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Tuesday, January 16, 2018

Decline is everywhere

Even the quality of the fake reviews on Amazon is in serious decline these days:
1.0 out of 5 stars
By Seth Rutledge January 15, 2018
This man writes for the Daily Stormer...
You should be ashamed of yourself for agreeing with this neo-nazi garbage.
That's definitely news to me. On the other hand, my column has appeared in both Pravda and The Boston Globe, two well-known organs of the global Neo-Nazi movement.

UPDATE: Assuming this is the same Seth Rutledge, and the other reviews suggest it is, this low-effort fake review appears to represent the first direct attack of the Art-SJWs doing what SJWs always do.

Last night Ethan asked about why SJWs behave the way they do, and I mentioned it was something I'd addressed in SJWs Always Double Down. Here is the relevant passage:
SJWs are creatures of pain. They are in a near-constant state of mild psychological distress, which is why so many of them are in therapy or on various psychotropic medications. This is why they are so sensitive, so fragile, and so prone to angry, incoherent rants for reasons that often seem inexplicable to others. They might well be pitied, were it not for the behavior that their suffering inspires in them.

Now, it may seem bizarre that individuals whose primary objective is to mitigate their emotional pain would make a habit of seeking out conflict, much less generating conflict where none previously existed. But that is because you are a normal, psychologically healthy individual whose normal state is not one of internal distress. It is only through conflict that the SJW can generate the feelings of moral superiority he requires in order to drown out his steady state of emotional pain. This is why the Narrative can never stop mutating and why no solution will ever suffice regardless of how perfectly it complies with SJW demands.

It also explains why SJWs are so relentlessly critical of others. In a paper entitled “Holding People Responsible for Ethical Violations: The Surprising Benefits of Accusing Others”, funded by the Wharton Behavioral Lab, researchers found that people who accuse others of unethical behavior can derive significant benefits from doing so. Compared to normal people who do not make a habit of accusing others of crimethink and other moral failures, accusers are perceived by others to have higher ethical standards. In one study, it was found that the act of making accusations increased trust in the accuser and lowered trust in the target. This is precisely the purpose of the disqualify and discredit routine that SJWs so often utilize. In a second study, it was found that making accusations tends to elevate trust in the accuser by boosting other people’s perceptions of the accuser’s ethical standards. And in a third study, it was found that accusations boosted trust in the accuser, decreased trust in the target, and even more significantly, promoted dissension within the group.

In other words, SJWs transfer their own emotional pain into making themselves feel more positive about themselves while simultaneously elevating their social status at the expense of others and at the cost of group harmony. This is why group after group, organization after organization, find that acceding to the demands of the SJWs in their midst inevitably generates more conflict, not less.
This explains why the moderate response to SJWs invariably fails. You cannot solve the problem of childhood obesity by giving the fat, screaming kid the candy for which he is screaming. All that acceding to SJW demands will accomplish is new and more outrageous SJW demands.

And this is also why it is simply false to claim that we are the "mirror image" of SJWs. We have literally nothing in common with them and it would be more accurate to say we are their polar opposites. Unlike their ever-shifting narratives, our standards do not change. We are psychologically strong and stable. We don't care what others do, so long as they don't interfere with our ability to do as we please.

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64 Comments:

Blogger James Dixon January 16, 2018 9:28 AM  

Reported for abuse as a direct attack on the author, and a false one.

Blogger Antony January 16, 2018 9:37 AM  

The accusation that "the Alt-Right are the mirror image of the SJWs" - seem largely to have come from the duplicitous liberal-leftist (and I understand, Jewish) Sargon of Akkad, who despite his intellectual pretensions, just uses a tactic of heaping loads of false accusations against his opponents.
It would be good to see a debate chaired by Tara McArthy between Vox and Sargon.

Anonymous Eduardo January 16, 2018 9:40 AM  

To me SJW's boil down to Feelings based Morality and Marxism resulting in what we see today.

Blogger Nate January 16, 2018 9:45 AM  

Signs of decline... UCLA tweeted this yesterday:

"When Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke at UCLA, students and alumni were inspired to joined in the effort to register voters in the South. "


Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 16, 2018 9:50 AM  

" seem largely to have come from the duplicitous liberal-leftist (and I understand, Jewish) Sargon of Akkad"

Also from the amazing atheist, and probably even earlier. "Muh horseshoe theory! Only the moderazzi are different, because the far right and far left bend back around to meet again!"

