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Wednesday, January 10, 2018

Bannon out at Breitbart

Steve Bannon has resigned from Breitbart News:
Stephen K. Bannon stepped down on Tuesday from his post as executive chairman of Breitbart News, ostracized for now from conservative circles and the Republican Party he brazenly predicted he would remake.

Mr. Bannon’s departure, which was initiated by an estranged financial patron and Breitbart investor, Rebekah Mercer, came as Mr. Bannon remained unable to quell the furor over remarks attributed to him in a new book in which he questions President Trump’s mental fitness and disparages his son Donald Trump Jr.

Mr. Bannon and Breitbart will work together on a smooth transition, said a statement from the company’s chief executive, Larry Solov. Separately, SiriusXM, which broadcasts a radio show on which Mr. Bannon was a host, said it was also cutting ties with him.
If this is all a charade, Team Trump are going to unprecedented lengths to make it look legitimate. But I'm more than a little dubious about all the sudden charges that both Bannon and Trump are mentally unstable and so forth. The vultures really have it in for him.

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Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 2:32 AM  

It's probably a bit of both, though Bannon hasn't been very good about making allies along the way, though we need to actually watch what technical changes happen with Breitbart's structure. Bannon was actually still in full legal control while in the White House. He was the only person on the board.

So there might be both an actual falling out, as well as things going on behind the scenes.

Considering Trump used "Bill of Love" yesterday, he's also in absolutely fine-tuned Troll Mode right now as well. So, from an outside perspective, I don't think anyone can be 100% certain of what is going on.

Anonymous Mr. Mercy Vetsel January 10, 2018 2:38 AM  

Hilarious if not so pathetic. With each betrayal, flakiness and colossal screw up, the level of Chess Trump is playing adds a dimension. I estimate that he's now playing 11D chess.

DACA was promised to end a year ago and now Trump is promising TWO amnesties for millions of illegals. Don't worry, we're told. Trump's view depends on who the last person he talks to is and he hasn't talked to Stephen Miller yet.

I can't wait to hear how complicated the machinations will be to explain the 11D Chess if Trump actually signs another Lucy football amnesty for border security deal into law. He's promised that he'll do so if it makes it to his desk. He completely trusts Gramnesty and the Dems to come up with a great deal.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 10, 2018 2:41 AM  

I wonder if Bannon knew that DACA was coming, and needed a clean out. Any way VOX, did you catch the Andy Warski Video of Spencer/Sargon/Stynenhammer? It was very interesting. You can tell Sargon is a Dawkins lackey... he poisoned the well so many times I was starting to feel nauseated.

Anonymous Jo January 10, 2018 3:03 AM  

Bannon miscalculated and Trump broke him. I'm not sure there's much to see here.

Blogger Akulkis January 10, 2018 3:06 AM  

Link? Or are you just presuming that everybody is psychic and knows exactly what search engine terms to enter to find the vid that you wrote about.

Blogger roughcoat January 10, 2018 3:12 AM  

Sargon, Richard Spencer, and Styx talking

It's long as shit and I don't really like any of them so I'm not listening to it, but there you are. I've just read a few things about it since it happened. Mostly that Sargon was being a twat by relying on preplanned traps and not really debating.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 3:34 AM  

Considering the shills are likely to be out in force today, I wonder what story line they're going to run with?

Trump is still playing out the Optimized approach: Machiavellian the hell out of the situation. He unironically called a 3-year work permit system + Wall funding + RAISE act a "bill of love". He has all of the leverage and the Left will never give in on funding The Wall, so play it all for optics.

OpenID leukosfash January 10, 2018 3:38 AM  

OT: Another deviant pol falls on his sword. On Drudge: Idaho Rep Brandon Hixon is an hero: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jan/09/former-idaho-rep-brandon-hix-commits-suicide/#/0

Anonymous map January 10, 2018 3:42 AM  

This is an interesting an old comment from The Last Refuge:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/11/economic-diplomacy-china-refuses-a-dozen-cargo-ships-of-north-korean-coal/comment-page-1/#comment-3813675

Well, I don’t really have to do any holding together, now that I figured out what Trump is up to. He is shaking things out, but counting on Trump gravity to pull things back together as he moves along. He is moving “forward” at speeds Obama could not even dream of.

You and I will be anti-Trump trolls one day and MAGA heroes the next. Get used to it. Trump speed is the new normal. Some will call it flip-flopping, but that’s not what it is. Trump is dodging and weaving through reality faster than the reality can react to disrupt his plans.

I was explaining this to my wife. This is a roller-coaster now. Trump is no longer waiting for people to keep up. He is taking his bewildering art-of-the-deal campaign schtick into geopolitics, and for a lot of people who can’t keep up or hold on, it will be a rough ride.

Trump is no longer playing only with evil and cunning players who are still predictable, easily beatable dopes, like Hillary. He is playing against killers, with his own team of killers, and all the while he has scheming creeps like Hillary, BGI, SPLC, and the neocons gunning for him. Snake Ryan ready to bite when nobody is looking. “Warhead” McCain screaming for Russian blood. Psycho Kim and Samoa Obama plotting some kind of intrigue to take him down. And THOSE are the lightweights.

This is the majors now. Trump has to outwit world-class adversaries and “frenemies” by defining the deals that they will agree to. One minute they will think Trump is their friend – the next minute, a cunning, bitter foe. And he has to do this with evil cheerleaders like Warhead, Linderace, Dipsy Dowd, Maggie Haterman, and Fake Yapper trashing him or praising him alternately, no matter which way he goes. They can’t keep up, either.

Neither can many around him. I think that half of the problem with advisers crashing into each other is they don’t realize what Trump is doing.

