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Monday, January 15, 2018

Plague for profit

All right, so this Blind Item at Crazy Days and Nights sounds way too far-fetched to be true; it's more akin to a SF-horror novel plot than actual news, right?
Apparently The Church is finding it more difficult to bring in children the way they have in the past. That elusive head of the Church has donated tens of millions of dollars to research against diseases, many of which adversely affect third world countries. It was during this process of trying to eradicate a disease that one of the scientists created a pathogen which can kill swiftly and effectively. When the head of The Church heard about it, he agreed to test it on a village in a country that was friendly to bribes. It worked really well. It killed an astonishing number of people which were mainly adults. The children of the adults were 30-40 miles distant at a boarding school. Now, with no parents, they needed to be adopted. The Church, along with more bribes to the government had a great way to get large numbers of children quickly.

With that success, they decided to try it again, but this time, the villagers didn't stay in place as they had before and some traveled to a neighboring village. The next thing you know, it has now started spreading to different countries and killing people faster than they can create cover stories. Look for them to spread the rumor it is an Ebola outbreak to give themselves a chance to destroy the evidence of what they did.

It wouldn't shock me if they come forward with a cure and make hundreds of millions of dollars. That might bring too much publicity for them though. Even they would have tough time watching thousands of people die though wouldn't they?
I mean, lethal artificial diseases that are being tested in third world countries is just crazy conspiracy theory, right? Right?
Fears are growing of a major health crisis in East Africa as a girl died of a suspected fever which could be more deadly than the Black Death. A nine-year-old girl died in central Uganda with the symptoms of an eye-bleeding disease which it is thought could kill up to 40 per cent of those infected by it.

The feared outbreak comes only months after hundreds of people were killed by the plague in Madagascar in what was described as the worst bout for 50 years. The symptoms of the new disease include headaches, bleeding, vomiting, diarrhoea and muscle pains.
This timeline just keeps getting weirder. If the Vikings win the Super Bowl, we'll know all bets are officially off and literally anything can happen.

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132 Comments:

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:05 AM  

Doesn't sound implausible to me.

Blogger Curlytop January 15, 2018 8:10 AM  

Totally plausible. 2009 Swine Flu, anyone?

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:11 AM  

It's PERFECTLY obvious that the future is in biological warfare. It doesn't suffer the same problems as the MAD of nuclear holocaust.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams January 15, 2018 8:14 AM  

One of the vibrant Madagascar customs is digging up the dead and dancing with them.

1. Doesn't sound too sanitary, and some bodies were reported plague victims.

2. Dancing with the dead is a great cover story if CDAN is accurate.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:15 AM  

Treaties are no problem. Treaties only apply as long as all parties abide by them. Just do some false flag events on your own people and blame them on your target, then use biological weapons to heart's content.

Blogger Jew613 January 15, 2018 8:18 AM  

Unless you've got a cure lined up it just seems too risky to release an extremely deadly and contagious pathogen. With modern travel it would be very difficult to ensure the disease didn't spread to your own country.

Blogger Jew613 January 15, 2018 8:19 AM  

Yes I know the article says they might have a cure, but disease can mutate and make what you thought was a sure fire cure worthless.

Blogger McChuck January 15, 2018 8:22 AM  

Oh noes, plagues never appear and spread in equatorial third world shit holes.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:24 AM  

Natural selection works against the lethality of a pathogen. Remember, the pathogen "wants" only to spread. The optimal form of any pathogen is one where it has as unobtrusive side effects as possible, that still cause it to spread. Like sneezing. You can approximately control how many people a pathogen will kill if you just give it one lethal feature - preferably as complicated as possible. When a mutation breaks the feature, the pathogen becomes non-lethal. And the non-lethal form gains natural selection advantage. Since it doesn't kill the host, it has more opportunities to spread.

When you release the original, lethal pathogen at the best possible location to minimize the spread, you can probably have a reasonable upper limit to how many people end up dead.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 15, 2018 8:24 AM  

There is NO horror the Left is unwilling to inflict. None. Remember that when you have to deal with them.

FWIW, biological warfare has a truckload of very serious problems. It's not like bayonets, bullets, or bombs...it spreads. To neutral powers, who now have a significant causus belli.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:24 AM  

Combine this with actually having the cure lined up, and Bob's your uncle.

Anonymous Dogfish January 15, 2018 8:26 AM  

@6 They will have a cure but is not for us plebs and will be kept secret.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 15, 2018 8:27 AM  

Church sounds like a code word.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 15, 2018 8:30 AM  

The part CDN has clearly gotten wrong is the cure. That bit is really tricky.

But coming up with a bioweapon is terrifyingly easy these days. Every grad student in the field messes around with the Rabies virus because it's really big and simple to work with.

In fact it's so easy I decided using a virus had become passe. It's why I went with a Prion causing the Zombie Apocalypse when I was writing The Great Divide Game.

Viruses are just too dull as a worldender at this point.

Anonymous Rocklea January 15, 2018 8:31 AM  

"Unless you've got a cure lined up it just seems too risky to release an extremely deadly and contagious pathogen. With modern travel it would be very difficult to ensure the disease didn't spread to your own country."

Feature not bug, or bug with a feature. How does one cull off excess population?

I've always been conspiracy minded with a double dose of genx cynicism. Back in 2007 Alex Jones Endgame blew my mind. Yes he's over the top, but quite often, over the target.