Garbage typical self-rationalization from garbage lukewarm moderates in their centrist "I don't like confrontation and I'll backstab you to avoid it" peponi.

Anonymous Faceless January 16, 2018 10:10 AM  

The horseshoe theory is very popular with Rush Limbaugh and the Dittoheads. He used it to slander the Ron Paul supporters all the time in 2008.

Blogger The Deuce January 16, 2018 10:13 AM  

This is also why SJW political messaging in fiction is always poisonous and always destroys its value as entertainment, but other political worldviews can be communicated through fiction without hurting it.

The SJW doesn't have a positive, coherent worldview to communicate. The SJW's worldview, such as it is, consists of attacking, tearing down, and passing judgement on everyone else. This is a large part of the reason why they can never build anything of beauty, but can only co-opt, undermine, deconstruct and destroy. In literature, this means their propaganda always comes off as bitter, heavy-handed, prosecutorial hectoring of the reader.

The other reason is that Social Justice is, by design, completely out of sync with human nature at every single point. The core of social justice is to declare human nature, and all the human differences that result from it, to be "problematic" social constructs.

Authors with positive political worldviews that are in harmony with the truth of human nature can get their message across in fiction simply by having their characters behave in a realistic, relatable human manner to the situations they put them in. The political message can be woven into the story in a believable manner without beating the reader over the head with it.

But the only way the SJW can get their message across in fiction is by having their characters behave in a manner totally out of sync with human nature, which renders them creepy and inhuman, and ensures that the political messaging comes off as overt ham-fisted agitprop. SJW characters occupy the literary equivalent of the Uncanny Valley.

Anonymous MaskettaMan January 16, 2018 10:14 AM  

It would not be good to see a debate between Sargon and anyone. Unless you're interested in learning how to defend a weak position with obfuscations, misdirections, constant demands for more information, and other wastes of time.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 16, 2018 10:15 AM  

So shrieking "racist" all the time is mental therapy, whod a thunk that?

But a true sophisticate like Seth Rutledge who cannot be seen to inhabit the lower levels of the left cult needs to preen and pose by shrieking "Stormer, Stormer" and /or "Neo-nazi, neo-nazi", proving to his fellow cultees he too has watched artsy type films and liked them.

Anonymous krymneth January 16, 2018 10:15 AM  

I'd expect "they're just the same as the other side" to fundamentally source from lazy thinking. Our culture holds that up as Deep Thinking (TM), so people who are intellectually lazy and reaching for the ability to signal they are Deep Thinkers will claim that whatever it is they are talking about are just the same thing under the hood. Goes way beyond SJWs and the Alt-Right; it's endemic of weak thinkers everywhere.

Particularly ironic when someone who has been programmed to pride themselves on their "nuance" claims this, as it is the opposite of demonstrating nuance.

(I also cringe a bit when I see people claim that atheism is just another religion; there is a sense in which that is true, but it requires convincing the reader to accept an uncommon definition of religion, effort better spent elsewhere, and it smacks of this sort of Deep Thinking (TM). By contrast, "progressivism as Christian heresy" enlightens the conversation and explains many things otherwise inexplicable. And even then, the claim is not that progressivism is Christianity, just that you can see the lineage clearly.)

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 16, 2018 10:18 AM  

The idea is implicit in any system of thought where opposites magically coalesce into a new compromise. Horseshoe theory fits, as does Hegelian dialectic. An intellectually limited moderate like Sargon seems unable to grasp that not only is the content of SJW anthought diametrically opposed to the empirical Alt-Right, the form, or basic epistemological assumptions, are as well. The sooner the false equivalencies of "balance" can buried, the better.

Anonymous krymneth January 16, 2018 10:22 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:So shrieking "racist" all the time is mental therapy, whod a thunk that?

In the sense that therapy ought to take some steps towards solving the problem, it actually isn't. It's a maladaptive behavior, one that you could even call addictive without stretching too far, that temporarily makes them feel better about themselves in the short term while making themselves feel much worse in the long term.

