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Monday, January 01, 2018

Defensive telecommuting

Sarah Hoyt predicts an increase in defensive telecommuting due to the expected rise in the number of false accusations of sexual harassment:
One of the predictions I’m seeing everywhere, for instance, is how now Human Resources will need a lot more power over companies to prevent more #metoo incidents of sexual importuning of women.

The funny thing about this is that anyone with two eyes and a modicum of understanding of the world knows that this is not where the crazy is headed. As the attempt to drown out the legitimate cases of harassment – mostly by leftists, in leftist-dominated institutions – by claiming #metoo and that all men were essentially harassers became more frantic, it has become obvious that any man can be accused of harassment at any time by anyone.

So, here is a genuine prediction: I predict that instead of giving HR more power, this will give companies pause before hiring women, which will lead to a lot of decent and qualified women being left unemployed.

The second-order effect of that, for companies that can’t avoid hiring women, is two-fold: they’ll either hire women to “make-believe” positions, in which they interact only or primarily with other women, creating a drain on the bottom line, or they will allow a lot more work-at-home by both men and women.  I predict we’ll see a great move towards that in the next year.
It's true that at this point, any man would have to either be insane or incredibly short-sighted to hire or voluntarily work with a woman in any role that involved direct physical contact. The Left is trying to set up its usual "heads I win, tails you lose" situation here, but as we all know, a no-win situation is just another way to spell "carte blanche".

And giving more power to HR to cure corporate ills is akin to prescribing two packs a day to someone already suffering from lung cancer.

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Blogger Jimmy Glover January 01, 2018 8:05 AM  

It happened to blacks also. I have heard this more times than I can count:

I won't hire someone I can't fire.

Anonymous 8859 ways ro be adorable January 01, 2018 8:25 AM  

I'm going to show your comment to the company pres/CEO tomorrow.

Thank you.

Anonymous Anonymous January 01, 2018 8:27 AM  

Ironically enough, we will likely alao see an implementation of the Mike Pence rule, where men (especially bosses) are unwilling to meet with women alone.

And indeed, if that happens, what irony: a return to something like traditional male / female interactions all because feminism eats itself.

MOTW
www.manofthewest.net

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 01, 2018 8:42 AM  

Every woman and minority at Google, Facebook and Amazon are being harassed because woman and minority.

Blogger Johnny January 01, 2018 8:50 AM  

Before the PC stuff got crazy it was a rule amoung teachers around here to never be alone in a room with a student with the door shut. Stated as sexually neutral, as usual it was mainly a hazard for male teachers with female students. Given where we are I would think it would be a good rule that if a man wants to touch a women, he it during off time, not at work. I don't know, leave all office doors permanently open?

Crazy where we are. I can't turn TV on anymore without getting irritated.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 01, 2018 8:50 AM  

A slight correction to my last post, Hindu don't hires the Dindu so no harassment there.

Blogger tuberman January 01, 2018 8:52 AM  

#METOO = Unintended consequences. It's part way born from desperation anyway, as bribe and promotion money dries up. This HR involvement is to keep the attacks focused on patriarchy and the Right, but this is just defensive...and their troops are now just filling sandbags.

The consequences will focus wrath on female victim card playing much faster than would have happened as long as it stayed in private or hidden within companies and industries. It is public now, and in public notice.

Anonymous Man of the Atom January 01, 2018 8:56 AM  

Pence Rule for the win, in more ways than one.

Blogger tuberman January 01, 2018 9:08 AM  

"... which will lead to a lot of decent and qualified women being left unemployed."

Over 90% of the decent and qualified women have been playing the game of victim card also, and actually believe they have a right to do this.

What is necessary is to get rid of all regulations that support foreign and minority hiring especially for new companies, and then track what happens. How many "middlemen" do nothing companies, draining the blood of the economy will disappear? Many corporations do all their hiring using layered (often two or three layers) of these parasites to get people ...because minority rules and other regulations.

Blogger tuberman January 01, 2018 9:11 AM  

OT

Happy New Year Everyone!

Blogger The Observer January 01, 2018 9:18 AM  

"... which will lead to a lot of decent and qualified women being left unemployed."

Men die in war, women hardest hit.

Blogger APL January 01, 2018 9:27 AM  

"... which will lead to a lot of decent and qualified women being left unemployed."

Just waiting for those empowered go gettin' girls to set up women only companies.

Any moment now .....

Blogger Otto Lamp January 01, 2018 9:30 AM  

My company recently moved to a new building.

All the office doors are clear glass. The meeting rooms, the manager's offices, everything. There is no private space.

Blogger The Observer January 01, 2018 9:33 AM  

Just waiting for those empowered go gettin' girls to set up women only companies.

Any moment now .....


There was a woman who tried to start up a woman's-only media company, if I'm not wrong.

It dissolved rather quickly in a swamp of sniping and catfighting.

Blogger Otto Lamp January 01, 2018 9:33 AM  

"So, here is a genuine prediction: I predict that instead of giving HR more power, this will give companies pause before hiring women, which will lead to a lot of decent and qualified women being left unemployed."

HR is staffed by women. They won't avoid hiring women, and any attempt to suggest they should avoid hiring women (even by the head of the company) will be met be a shitstorm.

