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Thursday, December 21, 2017

The Lost Jedi

5-day revenues
TFA: $325,438,146
TLJ: $261,820,146
-19.6  percent

Day 5 revenue per screen
TFA: $9,038/screen
TLJ: $4,786/screen
-47.1 percent

Unexpectedly, both the average critic's rating (92%) and the average audience rating (54%) on Rotten Tomatoes are falling as time goes on. At this rate of decline, the audience rating will be below 50% inside a week. To put into perspective what a bomb this movie is, it took The Force Awakens 18 days for its revenue/screen average to fall below the $4,786 figure hit by The Last Jedi on Day 5.

Other than the massive opening weekend, TLJ is performing much more like a Marvel movie than a Star Wars film, which is the first sign that its domestic box office might actually end up reaching less than HALF of TFA's $936,662,225. In fact, if we simply add how TFA did after Day 18 to TLJ's five-day total, that suggests it will bring in less than $450 milllion domestically, well short of the $750 million it was expected to make. Given the terrible reviews, it may not even hit $400 million.

TL;DR: SJW convergence is expensive.

UPDATE: the media is belatedly beginning to notice that TLJ is a failure by Star Wars standards, even though they can't understand the reason for it.
Monday’s box office numbers turned up a new glitch in the numbers for “The Last Jedi.” Even the Disney experts must have been surprised. “Jedi” took home $21.5 million on Monday, an important night for adult filmgoers.

But two years ago, “The Force Awakens” reaped just over $40 million on its first Monday. It’s almost twice as much.

There’s a feeling that “Jedi” is soft at the box office. I don’t know why. It’s just as good if not better. And it has major plot developments for “Star Wars” fans.

So this afternoon’s report on Tuesday numbers will be scrutinized closely. “Force Awakens” did $37.3 million on its first Tuesday. Will “Jedi” compare favorably? Stay tuned…
No, no, it did not. Instead of comparing favorably on its first Tuesday (Day 5), TLJ compared very disfavorably, coming in 42 percent south of its predecessor at $20.3 million.


UPDATE: TLJ is rapidly approaching freefall territory.

Day 6: $16,900,000 (-65.6% from Day 6 TFA)
$3,993 per screen (-67% from Day 6 TFA)

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120 Comments:

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 21, 2017 5:10 AM  

Everybody I've talked to said it was just okay, but better than TFA. I wonder how many people stayed away because they didn't like TFA and have kind of washed their hands of the franchise.

Anonymous Alice De Goon December 21, 2017 5:14 AM  

...And somewhere, Mark Hamil is smiling...

Anonymous trev006 December 21, 2017 5:20 AM  

42 percent less on many, many more screens. Which are contractually locked to a movie which isn't enjoying expected enthusiasm, much less a crowd of repeat viewers.

I don't think it will matter. This movie is making a lot of money by non Star Wars standards, and Disney will take some big hits to promulgate the anti-Gospel. I don't even think locking screens will get you laughed out of a theatre.

Blogger Howard Stone December 21, 2017 5:33 AM  

I’ve already heard SJWs saying that if you don’t like TLJ you must be a racist.

Anonymous Rocklea December 21, 2017 5:35 AM  

More cultural enrichment in Australia. It's important not to jump to conclusions. It's terrorism, but motives are unclear.
https://twitter.com/blaircottrell89/status/943742945924063232

Perhaps they'd just seen TLJ.

Blogger JACIII December 21, 2017 5:36 AM  

Looks like, "Pretty pictures, but I've seen this 100 times before" might not be a recipe for success.

People go for the characters, and they have pulled a Marvel Comics on the characters by replacing them with SJW approved nuts and sluts. It will work the same for Disney as it did for Marvel.

Blogger Howard Stone December 21, 2017 5:37 AM  

@2 Alice De Goon, more like laughing maniacally.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 21, 2017 5:47 AM  

Is it appropriate to entertain the idea that "winning" is occurring via the free market? The loss of revenue, as indicated TLJ, appears to be an indicator of such. A few days ago, Marvel cancelled several books notorious for promoting SJW politics and, as most of us believe, were hemorrhaging revenue because of this (ie. America).

Anonymous SAK December 21, 2017 5:48 AM  

Everybody I've talked to said it was just okay, but better than TFA.

Really? I get consistently told TFA is better. I hate both, but agree with the consensus of my peers that TFA is the least worst.

Even the office lesbian that LOVES TFA, due to its 'strong female lead', who has gone to see this twice, said it was okay at best and nowhere near as good as TFA. And she desperately wanted to love this.

In her desire to support the film she also excused the poor audience numbers on rotten tomatoes by saying their had been bot click fraud reports. I look forward asking her how the poor audience score collapsed the box office numbers if they were counter, due to fraud, rather than inline, due to reality, with actual word of mouth and opinion.

Anonymous normally a lurker December 21, 2017 5:58 AM  

It's mind boggling to see how fast Disney is running Star Wars into the ground. No planning and structure for the main movies, Rogue One went through extensive reshoots, the Han Solo movie had it's directors fired this summer and merchandise sales shouldn't look too hot either since lots of the TFA/RO stuff ended up on clearance slaes and in bargain bins.

Disney will most likely maske a profit off but I doubt it's going to be a long term project for them.

Blogger Shimshon December 21, 2017 5:59 AM  

Completely on topic. It looks like the UN's own box office numbers might plummet if they double down after Trump's Jerusalem declaration. Who needs movies anymore? Real life is far more entertaining today.

Anonymous Ain December 21, 2017 6:15 AM  

It doesn't have the people that go to see Star Wars movies a dozen times or more. Instead they only see it two or three and decide it's not worth it.

Blogger Sam Spade December 21, 2017 6:36 AM  

@3 "I don't think it will matter. This movie is making a lot of money by non Star Wars standards, and Disney will take some big hits to promulgate the anti-Gospel. I don't even think locking screens will get you laughed out of a theatre."

Satanism trumps greed. Suck that truth materialists.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 6:37 AM  

Yeah, they are constantly testing the waters to see how much PC/SJW garbage they can include in their flagship stories. Normies even get bored with them if too far. They went too far for me after the Third Star Wars.

Blogger Aeoli December 21, 2017 6:37 AM  

I want to know how SJws all knew to support this turd. One of them bagged my groceries yesterday (he became despondent quickly when everyone else there started shitting on it) and I assume he wasn't on the secret mailing list. So what is the signal his moral antenna was picking up that said "this operation must succeed". You don't see that kind of perfect, distributed message discipline on the right. How do they communicate?

Anonymous Steve December 21, 2017 6:41 AM  

Been thinking about this recently. Obviously, TLJ will still make yuge big piles of money, but the beancounters at Disney have to be concerned that it's suffering double digit dropoffs compared with the last one.