They are pitiable creatures, and it is a crime that so much effort is spent by our culture to turn people into people like this at the margins, because it takes people who might otherwise be healthy humans, and makes them dark, unhappy, mentally ill, toxic people destroying the civilization around them. Unfortunately, due to that last bit, we can't spare much pity for them.

One of the reasons why the SJW/progressive memeplex involves so much ignoring of reality in favor of narrative and words is that it has to, or it couldn't survive at all. One of the ways out of that trap is to say to yourself "This memeplex promises me that I will be a happier, better person if I believe these things and do these things. Am I actually a happy person?", realize the answer is "No", and start looking around at the alternatives. It is imperative for the progressive/SJW psychology that that question is never asked, that unhappiness and mental illness ideally be held up as a virtue, or the whole memeplex collapses.

It is, in some sense, the exact opposite of therapy, in that it is a vicious cycle that takes you farther from mental health.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 16, 2018 10:24 AM  

Poking the rage monkeys never gets old. It must be exhausting to live that way.

Anonymous Eduardo January 16, 2018 10:25 AM  

Hey! Sargon has an awesome voice and diction ò_ó!

And he likes to talk about stupid stuff! He's expert in Stupid!

Blogger Quilp January 16, 2018 10:31 AM  

I had done some reading on Political Correctness (Ken Minogue, Howard Schwartz), But When Obama mouthed his "we are the ones we've been waiting for" slogan, I had a feeling academic works, however well meaning, weren't going to be nearly enough, not by a long shot. That phrase truly shocked me to my core. I couldn't believe it was actually accepted and even lauded as valid political discourse.

It took me a while to find the Alt right. I seemed to only run into either Conservative inc, or the Alt retards (whether that is on purpose, I'll leave to theirs). But once I did find this site and others I realized immediately this was what I had been looking for: Careful observation of the enemy, a frank understanding of our own dire circumstances, The entire History of Western Civilization(Christianity) seen not as a weakness, but as the intellectual underpinning for fighting back.

And Fighting back is what it's all about. The SJW's will leave NO area of our lives be. So when people like EVS whine that Vox (Arkhaven) is no better than the SJW's, My only thought is: How do we make this person understand his position is one of surrender. One can understand he doesn't want a political battle on ground he holds sacred, but if things are left as they are now, he will soon be yakned off Youtube as offensive. He has a comfortable gig going mocking/criticizing..but is it effective? Fight the SJW's everywhere, at all times. To not confront them is to feed into their deeply needed belief that their positions are morally superior, and therefore the ends justify whatever means they choose to employ.

Blogger Desdichado January 16, 2018 10:46 AM  

Antony wrote:The accusation that "the Alt-Right are the mirror image of the SJWs" - seem largely to have come from the duplicitous liberal-leftist (and I understand, Jewish) Sargon of Akkad, who despite his intellectual pretensions, just uses a tactic of heaping loads of false accusations against his opponents.

It would be good to see a debate chaired by Tara McArthy between Vox and Sargon.

It's much older than that—it goes at least as far back as false contrasts between the Nazis and the communists.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 16, 2018 10:47 AM  

OT, but it wouldn't surprise me if Twitter management has been supplying the Pedos in PedoWood with some/all of the nude photos sent by underage individuals on Twitter.

Blogger Lazarus January 16, 2018 11:01 AM  

The Canadian woman that wrote "handmaid's Tale" (Margaret Atwood) is being excoriated by Canadian SJW's for thinking #meetoo is going too far.

So much shadenfreude, so little time.

Anonymous Frank Lin January 16, 2018 11:06 AM  

"The accusation that "the Alt-Right are the mirror image of the SJWs" - seem largely to have come from the duplicitous liberal-leftist (and I understand, Jewish) Sargon of Akkad..."

It's a pretty natural thing to assume if you don't think it through. I'm sure Sargon is not the only source of this idea.

Blogger Artisanal Toad January 16, 2018 11:11 AM  

In one study, it was found that the act of making accusations increased trust in the accuser and lowered trust in the target.

Foundational to all divorce attorney counseling for women.

Blogger David The Good January 16, 2018 11:20 AM  

A shame. Seth's art is simply amazing.