And people will trash you, and they will trash me. Get used to it. I’ve already caught plenty of people mocking me. Well, just wait a week in Trump time. Look stupid and conned by Trump one minute, and you look like a sage three days later.

Trump will not find perfect solutions. He will find OPTIMAL solutions. We cannot ask for more. Trump has stood by and watched Perfect murder Good for 8 years – maybe longer. He’s not gonna do it. He’s going to deliver the best outcome possible, and he’s not waiting for us to feel relaxed about it.

Best presidency ever! Just hang on. More winning is coming, but a lot of people are going to scream that it’s all over at EVERY turn.

The best way through this is to define viewpoints, not people, because people will shift as they change position and velocity in Trump gravity. Bash the neocon, warmonger, and dopey globalist positions – not the people who are going to hold them one moment and come loose from them later. Trump is Jupiter moving through the asteroid belt. He is going to pull people into his orbit. A few will get slung off into space, but most will come along for the ride of their lives.

I am ON the Trump Train for good, even if I scream that I want off and can’t take it. In the end, I only want to scream “TOO MUCH WINNING!!!” ��

Anonymous map January 10, 2018 3:46 AM  

From Rush:

I know many here hate Rush, but I thought this was interesting…

RUSH: Look, time is gonna dwindle away here and rather than wait for things to bounce off of, I want to give you my thought on what happened here today with Trump and this meeting, and I’m gonna go out on a limb. And a lot of you are gonna have a bit of a problem with this, but I really don’t think this meeting was about immigration today. I don’t think that’s what this was. I think the meeting about immigration was the thing, not immigration. I think this was a calculated move.
It was a brilliantly conceived and flawlessly executed rebuttal to this stupid Wolff book. The pictures tell the tale. Trump is in the room dominating it, controlling it. He is cooperative. He is open. He’s tolerant. He’s understanding. He’s in total command of over 45 minutes of televised meeting on immigration. He is totally informed on the issues. He’s going back and forth with the Democrats on whatever mundane aspect of it they bring up. He is in total command of his position on this.
He was firm, and he didn’t waver, and he did it while being very amiable. It was not accidental that seated on Trump’s right was Dick Durbin and on his left was Steny Hoyer, two prominent Democrats from the Senate and the House. They were captured by the cameras paying total, rapt attention to Trump when he spoke, and they looked totally respectful. So after you watch this, how would you react to anything in the Wolff book characterizing Trump as just the opposite of this? And this was the purpose of this today.
It was not about immigration.
It was to counter the Wolff book. It was to get rid of it, it was to toss it aside, it was to rebut it. It was to nuke it. It was to dispel it. It was to render it meaningless and to have it seen for what it is: A pack of lies. Now, some people might say, “Gee, I don’t think that was good reason to do this. You don’t want to be defensive about it.” Well, I’m sure at the White House they’ll tell you this wasn’t a defensive move, that this was them on offense.
But somebody up there figured out, “Look, people are believing this crap in the Wolff book, and we’re gonna have to counter it,” and so the way they countered it was by doing something unprecedented: Televising an actual meeting on a serious piece of legislation. And, by the way, strip it all away, and it shows Trump eager to get a deal. It shows Trump eagerly cooperating with everybody.
It doesn’t show Trump beating some people upside the head and telling them to shut up, it doesn’t show Trump being domineering and uncompromising. It doesn’t show Trump as aloof or unattached or unaware. It does all of the opposite, and that’s what the meeting was. But I’m still gonna ask if any of you are concerned about that.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: I’ll tell you what else. I think Trump trapped the Democrats. There’s no way the Democrats knew the media was gonna be in the meeting, no way. The Democrats did not have any idea that the meeting was to show off Trump at work. And that’s exactly what this meeting did. And the Democrats are trapped in there. Once it starts, there’s — you can see Durbin and Hoyer, I noticed a couple times they’re looking a little nervous. They realized what happened to them.
Trump’s in there nice as he can be, respectful, in total command, running the show, respectful, open to any idea, nowhere near deranged, unattached, uninterested, none of this boorish behavior that’s described, no senility and all that. And so Trump traps the Democrats and the media into showing him in total command. I mean, you look at it from that perspective, the thing is absolutely brilliant. They had no idea, they got sucked in, and they have been used.

Anonymous map January 10, 2018 3:47 AM  

continued...

Even Gloria Borger, grab sound bite 31 real quick. Gloria Borger, who is like anybody else in that town, wants Trump gone as soon as she can make it happen, said this on CNN.
BORGER: Can we just take a step back, first of all, and remark upon what we just watched. I mean, this wasn’t just cameras in the courtroom. This was cameras in the jury room during the deliberations. I have covered Washington for a very long time, and I have not seen anything like this. And I think the president deserves credit for this, because what we got to watch was people actually — and I turned to Dan at some point, and I said, “Is this real?”
RUSH: They were cooperating. They were getting along. They were crossing the aisle. They were civil. It was everything people say Washington isn’t anymore because of Trump. And the Democrats couldn’t dare leave. All they could do (imitating Trump), “Senator Feinstein, I want to hear what you think.”
“I want DACA, I want a clean DACA bill. I don’t want any end of chain migration, we’ll do comprehensive later.” Meanwhile, our caller, don’t forget, “You know, my kids have dreams, too, and I don’t hear the Democrats talking about dreams for my kids or anybody in this country anymore. The Democrats only seem to be concerned about dreams of people that might someday vote for ’em.”
You watch, folks. The Democrats, when they figure this out, are gonna be fit to be tied when they figure out what happened to them today. You talk about master negotiator pulling the Rug out from under a bunch of people that thought they were on the way to the 25th Amendment. He-he-he-he-he.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Just look at it this way, folks, if you’re nervous. What happened today really had nothing to do with immigration. He didn’t say anything today that he can’t walk back. He didn’t say anything today that he’s gonna have to walk back, either. It’s all good. In fact, it’s better than that. Wait till you see the Democrats when they figure out what just happened to them.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf January 10, 2018 3:49 AM  

Somehow I have a softspot for Bannon. Though, if given a choice, I'd defer to Trump. Not because I think he's playing 12D chess, but because Trump has an much more information than me.

