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Friday, December 15, 2017

The sickness in the SFWA

Believe it or not, the current President of the SFWA is defending the pedophiles and child molesters of her organization and attempting to sweep Moira Greyland's damning bestseller under the rug, probably because they have never expelled its inactive members who are convicted pedophiles or looked into the behavior of its Grand Masters such as Arthur C. Clarke and Samuel Delaney. John Del Arroz has more about the vile behavior of Cat Rambo.
It’s no wonder these people are so obsessed with “harassment policies”. One innocuous off-color joke by a Tor editor several years ago sent all of fandom spiraling and signalling. He was fired and ostracized from conventions after that. But it’s as they say, SJWs always project. The reason they focus so hard on what they call harassment, is they have far darker skeletons in their closets.  They know the actions they and their friends engage in, and so they have a hyper focus on the public appearance, the social element. They witch hunt average men to call harassers, all while on the other hand promoting the most deviant, pornographic lifestyles imaginable. Ironically, my wife, a far more beautiful woman than anyone you’ll see at a sci-fi con, has only had problems with men creeping on her and going over the line twice in her life — both by self-professed male feminist science fiction professionals and at science fiction conventions.

It was no wonder that yesterday, SFWA President Cat Rambo made a vile attempt to downplay Moira’s story of the abuse she suffered at the hands of Marion Zimmer Bradley. To someone like Rambo, MZB’s identity as a feminist and gay icon is far more important than the real human who was hurt. In her capacity at SFWA, Rambo should be championing Moira, a  best seller with a related work in the field — instead, she downplays the relevance in order to make more politically charged and wholly irrelevant attacks on the president. She’ll go so far as to protect the pedophiles in sci-fi that she’ll label anyone concerned over what happened to a real human being “alt-right” in order to dismiss them.


Sick. She refuses to disavow a dead pedophile and deflects. Why? We can only speculate, but from what I’ve observed in Sci-Fi fandom in conjunction with Moira’s story, MZB and Breen are not isolated incidents. The exposure of their story frightens the gatekeepers of the industry who have pushed an agenda of this lifestyle for decades.
Cat Rambo is a complete trainwreck. She makes Stephen Gould look sane by comparison, and Gould actually honored the author of Hogg by naming him an SFWA Grand Master. I have never been so proud to be the first SFWA Life Member to have had the SFWA Board vote for my expulsion. What sane, psychosexually healthy individual would want anything to do with such a deviant-filled degenerate organization?

Twitter was unimpressed.
J_Ishiro‏ @J_Ishiro
The SFWA and World Fantasy are so quick to condemn #hplovecraft's racist opinions, yet won't touch Marion Zimmer Bradley's ACTUAL CRIMES? In her daughter's own words, Bradley was a monster.

An Eclectic Scribe: Richard Paolinelli‏ @ScribesShade
 Actually, just wondering how many more of them are being sheltered by the SFWA now like the one you just referenced. BTW, I never supported either Moore or Trump so your deflection attempt, much like your leadership of @SFWA, seems to be a complete failure.

superversivesf‏ @superversivesf
It is rather telling that you decline to denounce the behaviour of convicted pedophiles and child abusers with "What does it matter at this point?" WTF is wrong with you?

Henry Vogel‏ @HenryVogel_
SFWA Pres, who believes it's more important to dig up a 60-year-old corpse than deal with the 20-year-old one in her organization's basement.

BADKarma‏ @karmalysing
The Fascist Left, where viciously denouncing the victims of pervert abusive pedophiles is "being on the right side of history" if said pedophiles happen to be homosexual and famous.
What's Cat Rambo going to do for an encore, name the corpse of Marion Zimmer Bradley the 2018 Damon Knight Grand Master, then dig her up for the ceremony? If Rambo isn't pressured to resign by the SFWA membership, that will speak absolute volumes about the deviants and pedophiles who are still lurking in their midst.