Blogger Not a lefty January 01, 2018 9:35 AM  

I used to play in a band with a very young (~25), very good looking and charismatic high school music teacher. I asked him about getting hit on by students. He said it happened at least weekly and every time, he made a bee-line to the principal's office. These snotty little bitches didn't like rejection and often made false allegations. This was at least 15 years ago. I'm not sure how this would go over today if he were still the young stud teacher.

Anonymous qualitycontrol January 01, 2018 9:37 AM  

>Just waiting for those empowered go gettin' girls to set up women only companies.

I don't think this is a good idea. Women will find a way to make their jobs miserable and their company fail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

Blogger DonReynolds January 01, 2018 9:39 AM  

I do not need to imagine the kind of world where sexual harassment is difficult. All I have to do is shut my eyes and remember back to when it was not a coed world. Yes, it was not that long ago and much of my adult life was spent there.

There was a time when men and women seldom went to the same colleges. I had to scan the list of colleges, looking for the term "coeducational". Private schools used to be particularly prone to being only for men or only for women. Even at public universities with a long history of coed classes and programs, still had the dreaded Dean of Women, with very broad authority to protect "her" girls. (She was never the social libertine feminist....more like church lady with unquestioned authority.) No, it was never considered unconstitutional, or wrong, or discriminatory. (Remember....the Equal Rights Amendment was never ratified.)

Working was also a "man's world" and it looked it, even the office setting. Painted concrete floors, spartan gray metal office furniture, and no house plants or curtains on the windows. Only the higher ups had female secretaries. Middle management and supervisors had male clerks, much like in the old Army. (No, there were no women in the military....just some specialized support occupations in auxiliary corps, like nursing, and nursing, and nursing.) Yes, it was a different world, but it actually existed during my lifetime.

All of this is made much easier with modern technology....fax, email, messenger, smart phones. It is no longer necessary for people to be in the same room, or building, or city, or state, or country in order to work together. And the employer has never found it so easy to monitor every contact, record every encounter, document every implied sexual suggestion or innuendo or invite or offer. No, there is no privacy in the workplace and anything you EVER say or do can be faithfully stored for decades and reviewed and compared. Words and phrases that mean nothing today may come to mean a great deal in the future. Those same overly sensitive Iranian grandmothers that are used to monitor comments in social media and blogs, will be the same ones hired to chaperone the work place in the very near future.

Guess who is going to be the BIG LOSER in this situation? No, it is not going to be the men.

Blogger CM January 01, 2018 9:51 AM  

Just waiting for those empowered go gettin' girls to set up women only companies.

Any moment now .....


Even if I had the ability to start a business and the chops to be successful, I wouldn't do this.

I was in a sorority. It was awful.

Blogger DonReynolds January 01, 2018 9:53 AM  

Otto Lamp wrote:"So, here is a genuine prediction: I predict that instead of giving HR more power, this will give companies pause before hiring women, which will lead to a lot of decent and qualified women being left unemployed."

HR is staffed by women. They won't avoid hiring women, and any attempt to suggest they should avoid hiring women (even by the head of the company) will be met be a shitstorm.


Very good, Otto. You are correct.
If the pissed off feminists are going to respond at all, it will be to stop letting men get on the qualified list, to be interviewed. Expect a lot of ....does not meet minimum qualifications or incomplete application or missed deadline. Yes, it is sabotage.

Also expect HR to demand broader authority to assign seating, committee assignments, office space, break rooms, parking spaces, and photocopiers. They would find it difficult to purge the company of men, but they can make things at least inconvenient for anyone who is a man in the women space. (So go by HR soon and tell the lady in charge that you are a homosexual. Maybe you will be spared the need to isolate and quarantine you from the innocent wimmin.)

Blogger Cubby8126 January 01, 2018 9:59 AM  

Frankly any time i hear about or deal with HR it always boils down to them beibg irrelevant or not actually doing anything for the employees. In short, HR is aids

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 01, 2018 10:01 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:Expect a lot of ....does not meet minimum qualifications or incomplete application or missed deadline.
Expect a lot of HR's functions to be done by software.  Incomplete application?  Applicant is notified immediately.  Missed deadline?  Not by the time-stamp.

Yes, it is sabotage.
A few or even one false claim on the record is cause for termination.  Stupid, entitled women won't cover their tracks well enough.  HR will be easy to clean out.

Blogger Lovekraft January 01, 2018 10:04 AM  

Recently spoke to a fried who mentioned a prior co-worker.

This co-worker has recently taken on a new career: reviewing and sanitizing people's social media presence. I asked whether there is enough demand to sustain her and she replied that, yes, there is a growing demand for such a service.

I countered with 'how about we develop ways to neutralize the need to do this, by (echoing VD) not caring about people's pasts as long as it's not in any way illegal.

Basically, she had no answer for this. The sway of the social justice mob is still too strong (think 8 years of Obama's shakedown rackets as a multi-million dollar industry, intertwined in our corporate and gov'tal structures).

Anonymous Anonymous January 01, 2018 10:09 AM  

I was reading reviews on a game a couple of years ago. One reviewer talked about he and friends playing biweekly for half a year. The girlfriends usually came along and did their own thing while the men (5-6) played. During the course of the game, you collect and can play cards labeled "backstab." These cards help you while hindering your opponents. When the men played one of these, there were chuckles, mild swearing, the occasional headslap, etc.

One day the women said they'd like to play. Why not? The men set back to watch. The game was nice and friendly, chatting, cooperation amongst the players to shared goals, until...

