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Monday, January 22, 2018

Another oopsie: NSA edition

It's really remarkable how these Federal agencies keep accidentally erasing data that might prove incriminating.
Surveillance data the National Security Agency vowed to preserve related to pending lawsuits has been erased, and the agency did not take several precautions it told a federal court it would take to ensure the data did not get deleted, court filings reveal.

Court orders from 2007 have required the NSA to maintain the data related to certain surveillance efforts that were under scrutiny, after it was revealed President George W. Bush directed warrantless wiretapping among international communications following the 9/11 attacks. The NSA has provided updates to the court regarding how it has followed the orders.

But the NSA informed U.S. District Court Judge Jeffrey White that the agency did not keep content of internet communications seized from 2001 to 2007 under the Bush administration in a filing Thursday night, and in a submission last year, according to Politico. Additionally, the NSA said backup tapes were deleted in 2009, 2011, and 2016.

“The NSA sincerely regrets its failure to prevent the deletion of this data,” NSA’s deputy director of capabilities, referenced as “Elizabeth B.,” said in a declaration filed in the fall. “NSA senior management is fully aware of this failure, and the Agency is committed to taking swift action to respond to the loss of this data.”

Another NSA official revealed on Thursday the data had been erased during a large effort to create more space for new information.
They sincerely regret it. Sure they do. Sure they do. These jokers have absolutely no credibility anymore. I've always known that the US government was as corrupt as the average banana republic, but they used to do a better job of hiding that fact.

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Blogger James Dixon January 22, 2018 1:42 PM  

In other government news, Schumer blinks: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/22/dems-give-shutdown-fight/

I knew it was too good to last. :(

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 22, 2018 1:43 PM  

It's at times like these that I just have to ask why bad things happen to good people.

Anonymous trev006 January 22, 2018 1:55 PM  

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2017/12/rebuke_of_federal_us_attorneys.html

Egregious violations of prosecutorial standards don't have to be intentional for a mistrial to be declared. If the Derp State is very, very lucky, Trump will simply accept their apologies and they'll drop all of their prosecutions.

If they aren't, the President is going to start tearing out scalps. Looking forward to it: like the host says, these people used to be better at hiding their corruption, but grotesque ineptitude is starting to outweigh their low cunning.

Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2018 1:56 PM  

Well, since it was "sincere", all is forgiven...

Blogger Cubby8126 January 22, 2018 2:00 PM  

Nsa director "Trump won the election"
All computer based employees "Alright time to go full clinton."
*musical background playing "just delete it"*

Blogger James Dixon January 22, 2018 2:03 PM  

> Well, since it was "sincere", all is forgiven...

I wonder if I can try that the next time I wind up in traffic court.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 22, 2018 2:05 PM  

President Nixon's Secretary strikes again.

Anonymous johnc January 22, 2018 2:06 PM  

"It's TREASON to criticize the HEROES of the NSA and FBI." -- the new Left

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 22, 2018 2:07 PM  

Another NSA official revealed on Thursday the data had been erased during a large effort to create more space for new information.

You have got to be kidding me. Its bad enough that we have evil overlords, but its humiliating to have incompetent evil overlords. Not that I believe the excuse, its just such an obvious lie.

Blogger tuberman January 22, 2018 2:07 PM  

Yep, Clapper was over DNI, and Brennan over the CIA, with BHO being POTUS during those years with various extreme threats for any who would not go along with their agendas. But apparently (Enough is enough) for now. MI took the lead opposing this stuff, and Admiral Rogers got the majority of the NSA in tow to stop these abuses.

Hey, In 2013 NBC news still had some journalists that were capable of being scandalized by an obvious major Pedo scandal in the DOJ. HRC shut it down. How? She let it be known that the reporters lives would be forfeit if they kept digging. She used obvious, over the top death threats. Pretty common then.

Does the NSA still have such people? Yep.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable January 22, 2018 2:10 PM  

trev006 wrote:http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2017/12/rebuke_of_federal_us_attorneys.html

Egregious violations of prosecutorial standards don't have to be intentional for a mistrial to be declared. If the Derp State is very, very lucky, Trump will simply accept their apologies and they'll drop all of their prosecutions.

