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Sunday, January 14, 2018

Hollywood values: the dam cracks

Eliza Dushku accuses Joel Kramer of sexually assaulting her at the age of 12:
Eliza Dushku has accused stunt coordinator Joel Kramer of molesting her when she was 12 years old. Kramer has denied the allegations. Her account, posted early Saturday morning, comes in the wake of the continuing #metoo movement and the launch of the Time’s Up campaign to combat sexual harassment and assault.

In a Facebook post, Dushku wrote that she was assaulted while working with Kramer on the 1994 James Cameron film “True Lies.”  According to her post, Kramer molested her in a Miami hotel room, where he “laid me down on the bed, wrapped me with his gigantic writhing body, and rubbed all over me.” Kramer would have been 36 at the time.

Dushku alleges that he “methodically built my and my parents’ trust, for months grooming me,” and told her parent that he would take her for a swim in the hotel’s pool. Instead, her took her to his hotel room, where he “disappeared in the bathroom and emerged, naked, bearing nothing but a small hand towel held flimsy at his mid-section.”

Kramer told Variety Saturday morning that Dushku’s allegations were “absolutely not true.” According to Kramer, Dushku swam in the hotel pool with him and other members of the stunt crew, including Dushku’s stunt double. Afterwards, he took her to her first ever sushi meal, and then took her home.
Crazy Days and Nights has been hinting at this for a while. Reese Witherspoon has made similar allegations of an attack by a producer when she was underage, although she has not yet named the individual responsible. The Hollywood Values dam hasn't crumbled yet, but the cracks are spreading.

I observe that Kramer's suggestion that Dushku is making up the allegations because "she may have had a crush on him" is classic pedophile deflection. As I have personally witnessed in court, pedos frequently resort to the "she came on to me" defense.

Years ago, my friends and I nearly got kicked out of a courtroom when a clean-cut, harmless little defendant who looked like Michael J. Fox, right down to the feathered hair and the brown corduroy sports coat with leather elbow pads, was on the stand and was asked by the judge if he had any mitigating facts to offer for his behavior in what, as far as we understood, was a date rape case. (We were there for a traffic offense and had come in towards the end of the hearing.) The defendant pointed out that he had not been the aggressor, that the alleged victim had come on to him, and that in fact he had been asleep when she jumped into his bed and woke him up by tickling him.

To be honest, we felt that this was a pretty compelling defense until the judge said, "Mr. So-and-so, she was FIVE YEARS OLD!" This was so shocking and unexpected that we all burst out laughing, thereby causing the security guards to give us a stern warning. Needless to say, the "she came on to me" defense was not a success then, and I very much doubt it will be in Mr. Kramer's case.

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Anonymous Rigel Kent January 14, 2018 8:11 AM  

She (Eliza) also mentions some retaliation. At the time she talked about it with someone (she didn't say who) and they talked to Kramer. Shortly thereafter she was involved in a stunt that Kramer was supervising and she ended up breaking some of her ribs.

I actually remember some entertainment news show (I think it was Entertainment Tonight) reporting on the injury way back then.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 8:39 AM  

Notice that her career is in rapid decline. Gotta keep her face out there...

There's a big difference in a 5yo and a horny 12yo. Add in the cocaine they plied her with and she was ready to rock. I'm not making excuses for his pedophilia, I'm pointing out that she was complicit in this.

Hollywood runs on cocaine. Anybody who knows any Hollywood actors can confirm this.

Blogger daddynichol January 14, 2018 8:41 AM  

Reese Witherspoon has made similar allegations of an attack by a producer when she was underage, although she has not yet named the individual responsible.

Witherspoon finds more value in the accusation than actually doing something about it like naming her alleged attacker. She gets all the proper victim points but avoids the tough work of going after the accused.

Blogger Gordon Scott January 14, 2018 8:44 AM  

It's right in Moira Greyland's book and the Breendoggle PDF: Walter Breen continually claimed, "But they seduced me!"

This may be some sort of pathology in itself, or perhaps a diagnostic clue.

Blogger haus frau January 14, 2018 8:45 AM  

" I'm not making excuses for his pedophilia, I'm pointing out that she was complicit in this."
NO, if she and her parents were groomed and, especially if she was plied with drugs then at 12 she isn't complicit. That's fucked up. There's no excuse for a 36 yr old man purposely pursuing and screwing a 12 year old. He pulled all the strings to put her in that situation.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2018 8:47 AM  

also... I know you are all super shocked to hear that overtly gay photographers were using their power in the modelling industry to molest and rape male models.

what do you want to bet MeToo doesn't apply to them?

Blogger Gordon Scott January 14, 2018 8:48 AM  

Laz, she may or may not be totally innocent. But even if a 12-yr old girl walks into your hotel room and starts chopping lines, you don't have to participate.

Blogger VD January 14, 2018 8:48 AM  

There's a big difference in a 5yo and a horny 12yo.

That's astonishingly pathetic. A 12 year-old cannot be complicit, legally or morally, in that particular regard.

You also know nothing about cocaine. It does not stimulate sexual desire nor does it lower inhibitions. Giving a pre-teen child cocaine is going to make them bounce off the walls like a sugar rush on steroids, not make them "ready to rock".

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 8:51 AM  

"He pulled all the strings to put her in that situation."

All of Hollywood runs like.

I've had several friend's daughters that age seriously come on to me, no drugs needed. If she wasn't entirely complicit then she sure as hell has been for the last 20 years.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 8:52 AM  

"You also know nothing about cocaine. It does not stimulate sexual desire nor does it lower inhibitions. Giving a pre-teen child cocaine is going to make them bounce off the walls like a sugar rush on steroids, not make them "ready to rock"."

Somebody never tried coke in middle school.

Blogger Gordon Scott January 14, 2018 8:53 AM  

While I cannot claim any knowledge of what cocaine does to 12-yr olds, I can say that many, many adults have indicated that cocaine does indeed lower inhibitions and stimulate sexual desire. Different people have different reactions, but the sexual aspect is a big, big part of its allure.

Blogger VD January 14, 2018 8:55 AM  

I've had several friend's daughters that age seriously come on to me, no drugs needed.

Sure they did. You might as well turn yourself in now before one of them blows the whistle.

Somebody never tried coke in middle school.

It wasn't coke, dumbass. Junior high school boys don't need anything to be "ready to rock".

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 8:56 AM  

"But even if a 12-yr old girl walks into your hotel room and starts chopping lines, you don't have to participate."

Of course not, that's completely f*cked up. As I said before, that's no excuse for him.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 8:59 AM  

"Sure they did. You might as well turn yourself in now before one of them blows the whistle."

Wow! never thought I'd see you virtue-signaling. The fact of the matter is that the parents knew about this right away and they were punished and I felt vastly uncomfortable around them ever since.

"It wasn't coke, dumbass. Junior high school boys don't need anything to be "ready to rock"."

...and nether do junior high girls.

Blogger rumpole5 January 14, 2018 9:00 AM  

A 12 yoa CAN NOT be complicit you idiot. The brain is too immature to make a rational decision to consent to sex.

Blogger VD January 14, 2018 9:00 AM  

I can say that many, many adults have indicated that cocaine does indeed lower inhibitions and stimulate sexual desire. Different people have different reactions, but the sexual aspect is a big, big part of its allure.

No, it doesn't. People use coke to heighten the experience, it doesn't stimulate the original desire. Quite to the contrary, the more coked-up you get, the less likely you are to even be interested in sex.

Women trade sex for coke. It's not used to "get them in the mood". Drugs that are used to do that have precisely the opposite effect on the human body, from alcohol to marijuana and quaaludes.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 9:00 AM  

Laz what is wrong with you?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 9:03 AM  

Add in the cocaine they plied her with and she was ready to rock.

...


"It wasn't coke, dumbass. Junior high school boys don't need anything to be "ready to rock"."

...and nether do junior high girls.


Amazing self own

Blogger VD January 14, 2018 9:05 AM  

Wow! never thought I'd see you virtue-signaling.

Because I'm not. You are exhibiting signs of serious moral degradation and defending pre-teen pedophilia. And if the 12-year-old girls you claim were acting out in that way genuinely did so, the probabilities are better than 50 percent that the parents or some other relative was abusing them.

That is absolutely NOT normal 12-year-old girl behavior.

Blogger haus frau January 14, 2018 9:05 AM  

@9 ". If she wasn't entirely complicit then she sure as hell has been for the last 20 years."
So "she came onto me" sounds like a reasonable defense to you when it concerns horny tweens? The article quotes her saying she did tell people, including her parents and anither adult who confronted him. If he did purposely compromised her saftey on set, leading to her breaking several ribs and got away with it then she by far one of the more sympathetic metoo cases.

Anonymous Rigel Kent January 14, 2018 9:06 AM  

Young girls do not come on to older guys like that, they're just not wired to be sexually aggressive. Unless they've already been sexually abused and thus had their perspective twisted so they think that's how they're supposed to behave.

Even then it's not born out of sexual desire but rather the tendency that most children have to try and please the adults around them.

Blogger cmbaileytstc January 14, 2018 9:09 AM  

This doesn’t fit the classic profile for a fake rape accusation (woman is lividly angry at a man because she realized he was poor free they both sobered up OR she’s making the accusation against a politician because she’s been told he’s Hitler and she’s brain dead.)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 14, 2018 9:10 AM  

I presume Joel Kramer is one of the Beacons of Light we are so blessed to have in America, and I'm sure no other BoL enabled or covered up for such behavior because that would be conspiracy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 14, 2018 9:14 AM  

ScarJo's mom was supposed to be a hawk watching her daughter, so what did she know about her friends' business model?

Blogger Anno Ruse January 14, 2018 9:15 AM  

"According to Kramer, Dushku swam in the hotel pool with him and other members of the stunt crew, including Dushku’s stunt double."

And this isn't creepy? I was never a swimmer but I've read more than a few accounts of molestations happening in the water. I certainly wouldn't want my 12-year-old of either gender swimming with a bunch of adult men I didn't know and I'd certainly feel odd being one of several men in a pool with a 12-year-old.

Maybe I'm overly paranoid about such things.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 9:16 AM  

"You are exhibiting signs of serious moral degradation and defending pre-teen pedophilia."

Not at all. Her being complicit isn't an excuse for pedophilia.

"That is absolutely NOT normal 12-year-old girl behavior."

Where the hell were you in middle school? A large portion of the middle schoolers I went to school with were all about sex.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 14, 2018 9:16 AM  

Not to state the obvious here but there is absolutely no evidence that Eliza Dushku was doing Coke.

Just being in the industry is not an actual guarantee of childhood drug abuse.