Yes, that first backstab card was played. The reviewer wrote, "at that point, the game went silent. I had never seen the nice women we dated become so snippy, vindicative, and outright mean. Backstabs were flying, and several times, we thought a catfight was in the making."

Anonymous Anonymous January 01, 2018 10:15 AM  

I am in the teaching business. I work in a religious private school.

I would never be in a room alone with any student even with the doors wide open. Just not worth the risk. (plus my wife demands it as protection for us)

Getting older does not protect one either; especially if you work with younger students ever.

We have reached the point where a mere accusation is enough to have a man destroyed. Hell, in a few years we might start execution of men based on a mere accusation.

This "toxic masculinity" they preach in college now -- will soon be a PhD path.

Anonymous P_Ang January 01, 2018 10:23 AM  

I was just recently fired from a job due to "sexual harassment." A pretty female friend of mine who sat next to me bragged that she was constantly assigned men for her internal certification processes, and that she could "make them come running." I said "maybe if I had a bra I could get some certs knocked out." She laughed. Two weeks later she told one of the company feminazis who had been moved by the company FOUR TIMES due to "harassment" the "joke." That woman complained and I was immediately called before HR, who actually had the audacity to comment that I was a "rapist" who was clearly the equal of Weinstein and "all the others in the news." Two weeks after that I was written up for harassment and fired for stating what was essentially the truth. It's the first job I have EVER been fired from in 30 years of work. It CAN happen to you, and it can be just as innocuous, just as innocent, or just as accurate.

Blogger DonReynolds January 01, 2018 10:41 AM  

The impression I get is that companies are going to find it too easy to share information on individual employees and past social media comments will become part of that digital "personnel folder". There was a time when the private life was just that. Nobody was interested in your hobbies, politics, and chat rooms as long as you show up on time, dress the part, and do your work. Now even exceptional employees can have their careers and pensions at risk because of "affiliations" or "associations", completely unrelated to work performance.

This trend probably originated back when companies would drop an employee over divorce, or being discovered as homosexual, or a pot arrest, or participating in a protest.

For me, it started when the Boston Police Department decided they would terminate police officers because they smoked cigarettes AT HOME. They certainly had the ability to ban smoking at work but when they decided they could ban smoking at home....we crossed the line into another domain. They could just as easily add alcohol to the list, or meat, or carbs, or forbidden publications. Once the employer feels they can micromanage what the employees do when they are not at work, then we are returning to another kind of tyranny. WE need to be more reluctant about owning everything about a person because of where they work.

If tons of private information can be shared between employers, then it would be certainly acceptable for landlords, or police departments, or animal control, or internet providers. The individual in question may never know what information is being shared, much less being allowed to question or challenge the accuracy or truth of the information, or have any say over how it is handled.

We have already fought this battle over health records and credit reporting.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 01, 2018 10:47 AM  

The impression I get is that companies are going to find it too easy to share information on individual employees and past social media comments will become part of that digital "personnel folder".

I was talking to a CEO yesterday and his comment was that they need to be very careful what they say about ex-employees because of the fear of lawsuits.

Basically anything more than "Yes, that person worked here between date A and date B" can get you into trouble. Of course, CEOs and senior execs can talk but they are probably not going to say much to another company's HR dept.

However, I think that once HR departments fire competent men for sexual harassment or whatever, the companies will come to regret it.

Blogger DonReynolds January 01, 2018 11:00 AM  

@27 Crew
"I was talking to a CEO yesterday and his comment was that they need to be very careful what they say about ex-employees because of the fear of lawsuits."

Every state has their own slander/libel laws, so the question of privilege varies from one state to the next. But....in my own state, there are several broad categories of persons who can lawfully provide false information about you (libel and slander) due to their privilege under the law. Former employers are at the top of the list, your former teachers and professors, ministers, and landlords. They closed off the comments by mental health and medical practitioners by making health records confidential. They have strict regulation of credit reporting and you have the right to know what is being reported and can challenge that information. But for those with a lawful privilege, you are not entitled to know what was communicated nor can you act to restrict the distribution nor can you challenge that privilege, even with the argument that it was malicious.

Employment contracts sometimes modify arrangements between employer and employee. Some firms may specify that they follow the laws of the State of Delaware, since they were incorporated there, but these would be private agreements.

Blogger pyrrhus January 01, 2018 11:04 AM  

There is already a lot of remote work going on in IT. One of my kids is doing that, though he has to go in to the office sometimes. The other approach that has been implemented by some businesses is not to hire any women, which is pretty easy to do in some fields.

Anonymous Flyerofplanes January 01, 2018 11:12 AM  

already there.
1. managed a tech firm of 13 STEM staff + office staff + bookkeeper. All competent women. 2 years of unbelievable petty high school girl actions. atrophied back to 2 front office females, 1 female (she was not an attractive nor nice person) in the back with 6+ males. damn near bliss. production up by 1/3 +/-
2. uber-lib feminist pal managed an office of 16 females (publishing) + one homosexual receptionist. the receptionist was the only easy one. She ended up shutting it down to avoid the lawsuits. She and I compared the experiences, and both came to the same unspoken conclusion.
we both remote or outsource now, no office/staff per se.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 01, 2018 11:32 AM  

Otto Lamp wrote:My company recently moved to a new building.