If the next installment holds steady at Marvel-type numbers that's still a great success, but if they're exhausting the last shreds of fans' goodwill and Star Wars' cultural cachet, it's all downhill from here and Disney will soon be looking for another beloved phenomenon they can buy and then ruin.

Anecdotal evidence suggests the toys aren't doing anything special. The local supermarkets had Rey and Finn dolls on the shelves 2 years ago. Nobody seemed to be buying them and they were still on shelves last year, but heavily discounted. As a parent I know a lot of other people with small kids too, and none of our nippers have any great interest in any of the new Star Wars characters - with the lone exception of the funny little robot. I don't think many kids will be interested in an Admiral Tumblr or Bitter, Homeless Luke dolly.

Star Wars used to be a unique pop culture phenomenon with endless appeal to young boys. Now it's just another overstuffed franchise that has to compete with Marvel, Paw Patrol, Minions, Trollhunters and the endless diversions of YouTube.

The nerds who have been buying Star Wars products for 30 or 40 years seem to hate this film, and their enthusiasm can't be replaced with marketing campaigns.

So if Star Wars is shedding old fans and failing to win new ones, what does that mean for the planned 87 movies Disney will already have factored into their profit forecasts?

I've got a bad feeling about this.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 6:42 AM  

Ain wrote:It doesn't have the people that go to see Star Wars movies a dozen times or more. Instead they only see it two or three and decide it's not worth it.


You stuck it dead center here, as even the cult fans find this yawn worthy for a dozen watches,

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 21, 2017 6:46 AM  

Other than the massive opening weekend, TLJ is performing much more like a Marvel movie than a Star Wars film...

At this point, I now strongly suspect that it's second weekend dropoff is going to match Batman V Superman.

A Star Wars film performing like a DC film?

Heads will roll for this one.

Blogger The Observer December 21, 2017 6:46 AM  

I've got a bad feeling about this.

There's no need to be upset. If you loved it in your youth, mourn it as you must, but all good things must come to an end. Instead, think of it as a new beginning, the cruft being cleared for new intellectual properties to take hold.

Blogger Silly but True December 21, 2017 6:48 AM  

@Aeoli...
They look for the subtle messages like:
1. Rian Johnson cast a female sumo wrestler as The Last Jedi's new lead.
2. Rian Johnson is Kathleen Kennedy's new bff.
3. No one's seen Rian Johnson's 3-hr. cut, but he's already been awarded a new trilogy (Nobel Committee already reviewing whether he should get awarded the Peace Prize.)

Blogger Chris Lutz December 21, 2017 6:48 AM  

I love how the author terms the dropping revenue a glitch. It is like he thinks there is some manner of mechanical or software failure causing the low numbers.

My guess is there are a few reasons for the subpar performance:
1. TFA was a nostalgia film. It was everyone's chance to see Star Wars again. A lot of those people aren't up for a string of SW films.
2. TFA wasn't awful but it was boring. Now for the second film you have people deciding that they'll wait for the word of mouth before deciding to see the next one and the word of mouth is mediocre to bad.
3. SJW turned up to 11. The funny thing is the Poe went from this great character (I don't think so but a lot of people did) to a bumbling fool. It's like the pokemon diversity point requirements were raised and he didn't make the cut. Now he's simply another man. Finn is going to have to go homo by the next film.
4. It's simply not a good movie.

Blogger Sam Spade December 21, 2017 6:49 AM  

@15 ”I want to know how SJws all knew to support this turd. One of them bagged my groceries yesterday (he became despondent quickly when everyone else there started shitting on it) and I assume he wasn't on the secret mailing list. So what is the signal his moral antenna was picking up that said "this operation must succeed". You don't see that kind of perfect, distributed message discipline on the right. How do they communicate?"

It's on the movie themes and characters. Nihilism, destruction of values and tradition, and spoiled mythic characters speak and inspire them like heroism, hope, courage, determination do with normal people's souls.

It's a cultural war and most people is in one side or another. Not everybody has chosen it conciously or are soldiers. SJWs on the media surely are fighting.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 6:50 AM  

Number to watch for is this weekend's drop. If it's greater than 65%, that's a massive disaster, as it means this has no staying power. The Force Awakens only dropped 40% in that weekend. Thus the key number is $77 Million USD. If it doesn't make that, we'll have an answer that ruining Luke Skywalker was a ~1 Billion USD mistake.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 21, 2017 6:51 AM  

A Star Wars fan will go see any Star Wars movie once for the visuals. After that they may see it a second time but will now be paying more attention to the story and characters.

Episode 4,5 and 6 - Good Visuals, Good Story and Characters if formulaic. But it was a good formula. Ewoks sucked but made it easier to get girlfriend to see movie.

Episode 1,2 and 3 - Good Visuals, Good Story (Weak Execution), Characters starting to fall flat. Hollywood doesn't do fall from grace very gracefully.

Episodes Disney - Good Visuals (but nothing special), As for the rest... 'Help us Darth Jar Jar, you are our only hope.'

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 6:52 AM  

Just think they have barely breached beyond the old PC levels toward true SJW territory, and it's already turned normies and cult followers way down.

It will be so disappointing to Disney, as there was so much more Left to teach the population, and their number one franchise is not quite working as well as hoped. Sigh?!

Blogger JC December 21, 2017 6:54 AM  

This is the first one I just didn't see. I wanted to leave in the middle of TFA and I said Rogue One would be the last one I gave a chance and saw it with friends. I think with Star Wars it goes, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me four more times after that, shame on me.

I am not giving Disney a cent in the future if I can help it. Given how far its tentacles are spread, that may be hard but I can definitely avoid supporting garbage like this and by now, we all should. I told some friends as much straight out when I was invited to see this.

Although I have been enjoying the hilarious reviews and I think the latest Half In The Bag by RedLetterMedia has been the most entertaining.

Starve the beast, fellas.

Blogger Chris Lutz December 21, 2017 6:55 AM  

One other reason, over saturation with commercial tie-ins. There's a limit to how many commercials the majority of people want to see that have SW themes in them. The number with white boys in them is close to zero.

OpenID crapulux December 21, 2017 6:56 AM  

Watched The Last Snowflake 2 days ago with friends. We're French. I'm the only one in the group to be SJW-aware and red pilled.

Buddy didn't like the movie much, found the plot to be sorely lacking, and didn't miss the irony of Disney lecturing us on capitalism.

His GF, on the other hand, liked it.

I have read porno fanfics with much better storylines, ffs.

For a while, I had trouble deciding how exactly this movie made me feel. It wasn't just bad. A movie this bad would be funny, and then it would be quickly forgotten.