That said I want DACA ended AND no chain immigration.

Anonymous Simplytimothy January 10, 2018 4:00 AM  

"Goy Gone!" Is the.tone of the neocons on Twitter. JGoldnerg at NRO posted a.story, but I cannot stomach the formerly Catholic National Review and did not bother reading it.

Blogger Shimshon January 10, 2018 4:00 AM  

@7 "Considering the shills are likely to be out in force today, I wonder what story line they're going to run with?"

Looking Glass, given Feinstein's release of the testimony transcript, the take I read, at CTH I believe, is a public play for transparency, but now all the players that have yet to testify now have the playbook to go by. It sounds like it won't matter in the end, so voluminous is the evidence available and gathered up.

Blogger Shimshon January 10, 2018 4:06 AM  

@7 "Considering the shills are likely to be out in force today, I wonder what story line they're going to run with?"

Looking Glass, given Feinstein's release of the testimony transcript, the take I read, at CTH I believe, is a public play for transparency (with all the ooh-ing and ah-ing that follows in its wake), but now all the players that have yet to testify now have the playbook to go by. It sounds like it won't matter in the end, so voluminous is the evidence available and gathered up.

Blogger roughcoat January 10, 2018 4:14 AM  

That said I want DACA ended AND no chain immigration.

I want almost no immigration at all for at least 20 years and a super restrictive immigration policy after that, no anchor babies---and the ones who are here can *never* sponsor their relatives---no DACA, none of that bullshit.

There is no need whatsoever to import no/low skill labor, and this whole "we'll bring in the smart people so they can just take our cutting edge tech and research back home, often to hostile nations" is beyond idiotic. Show me a legit foreign Einstein and I'll be fine letting him in to stay, but only if he renounces his foreign citizenship and burns his passport. And if he takes any tech back home anyway he goes on foreign spy priority kill list.

I suppose my opening offer should be "institute the death penalty, Judge Dredd style, for illegal immigrants caught by ICE" if I want to get there in one shot, though.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 4:37 AM  

@14 Shimshon

A bunch of the people that should be looking at Life In Prison are going to be testifying to Congress over the next week. Feinstein clearly released it so they can at try to avoid easy perjury charges. They're doing the "if we all stick together, we don't hang together". Problem is that the Prison's Dilemma breaks down really faster when you introduce more than 2 parties, especially when those at the Top tend to skate regardless.

Trump is going to use DACA as media cover for get the really Swamp-damaging Storm rolling. (We've entered "It's Happening" stage, btw. And it only gets more nuts from here.) It also keeps the media busy while someone is clearly staging a Regime Change in Iran at the moment.

DACA is DOA and it has been for a while. That's why Trump is extracting all of the value he can. The man called full Wall funding a "Bill of Love" yesterday. Trump is in clear trolling mode against the Dems, probably getting back at them for the previous stunt with DACA last year.


@15 roughcoat

I like the way you think.

Blogger Shimshon January 10, 2018 5:17 AM  

@16 Yeah, in Orwellian terms, some are more guilty than others. The less guilty are going to make whatever deals they can just to avoid having the book thrown at them.

Regarding DACA and the budget, everyone knows it's Congress' fault (or, easily blamed) when a bill doesn't get passed into law. Trump can't sign what isn't in front of him. And even the Recucklicans don't want to pass a bill he won't sign. It will be entertaining when the deporting starts.

Blogger cmbaileytstc January 10, 2018 5:20 AM  

This all begins to look like Trump has given up on getting rid of DACA etc. and is simply negotiating enough minor concessions to save face for his brand. I would like to be proven wrong on this.

Blogger Phat Repat January 10, 2018 5:37 AM  

If DACA stays, I'm done with Trump. I like the thoughts of some posters here, but DACA and all the associated crap MUST GO.

Blogger Phat Repat January 10, 2018 5:42 AM  

On a side note, perhaps, as VD has opined the break-up of the US is in play. If so, I will keep a residence in the US (hopefully in the right place), but will seek an alternate residence in Europe (a reverse migration).

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 10, 2018 5:43 AM  

I'm of the belief that the tendency to be impatient is a common trap into which many fall, myself included. I'm going to be patient with Trump not because "I'm giving him more time" but because of my common tendency to be impatient. In short, I'm checking one of my many personal flaws.

Blogger Scott Birch January 10, 2018 5:54 AM  

I found it by entering Spencer vs Sargon on Youtube.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 5:55 AM  

@21 Al From Bay Shore

DACA is an optics nightmare, which is why Trump is playing it as he is. The GOPe actually can't afford for this to come to terms during the Primary season. The Optimized Approach for Trump is the Machiavellian one. Rile his own base up a bit on the topic, crush the GOPe and Dems with the same topic and let DACA die by timing alone.

No one has to like it, but if you were in a similar position, it's the best outcome for You. And if you are Trump, you're looking for the best outcome for your objectives. There's a reason he called a bill with Wall funding the "Bill of Love".


@17 Shimshon

Yup. Trump is using a "heads I win/tails you lose" strategy here. Note he's consistently upped his side of any deal. Now we're talking end of Chain Migration, The Wall and the RAISE act for some nebulous action on "DACA". Dems & GOPe have to compromise everything to get something undefined with "DACA".

