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Thursday, January 11, 2018

EVS vs VD

It is officially on.
Ethan Van Sciver‏@EthanVanSciver
Next guest interview is with Alt Hero creator and my new arch enemy Vox Day.  Monday at 7 PM.  Trailer is coming.
In order to allow us to focus on EVS's questions on Monday, let me get a few of those posed by his Twitter followers out of the way.

Ask him why he’s so obsessed with Jews in the negative sense and why he believes non-white people are inherently chaos bringers and can’t be a part of western civilization.

I'm not obsessed with Jews in any sense. Being pro-Christian, pro-American and pro-Western civilization, I am opposed to everyone who seeks to fundamentally alter either the American nation or Western civilization, no matter who they are or what their reasons might be. Non-Westerners are not, by definition, part of Western civilization, they have their own civilizations, customs, and traditions which they quite naturally prefer, and to quote a VP reader quoting Horace, they change their sky, not their souls, who cross the sea.

In other words, they don't bring chaos, they merely bring civilizational changes which often result in chaos. Exactly as European whites did to American Indian civilization. But the fact that the invasion and subsequent changes may be well-merited from a karmic perspective doesn't actually make it desirable for anyone who values America and the West.

Ask him if he still believes N.K. Jemisin is a half savage, and those of her ethnic heritage shouldn't write sci-fi.

Yes, I still believe NK Jemisin is "an educated, but ignorant half-savage, with little more understanding of what it took to build a new literature by 'a bunch of beardy old middle-class middle-American guys' than an illiterate Igbotu tribesman has of how to build a jet engine." Those of her ethnic heritage are certainly welcome to write science fiction if they please, but Jemisin observably shouldn't. Her two successive Hugo Awards for Best Novel are a more embarrassing indictment of the degraded state of so-called science fiction than the nominations of "Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex" and "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" combined.

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Anonymous MKL #0368 January 11, 2018 7:55 PM  

I'm actually in the middle of arguing with a cucked Republican right now who can't stop himself from suggesting in the same breath both that Hispanic voters will react badly to deporting DREAMers and asking why more Hispanics don't vote Republican.

He also seems to think *Cubans* will react badly to the deportation of a mostly-Mexican group of illegals.

Anonymous Erik Erickson January 11, 2018 8:01 PM  

Not worshiping Jews is by definition anti-Semitic.

Blogger FUBARwest January 11, 2018 8:04 PM  

Only two questions. How did this get set up, and does EWS know how screwed he is?

Blogger Lovekraft January 11, 2018 8:11 PM  

The D&C, Capn Cummings, Doug Ernst and JustSomeGuy youtubers are potentially big allies and this should help bring them onto our side (or at least get them to treat you with respect).

I've noticed numerous observations that the alt-right is just a mirror reflection of the cultural marxist left, which I reject completely, and it sounds like a smear tactic, nothing more. I hope EVS and those youtuber anti-SJWs are smarter than that.

Blogger VD January 11, 2018 8:15 PM  

I've noticed numerous observations that the alt-right is just a mirror reflection of the cultural marxist left

It's a silly, superficial notion that intrinsically conflates tactics with objectives. Very stupid.

Anonymous karsten January 11, 2018 8:18 PM  

"I've noticed numerous observations that the alt-right is just a mirror reflection of the cultural marxist left"

The usual false equivalency on their part. Rather like equating medicine with poison -- because after all, both affect physiology.

Blogger Ben Cohen January 11, 2018 8:18 PM  

Space raptor is a great book. Take that back.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 11, 2018 8:18 PM  

I could not be more entertained.

Blogger WATYF January 11, 2018 8:19 PM  

Space raptor is a great book. Take that back.

Winner.

Anonymous MawBTS January 11, 2018 8:22 PM  

This makes me happy. I'm so glad we can disagree about things and still be civil and talk about it. All I know about Vox is his cool (probably fake?) name and his on-point "rules of SJWs".

Just in: "Vox Day" may not be a real name.

Nothing gets past the Twitter brain trust.

Blogger S1AL January 11, 2018 8:22 PM  

"I've noticed numerous observations that the alt-right is just a mirror reflection of the cultural marxist left, which I reject completely, and it sounds like a smear tactic, nothing more."

Assume, for a second, that they said "Alt-White" and not "Alt-Right". Then recall "Stormfront or SJW?".

That's where it's accurate.