All the office doors are clear glass. The meeting rooms, the manager's offices, everything. There is no private space.


Wait for this to become common, and then there's an active shooter.

Blogger Troushers January 01, 2018 11:35 AM  

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Blogger Ken Prescott January 01, 2018 11:38 AM  

@20

If the pissed off feminists are going to respond at all, it will be to stop letting men get on the qualified list, to be interviewed. Expect a lot of ....does not meet minimum qualifications or incomplete application or missed deadline. Yes, it is sabotage.

And then one of the menfolk in IT audits the HR apps, servers, and email/chat tools, and hiring managers get the results.

HR gets purged.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 01, 2018 11:42 AM  

The Left is trying to set up its usual "heads I win, tails you lose" situation here, but as we all know, a no-win situation is just another way to spell "carte blanche".

Carte blanche is for Alphas and Omegas. What no-win situations do is remove the middle ground.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 01, 2018 11:43 AM  

@25 P_Ang

Sue the company. Someone calling you a "rapist" runs well into Defamation and, if it was during something of official capacity, they're now liable for it. Hit up some lawyers really fast.

As, with all things these days, make the rubble bounce.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 01, 2018 11:44 AM  

So basically, in the world of leftists you're allowed to be a king or a suicide bomber (both have carte blanche), but Betas go to the gulag.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 01, 2018 11:47 AM  

Another effect of this is to remove yet another opportunity for heterosexuals to pair-bond: https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/chartdating.png?w=500&h=555

The effect of this will include increased desperation and therefore decreased social mood.

Blogger Akulkis January 01, 2018 11:47 AM  

@5

"Crazy where we are. I can't turn TV on anymore without getting irritated."


Do what I did:
In 2003, I game mine away. Haven't missed it in the slightest.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 01, 2018 11:48 AM  

As for the bigger topic, it's pretty straight forward where a lot of this will go.

- Outsource HR.
- Women are basically kept out of the major parts of the work force.
- More Remote work.
- Someone figures out a way to get an all-male office.

It's also important to remember that, with rare exception, you can find competent Men to replace pretty much any female position. Unless Men have been run out of the field, at which point you have to ask yourself if any part of the field is worth saving. (Hint: more than likely not.)

Blogger Otto Lamp January 01, 2018 11:53 AM  

"The impression I get is that companies are going to find it too easy to share information on individual employees and past social media comments will become part of that digital "personnel folder"."

Nope, nope, nope.

Unless the company is run by a complete idiot, this will never happen.

The trend is for companies to refuse to give ANY info about an ex-employee to anyone. It just opens the door to lawyers, and all a lawyer needs is a cracked door to sue the pants off a company.

Anonymous grayman January 01, 2018 12:13 PM  

Funny how this works.....

My big project at the moment is building a team to provide the resources/services of an entire segment of an it/software company.
The client company has an SJW /female problem all the way up to middle management, on the quality side, while their programmers are just fine by get run run over due to being the stereotypical beta, gamma types. Managment is in no way converged and has determined the easiest way to solve the issue is to transfer those functions to a contractor followed by axing the entire infected portion of the company.
Good for me, bad for them.

Anonymous grayman January 01, 2018 12:16 PM  

If all goes well, I'm looking at taking 10 - 20% of this companies quality type work load..... and all the SJWS get axed. The company basically wants their programers, their sales, and managment, the rest being targeted for outsourcing

Blogger Akulkis January 01, 2018 12:37 PM  

@25

Remember.... most of employment law, including wrongful termination pays out at TRIPLE DAMAGES, by law, in most states. Even losing 1/3 cut to your lawyers leaves you with 2x as much as you would have earned during the period in which they wrongfully had you not earning a paycheck.

And you can go after the miscreants personally, as well as the company.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 01, 2018 12:37 PM  

@41 grayman

They're going for surgery, chemo & radiation all at once. Must be an aggressive form of SJW Cancer.

Related, I feel like large cigars will make a comeback. They go well with the laughing while you profit off the dumpster fires others created.

Anonymous grayman January 01, 2018 12:39 PM  

And as would be expected per SJWAL & SJWADD the mid level PM'S have already tried making multiple claims of poor work quality, failure to meet time lines etc etc etc.
Expecting this sort of pushback, everything has been documented to a T and as such all claims have been trivially refuted.
They don't realize it but the targeted groups false claims have only steeled upper management to proceed with the outsourcing and perhaps expanding it.

Blogger VD January 01, 2018 12:45 PM  

My big project at the moment is building a team to provide the resources/services of an entire segment of an it/software company.

Get in touch via email, please. I'd like more details, particularly as they relate to the cost savings.

Anonymous grayman January 01, 2018 12:45 PM  

@lookingglass

The infection isn't that serious yet, but managment is serious alpha type business men who dot take well to having their bottom line impacted, and the infection as it stands clearly does.
They are being proactive since the numbers gave been run and they can make more money this route then allowing the infection to stand. It's not even politics for Sr management is just business. Impact the bottom line and you end up on the chopping block. Management is pretty generous to those who perform but ruthless to those who dont.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 01, 2018 12:49 PM  

HR is staffed by women. They won't avoid hiring women, and any attempt to suggest they should avoid hiring women...

HR doesn't do the hiring, managers do. HR just processes the paperwork and occasionally forwards a resume with a note saying "this is a great diversity candidate..."