As far as a cure, mutation itself would eventually cause it to burn out and some would be immune.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:33 AM  

Always remember, when you ALREADY are dealing with a lethal pathogen, mutations are your friend. From the pathogen's perspective, its lethality is a disadvantage, and the mutation process is constantly trying to find ways to get rid of it.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 8:34 AM  

Sounds like a plot I ran across in "There Will Be War," Africa and everything?

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:35 AM  

And if the set of DNA/RNA instructions that lead to the bodily effect in the host is really complex, like a house of cards where even one relevant instruction in the sequence breaks it, then mutations are REALLY your friend. If you have already had free hand to design the pathogen, this is how you will have set it up.

Anonymous Svensons January 15, 2018 8:36 AM  

I hereby apologize for any trouble I have caused on this blog with my provocative posts. I guess I'll need to take a break from reading blogs, or from the internet as a whole for a while.

After all, I have been a Christian for only about three months now, in part due to reading this blog. I just don't understand the purpose of my existence, but at least I now have this vague hope thanks to Christ, even if I sometimes, despite having had a born-again experience, doubt my salvation when reading the Scriptures. It also saddens me that my family members don't have faith yet, but at least they were accepting of my new-found believe, which is promising.

While my character improved a lot, I still struggle with my sinful nature daily, including my inherited disposition towards melancholy. Which is why I was so interested in the life of Sören Kierkegaard's brother Peter Christian, who went insane in his last years and was obsessed with his own sinfulness; his son, exceptionally gifted like all of the Kierkegaards, received a theology degree with honors but became an atheist and completely rejected Christianity. He went insane and was sent to a mental asylum for some time. They inherited not only their father's high intellectual aptitude, but also his melancholy disposition. This made me wonder if some people or families are cursed, or if predestination is true ... the short aphorism of Gomez Davila certainly rang true in my ears: Our last hope lies in the injustice of God.

But I understand it's not a view or disposition that all share, so I wish you all that Christ may always be with you.

Blogger J johnson January 15, 2018 8:38 AM  

which church is being talked about?

Blogger JACIII January 15, 2018 8:39 AM  

Jew613 wrote:Unless you've got a cure lined up it just seems too risky to release an extremely deadly and contagious pathogen. With modern travel it would be very difficult to ensure the disease didn't spread to your own country.

People interested in doing this sort of thing are quite confident they will never have to mix with the general populace. No restaurants, no supermarkets, no public transportation, no airlines, no hotels. They have their own floating/flying homes.
MAkes one wonder at Howard Hughes germ phobia.....

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:41 AM  

JACIII wrote:They have their own floating/flying homes.

Also, underground homes, especially ones built into mountains, are RRRREALLY in vogue among the ultra-rich.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 15, 2018 8:42 AM  

Markku wrote:Natural selection works against the lethality of a pathogen. Remember, the pathogen "wants" only to spread. The optimal form of any pathogen is one where it has as unobtrusive side effects as possible, that still cause it to spread. Like sneezing. You can approximately control how many people a pathogen will kill if you just give it one lethal feature - preferably as complicated as possible. When a mutation breaks the feature, the pathogen becomes non-lethal. And the non-lethal form gains natural selection advantage. Since it doesn't kill the host, it has more opportunities to spread.

When you release the original, lethal pathogen at the best possible location to minimize the spread, you can probably have a reasonable upper limit to how many people end up dead.


Most plagues in history are diseases that jumped from our domesticated animals to us. The germs themselves had no idea we weren't chickens, cattle or goats and were as surprised as we were when were taken suddenly dead because of them.

Here is the other thing. It is very, very rare for a disease to jump species like that. You have to be in close proximity for a long time...

The last thing you needed for a good plague was domestic animals inside the cities. As I said diseases jumping species is exceptionally rare. You can have single families tending their flocks for generations safely and without incident. But you can raise the odds of transpecial contagion significantly when you put them in cities. Open air slaughter houses are a big help as are the heeps of human and animal manure everywhere.


Africa is a great candidate for all of these things.

China is still number two but seems to be fighting hard for number one. There are rumors of diseases that crop up there getting wiped out very "efficiently" by the PLA.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:44 AM  

Right now I'm dealing with the question of how to effectively manage biological warfare. I'm not saying that this definitely is an instance of one. Madagascar is a very likely place for a plague to emerge naturally.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 8:45 AM  

The "Church" would never do this, would they? Ha,ha,ha!

Blogger Lazarus January 15, 2018 8:46 AM  

Health professionals have ways of determining natural outbreaks versus bio-terorism

Discernment between deliberate and natural infectious disease outbreaks

It lists eleven clues. Don't know if Africans are up to speed on them, however.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:46 AM  

But for the same reason, it's an excellent location to TEST your artificial pathogen, whether it kills the number of people your scientists predicted. If it does, then you know you have the mutation setup working well, and you can be more confident in using it in an actual war.

Blogger Lazarus January 15, 2018 8:47 AM  

Health professionals have ways of determining natural outbreaks versus bio-terorism

Discernment between deliberate and natural infectious disease outbreaks

It lists eleven clues. Don't know if Africans are up to speed on them, however.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 15, 2018 8:47 AM  

Is Google a vector their play store certainly spreads malware, got that from Denninger.

I wouldn't be surprised that one day we wake up in the Empire to read that in some libtard university town of a plague spreading out from the campus after a blue haired lab assistant to a true believer nutter has a melt down and forgets some safety procedure.

Blogger LonestarWhacko January 15, 2018 8:49 AM  

The whole premise of that "There will be war" story had to focus on African resources. Without the problems of the population. Seemed like reading a current article on the net.