This one however was simply disgusting. This is not Star Wars. This is a malevolent creature which killed Star Wars, gutted it, and is now parading wearing its skin as a trophy.

The entire movie, every single detail in it, matches Vox's theory of SJW perfectly. When Admiral Gender Studies entered the frame I was "OH SH-- here comes the purple haired death". The characters also match the socio sexual hierarchy, especially Kylo. This film feels like it was written by self-hating marxist crazies who have no clue how humans work. All the characters were written either by gammas, feminists, or most likely both.

Ironically, Admiral Gender Studies is the true villain, by virtue of her hubris and incompetence.

To these SJW writers, the original movies and characters create a high standard of quality that they cannot measure up to. It is oppressive. The old movies are "the patriarchy" and anyone who likes them is an enemy. Thus they take sadistic pleasure in not only destroying everything (Han, Luke, Ackbar...) but they do it in the most vile way possible. Luke does not just die, he betrays everything he stands for and dies a spineless coward. This film oozes hatred and spits space walrus juice in the face of the viewer.

It was disgusting. To be honest, after about twenty minutes I was rooting for the First Order. Why didn't they mount more pew-pew guns on that dreadnought, goddammit? Why didn't they think about missiles? Just kill them all already, end the suffering! Argh.

I now understand why Mark Hamill looks like he's gonna be sick in every interview he gives.

Blogger YIH December 21, 2017 6:58 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=last+jedi+sucks
About 29,200 results
An even 3,000 more since the last time I checked.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 6:58 AM  

I will probably go see this once on a discount day for the Lutz. Need a few laffs. Discount days here are about the same as a rental.

Blogger Sam Spade December 21, 2017 6:59 AM  

@15 I would go further and say that some people are inspired and turned on by evil. This movie is evil, it destroys good values the old movies had, and lie about its characters and deform them.

TLJ Luke is not real Luke, it doesn't matter Disney have the franchise copyright. This movie is not more canon than a fake American is a real American because he possess ID card and citizenship given to him by burocracy.

Blogger Chris Lutz December 21, 2017 6:59 AM  

The books that tie into the movies sound like utter trash. At least one has the 1984 type pronouns.

Blogger Rick December 21, 2017 7:01 AM  

A better title for this post:
Star Wars is the new Hillary

Anonymous basementhomebrewer December 21, 2017 7:06 AM  

Chris Lutz wrote:Finn is going to have to go homo by the next film.

Heh! You think he is just going to go homo? It's gonna be worse than that. Either it's going to turn out that Sumo Janitor is a Man who transitioned to be a woman or Fin is going to transition to being a woman while still dating Sumo Janitor.

Blogger William Meisheid December 21, 2017 7:07 AM  

Aeoli wrote:I want to know how SJws all knew to support this turd...You don't see that kind of perfect, distributed message discipline on the right. How do they communicate?
One of the important lessons I learned from Francis Schafer was that worldview alone is enough to drive action that can appear conspiratorial. You don't need active communication because a lot of decisions people make are guided by their worldview to the point that the actions appear coordinated. They are, but on a fundamental decision process level, not a coordinated communication level.

Blogger John Bradley December 21, 2017 7:16 AM  

FWIW, Sargon's synopsis and brutal mocking of the film were top-notch. For those who haven't seen the film yet (or ever will), it's more stupid, ham-fisted, and evil than you may have already thought.

https://youtu.be/LPsRp7uUXUk

Anonymous GenericViews December 21, 2017 7:17 AM  

I'm sure Trump had something to do with it.

Anonymous Steve December 21, 2017 7:22 AM  

If you loved it in your youth, mourn it as you must

The prequels already did that for me.

I was a huge fan of the original trilogy when I was little, for a variety of reasons Darth Vader was my foremost childhood role model. (Mister T. came a close second). I sort of sympathise with Kylo Ren being a Vader fanboy, he was just so damn cool and could choke people remotely and doesn't afraid of nothing.

By the time the prequels came out I was more interested in activities such as doing the sex to the womens, but gamely turned out to see Lucas' CGI Jackson Pollock homages.

I dunno why everyone picked on Jar Jar, he was just annoying. What was worse was Rentboy from TRAINSPOTTING's bad Alec Guinness impression, the bizarre, autistic Padme-Mullet 'romance', and the overall feeling I was watching a demo for a new graphics card.

I wanted to like THE FORCE AWAKENS, but had no emotional investment in it. And it was... okay. Like the STAR TREK reboot picture, it was serviceable if unsatisfying, but looked like a reasonable foundation to build a new series of movies on - providing they could find interesting ways to develop the new characters.

Like STAR TREK, those glimmers of promise appear in retrospect to have been the last dying embers of creativity or interest in what is now a zombie franchise. A big, dumb, lumbering beast held together by marketing voodoo and an insatiable hunger for money and not much else.

What's most surprising to me is how lame the writing is. Hollywood has some of the most talented entertainers on the planet working for it, but the best they could do with STAR TREK was an insultingly stupid remake of WRATH, and TLJ appears to be some sort of off-putting taxidermied mashup of EMPIRE and RETURN, but with all the good parts scooped out.

Anonymous Ain December 21, 2017 7:27 AM  

What a lot of people mistake for incompetence is intentional. This wasn't a money-grab, it was an assault. It's mass programming / mind control, labeled as propaganda to take the sting out of it. People generally know that propaganda is lies, but what they don't know is how it's been highly refined to a science and easily influences people that aren't actively shielding themselves against it.

In his review, Stefan Molyneux pointed out that Luke represented men checking out of the culture, and women begging him to return, as will happen if harsher cultures get the upper hand in the west. He suggested it may have been unintentional on the part of the writers but it is there. I suggest that he shined a blazing spotlight on what was meant to be a subliminal message, and, yes, of course they know it is there -- it is its Raison d'être.

Anonymous Ain December 21, 2017 7:28 AM  

What a lot of people mistake for incompetence is intentional. This wasn't a money-grab, it was an assault. It's mass programming / mind control, labeled as propaganda to take the sting out of it. People generally know that propaganda is lies, but what they don't know is how it's been highly refined to a science and easily influences people that aren't actively shielding themselves against it.

In his review, Stefan Molyneux pointed out that Luke represented men checking out of the culture, and women begging him to return, as will happen if harsher cultures get the upper hand in the west. He suggested it may have been unintentional on the part of the writers but it is there. I suggest that he shined a blazing spotlight on what was meant to be a subliminal message, and, yes, of course they know it is there -- it is its Raison d'être.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 21, 2017 7:39 AM  

This guy did an awesome takedown of TFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg29Sa6QFes

Can't wait for his takedown of TLJ

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 21, 2017 7:40 AM  

I can sympathize with Rian Johnson on one point. He was handed a JJ Abrams mess that he had to clean up.