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Blogger manfred arcane December 15, 2017 1:20 PM  

Lest it be forgotten, many on the far left argue for the normalization of pedophilia. Even those that do not voice it openly, likely support it: that is where their claims of "concept of childhood not existing prior to Victorian age" or clamoring for "discussion" of "child sexuality" lead. So, this goes beyond their defense of their dead lesbian heroine's reputation. I do wonder if it is possible to push them into going full Delany in their openly stated reasons for attacks on this book, rather than trying to steer attention away for it or merely question the veracity of claims made within it.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 15, 2017 1:30 PM  

What do they have to hide? Could it just be that they are reflexively blaming Trump and Moore for something they never did because it's worked so far or is there something darker there?

If Delaney can openly espouse pedophilia what are they willing to hide? We know the answer from 1964 onwards is a whole lot.

Anonymous Reenay December 15, 2017 1:31 PM  

Let this also be an example to tophat-wearing, bowtie-tipping cuckservatives: these are the people you're siding with when your bowtie gets flustered over muh principles.

Imagine if a right-leaning person had said, "The Left, where 40 year-old corpses are more important than [Weinstein, Weiner, Al Franken, etc.] being nasty diddlers."

How many cuckservatives would be calling for that person to be drawn and quartered?

Anonymous mr. dyson December 15, 2017 1:35 PM  

This, THIS is the best they can do? Ye olde Trump Deflection (TM) that has been repeated ad nauseam in the last few months?
Don't know what makes me more angry, that she thinks that this is the right way to deal with her book, or that i know that her deflection will work perfectly well with her followers.

Blogger Stephen Davenport December 15, 2017 1:52 PM  

It amazes me that leftists like this loser Rambo make flat out false states, like "proven pedophile" when in fact its nothing but innuendo. They get away with this shit because there is no consequences for them.

Anonymous DaveInjustice December 15, 2017 1:52 PM  

Just from the picture on her Twitter profile, nothing about her seems like a physically or mentally healthy individual. I've seen people awaiting a kidney transplant with a comparable physique.

Of course when her ilk is people like this lovely ...thing

@pure_impure
No, @moiragreyland, I don't think Tori wants anything to do with your Castalia House word vomit.

Anonymous krymneth December 15, 2017 1:54 PM  

All Cat Rambo really had to do was stay silent.

Instead, Cat Rambo reacts like this is a personal attack.

Why then, Cat Rambo, should I not make the simple inference that you believe this is a personal attack on you and your actions, for the simple reason that it is a personal attack on your actions? What do you know? What have you done?

Anonymous BBGKB December 15, 2017 1:55 PM  

The Fascist Left, where viciously denouncing the victims of pervert abusive pedophiles is "being on the right side of history" if said pedophiles happen to be homosexual and famous.

Anderson Cooper reporting

Lest it be forgotten, many on the far left argue for the normalization of pedophilia.

It amazed me that leftists called Moore a pedo when Ruth Ginsberg advocated sex with younger.

Anonymous Peter B December 15, 2017 1:55 PM  

Cataline had to go and write this:

"Robert Heinlein who had to have known about Walter Breen, wrote to Marion Zimmer Bradley in support.

'The fan nuisance we were subjected to was nothing like as nasty as the horrible things that were done to you two but it was bad enough that we could get nothing else done during the weeks it went on and utterly spoiled what should have been a pleasant, happy winter. But it resulted in a decision which has made our life much pleasanter already…We have cut off all contact with organized fandom.' - Robert Heinlein to his friend Marion Zimmer Bradley

(*Thanks Bob and now I'll never be able to read your books again.*)**"

Oh, well. As my mother used to say, "I don't understand why people think being disillusioned is bad."

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams December 15, 2017 1:56 PM  

Cat Rambo is an embarrassment to decent people everywhere. What a toxic dumpster fire.

Anonymous GunShowTrash December 15, 2017 1:58 PM  

Does anyone in the Science Fiction Writers Association ever talk about science, fiction, or writing? Just asking.

Anonymous e.s. james December 15, 2017 1:59 PM  

Why are you latching onto Hogg so? You know full well that delany wrote some quality SF, in fact I saw praise for his novels like Dhalgren even in comments on castalia blog... Even those who defend Hogg defend it as an act of politically charged transgression, they are fully aware of its lack of literary merit. He basically wrote that novel in his youth, channeling all of his anger and disgust in it.