This is going no where. It's a poison-pilled discussion and Trump is going to extract the most benefit out of it. It's the "dark game plan" in the situation, from a man with all of the Dark Triad traits. Trump is an Apex Alpha, which means he has all of the traits, he can just keep them under control.

Blogger Lovekraft January 10, 2018 6:04 AM  

This move appears to be yet another co-ordinated hitjob by, I suspect, the neocon warmongers (think the potential of billions in potential arms deals).

So we'll have to see whether some major U.S. military action occurs in the near future. If there isn't, Bannon was nothing more than an inconvenience to the Inner Circle.

If there is, then my opinion is Bannon's expulsion was part of an effort to perpetuate the cycle.

Blogger Lovekraft January 10, 2018 6:06 AM  

OT but another youtuber, CapnCummings is now joining the anti-alt-hero group started by EVS and D&C.

I've posted a link there to this blog, as well as stating that people should beware of anti-VD SJWs posting vague smears of VD.

This little drama only serves to show how quickly people are to accept the leftist smear of the alt-right, while they claim that we are the radicals.

Blogger Lovekraft January 10, 2018 6:09 AM  

The neocons, tied to the arms industry, may be out of the picture for now (Bush had them steeped to the rafters) but I am under no doubt that they are waiting and plotting in the wings.

History will show Bannon was an inconvenient voice to these forces or just a sacrifice to the rabid marxist left.

If a major US/Israel-manipulated conflict breaks out in the next year, it would cement my opinion that Bannon was neutralized in order to further this aim.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 10, 2018 6:15 AM  

I'm of the belief that the tendency to be impatient is a common trap into which many fall, myself included. I'm going to be patient with Trump not because "I'm giving him more time" but because of my common tendency to be impatient. In short, I'm checking one of my many personal flaws.

Ditto.

Blogger Constantine XI January 10, 2018 6:27 AM  

I honestly don't know what to make of this press conference yesterday and can only express bewilderment.

The dreaded words "Comprehensive Immigration Reform". Trump seemingly agreeing with Feinstein that he would sign a DACA bill with no preconditions. Kevin McCarthy of all people forced to play bad cop as Trump appears to agree with whoever he has spoken to last.

Really Donald?

If this isn't just grandstanding I'm done with Trump. We've all paid the tax in supporting him and what I saw today frankly was embarassing.

Every one of these illegals will be a newly minted Democratic voter and any compromise on this issue is political suicide for him not to mention this country. But obviously we all know that.

Hopefully he still rememembers why he was elected in the first place.

As far as Bannon goes nobody likes a snitch or turncoat. He massively overestimated his own and BB's influence. In actuality he had little or marginal influnce in getting Trump elected. He singlehandedly lost a locked senate race by insisting on pushing a retarded candidate.

The boomer populism was starting to get tiresome anyway and he really has shown exceptionally poor judgement. Giving aid and confort to the enemy is an unforgivable sin.

He did some good but it's simply time for Sloppy Steve to go.

In other news it was fun watching Sargon get BTFO by Spencer and the whole Krautgate debacle. Also amusing to see Cernovich hitching himself to Bannon just as he's getting chucked overboard and the whole Breitbart/Merchant Right cuckery exposed by Paul Nehlan.

Anonymous Cpap January 10, 2018 6:29 AM  

Bannon could get a second chance from Trump. He did the honorable thing and fell on his own sword.

Blogger Shimshon January 10, 2018 6:37 AM  

" Now we're talking end of Chain Migration, The Wall and the RAISE act for some nebulous action on "DACA"."

Yeah, and if Trump is actually given all that, giving them DACA would, as hard a pill as it would be to swallow, be worth it. It would be as momentous a change in immigration policy as was Trump's was Trump's tax plan to tax policy. He wins either way. Especially since there's no way the Dems or the GOPe want to give in on any of the above. The deported Dreamers will be on them, not him.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 10, 2018 6:40 AM  

Bannon served his purpose. NEXT!

Blogger VD January 10, 2018 6:40 AM  

another youtuber, CapnCummings is now joining the anti-alt-hero group started by EVS and D&C.

Good. Let it grow, by all means.

Anonymous Ages January 10, 2018 6:49 AM  

I will give Trump until Daca expires in March. If he signs a clean Daca bill with only the Dem’s promises to address other matters later, I will call him a fool. I didn’t like what I saw yesterday.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 10, 2018 6:51 AM  

Well, like I said last week, not surprised in the least that Bannon was out at Breitbart. Cernovich brought up a couple of good points yesterday in a stream, that the Mercers weren’t expecting something like this to happen when they signed on to support Breitbart, and that Bannon has now been relegated to essentially a ronin. Milo echoed that sentiment, as well. I think this amicable “breakup” will benefit both Bannon and Breitbart moving forward.

As for the Trump visuals yesterday, I heard that Limbaugh analysis live, and it’s pretty much in line with a lot of my thinking and the other analysis I’ve read in this thread thus far. It’s a total trap for the Dems and GOPe, no question. I take the “I’ll sign whatever bill you send me” to read as “I know there’s no chance in hell that any of you are going to come to a legitimate agreement that’s to my liking, so I’m just going to sit back and watch the fireworks”. I also agree that this was more of a subtle dig at the Wolff book, especially due to the fact that folks like Limbaugh and Ingraham are coming out throwing BS flags along with visual evidence that the God Emperor is on tape having a measured conversation on policy with his very detractors. Brilliant master stroke if I ever saw one.