Blogger Matthew January 14, 2018 9:18 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:I presume Joel Kramer is one of the Beacons of Light we are so blessed to have in America, and I'm sure no other BoL enabled or covered up for such behavior because that would be conspiracy.

Don't try to be clever to get around the rules. You're not smart enough, and I'm already looking for reasons to spam you.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 9:19 AM  

"Just being in the industry is not an actual guarantee of childhood drug abuse."

LMAO! It's virtually a guarantee. Growing up next door to Brad Renfro taught me that.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 14, 2018 9:22 AM  

Why is that sir?

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 9:24 AM  

"Maybe I'm overly paranoid about such things."

No your not. It's creepy.

Blogger Shimshon January 14, 2018 9:25 AM  

I, alas, learned recently of a man who had an incestuous relationship with his then pre-pubescent daughter decades ago. When the truth finally emerged (I thankfully wasn't present when the big reveal occurred, and only met him once or twice years ago), out came the "she came on to me defense." Pedophilia is bad enough, but to use that excuse against one's own daughter?!

He died recently of ALS. It seems quite an apt Divine punishment.

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Anonymous Avalanche January 14, 2018 9:26 AM  

"pedos frequently resort to the "she came on to me" defense."

Alas, many pedos actually BELIEVE the girls (or boys) "came on to them." It's all in their twisted minds, but they actually believe it's so.


@2 There's a big difference in a 5yo and a horny 12yo.

No. NO, there isn't. So, how many 12-yr-olds are YOU claiming to have 'been come on to" by, then, eh? NO 12-yr-old realizes (nor should realize) that open physical affection has ANYTHING sexual about it! NO 12-yr-old is "horny" and hoping some adult will take advantage of her!

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 9:27 AM  

> I've had several friend's daughters that age seriously come on to me, no drugs needed.

While I have no direct experience in this matter, I agree that Laz is correct, disturbing thought it may be. The minority of early sexually maturing underage girls can be quite aggressive because they are not competitive in the sexual market yet, but are attracted to the men who already have boyfriends, because preselection. Evolution wants to make babies and the absence of firm parental restraint is a strong signal to start early on the r-selected breeding program.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 14, 2018 9:27 AM  

Anno Ruse wrote:"According to Kramer, Dushku swam in the hotel pool with him and other members of the stunt crew, including Dushku’s stunt double."

And this isn't creepy? I was never a swimmer but I've read more than a few accounts of molestations happening in the water. I certainly wouldn't want my 12-year-old of either gender swimming with a bunch of adult men I didn't know and I'd certainly feel odd being one of several men in a pool with a 12-year-old.

Maybe I'm overly paranoid about such things.


That part I do kind of understand. Call it "Circus Life". Everybody is far away from home so you find family where you can.

It's one of the things that makes child actors vulnerable to molestation.

Remember; In order to betray, you must first belong

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 9:27 AM  

Pedophiles don't (necessarily) use "she came onto me" as an excuse. They are wired wrong and genuinely believe it. They perceive children as sexual adults and interpret children's behaviour as fully fledged adult sexual behaviour.

It's probably pretty close to a diagnostic test, but of course "I am not a forensic psychologist".

Blogger Jew613 January 14, 2018 9:28 AM  

I can honestly say I've never seen a 12 year girl come on to anyone, they are just too young. That is not to say tween girls are saints, but they just havent matured sexually by that age, and if a girl that age does behave inappropriately; as an adult you need to shut it down.

I also dont agree with the current idea that a girl is an innocent child until her 18th birthday when suddenly she becomes an adult. Most girls are as mature as they will get by around 16, and plenty of them will flirt and send signals to adult men, doesnt mean you act on it.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 January 14, 2018 9:28 AM  

#MeToo.
And once the torpedoes reacquired "unintended" targets...
"Wait, wait, now, let's not be hasty here. Just put out the fuse on that petard on MY treasury door, and lets talk about it. NEW RULES!
Calvinball, 'Twas ever thus.

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 9:31 AM  

And there is no legal concept of female consent in the Bible. The only mentions of "age of consent" are God's "I saw that you were of the age of love" and Paul's "if the flower of her age be upon her". Mary was 12-13, supposedly.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 9:31 AM  

@38 Precisely.

Blogger Miguel January 14, 2018 9:32 AM  

Nate:

"also... I know you are all super shocked to hear that overtly gay photographers were using their power in the modelling industry to molest and rape male models.

what do you want to bet MeToo doesn't apply to them?"


Even worse. They are making the case for the boys who later adopt the homo deathstyle wherein we are told how "fragile" their situation is at the hand of these "evil men".

No mention is ever made that these evil men are sodomites who go after ANY adolescent - homo or not.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 9:33 AM  

@21. Rigel Kent: I don't know anything about abuse. All I have to go on was what actually happened to me. It was totally unnerving.

"Even then it's not born out of sexual desire but rather the tendency that most children have to try and please the adults around them."

Can't please parents when they're not around. Remember, we're generations deep in latchkey kids.

Blogger SciVo January 14, 2018 9:33 AM  

Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:Laz what is wrong with you?

Well, he's apparently an old-school druggie with friends whose kids are so disorded that they come on to him, and are maybe also on coke. Did I miss anything?

Blogger Nate January 14, 2018 9:35 AM  

Laz... are you a big fan of Nabokov?

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 9:36 AM  

@40 whereby, a woman can never be responsible for consent; which is why it has to be obtained from her family and tribe.

Note that if you just decide to bang her on the basis that she's automatically your wife thereby, the family need only find someone who heard her struggle, or a prior conversation with another family that could be considered an engagement or the promise of an engagement, and they get to kill you.

If denied that satisfaction, their clan might instead kill the entirety of your clan, making your women theirs by possession by conquest.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2018 9:37 AM  

"Mary was 12-13, supposedly."

16.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2018 9:39 AM  

Also... Koanic... don't be retarded... there is plenty of Rape in the Bible and plenty of condemnation of it... and plenty of explanation of how rapists should be dealt with.

Anonymous Heartiste Reader January 14, 2018 9:39 AM  

“That is absolutely NOT normal 12-year-old girl behavior.”

Notice the weasel word “normal”... so what defines normal? 80%

Surely 20% of 12-year-Old girls on Earth is a sizable number. Or use whatever proportion you think is fair, 85-15, 90-10, 95-5, etc.

But we both know it ain’t zero percent and for you to virtue signal otherwise is comical.

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 9:42 AM  

> the family need only find someone who heard her struggle, or a prior conversation with another family that could be considered an engagement or the promise of an engagement, and they get to kill you.

Sounds like you are just making this up. The Law is clear, and that's not it. And the sons of Israel didn't need any such pretext to avenge Dinah.

> 16.

I'd find that more personally tasteful, but what's your source?

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 9:42 AM  

So I just thought I might mention that in the unlikely event that Koanic brings his interpretation of Biblical law near any female of my extended family, I will, by that same Law and on the basis that he is not from the perspective of my blood, of the People but a foreigner, kill him, kill all his relatives, kill all of his livestock, and burn all of his possessions.

As is my right and obligation under the Law.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 9:43 AM  

@23: Yes, I was wondering about that too.

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 9:43 AM  

> there is plenty of Rape in the Bible and plenty of condemnation of it... and plenty of explanation of how rapists should be dealt with.

Great. Go ahead and give me three examples then.

Anonymous GunShowTrash January 14, 2018 9:44 AM  

I think y'all are missing the bigger issue. Given Hollywood's cavalcade of moral failings:

-- Why should I listen to their moral admonishment?
-- Why should I consider their guidance for my government?

Joe Everyman gets it, and is reminded that he makes better judgements than twerks in the spotlight. All the GE need do is let it happen.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 9:44 AM  

"No. NO, there isn't. So, how many 12-yr-olds are YOU claiming to have 'been come on to" by, then, eh?"

More than I can remember when I was that age.

"NO 12-yr-old realizes (nor should realize) that open physical affection has ANYTHING sexual about it! NO 12-yr-old is "horny" and hoping some adult will take advantage of her!"

That makes me think you never set foot in a public school. We've been knee deep in sexual degeneracy (and no parental supervision) at least since I was in school in the 80's.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 14, 2018 9:45 AM  

Beyond the fact that they lie like SJWs, I suspect pedos see any form of affection from children as sexual come-ons. IOW, they're in denial that they're friend-zoned.

@Laz
It took me until I had turned 15 before I started to realize I was attracted to girls. (shrug) Besides, girls may talk about getting boyfriends quite young, but it's like fairy-tale fantasy for them until they sexually mature.

Anonymous Rocklea January 14, 2018 9:46 AM  

The age of consent in many parts of the world is 12. The recent Turkish fatwa said nine was good. Those saying a 12 year old girl is incapable of being sexually active or coming on to someone are just plain wrong. Need I remind everyone, it was on this very same blog that we argued about the stupidity of California deciding to no longer charge minors with prostitution? I'm all for the destruction of Hollywood and the pedo rings. There still must be proof beyond reasonable doubt. This particular case, if corroborated, may well meet that burden.

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 9:46 AM  

> I will, by that same Law and on the basis that he is not from the perspective of my blood, of the People but a foreigner, kill him, kill all his relatives, kill all of his livestock, and burn all of his possessions.

Yes, but how many ways can you kill me?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 14, 2018 9:51 AM  

If anyone tires of Hollywood depravity and it's cover ups pick a list of small towns in Flyover country and look up the registration on city-data for sex offenders.

Quite shocking are the ratios

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 9:52 AM  

"Well, he's apparently an old-school druggie with friends whose kids are so disorded that they come on to him, and are maybe also on coke. Did I miss anything?"

I can see how you think I'm drug addled, but I only experimented in my youth. You're probably right about those friend though. I got weirded out and stopped hanging out with them years ago.

Blogger John rockwell January 14, 2018 9:55 AM  

The ultimate argument against all pedophilia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvWwNM7S9xQ



Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 14, 2018 9:56 AM  

If your first reaction to hearing that a 12 year old girl was sexually molested by a 36 year old is, "well not to excuse him, but she was probably asking for it after all the drugs she was given" you shouldn't be surprised when other peoples' reaction to that is, "what is wrong with you?"

Anonymous Heartiste Reader January 14, 2018 10:03 AM  

>>you shouldn't be surprised when other peoples' reaction to that is, "what is wrong with you?"

Indeed. Wow just wow. I can’t even. Don’t you know it’s 2018?