Blogger tuberman December 15, 2017 2:06 PM  

manfred arcane wrote:Lest it be forgotten, many on the far left argue for the normalization of pedophilia. Even those that do not voice it openly, likely support it: that is where their claims of "concept of childhood not existing prior to Victorian age" or clamoring for "discussion" of "child sexuality" lead. So, this goes beyond their defense of their dead lesbian heroine's reputation. I do wonder if it is possible to push them into going full Delany in their openly stated reasons for attacks on this book, rather than trying to steer attention away for it or merely question the veracity of claims made within it.

This is not a Left vs. Right thing, anymore than it's a "the males are the pedos" thing.

Wait until you find out that the worst monsters are the women (although, not always), and the Right including former leaders, and current Congress and Senators are in these rings to the drowning point.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 15, 2017 2:07 PM  

If they have to denounce one predatory Pagan homo, they have to denounce every predatory Pagan homo, and they have too many friends there.

They also clearly buy MZB's larger view, that homos are actually the "better" people, that normies are the bane of all existence, and therefore it is impossible in their world that sexual predators and abusers/rapists of children could be homo....they must be normie.

We cannot coexist with people who embrace such evil. They know that, which is why they attack us. They know that eventually we'll stop tolerating them, and when that day comes......

Blogger dc.sunsets December 15, 2017 2:12 PM  

Wait until you find out that the worst monsters are the women (although, not always), and the Right including former leaders, and current Congress and Senators are in these rings to the drowning point.

Women sell their children to "gay couples."
Women hand their children to Hollywood's pedos.
Women are more likely than men to murder their own kids.

The depravity of some women is well-understood.

Blogger Desdichado December 15, 2017 2:20 PM  

e.s. james wrote:Why are you latching onto Hogg so? You know full well that delany wrote some quality SF, in fact I saw praise for his novels like Dhalgren even in comments on castalia blog... Even those who defend Hogg defend it as an act of politically charged transgression, they are fully aware of its lack of literary merit. He basically wrote that novel in his youth, channeling all of his anger and disgust in it.
It was published in 1995.

And so you're suggesting that The Mad Man, and Phallos and Equinox are just good, clean, fun science fiction?

You're a liar.

Blogger Matthew December 15, 2017 2:26 PM  

Why are you latching onto the Holocaust so? You know full well that Hitler painted some competent landscapes and architecture.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 15, 2017 2:30 PM  

Cat Rambo and the clownshow over there live for your outrage, but what they greatly fear is being singled out and ostracized by their leftist coalition partners.

How many of you SFWA members have a Kos or DU login or better yet a HuffPo byline?

And does Anderson Cooper have any knowledge of a minor being abused in anyway?

Blogger VD December 15, 2017 2:33 PM  

Why are you latching onto Hogg so? You know full well that delany wrote some quality SF, in fact I saw praise for his novels like Dhalgren even in comments on castalia blog.

I have never said one single positive word about anything that grotesque creature has written. I don't believe he has written "quality SF".

Why are you defending someone who is very likely one of the SFWA pedophiles?

Anonymous Handsome Carl December 15, 2017 2:37 PM  

I just saw Mz. Rambo's picture on wikipedia, and yep she has purple hair.

Anonymous NobodyExpects December 15, 2017 2:39 PM  

About 40% read. I would like to thank VD for editing this revealing piece of fine literature.

It could be an invaluable weapon against Homosexualism.

Blogger Nakota Publishing December 15, 2017 2:43 PM  

This is beyond outrage, to mock the actual victim of a convicted pedophile, a sicko who actually violated his own daughter. Imagine what these same SJW's would say if a right-winger like myself tweeted #GetOverItSnowflake to one of these boo-hooing hand-wringing victims of some alpha male's "sexist" remarks. They'd hang me out to dry. SJW's are not crazy, they're disgusting!

Anonymous Gordon December 15, 2017 2:44 PM  

Reading through the Breendoggle wiki page, it seems very clear that Walter Breen was a charismatic narcissist and a pedophilic predator who never ever should have been let out of the mental hospital.