I mean, look at the news from over the weekend re: “insurgency candidates”. Only real criteria he gave for support was support of *HIS* agenda. Not “career incumbency”. Not “new blood”. To me, it sent a pretty clear signal that whipping folks up into a frenzy over a primary challenge was a waste of resources, and in most respects, he’s right. A huge part of the failure of the Moore campaign in Alabama was the attention focused on that singular race, regardless of who the actual candidate was. I think the tactic of irritating incumbents to the point of walking away, such as Flake, is a more optimal solution, for now, since it allows for a more measured effort of identifying and supporting an optimal candidate, plus it has the benefit of spreading out opposition due to the uncertainty of who the ultimate candidate is going to be.

As I keep telling others, the sooner you stop treating Trump with the typical politician blinders, this stuff all makes much more sense.

OpenID aew51183 January 10, 2018 6:56 AM  

>"DACA was promised to end a year ago and now Trump is promising TWO amnesties for millions of illegals"

Trump knows what he's doing.
Chain migration is a greater threat than DACA.
800k official estimate.. 1.6m unofficial and 3.8m when immediate family are involved
VS
an officially estimated 4.6 million anchor babies bringing in a dozen "chain migrants" each over the next 10 years.

An end to chain migration even with daca amnesty and no wall is still superior to no deal and daca ending on a raw numbers basis.

Trump has a golden opportunity to force democrat compliance with the most important parts of immigration reform in exchange for their precious fee-fee issue. It's like having the opportunity to buy a dollar for a quarter.

Anonymous Empeecee January 10, 2018 7:05 AM  

Here are five hypotheticals:

1. DACA recipients get no path to citizenship. They can stay (and their kids will become citizens), but they won't ever get full citizenship. This means that deportation proceedings could still be taken -- especially if they lied on their legalization forms. (Trump has even started taking away citizenship from people naturalized illegally, this would be easier.)

2. Criminals don't get DACA recipients. This one is politically easy: "We're going to keep the best and the brightest, but we don't want any bad hombres taking advantage of the system!" Then, after it's signed, let the definition of "criminal" fall to the executive where they start prosecuting things like welfare and social security fraud.

3. No family migration. Trump granting DACA does not mean he has to grant their parents too. What good is it to be an American citizen if your family all has to go back?

4. Judiciously redefine who qualifies for DACA. Obama's not president anymore, he doesn't decide who qualifies. Make the transition from DACA to citizen a process, and you have to have your papers in order ("we have to be smart!"). 800k in theory doesn't mean 800k in practice.

5. DACA recipients count as our immigrants for the year. We get 1 million a year, so DACA is our quota. No need for a lottery (or whatever replaces the lottery).

Any legalization deal will have to leave a lot up to the executive branch, Congress can't get around it. Trading DACA for the Wall and Hart-Cellar repeal may seem like a bitter pill (it's worth it), but I trust Trump to find a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 7:12 AM  

@33 SemiSpook37

After the Pelosi/Schumer stunt last year, and calming down about the matter, I actually gamed out the Interests. People love to quote Sun Tzu without ever understanding it.


If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

This is actually one of the oldest known constructions of Game Theory, even if there's a hint of truism in the statement.

What are Trump's objectives? What is the GOPe's? What is the Dems'? Who has leverage in this situation?

Trump has the ultimate leverage: he simply wins by waiting out. This is exactly why he's talking about a "Bill of Love". (Remember, that's an actual QUOTE.)

GOPe has to deal with the CoC biting at their heels and the MAGA base open to impaling them on spears.

The Dems need immigration and they've known it since LBJ. The Dems have been a minority coalition for 6 decades, as it is, since LBJ killed JFK. They can't budge on this stuff. They are locked into their position and can't leave.

Thus, the weakest party involved is the GOPe and Trump knows there is no deal to be had, which means if Trump plays this for Optics in a purely Machiavellian way, he gains all of the advantage. If the Dems somehow blink and accept crumbs, Trump will take a deal, but that's never happening.

The Elites put so much power in the Presidency that they never believed that they could lose control of it. Just wait until Trump shatters their money flows.

One doesn't have to like the Machiavellianism to accept it is the optimal strategy in this situation. Notice how Trump has said many words. Many words. Has he said anything of substance?

Blogger The Observer January 10, 2018 7:12 AM  

@25:

Quelle surprise - Ethan attacks Quantum Mortis. "Fairly and honestly" indeed.

Cucks gonna cuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuvwiwgyD_M

Anonymous Conservative in Utah January 10, 2018 7:16 AM  

Machiavelli is a Chaotic Evil Man. Would Reagan act like this? The answer is no.

Anonymous Simplytimothy January 10, 2018 7:22 AM  

Reagan got rolled by the Dems.

Blogger LP9 January 10, 2018 7:30 AM  

So what on Bannon, he did not retract, did not truly say sorry, played the "I'm sorry" card a few days later, also after letting Wolff in whom is a liar and a heretic near the POTUS? - I dont believe for one moment Kelly allowed Wolfe near POTUS, look at Wolf, total Creep. Cerno to Stefan in 2016 and 2017 already covered Bannon.

When Micheal Savage to John B Wells this week are claiming something big is going to air 1/10/2018 or very soon, something else is up. Where did Cerno's, Vox's coverage RE: Google and Stefan's Oprah coverage error? It didn't error.

Alleged mental health workers gaslighting the POTUS without board certification, without a formal exam, without following protocol, whoring for money, these CNN or legacy media THOTS (a term I learned this year, its derived from a black 2015 rap video where the black men are too dumb to say HYPERGAMY) alt left HRC worshipers violated their own vows in medicine to do no harm, slander via personal attacks the outcome is to sue them all but the Trumps dont care and have no use for them.

Something bigger is on the way, Bannon is a sideshow fill in soft boring news to entertain the media not the cable cutting American People.

22 It was Styx, Sargon, Spencer, Spencer was snarky, obnoxious, silly, fake; Colin of Google must be absurd comparing Vox Day to Richard.