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 10:03 AM  

Biblically, this girl was somewhere between a whore and a slave, and the man would be looking at a fine or a polygamous shotgun marriage at most.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 10:05 AM  

The due punishment is that of a rapist; it is just despite being carried out without trial or appeal:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel+13&version=MEV

The law concerning it is here, with IIRC three specific sentences:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22&version=MEV

So, Dinah, Tamar, and the Law. Oh, and the Levite's concubine, whose story is the justification for a King and standing Army. Rape is the crime for which there was no answer and for which Israel was willing to accept all the imposition of King:

"30 And it was so, that all who saw it said, “There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt until this day. Consider it, take counsel, and speak your minds.”"

What was in their minds was to spontaneously form a large army and go on a days-long rampage of killing and burning that threatened to genocide an entire tribe of Israel.

This was also deemed unsatisfactory, leading eventually to the monarchy.

Anonymous Rocklea January 14, 2018 10:07 AM  

"If your first reaction to hearing that a 12 year old girl was sexually molested by a 36 year old is, "well not to excuse him, but she was probably asking for it after all the drugs she was given" you shouldn't be surprised when other peoples' reaction to that is, "what is wrong with you?""

The two notions are not mutually exclusive, which is why in western countries those under the age of consent are deemed legally incapable of giving consent. The adult is culpable of rape regardless.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 14, 2018 10:09 AM  

Slightly OT, but somewhat relevant: my wife informed me yesterday that our oldest is starting to develop (not for nothing, the wife was quite the early bloomer herself).

My initial comment: “Well, I guess it’s high time to invest in that gun I keep talking about.”

And hearing of an account such as this, it would seem that my instinct is spot on. It just sucks that I live in an area where the political leadership not only believes in fairy tales, they use them as the justification for the laws they enact...

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 10:09 AM  

@58 No Koanic, I was just laying out my rights under law. The ways I can kill you are like.... three I can think of, four if we include attempting to run you over with some for of motor vehicle.

Sadly, I have no super-secret assassin-force training nor over one million contacts in the international Elite Killing Community to call on.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 10:11 AM  

My initial comment: “Well, I guess it’s high time to invest in that gun I keep talking about.”

What model are you getting?

Blogger Nate January 14, 2018 10:13 AM  

This thread is providing and excellent argument in favor of The Inquisition.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 10:15 AM  

This thread is providing and excellent argument in favor of The Inquisition.

Agreed

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 10:16 AM  

@69, If there's a Crusade, can Reformed join?

Anonymous Red Line January 14, 2018 10:16 AM  

Wow so many degenerates counter-signaling Vox's anti-pedophilia teaching. The "I was hit-on by a 12 year old" humble-brag lol - WTF is wrong with you people? Yes places like Mexico or Turkey sanction sex with 12 year olds. Shitholes.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2018 10:19 AM  

"I'd find that more personally tasteful, but what's your source?"

15 to 16 is the age most religious historians speculate. one of the reasons for this is the journey she took to visit her cousin Elizabeth in Luke. That's a long hard journey and she would've needed to have been physically and emotionally mature to make it. Particularly while pregnant.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 10:20 AM  

If her accusation is true, it is unlikely to be an isolated incident. I imagine other such accusations will occur over the next few days and weeks.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 10:22 AM  


@69, If there's a Crusade, can Reformed join?


Deus Vult!

Blogger Anno Ruse January 14, 2018 10:22 AM  

"That makes me think you never set foot in a public school. We've been knee deep in sexual degeneracy (and no parental supervision) at least since I was in school in the 80's."

I was in public school in the 90's in a suburban Midwestern town and it was hardly degenerate. A few kids smoked cigarettes. One of the bad girls was once sent home for dyeing her hair pink. The world may be going to hell, but some places are moving slower than others.

My suburban Midwestern town was also 99.99% white. What are the odds?

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar January 14, 2018 10:22 AM  

I am completely out of popcorn.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 10:23 AM  

Biblically, this girl was somewhere between a whore and a slave, and the man would be looking at a fine or a polygamous shotgun marriage at most.

Are you a Christian?

Anonymous Rocklea January 14, 2018 10:25 AM  

"Yes places like Mexico or Turkey sanction sex with 12 year olds. Shitholes."

Agreed, my comments were not a sanction of the practice.

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 10:25 AM  

Frustrated Churchian self-emasculation manifests itself in bizarre moral panics over the remaining tattered edges and corners of the father's protective role.

> The due punishment is that of a rapist; it is just despite being carried out without trial or appeal:
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel+13&version=MEV

You speak falsely of the Law. Amnon's sin was incest, and the correct punishment is unstated, but presumably death in this aggravated case. David was lax.

> The law concerning it is here, with IIRC three specific sentences:
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22&version=MEV

Nothing relevant is there. Wreckage, you are not very smart.

> So, Dinah, Tamar, and the Law.

Dinah is not relevant. "Instruments of cruelty are in their habitations." The sons of Israel overstepped and were cursed for it.

The Law agrees with me, not you. You have zero witnesses.

> Oh, and the Levite's concubine

Not relevant. The crime was gang rape and murder of a married woman. That's simply adultery, plus.

> This was also deemed unsatisfactory, leading eventually to the monarchy.

Given how inaccurate you are about what is plainly stated in the Bible, I dismiss your extrapolations.

And if you can only think of three ways to kill someone, one of them better be the gun you always carry.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 10:26 AM  

"Polygamous shotgun wedding"
No, you get a fine AND a shotgun wedding, legally disbarred from ever divorcing the woman. If you can't support a new wife, you can't take one, so the lower classes to NOT get to be polygamous.
And like I said, if the family gins up an "engagement"... you're dead.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 14, 2018 10:27 AM  

@Josh

I am open to any and all suggestions. Something that I can easily pull out to clean in front of potential suitors.

Anonymous Avalanche January 14, 2018 10:27 AM  

@57 "it was on this very same blog that we argued about the stupidity of California deciding to no longer charge minors with prostitution? "

You think a healthy 12-yr-old "prostitute" chooses that lifestyle (I gag to even call it that!) because "she's horny"?! Or has she already been twisted and is forced into it?! You think these Hollywood children do not 'come to believe' it's normal, when it's ALL around them!?

When I joined the Navy I firmly believed adultery was wrong. (I was reasonably well-raised, albeit by liberals.) Adultery was just flat-out wrong. Turns out, in the Navy (back then), most (not all, but MOST) of the guys (I served with; I DOUBT they were unusual) didn't see it that way. They didn't all act on it (it sure seemed like more did than didn't!) -- but it was "normal" to screw around.

Women are built to "fit in" -- safety lies in being a part of the tribe. So, I FELT it was wrong -- but my "tribe" (for the most part) thought it was okay, so I reluctantly came to believe it was normal and okay and not ... exactly ... wrong. Well, wrong, but accepted. (And I as in my 20s, not a 12-yr-old!)

I'd also point out (having just read the comments at the Dushku article) that when it's "normal" for men "on set" to do this; when reporting it does not result in any punishment (except maybe for the abused girl) or even just shunning (hell, that lying bitch Streep never even warned other little girls about 'her god'!) ANY girl with ANY sense will conclude that in this "tribe" -- this kind of thing is normal and is not to be spoken of.

Now, the dam has broken -- NOW the hurt and rage and confusion and silence (yes, from 20-30 years ago!) has been freed! Have you not read The Last Closet?! How many times and from how many people did Moira try to get help? (And not even so much for herself, but for the little boys?!) How many times and from how many people have any number of young people at sci fi cons (or in Hollywood) tried to get help, tried to report what happened -- and had the 'president of whatever-org' or the head of the the movie crew REFUSE to accept and acknowledge the report (and ban from the convention/set) people they knew were (are!) abusing kids!

Do you blame Moira for waiting 20 years to speak out?!

Blogger S1AL January 14, 2018 10:29 AM  

Funny how certain people want to take only specific parts of the OT Law's civil section, and ignore the rest.

Disturbing which choices they usually make, too.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 10:30 AM  

"As I have personally witnessed in court, pedos frequently resort to the "she came on to me" defense."

Very true. Do young teenage girls like older guys? Undoubtedly in many (though not all) cases. Do they know about sexuality? A better question might be "are they in public school?" If the answer is yes, and they don't hail from the back-end of nowhere (and sometimes even then), they almost certainly know even before they hit ten.

That they know about it usually doesn't mean that they're thinking about it consciously though. If they are, they've probably already been victims of some sort. Will they try to get close to and touch older men (in a nonsexual way, "hug-y") yes, but they really don't know what they're doing if there aren't serious issues with them.

As VD has pointed out, cocaine is very much more a absurdly strong stimulant (like caffeine "on crack") and doesn't do much else (besides be correspondingly more unhealthy). I knew guys who got busted for it in the Military. Decent guys who I'm 90% sure used it occasionally to stay awake (yes, some times it's both that hard and that imperative) rather than for habitual/dependent reasons.

Regardless of the presence or absence of drugs, or the female being in the teenage years, they still know perfectly well that the responsibility ball is in the older man's court. As much as I situationally dislike it myself, 18+ laws exist for good reasons, not that they would have necessarily saved him from #metoo anyway.

Pence rules look more and more necessary to the average male with every accusation, regardless of veracity. Even if not for the potential for false accusations, the more you're likely to slip, the more you need strictly followed self-rules to keep you standing.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 10:31 AM  

@79; your interpretation is faulty. You have dismissed the Law without argument, and ignored the importance of Tamar's repeatedly asserted virginity.

As for "not very smart", you're the one who stated there were not three mentions of Rape in the Bible. There are three stated conditions for considering the crime of Rape in the Law alone.


Blogger ChangYeeFong January 14, 2018 10:32 AM  

@SemiSpook37 Any high-powered long rifle should do the trick. It's sends the message that you can get them far enough that they can't see you.

Blogger Duh-ave January 14, 2018 10:35 AM  

In response to a young man who upset a (came on to me) girl by kissing her a lady is quoted "No! She didn't want you to kiss her. She wanted you to WANT to kiss her". Junior High kids are wild. They experiment. Adults must adult. No excuse ever for touching a 12 year old.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 14, 2018 10:36 AM  

You know when that excuse actually works?

When you yourself were also 12 years old.

Which means one of two things: you either peaked way too early or you’re completely full of it.

Blogger Scott Birch January 14, 2018 10:38 AM  

Take a good look at yourself Laz.

Blogger VD January 14, 2018 10:39 AM  

They are wired wrong and genuinely believe it.

There you go, Laz. You're just wired wrong.

Notice the weasel word “normal”... so what defines normal? 80%

It's not a weasel word. By "normal" I mean "12-year-old girls who have not been sexually abused". Less than 1 percent of children under the age of 12 have lost their virginity. The average age in the USA is 16.4.