Blogger mike January 11, 2018 8:24 PM  

"But the fact that the invasion and subsequent changes may be well-merited from a karmic perspective..."

Am I to understand that you think white America deserves to be invaded by Third World hordes? What's the deal here?

Blogger L' Aristokrato January 11, 2018 8:24 PM  

Credit where it is due; At least EVS is willing to talk; Which is sure a whole of a hell lot more than we can say about SJWs. How the whole thing goes though, we'll have to wait and see.

It would be good to have all the data at hand, for the "controversial" things bound to be said during the talk. Not for Mr. VS himself, but for the listener potentially willing to entertain stepping away from their comfort zone. You know, considering "Vox is just an evil Nazi" type arguments are sadly bound to be used.

Blogger Lovekraft January 11, 2018 8:27 PM  

Is there a way to solve the 'anti-semitism' puzzle? Because to do so would allow addressing numerous related problems.

What if we develop some type of method in which we aren't actually addressing them directly, thus incurring the pearl clutching, yet at the same time bringing forward valid criticisms.

I don't pretend to operate on the same level as VD intellectually, so perhaps he is doing such a thing, so I'll keep trying to help solve this puzzle any way I can.

I'm thinking of something in which we can criticize our own people who embrace this and other foreign and hostile cultures without criticizing them directly.

This idea came from seeing this new reddit meme:

https://imgur.com/a/eDmMh

Anonymous Rocklea January 11, 2018 8:29 PM  

EVS:
Autocorrect! I just lost 13 subs for this announcement. Wtf..

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/951583539023220737

Blogger L' Aristokrato January 11, 2018 8:34 PM  

S1AL wrote:"I've noticed numerous observations that the alt-right is just a mirror reflection of the cultural marxist left, which I reject completely, and it sounds like a smear tactic, nothing more."

Assume, for a second, that they said "Alt-White" and not "Alt-Right". Then recall "Stormfront or SJW?".

That's where it's accurate.


That's astoundingly retarded!
"Stormfront types", however ignorant or dumb, want independence and self determination for themselves, or whatever they perceive to be their group. They want separation/nationalism, as do all other factions of what can be called Alt-Right; They're just going about it in a stupid, self-defeating fashion.
The "Left" is ultimately about attatching a Brown leech onto a White civilization, never letting go, until it eventually dies. It's literally the opposite of what the aforementioned groups desires.

There is no way comparing any aspect of the Alt-Right, or what is perceived to be such, to SJWs is not a completely false parallel.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning January 11, 2018 8:37 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:Is there a way to solve the 'anti-semitism' puzzle? Because to do so would allow addressing numerous related problems.

I'm thinking of something in which we can criticize our own people who embrace this and other foreign and hostile cultures without criticizing them directly.


1. It's okay to be White.
2. We must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
3. Subdue our Traitors, repel our Invaders.

Anonymous Deplorable VD Reader January 11, 2018 8:40 PM  

>>Assume, for a second, that they said "Alt-White" and not "Alt-Right". Then recall "Stormfront or SJW?".

Indeed. I am a proud Tea Party free market guy who basically supports the GOP and hates white identity politics. But I like Milo and read Brietbart, so I’m basically alt-Right.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 11, 2018 8:41 PM  

A must watch. The chat alone is going to be pure autism.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 11, 2018 8:46 PM  

EVS probably a Blank Slater with a fetish for magic dirt, and from there all down hill.

Blogger SirHamster January 11, 2018 8:46 PM  

MKL #0368 wrote:He also seems to think *Cubans* will react badly to the deportation of a mostly-Mexican group of illegals.

The racism of those who think ethnics strongly identity with their national neighbors is pretty hilarious when you think about it.

"They all look the same!"

Consider the history of bad blood between ...

English/Irish
English/French
French/German
English/German
Chinese/Japanese
Japanese/Korean
Finnish/Russian
Israel/etc

The clue is that they lived in different nations with a border in between. If they got along that well, they'd be a single nation.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2018 8:54 PM  

you know.. if these people really wanted to disqualify you they would point out that no man that drove an MG by choice can be considered brilliant

Anonymous Matvei Daniilovich January 11, 2018 8:59 PM  

Whenever I'm accused of being anti-Semitic I just tell them I'm circumcised.

Anonymous Matvei Daniilovich January 11, 2018 9:02 PM  

I was telling some Arabs I work with about a Persian friend of mine... big mistake.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit January 11, 2018 9:05 PM  

@3 Only two questions. How did this get set up, and does EWS know how screwed he is?