Breen was highly controversial even in Berkeley at the time, apparent from the mention of hours of discussion at every meeting, but it is appalling that the leadership just went along with it, accepted it and covered it up. Even Donaho, who exposed Breen, seems ambivalent about doing so.

We also know that fandom afterwards has hardly covered itself in glory by mostly preferring obfuscation and misdirection for all these years. It was and is a sick organization with a far less innocent membership than the casual observer may think.

Blogger VD December 15, 2017 2:51 PM  

Breen was highly controversial even in Berkeley at the time

Bullshit. There were two - TWO - people willing to criticize him openly. I am vastly more "controversial" to SF fandom than Breen ever was. Than Breen STILL is.

Anonymous Gordon December 15, 2017 3:02 PM  

Here's the text whereupon I based that remark:

"And the chain reaction keeps going on. More and more Berkeley fans keep hearing all the gory details and rush in to put in their 2 cents worth. And as the rumors keep trickling out, letters crying "Expel the bastard" keep coming in. At every party or meeting there's one or more hassles about Walter. And the discussions go on for *hours*. Most of us are thoroughly bored and disgusted. Just the other day Alva said, "If I hear the words "Walter Breen" or "WB" just once more, I'll puke. I know exactly what he means.

And nearly every Berkeley fan is irritated or disappointed or annoyed at at least one other Berkeley fan -- and mostly at two or three or four -- because of things said and positions taken in the Breen Boondoggle."

Blogger Werekoala December 15, 2017 3:02 PM  

Cat Rambo? Seriously - CAT RAMBO? Was Richard McLargehuge taken already?

That can't possibly be a real name.

Anonymous Takin' A Look December 15, 2017 3:16 PM  

-OT

"Peter Jackson: Harvey Weinstein told me not to cast Ashley Judd, Mira Sorvino in 'LOTR'"

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/955282001

So.....yes, women who refused to watch Harvey fertilize potted plants were blacklisted,their careers stymied, their names dragged through the mud.

Blogger Zimri December 15, 2017 3:16 PM  

Cat Rambo will have MZB's corpse presiding over the WorldCon panel on necrophilia.

Anonymous mr. dyson December 15, 2017 3:29 PM  

@Peter B.
Yeah. I know that conservative SFF fans tend to idolize Heinlien, but he was the worst kind of extreme sexual libertine whatever his other views might have been. I somehow suspect that he would've defended the guy even he was certain of his guilt.

Blogger Koanic December 15, 2017 3:34 PM  

The rubble, she bounces.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 15, 2017 3:41 PM  

Werekoala @26: "That can't possibly be a real name."

It is, though not her actual birth name (Cat is short for Catherine):

"Cat Rambo was born Catherine Ann Francis"

Rambo is her husband's surname.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 15, 2017 3:47 PM  

Sickness, Evil, and disease thrive in darkness and silence.
Light is being shown. People are speaking up.
That is good.

I was reading through some of these comments about MZB and The Last Closet when The Sound of Silence by Disturbed came on. Rough combination to thoughts and words.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright December 15, 2017 3:49 PM  

@26.

Cat Rambo is female.

Blogger Werekoala December 15, 2017 3:53 PM  

These days, can you really be too sure?

Anonymous Richard Paolinelli December 15, 2017 3:55 PM  

What is odd about all of this is that the tweet I sent to Cat was merely meant to see if she would praise Moira for bravely telling her story and how all of sci-fi/fantasy fandom & artists need to speak out against this kind of evil. (Here's a link to the original tweet: https://twitter.com/ScribesShade/status/941411645154246656)

But instead she went off on a rant against two men that have nothing at all to do with sci-fi/fantasy. I can only assume she chose not to take the high road because she might be aware of others within the SFWA that are just as vile and evil as WB and MZB were.

But seeing all of this play out over the past day, all I can say is that I am glad my application to join the SFWA in 2007 was declined.

One last comment: Bravo to Moira Greyland for having the courage to write her story and share it with the world and bravo to Vox Day and Castalia House for publishing it!

Blogger tuberman December 15, 2017 4:12 PM  

Hey MM,

"And does Anderson Cooper have any knowledge of a minor being abused in anyway?"