Making Rey's parents nobodies is about the only thing you can do with that little Mystery Box. Thanks to George Lucas' little foibles there is only one women in Star Wars that could have been Rey's mother. And Leia clearly wasn't her it. A lost daughter of Han and Leia would have rated a mention.

That said, the story telling was nothing short of incompetent. Rian Johnson is a TV writer who was in over his head. And that incompetence should have been spotted in the dailies.


The problems that Star Wars is having now can be laid at the feet of one person, Kathleen Kennedy. She is simply not a story teller. She has zero writing credits on IMDB. Kennedy is not a creative artist

Clearly an excellent orgainizer and a Hollywood ballbuster but her incompetence in being able to spot a good story was always masked by the fact that she worked for Speilberg for most of her life.

The endless reshoots that are going on with Solo right now are highly indicative of a boss that doesn't know good from shit.

Even the concept of a Han Solo bio-pic is a terrible one, since the audience knows that he ended his days as a broken down petty criminal who was murdered by his only son.

Kennedy can get away this so long as Star Wars continues to make boxoffice billions. The big question now is, will it.

Merry LifeDay!

Anonymous JAG December 21, 2017 7:48 AM  

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/12/petition-star-wars-last-jedi-remove-canon-signatures-1201909099/

While I sympathize with the geeks, Disney would just produce another, even more converged Episode VIII.

Anonymous SAK December 21, 2017 7:49 AM  

Star Wars used to be a unique pop culture phenomenon with endless appeal to young boys.

Looking at IMDB user scores by sex and age ANH and ESB get the highest scores from males < 18.

Then, with Ewok Wars we get the young girls scoring it highest, if only by a small margin. And for every film since then it has been young girls giving the best scores.

Maybe its jut selection bias, only fanatics amongst the little girls bothering with it, but I was still surprised when I saw it.

Blogger Francis The Pope December 21, 2017 8:02 AM  

Beyond the SJW issue there are some big problems with the plot between this movie and previous one. Things like suddenly removing Snoke as the big bad (and never explaining who he was), the problem of flying to a Casino planet and back again to a ship that is being pursued the whole time, removed the knights of Ren, the New Order from becoming a remnant of the Empire to suddenly ruling the galaxy, basically threw away all the mystery of who the parents of Rey were (a bit of SJW, but still is a big change from the previous movie). Star Wars has had some plot holes, but in this movie doesn't even seem to care that it is destroying canon, this is also why generally non SJW types like Pewdiepie or Angryjoe have lambasted this movie.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 8:04 AM  

Credit to Sargon: "Vice Admiral Gender Studies" is pretty good.

Blogger RofflesLowell December 21, 2017 8:06 AM  

Please remember how deep in the hole Disney put itself to spend the billions to buy the rights ti Star Wars in the first place. Look at what TFA; R1; TLJ reportedly cost to make. Estimate how much was spent to advertise these films; that's not in the budget total. (Factor in the news media bribes.) Now, when you look at those films' reported earnings, remember to divide that number by roughly half, since they don't adjust the totals to account for the theaters' share of the ticket price.

How much longer til the Franchise is profitable?

Blogger Longtime Lurker December 21, 2017 8:21 AM  

SJWs in Space. What a blockbuster concept!

Anonymous Avalanche December 21, 2017 8:41 AM  

@33 "A better title for this post:
Star Wars is the new Hillary"

Uh, you left off the subtitle:

"Star Wars is the new Hillary: What went Wrong"

Anonymous Avalanche December 21, 2017 8:44 AM  

@35 "You don't need active communication because a lot of decisions people make are guided by their worldview to the point that the actions appear coordinated. They are, but on a fundamental decision process level, not a coordinated communication level."

They're lemmings and "it's migrate time"! Just like the temperature (or moon, or magnetism or whatever) signals lemmings to go (or birds and Monarch butterflies to fly South); so a release of something "famous" starts an SJW migration to the theater...

Blogger Electron.nick December 21, 2017 8:52 AM  

Another good critique.

https://youtu.be/R0QPCS4a84k

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan December 21, 2017 8:52 AM  

The movie was just one rip off after another. Of course the entire movie was a "callback" to the original movies, particularly Empire. But other sci-fi fantasy story-lines were fair game too. The entire casino scene was a rip-off of the Matrix Reloaded search for The Merovingian. I noticed another little copy + paste.

Star Trek: First Contact... Picard going bonkers blasting away at an already dead Borg.

(Lily smashes the henchman over the head with an ice bucket. Picard takes a tommy gun out of the case and blasts the two Borg, then raises the gun to smash down on one)
LILY: I think you got 'em. ...I don't get it. I thought you said this was all just a bunch of holograms. If it was just a hologram...
PICARD: I disengaged the safety protocols. Without them even a holographic bullet can kill.

-------------------------------------------------------

Kylo spazzing out over seeing hologram Luke...

[upon seeing Luke]
Kylo Ren: I want every gun we have to fire on that man. Do it.
[the AT-ATs fire a barrage of lasers at Luke]
Kylo Ren: More!... More!
General Hux: That's enough. That's enough!
[the firing stops]
General Hux: Do you think you got him?

Both scenes involve holograms/holo-decks. Coincidence? I think not.

Blogger Big Bob December 21, 2017 8:53 AM  

I wasn't planning on seeing TLJ until it showed up on Netflix, but my daughter asked me to go see it with her, so we went last night. I'm with the others that think this one is only mildly better than TFA, but it really isn't all that great. My general feeling is that in the end, I just didn't have any particular feelings one way or the other about it. It just generally left me feeling like nothing much was accomplished by either good or bad, not to mention the fact that it was hard to decide who was good and who was bad. Bleh.

Anonymous Causal Lurker December 21, 2017 8:54 AM  

It's time to pay attention to the collectibles markets. As TFA and TLJ destroy the present and future value of the franchise, what happens to all those trinkets sold for the original trilogy? Collector's items only stay valuable if someone wants to collect them and pay your desired price. This calls for stable assumptions in the marketplace. Disney just broke the Bretton Nebula Accord, threw it on the ground, and stamped on the pieces with high-heeled boots.

My guess is a lot of the collectors (now in their 50s and 60s) will look to sell their original package toys, while there's a market. Sell, before you're old people with a bunch of plastic junk and no money to show for it. Give them about 6-12 months to accept the broken standard, and let the selling begin.

Two things will retain value: original Darth Vader and Chewbacca costumes. Both will be great to show the promise of old, and the entry holes where the SJWs turned them into literal skin suits.