If they aren't, the President is going to start tearing out scalps. Looking forward to it: like the host says, these people used to be better at hiding their corruption, but grotesque ineptitude is starting to outweigh their low cunning.

There is simply too much access to information now and things are getting harder and harder to hide or to keep all of the "spin" correct as previous statements, etc. can be accessed and compared across time that simply wasn't possible even ten years ago.

Privacy is a thing of the past. No place to hide almost anything you do online.

Anonymous Reenay January 22, 2018 2:13 PM  

It's at times like these that I just have to ask why bad things happen to good people.

At times like these, the bigger mystery is why bad things happen to bad people.

Anonymous Steveo January 22, 2018 2:14 PM  

How good, exactly... is your surveillance state if they can't keep data secure from themselves?

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable January 22, 2018 2:15 PM  

Cubby8126 wrote:Nsa director "Trump won the election"

All computer based employees "Alright time to go full Clinton."

*musical background playing "just delete it"*


Actually, Admiral Rogers has been a stalwart since taking over, as this article illustrates. You have to be careful painting with too broad a brush. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

The fact that all the other players were political appointees and he is military is significant.

Blogger tuberman January 22, 2018 2:19 PM  

The question is who in the NSA and FBI are complicit as traitors and why? The NSA due to Admiral Rogers has done a major turn around, but everyone in the NSA? Not likely.

How about the FBI, as many of the top people and even the middle level are still bad, but are the majority? The stategy during the BHO Presidency was to take all the pro-American FBI people and move them out of DC, and away from powerful positions. The Corrupt people have been put in place in DC, and the pro-America people moved out to the sticks.

The CIA has been corrupt from top to bottom for a long time, and needs to be destroyed.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable January 22, 2018 2:19 PM  

With all of the obfuscation going on, the various IG offices are one of the last places you can "trust" in an agency, at least as far as you can trust anything.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-22/whos-lying-fbi-says-5-months-texts-lost-yet-ig-horowitz-says-his-office-received

Anonymous Smart L. Ibertarian January 22, 2018 2:25 PM  

Your hero Drumph runs the Federal Government now. You get to own this. Don’t blame me, I voted Libertarian.

Anonymous p-dawg January 22, 2018 2:34 PM  

@ "Smart" L. Ibertarian: "Your hero Drumph runs the Federal Government now. You get to own this."

When do you think he took office?

From the article:
"Additionally, the NSA said backup tapes were deleted in 2009, 2011, and 2016."

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 22, 2018 2:36 PM  

@17

In other news, libertarians show themselves to be autistic.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 22, 2018 2:38 PM  

Hey, they're not just taking action, they're taking swift action. All is well!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 22, 2018 2:39 PM  

autisticscreetching.txt

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable January 22, 2018 2:39 PM  

Smart L. Ibertarian wrote:Your hero Drumph runs the Federal Government now. You get to own this. Don’t blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Your name selection is obviously an oxymoron.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 22, 2018 2:40 PM  

Shilling troll poop is almost an hour late. Not very good response time! Service was much more timely in 2016.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 22, 2018 2:43 PM  

"Scores of FBI employees arrested."

"On what warrants?"

"Well, we lost the warrants, kind of like how you guys lost your self-incriminatory records. They did exist though, so go directly to jail."

Blogger Chiva January 22, 2018 2:43 PM  

"Additionally, the NSA said backup tapes were deleted in 2009, 2011, and 2016."
Once can be an accident. Twice can be sloppy procedure. Three times is malfeasance.

Anonymous DaveInjustice January 22, 2018 2:44 PM  

OT

Minnesotans after last night's game

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 22, 2018 2:46 PM  

"You can't do that!"

"Actually, we lost an order for your execution by firing squad too. *Looks around with an expression of mild confusion.* "Did we lose any other execution orders?"

Anonymous BBGKB January 22, 2018 2:48 PM  

If they are not incompetent govt workers are actively against Americans


9th circuit court j____________os allow deported HIV+ wetback back into the US.
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2018/01/16/gay-asylum-seeker-deported-retrieved-by-u-s-in-nightmare-christmas/

Blogger August January 22, 2018 2:57 PM  

This should never be the end of the story. The end of the story should include the hard disk being taken somewhere for forensics, and some NSA employing visiting the inside of a jail.