Do you have any idea how ironic your Cooper question is? You might! He will make Cat look like a saint in comparison, as there are degrees. Think HRC level hideous.

Blogger Al December 15, 2017 4:14 PM  

So many of (((them))) involved yet again. How much longer will we tolerate (((their))) presence among us?

Blogger Edwin Boyette December 15, 2017 4:15 PM  

This is why endeavors like Castalia House and the associated writers, and Alt Hero are so significant. The degeneracy factory is pumping out stories that want to normalize vile behavior. They want to be the gatekeepers to stories. They should be made ridiculous, exposed as morally perverse and repugnant, and made irrelevant.

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2017 4:16 PM  

> This, THIS is the best they can do? Ye olde Trump Deflection (TM) that has been repeated ad nauseam in the last few months?

Well, that and lying about Moore. Nothing of the kind has been "proven", and she's far more likely to be a pedophile than he is.

> Instead, Cat Rambo reacts like this is a personal attack.

See above.

> Does anyone in the Science Fiction Writers Association ever talk about science, fiction, or writing?

It's been a while.

> You know full well that delany wrote some quality SF,

Actually, both Triton and Dhalgren sucked. He's never written quality SF.

Blogger The Observer December 15, 2017 4:34 PM  

This is why endeavors like Castalia House and the associated writers, and Alt Hero are so significant. The degeneracy factory is pumping out stories that want to normalize vile behavior.

You don't say. The next time someone says DC is so much better than Marvel, show him this:

https://twitter.com/CBR/status/941020396920365056

Anonymous 'setting December 15, 2017 4:35 PM  

I could spend the rest of my life reading KU and never cause the ocean to retreat more than a millimeter. I have no need to read scumbags who make 'great art'. The amount of good and great art and fun tales and other such amusements and enlightenments is vast enough that I can cut out the slimebuckets with no serious problems.

These scum are not indispensable.

Blogger slarrow December 15, 2017 4:40 PM  

You don't say. The next time someone says DC is so much better than Marvel, show him this:

https://twitter.com/CBR/status/941020396920365056


That's Steve level wrongness right there....

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2017 4:47 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:@26.

Cat Rambo is female.



@Jagi

You are certain of that? I mean she does have the whole two XX chromosomes thing right?

Blogger Akulkis December 15, 2017 4:49 PM  

@e.s. James

You're telling us that something like Hogg could have been written by someone other than an absolutely depraved person?

Answer the question.

Blogger roughcoat December 15, 2017 4:59 PM  

WaterBoy wrote:Werekoala @26: "That can't possibly be a real name."

It is, though not her actual birth name (Cat is short for Catherine):

"Cat Rambo was born Catherine Ann Francis"

Rambo is her husband's surname.


Husband, you say? I thought she was a dyke.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 15, 2017 5:06 PM  

Scalzi's "Safe Space" policy ensured that pedos would feel welcome at conventions. Gould lauded a pedo with Grandmaster status. Rambo outdoes them all by silencing a victim.

Social justice demands Rambo be removed by any means necessary.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 15, 2017 5:12 PM  

roughcoat @45: "Husband, you say? I thought she was a dyke."

In her own words:

"It's not the name I was born with; I married a lovely man with the surname and happily adopted it because I liked it better than my much blander maiden name. Cat is short for Catherine."

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2017 5:37 PM  

What's Cat Rambo going to do for an encore, name the corpse of Marion Zimmer Bradley the 2018 Damon Knight Grand Master, then dig her up for the ceremony?

I'd like to think that wasn't a serious possibility but the Second Rule of SJWs is...

Blogger tz December 15, 2017 5:37 PM  

They have a strange idea of Safe Space Opera.
While I regret his passing, I'm glad Jerry Pournelle didn't live to see this.

Schrödinger's Cat Rambo? You can't be certain.
Magnets with iron filings form FeLines, but that's about the only thing attractive. There are no gay magnets.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2017 5:39 PM  

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Blogger tz December 15, 2017 5:48 PM  

It's also in the Foster care system where the social workers don't report sexual abuse from any foster parents. The whole thing is a grooming operation.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2017 5:52 PM  

Here is the thing.