Blogger JACIII January 16, 2018 11:20 AM  

The Whaaaaaanglin crowd just can't quit you. You scarred them.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 16, 2018 11:27 AM  

"The idea is implicit in any system of thought where opposites magically coalesce into a new compromise. Horseshoe theory fits"

It fits if they're inane enough to fail to realize that their supposed "center" (really their imagination of it) is just them being as anti-authoritarian as possible, while both of the opposing sides are more authoritarian than their faceless/baseless along-for-the-ride facade politics. So, strongly agreed on that count.

"I also cringe a bit when I see people claim that atheism is just another religion; there is a sense in which that is true, but it requires convincing the reader to accept an uncommon definition of religion"

You cringe in error. The words "religion" and "tradition" are virtually synonymous. Atheism is certainly a tradition. This is a very common definition, not an awkward niche perspective, regardless of how atheists would like to dodge it.

From the angle of not making the conversation any better... you have a point. If it's mostly atheists, you're just spitting into the wind, as their belief systems requires them to deny it. Admittedly it's probably more effective to just point out that they're on an ego/rage trip or that they're perceptually handicapped. The tack I've taken in the past of pointing out that their logic is just bullshit slaved to their feels, basically never works for the same tautological-denial reasons, and the fact that their self-inspection mechanism is also slaved to their feels.

Blogger VD January 16, 2018 11:31 AM  

The Whaaaaaanglin crowd just can't quit you. You scarred them.

Gammas. What else is new.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora January 16, 2018 12:02 PM  

Funny thing about horse shoe theory is it can be turned on the 'moderates' who like using it. It ignores the given rationale for nationalism and claims that the real world practical results would be tyrannical or collectivist. The same could be said, with a greater degree of certainty, for ignoring the central importance of demographics to the future of the freedom they pretend to care about so much. Of course horse shoe theory is bull, but it's worth throwing in their faces. It doesn't help they primarily debate really stupid pan racial 'nationalists' and bloat their egos with easy wins.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 16, 2018 12:17 PM  

The accusation that "the Alt-Right are the mirror image of the SJWs" - seem largely to have come from the duplicitous liberal-leftist (and I understand, Jewish) Sargon of Akkad

Sooner or later people will figure this out, but when Sargon points out that the Alt-Right are the mirror image of SJWs, he is talking about the Fake Right, the gamma brigade who swarms him constantly like they do everyone. Difference is, Vox ignores them. After all, Spencer doesn't believe in individual rights, he believes in socialist aristocracy. Greg Johnson believes in legislating and compelling virtue.

Sargon is more Alt-Right than Spencer.

Anonymous krymneth January 16, 2018 12:22 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:The words "religion" and "tradition" are virtually synonymous

You proved my point; to show atheism as a religion, you must first convince the reader to accept an uncommon definition of "religion". That is not a statement the "man on the street" will consider a correct definition of "religion"; the man on the street will correctly observe that "taking the day off on July 4th" is an American tradition, but is not part of any religion. (And if you try to convince him that "well, patriotism is just another religion" you're in for an even worse time.)

Definition-chopping is weak argument juju anyhow. Mutilating denotations in an attempt to stretch one of the connotations with that mutilation is easily dispelled by your reader simply declining to follow you. You really ought to be marshaling arguments, be their rhetoric or dialect, that can't be countered simply by someone saying "I decline."

Blogger Lazarus January 16, 2018 12:26 PM  

20. Blogger David The Good January 16, 2018 11:20 AM
A shame. Seth's art is simply amazing.


Notice he has dual citizenship (if it is the same guy).
He has to go back. To which one, I have no idea.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 16, 2018 12:38 PM  

No, krymneth, you very well should question and challenge commonly held definitions and particularly when they are found to be lacking. This was the entire career of Socrates and a foundation of philosophy, on the one hand.

On the other, take your position here. You haven't suggested what is the commonly understood definition of religion, so let me suggest that it is this:

"Religion is a belief system based on gods or gods."

And that is what the atheist is commonly meant to stand against. But note, in Buddhism there are no gods at all. So, is Buddhism then not a religion? Well it commonly is thought to be one and very much so. How can that be, then? Something is amiss and lacking about the commonly held definitions. That's what.