Blogger JACIII January 15, 2018 8:51 AM  

Markku wrote: If it does, then you know you have the mutation setup working well, and you can be more confident in using it in an actual war.


Or to depopulate the geographic areas you are interested in.
China, meet Africa. Africa, meet China. Hello, Chafrica!

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:53 AM  

Yes, I absolutely expect Africa to be cleared out by SOME superpower. The question is, which.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 8:56 AM  

That is the scenario that is practically MADE for bioweapons, because you can target genetic markers.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams January 15, 2018 9:01 AM  

Markku,

If some superpower wanted to depopulate Africa, they'd be better off stopping anti-AIDS drugs.

Anonymous Nathan January 15, 2018 9:02 AM  

Curiously, some of the "modern-day prophetic" sites have been warning about a coming plague for a month now.

Blogger JACIII January 15, 2018 9:03 AM  

Markku wrote:Yes, I absolutely expect Africa to be cleared out by SOME superpower. The question is, which.

This may be why you see otherwise disinterested parties medically supporting the locals. To deny the area to competing interests.

Parts of Africa may be one big bioweapons lab.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 9:03 AM  

They'd first set up the chessboard in such a way that depopulation is the final step before they (as opposed to a rival superpower) gains access to the resources. Especially the rare metals needed in high-tech.

Anonymous Causal Lurker January 15, 2018 9:05 AM  

@28, see Marburg - it was an Ebola strain separated and engineered by East German BW experts at their lab hiding in the university in Marburg. The Sverdlosk incident is still retrievable. This was a sudden outbreak of anthrax blamed on infected meat, infected cattle, etc. Infection and casualties matched all too well to an airborne release of particulates. Downwind transport and diffusion correlated to one industrial building source, not near cattle yards or slaughterhouses. Oops.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 9:06 AM  

Also, HIV meds don't actually remove HIV. They manage the symptoms, making HIV infections even more prevalent. This is PRECISELY what you'd do if you were preparing for depopulation at a later time.

Blogger Shimshon January 15, 2018 9:06 AM  

If the globalists really do want to exterminate ~90% of humanity...and they lost...and they have the means to...the noose is tightening as we discuss...if they have nothing left to lose, who's to say they won't try before they can be stopped?

Blogger The Observer January 15, 2018 9:07 AM  

Always remember, when you ALREADY are dealing with a lethal pathogen, mutations are your friend. From the pathogen's perspective, its lethality is a disadvantage, and the mutation process is constantly trying to find ways to get rid of it.

A truly nasty plague for the long time-preferenced would probably be asymptomatic except, say, causing sterility in the afflicted. It'd be a good long while before people actually got suspicious and traced it back to the cause, and by that time wide swathes of populations could be infected. Even something as obvious as syphilis decimated European populations; what more damage could it do in a plce where they believe having sex with babies cures AIDS?

(Un)happily, the powers that be appear to want more immediate results.

Blogger JACIII January 15, 2018 9:11 AM  

I don't think "superpower" so much re:the West. The East may move that way, but in the West I expect a megalomaniac or three will come to think they can "corner the market"
Or a Western power could be leveraged to pursue this.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 9:11 AM  

The people behind all this stuff (if real,yeah?), may have had multiple ways including Nuclear War planned out, and only elite to survive, all their tools and trolls to die with the plebs.

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 15, 2018 9:17 AM  

As an island, Madagascar does allow for some limiting of transmission vectors.

I vaguely recall stories floating by in the news over the years of various highly-lethal outbreaks that never amounted to anything significant, and then just disappeared down the memory hole. I never paid them much attention, since my default assumptions were that these are natural outcomes of primitive cultural conditions, and that epidemiological response protocols and natural selection are effective at containing spread. Yet it did always seem curious.

At the moment, I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it is certainly credible.

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 15, 2018 9:22 AM  

@ 39. Markku

That is a fantastic point. I never really considered the synergy between prolonging the life of the infected and magical sex with virgins culture.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 9:22 AM  

That fits both scenarios. In the natural scenario, an organism finds, through a "fortunate" (for it) mutation a highly effective way to spread. Only, it's a crude version 1.0 . It kills the host. As it spreads and gets opportunities to mutate every time, the feature is optimized more and more, retaining the spread mechanism, but decreasing lethality so that it gets more opportunities to infect. Eventually it becomes harmless, and the visible evidence of its presence disappears. But the organism is happily spreading and continuing its existence. That's what it "wanted" (as in, that's where the natural selection pressure was) in the first place. After time passes, it gets memory-holed.

Blogger MendoScot January 15, 2018 9:25 AM  

It's more complicated than that, Markku. Provided infectivity and virulence are independent variables, then most models predict declining pathogenicity. But have a look at this article on the long-term characteristics of myxomitosis in Australian rabbits.

The effect was clearly seen, but was not very large. The problem might be that, while the general population adapted to a somewhat less pathogenic strain, there were also small outbreaks of highly virulent strains that killed through a different mechanism.

To our great surprise, the most virulent of the isolates harvested from the field and frozen in the 1990s caused our susceptible laboratory rabbits to develop a highly lethal immune collapse syndrome akin to septic shock. This disease syndrome had never been seen before.

Also WRT to cures or vaccines - both are susceptible to resistance-effects, especially with large infected populations.

Very dangerous game to play, even if those playing think that they can isolate themselves from the infected population. No one is off-planet yet.