Anonymous Jeigh Di December 21, 2017 8:57 AM  

For me TFA killed Star Wars. The only way I would go see TLJ is if I found out that in the first scene Luke looked at Rey, looked at the light sabre, then activated it and lopped off her head.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 8:59 AM  

@53 Causal Lurker

Almost no one else will get the "Bretton Nebula Accord" joke, but I liked it.

Blogger wreckage December 21, 2017 9:05 AM  

I saw a right wing friend just spewing hate after this movie. And then, to my surprise, a quite left-wing friend did the same.

Conclusion: as with everything else they do, it's not merely SJWism, it's the fact they suck at their jobs.

And then turning Star Wars into Grrl Powah? Look, isn't that market just a teensy weensy bit totally f*ing saturated right now?

And why is it that nobody wants to make a movie little boys will want to see? Why do these revolting excuses for human beings hate little boys? I just... that's so damned low. So damned, miserably, blindly low.

Anonymous szIlk December 21, 2017 9:08 AM  

I am Luke SkyJayWalker and I am here to rescue you......

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III December 21, 2017 9:27 AM  

>I love how the author terms the dropping revenue a glitch.

It IS a glitch in their false reality.

Blogger Unknown December 21, 2017 9:33 AM  

wreckage wrote:And why is it that nobody wants to make a movie little boys will want to see? Why do these revolting excuses for human beings hate little boys? I just... that's so damned low. So damned, miserably, blindly low.

I am currently showing my kids My Hero Academia, a show where the heroes are heroic, the villains are villainous, the heroes are not handed victory on a silver platter but have to work, compete, and sacrifice (in some cases, permanently!) for it, and even when the world opens up and becomes a wee bit more gray, it's still only grey because some of the heroes maybe aren't heroes for the best reasons, but they are still heroes and there are still true heroes in the world.

They beg to watch the next episode at every opportunity. They hunger for this. If I left them to the tender mercies of Hollywood, Hollywood would starve my children's spirits to death.

(This is not the only thing I'm doing, of course. They still have very little idea how much I'm curating their experiences; when they find out, I fully expect them to be grateful, no sarcasm, because I am making sure they get just the best stuff. The oldest is still a couple of years away from reading something at the reading level of the Chronicles of Narnia on their own, but we're getting close... and things really open up then. Daddy knows where the good stuff is.)

Anonymous krymneth December 21, 2017 9:39 AM  

wreckage wrote:And why is it that nobody wants to make a movie little boys will want to see? Why do these revolting excuses for human beings hate little boys? I just... that's so damned low. So damned, miserably, blindly low.

I am currently showing my kids My Hero Academia. It is a show in which the heroes are heroic, and the villains are villainous. The heroes need to work, compete, and sacrifice (at times permanently) in order to do their jobs. Nobody has died yet, but there have been permanent consequences. When the world opens up and becomes a bit more complex, it is still just that some of the heroes may not quite be being heroic for the right reasons, and some of the villains may have a bit of a point, but the heroes are still heroic and the villains still quite villainous, even so. (None of this "total moral inversion" crap where the villains are raised up as heroes and vice versa; even if one of the villains has a point about the heroes being a bit wrong, killing them for it is still clearly evil, and portrayed as such.) Nothing is free, everything is a struggle, and the focus of the series must bring everything he has to bear to survive and win.

My children hunger for this. They beg to watch it at every available opportunity, like no other show I've showed them. If I left it up to Hollywood to feed them, Hollywood would starve my children't spirits unto death, or outright work to crush them.

Bastards.

The oldest is still a year or two away from being able to handle something like the Chronicles of Narnia on his own. I look forward to that; things really open up at that point.

Blogger Johnny December 21, 2017 9:50 AM  

@3 "I don't think it will matter. This movie is making a lot of money by non Star Wars standards,

Disney paid huge bucks for the Star Wars brand and that is what they are losing here.

It only takes one weak component or one bad scene to wreck a movie because you will lose the suspension of disbelief. What killed the Wonderwomen movie for me was the scene where what was apparently a tropical island turned up in the British channel with the White Cliffs of Dover in the background, Nazis invaders and all. I wonder, when they play Star Wars in the Orient, are they actually going to leave in that scene where that oriental character kisses a black? (Oh my if they do.)

@15 ”I want to know how SJws all knew to support this turd.

I think what Disney has accomplished with their marketing is to create the feeling for a lot of people that they should like it. Thus they don't want to admit they didn't. Great marketing, credit where credit is due, but that does not sustain interest.

Blogger Bobiojimbo December 21, 2017 9:54 AM  

For those who want a glimpse into the minds of a SJW and why they might like TLJ, I offer to you Scott Kurtz, creator of PvPonline.com. He just posted his review, and it's insightful.

Blogger JohnofAustria December 21, 2017 9:57 AM  

It's easy, because the plot and characters sucked.

There is no heroic arc, the protagonists are the normal SJW morally-perfect Mary Sues, and they failed to do any basic world-building that ties the current plot to the Return of the Jedi, so it doesn't even make sense related to the fanservice they try to shove in.

Blogger WrenchTurner December 21, 2017 9:58 AM  

I hated the prequels and haven't watched a second of any of the new films.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis December 21, 2017 9:58 AM  

I have you admit that VD and all the others convinced me to not take my family to see it and wait for the bluray.

Anonymous JAMES December 21, 2017 10:02 AM  

I never thought about that Johnny but you're right.

An Asian chick kisses a very, very African looking black dude in this movie.

Speaking as an Aussie who lives in Aisa and works around lots of Asians of a variery of backgrounds that's probably not going to fly out here as well as the Hollywood types think it is

Blogger Nate December 21, 2017 10:03 AM  

Obviously Russian Hackers are... making people not go see Star Wars.

Anonymous Bell Worthington December 21, 2017 10:04 AM  

Clearly, the Russians have hacked the theaters.

Blogger Nate December 21, 2017 10:06 AM  

"'m with the others that think this one is only mildly better than TFA, but it really isn't all that great."

you have to be completely brain dead to think this movie is better than TFA.

Blogger JohnofAustria December 21, 2017 10:10 AM  

The problem with the plot is that we have no idea why things ended up this way, which would be fine if it were a brand new story 200 years later, but it's not. It's immediately after (historically) the downfall of the Empire, which was created by a powerful Dark side user. But why did the New Republic fail? How did they lose governing legitimacy? How did the Empire remnants gain power when their military was eviscerated? Why wasn't Skywalker doing something about this, when it appears a Sith is behind evil rising, the Jedi were supposed to fight against that.