Not necessarily. A miracle could occur and he could reason honeys with Vox Day who would then be forced by Christian charity to reciprocate. And EVS would appreciate the vie Arkham comics brings to the field, even though he disagrees with VD on some matters of politics.

I'll pray for you guys.

Blogger Dave January 11, 2018 9:19 PM  

Excellent.

Blogger The Chortling January 11, 2018 9:20 PM  

Go back to using SF and QMaMD. Hearing EVS' dismay at just the 2LA, let alone the incredible display of "his" soft-spoken wankerista sentiment at a 5LA was too precious. More might launch him into "I've been mentally #meetoo'd!!!!" worthy of a real celebration a year from now.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 11, 2018 9:20 PM  

Hey Vox, Paula wants to know if you're truly devoted to comics and if you're willing to listen to the experts:

"Ask him good stuff about his interest in & intent for comics & if there's any advice he's planning on taking."

Blogger Zimri January 11, 2018 9:22 PM  

Ask him why he’s so obsessed with -

Ask him back why he's such a doody head.

Blogger Dave January 11, 2018 9:25 PM  

Nate, why do you hate small British 2-seater sport cars? Were you too left stranded on the side of the road while attempting to motor the countryside in one?

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2018 9:26 PM  

@17 "hates white identity politics."

On what basis do you hate white identity politics? For what reason(s)?

Do you also hate black identity politics? Mexican identity politics? Moslem identity politics? Somali identity politics?

Can you imagine ANY identity politics you can support? (Do you recognize that ALL politics are related to group identity?)

Or have you just never thought about it?

Anonymous Evstratios January 11, 2018 9:34 PM  

I actually like Van Sciver. I was watching his drawing videos before Alt-Hero popped off, reminiscent of Bob Ross somewhat. Definitely a guy who doesn't really understand why everyone can't get along so I think a moderate is accurate. When I found him I thought it amusing he was considered edgy in comics but so it goes. I would surmise he will become an ally in short order and perhaps may even do some work under a pen name in the future.

Alot of the twitter stuff is just bare faggotry so not really a line in the sand by any means. These guys, d+s in particular, are just bristling at the invasion of their turf and it will pass with the quality coming apparent. I have the same feelings with the whole marijuana business going on with everyone and their grandmother trying to get in on it now, it just pisses me off. Twenty years and 5 years in prison to hone one of my main crafts and everyone thinking now you can turn a key and blast off. Anyhow, the reality is there is always room at the top and the people actually doing good work are very welcome and I suspect a similar path in this matter.

Also, I enjoyed QM. Very interesting and respectable and am incredibly heartened you've come out swinging. So it's not for 9 year olds, good job critics. Looking forward to everything in the pipeline, I'll see it all in 2 years after my next bit. Good job, Vox.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 11, 2018 9:38 PM  

Dave wrote:Nate, why do you hate small British 2-seater sport cars?

While I love the looks of MGs from the 60's, I'm not sure they count as cars. Cars are meant to drive on the road. 60's MGs are obviously not designed for such stressful use.

Blogger Lazarus January 11, 2018 9:39 PM  

mike January 11, 2018 8:24 PM
"But the fact that the invasion and subsequent changes may be well-merited from a karmic perspective..."

Am I to understand that you think white America deserves to be invaded by Third World hordes? What's the deal here?


American Empire: Invade the world, invite the world.

How many bases does the US have in the world?

Nearly 800.

Why?

Blogger Nate January 11, 2018 9:59 PM  

"Nate, why do you hate small British 2-seater sport cars? Were you too left stranded on the side of the road while attempting to motor the countryside in one?"

No. because i'm not dumb enough to drive around in one. but everyone else was.

Also.. I love small british two-seaters. Its just that the ones I love say "Lotus" on them.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 11, 2018 10:08 PM  

I am increasingly annoyed at the idea that merely pointing out that certain people, like, say, Karl Marx or the majority (all) of the Frankfurt School, are jewish supposedly makes one an anti-semite. Also, the observation that they do not consider themselves white and have group interests which are divergent from whites is apparently hateful, even to many on the right. It's unbelievably obnoxious.