OTOH, perhaps Musk and Branson know something we don't.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 9:29 AM  

That's a pathogen that was not specifically engineered to be the end-game bioweapon. My argument for that hinges on the fact that it has, so that you have specifically designed the lethal feature to respond as predictably as possible to the mutation process. When you are dealing with an existing pathogen that has emerged naturally, it might have another feature just one mutation away from being lethal.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 9:30 AM  

We plebs will have to wait to observe what happens.Research helps, and logical, cohesive connections to get an overview of what is a "Conspiracy," and what may well be real.

Is there actually any Red-Pill, or are all non-Elites just variations of normies?

Anonymous Mainstream Media Reporter January 15, 2018 9:35 AM  

This conspiracy theory sounds look like the debunked false PizzaGate conspiracy theory which was proven false and debunked. Again, false, debunked, false, debunked, false, debunked. Got it yet?

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 9:38 AM  

You don't use your crown jewel bioweapons for skirmishing with the enemy, you sit on them for the end-game. Now, since you are dealing with a process that involves randomness, it could go badly for you. But continuing to sit on it longer may go even worse for you, if a rival plays their hand first.

Blogger LonestarWhacko January 15, 2018 9:39 AM  

Well....Frank Herbert wrote a book called "The White Plague." Interesting story. Essentially, he killed off most of the women with a genetic weapon. Africa is an open target. The Chinese can't trust any deal made with Africans....so, that's what is left.

So, we're seeing bioweapons tests. Makes sense. Thing is....most folks don't care. Another weapon will probably target Semetic traits.

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 15, 2018 9:40 AM  

I appreciate the replies. It is exciting, if a bit disorienting when another area for consideration appears in the constellation.

Would it be fair to say that without more information, all we can realistically do is consider the relative credibility of natural vs. unnatural sources?

Blogger sysadmn January 15, 2018 9:43 AM  

Heian-kyo Dreams wrote:One of the vibrant Madagascar customs is digging up the dead and dancing with them.

1. Doesn't sound too sanitary, and some bodies were reported plague victims.

There was a reported plague outbreak in Madagascar in Aug-Nov 2017.
There were 1791 cases of pneumonic plague, of which 22% were confirmed, 34% were probable, and 44% were suspected. In addition to pneumonic cases, there were reports of 341 cases of bubonic plague, one case of septicaemic plague and 215 cases with type unspecified.

Note that the pneumonic variant is tranmissible. It appears the outbreak started in a single region, although "Plague is endemic in some areas of Madagascar". Totally not a shithole, though, right?

Blogger Harambe January 15, 2018 9:44 AM  

Well this is pretty much how computer anti-virus companies operate. Though the ethics considerations aren't totally on the same scale.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 15, 2018 9:52 AM  

@21 GE Trump is also known to be a bit of a germophobe as well. Wonder why.

Blogger MendoScot January 15, 2018 9:53 AM  

Okay, but note that the people who proposed using MYXV didn't expect it to be the nearly terminal bioweapon it proved to be. The problem is focussing on the pathogen and ignoring host evolution. The immune system adapts and there is reasonable evidence for some epigenetic inheritance of those adaptations.

This is one of the reasons why reduced pathogenicity does not always mean increased infectivity. Basically, the only thing the pathogen requires is that the reproductive index >1. The pathogen cannot "know" what it is doing to the host population, and deliberate engineering can only anticipate known responses - of the immune system, or host behaviour.

Some of the most infective pathogens work by having the infective period precede any symptoms that might alter host behaviour (e.g. isolation of infected individuals). Also, the longer the host is exposed to the pathogen, the more likely it is to mount an effective immune response. Thus it is interesting, and worrying, the the new MYXV strains specifically targeted the host immune system.

So, is this an hypothetical discussion, or are you thinking of moving into the product side of Castalia?

Blogger Andrew Fargus January 15, 2018 9:59 AM  

Sounds not unlike the plot of "Kingsman: The Secret Service". Plot spoiler - all the rich people hide out in a cave while the plebs kill each other via a "rage" virus transmitted by their mobile phones.

Anonymous Avalanche January 15, 2018 10:02 AM  

@30 ""There will be war" story had to focus on African resources. Without the problems of the population."

Quieter than a neutron bomb. Still a pretty horrific clean-up though.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 15, 2018 10:05 AM  

@52: But Herbert does not do a good job of suggesting a mechanism.

If you target cells carrying X chromosomes, well, every cell in a man's body has an X chromosome. If you target estrogen, testosterone is converted to estrogen in the brain ...

Now, if you inserted the plasmid from Clostridium tetani into Neisseria gonorrhoeae that might have an interesting effect, especially if you manage to get it into a sexually hyperactive community.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 15, 2018 10:08 AM  

This conspiracy theory sounds look like the debunked false PizzaGate conspiracy theory which was proven false and debunked. Again, false, debunked, false, debunked, false, debunked. Got it yet?

Why do you bother? Do you seriously think anyone here believes the #LyingMSM?

Anonymous Avalanche January 15, 2018 10:09 AM  

@34 "If some superpower wanted to depopulate Africa, they'd be better off stopping anti-AIDS drugs."

Nah. The likelihood that all those deaths are ACTUALLY AIDS is pretty slim. They don't actually TEST many (most?) of the dead to see what killed them; just call it another AIDS case and move on. If the "black body" died of malnutrition, advanced syphilis, drug abuse, or even prostate cancer -- check the AIDS box ("we need the funding and drugs") and move on.