And it really bugs the shit out of me because Timothy Zahn did a fantastic job of addressing all of those questions in the Heir to the Empire trilogy. He showed why the NR would have difficulty governing, and how figuring out the new balance of power could weaken or destroy that. He showed Luke as an active hero making good and difficult choices to shape a new future and learn from the past. He created compelling characters that made you actually root for the Empire in a lot of ways. He humanized the Imperials while showing weakness in the NR without devolving into "everyone is equally bad and no-one is good" shit either. He made the space battles and strategy a real part of the story without getting autistic or too video game about it.

Blogger Big Bob December 21, 2017 10:16 AM  

"you have to be completely brain dead to think this movie is better than TFA."

When I was done watching TFA, I realized I didn't like it by the time I left the theater. It took until the next day before I realized I really didn't like TLJ. Not much of a criteria, but it's the one I'm using...

Blogger Jimmy The Freak December 21, 2017 10:18 AM  

The problem with TLJ is that it is a deconstruction of the Star Wars mythos. By definition, that is not Star Wars. It quite literally is "Not Star Wars".

Blogger Chris Lutz December 21, 2017 10:25 AM  

@61 That is some grade A nihilism there. He wrote the best negative review to date while praising it to the rafters.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 10:29 AM  

@62 JohnofAustria

The thing I'm loving about the SJW Defenses of TLJ is they can't defend the execution & the plot, so they keep spinning circles around those problems, attempting to build something out of them. Star Wars is a "space adventure" conception, so go have another adventure with different characters. This really isn't that hard, but SJWs can't be creative only destructive.

Thematically, "killing" Luke is more than fine, as he'd become a Force Ghost anyway, but you take an iconic hero and give him a fitting exit. What that would have entailed would have been an epic display of Force Powers, ending with something reminiscent of Obiwan's "death". (Death for Jedi is a weird subject, haha.)

Killing Snoke is fine, as it allows Kylo to rise to the top, since this is actually his story, but that was your epic Saber fight that didn't happen. Instead, this brilliant strategic Force user goes down by easy. Why? Because SJWs no nothing of the real world.

SJWs can only burn down something another created, though they can make it look pretty. Most of these problems were readily solvable, but you'd have to address the actual context of the supposed universe, as well as the actual actions the characters would take. Though the only way to resolve the problem with the Light side & Dark side is realize it is a false dichotomy, but that would blow up every SJWs' ability to comprehend reality. Can't have that.

@65 JAMES

It won't. It really, really won't. Asians won't, in English, say anything about it, but they'll vote with their feet. We'll see how badly things go in China in a few weeks.

Anonymous fop December 21, 2017 10:29 AM  

And now to salt the earth...

#bringbackJarJar

Blogger Chris Lutz December 21, 2017 10:31 AM  

This paragraph encapsulates the review:

The Force doesn’t really care who you are. Nobody is the chosen one. Concepts like Destiny and Mysticism are hubris. Legends are problematic. The cycle of the empire vs the rebellion repeats in the first order vs the resistance and the ideologies of both sides are inherently flawed. It’s a machine. And the only way to be free is not to join. The past must be destroyed. The Jedi must end. We have to stop fighting what we hate and start saving what we love.

Saving what you love usually means battling what you hate.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak December 21, 2017 10:39 AM  

My big problem with the Finn character is that he makes no sense. Setting aside the psychological conditioning implied in stormtrooper training, the guy was a janitor for The First Order. What the hell was he doing carrying a blaster on a mission on Jakku (or however you spell it.)?

Blogger JohnofAustria December 21, 2017 10:48 AM  

The other problem is the characters. None of them are people, they're based on the leftoid theory of blank-slate people, with the gamma trait of all "heroes" are morally perfect and hyper-competent at whatever the maguffin skill is. None have obvious personal flaws, or develop morally. They aren't people, they're the embodiment of whatever post-modern virtue the writer meant them to show.

Anonymous Jamsco December 21, 2017 10:48 AM  

"And it has major plot developments for “Star Wars” fans."

But the plot developments are annoying and random.

Say what you will about the prequels, they knew where they were heading overall plot-wise, and the fans appreciated it.

TFA set up the fans to think, "Okay, interesting. I wonder where they are going with this."

And now with TLJ, with it's directionless meanderings, which are often at odds with what we know about the SW universe, the fans are thinking, "Oh, the producers didn't know either."

Blogger JohnofAustria December 21, 2017 10:59 AM  

@Looking Glass, mostly agree, which is why it's so fun to go after the plot. It's obviously pointless, so you can simply ask them why we should care.

The real issue is that they can't, because Star Wars *isn't* an adventure, it's an opera (or rather based on one by an amateur). Operas depend on archetypes, on the fundamental nature of those archetypes and the world necessitating conflict and resolution. None of the new characters are any kind of archetype, except for Kylo Ren (in limited ways).

It's why none of the new ones stand out. You can't plausibly name a particular real human trait for each of them that informs their actions and the audience's understanding of them. Because the cult of critical thought doesn't believe in those, we're all malleable tools for them. So instead of bravery we get virtue signaling, instead of greed there's magical moral superiority, and instead of hope and curiosity, snark and inherent perfection.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 21, 2017 11:11 AM  

They did a remake of SUCKER PUNCH, called it STAR WARS, and expected to make billions.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti December 21, 2017 11:16 AM  

My big problem with the Finn character is that he makes no sense. Setting aside the psychological conditioning implied in stormtrooper training, the guy was a janitor for The First Order. What the hell was he doing carrying a blaster on a mission on Jakku (or however you spell it.)?

It's worse than that. How the hell does a reject janitor Stormtrooper know every single detail about the operations and command of a Star Destroyer, down to the timing of its computer cycles?

The scene where he bonds with the fat ugly hapa over their shared, detailed knowledge of the Imperial Navy was the moment I began totally hating the film.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 21, 2017 11:19 AM  

Kilo so easily killing Smoke was stolen straight from The Defenders where Elektra easily kills Alexandra after the head of The Hand was built up to be such a badass even Madam Gao Fed the pigeons for her. SJWs can only copy paste.

Anonymous Roundtine December 21, 2017 11:20 AM  

The problem with TLJ is that it is a deconstruction of the Star Wars mythos. By definition, that is not Star Wars. It quite literally is "Not Star Wars".

"Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you were meant to be."

Cultural Revolutions suck, even when it's a Star Wars movie. They could have rebooted the franchise in a totally new direction. Instead, they brought back the old universe and then killed them off. It'd be like getting a new director for the Fast & Furious franchise, and he kills off the entire cast with household accidents a la Final Destination, replacing them with actors such as Helen Mirren, Cate Blanchett, Colin Firth, Gary Oldman, tosses in Bruce Willis, James Woods and Peter Weller, and has them infiltrate a Florida nursing home whose residents are running a major carjacking ring and exporting stolen cars to Asia. "Murder She Wrote at 85 MPH."