Anonymous A. Reader January 11, 2018 10:19 PM  

“I am increasingly annoyed at the idea that merely pointing out that certain people, like, say, Karl Marx or the majority (all) of the Frankfurt School, are jewish supposedly makes one an anti-semite. “

Straight out of the Daily Stormer style guide.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 11, 2018 10:20 PM  

For all of this guy wanting to give you a big sloppy kiss of some kind, I would absolutely insist that there be no tongue. :-)

Blogger Nate73 January 11, 2018 10:27 PM  

VD: I asked Sargon on his channel if he'd debate you, he seemed pretty confident judging by his answer. If this debate goes well would you consider debating Sargon if he's up to it?

Blogger Lazarus January 11, 2018 10:28 PM  

I am increasingly annoyed at the idea that merely pointing out that certain people, like, say, Karl Marx or the majority (all) of the Frankfurt School, are jewish supposedly makes one an anti-semite.

Karl was an anti-Semite:

Karl Marx: On the Jewish Question

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 11, 2018 10:34 PM  

MawBTS wrote:Nothing gets past the Twitter brain trust.
You mis-spelled "Twatter".

@16  s/repel/expel/

Dave wrote:Nate, why do you hate small British 2-seater sport cars?
Know why the British drink their beer warm?

They have Lucas refrigerators.

A. Reader wrote:Straight out of the Daily Stormer style guide.
More proof that Anglin has something that Vox seriously needs to pay attention to.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 11, 2018 10:40 PM  

A. Reader @36

I don't recognize your handle, and I genuinely can't tell if I'm looking at satire or a real response. Damn Poe's Law.

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 10:44 PM  

> Karl was an anti-Semite

Anti-Semitism is hyper-Semitism, just as anti-Americanism is hyper-Americanism.

Anti-Semitism no more proves a Jew isn't a Jew than anti-Americanism proves an American isn't an American.

Jews are already traitors to Israel, Moses, Jehovah and Jesus. After that, betraying their little clique of obnoxious Satanists is small fry.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 11, 2018 10:50 PM  

@32 they are meant to be worked on in the garage then gently pushed into the driveway. Under no circumstances should you try to start it nor indeed finish working on it.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket January 11, 2018 10:59 PM  

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Blogger Nate January 11, 2018 11:00 PM  

"They have Lucas refrigerators."


SHOTS FIRED

Blogger Snowdens Jacket January 11, 2018 11:00 PM  

Yes because pathetic white cucks are the primary vectors of the prog disease and are busy inviting in every dirt worlder in the world, while they sit back and straight up refuse to get married and have kids. Or to actually DO anything to change ANYTHING.

Just sitting around in their advanced stage 4 narcissism saying over and over, "enjoy the decline" before turning down the lights, grabbing a sock, and finding some porn to watch.

A huge chunk of the white race are utterly pathetic and they deserve the fate gnon has in store for them. They choose it.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2018 11:01 PM  

" If this debate goes well would you consider debating Sargon if he's up to it?"

Vox... if this cockroach came into your house... would you consider stepping on it?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 11, 2018 11:01 PM  

Anti-Semitism is hyper-Semitism, just as anti-Americanism is hyper-Americanism.

Counterintuitive but true, as for any set of axioms which imply a contradiction.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 11, 2018 11:05 PM  

Am I to understand that you think white America deserves to be invaded by Third World hordes? What's the deal here?

America deserves to burn for turning away from God and sacrificing hundreds of millions of innocents on various altars to false gods. We support America and pray for mercy because, like a black sheep, it's still family.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 11, 2018 11:15 PM  

Isn't Sargon the same weirdo who posted interracial porn on his Twitter account?

Blogger Nate January 11, 2018 11:23 PM  

'Isn't Sargon the same weirdo who posted interracial porn on his Twitter account?'

Sargon is to the Alt-Right as Jeb! is to the Right.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 11, 2018 11:23 PM  

Yep, he's the guy. Real class act.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 11, 2018 11:24 PM  

@50 If I understand correctly, it was his way of pissing off people who were giving him shit for being 1/4 (or some smaller fraction) black. Not really a fan of that, but I get his motive.

Blogger Bobiojimbo January 11, 2018 11:24 PM  

VD is not someone who I would ever want to call my arch enemy, unless we're playing a game where he is playing my arch enemy.

Does anyone know how that independent film adaptation of Vox's book is going?

It's funny how these attacks always seem to fail to launch.

Blogger JACIII January 11, 2018 11:52 PM  

MG - The only good thing you can say about one: "It's not a fiat."