It's like the CDC here, pushing flu vaccines because of "36,000 deaths from flu a year." That high number is ACTUALLY "flu and pneumonia" deaths combined -- and the vast, vast majority of "flu" deaths are never tested to see if the dead person even HAD flu! Pneumonia is a virus -- you do not even have to have a COLD before 'catching' pneumonia. (Ask me how I know!)

Always the old saw: "follow the money."

Anonymous Frankly Speaking January 15, 2018 10:15 AM  

What a difference a few years make. In 2014 back when I believed in Tea Parties and Glenn Beck, my reaction would be: “A conspiracy to wipe out Apefrica and the Jews? Those evil bastards!!” Now I’m like “wtf, I love the Elite and Chinese now.”

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 10:22 AM  

Frankly Speaking wrote:What a difference a few years make. In 2014 back when I believed in Tea Parties and Glenn Beck, my reaction would be: “A conspiracy to wipe out Apefrica and the Jews? Those evil bastards!!” Now I’m like “wtf, I love the Elite and Chinese now.”

The Tea Party were decent people at the beginning, but quickly infiltrated and converged. They did not have VD's two books, and they believed in Proposition Nation type stuff, so problems. By 2014 they were totally taken over. Naive happens!

Anonymous johnc January 15, 2018 10:22 AM  

@19 Svensons

Start here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NNzNlKFm2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxzRmjHSG1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ccIAeGtngU

Blogger Silly but True January 15, 2018 10:36 AM  

Scalzi' happy to be a degenerate:
https://twitter.com/scalzi/status/952578383828914176?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E3

Can't make this stuff up any better.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 15, 2018 10:48 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Church sounds like a code word.

It probably indicates a church. The Church, perhaps. Here in the West, which church would that be? Is it one that has been apostate for a long time? That doesn't narrow it down much, does it?

If you think I'm singling out your church, time to leave it.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 15, 2018 10:55 AM  

@67

The fact that they're doing this to get orphaned children is a dead give away.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:00 AM  

I've heard that Africa is completely overrun by hypercharismatic word-faith movement churches. The new brand of Pentecostalism. (not your grandparents' Assemblies of God). If this is true, it would have been that movement. Probably as a whole, not one loose-cannon congregation. It's very, VERY pyramid-like in its authority structure. (This information from John MacArthur).

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:05 AM  

It could obviously be that other option too, that you are artfully avoiding spelling out so as to not become a target of moderator anger. But due to the nature of the operations, I think the charismatic movement would receive a bigger benefit from this strategy.

Anonymous Rfvujm January 15, 2018 11:07 AM  

Why does the Church need to bring in children?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 15, 2018 11:09 AM  

@72

Why do Catholic Priests find choir boys attractive?

Anonymous Nathan January 15, 2018 11:11 AM  

The church in this case is supposed to be one in Arizona with relationships to celebrity rehab, Mormon polygamist communities, and Eastern European "pastors" with "large families". CDAN is trying to figure it out, but appears to have conflated the rehab center with Dream Center/the old Phoenix First Assembly.

Blogger James Jones January 15, 2018 11:11 AM  

Disease. One of the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. I always assumed they would be visited upon us by God in the end days. It seems that we will be the responsible party.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:14 AM  

Rfvujm: If it is a charismatic organization in the global financial "pyramid scheme" (MacArthur's word for it) - to get more money from the global pyramid, which is mostly funded by churches in USA. It would be sold to the congregation as "global missions" or something like that.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 11:14 AM  

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Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:16 AM  

I'm going to wait just a little further if you still manage to make this into a Catholic-Protestant war. Warning: I may go totally postal on y'all if you give me enough reason.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 15, 2018 11:25 AM  

@78

Not even. I just assumed that because this was in Africa and because the Catholic Church has such reach and power, that this was their doing before Nathan elaborated. While I'm surprised that apparently a single church has this kind of influence, not even an entire denomination, at this point, nothing surprises me anymore.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:27 AM  

John MacArthur describes it as a phenomenon that goes beyond denomination, and breaks denominational lines. It's more like you can tap your church into the pyramid. You get money from it - LOTS of it if you can serve the pyramid well - but you obviously have to do its bidding and funnel your own money and resources into it.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 15, 2018 11:30 AM  

J johnson wrote:
which church is being talked about?

My guess would be the SJW church of Sts. Bill and Melinda (PBUT), though it could be the the Little Church of Pleasure Island.

Anonymous Roundtine January 15, 2018 11:31 AM  

What's "The Church?" He's in Hollywood so Scientology is all that comes to my mind. The Christians, both Catholic and Protestant, have no trouble finding converts in Africa.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 11:36 AM  

Markku wrote:I'm going to wait just a little further if you still manage to make this into a Catholic-Protestant war. Warning: I may go totally postal on y'all if you give me enough reason.

I really, actually like both sides, and it has nothing to do with either, from my viewpoint. It just Globalists pretending to be those people that are the problem.

Anonymous Nathan January 15, 2018 11:37 AM  

To point to the source:

"One thing upfront. The church I am referring to is not Scientology. This is a church that was founded just a couple of years ago in northern Arizona. Why this particular location? It is remote for sure, which helps. They learned in the past that it helps to be remote. They also learned in the past that it helps if they can attach themselves to another established church or religion. They got that in this northern Arizona town too. What they also got though are three things they treasure most of all. Number one was the built in security from the other very secretive religion in the area throughout the town, which was very open to the idea when they saw the very large check."