Blogger Edgar Abbey January 16, 2018 12:47 PM  

I see some parallels between SJWs as described here and the socialist characters described by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead, especially the character of Ellsworth Toohey in the Fountainhead. This is a character of intense self loathing who seeks to tear down anyone around him who strives to innovate and build.

Anonymous krymneth January 16, 2018 1:02 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:You haven't suggested what is the commonly understood definition of religion, so let me suggest that it is this:

I decline your definition.

Blogger wreckage January 16, 2018 1:08 PM  

To demonstrate that SJWism is not a mirror image no more or less evil than its opposite, I suggest the following:

Read "Tithe to Tartarus" by John C Wright (so far the whole Dark Avenger's Sidekick is great).

Now imagine in place of explicitly Christian/Catholic symbols it had explicitly SJW ones.

It would be transformed from intense, thrilling, and emotional to boredom and banality so thick you could it with a knife.

Anonymous Jeff January 16, 2018 1:15 PM  

So shrieking "racist" all the time is mental therapy

SJWs Always Project.

Anonymous Unite the Right January 16, 2018 1:19 PM  

Vox: since it's already part of your brand, you *should* write for the Daily Stormer. The quality of DS writing is excellent, funny has hell, and mostly aligns with your own teaching. You would find a receptive audience there for your books and comics. Embrace and amplify.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 16, 2018 1:22 PM  

So shrieking "racist" all the time is mental therapy

More like mental masturbation.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable January 16, 2018 1:35 PM  

The fundamental problem with the "horseshoe theory" is that its foundation is the false assumption that the far left is demonstrated by Soviet Communism and the far right by Nazi fascism, which we all know to be a false dichotomy. See https://study.com/academy/lesson/criticism-of-the-horseshoe-theory.html

While it may be true that extreme political movements of any type share certain characteristics that does not mean they those elements make them similar in any substantive way. Reptiles and mammals breath air, eat food, need hydration since they are both alive, but they are radically different life forms.

Blogger Lance E January 16, 2018 1:36 PM  

Clucky moderates think that you're the "mirror image" of SJWs because they still cannot bring themselves to see the difference between the Alt-Right and the Alt-Retard, because to do so would be to admit that MUH HORSESHOE THEORY is complete nonsense and quite literally destroy their fragile ego that is based on their self-image as "the only sane person in the room".

Blogger Beau January 16, 2018 1:39 PM  

Krymneth for the thread win:

They are pitiable creatures, and it is a crime that so much effort is spent by our culture to turn people into people like this at the margins, because it takes people who might otherwise be healthy humans, and makes them dark, unhappy, mentally ill, toxic people destroying the civilization around them.

Yes, absolutely yes.

Blogger Cheeta January 16, 2018 1:40 PM  

Reported review for abuse, twice.

Blogger VD January 16, 2018 1:47 PM  

Vox: since it's already part of your brand, you *should* write for the Daily Stormer. The quality of DS writing is excellent, funny has hell, and mostly aligns with your own teaching. You would find a receptive audience there for your books and comics. Embrace and amplify.

It's not a part of my brand and I am not interested in writing for Fake Right lefties.

Blogger DonReynolds January 16, 2018 2:17 PM  

The Leftist SJWs are not difficult to understand. Most parents get it. The SJWs engage in tantrums and the louder and more extreme they are, the more everyone bows and scrapes, caving to every demand, no matter how ridiculous. In Loco Parentis on college campuses are the worst "parents" of all. They actually encourage bad behaviors, by clearing a path for them and rewarding them with toys and goodies that are never provided to the well-behaved children. AND we will see even more of this behavior and it will become even more extreme and the demands will become even more outlandish...until adult supervision steps up. Yes, precious may even get a few spankings. She may even threaten to kill herself or hold her breath until she turns blue in the face or jump down a flight of stairs or torment the house cat or break some of mommy's things.

It becomes a test of will and patience. The SJWs will try to shorten the fuse by violent and destructive behaviors. They may push adult supervision to cave by obvious cost-benefit analysis. Yes, very often it is cheaper to just give the brat a two-cent sucker rather than have all the china get broken when your back is turned. Either let them do as they please or they will set the couch on fire with matches.