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 21, 2017 11:21 AM  

Darth. Don't call our gender swapped Porkins a fat ugly haha. Be a gentleman.

Blogger Azimus December 21, 2017 11:23 AM  

All this means is the SJW's got their poison in the well. I'm glad people see that, but it's a ton of work to dig a new well... such a pity it couldn't have been protected. But you know, $$$$ talks...

Anonymous Roundtine December 21, 2017 11:26 AM  

Why does everyone keep calling her a hapa? She's full Vietnamese.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 21, 2017 11:26 AM  

Under the New Republic Luke was being savaged in the Press as a Sith because he wouldn't allow diversity in his Jedi Academy by allowing the non force sensitive in too.

After several false accusations of sexual harassment he just said fuck you all and let the First Order arise.

Anonymous Roundtine December 21, 2017 11:27 AM  

All this means is the SJW's got their poison in the well. I'm glad people see that, but it's a ton of work to dig a new well...

Disney problems.

Blogger OGRE December 21, 2017 11:27 AM  

@61 Is that fatass still writing comic strips? I used to read those way back when, like early 2000s, when he wrote about gaming culture. But he quickly strayed far off field and it all turned into a boring mess. Not as bad as Sinfest did, but pretty close.

Why do comic strip writers of all people, with little to no real life experiences, think they are in a position to moralize? Its one thing for Bill Watteson or Charles Schultz to wax philosophical--they have the gravitas to do so and the subtlety to pull it off without being hamfisted. But these webcomic guys are basically children with MSPaint who consider their shower thoughts to be as profoundly insightful as the works of Wittgenstein or Descartes.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 21, 2017 11:28 AM  

Vietnamese are just a legend in a galaxy far far away.

Blogger tublecane December 21, 2017 11:29 AM  

@39-You'd think the programming and mind control would work better of people were actually entertained. Then they could keep going back, and receive more programming.

So it's still a matter of incompetence.

Blogger OGRE December 21, 2017 11:30 AM  

One thing thats coming from this TLJ mess is that a lot of people are getting suddenly and violently Red Pilled (whatever the fuck that even means). More like Red Suppositoried.

Anonymous Roundtine December 21, 2017 11:31 AM  

Since "the Force" thwarted Vader and then Luke's goal of wiping out the Jede, the new goal is to merge the Jedi and Sith lines with a sexual union. This is all a eugenics story. Kylo Ren and Rey will birth Ken Rylo. He will go on to found the planet Rylos. Then comes the ultimate crossover as The Last Starfighter is rebooted.

Anonymous Roundtine December 21, 2017 11:33 AM  

Vietnamese are just a legend in a galaxy far far away.

Vietnamese are getting hollywood jobs left and right these days. They go into interviews and say over and over. "Yah, I Tran. I Tran. Yeah, I tran. You want Tran? I Tran."

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 11:34 AM  

@79 JohnofAustria

I've never quite been of the opinion that Star Wars is a real "Space Opera", so that's just something we'll have to disagree on. Obviously, Empire ret-conned certain aspects of A New Hope, which does go to your point. Especially with Vader standing over Luke in what is practically an Opera view.

I call Star Wars an "adventure" because that's what made it so popular. Much the same with Indiana Jones. The "Star Wars", the first movie, is nearly as much of a space-based Pirate movie as anything else. Star Wars works when you get a sprawling adventure, not when you're trying to moralize to the audience.

Though I do love when the reviewers go with "bold choices!". Really? In SJW-era, making all Men generally incompetent and Women as leaders is "bold"? All of the decisions made aren't bold, they're safe & pathetic. That's the problem.

A real bold choice would have been to bring in Anakin Skywalker in Force Ghost form. Kylo vs Anakin interactions *could* be amazing, but only in the hands of people with a clue how humans work.

Blogger Conor Foran December 21, 2017 11:40 AM  

@91 tublecane It's not incompetence. It's evil. Evil gradually destroy's one's ability to recognize truth and beauty; for evil is rejection of the Good, and all the transcendentals - truth, beauty, goodness - are ultimately convertible.

TLDR SJW makes you ugly and stupid.

Blogger JohnofAustria December 21, 2017 11:44 AM  

@Looking Glass, hey defying reality and all of human history is pretty bold, if by bold you mean stupid.

Blogger tublecane December 21, 2017 11:52 AM  

@45-"from becoming a remnant of the empire to suddenly ruling the galaxy"

The previous movie was schizophrenic on this point. They wanted to remake the original Star Wars, or at least have it feel like an old-fashioned Star Wars movie. Which means having the good guys be the underdogs. But they couldn't have a restored Empire or a new evil imperial power in charge, because that would diminish the importance of the rebellion's success in the previous films.

So they concocted a neo-nazi terror group that has a biggerer Death Star, for some reason. And they simply didn't talk about the political context of the rebellion-like force opposing it.

Making the New Order(I like their song True Faith)'s power official both makes sense and doesn't make sense, but that can be blamed on the fact that the entire new trilogy is poorly conceived. Mostly because they feared above all releasing another Phantom Menace.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 11:52 AM  

@80 Skyler the Weird

I'm not sure if that's an insult to Sucker Punch or The Last Jedi.


@97 JohnofAustria

Really bold would have been to bring back in the Christian thematic elements to a hard Good/Bad dichotomy, but that's clearly beyond the skill of any of the writing staff they put on these.

The funnier part is they actually did see the "problem" with the Jedi vs Sith and the nature of the Force. Something that's been commented on during the entirety of the Expanded Universe. The only way to resolve that is that the Force has no moral character, but that suddenly becomes a very radical conception to the SJWs. Something they probably can't accept. Which is why they can't resolve the problem.

Some great visual skills, but such small minded people.

Anonymous AzDesrtRat December 21, 2017 11:57 AM  

A personal observation about the new merchandise, it isn't moving. Between my son and my nephews we have 4 boys in the family under the age of 10 that are all into the original trilogy. They could care less about any of the new characters/movies. It is all Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker and TIE fighters and X-Wings with them.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 21, 2017 12:00 PM  

Where are we in the Star Wars galaxy at the end of The Last Jedi? All the old heroes are dead now, except Princess Leia, but Carrie Fisher died. Just great.

If you don’t know where we are in that galaxy, you are not alone, because none of the new characters know either. Nor do they seem to care, either. Ready for a new chapter with Rey and Kylo? Well they themselves seem lukewarm to the idea.

The prequels were horrid, but they didn’t kill the franchise off for me. Always had hope (never realized) that they could turn the next one around.