There is no connection, zero interest, zero comparison or anything from my knowledge to Vox and Spencer (mr. thank tank man) the pro EU mired genxer. Spencer is banned in over 20 lands, he, Duke to Anglin should all be in bed together, I never want to read their farcical names again.

Spencer can toy with mil'lens but he cannot hold a candle to Vox; furthermore Styx like Stefan to others have zero interest given to engage in personal attacks, Sargon did just fine in that if one listens to him, his replies were predictably funny towards Spencer, big deal, Spencer to Mark Collet talks with a well funded boomer miscreant Duke. Spencer within his VA think tank, Mark, Andrew Anglin, Duke all deserve each other mired in stupidity - they are warping the women in the right whom are very young working through, growing up into their worldviews.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 10, 2018 7:43 AM  

@39 I like Reagan but his greatest error was allowing the federal department of education to survive. The effects of this error, in my opinion, has played a major role in the convergence of American K-12 education.

There is a reason by the listing of enumerated powers excludes the national government from involving itself in education. It's puzzling that Reagan, a person who described libertarianism as the core of his conservatism, failed in this crucial area.

Blogger Akulkis January 10, 2018 7:49 AM  

@Idiot in Utah

Reagan signed an amnesty in exchange for a future bill providing full funding for a wall ... a bill which was never even introduced, let alone debated, let alone passed and put on his desk to sign.

Go back to giving Egghead McMuffin more gay blowjobs... seeing how that's all you're really good for.

Blogger Johnny January 10, 2018 7:59 AM  

Trump does have a kind of back and forth style. If it were military it would be called probing the enemy. With the alleged DACA deal he may well just be maneuvering the troops to distract the enemy. But with Bannon I favor the obvious and see his dismissal from Breitbart as a conformation. He betrayed the old boss and so nobody wants him around, and so now he is finished. Lucky for Trump he got rid of him as soon as he did.

And no, Bannon did not fall on his sword. He tried a calculated retreat too late and it didn't work.

I am not so sure about this he is an X dimension chess player, but Trump is plainly a master manipulator. He is in a situation that would take anybody else down and still getting some positive results. Way better than what we had before. All hail the master manipulator.

Blogger Johnny January 10, 2018 8:06 AM  

Reagan signed an amnesty in exchange for a future bill providing full funding for a wall...

I recall vaguely that both Reagan and Carter did the same thing. That being amnesty based on the promise of some future restrictions on immigration. My current opinion is that it was all just the usual Washington misdirection BS swindle. If we don't get something on immigration and Trump surrenders on DACA it will be all but over for me as a supporter.

Blogger seeingsights January 10, 2018 9:04 AM  

Even if a law is passed which has elements some of us like such as no citizenship for DACA receipients, I fear that left/liberal judges might strike parts of it down. I can see such judges ruling that citizenship cannot be denied. I can even see a judge say there's a right to chain migration.
I say make no deal. Just pass separate pieces of legislation.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 10, 2018 9:09 AM  

In that stream Spencer explicitly rejected that the US was founded to secure individual rights, and he all-but-explicitly rejected that we should pursue such government as an end. In that sense, Sargon is more Alt-Right than Spencer. I think Sargon got caught off guard by how anti-American Spencer is.

Blogger Robert What? January 10, 2018 9:41 AM  

My head hurts.

Blogger tuberman January 10, 2018 10:01 AM  

Yeah, anyone worried about DACA, mental health attacks, Oprah, etc., have no worthwhile ideas.

Lazy people should research better. Have they also... no perspective on the last year?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 10, 2018 10:08 AM  

seeingsights wrote:Even if a law is passed which has elements some of us like such as no citizenship for DACA receipients, I fear that left/liberal judges might strike parts of it down. I can see such judges ruling that citizenship cannot be denied. I can even see a judge say there's a right to chain migration.

The judges have as much power as the executive or the legislature are willing to give them. So far, the exec and the legislators have found it convenient to allow the unelected, unaccountable judges to force them to do what they want to do anyway.

Unlike the last many presidents, Trump doesn't want to do that liberal stuff. Expect his patience to end as soon as he finds it profitable to send liberal judges to Guantanamo.

The court has made its decision, now let them enforce it. How many divisions does the judiciary have?

Blogger tuberman January 10, 2018 10:11 AM  

LG,

"The Elites put so much power in the Presidency that they never believed that they could lose control of it. Just wait until Trump shatters their money flow."

Hmm, yes, Economics War from the get-go. Vast research being done now on the money flows in this country, and beyond. Too many dimensions to follow for most people.

See people, this is how you watch worthwhile objectives.

Anonymous gxg January 10, 2018 10:17 AM  

On the surface, Bannon appears to be the loser here. However, for all we know, the Mercers have dipped their own toes into the swamp, and this is a calculated move by Bannon to distance himself from them.

When Bannon was in the white house, Breitbart kept drifting into cuckiness, and lately, there's something "off" about Drudge, too. When the swamp fully drains, we might be surprised by what we learn.

In the meantime, I still believe that this is part of a larger plan by Trump and Bannon to destroy the fake news industry.

Blogger Off The Wall January 10, 2018 10:21 AM  

Phat Repat wrote:If DACA stays, I'm done with Trump. I like the thoughts of some posters here, but DACA and all the associated crap MUST GO.

Constantine XI wrote:
If this isn't just grandstanding I'm done with Trump. We've all paid the tax in supporting him and what I saw today frankly was embarassing.


Feel free to keep on cucking. Muh principles!!!

Blogger tuberman January 10, 2018 10:27 AM  

Lots of Pro Wrestling stuff going on, so be entertained.