"You might wonder what all of this has in connection to Hollywood. Well, first of all, the financing of course all comes from our A+ list mogul. There is one very important other thing. Have you wondered why every male celebrity over the past couple of years goes to a rehab facility in Arizona, but you never see any photos of the rehab facility or them in the rehab facility? Have you wondered why no female celebrity has ever gone to this facility?"

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/12/todays-blind-items-church.html

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:39 AM  

This would be consistent with the church being tapped into the word-faith pyramid. In fact, VERY consistent.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:39 AM  

Word-faith, a.k.a. positive confession, a.k.a. naming & claiming.

Anonymous BBGKB January 15, 2018 11:40 AM  

As to the first story that is supposed to be sci fi, in the book "the crisis Caravan" a former African aid worker explained how so many kids survived having limbs cut off. A dominant tribe put tourniquets on the kids of lesser tribes before cutting limbs off, then charged aid workers more protection money than the spent on the victims in order to service the victims.

One of the vibrant Madagascar customs is digging up the dead and dancing with them.

Yea dancing right, cough cough Moohamad had sex with a corpse according to the koran.

The "Church" would never do this, would they? Ha,ha,ha! What about $ynagogue?

Or to depopulate the geographic areas you are interested in. China, meet Africa

In my scenario Chinese ads tell people that Blacks ovaries are more potent than rhino horn, leading to a great wave of Asian game hunters

superpower wanted to depopulate Africa, they'd be better off stopping anti-AIDS drugs."

Clintons sending watered down AIDS drugs created drug resistant AIDS, which entered the US via refusegees last year. When Obama removed the travel ban I spoke to my legislators and told them dropping ban would lead to drug resistance in US.

OT: letter from the front lines

To Whom it may Concern:
The plague is far worse here than anyone in the media is letting on. The numbers are mind boggling. And yet we will not give up. We will continue to fight. You have our vow that we will rid the continent of the negro infestation.
Sincerely,
Ebola

Blogger Artisanal Toad January 15, 2018 11:43 AM  

This is reminiscent of Baxter shipping out live flue virus to different countries in Europe for use in flu vaccines back in 2009. They claimed it was an "accident" but they have a biosafe level 3 facility. We are not talking about "contamination", the entire shipment was live virus. From a biosafe level 3 facility.

Then the story got even better, because what they shipped was a combination of H1N1 and H5N1. The only reason we didn't get a pandemic was someone in the Czech Republic tested it, all the ferrets died and they hit the panic button.

Anyone who thinks this stuff is conspiracy theory is an idiot.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 11:45 AM  

BTW Markku, Wait until you start to find out how vast these money pyramids are, as many scams go way beyond the churches.

One Example: Could multiple scams be skimming off of retirement funds to become major money launders for all the arms of the Globalists?

How many charities, way beyond the CF and other private slush funds, funnel a majority of their money into the NWO? On and on and on she goes.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 11:46 AM  

Tool - Ænema
Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.
-----
I don't think these will be the ways the end-game arrives, except for the last line. That one, definitely.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 11:57 AM  

83. Nathan

Well, any Hollyweird church is a church of Lucifer. Hey, Fox has a "comedy-cop adventure show" called "Lucifer." Ya know, part of their program, is they have to flaunt it.

Anonymous vfm 0202 January 15, 2018 11:58 AM  

The SDL is subtle but he is not^H^H^H malicious. He's taught me to look a few moves ahead, and to ask what the strategic value of a position might be.

Perhaps in this Stormy week we'll see what's worth a series of Alex Jones'ian raw meat rumor dumps, sinking unsubstantiated into the wake as we forge ahead.

Or perhaps it really is worse than I can possibly imagine. Perhaps he's with Them.

Blogger Forge the Sky January 15, 2018 11:58 AM  

“HIV meds don't actually remove HIV. They manage the symptoms, making HIV infections even more prevalent. This is PRECISELY what you'd do if you were preparing for depopulation at a later time.”

Though, to be fair, it is also precisely the sort of drug one would develop to maximize long-term profit as well.

A daily drug taken for years to decades is far more profitable than a cure taken for a week or three.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) January 15, 2018 12:02 PM  

77. Markku January 15, 2018 11:16 AM
Warning: I may go totally postal on y'all if you give me enough reason.



a Finnish Berzerk?

should be interesting. show me watch ya got.

being as CDAN concerns itself mostly with showbiz and the LA environs i normally think of Scientology when people in the biz start referring eliptically to a 'Church'.

could be almost anything though.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 12:03 PM  

Yep. HIV in Africa is an absolute boon to a cynical and powerful grey eminence from so many angles.

Blogger tuberman January 15, 2018 12:09 PM  

"Or perhaps it really is worse than I can possibly imagine. Perhaps he's with Them.'

Nah, He is a bit "The Apocalypse Happened Yesterday and You Never Notice It," and he does over talk all his guests, while hyping them up to be much more important than they are in the real world. But "on their side," NO.

This Storm is the week of Memes, and of course, the DOJ/FBI thing will develop, and is very important.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 15, 2018 12:11 PM  

They already said it's not Scientology in the other blind. Yes, scientology sounds like an otherwise excellent fit in some ways.

It's not a normal Christian church, although it very well may be tenuously affiliated with one.