Just because you grew up in the heart of pedoville doesn't make your experience normal, relevant, or defensible, Laz.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 14, 2018 10:40 AM  

@81  Any make of SKS will do.  They take down easily so you can have it apart for "cleaning" without undue difficulty.  Cheap, too.

You may prefer a scattergun for home defense, though.  I have no recommendations there, but the popular brands are popular for good reason.

Anonymous Rocklea January 14, 2018 10:40 AM  

"Have you not read The Last Closet?"

Not all of it yet, it's a hard read.

"You think a healthy 12-yr-old "prostitute" chooses that lifestyle (I gag to even call it that!) because "she's horny"?!"

Of course not. They do it for money or under duress. The purpose of arresting them is for rehabilitation. Or it used to be. As it currently stands in California, the process is literally catch and release with regards to the children. There is no funding for anything else.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning January 14, 2018 10:40 AM  

OT. Philip K. Dick Awards nominees announced. This is a second-tier award, counting from Hugo and Nebula. http://www.philipkdickaward.org/

THE BOOK OF ETTA by Meg Elison (47North) Meg Elison is the author of THE BOOK OF THE UNNAMED MIDWIFE, a post-apocalyptic feminist speculative novel, Tiptree recommendation, and winner of the 2014 Philip K...

SIX WAKES by Mur Lafferty (Orbit) "Maria Arena awakens in a cloning vat streaked with drying blood. She has no memory of how she died..."
https://infogalactic.com/info/Mur_Lafferty
“In September 2006, Lafferty, along with Michael R. Mennenga and Tracy Hickman, founded the Parsec Awards,[2] which recognize excellence in science fiction podcasting... The awards are presented yearly at Dragon*Con..."

Awards and honors
2007 Parsec Nomination for Best Speculative Fiction Story (Short Form): I Look Forward To Remembering You[8]
2007 Parsec Award for Best Writing Related Podcast: I Should Be Writing
2008 Parsec Award for Best Speculative Fiction Story (Novella Form): Heaven - Season Four: Wasteland[9]
2008 Parsec Award for Best Speculative Fiction Story (Long Form): Playing for Keeps
2010 Parsec Nomination for Best Speculative Fiction Story (Novella Form): Heaven - Season Five: War[10]
2011 Parsec Nomination for Best Speculative Fiction Story (Novella Form): Marco and the Red Granny[11]

AFTER THE FLARE by Deji Bryce Olukotun (The Unnamed Press) https://www.amazon.com/Nigerians-Space-Deji-Bryce-Olukotun/dp/1939419018 "Dr. Wale Olufunmi, lunar rock geologist, has a life most Nigerian immigrants would kill for, but then most Nigerians aren’t Wale—a great scientific mind in exile with galactic ambitions. Then comes an outlandish order: steal a piece of the moon..."

THE WRONG STARS by Tim Pratt (Angry Robot) https://infogalactic.com/info/Tim_Pratt https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/excerpt-tim-pratts-wrong-stars-right/ “(The Constantine Affliction—in which title malady causes upheaval in stuffy British society as those stricken with it spontaneously switch genders— is certainly ranks with the most original steampunk Victoriana I’ve ever come across). I’m pleased to say that the same holds true for Pratt’s next book. The Wrong Stars…”

REVENGER Alastair Reynolds (Orbit) https://infogalactic.com/info/Alastair_Reynolds “is a British science fiction author. He specialises in dark hard science fiction and space opera… His current project is Poseidon's Children… a hard science fiction trilogy dealing with the expansion of the human species into the solar system and beyond, and the emergence of Africa as a spacefaring, technological super-state”

BANNERLESS by Carrie Vaughn (Mariner/Houghton Mifflin Harcourt) https://infogalactic.com/info/Carrie_Vaughn
“While the Kitty Norville books are published as fantasy, they have been popular with romance readers as well. In 2005, Kitty and the Midnight Hour won Romantic Times Reviewers' Choice Award for 'Best First Mystery'.[3] Vaughn has said she welcomes the attention, but that it was unexpected.[4]”

ALL SYSTEMS RED by Martha Wells (Tor.com) https://infogalactic.com/info/Martha_Wells
Sample. Volescu was huddled on the churned up rock, losing his shit... I said, "Dr. Volescu, you need to come with me now."
He didn't respond... I was clamping one arm on Dr. Bharadwaj's suit to keep her from bleeding out... I made my voice firm and warm and gentle, and said, "Dr. Volescu, it's gonna be fine, okay? But you need to get up and come help me get her out of here…
I had asked him if he had kids. It was boggling. Maybe I had been watching too much media.
(He did have kids. He was in a four-way marriage and had seven, all back home with his partners.)

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 10:42 AM  

"Frustrated Churchian self-emasculation manifests itself"

You brought up rape. I laid out what is very clearly the expected familial response to it, in detail and with, I thought, a certain wry subtlety.

So far from you:
12 year olds can come-on to people in a meaningful sense.
Women cannot consent (despite this clearly making your previous point meaningless);
The Bible does not address rape;
Outrage at rape is not a psychologically normal response;
in fact a blase attitude to rape demonstrates your own virility.





Anonymous Kat January 14, 2018 10:42 AM  

I'm having trouble tracking down the full text of the original article, but James B Jordan did some writing on the question of women and their treatment in the OT. Here's a link to a portion of it. He ends up asserting that free women in the OT had a lot more personal power via possessions and personal connections than even many free women in the US today. Rather interesting. And Jordan (for those who don't know) is certainly no milktoast popularizer of watered down theology.

http://hornes.org/mark/2007/10/jim-jordan-comparing-the-modern-wife-to-that-of-the-ot/

Blogger John rockwell January 14, 2018 10:43 AM  

@Nate
''Mary, the mother of Jesus, was probably no more than fourteen years old when she gave birth to the Son of God.''

Weitzel, Eugene. J. (2010). I Want to Be a Husband and Father for Life and a Catholic Priest Forever. U.S.: Xilbris Corporation. p. 113


You know I wish this was made up but those seem to be the facts:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/marriage_age.htm

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/marriage_age.html

If there is evidence that this is made up and this is not how people of did things 2000 years ago in the Holy Land I would like to know.








Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 10:44 AM  

Just what is it about the beacons of light that they make up such a small percentage of the population (~2%) and yet seem to commit a very large number of sexual assaults and financial crimes.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 14, 2018 10:46 AM  

Having no idea who she is I searched her name and looked at the images. It's a litany of highly sexualized pictures. Just that right there lends some credence to the notion that she was molested at an early age.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 10:47 AM  

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Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 10:48 AM  

@89 Do you think I was trying too hard to be subtle?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 10:49 AM  

What is it about retarded monomaniacs who invent new euphemisms for their obsessions in a childish attempt to play fast and loose with the blog rules?

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 10:49 AM  

> No, you get a fine AND a shotgun wedding

If you are going to cavil about my conjunctions, you'd better be correct. The two options are a fine if the father refuses to give the daughter, or a fine and perma-marriage. Not that it diminishes my point in the slightest either way.

> Funny how certain people want to take only specific parts of the OT Law's civil section

Not as funny as Churchians clutching their pearls about their daughters' much-trafficked vaginas.

> you're the one who stated there were not three mentions of Rape in the Bible.

No I didn't. I asked Nate to provide three examples, knowing that he couldn't come up with any that are relevant to refuting anything I have said. The Bible is sublimely unconcerned with the consent of war brides - "cry it out".

You're a midwit or whatever, so I'm going to try to remember to ignore you.

> By "normal" I mean "12-year-old girls who have not been sexually abused". Less than 1 percent of children under the age of 12 have lost their virginity. The average age in the USA is 16.4.

None of which denies the truth of Laz's experience. It is hard for the horny subset of girls to lose their virginity to the adult men they are attracted to in the USA, because those men fear prison. Jim of Jim's Blog has reported similar experiences and dealt with the same overreaction.

> Are you a Christian?

I am delighted that the "answer questions" rule is again enforced, and have answered, although it remains in moderation.

Blogger The Kurgan January 14, 2018 10:49 AM  

As far as I'm concerned you should be impaled. To encourage the others like you.

Blogger VD January 14, 2018 10:50 AM  

While I have no direct experience in this matter, I agree that Laz is correct, disturbing thought it may be.

Koanic, you have neither knowledge of nor experience with women. Laz is not correct. He's a childhood druggie who grew up in pedoville. He may well be a pedo himself, given his risible claims about how many pre-teen girls just come on to him for no reason.

Little girls like me too. But I understand the qualitative difference between them wanting attention from me and twenty-something young women wanting more. Laz obviously doesn't.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 10:51 AM  

"Just what is it about the beacons of light that they make up such a small percentage of the population (~2%) and yet seem to commit a very large number of sexual assaults and financial crimes."

Even my early X-to-late-boomer father is becoming increasingly aware of this entirely on his own, and I'd only call him maybe halfway red-pilled. There's a reason both of my parents are partially convinced the world is slowly ending, they've lived pretty much exactly through the major decline period.

Blogger Gloriam Deo January 14, 2018 10:51 AM  

Whoever that moron is further up who claimed 12 year olds were coming in to him, he needs to be smacked around. I have taught Sunday school at my church for years. During that time, plenty of little girls have gotten sweet on me. (As little girls do.) They try and get close to you, sure. But they aren’t coming on to you. They don’t want sex. They want male attention (these were typically girls without a father) or they had a puppy love kinda thing going and they wanted to spend time with you. Either way, they don’t want sex of their own accord. It’s not something they are even thinking about.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 10:52 AM  

@99: I didn't invent it, but will bear the consequences ... and generally don't swing that way ... (Slaps self silly!)

Anonymous Homesteader January 14, 2018 10:56 AM  

With the epidemic of precocious puberty in girls ( environmental estrogens, excess caloric intake, et al) many girls these days have menarche and full secondary sexual development by age 12. Mentally, however, they are still, for all practical purposes, children.

Compounding this, unfortunately, is our hyper-sexualized culture, that winks at Lolita imagery. (That's a whole, separate, topic.)

(As a father of a 14 year old girl, I deal with this issue evey day.)

However, even if that were true for the Dushku girl- and even if she was "coming on"?? to him-(doubtful, at best- grown men scare girls that age)

IT EXCUSES NOTHING..

If we wish to reclaim our fallen civilization, we must stop the abnegation of responsibility. We, as adults, are responsible for our behavior. FULL STOP. A child is A CHILD. FULL STOP. There are no mitigating factors here.

The subtext of "I couldn't help myself- she was asking for it" is alien to our culture. Even with the massive influx of wretched refuse of the last 50 years- they are NOT US.

So, all this posturing, in the end, is so much bullshit.