Anonymous fop January 11, 2018 11:58 PM  

Can't wait to hear EVS chewing his own toenails again during the interview.

What a disgusting pig.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 12, 2018 12:07 AM  

My sense is that Vox is not your enemy if you just make a serious move to arrive at the truth. Maybe it's a failing move, but dammit just make the damn move for the truth.

Anonymous CoolHand January 12, 2018 12:20 AM  

I prefer my enemies to be slow witted and lazy, ergo I maintain a strict policy of not mortally irritating the SDL.

It has served me well thus far.

Maybe I'm just cruel, but I hope that this debate ends up being one of those times where VD unceremoniously removes the guy's head but then hands it back to him in such a manner that the poor fool can't help but say, "Thank you, sir."

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 12, 2018 12:34 AM  

"It's a silly, superficial notion that intrinsically conflates tactics with objectives. Very stupid."

In which case, you should ignore him where Ernst is concerned, because his head is so far up conservative inc he can see its colon... which you probably know already if you remember years back.

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 12:39 AM  

Non-whites aren't inherently chaos-bringers. Most of them aren't fit for the white level of civilization. They're out of place there. But if there are only so many of them, or if we happen to win the lottery and get a smart or well-behaved one, no chaos.

Chaos comes at some tipping point. Short of that, they're definitely inherent trouble-bringers.

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 12:42 AM  

@4-People like that "identity of opposites" crap. Hegel, one of the major corrupters of Western Civilization, incepted us with it.

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 12:44 AM  

"Ask him if he has stopped beating his wife."

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 12:46 AM  

@11-Still wouldn't be accurate. Because mirror images are opposites. The idea that Nazis and Commies are Mighty Opposites was one of the most pernicious ideas of the previous century.

In reality, Stormfront is merely a bit to the right of Cultural Marxists.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 12, 2018 12:46 AM  

@61

Elaborate. I am curious and also deal with people who don't have the stomach to do what has to be done as well.

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 12:53 AM  

@39-Plenty of Jews criticize their co-ethnics like Marx. But he "spoke out of school," and therefore gets the anti-semite label from his fellow tribesmen.

Let that be a warning: never in mixed company.

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 1:35 AM  

@64-To make a complicated story simple, in order to understand Hegel you must understand his metaphysics. He swam in the Idealist stream of philosophical history, which flows forth from Kant. The problem of induction--most famously laid out by Hume--ruined people's (or certain people's) faith in their ability to gain real knowledge from experience. Kant's solution to this problem was to set the knower (subject) and the thing about which we're supposed to have knowledge (object) apart. There was, to him, a real reality, but our knowledge can only ever be of mental constructions and formulations of reality. So he wrapped knowledge up in the subject, and the object is out there, forever unknowable.

The stage was set for Hegel, who brought subject and object back together simply by declaring them to be identical. Bam! They're one and the same. He jumped the gap, so to speak, in a single bound.

Not by reasserting common-sense empirical knowledge, or anything. But by basically annihilating reality. It's all subject and object, which is Substance, which is Spirit, which is the Absolute, which is God, which is the universe. You know, the whole thing at once.

There is no stopping his slamming things together into identifies, and usually they're things which appear--buy only appear--to be opposites. This is the dialectic, and it's supposedly how history moves as well as how the cosmos is ordered. Everything runs on contradiction.

Left-wing and right-wing don't actually exist, but are merely "two halves of the same coin,".if you will, that cause change by smashing together to become one. Or just appear to do so, because they're already one. I don't know exactly; it's all very confusing.

The tricky thing about him is that he can be interpreted as both a relativist and an absolutist. Everything, all the opposites, are one, but contradiction is inherent in everything. How can both those assertions be true at once? How does conflict between contradictory things and the smashing of opposites together happen when they're all the same thing anyway? Don't ask me.

But in the meantime, as contradictions are working themselves out before they're resolved into synthesis, truth is relative to circumstance. What's true for you now is not the same for a person stuck in a different historical time, when different contradictions were working themselves out and a different "spirit of the time" (zeitgeist) prevailed.

On the other hand, we're always headed toward a Higher Smashing, or synthesis. The Absolute I talked about will be expressed in one state on earth. Therefore, the State is Absolute and one with everything and the only truth. And anyone who disagrees with it can suck an egg.

That's very postmodern, when you think about it.