As for you, Cowherd, 1527 was a good year, but it could have been better.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) January 15, 2018 12:13 PM  

90. tuberman January 15, 2018 11:57 AM
Hey, Fox has a "comedy-cop adventure show" called "Lucifer."



that's actually based on a DC comic title, by the name of "Lucifer".

which is a spinoff of Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" series ( the Lucifer of Christian mythos is one of Dream's major antagonists ).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 15, 2018 12:14 PM  

sysadmn wrote:Note that the pneumonic variant is tranmissible. It appears the outbreak started in a single region, although "Plague is endemic in some areas of Madagascar". Totally not a shithole, though, right?
Plague is endemic to the Western US and Canada as well.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 15, 2018 12:15 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:They already said it's not Scientology in the other blind. Yes, scientology sounds like an otherwise excellent fit in some ways.
They're a death cult, but they're also too delusional to survive playing with WMDs. Fortunately.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 15, 2018 12:26 PM  

@99: Yes, but not pneumonic plague, rather the flea borne variety as it was introduced back in the early 1900s (or late 1800s) and is found in several rodent-like populations.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 12:27 PM  

BOB K MANDO, I've had to manually release you from spam folder every single time. You are the most consistently auto-spammed commenter here. Can you at least try removing the parentheses for a while, because I very much suspect they are the problem.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 15, 2018 12:34 PM  

We're going to start reading it soon.
Prions are terrifying.

There are a number of heartbreaking videos on YouTube which show kids in India coming down with symptomatic rabies, which is tragic.
The bastards won't cull the stray dogs due to their Hindu beliefs. So thousands of their kids die each year.

Blogger bob kek mando January 15, 2018 12:41 PM  

yerp, can do.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 12:45 PM  

Wasn't spammed this time, so looks good.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 15, 2018 12:47 PM  

Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) wrote:Yes, but not pneumonic plague
Same species, any strain of Plague bacterium can manifest as either form of the disease, depending on circumstance.

Anonymous Killua January 15, 2018 12:49 PM  

This sounds like something from Resident Evil.

Blogger bob kek mando January 15, 2018 1:04 PM  

isn't that going to be amusing?

if Blogspot starts spamming echoes?

Blogger Markku January 15, 2018 1:09 PM  

...aaand this time it was spammed.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 15, 2018 1:27 PM  

You wouldn't waste a nuclear bomb on Africa. Any high quality graduate of a Russian college could carry of a famine of any African country with ease. That kid with the windmill generating electricity: he'd lived through a famine engineered by his government, already. I still can't find his country on a map, and as far as I know, there wan't any outcry in the west to feed his nowheresville land.

The saddest part is that it's this giant, rich continent. They send emotional and quite inexperienced people to practice being gentleman farmers with the villagers. There's a man giving a TED talk where he got a village to grow tomatoes, then when they were ripe, hippos came rampaging out of the river to eat all the tomatoes. He just shrugs and goes home. He doesn't have the villagers build walls, ramparts, barb-wire fences. He just goes home, having had his day as a gentleman farmer. It's all play-acting to him.

Or, say, missionaries, from the heartlands of America, going over to Africa, are specifically told to not recommend planting en masse, in straight lines. They just watch the farmer sprinkle seeds here or there, and then grow a little bit, but no organization, no excess, not enough to take to market and get money. Nope, empathy says they should remain backwards, ignorant, and poor because it's authentic.

Apparently, ambition, guile, deceit, planning ahead are native to Europe, and not to Africa.

Africans can best be viewed as very violent alfalfa. They'll get cleared out once all the major newspapers and european landholders are cleared out or disabled.

I mean, they just won't exist. The Chinese will consult with the master famine-makers, the guys who engineered the Holodomar, and they'll take African minerals, leaving African bones scattered everywhere.

Anonymous Ain January 15, 2018 1:42 PM  

"Church sounds like a code word."

Biker meeting?

Blogger Timmy3 January 15, 2018 1:52 PM  

They’re making the sh!thole worse.

Anonymous Nathan January 15, 2018 2:02 PM  

And to continue the almost Hollywood weirdness about this, the church's interest in Africa is claimed to be a search for Gaddafi's missing Libya money.

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-item-7-churchs-money.html

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 15, 2018 2:18 PM  

What is crazy days and nights? Is it a, "Coast to Coast" for the 21st Century?

Blogger pdwalker January 15, 2018 2:20 PM  

What am I reading? Did I just fall down the rabbit hole?

Anonymous Mike Rock January 15, 2018 2:26 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella
"Or, say, missionaries, from the heartlands of America, going over to Africa, are specifically told to not recommend planting en masse, in straight lines."
Where did that come from? I'd like to know, really.

The folks at Tiller's International work with various countries, teaching agriculture and how to manufacture tools. No churchiness there. Some good folks trying to help.

Mike

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 15, 2018 2:36 PM  

I would assume CDAN is talking about that Hillsong church/cult that Justin Bieber & Selena Gomez belong to. He is obsessed with it, and posts blind items just like this about it regularly. He usually refers to it as the other cult that's not Scientology. I know basically nothing about the joint, other than they are probably a racket, because they have "churches" in countries all around the world that just suddenly popped up a few yrs ago,out of thin air.
It gives me a cult vibe,looking at their website, as well.

Anonymous Icicle January 15, 2018 3:08 PM  

Yea dancing right, cough cough Moohamad had sex with a corpse according to the koran.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/hadith-mohammed-the-necrophile/

That's f*cked up.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 15, 2018 3:25 PM  

@22:

What do the ultra-rich think they are going do after they emerge on 'The Day After'? The ultra-rich don't strike me as the ones with the necessary intelligence or skills to rebuild civilization? I don't see Starbucks in The Fallout series or "Alas Babylon".