Don't fuck kids. Period.

(And, yes, I carry, have many weapons, train in their use, and as my daughter repeatedly tells me- "Dad, you scare all my friends..")

One of a father's many jobs, I guess.

And cocaine just made my throat numb.

Blogger Koanic January 14, 2018 10:57 AM  

> Koanic, you have neither knowledge of nor experience with women.

Well, I don't know Laz, but you are quite wrong about me, so I tend to doubt your psychic powers.

Blogger Grape January 14, 2018 11:00 AM  

That's a pretty good memory the accused has to remember what he did on a specific day 23 years ago. Almost too good. If the accuser is correct, I can see her remembering details from being raped even 23 years later. But if the accused is right it would have just been a somewhat normal day.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 11:04 AM  

I would say, based on my experiences as a teen, a young adult, and later as a parent, that normal 12-year old white and Asian girls (because I lived in places were there where such) do not behave in a highly sexualized manner and do not come on to older guys.

However, I have noticed a disturbing trend over the last 30 or so years where teenage children have been more and more sexualized in the media and especially PedoWood (not a euphemism Josh) and I do not think the trend is normal or safe.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 11:05 AM  

@100 You are blowing chaff. Again.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 11:05 AM  

"If anyone tires of Hollywood depravity and it's cover ups pick a list of small towns in Flyover country and look up the registration on city-data for sex offenders."

Exactly where I grew up, in three different states. Sluts for days.

"If your first reaction to hearing that a 12 year old girl was sexually molested by a 36 year old is, "well not to excuse him, but she was probably asking for it after all the drugs she was given" you shouldn't be surprised when other peoples' reaction to that is, "what is wrong with you?"

I'm not surprised at all, I knew it would be controversial... and apparently misconstrued.

From the comments, obviously I was different from a lot of other commenters in that I knew full well what I was doing at 12-ish was wrong. Don't bother telling me I couldn't because I remember many episodes vividly... and suffered the consequences. I give full credit to my father for making me finally grow up.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 11:09 AM  

@110 at 12 you might know you're doing wrong, and for what it's worth I apologize for any misconstrual; but at 12 you are not neurologically capable of fully understanding the implications of your actions. That's why you were able to "grow up" from there; instruction, and the capacity to properly understand it.

Anonymous Dr. J January 14, 2018 11:10 AM  

Coincidence? Just a day after we discussed a decline in the comments section, we have creepos explaining justified sexual predation of 12 year olds.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 11:14 AM  

And we are starting to see more and more claims about another immigrant community that contains sexual predators:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/952390120157601792

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 11:16 AM  

No one here is justifying it as far as I can tell.

That being said, Koanic, you probably should have linked to a different post on the question as to whether you were a Christian. I recall you answering me in the affirmative as to that question. You linking to a post where your answer was spammed just looks like a dick gamma move trying to get a backhanded one-up in another thread.

Not that I haven't made dick gamma moves myself (I probably have), but please don't.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 11:16 AM  

@100; I could be wrong, sure. So explain in terms suited to a midwit-or-whatever, how I've misunderstood the general thrust of your argument. Just lay it out simply.

"I can't possibly explain this to you proles" is a typically midwit or even bog-average rote-learners' response; and note that I do grasp most of VD's ideas quite readily. Hell, I've even anticipated a couple to a very modest degree, much to my own satisfaction, since whatever he is, VD is formidable.

So lay it out and I'll listen.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid January 14, 2018 11:17 AM  

It's worth remembering Ms. Dushku is probably most famous for her turn as Faith on "Buffy," helmed by Joss Wheedon. Wheedon's own ex outed his affairs with actresses, fans, etc.

Blogger tuberman January 14, 2018 11:19 AM  

The question is: Can normies right now even come close to being Red-Pilled by Pedo awareness? It's all true and far worse, but my guess is the word "Traitors" will be trendy for a few months before Pedos get on their radar.

Foreshadowing is good though. This is me being optimistic again, as I do think normies have to be fully conscious of these hideious crimes.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 11:20 AM  

And, yes, more of these stories are coming out:

https://www.dangerous.com/38196/male-feminist-pedophile-complains-judge-sci-fi-objectifies-women/

Defending Weixelman in court, attorney Robert Downes presented character witnesses. His father praised his son as a storyteller, screenwriter, and movie maker, adding that jail was “traumatic experience” for his son.

PedoWood indeed!

Blogger haus frau January 14, 2018 11:24 AM  

"Yes places like Mexico or Turkey sanction sex with 12 year olds. Shitholes."

Thats more a reflection of the sexual preferences of adult men in those societies than the precocious sexual antics of little girls.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 11:26 AM  

And who can forget that bastion of morality, Jim Carrey?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4819940/Jim-Carrey-lied-Herpes-outbreak-ex-told-therapist.html

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 11:31 AM  

"Laz is not correct. He's a childhood druggie who grew up in pedoville. He may well be a pedo himself, given his risible claims about how many pre-teen girls just come on to him for no reason.

Little girls like me too. But I understand the qualitative difference between them wanting attention from me and twenty-something young women wanting more. Laz obviously doesn't."

Well done, cruelty artist indeed!

Childhood druggie is probably apt, although I rarely touched anything stronger than weed or alcohol.

If I lived in pedoville growing up then it's way more rampant than any of us thought.

Your pedo claim is just as risible as your claim of me not knowing the difference between seeking attention and something more. Believe me, it's a disturbing situation and I don't wish it on any of you.

Anonymous Evstratios January 14, 2018 11:38 AM  

There's a couple people in this thread that need to shut their mouths and never return. There's no difference between this shitbag laz and my bible koanic. You don't need a gun to crush a mans skull like an egg either. You'll both burn in hell with the likes of kramer, degenerate goofs. What a sick display, in public no less.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 14, 2018 11:39 AM  

(((Pedwood values))) are Murikan values. Just ask our founding mother Emma Lazarus.

Anonymous BBGKB January 14, 2018 11:41 AM  

Burn baby burn. Long live the GROPENCAUST.

According to Kramer, Dushku swam in the hotel pool with him and other members of the stunt crew, including Dushku’s stunt double.

Stunt double report to the casting couch.

There's a big difference in a 5yo and a horny 12yo. Add in the cocaine they plied her

I still say that 15yo boys have their lives ruined by the likes of Bryan Singer, even if they don't realize it themselves until they hit 30 and have no one willing to ply them with cocaine.

overtly gay photographers ...what do you want to bet MeToo doesn't apply to them?

Their victims don't realize they are victims until no one is willing to trade cocaine for sex with them.

I've had several friend's daughters that age seriously come on to me, no drugs needed.

Soldiers in Afghanistan get felt up by baka bazi boys, who have already had their lives ruined.

Don't try to be clever to get around the rules.

I must have missed when it was put out that 2 oos was too many.

Surely 20% of 12-year-Old girls on Earth is a sizable number

44% of 8yo black girls have hit puberty. Numbers lesser for lower crime races
Ok this link gives for age 7 https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/12/02/367811777/how-girls-are-developing-earlier-in-an-age-of-new-puberty

"Yes places like Mexico or Turkey sanction sex with 12 year olds. Shitholes."

Anderson Cooper & Fred Reed reporting

I am open to any and all suggestions. Something that I can easily pull out to clean in front of potential suitors.

You should have 3. A bolt action, a shot gun, & semi auto. You can't use the one you are cleaning.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 14, 2018 11:41 AM  

I just love how commentators (trolls) here are saying she was 12 and therefore sexually active.

That doesn't matter. Kramer had both a moral and professional responsibility to not do what he did. He was 36, she was 12. There is no place in current American culture for this kind of behavior.

I don't know why this is so hard to figure out for some people. Seriously, if you think she was complicit in this and therefore Kramer wasn't completely responsible for his actions, you are deranged.

Blogger pyrrhus January 14, 2018 11:41 AM  

When men (or women, as in the Vagina Monologues) talk about young girls "coming on to them", that pretty much cements their guilt. Young girls (or boys) are not psychologically ready for sexual activity and are not capable of soliciting it. And as several cases I have seen confirm, such contact, even of a minor variety, can and usually does have a lasting and very negative effect on them. As a good friend of mine said recently (she had been molested as a child), she has never been able to fully trust people since that time....

Blogger Robert What? January 14, 2018 11:44 AM  

Fools. Don't they know you are legally only allowed to groom and molest children if you are a Muslim migrant?

Blogger pyrrhus January 14, 2018 11:45 AM  

@123 Exactly...Kramer's attempt to justify his conduct just makes it worse...And the fact that he actively sought to get her trust first makes it still worse, and probably something he has done multiple times...

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 14, 2018 11:45 AM  

Unfortunately Heartiste isn't sending his best

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 14, 2018 11:46 AM  

@105  What do you bet that it's harder to get puberty-blocking drugs for these girls than one who declares they are "transgender"?

Anonymous BBGKB January 14, 2018 11:46 AM  

OT;) Coalition of fringes finally rejects Holocost card

Gay Trump supporter invokes the Holocaust to argue he’s the REAL victim of intolerance

https://www.queerty.com/gay-guy-lost-friends-supports-trump-hey-found-soul-20180109

Blogger The Kurgan January 14, 2018 11:47 AM  

...and that's two commenters that should be impaled now...

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 14, 2018 11:48 AM  

Be Deplorable, Not Afraid wrote:It's worth remembering Ms. Dushku is probably most famous for her turn as Faith on "Buffy," helmed by Joss Wheedon.
Or as the star of ‘Dollhouse’, a show that portrayed multiple personalities as a superpower. Much like ‘Firefly’ portrayed limbic system damage, specifically a ‘stripped amygdala’, as a superpower.

I sense a pattern here.

Anonymous Avalanche January 14, 2018 11:49 AM  

@103 "During that time, plenty of little girls have gotten sweet on me. (As little girls do.) They try and get close to you, sure. But they aren’t coming on to you. They don’t want sex. They want male attention (these were typically girls without a father)"

Bingo, bravo, and well-written! Exactly, precisely, and only a perv could not see that!

The little girls are also are feeling, as an essay I read put it: "the first faint stirrings of womanhood." So, they may indeed by trying out flirting (while not actually knowing the adult following-on to flirting!) and seeing how to gain male attention, and seeing how it feels to get male attention -- and they OUGHT TO BE 100% SAFE!! The adult, or almost adult, males towards whom they *practice* are not supposed to take advantage (and then blame it on the little girls).

Hell, do you think the guy in the dojo learning how to hurt someone is supposed to ACT on the 'apparent attack' and kill his opponent/teacher?! Or is the opponent/teacher supposed to be a SAFE OBJECT against whom to test out new skills?