Great skit, Trump smacking CNN to ground, and past does project the present, and future

Anonymous gxg January 10, 2018 10:28 AM  

Empeecee wrote:Here are five hypotheticals:

1. DACA recipients get no path to citizenship.
2. Criminals don't get DACA recipients.
3. No family migration.
4. Judiciously redefine who qualifies for DACA.
5. DACA recipients count as our immigrants for the year.

Any legalization deal will have to leave a lot up to the executive branch..


Very thought-provoking analysis. You're right. We've seen from Obama that the implementation of any law (or lack of implementation, as the case may be), can greatly alter the end results. Still, the quicker these "kids" are gone, the better.

Blogger steveaz January 10, 2018 10:31 AM  

I think the Dem's internal polling is showing that Hispanics want to live in Trump's kickass America, not the Obama-Pelosi-DACA one.

And that their silly racial pandering is not paying dividends anymore.

The "tone" in DC is about to improve greatly. The country is coming back together.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 10:36 AM  

@55 tuberman

We're deep enough in a comments thread that I can point out how I love "Trump the WWF Heel" stuff. After Trump gave up running for election in 2000, he noticeably truly invented the character of "The Donald". His time doing stuff with WWE was A/B testing the persona. He also put his face & name on shaving Vince McMahon's hair for an entire generation of wrestling fans.

No one ever seems to wonder how it is that he had such appeal to those of the Upper Midwest. Funny, that.

He put on a great show. "Bill of Love". Really. Dems can't compromise on the The Wall for DACA, so Trump is going to extract every ounce of Optics and leverage he can for the duration.

Blogger tuberman January 10, 2018 10:37 AM  

Muh DACA, muh DACA. My sister was on the phone yesterday and everything was DACA. Role Playing is so important these days.

I assigned my sister the Role of worrying about DACA, so I could move on to important stuff.

Anonymous johnc January 10, 2018 10:38 AM  

People really need to give up the 4D chess angle. Don't you know that was just a meme created by Scott Adams to show how confirmation bias works? And don't fall for "Trump gravity" which is the same concept wrapped up in a new package.

No, Trump really is this stupid. He is completely dependent on advisers and the good ones are gone.

From the get-go he filled his administration with leftists, Goldman Sachs shills and neocon dorks. What do you expect the policy to look like? The only nationalist left in the WH is Stephen Miller and he's been relegated to writing speeches here and there or showing up on CNN.

There were a lot of people saying nasty things in the Wolffe book, but only Bannon got the wrath of Trump. The point is that Trump and McConnell want Bannon to have zero influence in the midterms, so they launched a full-on attack. It worked; Bannon will have no influence. But I think in the end, distancing himself from Trump will work out best for him.

That meeting that Trump had yesterday made him look completely out of command. He's not a leader. His vision was not driving the discussion. He was all over the map, letting everyone take him wherever they wanted to go.

Anonymous MaskettaMan January 10, 2018 10:59 AM  

Scott's meme isn't 4d chess, it's 3d chess, and the 3rd d is persuasion, not tactical brilliance.

And while Scott Adams does talk about confirmation bias, it wasn't in relation to the number of D's on the chessboard, so you might quit huffing that rarified air and come back down here with the rest of us mortals.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope January 10, 2018 11:21 AM  

Folks saying Trump wasn't in charge of that meeting really have no long term strategic business sense.

I facilitate a lot of meetings with C-suite people. I can tell you that Trump is a master at the game. Everyone in that room was playing by Trump's rules, in front of the cameras, and it was accomplishing several strategic purposes, NONE of which were the ostensible reason for the meeting.

He is moving the Overton window on a weekly basis, and it reflects very poorly on those who cannot display any loyalty and are waiting for Jesus Christ to come be president.

Anonymous Philalethes January 10, 2018 11:28 AM  

@40.  Conservative in Utah

Machiavelli is a Chaotic Evil Man. Would Reagan act like this? The answer is no.

I don't know about Reagan (never really liked him that much), but for sure Ron Paul wouldn't "act like this". Which is precisely why he would have been a failure as President. Politics is a dirty game — the dirtiest in this world. To play the game successfully without actually doing any evil requires tremendous talent. Which Trump may have; it's too early to tell for sure, but I note that with all the talk and busyness he hasn't actually started any wars yet, unlike his "I'll end the war; you can take that to the bank" predecessor.

The last two times I voted (1984 & 1988) I voted for Ron Paul. In 2008 I considered registering as a Republican (which would have given family & friends heart attacks) to do so again, then decided not to bother after New Hampshire made it clear he wasn't going anywhere. Ron Paul is a good man, and I love him; I had the opportunity to meet him, and felt like I was in the presence of a saint. (I felt the same when I met Hopi elder Grandfather David Monongye, age 100+ in 1984.) But as a politician, he accomplished basically nothing — though I think he played a vital role.

Saints are important figures in this world, to show us what is really possible; but they don't make good politicians. See also the Dalai Lama (I had the opportunity to meditate with him — and about a hundred other people — it was a profound experience), who is a very good man but I'm afraid has not been very effective as steward of the welfare of the Tibetan people.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 11:31 AM  

@59 tuberman

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-budget-chief-shuts-down-consumer-protection-bureau-slush-fund/article/2645385

Speaking of money. Pocahontas must be fuming mad.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 10, 2018 11:51 AM  

The one thing I've learned from reading post-presidential term biographies is that presidents lie to the press all the time, in every way possible.

So, I have no idea what Trump is doing, probably on purpose. I voted on the idea that he knows what he's doing, even if I'm not informed by the press or anyone else.

Bannon, who knows? I'm grateful he's done what he's done so far.

Anonymous Ages January 10, 2018 12:03 PM  

Chain migration is a greater threat than DACA

Maybe so, but if Trump goes along with an incremental approach, I guarantee it will be Reagan 1986 again. The Republicans always compromise first and it always fails.