The Last Jedi is an abomination. It’s an insult to me. I’m done. I cannot believe they have managed to make something worse than the prequels, but they have. That train I climbed on as a boy in 1976? I am getting off.

Goodbye, Jedis. I am going with Luke.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 21, 2017 12:05 PM  

Really? I get consistently told TFA is better. I hate both, but agree with the consensus of my peers that TFA is the least worst.

@9 SAK
Be that as it may, I hated it and have never seen, nor will ever see, the other two DisneyWars. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why TFA did relatively better: people like me checking it out to see if it sucked.

OpenID dreadilkzee December 21, 2017 12:06 PM  

In order of Fan Views:

Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - Critics: 94% Fans: 97%
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) - Critics: 93% Fans: 96%
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) - Critics: 80% Fans: 94%
Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) - Critics: 93% Fans: 88%
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - Critics: 85% Fans: 87%
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) - Critics: 79% Fans: 65%
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) - Critics: 55% Fans: 59%
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) - Critics: 66% Fans: 57%
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017) - Critics: 92% Fans 54%

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When you cannot even do better than Attack of the Clones.. well you suck.
As my son said:
"This is the only theater movie I ever fell asleep in."

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Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 12:10 PM  

@101 a deplorable rubberducky

The Prequels were done in by Lucas' inability to get a good performance out of actors and some sloppy editing. Somehow Lucas managed to get the most wooden performances out of everyone but Palpatine, but that makes sense as he was just playing the old character. The fact he made Terence Stamp & Brian Blessed seem dull is its own special feat.

As for the original trilogy, Star Wars is the best watching experience, Empire is the best technical movie and Return of the Jedi is a great kids flick. (Ewoks are fun as a kid.) This is a case of "back in my day..." being objectively better.

Blogger tublecane December 21, 2017 12:25 PM  

@99-I don't know about "expanded universe" Force Studies. But in the movies the morals are fairly straightforward. There's a Light Side of the force and a Dark Side. The Light Side is good, and the Dark Side is bad. We want the Light Side to win, as that would bring "balance" to the force, or whatever.

If I stopped to think about it for more than a minute, I would probably find contradictions and holes in the philosophy. But it's not meant to be looked at like philosophy, much less an actual religion. It's a dramatic device, and one that at least used to work well in its original form.

Anonymous raptor disrespect from behind December 21, 2017 12:36 PM  

Eh, my comment didn't go through, but even the guests on NPR's 1A realized it was a turd, rating it 2.5-3 stars.

They didn't make any criticisms of the SJW issues, rather it was that 2/3rds of the plotlines were uninteresting, didn't care for how they dealt with characters from the original triology, went on too long and didn't world build much.

OpenID leukosfash December 21, 2017 1:01 PM  

Am I the only one that thinks "Jar Jar Chinks" sums it up perfectly?

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 21, 2017 1:41 PM  

Aeoli wrote:I want to know how SJws all knew to support this turd. One of them bagged my groceries yesterday (he became despondent quickly when everyone else there started shitting on it) and I assume he wasn't on the secret mailing list. So what is the signal his moral antenna was picking up that said "this operation must succeed". You don't see that kind of perfect, distributed message discipline on the right. How do they communicate?

Well, it's not like they need numbers stations or anything, since they mostly control the mass media.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti December 21, 2017 3:15 PM  

Why does everyone keep calling her a hapa? She's full Vietnamese.

My mistake, I will make sure to refer to her as "the fat ugly gook" in the future

Anonymous Admiral Fubar December 21, 2017 3:46 PM  

Fans can't deflect PC of that magnitude!

Adm. Fubar

Anonymous Albert December 21, 2017 4:27 PM  

I am _not_ a terribly adept label-maker, but I've managed to trigger quite a few people today by calling it The Lame Jedi (alongside The Farce Awakens for #7) in honor and recognition of Luke guzzling space-walrus secretions.

Dunno if anyone thinks it's worth adopting, but feel free.

Anonymous Roundtine December 21, 2017 10:33 PM  

My mistake, I will make sure to refer to her as "the fat ugly gook" in the future

We must always strive for accuracy. Truth is our ally.

Blogger ChangYeeFong December 22, 2017 2:28 AM  

This has gotta hurt.

Jumanji beat Last Jedi last weekend in Malaysian Cinema's. Best part it wasn't officially out yet.

http://says.com/my/entertainment/jumanji-welcome-to-the-jungle-has-already-made-rm11-5-million-in-malaysia

Anonymous trev006 December 22, 2017 10:15 AM  

More then $20 million behind domestic performance for TFA on Day 6. $278 million total vs $363 million overall at Day 6.

I don't care how converged Disney is, execs are going to be measured for nooses. Doing worse than Rogue One is plausible now: the gap between RO and TLJ is smaller than the gap between TLJ and TFA. I think TLJ might top $600 million domestically: it is clear pessimism is the stronger stance.

OpenID gregq December 22, 2017 12:57 PM  

1: For those following along at home, here's where you can see numbers:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars8.htm

2: This thing is doing so bad, it's down to "first Monday in January" numbers, on the Wednesday before Christmas. Here's "The Mary Sue Awakens" numbers, for comparison: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars7.htm

3: On the first day, it beat Rouge One (misspelling intentional) by 47%. Wed it beat it by less than 13%

4: The Mary Sue Awakens was my last Star Wars movie. I guess I'm not a real Star Wars fan, since I never saw anyone of them in the theaters more than once. But I'd like to congratulate Disney on the money it's saving me by making sure I don't see them even that amount

Blogger Unknown December 22, 2017 1:37 PM  

went saw the movie with my siblings, it was what I expected and then some. the two who had high expectations, are no longer really interested in the franchise, as it killed off the essence of the franchise, Dark Side vs Jedi. I'm sure replacing it with a terminal dosage of social justice didn't help either.

Though, There was quite a drop off between episode 1 and 2 in terms of revenue. So what is happening right now with Last Jedi box office doesn't seem quite out of the ordinary. Though, based on my own experience, I would venture to say that this time around will be different then how the first three episodes, because the entire structure of the series has been changed.


Anonymous trev006 December 23, 2017 12:14 PM  

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars8.htm

Good night Irene. Half the revenue from TFA on the second comparable Friday. A massive 75% drop from opening night, way worse than what TFA felt.

It hasn't "killed" Star Wars, but a $600 million domestic box office is starting to look generous. Hundreds of millions, maybe a full billion, flushed down the toilet, unless the Chinese really dig Afro-Vietnamese love. Hemorrhaging of a formerly rabid nerd base, even after the awful prequels.

It's all over but the crying. I genuinely don't think there is a way back to the same levels of profitability. Panem et circenses doesn't work when the gladiators are delivering a SJW lecture instead of offering decent fights.

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