Does the tiger cub learning to attack and catch prey get murdered by his sibs or parents when he jumps on them *as if they were* prey?! Or are they indulged in their practice BUT SAFE!!

Yes, Laz seems to be twisted.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 14, 2018 11:49 AM  

I have an MP shield 9mm which I found as easier to disasmble and reassemble without any risk of my inadvertently sending the slide spring off into space like my first gun a Ruger P89.

But if it's more for show, I gotta say there is something about polishing a stainless revolver.

Anonymous 1337kestrel January 14, 2018 11:50 AM  

Tween girls crush on (young) adult men, but it would be vanishingly rare for them to make any kind of sexual move. They're more prone to sit next to you or ask you to take them shopping.

It's irrelevant. Even if she's a coked up, sexually active abuse victim you can't take advantage of that.

Anonymous Scott January 14, 2018 11:59 AM  

Laz is one of three things:

1) liar
2) a groomer not unlike the gangs in England
3) both 1 and 2

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 14, 2018 12:04 PM  

The quality of comment issue is in full effect.

The West has always recognized that girls, as a population, are incapable of rational sexual decisions; see age of consent laws in our current legalistic utopia, and family involvement in courtship in earlier times. As some posters have noted, adolescence is a confusing and vulnerable time, but the child no more wants to engage in adult sexual play than they want to trade their college fund for a cool new game. The long-term implications are beyond them.

The question of the existence of unabused adolescent femme fatales irresistibly seducing adult men is irrelevant. These creatures, if they did exist, cannot “consent” in the same way that the pedo in the scenario does. They could, however, reevaluate their exploitation in the future, as their capacity for moral reasoning develops, and bring an overdue reckoning.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 12:08 PM  

OT, but now we know that the employee who pushed the button in Hawaii is going to be retrained, what are the bets on his or her race?

Anonymous Kat January 14, 2018 12:09 PM  

At five I had a "crush" on a pastor at my church. Made up songs about him saving all the souls of people headed for hell. Doesn't mean I was precocious or "coming on" to anyone.

Little girls like strength and status. Even as kids we aren't stupid. Ideally Daddy is the biggest baddest dog in our town, but if he isn't we'll latch on to some other man. Anyone who thinks that is sexual needs to move far, far away from other people.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 14, 2018 12:24 PM  

In all the years I have been reading and commenting I never thought I'd find someone get more than two posts in excusing pedophilia. Heck, the guy says, "#metoo, I've had grade school age girls come on to me."

This may shock you but I have heard this before. I was a cop. At some point every single perv says, "she came on to me." It doesn't matter if the victim is three. It doesn't matter if it was a ten year old girl I found bleeding on a filthy mattress while adult men laughed about it in the next room.

So no I never thought I'd see someone here claiming it's even near normal or making the same sick excuses I'd heard dozens of times.

I couldn't read every post in the thread so if we were told to drop it I apologize.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 12:27 PM  

I applaud your guys vehemence, but it would be better projected towards real pervs.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 14, 2018 12:29 PM  

The P-89 was a solid gun. I ran twenty thousand rounds through mine without a malfunction and managed to maintain a, 'master' rating with it for years. Easy to maintain too.

Blogger ChangYeeFong January 14, 2018 12:30 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:In all the years I have been reading and commenting I never thought I'd find someone get more than two posts in excusing pedophilia. Heck, the guy says, "#metoo, I've had grade school age girls come on to me."

This may shock you but I have heard this before. I was a cop. At some point every single perv says, "she came on to me." It doesn't matter if the victim is three. It doesn't matter if it was a ten year old girl I found bleeding on a filthy mattress while adult men laughed about it in the next room.

So no I never thought I'd see someone here claiming it's even near normal or making the same sick excuses I'd heard dozens of times.

I couldn't read every post in the thread so if we were told to drop it I apologize.


Brick most of us whose seen this shit up close have heard this before. Vox even gave his own experience with hearing it. I myself have heard it when I had a guy in my squad say the same shit, one of my many regrets in life was we needed him so I didn't do shit. We haven't been told to drop it and most everybody else is crapping on the two who doesn't realize the problem is them and not the girls.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 14, 2018 12:33 PM  

If nothing happened, then the "she came on to me" is totally irrelevant even if true. It's practically an admission of guilt.

Anonymous trev006 January 14, 2018 12:34 PM  

Chang, this isn't a rhetorical question: how bad could you have possibly needed that guy? Wouldn't be surprised if he got in real trouble down the line, and it'd be worse for you if he was on your squad at the time.

Blogger Gloriam Deo January 14, 2018 12:35 PM  

@Avalanche
It’s exactly that inability on the part of pedos to understand that the flirting child has no idea what comes after the flirting that makes me suspect pedophillia is a mental illness. I suspect it’s a lack of empathy which prevents them from placing themselves in the child’s shoes and seeing the situation from their perspective. I could be wrong, but I am willing to bet I am at least partially onto something.

Anonymous Laz January 14, 2018 12:37 PM  

@146. Brick Hardslab: "In all the years I have been reading and commenting I never thought I'd find someone get more than two posts in excusing pedophilia. Heck, the guy says, "#metoo, I've had grade school age girls come on to me."

I'm not excusing pedos at all, they give me the creeps just like anyone else. The couple incidents were explicit and disturbing to me. Feel free to have VD put us in contact and you can do a whole background. There's no sexual impropriety in my past.

Blogger The Kurgan January 14, 2018 12:37 PM  

Yes. Markku and I have agreed as long as the leader is Catholic and no prosletysing the Crusade can go ahead without issue.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 14, 2018 12:44 PM  

Laz, I'm trying to be as charitable as possible here. If a 12 year old girl came on to you once, it probably doesn't mean anything. If several 12 year old girls made sexual advances on you, one of two things appear likely. Either A) you are misinterpreting innocent childhood interactions as sexual advances or B) you are (consciously or not) sending signals that you are an adult who would be receptive to such advances.

Neither of those possibilities speaks well of you.

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 14, 2018 12:45 PM  

@ 147. Laz

First you raise an irrelevant aside, then draw the wrong conclusions from your digression. If you have actually observed adult sexual agression in children, the correct question is not whether the child is ready to rock, but what is driving the aberrant behavior.

On the other hand, if you misinterpret a "crush' or infatuation, which is self-evidently non-sexual in adult terms, that calls your own perspective into question.

Your comment isn't just inane, it unjustly ascribes moral culpability to a victim, which is itself immoral. You may not be a pedo, but, as pointed out above, your attitude is a common pedo defense. The vitriol is earned.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 12:54 PM  

The comment about young teenaged girls trying to hang around older males because the girls lack father figures in their family is an excellent point.

Much like people being abused, even if they don't understand who or how, will correctly intuit that they ARE being abused eventually (even if they attribute it to something ridiculous and impossible), people lacking necessary role models will try to find them in other places whether appropriate or not.

Blogger RofflesLowell January 14, 2018 12:57 PM  

My spouse, who used to work for a small film company,
has sworn for years that ScarJo's mom was prosti-totting her around Hollywood years before she became a household name. I trust his info; he gave me the scoop on Spacey a decade ago, fwiw

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 12:58 PM  

"Markku and I have agreed as long as the leader is Catholic and no prosletysing the Crusade can go ahead without issue."

Orthodox and protestants welcome?

Blogger ChangYeeFong January 14, 2018 1:07 PM  

trev006 wrote:Chang, this isn't a rhetorical question: how bad could you have possibly needed that guy? Wouldn't be surprised if he got in real trouble down the line, and it'd be worse for you if he was on your squad at the time.

I was with the 26th MEU deployed in Bosnia in 98. We were part of A company's recon team and a lot of times we were in country with only each other. When you've trained together for months and then have a year long deployment together it gets tough to just remove somebody while your forward deployed, just because you don't like them. I'm 5'6" and even though I might be strong I am not the DAR while the other guy was 6'1" so that was his job. The question was do I get rid of the guy whom I know I can depend on in a firefight or do you opt out of the unit and the rest of the team that you've been training with for a long time that you feel that you belong and is doing the job your are suppose to protecting the innocent or do you just tell the big fucker as long as he ain't sticking it to any civilians and just assuage his taste on the knock shops that have those types of girls.

After I got out frankly I never talked to the guy ever again and last I heard he's gotten out and frankly I'm not a one man vigilante. If he ever gets on my sights I'm sure him and I will figure out whose the better killer, but until then I've got a wife and kids.

Blogger S1AL January 14, 2018 1:08 PM  

"Orthodox and protestants welcome?"

I'd accept the terms as stated, on the understanding that no proselytizing within the Faith is taken seriously, and the basis rests upon the universally-accepted Councils (so as to not upset the non-Chalcedonians).

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 14, 2018 1:13 PM  

If you don't want people to think you're a creep, don't say creepy shit. This ain't hard.

Blogger DonReynolds January 14, 2018 1:17 PM  

Wake me when someone actually gets arrested and charged with a felony crime.

There have been literally scores of accusations, media announcements, woopla, protests, and rich MEN forced from high visibility positions of authority...but for all of the crime talk, there have been no arrests and I will be surprised if there are any.

First, there is never any proof or evidence, other than the complaint itself.

Second, too many of these complaints were triggered by refusal of the rich and powerful to pay big bucks in blackmail, or extortion, or hush-money....and there is likely plenty of proof of that fact, which is also a crime itself.

Third, none of these events were reported to the police when they happened and now it has been two decades, or three, or four, or five since the event....so a certain amount of the accusations would qualify as repressed memory, or hysteria, or panic.

Fourth, not only does the statute of limitations put an outer limit on how long people should wait before seeking justice through the police and courts, but the activity may not have been illegal at the time. Yes, that is right, American society only recently criminalized much of what used to be considered normal behavior. Each state had their own law and what was illegal in one state may be entirely legal in another state. Some states had the age of consent as low as 11 and 12 and 13 in the not so distant past, and for many states it was only 16. The police do not like getting dragged into these things 30 or 40 years later, with only hearsay evidence, and the crime scene paved over by a parking lot.

Fifth, too many of these events were quid pro quo....sex in exchange for help with their career, or better casting, or being introduced to the right people, or a good reference. Often there were parents involved, who agreed to the exchange. Reasonable questions could be asked about the role of "prostitution" mixed in with the "abuse". No, Harvey may not be any girl's idea of dreamboat, but he had the ability to make all her other dreams come true...even for a marginal stage talent. Yes, there is a casting couch and yes it has been used thousands of times and much of the time they knew exactly what they were agreeing to.

Blogger Beau January 14, 2018 1:23 PM  

"Dad, you scare all my friends.."