The impression I get is that companies are going to find it too easy to share information on individual employees...

The trend is the complete opposite direction. Employers - not the big ones anyway - don't say boo to one another about someone, especially someone they 'let go.' The quicker a terminated employee is hired by someone else, the less chance of any sort of lawsuit.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 01, 2018 12:54 PM  

@46 grayman

Yup. They started the entire Outsourcing disaster by showing numbers that looked pretty but simply didn't account for very basic externalities that exist. With SJW Infections, you can show clear gains by simply being able to reduce a % of staff that was unproductive to begin with.

After the first roll out and some time operating that way, you'll also have a clear understanding of some of the details and cost-savings. Most Executives will perk up when you offer them cost savings and cover to remove the people they already don't like.

Anonymous Grayman January 01, 2018 12:55 PM  

Being in the role of hiring and firing, as well as dealing with consultants on a regular basis, I can confirm that i'm not sharing anything besides confirming employment and dates of employment.
If i was very happy with a consultant I may be willing to state that they produced quality work, otherwise going beyond this is asking for trouble.

Anonymous Redjack January 01, 2018 12:58 PM  

All I can say is that is not true. All they have to do is mention it via a LinkedIn message. My old HR manager bragged about it when I and a former coworker complained on an illegal practice. Boiled down to we didn't have enough money to sue

Anonymous Grayman January 01, 2018 1:03 PM  

@48 Looking Glass

It also offloads liability for them. Hiring and firing team members becomes my problem not theirs, they work for me, not for the client company. Additionally variability in workload also becomes my problem (within certain pre-defined boundaries. The clients concern shifts to quality and promptness of work output,
The company has been seeing huge sales but has been seeing serious stumbling on the quality implementation side (the infected SJW side). The numbers are pretty easy,if my team can implement 30% more effectively at a minimum then both companies make money and the client company is even better off because they dont have the bad rep of FUBAR'd implementations.


I have sat in on a few of their implementations and its bad, their PM's start finger pointing the second any stumbling blocks are hit, all in front of the end user client. Instead of a simple statement such as " let me look into this and find a resolution ASAP, I'll follow up with you tomorrow" you get " well sandy was supposed to have resolved that before I took over this portion"

Blogger Michael Maier January 01, 2018 1:06 PM  

I would love to see real numbers on productivity of the average teleworker. I suspect it's a massive loss. It may be made up in utility charges and smaller footprints and all but I find it hard to believe you're getting as much - on average - out of the troops.

Anonymous RobertL January 01, 2018 1:12 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:you're allowed to be a king or a suicide bomber (both have carte blanche), but Betas go to the gulag.
Filthy language alert from 2010. Women HATE HATE HATE Beta males.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 01, 2018 1:15 PM  

@51 Grayman

Committees exist to displace blame, even if they're functionally run by 1 person on each specific topic. It's the reason you have a bunch of people on the National Security Counsel, even if the President is in charge.

In the case of businesses, and most of the military, you can't run things by committee. If tasks aren't delegated and responsibility isn't assigned, no parts operate well together and self-interest isn't aligned. I would say this is utterly basic Business Management, but I've come to the conclusion the entire point of "Business Education" is to render people incapable of running a business.

Most of Management isn't, structurally, that hard. It just takes time and interpersonal endurance, but as Vox's "Adventures in keeping Gammas out of projects" has shown, it takes energy to consistently enforce standards.

Anonymous Grayman January 01, 2018 1:15 PM  

@52 Michael Maier

My team is having to learn the internal procedures from scratch, but even doing do so we are ranging from matching the internal productivity to exceed by 20%. I cant really go into more detail then that.

Anonymous Grayman January 01, 2018 1:20 PM  

@ looking glass

And i got the job of being the gate keeper, the nexus between the 2 companies. Not a position for the thin skinned, but if you have a thick hide its not bad, especially since both sides of the business relationship dont Fck around and i have as close to carte blanc as you can get to run, hire and fire the team, since its success or failure has been made my direct responsibility.
Some days it sucks, some days its fun. HUGE opportunity if It goes well since this will just be the first slice of a bigger engagement.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 01, 2018 1:28 PM  

@55 Grayman

It's not that hard to enforce productivity in a telecommute environment. You just need the proper Software for it. And whatever Voice-Comms you want to use. You just need required check-ins and the periodic poke, adjusted a bit by individual.

As to the new position, any Leadership position comes with its bad days, but, as a society, we badly undersell the Good Days in leadership. It's very, very different from the Movie-like explosion of emotion. It's a type of joy and pride that sticks with you, even after years and the details fade into memory.

There's a reason we give children trophies for group victories. They matter, for children, because that's the way the real world works. The trophy itself rarely matters, but the pride & honor can last a life time. Plus, in business, the money never hurts.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 01, 2018 1:31 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:I would love to see real numbers on productivity of the average teleworker. I suspect it's a massive loss. It may be made up in utility charges and smaller footprints and all but I find it hard to believe you're getting as much - on average - out of the troops.
It's about half-and-half. 50% or so get more work done, and better quality work, working from home. 50% or so get distracted, particularly by family.
The biggest determinant is whether the person is an introvert or an extrovert. Someone who thrives on human contact generally has a hard time with telecommuting. Next is discipline. If you need someone keeping you on task, well, that simply doesn't work.