If the Dems want to tie this to the CR, then Trump had better be willing to shut down the government over this.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 10, 2018 12:09 PM  

Ages wrote:If the Dems want to tie this to the CR, then Trump had better be willing to shut down the government over this.

Willing? He's very likely maneuvering to force the Dems into a shut down, and has several plans in place to make it cost them and the GOPe more than they can afford.

Anonymous Andrew E. January 10, 2018 12:14 PM  

Meadows in the House and McConnell in the Senate have already said that DACA will not be part of the government funding measure needed by end of next week to avoid shutdown. The Dems will go along and sign something to keep the government open and then both sides will engage the fight over DACA as a separate matter.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 10, 2018 12:30 PM  

A shutdown gives a lot of power to Trump.
Trump is a master of the slow-pay and tactical bankruptcy.
They'd be fools to give him those emergency budgetary powers.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 10, 2018 12:46 PM  

They'll never "shut down" the government. Giving Trump emergency powers, something he's likely planned to exploit if they're stupid enough, is not something the Swamp really wants. It's also not something Trump wants to have to bother with. It's better kept as a Sword of Damocles than actually activated.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 10, 2018 1:03 PM  

I apparently assumed too much in thinking people who could successfully read a blog could also find a video on youtube. oops.

Blogger pdwalker January 10, 2018 2:05 PM  

It’s called, “being considerate” Sterling.

You should try it sometime.

Anonymous Avalanche January 10, 2018 2:23 PM  

@27 "If a major US/Israel-manipulated conflict breaks out in the next year, it would cement my opinion that Bannon was neutralized in order to further this aim."

Are you kidding? Bannon is WAY MORE of an israeli stooge than Trump! Have you not listened to his speech at the Vatican? (2014? I think it was?) Horrifying! A huge 'caution' for me about Bannon, even while I totally supported him as Trump capo.

Anonymous Avalanche January 10, 2018 2:31 PM  

@37 "What good is it to be an American citizen if your family all has to go back?"

And stress to these putative "citizens" that IF they go home WITH their deported families, then like any other "American" "citizen" "ex-pat" {gag} -- they're liable for all kinds of income taxes to be sent back to the U.S.! (Make "paperwork citizenship" not as worthwhile as it might have seemed....)

Oh, and levy a big tax on any funds these "paperwork citizens" might send home IF they choose to stay in their tricked and stolen country!

Anonymous FP January 10, 2018 3:09 PM  

How can people who read this blog freak out about this? Yes, keep applying pressure to Trump but stop worrying so much and look at the long game. Its not hard to see it. Trump has the dems and the gope between a rock and a hard place.

Anonymous Ages January 10, 2018 3:16 PM  

How can people who read this blog freak out about this?

Just taking him at his word.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett January 10, 2018 4:19 PM  

Well, that and Spencer is a coalburner. Check out 3h7-10min in.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 10, 2018 4:24 PM  

I'm very dissapointed with Bannon. I overlooked it when he downed the alt-right as it seemed tactically sound, but betraying the president, leaking secrets to the media, etc. That's too much.

Trump Mafia was calling Bannon out months ago and I didn't want to hear it, but now he's proven right.
Roger Stone is now saying that Bannon has been behind the effort to overthrow the president with the 25th amendment.


Does anyone understand why Bannon would be a traitor? It seems common sense that Bannon would want to stick to President Trump like glue. Yet he wants him out of office? Of course, you can't trust infowars completwly, either.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 10, 2018 4:25 PM  

Every time Trump "riles up the base," with talk of amnesty for Dreamers, acts of love, etc., and you all aren't FLOODING the Congressional switchboard in a foaming rage, you are letting him down. Everyone should have the office numbers for all of their Senators & Representatives, and anytime either they, or Trump, says something remotely cucky on immigration type issues, you should be lighting that switchboard up. Call them all. That TERRIFIES them. Letters freak them out more.
Obviously, I don't mean threatening letters from a psycho, so don't misconstrue my meaning. Only that it gives the matter more weight when you take the time to handwrite thoughtful & cogent oppositional letters, so if they get a huge stack of those, it makes them fear a base that's paying close attention & isn't a bunch of dumb tube sheep.

-person who worked in GOP politics on local/state/federal levels, for 3+ decades

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 10, 2018 4:27 PM  

*rube

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 10, 2018 4:43 PM  

"Maybe so?" Are you high? Chain migration could be responsible for up to 19 MILLION. Anchor babies, chain migration, family reunification, VISA lottery, that's where the true destruction came from.
Not that any of this matters. If the DACA amnesty goes through, and We don't repatriate massive numbers of people, (which we won't), AS, GA, FLA, & AZ only have 1-2 election cycles left before flipping blue, and that's just with our current population as it stands now. If you look at the demographics of each state, the number of immigrants who will be eligible to vote in 2020 onward, the hourglass gets turned over, with the granddaddy of them all, Texas, the biggest time bomb.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 10, 2018 4:46 PM  

The government funding bill and the DACA bill are separate bills. The cont.funding bill vote in Jan 19, the DACA vote is in March.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 10, 2018 9:20 PM  

@78 Wynn Lloyd

Does anyone understand why Bannon would be a traitor?
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Kwok and money

Blogger Were-Puppy January 10, 2018 9:23 PM  

@79 Zeroh Tollrants
Every time Trump "riles up the base," with talk of amnesty for Dreamers, acts of love, etc., and you all aren't FLOODING the Congressional switchboard in a foaming rage, you are letting him down.
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In a speech the other day I saw him say something like "Keep fighting, never stop fighting".

I think maybe he is counting on all of us to raise enough hell that DACA never sees the light of day.

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