This is not the time to cave. If you cave now, it will only be more difficult (or impossible) to recover adult supervision later. If you cave in....they will run your life, and everyone else's, for the rest of their friggin lives. Surrender means being enslaved to punks.

Anonymous Random #57 January 16, 2018 2:42 PM  

@35. TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable:

"The fundamental problem with the "horseshoe theory" is that its foundation is the false assumption that the far left is demonstrated by Soviet Communism and the far right by Nazi fascism"

Many if not most of the people I see using the theory put the "religious Right" on the opposite site of the Communists. It's really hard to understate the effectiveness of anti-Christian propaganda in the US.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 16, 2018 3:20 PM  

I don't want to cave to SJW I want them to burn their house down.

That idiot Seth doesn't believe for a second that Vox is a Nazi, hell that idiot has less chance of defining Nazi than Anglin, go ahead ask Seth

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 16, 2018 3:20 PM  


Vox: since it's already part of your brand, you *should* write for the Daily Stormer. The quality of DS writing is excellent, funny has hell, and mostly aligns with your own teaching.


Literally nothing you wrote is true

Blogger tublecane January 16, 2018 4:01 PM  

@7-Even if your politics are out of line with Truth and reality, you can still make good art. You'd just be making it in spite of your views.

Problem with SJWs is basically that they can't ever not be pushing their politics. There's no leftover space, and no opportunity to be good in spite of it. Everything's subordinate to the political purpose.

Good propagandists couch their messages in something otherwise appealing, so that mere propaganda from non-SJWs is preferable to SJW art.

Blogger tublecane January 16, 2018 4:14 PM  

@26-Not every argument has to be pitched to the Man in the Street, or whatever lower level you have in mind. "Religion" as tradition isn't all that obscure. To use your example, I'm fairly certain I've heard phrases like the "religion of patriotism" or the "American religion," meaning our historical civic worldview.

This is not definition-chopping or connotation-stretching. If not the Man in the Street, people use "religion" to refer to things that traditionally bind people together. It's not limited to Ivory Towers or dishonest intellectuals. Everyday political discourse is chockablock full of people referring to things not strictly religious as a religion.

Blogger Lovekraft January 16, 2018 4:28 PM  

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Blogger Lovekraft January 16, 2018 4:32 PM  

I often get the feeling that Islam is designed (?) to serve as a blunt stick with which to corral and prod their enemies. These victims then go out and find something weaker/honorable because the bully (Islam) created an impotent rage in them.

How many times through history did this play out? Take Stalin's purge/mass extermination. Was he just 'evil' with no force pushing him? No.

Reminds me of the Roger Waters lyric:

"The Germans killed the Jews,
and the Jew killed the Arabs,
and the Arabs killed the hostages.
And that is the news.
Is it any wonder, that the monkey's confused?"

Blogger tublecane January 16, 2018 5:04 PM  

@35-"extreme political movements of any type share certain characteristics"

Yes: they are extreme. But what does that imply? Not much, in itself. Extremism has its uses. There are also drawbacks, but that's true of everything.

There are people who take liberalism and conservatism too seriously, but no human being of which I'm aware considers either absolute goods. They're merely preferred tendencies, because "They all laughed at Columbus" (if you're liberal) or "How many potential Columbuses could possibly be justified?" (if you're conservative). Moderates don't appear to believe moderation merely tends to be good, but actually is an absolute good. Which is a weird way to think.

Correction, as above posters have pointed out, it's a lazy way to think. Such thought issues forth from those overconfident in the ruling order. But what if the ruling order were evil? Couldn't extremism in opposition to evil be good? Like the rebels in Star Wars are supposed to be good?

The Great Liberal Consensus of mid-20th century America, which I assume many moderates think is still in force (it was in fact torn asunder by proto-SJWs), was predicated on all manner of extremism. Christianity, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the American Revolution, the Civil War, WWII, the civil rights movement, and so forth. People raised amidst would realize this if they stopped to think about it, but don't feel it and are apt to forget. Especially when faced with novel forms of extremism.