A long time ago somebody came out with a movie about Robert Hanssen. It was just unbelievable, yet the DVD had a commentary track with some FBI dude and the movie was pretty much exactly what they wanted us to believe. But what it made me think is this Hanssen guy way a stickler for handling data the right way, and everyone hated him for it. They claim he was giving stuff to the Russians, but their inability to use proper protocol means China has data on all government employees, and probably a lot else besides.

Blogger Technomad January 22, 2018 2:59 PM  

Wasn't there an almighty hoo-hah during "Watergate" about some secretary or another "accidentally" erasing eighteen minutes of tape? Want to bet that the media-filth dismiss this with a "Ho hum?"

Anonymous BBGKB January 22, 2018 3:00 PM  

OT: but funny pic from womens march. Tiki torches vs puny tea lights. physiognomy is real
https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/18451016

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 22, 2018 3:13 PM  

And this stuff is what leads me to believe that certain Federal agencies are sticklers for so-called "Full Scope" or "Lifestyle" polygraphs. I think the people that are in charge of these data stores are so paranoid that they throw this requirement up to ensure that when they do "accidentally" delete this info, they have that cover of "plausible deniability".

Of course, the irony here is that such polygraphs are not equal across the IC. If I had one via NSA, CIA would demand I sit for their equivalent, and vice versa. They will not accept cross agency agreements, even though those are technically demanded by law. Obviously, said irony is lost on all of these folks.

Anonymous Precious January 22, 2018 3:17 PM  

@29 August, I always found Robert Hanssen's story hard to believe too, but I never saw any narrative that contradicted it.

Blogger Darwinite January 22, 2018 3:35 PM  

It’s not like they need their own archive of the texts, since they can just send a “National Security Letter” to the phone carrier to get them any time they want. They don’t even need a subpoena for that.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 22, 2018 4:09 PM  

The stategy during the BHO Presidency was to take all the pro-American FBI people and move them out of DC, and away from powerful positions. The Corrupt people have been put in place in DC, and the pro-America people moved out to the sticks.

I expect this was merely a continuation of the strategy followed in the Clinton era, and never stopped during the clown-fart era of Jorge W. Busheron (Murika's first Mexican). D'Won Mocha Messiah and his criminal associates no doubt doubled-down in the practice (as they did in about every other area). What's very strange are the revelations about NK and how Deep State probably gave them all the tech for nukes, etc. Eric Schmidt (of Goolag) made a visit there - might even still be there in the company of Rocket Man.

Anonymous Anonymous January 22, 2018 4:19 PM  

It's obvious that little green men and the Russians are to blame.

Anonymous Peter B January 22, 2018 4:28 PM  

Stephen Green sees it clearly at PJ Media:

"What the FBI is doing is demonstrating its political power -- baring its fangs, if you will -- by showing in the most obviously unbelievable way that it will do what it please. The FBI wants the people who count to understand that the Bureau cannot and will not be held accountable....

...The FBI didn't come up with a lame excuse because that's all they could come up with. They came up with a lame excuse because they think that's all they need."

Blogger tublecane January 22, 2018 4:30 PM  

@29-You mean Breach. As I recall, there were aspects the FBI wouldn't want us thinking, though minor ones.

For instance, he tricked them for decades and even managed to get himself appointed as the mole-hunter on his own trail. He denigrates the territoriality of different agencies, which helped him slide by. He makes fun of the "gun culture," which I guess puts dumb action above the sort of bureaucratic expertise it would take to actually run the agency. Because, you know, the FBI isn't just one big SWAT team.

Blogger tublecane January 22, 2018 4:32 PM  

@30-The general public has enough understanding of how physical tape works to know that's implausible. Computers, on the other hand, operate by magic. Only virginal nerds in their mommas' basements know about that stuff, amiright?

Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2018 4:41 PM  

> Well, since it was "sincere", all is forgiven...

I wonder if I can try that the next time I wind up in traffic court.

No, the peasants will be flogged as usual....

Blogger TM Lutas January 22, 2018 4:46 PM  

If Congress wanted to fix this, there is a low cost, little pain way to make the NSA et al (FBI, IRS) scream and reduce the possibility of this happening again. You move all personnel who used to be doing backup work for agencies into the legislative branch, along with their equipment and budgets and require the agencies to continue to use the same backup services.