All that said, the most common cause I've seen for failed telecommuting is the spouse that simply can't understand that you're at the office, even if you're at home. Extroverts know they enjoy being at the office. People who can't keep on task know they are scattered. Those people usually avoid telecommuting.

But men think their wives can keep a lid on their needy babbling. Some can, but some really cannot.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 01, 2018 1:33 PM  

What you are seeing is a continuation of the decline and fall of 20th century work patterns.

One employer for most of adulthood.
An employer relationship that evolved from piece work to medical & retirement benefits to where now the "traditional" employer is so integrated that social media posts, surfing history and off-work "bad" habits like smoking are "normal" topics of interaction. Mommy Business indeed.

This is ending. In its place will be an impersonal, arm's-length relationship lacking the lawsuit fodder and other personal elements of 20th century work.

Whether you see that as good or bad is irrelevant. The future will be made of smaller entities in business and politics, because Big Business and its conjoined twin, Big Government are performing mutual suicide.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 01, 2018 1:33 PM  

RobertL wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:you're allowed to be a king or a suicide bomber (both have carte blanche), but Betas go to the gulag.

Filthy language alert from 2010. Women HATE HATE HATE Beta males.


We should conspire...to take away women's smart phones. If blowjobs were a prerequisite to use Facebook for an hour we'd have world peace over night.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 01, 2018 1:42 PM  

This is ending. In its place will be an impersonal, arm's-length relationship lacking the lawsuit fodder and other personal elements of 20th century work.

I see it as more of a split, where smaller companies with very close relationships between employees (family and long-time friends/coworkers) do the critical work at arms-length for bigger companies. It's a consequence of letting so many low-trust people into society and then creating laws to protect them. The most productive organizations will be small, tight-knit groups that have high-trust with each other and lots of extra-legal reasons to be cooperative with each other..

Anonymous Grayman January 01, 2018 1:43 PM  

@59 DC

As you know that is why it is simply prudent to have multiple personalities that are relatively firewalled from each other.

Without my password manager i would remember half of my online names/personalities. I also make a point of the personalities not referencing each other.


Happy new year all!!!

Blogger Eric Slate January 01, 2018 1:44 PM  

The more leftism ruins society, the more people will hate them. Keep in mind it's necessary to catalogue their sins and badger leftists about them. That helps preventing the memory holing.

Blogger Eric Slate January 01, 2018 1:49 PM  

Also, the practice of defensive witnesses to protect against false accusations is at least as old as my parents time. My leftist mom understands women enough to insist my dad have a priest on hand when he helped a single mom parissioner.

Anonymous Random #57 January 01, 2018 2:01 PM  

@52 Michael Maier

"I would love to see real numbers on productivity of the average teleworker. I suspect it's a massive loss. It may be made up in utility charges and smaller footprints and all but I find it hard to believe you're getting as much - on average - out of the troops."

When it comes to programmers, or anyone doing hard mental work, massive gains in productivity are possible when we're freed from the distractions of the current fad of open offices. And we tend to be somewhat introverted.

On the other hand, managers are horrible at judging programmer productivity, so your perception is likely to win in many if not most outfits.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 01, 2018 2:08 PM  

@ Grayman, short of mobs with pitchforks, financial independence yields a degree of ZFG.

Another strategy in this insanely over-connected society is to eschew much of it.

Eventually I still think "local" will dominate and we'll return to "sticks & stones" being our main issue. Anonymity doesn't matter then.

Blogger Lazy Hero January 01, 2018 2:15 PM  

I've been telecommuting for 5 years now. Wouldn't have it any other way. Working in a cubicle is like being a rat in a maze. And as a White Man an endangered one. I don't even like to do skype meetings, give them something to be offended over, and when my pic is requested as part of my email signatory I always ignore.

Always remember to protect yourself.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 01, 2018 2:28 PM  

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the second-order effect Sarah pointed out.

Telecommuting strangles the day care industry. Mothers raise their own kids, instead of warehousing them. Which will have some major third-order effects when those kids grow up.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 01, 2018 3:19 PM  

I don't think all the women's magazines thought all their positions through. As a woman, I read them. As a parent of teenage boys, I look at industries that have minimal numbers of women in them. My child does not need a mattress-girl ruining his life, ever. The other mothers of sons that I know, all of them, every last one, has opinions about industries and companies- researched!- for rates of female employment- less is better.

Should I feel in solidarity? No, not really. I'm in solidarity with my children, and any future grandchildren. I am not in solidarity with any future cat-lady having any claims on my child's life, or earning potential.

The handy bit about this: these are lucrative jobs with complex, demanding college preparation, heavy on math, demanding hours, expecting both school and work while at school. As in, there really aren't any women interested in learning the job, in the first place.

They can meet a nice girl out socializing, or at camp, or at church.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 01, 2018 3:19 PM  

I don't think all the women's magazines thought all their positions through. As a woman, I read them. As a parent of teenage boys, I look at industries that have minimal numbers of women in them. My child does not need a mattress-girl ruining his life, ever. The other mothers of sons that I know, all of them, every last one, has opinions about industries and companies- researched!- for rates of female employment- less is better.

Should I feel in solidarity? No, not really. I'm in solidarity with my children, and any future grandchildren. I am not in solidarity with any future cat-lady having any claims on my child's life, or earning potential.

The handy bit about this: these are lucrative jobs with complex, demanding college preparation, heavy on math, demanding hours, expecting both school and work while at school. As in, there really aren't any women interested in learning the job, in the first place.