They mistake everything that isn't within the confines of the Overton Window second-to-second as bad. Forgetting or not noticing how many times the damn window has shifted back and forth. I bring up the Liberal Consensus because it is the most recent consensus in which regular people believed. They suffer PC, but they don't believe in it. They think there's something solid to rest back upon, but really it's just more politics. Politics that for a time weren't less tendentious, mostly because enough brains were successfully cooked down in the Melting Pot.

Apart from the Golden Mean, I can't explain this delusion. A theory I've kicked around is that it's a post-Enlightenment tic, branching out from the methods of scientific inquiry and "critical thinking." It goes along with the facts/value distinction. People have been overtaught to suspend judgement, to the point that they think such suspension is an ideal in itself. Which doesn't prevent them from judging up a storm, but they are safe so long as they're judging from received opinion. Because that doesn't feel like taking a side.

SJWs take a side, and so does the alt-right. Moderates are taking a side that political extremists managed to compel society to accept day before yesterday, but moderates don't think about that. Just like they don't think about the fact that, for instance, "extremist" priests burnt Galileo at the stake (not really, but that's how it was in the public consciousness) for his own extremism. Both the Church and Galileo were "extreme," but somehow one was good and the other bad to moderate opinion. Why? Don't ask them, whatever else you do.

Blogger tublecane January 16, 2018 5:10 PM  

@41-The association between the "religious right" and fascism has been drilled into people's heads. See: the authoritarian personality.

Communism and the religious right actually are on opposite extremes in the sense that the former are stereotypically atheists and the latter theists. But aside from that, they're just welding old anti-nazi distortions onto insufficiently leftist Christians.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 16, 2018 6:29 PM  

@33  I second that recommendation.  Anglin is promoting imperialism, which is the source of many ills we're fighting now.  Vox would demolish those arguments easily.

@39  But will they stay Fake-right lefties?  Getting access to the DS readership would be a huge coup and could change the direction of many you call alt-retard.  Anglin's platform is much bigger than VP.  Co-opting it is something Trump might do.

As an alternative, if you have someone who can re-cast your position for that audience you should try to get them in.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 16, 2018 6:36 PM  

@33  I second that recommendation.  Anglin is promoting imperialism, which is the source of many ills we're fighting now.  Vox would demolish those arguments easily.

@39  But will they stay Fake-right lefties?  Getting access to the DS readership would be a huge coup and could change the direction of many you call alt-retard.  Anglin's platform is much bigger than VP.  Co-opting it is something Trump might do.

As an alternative, if you have someone who can re-cast your position for that audience you should offer to do it.

Blogger James Dixon January 16, 2018 7:32 PM  

> As an alternative, if you have someone who can re-cast your position for that audience you should offer to do it.

Some wells are too poisoned to draw water from.

Blogger VD January 16, 2018 7:53 PM  

Anglin's platform is much bigger than VP.

No, it's not. You've bought into Anglin's self-inflation playbook.

Blogger VD January 16, 2018 7:57 PM  

VP had 104,256 Google pageviews yesterday. I can prove it beyond any doubt. How many pageviews did the Daily Stormer have yesterday.

Until you can cite precise Google pageviews, and prove them, zip it. You have nothing.

John Scalzi used to get TWO MILLION PAGEVIEWS per month too, remember?

Blogger tz January 16, 2018 8:14 PM  

Meanwhile, avoiding SJW convergence has become a Herculean task
The converged places are worse horse shit holes than the Augean stables.

Anonymous Didas Kalos January 16, 2018 8:26 PM  

It appears that it's only a matter of time before someone authors a book: SJW's Are All Demon Possessed. By necessity.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 16, 2018 9:54 PM  

"You proved my point; to show atheism as a religion, you must first convince the reader to accept an uncommon definition of "religion"."

It is not an uncommon definition. Even if it were, it can easily be shown to be religious in nature via several other means, such as pointing out that atheism is based on presuppositions that cannot be proven to any degree. You are lying.

"That is not a statement the "man on the street" will consider a correct definition of "religion"; the man on the street will correctly observe that "taking the day off on July 4th" is an American tradition, but is not part of any religion."

No, he will be incorrect as you are. Patriotism is indeed a systematized, traditional set of beliefs and behaviors. Abiding by them is religious observance by strict definition. You are arbitrarily attempting to narrow an accurate definition by asserting that most people would not immediately reach that conclusion. You're appealing to bandwagon rationalization via an assumption of what you'd expect from a random person, and you're trying to pretend that most people aren't idiots and/or mistaken on many issues. Your argument is literally your own manifest bias on the issue.