Precisely.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 14, 2018 1:30 PM  

Laz wrote:Childhood druggie is probably apt, although I rarely touched anything stronger than weed or alcohol.

If I lived in pedoville growing up then it's way more rampant than any of us thought.

Your friends who were supplying you with drugs were whoring themselves out to their adult suppliers to get them. Hanging out with druggies skewed your idea of normality more than your location did.

VD wrote:They are wired wrong and genuinely believe it.

There you go, Laz. You're just wired wrong.

From Laz's other comments, he was ‘weirded out’ by it, and got away from those friends. People who are ‘wired wrong’ don't get freaked out by it.

And the next line you replied to in that comment was from ‘Heartiste Reader’, the latest name used by the sower-of-discord troll who used to e.g. quote John C. Wright out of context about civic nationalism. You seem to have mistaken that for Laz.

DonReynolds wrote:Second, too many of these complaints were triggered by refusal of the rich and powerful to pay big bucks in blackmail, or extortion, or hush-money....and there is likely plenty of proof of that fact, which is also a crime itself.
According to the story Vox quoted and linked to in this post, Ms. Dushku saw ‘an internet photo of Joel Kramer hugging a young girl’ a few weeks ago. It can easily take a person a few weeks to report a crime of this sort once they realize that they need to report it.

Third, none of these events were reported to the police when they happened and now it has been two decades, or three, or four, or five since the event....so a certain amount of the accusations would qualify as repressed memory, or hysteria, or panic.
Ms. Dushku told her guardian about this at the time, and her guardian reported it to ‘a person in authority’.

DonReynolds wrote:Yes, that is right, American society only recently criminalized much of what used to be considered normal behavior. […] Some states had the age of consent as low as 11 and 12 and 13 in the not so distant past, and for many states it was only 16.
Screwing 13-year-olds was not normal in 1994.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 14, 2018 1:31 PM  

"The age of consent in many parts of the world is 12. The recent Turkish fatwa said nine was good."

Turns out the Laz are an ethnic group related to the Georgians, who live in the northeast corner of Turkey, and are Muslim.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 14, 2018 1:36 PM  

@164 Beau, my daughter appreciated the chaperoning from us and her big brother. She didn't always like it at the time but looking back she's happy we did it. Kids need daddy to make sure everyone knows the kids are being watched and who is watching.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 1:48 PM  

Back when people could get married at 11-12-13 w/e "consent" wasn't a thing last I checked.

Also, if they were getting married at that age, you can bet their parents were involved.

Blogger James January 14, 2018 1:49 PM  

I just have a question that all males have. Given that females CAN be liars of the first order, what should be the consequence for the female if their is no evidence of the #MeToo charges? I mean, if someone like Reese Witherspoon can claim victimhood years after the event (not that she named a name), and if the "molester" can have his life ruined, what is the cost the lying female should be punished with? Plus, you can't punish the female if she is still under the legal age. Do you believe that the father of the girl should be punished in the same manner as what the "molester" experienced?

Anonymous Peter B January 14, 2018 1:51 PM  

There's not a lot actually known about the effect of cocaine on female sexual desire. What science there is doesn't support the statement that snorting coke will make a 12 year old girl "ready to rock."

Mostly what there is has to do with what female addicts will do to get drugs, which is probably not relevant to the 12 year old Eliza Dushku.

Sexually mature females absorb less of the drug than males; at some phases of the menstrual cycle a fair amount less.

Among the sparse somewhat relevant citations was this; it reports the information gained from interviewing "heavy users of cocaine.":

"...male users were found to have greater levels of sexual enhancement from cocaine, than were female users. Another finding was that freebasers and snorters of the drug had similar levels of sexual impairment, while injectors experienced far worse levels of sexual dysfunction. The widespread mythology that cocaine is always a sexual aphrodisiac was certainly not confirmed by this research effort. It was found that there were a myriad of responses to the same dosage level of cocaine, depending, in part, upon the setting of the usage, as well as the background experiences of the user."

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 1:54 PM  

@169: Well, let me see!

Remove her good looks. Remove her credibility. Fine her a few thousand.

However, if she accused someone outside of PedoWood, more severe punishment is in order.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 14, 2018 1:54 PM  

The idea of blaming the cocaine or whatever just makes things even worse somehow. We've got this thing called PNP culture, for "Party And Play", and this is basically drug fuelled sex sessions. The drugs of choice these days seem to be Viagra coupled with crystal meth. I happen to know way too much about it since our mayor went down in sordid gay PNP scandal last year. Sigh. But back in the 80s, these people were all about cocaine-fueled sex.

It, like crystal meth, is a simulant which increases blood flow but at the same time it's desensitizing. So these PNP sessions are noted for their marathon nature and also rough play. That's a particularly horrific thing to subject a teen girl to, as if taking advantage of her without the drugs isn't bad enough.

Whatsmore, how much is a 12-year old girl going to weigh? 80lbs soaking wet? You're feeding her a bunch of drugs, what in the hell is wrong with you? Well, the end goal is raping her, so I guess these monsters just don't give a damn about humanity, innocence, or anything but getting their rocks off anyway.

On Thanksgiving in 1980, Don Henly of the Eagles fame called up the Hollywood Madame, got two teen girls delivered, and almost killed them accidently with cocaine while raping them. EMTs saved them. How he wasn't put away for life amazes, but no -- he wrote a song called "Dirty Laundry" crying about his own supposed persecution, and they gave him a Grammy for it.



Anonymous SugarPi January 14, 2018 1:55 PM  

Next up: "The sheep came on to me,"

Blogger DonReynolds January 14, 2018 1:57 PM  

@165 LurkingPuppy
"Screwing 13-year-olds was not normal in 1994."

It was not normal for me and it probably was not for you either, but among Negroes and Hispanics, 13 was seldom considered too young and very often much younger.

But just so you do not think this is a racial defect of any sort. I was one of four Child Health Planning Specialists in my state back in 1992 and part of my job was to interview school nurses in a 19 county area. Nearly all of them reported the same thing....their biggest problem was sexually active (and aggressive) 13 year old girls.

These girls were actually too old for some of the local pedos. There was an empty house next to the elementary school campus (grades K-6), where the local pedos met the girls privately and provided them with drugs and alcohol and praise and etc. The school nurse knew about the house next to her campus and had reported it to the police but nothing was done about it.

Blogger phunktor January 14, 2018 1:58 PM  

@173 SugarPi
G'day mate! You're a worthless loser! That sheep was fuuuugly! Next time try a pukeka, nice and tight even for you!

Anonymous Just another commenter January 14, 2018 2:00 PM  

I've taught in middle schools. I've seen tween girls act flirtatious toward other students and teachers, exploring their newfound powers of turning guys' brains to mush. I've seen fellow students wrapped around their finger, and I've also seen teachers shut that shit down. Some MS girls are very manipulative. I've seen girls try to get away with bad behavior in my own class and give me the fluttery-eyed "what, sweet innocent little me, do something wrong?" and then get angry when they don't get away with it. Not a majority by any means, but it happens. But the vast majority of it isn't deliberately "coming on" to anyone, it's just young-and-ignorant exploring manipulation and relationships.

OTOH, one time I was at a birthday party one of my kids had been invited to. Elementary school age. I'd brought my DSLR to get a few pictures of him playing on the inflatables. A number of the kids saw it (it stands out among all the smartphone users) and mugged for the camera in a typical innocent young kid sort of way. I watched my son go by on the "obstacle course" inflatable and snapped a pic; right behind him was a girl of 9 or 10 whom I'd never seen before, also an invitee. She saw the camera, her face lit up, and she struck a pose that was so amazingly "off" and weird that it creeped me the hell out. It was not crotch-grabbing obscene, but it was clearly and overtly sexual in a way I'd never seen a kid that age even come close too. I didn't take her pic, and put the camera away for the rest of the night. I didn't see anyone whom I thought her parents were there, and didn't see who picked her up, but it was seriously strange. Looking back, I'd have to guess is was more than possible she'd been groomed and subjected to being a child pron victim.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 2:02 PM  

I for one have always been in favor of double jeopardy for false accusations. By this I mean:

#1: If the accusation can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be true, punish the accused.

#2: If the accusation cannot be proven either true or false beyond a reasonable doubt, nothing happens either way.

#3: If the accusation can be proven false beyond a reasonable doubt, subject the accuser to the full weight of punishment the accused would have received.

If the accused can be severely punished when beyond reasonable doubt, the accuser should be able to be as well. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

Blogger DonReynolds January 14, 2018 2:11 PM  

Correction....there have been incidents where school nurses went off-campus to bring back girls who were meeting local pedos. The police were later involved and always gave out stern warnings to school nurses about taking the law into their own hands or even leaving the campus, where they had no lawful jurisdiction. Some people got a ride in the back of a police cruiser and stern words from the police but there were no actual charges and everyone was released.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 14, 2018 2:19 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Nearly all of them reported the same thing....their biggest problem was sexually active (and aggressive) 13 year old girls.

These girls were actually too old for some of the local pedos. There was an empty house next to the elementary school campus (grades K-6), where the local pedos met the girls privately and provided them with drugs and alcohol and praise and etc.

Again, you are reasoning about the population as a whole based on a skewed sample.

I hope you have made a recent report about that situation, now that the Feds are actually trying to punish the pedos and their accomplices throughout local, state, and Federal government. Even if the specific crimes you knew of can't be prosecuted now, the persons who were involved back then are likely to have participated in other, more recent crimes.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 14, 2018 2:25 PM  

Setting aside that Brad Renfro was (sadly)likely to have been molested by child talent mgr, Marty Weiss, probably by Brian Peck & Gary Goddard, (& more), as well, everyone should understand that there was an even more brazen ring of pedophiles operating around that time period in Hollywood. River Phoenix,Renfro,Todd Bridges,the Coreys,Dana Plato, and many other young child actors, some famous, some not. What you are referring to as "horny" & "ready to rock" & young teens doing blow, is not, and WAS NOT the norm for that time period, even in the wilder groups of kids. In the late 80s-early 90s, "partying" 12-13 yr olds were more likely to smoke weed & maybe try a little speed, maybe tongue kissing & dry humping another teen.
They weren't cutting & doing lines of blow like pros or trying to get it on w/38 yr old men, unless they had been repeatedly passed around, used, abused, & drugged up by dirty old Hollywood pervs.

Blogger DonReynolds January 14, 2018 2:39 PM  

@179 LurkingPuppy
"Even if the specific crimes you knew of can't be prosecuted now, the persons who were involved back then are likely to have participated in other, more recent crimes."