If they DID go ahead and denounce the corpse of Marion Zimmer Bradley they will have to look at their beloved living Grand Master Samuel "Chip" Delany. Who is not only quite gay but has frequently praised the work of NAMBLA and has talked about how beneficial it was for him to be molested by another man when he was ten years old.

Known and convicted boy molester Walter Breen, (the Subject of Moira Greyland's book) said pretty much the same thing about the priest who inducted him into the mysteries of "Greek Love."

For reference...

Here is a picture of Samuel "Chip" Delany.


And here is a picture of Walter Breen,

Anonymous Jeff December 15, 2017 5:58 PM  

If I hear the words "Walter Breen" or "WB" just once more, I'll puke.

WB, you say?

Anonymous Takin' A Look December 15, 2017 6:11 PM  

@Cataline Sergius

I'm debating, thinking....

Burn at the stake, feet first in a slow rpm woodchipper, scaphism...or just a bullet between the eyes to send them to the Lord. Honestly, there is nothing we can do to truly avenge the innocence shattered.

Anonymous JI December 15, 2017 6:17 PM  

I'm wondering how many people have had their attitudes towards love and sex screwed up because as teenagers they'd read sci-fi/fantasy that was written by pedophiles or other sexual deviants. If it ain't Lewis or Tolkien, I think I'll keep the fantasy works away from my kid.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 15, 2017 6:18 PM  

Once you understand who we are dealing with, the depravity of his troops will never shock you again. We’re dealing with Satan.

OpenID markstoval December 15, 2017 6:21 PM  

"We’re dealing with Satan."

Thanks for that. We need to be reminded every once in a while who the real enemy is. (and how strong)

Anonymous Peter B December 15, 2017 6:43 PM  

mr. dyson wrote:@Peter B.

Yeah. I know that conservative SFF fans tend to idolize Heinlien, but he was the worst kind of extreme sexual libertine whatever his other views might have been. I somehow suspect that he would've defended the guy even he was certain of his guilt.


My response has two parts. First, people have used many variations of social organization and different family structures. For example, riffing off of how Tibetan fraternal polyandry promoted survival in a hostile environment makes some sense when you're inventing the society of a marginal moon colony.

Second, I think you're right that RAH probably would have defended Breen regardless.

After reading the Del Rey reissue of Red Planet, I began to think that Heinlein needed his editors in order to turn out the high quality fiction that his juveniles were – and that his later fiction suffered from his being able to throw his weight around and ignore his editors. I probably missed the later more overt perviness because pretty much anything past The Moon is a Harsh Mistress was too bloated to keep me reading.

Cataline's post now has me thinking that the only reason any of his fiction was suitable for kids was his editors.



Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2017 7:01 PM  

@12 e. s. James

And yet Delany was able to write it. Hogg was writing as performance art and it came from somewhere very deep inside him.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2017 7:15 PM  

Peter B wrote:Cataline had to go and write this:

"Robert Heinlein who had to have known about Walter Breen, wrote to Marion Zimmer Bradley in support.

'The fan nuisance we were subjected to was nothing like as nasty as the horrible things that were done to you two but it was bad enough that we could get nothing else done during the weeks it went on and utterly spoiled what should have been a pleasant, happy winter. But it resulted in a decision which has made our life much pleasanter already…We have cut off all contact with organized fandom.' - Robert Heinlein to his friend Marion Zimmer Bradley

(*Thanks Bob and now I'll never be able to read your books again.*)**"

Oh, well. As my mother used to say, "I don't understand why people think being disillusioned is bad."


It gave me no pleasure to write it. You can believe that.

Blogger S1AL December 15, 2017 7:54 PM  

I never understood people who thought Heinlein was a conservative.

But then again, my introduction to him was "Stranger in a Strange Land".