Maybe I just answered my own question, though.

Blogger MendoScot January 15, 2018 4:13 PM  

vfmshadow0342 wrote:@22:

What do the ultra-rich think they are going do after they emerge on 'The Day After'?


Welcome to WestWorld.

Blogger Thucydides January 15, 2018 4:41 PM  

A few historical notes to put things into perspective:

At least one project to combine the genes from Avian flu and Swine flu was identified and stopped. Avian flue is much more virulent and lethal than Swine flu, but Swine flu spreads through a human population much faster. AFAIK, the idiots who were proposing this were not planning on global apocalypse, but it was a case of "wouldn't it be interesting if we....". We are probably in far more danger from idiots with degrees than Dr Evil, the Templars or Illuminati combined.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the biowar research apparently went rouge with "Biopreparat" being the cover for research into fun things like smallpox, ebola and anthrax. Giant industrial sized reaction vessels have been identified as part of it, but after the 1990's, Biopreparat disappeared, along with many of their scientists and a lot of their research and equipment. Much of the WMD hysteria in Iraq back in the 1990's was related to fears that some of the scientists and equipment had ended up there.

There have been reports from time to time of terrorist training camps being decimated by diseases. The knowledge of culturing basic diseases like yellow fever is well known, the harder part is using genetic engineering etc to make it more lethal or use different vectors/attack different populations.

We now know that defectors from the DPRK have immunities to anthrax.

But as many posters above have pointed out, using bioweapons is unpredictable, and it wold certainly take either complete disregard for the dangers, inability or unwillingness to understand the problems of mutation or sheer carelessness (see example 1: avian +swine flu) to cause a catastrophe.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 15, 2018 5:03 PM  

Pastor gave sermon about doing this. He himself, wanted to tell the farmer how to plant in lines, check for weeds, really basic stuff. And his hosts told him it would be westernizing and patronizing.

Anonymous Mike Rock January 15, 2018 5:32 PM  

Ariadne,
What a load of horse shit....... Thanks for clarifying. Had me wondering. Look up Tiller's and see what they do. http://www.tillersinternational.org/

God bless

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 15, 2018 5:52 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:And his hosts told him it would be westernizing and patronizing.
The seed drill increased crop yields in Europe by 20-25%. Isn't NOT instructing them patronizing, as well as conveniently re-enforcing economic dominance by aid agencies?

Anonymous RedJack January 15, 2018 7:43 PM  

I had it that year. Never been so sick

Anonymous Mike Rock January 15, 2018 9:19 PM  

Snidely,
B..b..but Jethro Tull was WHITE! And in 1733 he invented the drill.....
Wonder if he'd show it to Africans....... heck yes he would have.

God bless

Anonymous CloseHauled January 16, 2018 3:24 AM  

Is this the church in AZ CDAN referenced before?

Phoenix is central AZ. Enty said "northern" az.

Mormons love north eastern AZ (besides Mesa/Gilbert parts of greater Phoenix). The city of Snowflake (Jeff Flake's hometown) and other small towns from along the Mogollon Rim and further north are densely populated Mormon areas.

I wonder if a Sara A. Carter tweet about a murder in northern AZ back in Dec. is related (body dumped and burned on an indian res. - Mormon towns not far away) I found the tweet random and was close in date to another CDAN blind about this church. Sara and Hannity are being fed inside info, so the tweet may have significance.

Anonymous FrankNorman January 16, 2018 4:00 AM  

Mormons love north eastern AZ (besides Mesa/Gilbert parts of greater Phoenix). The city of Snowflake (Jeff Flake's hometown) and other small towns from along the Mogollon Rim and further north are densely populated Mormon areas.

The man's surname is Flake and he comes from a city called Snowflake?
This sounds like something out of a book by John Bunyan.

Blogger RYBA January 16, 2018 8:19 AM  

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/674262/Outbreak-Africa-Viral-Hemorrhagic-Fever-Uganda-Crimean-Congo-Deaths-Eye-Bleeding-Opendi

Anonymous Icicle January 16, 2018 6:04 PM  

The man's surname is Flake and he comes from a city called Snowflake?

It's named after William Jordan Flake (Jeff is his great-great-grandson) and Erastus Snow (a distant cousin of Lorenzo Snow who was fifth president of the LDS Church).

Anonymous 4Chan Moderator January 16, 2018 7:12 PM  

My inside sources tell me that Crazy Days and Nights is way off base on this story. Just trying to incite more traffic.

Meanwhile, Q is in the custody of the feds. Future messages from him are clearly fraudulent.

Blogger PapayaSF January 16, 2018 7:39 PM  

Some background on Crazy Days and Nights:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5147165/The-gossip-site-exposed-Weinstein-Lauer-years-ago.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/crazy-days-and-nights-an-interview-with-the-elusive_us_5a57d145e4b0b1f4505c82ec

"Enty" has an excellent track record for accuracy, and does not seem to be a fan of conspiracy theories, so it's interesting when he gets into edgy stuff like this.

Blogger Schneiderisnext January 25, 2018 4:57 PM  

In 2015/2016, PHX 1st Assembly merged with Community Church of Joy in Glendale, AZ

Its name was changed to match Matt Barnett's (Tommy's son) church and outreach Dream City Church/Dream Center

In 2017, they planted a church in Short Creek AZ, where they were "gifted" Warren Jeff's personal house/compound and converted it to a female sex trafficking rehab

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