They can meet a nice girl out socializing, or at camp, or at church.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 01, 2018 4:29 PM  

HR departments are relatively easy to de-claw: you simply put HR on a "management by objectives" compensation scheme and hold them to it, preferably whilst dangling a few incompetents needing to be sacked over a fire while implementing it.

Once the HR people realise that their income depends heavily on hiring the kinds of people who do not initiate damaging lawsuits and other irritations, they'll stop hiring those kinds of people.

Of course, if you have what is essentially a mercenary organisation full of highly dedicated operatives (or "rogue operatives", to your competition), you don't really need an HR department as much as a Department of Consequences.

Blogger Michael Maier January 01, 2018 4:34 PM  

Random #57 wrote:@52 Michael Maier

"I would love to see real numbers on productivity of the average teleworker. I suspect it's a massive loss. It may be made up in utility charges and smaller footprints and all but I find it hard to believe you're getting as much - on average - out of the troops."

When it comes to programmers, or anyone doing hard mental work, massive gains in productivity are possible when we're freed from the distractions of the current fad of open offices. And we tend to be somewhat introverted.

On the other hand, managers are horrible at judging programmer productivity, so your perception is likely to win in many if not most outfits.


I was thinking of drone worker bees like folks in payables, etc.

So yeah, I can see that. And I'm introverted, too. But I still prefer the focus of being in the office, even though I hate humans and their distractions. And Instant Messaging still lets the annoying humans annoy... instantly and incessantly.

Blogger Kona Commuter January 01, 2018 5:36 PM  

Jimmy Glover wrote:It happened to blacks also. I have heard this more times than I can count:

I won't hire someone I can't fire.


Peter Schiff said exactly that when he was on a Joe Rogan podcast. Joe was cucking but Pete just said "Why would a business hire someone they can't fire? Why employ a black woman over a white man? If the man doesn't work out or if business isn't making money he can be laid off. The woman can not be putting the whole business at risk"

Blogger Thucydides January 01, 2018 5:37 PM  

I expect that while defensive telecommuting will rise, there will also be concurrent efforts by SJWs to insert themselves there as well, or find ways to forbid it as a form of "discrimination".

I might suggest that (if you don't do so already) you have a "clean" computer and separate connection or ISP for work, so SJWs cannot electronically "snoop" on your personal and private business. And as noted upthread, if your telecommuting is defensive in nature, avoid Skype, teleconferences, putting your picture in on anything work related and so on. Fewer avenues of approach mean fewer avenues of attack as well.

Anonymous Anonymous January 01, 2018 6:48 PM  

@70 Ariadne Umbrella

" ... No, not really. I'm in solidarity with my children, and any future grandchildren."

Bless you. We need a lot more women like you who love both their sons and daughters and see how crazy this feminism has become.

Best to you and your family.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright January 01, 2018 7:50 PM  

I was talking to my eldest son today, as he is attempting to find his first job. I was trying to explain professional behavior and how it was drummed into me as a child because my father had an office in the house.

One thing I told him was that I found it easy to avoid "sexual harrassment" by pretending I didn't understand any innuendos. I just gave a business-like response to any inappropriate comment, as if I didn't understand that the speaker had meant something else, and the guys would soon get bored and stop pestering me. In this way, I remained on good working terms with them and nobody suffered.

But...women are not trained in how to do this. Nowadays, the very idea that a woman should modify her behavior for a man is out of style. So...how can men and women working together in business work at all?

I have seen articles suggesting that women should be in business and men should get out...but men do better there and women--theoretically--do better at home. I say theoretically, because you also have to be trained for that, too. If everyone tells you that success means professional progress not a well-kept house and happy family, even women who can keep their house and family well feel lost and like a failure.

We need a shift in all of our priorities if we want any sanity in our lives.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright January 01, 2018 7:51 PM  

Hear, hear, Ariadne Umbrella (great name!)

Blogger OneWingedShark January 01, 2018 8:06 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:DonReynolds wrote:Expect a lot of ....does not meet minimum qualifications or incomplete application or missed deadline.

Expect a lot of HR's functions to be done by software.  Incomplete application?  Applicant is notified immediately.  Missed deadline?  Not by the time-stamp


Actually HR software is trash. Just try applying for jobs with 'modern' "applicant tracking software" (ATS) -- they're well night impossible to to get through as well as an exercise in patience. (If you're unemployed and in SW development, you can expect to exercise the patience of job dealing with ATS and job-postings that seem geared to justify H1Bs.)

Anonymous GodEmperorMemes January 01, 2018 10:15 PM  

I welcome the concept of women wanting to telecommute. - My company provides services in the construction industry, so anything that further reduces the number of women on job sites is only to be encouraged.

Blogger Eric Medvich January 01, 2018 11:16 PM  

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/300-hollywood-listers-launch-time-initiative-combat-sexual-151249356.html1

The push for the new prohibition begins

Anonymous Jack Amok January 01, 2018 11:46 PM  

Actually HR software is trash. Just try applying for jobs...

Try hiring. The biggest problem with the tech job market over the last year are the hordes of Dot-Indians who constantly apply for everything, whether they're qualified or not, whether they've just started a new job or not, whether they're anywhere close to the job in question or not...

They spam the hiring company, and you need someone to filter them out.