Blogger roughcoat December 15, 2017 7:54 PM  

Heinlein's bizarre treatment of sexuality post-Starship Troopers always bothered me, too. I have several of his books that I just stopped reading partway through and never touched again. Some of the stuff he wrote was weird but not bothersome, since it was obvious spec-fic and dealing with foreign cultures, but I'm checking out if you start acting like incest (for example) is natural and good.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot December 15, 2017 8:03 PM  

This is why I didn't understand why you actually wanted a Hugo award, BTW ...

Recognition, yes, this I get, but at what cost?

Insofar as these people go, I have a term for your consideration as future rhetoric. These sick people within such organisations as the SFWA are activists and lobbyists for changes that would legitimise and legalise their ways of life.

Within these organisations, they are "The Illegals" because they are pushing for changes that would legalise their presently criminal lifestyle.

Sci-fi has been infiltrated by The Illegals, and they are trying to turn their various perversions into laws that allow them to operate with societal approval.

If you want to stop them, you need to do more than simply building a wall: they're already inside.

Blogger VD December 15, 2017 8:17 PM  

This is why I didn't understand why you actually wanted a Hugo award, BTW ...

Why do you think I actually wanted a Hugo Award? I didn't. I never have.

Anonymous Creep Enablers December 15, 2017 8:19 PM  

The Left will happily put up with rapists and pedophiles as long as they are reliably pro-abortion and pro-sodomy.

Watch as dozens of U.S. Senators allow their children to be whispered to, flirted with, sniffed, groped, stroked, and made to feel uncomfortable. Did a single U.S. Senator complain publicly about this inappropriate fondling of their own children?! No.
Did a single U.S. Senator try to protect other children from it? No. It's almost as if they know that they have to "go along to get along" in the sick world they've entered. And the perp knows they have to play ball. He's connected. He's protected.

https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930065838387863552

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot December 15, 2017 8:32 PM  

But what about Chuck, Vox? I think Chuck wants a Hugo. :-)

Blogger Dire Badger December 15, 2017 8:36 PM  

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Blogger Dire Badger December 15, 2017 8:38 PM  

"The Science Fiction writers community will happily put up with rapists and pedophiles as long as they are reliably pro-abortion and pro-sodomy."

Fixed that for ya.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare December 15, 2017 8:45 PM  

They're monsters. It's not even a question, or subject to debate. They are monsters who worship and seek to emulate their monstrous heroes. And the false equivalencies in her comment are magnificently despicable, really. Comparing and equating her actions (refusing to condemn an indisputably proven pedophile and child-rapist who sheltered and enabled another pedophile child-rapist's activities) with the actions of people who decline to accept, on blind faith, the accusations of people who opened their mouths only decades after the alleged incidents, who have been repeatedly caught lying, and who have tampered with the so-called "evidence" they so happily waved about like a trophy. It's simultaneously disgusting, and impressive in its audacity. God help her.

Anonymous Creep Enablers December 15, 2017 8:57 PM  

The Weinstein scandals continue cascading. It now looks like Barack Obama knowingly had a predator working as his Vice President. Obama is like the Andy Lack/Jeff Zucker to Biden's Matt Lauer.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/exclusive-former-joe-biden-secret-service-agent-protect-women-weinstein-level-stuff/

https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930065838387863552

Anonymous AB.Prosper December 15, 2017 8:57 PM  

Takin' A Look wrote:@Cataline Sergius

I'm debating, thinking....

Burn at the stake, feet first in a slow rpm woodchipper, scaphism...or just a bullet between the eyes to send them to the Lord. Honestly, there is nothing we can do to truly avenge the innocence shattered.


I read somewhere Heathen Celts drowned them in a bog slowly and let the victims put a foot on their necks. After this the victims were considered ritually clean

Burning at the stake is also old school though don't let the wood smoke, let the flames get them.

That said tolerating this is more common than it every should be. Some idiot some years ago tried to talk us into allowing a paroled pedophile into a gaming group. There were two particularly strong reactions mine, he's here i'm done with all of you and my friend Zaotchi who said more or less he'd dumpster the guy if he came around

Keep in mind in my state California you have to abuse really young people or actually rape people to end on the list. Ordinary slightly underage stuff is illegal and big trouble but not as issue 9 times of ten outside Yolo county or the something

My buddy and I got the point across and not longer after the deadwood in that group was gone leaving a core. Still dubiously moral but with some standards . Even our resident sex fiend and consequentially sadistic degenerate ex Satanist still had enough morality to stick to people old enough to consent with once technically illegal but fully moral consensual fling with a seventeen year old he luckily skated on

Anonymous Takin' A Look December 15, 2017 11:16 PM  

@AB.Prosper

That was a tl;dr, anyways, hope it all worked out.