I can tell you a few things about pedos. In the local community, they all know each other and have for decades. They constitute their own society. They trade girls the way some people trade baseball cards. The grooming can sometimes take years and they tend to keep a grip on the girls even after they grow up and get married. Yes, there may be more than one generation involved.

Jail time is never a cure for pedos. There is no rehabilitation and they never quit. They have the highest rates of recidivism of any felony, except for maybe counterfeiting and forgery. They never get too old and they usually start at a young age.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 14, 2018 2:41 PM  

Kramer is an idiot. A lowly stuntman trying to get away with this? A Hollywood veteran like him should have known only acclaimed directors can get away with drugging and raping children.

Blogger Anno Ruse January 14, 2018 3:05 PM  

"My spouse, who used to work for a small film company, has sworn for years that ScarJo's mom was prosti-totting her around Hollywood years before she became a household name."

I always thought she was a terrible actress with her monotone voice and dead eyes. Once I found out she was a child actress it all made sense. Once they stop casting her in Marvel movies I'm sure we'll find out all about it.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 14, 2018 3:12 PM  

If you don't want people to think you're a creep, don't say creepy shit. This ain't hard.

I assume they're just floating trial balloons to see if it's safe to come out or not.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 14, 2018 3:24 PM  

Just another comment to give you an idea what it's like to be a young girl when your 8, 9, 10, & adult male family members pull you down onto their laps & grind their boners against you, or catch you outside the bathroom, to push you against the wall & shove their tongue down your throat. To be a young girl of 11, 12, and have these men & your father's retired Army buddy & the local small grocer grab your butt, your budding boobs, kiss you, or shove their penis in your hand, while you are asleep, in your bed, put their hand up your shirt in a hospital elevator, where another relative is dying.
To be a young girl of 13, and held down & molested by one of your own cousins, until you're able to bite completely through his bottom lip, that later requires 8 stitches.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 14, 2018 3:34 PM  

Please forgive my meandering comments if they are slightly incoherently written, misspelled or seem triggered.
Writing these from the car on my phone, & Laz is a triggering jackhole. Implying that 12 yr olds are horny coke whores jonesing for slubby & grody 38 yr old Hollywood d*ck just does that to me.
I apologize.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 3:39 PM  

@185: Strangely, despite having a sister and little girls who lived next to me and them having a pool that I spent quite a bit of time in I never did any of those things. And then when I was 20 I walked from a 17-yo female who was likely confused who decided to show me her breasts.

However, I eventually managed to get married and have children and have spent something on the order of 30 years with my first and only wife.

Maybe it's because of the magik dirt where I lived.

Blogger James January 14, 2018 3:43 PM  

Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) wrote:@169: Well, let me see!

Remove her good looks. Remove her credibility. Fine her a few thousand.

However, if she accused someone outside of PedoWood, more severe punishment is in order.


How do you remove her good looks? Time will do that by itself. Do you mean throw acid in her face? Fine a few thousand? For ruining some man's reputation? Face it, even if he is found innocent, no one will ever look at him the same way as before.

At this point in the #MeToo phase, the female is going to be believed without any evidence. If it boils down to he said/she said, there would probably be no prosecution, even if the man was guilty. But, whether he was innocent or not, he would lose almost any chance to earn a living. There should be severe penalties for this. How many years of salary would you lose? What about slander? What about psychological duress?

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 4:01 PM  

@188: Indeed, and my point was that these allegations tend to come out when her looks are fading anyway.

I suspect that, because of the supply of willing young females, many of them consider the sexual favors as being necessary to get the position, but come to regret that lifestyle when they get older.

The question is, why do the predators congregate in certain places? Is it purely that the predators go where the prey are?

Are the sexual predators concentrated in certain racial groups, as it would seem or is there something else going on? Is it a correlation of risk-taking with sexually predatory behavior?

Anonymous If it's not in the Bible..... January 14, 2018 4:03 PM  

'Nearly all of them reported the same thing....their biggest problem was sexually active (and aggressive) 13 year old girls.'

Here's a sweet and innocent 14-year old, pure as the driven snow of course:

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/5605289_f520.jpg

No boners please!

I noticed two things when reading this thread. Firstly, Vox told a lie about Koanic's experience with women. God hates liars.
Secondly, Vox seeks to set himself above God in determining 'age of consent'. There is only one person who determines that (or rather there should be): the girl's father. Not the evil state, and certainly not any Puritianically progressive white knights on the internet. Lol, Hollywood girls, 95%+ are whores.

I recall when I was 11, playing on the school field, about a dozen boys, and a couple of girls hanging around, all the same age. One of the girls was the hottest in the class. She happily allowed every boy there to grind on her (fully clothed) for a few minutes, she was very good at grinding the right spot for her and us. This was before the internet age in the late 70s. She loved it, the boys loved it, and no doubt she went on to be a whore.

In a well-ordered (God-focussed) society, her father would have spotted her tendency to this behaviour, and would have married her off the instant she hit puberty (say 14). She would have married a good strong Christian man, and would have had many children, and been happy, and society would have benefitted too.

Until the *right* recognises the wisdom of the Lord God, and totally ejects modern humanist Puritan nonsense, we are lost, totally lost. Pedestalising Hollywood sluts is the path to defeat.

I look forward to Vox apologising for lying about Koanic too (there is literal proof online of Koanic's experience with women, but I won't link to it), and may God forgive him for his lies, and for ignoring the word of God, and thinking himself more holy. He ain't.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 14, 2018 4:04 PM  

@177:
@188:

How about yearly restitution from the accuser to the falsely accused, as a percentage of her salary?

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 14, 2018 4:10 PM  

@190:

Amen.

Anonymous Kevin January 14, 2018 4:11 PM  

Real pedophiles have broken brains. In interviews they describe that the victems flirted with them, made sexually agressive moves and generally that the victim was a willing participant. They will attribute these behaviors to very tough children. As Vox court case illustrates this is not a clever defense it’s a completely broken world seeing things no one is.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 14, 2018 4:12 PM  

@191: Sounds good to me ...

Meanwhile, another claim has surfaced, and if accurate, is a 10 on the Richter scale!

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-item-7-churchs-new-investment.html

Blogger haus frau January 14, 2018 4:33 PM  

"Here's a sweet and innocent 14-year old, pure as the driven snow of course:

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/5605289_f520.jpg"

Kim Kardashian is a poster child of horrific child sexualization by her own mother. Her own mother gave her the green light to start sleeping around at age 14. She very might have been one of those 12 years old's doing coke and soliciting older men that Laz keeps talking about. Yes, she is physically developed at 14. Physical development and mental development are not the same thing.
" There is only one person who determines that (or rather there should be): the girl's father."
So if dad gives consent for his 3 year girl to engage in sexual activity your version of god would be just fine with that.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 14, 2018 4:38 PM  

When VD posted about the quality of the comments recently, it hit me that it was true. I'd been gradually reading the comments section less and less.

This thread has highlighted VD's thoughts.

I don't usually comment on everything, but the conversations are (or were) generally illuminating. Even Big gay Steve, bless his heart.

And this has been illuminating, technically. But only to demonstrate that the quality has slipped.

And to The Kurgan,

I'm in, dude. Deus Vult.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 14, 2018 4:40 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Jail time is never a cure for pedos. There is no rehabilitation and they never quit.
You know that, and you know about a group of them who weren't punished, and you know that the Feds are cracking down on them now—and your response is to do nothing but shill defeatism to us.

If it's not in the Bible..... wrote:In a well-ordered (God-focussed) society, her father would have spotted her tendency to this behaviour,
He's probably the sick f----- who taught her to do that. We can't tolerate that in our society.

Jack Amok wrote:I assume they're just floating trial balloons to see if it's safe to come out or not.
No one is going to try that here. DonReynolds has always been a defeatist, and now we know what broke him. Koanic has always been an Old-Testament-lawyering monomaniac sperglord, and he's doomed to be kicked out of every blog he visits until six million of his descendants are— oh wait, we're not supposed to talk about them anymore.

Laz is the more interesting case, with two lessons:
* Child drug use and molestation go together. Moira Greyland mentioned the use of pot to (try to) involve children in sex acts; Laz's friends in middle school are another example. There's a pattern here; treat all exposure of children to recreational drugs as predatory. (More generally, all evil deeds go together, but I don't know of a non-spiritual mechanism for that yet.)
* People who instinctively recognize that something is seriously wrong, but have somehow been taught that it is natural or can happen on its own, will not respond effectively to it. (In Laz's case, most of the children he grew up with had been molested, and he never knew it.) This is why the Left fills our culture (literature, music, comics, TV and movies, etc.) with degeneracy of all sorts. When people have been indoctrinated for all their lives that e.g. homosexuals are ‘born that way’, and then their child comes out as homosexual, they won't know to grab a pitchfork and hunt for the pedophile who perverted their kid.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 4:59 PM  

"How about yearly restitution from the accuser to the falsely accused, as a percentage of her salary?"

This would be equivalent to a cure for gonorrhea that only works if your whole society has hepatitis C. Sure, gonorrhea probably hurts more, but it's also not typically going to kill you.

What I mean is, in an otherwise healthy society most women won't have salaries like that.

No, she needs to have her face and name smeared across the news and be registered as a sex offender. Because she is one. She also needs to serve the jail time and to be liable for any fines or damages. If she can't pay them, they transfer over to any future spouse like a negative dowry.

Classic boy who cried wolf, with all the increased future predatory vulnerability that implies. Harsh and likely life-obliterating? Yes, but precisely so is the result to her would-be victim.

Blogger Sambuca Ford January 14, 2018 5:08 PM  

It seems Aziz Ansari is next on the firing line. Lololol.

My question is, which accuse ends this? Spielberg? Tarantino? Katzenberg? When top shelf gay pedophiles get named?

Metoo can flourish as a movement but eventually someone too big to going to be named and the backlash against the backlash will end it.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2018 5:10 PM  

"So if dad gives consent for his 3 year girl to engage in sexual activity your version of god would be just fine with that."

No, but bringing in gov outsiders is not going to help that at all, and can easily make it worse as you should very well know that there are most likely pedos involved in government extensions nominally intended to deal with this sort of thing, for the very reason that already abused children tend to be vulnerable, mentally unstable, easily manipulated and further abused.

Here's the deal, you leave it to God, he leaves it to the family. If you don't like what's going on in another family, either take it into your own hands or leave it to God. The Government has no business there, and you have no business asking other people to do something if you aren't willing to do it yourself.

Yes, I'm telling you that if you know about something like this happening, you either take them out in the woods and vanish them, or you cooperate in a small coalition to do it. Often God works through the hands of men.

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