Anonymous Anonymous January 12, 2018 1:47 AM  

Ask him why he considers anything at all about the modern state of comics to be good. I mean, Marvel, DC, and most of their lesser competitors were shit for at least a decade and probably more, and SJWism is just a coup de grace to the medium bled white by inability or unwillingness to write decent storylines.

Blogger Cool Guy449xx_420 January 12, 2018 3:34 AM  

Nah m8. I get what you're saying and all, but it's pretty weak. So is the meme. Memery must be more subtle.

For instance, the bulletin points should stop at "no driving"
Otherwise it's too blatant. Just rubs people wrong aesthetically, unless they're already in your camp.
Offence is always taken from people reading into the shit your saying, not by what you're actually saying if you're speaking the truth. You want the pearl clutching, while maintaining the air of not having the same emotional bias as the pearl clutchers. Something like that.

Anonymous Anonymous January 12, 2018 4:13 AM  

We wuz kaangz sucka... Nah we git NK Jemisin!

Blogger Dire Badger January 12, 2018 4:24 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:Is there a way to solve the 'anti-semitism' puzzle? Because to do so would allow addressing numerous related problems.

What if we develop some type of method in which we aren't actually addressing them directly, thus incurring the pearl clutching, yet at the same time bringing forward valid criticisms.

I don't pretend to operate on the same level as VD intellectually, so perhaps he is doing such a thing, so I'll keep trying to help solve this puzzle any way I can.

I'm thinking of something in which we can criticize our own people who embrace this and other foreign and hostile cultures without criticizing them directly.

This idea came from seeing this new reddit meme:

https://imgur.com/a/eDmMh


There is a way, it's called loading them all into box cars and taking them someplace where we don't have to listen to them screaming 'antisemitism' every time we say something (((they))) don't like.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 12, 2018 4:42 AM  

Will there be a comic version of ‘The Parliament of Beasts and Birds’?

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 12, 2018 5:05 AM  

They wouldn't be creating chaos if only they REALLY believed in the Constitution:

https://twitter.com/josh_hammer/status/951637492213669888

Blogger VD January 12, 2018 5:37 AM  

If this debate goes well would you consider debating Sargon if he's up to it?

I'll be happy to debate Sargon anytime he likes. I can always make time for an old GamerGater.

Blogger The Kurgan January 12, 2018 5:51 AM  


I think Vox is just trying to re-enact the William Lane Craig bs Sam Harris "frog meets train" event.

Except in this case the frog is already squashed and the train is a Japanese bullet train travelling at 300 miles an hour with a soundtrack of babymetal

Anonymous 5th Level Cleric January 12, 2018 9:28 AM  

“In reality, Stormfront is merely a bit to the right of Cultural Marxists.”

Stomfronters support the Wall though. Do (((you)))?

Blogger S1AL January 12, 2018 9:37 AM  

'"Stormfront types", however ignorant or dumb, want independence and self determination for themselves, or whatever they perceive to be their group. They want separation/nationalism, as do all other factions of what can be called Alt-Right; They're just going about it in a stupid, self-defeating fashion.'

You're apparently confused on the notion of what "mirror image" means. It's not "identical". It's "surprisingly similar with specific, minute differences".

And really, "self-determination and independence"? They're socialists. Don't be an idiot.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 12, 2018 9:47 AM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:Maybe it's a failing move, but dammit just make the damn move for the truth.

Yes. Be open to the truth, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you. And be humble. We could use a whole lot more humility in our world today.

Anonymous Howard January 12, 2018 10:14 AM  

Vox Day's premise with regard to Jews is that they "seeks to fundamentally alter either the American nation or Western civilization"

This is not only untrue and without merit, it is about as anti-semitic as you can possibly get. Moreover, the notion that Jews are not part of Western Civilization, particularly those Jews who's family's and history are linked to the West and the U.S by multiple generations, is without merit...and again, simple, ignorant anti-semitism.

Blogger wreckage January 12, 2018 11:11 AM  

@77, it's not universally true, but to say it's entirely without merit is absurd. There is without doubt a sizable Jewish political force that believes the Holocaust is intrinsic to Western civilization, inculcated in its Classical and Christian roots, and actively seeks to undermine the Classics, Christian religiosity, and nationalism.

In fact, for Vox to be correct in a limited sense needs only that a percentage of Jews be Marxists. Which they are.

Personally, I attribute that to Marxism itself, and an incorrect response to a perfectly rational fear of pogroms. Vox attributes it to clannishness and kin-selection, along with his, and not only his, belief that political systems arise from the gestalt impulses of people-groups.