Blogger Rashadjin January 16, 2018 10:24 PM  

@54 Didas Kalos

Something more like ideologically possessed in that the ideology gives them the reasons to be outraged in order to fulfill their emotional addictions which then feeds back into perpetuating the ideology in ye ol' vicious cycle, but same difference.

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I'm a bit out of it, but all the talk about horseshoe theory makes me want to put out some thinking that I'm still refining anyways.

The horseshoe theory/polar equivalence is sort of an expected result from the old dualism philosophies/theologies - yin and yang layered over politics. That old, all-to-common mantra about finding 'balance' between all things, like druids attending to the balance of nature. Or finding balance in the Force a la Star Wars (Hinduism). It's what we get for allowing people to believe that good cannot exist without the presence of evil and vice versa. I'd say the correct belief is that good can't exist without the possibility of evil where the presence of evil is optional and undesired so screw 'balance', but that's opening up an old can of worms.

The modern incarnation is that lefties see themselves as the 'good' side and so their crazy extreme on the left becomes the equivalent to the 'bad' side's crazy extreme on the right via the inherent belief that the 'good' side can't be worse than the 'bad' side. Basically, you can blame Star Wars' Light and Dark Side of the Force plus general moral relativism for priming the Western audience to be like 'Of course the extreme's are equivalent. Duh!'

It's been layered into the West's media consumption for a long, long time. Pretty much been with the West forever as far as the philosophy goes. It'd be nice if we finally got around to purging it for being a cross between mystical nonsense and a misunderstanding of what the yin/yang duality is actually about, but I'm not holding my breath.

Blogger tublecane January 16, 2018 11:35 PM  

@56-As messed up as the Star Wars prequels are,cat least they made it so that bringing "balance" to the force meant killing the Emperor and Darth Vader either being redeemed or dying himself. (He didn't live long enough for us to see whether he could be a Jedi again.) That left only Luke (and potentially his sister) as a force-user, and he was a good guy.

Balance wasn't presented as good and evil in equal measure. When balance was struck, the two evil guys were dead, and only the good guy remained.

Anonymous tublecane January 16, 2018 11:49 PM  

@56-I don't know what you're talking about with Star Wars. Bringing "balance" to the force is clearly spelled out as killing the Emperor and Darth Vader redeeming himself/dying. (He didn't live long enough for us to know if he had to die, or if he could have switched back to the Light Side.)

Bad guys: dead. Only good guy (and his sister) left: alive. That's balance. All good.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 17, 2018 10:48 AM  

VD wrote:VP had 104,256 Google pageviews yesterday. I can prove it beyond any doubt. How many pageviews did the Daily Stormer have yesterday.
I can't find anything with daily stats available to the public.  VP's Alexa ranking is 60k-something, DS is 42k-something worldwide and that's with less than 3 months at the .RED domain.

DS appeals to people because of the style (memes are fun) and fearless breaking of taboos, but introducing some intellectual meat there would get it in front of an audience that would likely never visit VP.  You are largely preaching to the choir here; new eyeballs would help.

Who knows, you might even convert Anglin.  Wouldn't that be a coup?  But something as basic as spreading the SJWAL meme would help in the culture war.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 17, 2018 2:31 PM  

Update:  Anglin is claiming 3 million uniques a month.  Page views would be a multiple of that, no?

https://gab.ai/AndrewAnglin/posts/18073180

Blogger VD January 17, 2018 3:30 PM  

Update: Anglin is claiming 3 million uniques a month. Page views would be a multiple of that, no?

I don't care what Anglin claims. It is totally irrelevant. Exaggerating his influence is literally part of his playbook.

VP's Alexa ranking is 60k-something, DS is 42k-something worldwide and that's with less than 3 months at the .RED domain.

My Alexa rank has been as high as 4k. It's an utterly bullshit measure. The VFM and I can bounce it at will.

You are largely preaching to the choir here; new eyeballs would help.

You clearly do not understand what I am doing here at all. I prefer quality to quantity, and the DS readership is observably on the other side of the communications gap.

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