Blogger Greg Hunt January 02, 2018 12:02 AM  

I want to work for this company.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger January 02, 2018 12:36 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:HR is staffed by women. They won't avoid hiring women, and any attempt to suggest they should avoid hiring women...

HR doesn't do the hiring, managers do. HR just processes the paperwork and occasionally forwards a resume with a note saying "this is a great diversity candidate..."


Yes, that has been my experience. I've only worked in computer hardware and software related jobs, but the manager always makes the final hiring decisions. HR merely forwards the resumes. Direct hiring by HR would never work because no one in HR knows how real work is done.

However, I think that this is irrelevant to the true power of HR departments. Their power does not depend on making individual hiring decisions, but in their role as corporate gestapo. They don't decide who gets hired, but they can sure get you fired. From my perspective in the lower strata (i.e., I did actual work), it seemed to me that HR had a completely free hand that transcended the regular management structure. If HR told a manager to fire someone, that someone got fired. I never saw a case of management resistance to any HR dictate. I certainly never saw a CEO get involved in these inquisitions.

So yes, as a manager you could decide to hire men only. However, if HR detects a "pattern of discrimination" in your hiring decisions, then that's the end of your job. If you already have women in your organization, they will be the first to rat you out to the gestapo.

That's the way things are. Sure, things can change. But such a change would have to be more substantial than a lot of managers making (the perhaps unvoiced) decision to hire men only. It would have to be a profound, far-reaching societal reversal, one that breaks the moral power that HR wields in the workplace.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger January 02, 2018 1:28 AM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:One thing I told him was that I found it easy to avoid "sexual harrassment" by pretending I didn't understand any innuendos. I just gave a business-like response to any inappropriate comment, as if I didn't understand that the speaker had meant something else, and the guys would soon get bored and stop pestering me.

That got me laughing. I sometimes used the same technique, so it works for guys too. For example, at one job, I had just come on board, and this very nice looking Thai chick asked me for "technical advice" because she had heard "how highly qualified" I was.

I was new there, so the first time, I didn't know what to make of her. I thought maybe she was a manager, so I treated her carefully. Problem was, her questions didn't make a lot of sense, and I had a hard time getting her to clarify. She even brought me sheaves of printouts of code with no comments. Like I was going to make sense out of that? Anyway, I made some general comments, and she thanked me for my wonderful advice, and acted like I had opened the Platonic heavens of knowledge for her.

Wut? Was I really even smarter than I thought? After the effects of my visitor's rationality destruction field finally wore off, I had to conclude that this was actually very improbable...so what was that? OK, it's obvious in retrospect, but this kind of stuff didn't happen to me often, so it took some concerted thinking for naive ol' me to figure it out.

She kept coming back with the same "technical advice" approach, and I simply didn't know how else to deal with it, so I played it absolutely straight, throwing technical questions at her and and then repeating back what I'd heard her say. I absolutely didn't want to antagonize her (I still didn't know who was who in this place), but I also planned on staying married. So I stayed intensely focused on saying technical things when she came by. She did stop after a while. Whew.

Blogger Scott January 02, 2018 2:14 AM  

Sounds like movie production these days. Teams of competent specialists the collect together for a specific project until completion.

Anonymous Luke January 02, 2018 6:45 AM  

I know a company in the oil industry that in recent years is notorious for ONLY hiring women (in a subfield that is close to 95% male). They also apparently unceremoniously fired all their males in a short time. This is coming not just from rumors, but from a former female employee of that place. The company name is Neset Consulting, in Tioga, ND. They do mudlogging.

Blogger Akulkis January 02, 2018 11:38 AM  

@72

"So yeah, I can see that. And I'm introverted, too. But I still prefer the focus of being in the office, even though I hate humans and their distractions. And Instant Messaging still lets the annoying humans annoy... instantly and incessantly."

That's what "away" status is for.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 02, 2018 12:46 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:If you're unemployed and in SW development, you can expect to exercise the patience of job dealing with ATS and job-postings that seem geared to justify H1Bs.
1) Specify, loudly, NO VISA SPONSORSHIP
2) throw out every single dot resume
3) profit

Luke wrote:I know a company in the oil industry that in recent years is notorious for ONLY hiring women (in a subfield that is close to 95% male). The company name is Neset Consulting, in Tioga, ND. They do mudlogging.
Sounds like a good time to get into the mudlogging business in ND.

Anonymous Pozymandias January 03, 2018 3:41 AM  

@40 (grayman). I see that Vox is interested in your idea. So am I. Leave a comment or private message on my wordpress blog pozymandias.wordpress.com. I'm one of Vox's gen-X cohort. I've been sort of "forcibly retired" and am trying to get work again. I'm finding that my age, whiteness, maleness (and lack of confusion about that), and lack of an H1B visa are keeping my options limited. I love the idea of profiting from the self-inflicted wounds of our industry.

Blogger Unknown January 06, 2018 9:01 AM  

The trick is see the 2nd and 3rd order effects of having any women whatsoever in HR. If possible, and it's a privately held company, assign a male as the COO and have HR report to him. Over a period of months, eliminate all the females. It would be hard at first like trying to hire male teachers but it can be done. People fail to see the point that LINE rules over STAFF. Too much power is given to these overhead leaches and it must be crushed from time to time. Like IT...a staff group that responds to management needs, not the other way around.

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