It is not anti-semitic to suggest Jews might have different preferences to, say, Germans. It's damn sure that Irishmen have different preferences to Koreans. Your belief that everyone's an anglo-saxon if they just put aside the ridiculous make-up is frankly pretty damn disgusting.

Blogger wreckage January 12, 2018 11:13 AM  

@78; I hasten to add that I do not seek to define Vox's position on anything, only that he has emphasized relative clannishness of different national groups in discussions in the past.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 12, 2018 11:52 AM  

Howard wrote:Vox Day's premise with regard to Jews is that they "seeks to fundamentally alter either the American nation or Western civilization"

This is not only untrue and without merit, it is about as anti-semitic as you can possibly get. Moreover, the notion that Jews are not part of Western Civilization, particularly those Jews who's family's and history are linked to the West and the U.S by multiple generations, is without merit...and again, simple, ignorant anti-semitism.


"Hello fellow White persons! I am feeling plenty White today, You Betcha!"

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2018 12:42 PM  

> MG - The only good thing you can say about one: "It's not a fiat."

Which reminds me. I've been hearing ads for the Spider on the radio lately. All I can do is laugh.

And looking over the post again: > ...and my new arch enemy Vox Day.

Well, he apparently has a sense of humor. That's always a good sign.

Anonymous Muh Freedumbs Muh Free Market January 12, 2018 12:56 PM  

>>And really, "self-determination and independence"? They're socialists. Don't be an idiot.

When Trump spends $1 trillion on infrastructure (“socialism”) will your Tea-Tard head explode?

Blogger S1AL January 12, 2018 1:14 PM  

'When Trump spends $1 trillion on infrastructure (“socialism”) will your Tea-Tard head explode?'

Look out, guys, we got us a gen-yoo-wine "all government is socialism" nitwit.

Funny how it's only socialists and anarcho-capitalists who think that.

Blogger great_o'rety January 12, 2018 1:18 PM  

tublecane wrote:
That's very postmodern, when you think about it.


That's very Eastern (Buddhist/Gnostic nihilism, Taoist opposites), when you think about it.

Blogger LP9 January 12, 2018 1:21 PM  

Arch enemy Vox Day?

Why? What did Vox do to earn that? I know, someone slipped on a banana peel and now its Day's fault. Rhetoric or not, arch enemy is a bit much.

EVS, personal attacks are stupid and petty, they make for poor debate and insufferable listening, you should try making points and talking about the industry.

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Blogger TM Lutas January 12, 2018 1:30 PM  

There's a long term project of the papacy to reunite christendom and erase the great schism of 1054. In any sane world that means an extended period of "getting to know you" and bridge building between the West and Orthodoxy. Uniting the two would create huge benefits materially and spiritually, it's one of those things that Jesus would want.

Necessarily, both the West and the East would change in order to regenerate sustainable interfaces that would allow for full communion.

The project has hit fast forward since the 1960s (such as that goes) and the withdrawal of the mutual anathemas.

VD, what's your position on changing the West in order to make Christianity substantially whole again? How are you prioritizing Christianity vis a vis the West?

Blogger VD January 12, 2018 1:34 PM  

This is not only untrue and without merit

You're either ignorant or you are a liar.

Moreover, the notion that Jews are not part of Western Civilization, particularly those Jews who's family's and history are linked to the West and the U.S by multiple generations, is without merit...and again, simple, ignorant anti-semitism.

So the Jews have no claim to the land of Israel? That's an overtly anti-Zionist and anti-semitic position. You cannot claim that Jews both a) are part of Western civilization and b) have a legitimate territorial claim in the Middle East.

You're FAR too short for this ride.

Blogger Gordon Scott January 12, 2018 1:34 PM  

LP9, he's kidding.

Nate, yer a hater. The progeny of the Morris Garage has a long and distinguished history. They are legendary for fully funding the post-secondary educations of mechanics' daughters.

Blogger Feather Blade January 12, 2018 1:42 PM  

Rocklea wrote:EVS:

Autocorrect! I just lost 13 subs for this announcement. Wtf..

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/951583539023220737
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Someone's going to have to explain to him that even going near people who are Alt-Right will cause SJWs to regard you as unclean.

Dude's gonna need his own lepers' bell.