Blogger pyrrhus December 15, 2017 11:21 PM  

The completely alarming parts of Moira Greyland's book are 1)the completely casual attitude of parents toward protecting their children in a highly sexualized environment, and 2)the fact that large numbers of people in the Sci-fi and Berkeley communities knew that child rape was being perpetrated and didn't want anyone arrested, not even Walter after he confessed. And I worked 4 years as a caseworker and supervisor in a major child protection department long ago, and saw stuff that would curl your hair....but not this bad or frequent.

Blogger wreckage December 16, 2017 12:05 AM  

Regarding the worst offenders being women, I read some statistics on child abuse comparing traditional, male-male, and female-female partnerships.

The differences were startling, given that I'd assumed aggression would be a key factor and hence, male-male would be worst.

It was actually the best for the sample provided, bizarre as that seems.

Blogger wreckage December 16, 2017 12:08 AM  

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/08/childrens-welfare-sex-families/#_ftn26
It might be linked from here, but the article will be of interest in any case.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 16, 2017 12:32 AM  

What a revolting person, I hope she's soon removed from her post. If I can become a member and vote in this regards I am happy to do so.

It reminds me of when I was 15. A neighbor was over (man in his 50s, supposedly 'dumb who lived with his mother). I was told to keep an eye on him around my little brother. I immediately went to the livingroom, took my brother from his lap and told him to get out of our house. After what amounted to about 10 min of protest my father was finally shammed into telling him he should leave. How pathetic, to risk your child's welbeing over neighborlyness. Unbelievable. He wasn't dumb, he was sly and I could see right through him.

Blogger Thucydides December 16, 2017 12:36 AM  

One can only hope the cascade effect will not just drag down all those *deserving* people in the "fandom" community, but also expose links to other communities and continuing the unravelling process.

I was always surprised after discovering Gamergate that the gaming community was not small, isolated or otherwise disconnected (I guess my "six degrees of separation" never encompassed that group), but now I wonder if a very aggressive "link analysis" could be used to reveal and unravel Progressive networks of power, influence and finance in even the most unlikely places and lead us back to the political and financial networks which are at the heart of it all?

Blogger wreckage December 16, 2017 4:38 AM  

@77 Wish I had the expertise to work on such a project.

Blogger F.D. Stephens December 16, 2017 5:09 AM  

I'd include our host in that short list.

Anonymous daddynichol December 16, 2017 8:09 AM  

Scalzi seems very quiet on the matter for some reason.

Blogger manfred arcane December 16, 2017 10:52 AM  

By the way, it is at least nice to see that this book's Amazon page is free of that particular brand of one-star reviews that tend to accompany controversial Castalia releases. You know the ones. Small part of me want to see display of some basic human decency in that fact, given the subject matter, but I know that it is simply another result of Amazon's recent changes in policy that impacted the fake reviewers.

Blogger James Dixon December 16, 2017 1:44 PM  

> I never understood people who thought Heinlein was a conservative.

Heinlein was only a conservative by the modern standards of liberals.

> It now looks like Barack Obama knowingly had a predator working as his Vice President.

Obama's daughter interned with Weinstein. That should tell you all you need to know.

Blogger Gordon December 16, 2017 5:23 PM  

I am not the Gordon posting in #23 and #25.

Gordon (from MSP)

OpenID widlast December 16, 2017 9:38 PM  

Took a look at that Hogg link. Delaney is a real piece of "work/shit?/I dunno?". His pic says volumes. The reviews were all over the place, but the general gist was that Hogg was a tribute to perversity. I think I need to take a shower after reading that.

Anonymous Gordon December 17, 2017 6:58 AM  

83 - Right, that's me who was just having a look around here. Carry on.

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