1. Congress gets daily insight into the agencies they oversee.
2. When there is a data failure in the backup system, Congress knows within 24 hours.
3. Their current IT staff can directly access and require their new subordinates to do data restorations for the oversight committees. No need for messy subpoenas. They're getting daily "testimony" in the backups.

Essentially, it's a modern way to bring the agencies under control in a way that will be hard to argue against.

Anonymous Elder Son January 22, 2018 4:52 PM  

They're not deleted. It's just much less embarrassing saying they lost them.

Blogger MendoScot January 22, 2018 5:22 PM  

I regret to inform you, Vox, that y'all ain't close to Banana Republic.

When Carlos Menem attempted a third term as President of Argentina, his former Economy Minister* announced that during his last term he had taken a $2M bribe from IBM install a computer system in the National Bank.

The press scented blood and ran off to his next public appearance, where they placed the deadly question ... "Your minister said you took a bribe..."

His answer?

"Ask him how much he got."

The Bull of the Pampas.

*Sunday Horse, a Chicago Boy

Blogger Azimus January 22, 2018 5:54 PM  

I'm OK with this, as long as their is an indictment.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 22, 2018 6:01 PM  

Were I the judge, I'd say, "I sincerely regret the necessity of citing you for contempt of court. Two years imprisonment."

Then direct the bailiff to take the offender off to prison.

This is all part of a piece - the senior leadership of these organizations think they have immunity from discipline. They need to learn otherwise.

WRT the FBI, you need to understand that they have been bent for at least 60 years. Hoover was known to be kept in office partly because he had a truckload of blackmail information. Since they, you've got Ruby Ridge. The Waco Massacre. The effort to frame Richard Jewell. The shoddy lab work. Spying on the Trump campaign is merely the latest.

At an absolute minimum, the FBI should be disarmed. Ideally, disestablished, with senior personnel dismissed and junior personnel barred from positions that would arm them.

Anonymous Scowling Deplorable Primitive Paradigm January 22, 2018 7:22 PM  

@44 Napoleon 12pdr

Then direct the bailiff to take the offender off to prison.


Not in a country club minimum security. Standard Fed pen with standard population. If that's too scary, then SuperMax isolation.

Ruby Ridge. The Waco Massacre.

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 22, 2018 8:53 PM  

@45: I had in mind the local drunk tank. :-)

Anonymous Hoss January 22, 2018 9:32 PM  

For the next two years, US government agencies (especially FBI and IRS) should not be able to require any citizen or corporation to provide records from any period over the last ten years they don't wish to produce. Nothing more needs to be said than "Sorry, we've lost our records from that time period." Let's put everyone on equal-footing.

Anonymous JAG January 22, 2018 11:27 PM  

Hillary's email server wiped with a cloth.

The Tarmac meeting.

The Strzok files.

Now this.

The roaches are scurrying frantically. Time for Trump to break out the can of RAID.

Anonymous JAG January 22, 2018 11:38 PM  

https://pjmedia.com/trending/page-strzok-referenced-fbi-secret-society-met-day-election/

The term "secret society" is no accident. The left hand path...

Anonymous CarpeOro January 23, 2018 11:38 AM  

In a field that has been my bailiwick for the last 15 years at a number of major corporations - in the corporate world this would be the end of the techs and likely the next two levels of management above them jobs if not careers in IT. My guess is promotions all around in the government sector.

Blogger BriarRabbit January 23, 2018 1:46 PM  

There is a server in Chantilly VA. Another in CA. These two companies process ALL text messages for all carriers.

Carriers do not handle their own SMS messaging. They outsource it.

When I visited the one company in 2003 as part of my c9ntract work with a federal intelligence agency I asked "How often do you delete messages?"

"We have never deleted a message."

Every text message ever sent or received is with one of two companies.

Blogger BriarRabbit January 23, 2018 1:47 PM  

True equality.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 23, 2018 6:51 PM  

In the corporate world, if the matter is the subject of a subpeona, it would reach all the way to executive VP level.

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2018 7:50 PM  

> In the corporate world, if the matter is the subject of a subpeona, it would reach all the way to executive VP level.

And that's the level that should be being held in contempt and sent off to jail at this point.

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