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 3:09 PM  

@74-Thanks, that's actually the first time anyone's implied I'm Jewish, after decades on the internet.

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 3:12 PM  

@77-If that's "about as anti-semitic as you can possibly get," what on earth are Jews so afraid of anti-semites for?

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 3:21 PM  

@84-Eh, I consider Eastern philosophy's influence on Hegel minor. Certainly not like it is with Schopenhauer. To Hegel, Buddhism would be something you have to get beyond. In order to have pure subject with no actual content to worry about, you can't have negation and nothingness getting in the way. Which is how he would have interpreted Buddhism, I think. Not as Being, but as emptiness.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 12, 2018 3:43 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Anti-Semitism is hyper-Semitism, just as anti-Americanism is hyper-Americanism.

Counterintuitive but true, as for any set of axioms which imply a contradiction.


The opposite of love is indifference not hate.

Anti Semites , the silly birds would be nowhere without Jews to hate since that is so much a part of their identity .

Blogger tublecane January 12, 2018 4:10 PM  

@93-That's true of people whose identities are actually defined by anti-semitism. Which I realize anti-anti-semites might like us to believe is the case with everyone at whom they throw the label. Because then they can treat it like a pathology.

But of course that term is applied to people who merely criticize Jews like every other group gets criticized. Or, according to Joe Sobran's quip, people whom Jews don't like.

Blogger Unknown January 12, 2018 9:02 PM  

@VD: "But the fact that the invasion and subsequent changes may be well-merited from a karmic perspective"
The conquest of the Americas by the European and their subjugation of the "red Indians" was surely karma for the earlier invasions of Europe from the east by Huns, Avars, Mongols, and Tatars, all racial cousins of the "red Indian." Right? ... Nah, it's only karmic retribution when it happens to whypeepo.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 13, 2018 3:48 AM  

tublecane wrote:@93-That's true of people whose identities are actually defined by anti-semitism. Which I realize anti-anti-semites might like us to believe is the case with everyone at whom they throw the label. Because then they can treat it like a pathology.

But of course that term is applied to people who merely criticize Jews like every other group gets criticized. Or, according to Joe Sobran's quip, people whom Jews don't like.


No argument here. All good points

Blogger TM Lutas January 13, 2018 2:09 PM  

A disappointment, crickets from VD. I should start keeping track. I think this is twice in a row that I've asked substantive questions and gotten no response. I wonder how long I could keep that up.

The Alt-right, if it isn't to fade away into dixiecrat irrelevance, has to actually be able to solve problems that don't come prechewed to its liking. Its opening is that the mainstream left and right are afflicted with exactly this problem. If it can't do better, people will shove the alt-right to the curb too.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 13, 2018 3:28 PM  

TM Lutas wrote:The Alt-right, if it isn't to fade away into dixiecrat irrelevance, has to actually be able to solve problems that don't come prechewed to its liking. Its opening is that the mainstream left and right are afflicted with exactly this problem. If it can't do better, people will shove the alt-right to the curb too.
Alt-right is not the new Tea Party. The alt-Right is not a political party at all.

You're way too short for this ride, and expecting Vox, a man who has not one, not two, not three, but 4 full-time avocations and 6 projects that I know about that would occupy most people full-time, to answer your questions, which have been answered over and over again, is frankly ludicrous.
Who do you think he is? Matt Walsh? Erick Erickson?

The comments here are for the Ilk, the Dread Ilk, the VFMs, the anklebiters and shills, and clueless pathetic cucks like you to discuss the topics, not for Vox to weigh in magisterially whenever a cuck asks a question.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 2:12 AM  

@97
You're too kind, I think. I see no question.

Blogger TM Lutas January 14, 2018 5:37 PM  

@97 Certainly the alt-right is not the new Tea Party. That doesn't mean that it's immune to the same attacks that felled the dixiecrats.

Vox has been kind enough to respond to me in the past, has never indicated that I was unwelcome, and whether we agreed or disagreed his response was always interesting.

You are less so.

@98 If you see no question, you might go back to the part in the original post where I was using question marks. I'll do the work for you:
"VD, what's your position on changing the West in order to make Christianity substantially whole again? How are you prioritizing Christianity vis a vis the West?"

I am an adherent of an Eastern Church in unity with the Pope inside Catholicism, that had been banned by the communists. Religiously, I sit right on the fault line created in 1054 so I pay attention to this question more than most. I'm a walking border condition when it comes to matters of Church.

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