Dave December 13, 2017 10:47 PM  

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #392 Paid in Kindle Store

Anonymous Causal Lurker December 13, 2017 11:48 PM  

I could not finish Chapter 10, Cataline, I was looking for a bucket just in case. Whiskey after, although holy water would have been better. There's one phrase that keep coming to mind with the parents, and how they molded children into lives of misery: "behold, you will be as gods are." All the high intelligence, and no humility or honesty to recognize the Serpent is slithering into a new nest.

Starboard, also add Keith Laumer to your list. Bolos rock! Retief series, with some fractured science, is a wonderful set of satires and some biting (and still relevant) political satire. Jaime Retief was based on a serving officer who was seconded to the Foreign Service, and had a lot of strange-but-true exploits.

Anonymous vfm 0202 December 14, 2017 5:40 AM  

And this right here is why there has to be a Hell.

Anonymous aeou December 14, 2017 7:23 AM  

The only instance of censorship of Heinlein's juveniles I've read about is one where he wanted a gun to remain in the story and the female proto-SJW editor didn't. Heinlein was mostly on our side in the culture war. There is no reason to burn him without any evidence. Reserve that for the known enemy.

Blogger Blume December 14, 2017 9:42 AM  

Aeou stranger in a strange land is enough for any Christian to say no he isn't on our side.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 14, 2017 11:46 AM  

I got it on ku. Does she get full credit if I don't read the whole thing?

Anonymous Avalanche December 15, 2017 10:39 PM  

@69 "they can leave you with scars that last a lifetime, but they cannot touch your soul"

Sometimes, stronger in the broken places. Sometimes, build around them and go on.

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