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Tuesday, January 02, 2018

When men were men

This is an interesting recount of the Ice Bowl from a collection of accounts by those who were actually involved:
It would have been a great game if it had been played on a sweltering September afternoon or on a crisp autumn day in November or even indoors, if there were domed football stadiums in 1967.

That year, the NFL Championship Game pitted Vince Lombardi’s proud but aging Green Bay Packers, seeking an unprecedented third consecutive title, against Tom Landry’s Dallas Cowboys, an ascending team out for revenge after losing narrowly to the Packers in the ’66 championship game.

Eight Packers and four Cowboys who took the field that day would be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Both coaches would be enshrined, too. The Packers had guile and experience and a field general named Bart Starr. The Cowboys had youth and superior team speed and their “Doomsday Defense.”

Yes, it would have been a great game on any day, in any kind of weather.

It would be played, though, on New Year’s Eve day in Green Bay, in the kind of weather that tested the limits of what a man could endure.

The official low temperature at Austin Straubel Airport that day was 17 below zero. With Arctic winds whipping out of the northwest, the wind chill dipped to 50 below at Lambeau Field, its turf frozen solid and topped by a layer of ice, so that players slipped and slid and fell on what felt like jagged concrete.

The game would be decided in the closing seconds, at the conclusion of a drive that bordered on the mystical, with Starr plunging into the end zone to put a symbolic exclamation mark on the Lombardi era.

Fifty years ago Sunday, on Dec. 31, 1967, the Packers edged the Cowboys, 21-17, in a game for the ages.

The Ice Bowl.

It was and remains the coldest game in NFL history. It is among the most memorable games in league annals because of the wretched conditions, what was at stake and the dramatic way it ended.
My favorite part was the guy who was terrified to tell Vince Lombardi that his expensive new field heating system had failed.

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67 Comments:

Anonymous BTC January 02, 2018 10:36 AM  

Why risk frost bite and the like for something as inconsequential as sports?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2018 10:39 AM  

Why be a faggot and ask stupid questions?

Blogger S1AL January 02, 2018 10:50 AM  

"Why risk frost bite and the like for something as inconsequential as sports?"

Why pee standing up?

Anonymous p-dawg January 02, 2018 10:51 AM  

@1 For the likes of you? There is no reason. Just relax and grab another mug of cocoa, Pajama Boy.

Blogger VD January 02, 2018 11:00 AM  

Why risk frost bite and the like for something as inconsequential as sports?

For the same reason men risk their lives for bits of colored cloth.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2018 11:02 AM  

A blue ribbon with five white stars on it. That hangs about the neck.

Blogger JACIII January 02, 2018 11:05 AM  

Glorious game.

But the idiot who thought it would be a OK to play a national football championship in Wisconsin in January should have been hung by his idiotic balls. It's the same distance from Dallas to Green Bay as it is from Green Bay to Dallas FFS.

OpenID markstoval January 02, 2018 11:18 AM  

It was truly a different world back then. My dad, a BIG fan of NFL and Dallas would not let me watch the game. We went to Sunday evening church instead.

I pleaded that we had been to church Sunday morning already and would go on Wednesday night. But to no avail. I did catch the last quarter though and saw the winning drive.

For some odd reason the preacher had a short message that Sunday evening. :-)

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) January 02, 2018 11:19 AM  

1. BTC January 02, 2018 10:36 AM
Why risk frost bite and the like for something as inconsequential as sports?



ah. a Denny Hamlin fan.

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_Snaefell_Mountain_Course_fatalities

OpenID markstoval January 02, 2018 11:22 AM  

"For the same reason men risk their lives for bits of colored cloth." ~ VD

Best reply in a long time. Witty but sad at the same time.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2018 11:26 AM  

Mark Stoval, Vox is probably paraphrasing Napoleon.

Blogger J johnson January 02, 2018 11:27 AM  

i was 7 yrs old, it was my first game to watch, I really had no idea about the teams and the game, it was spell binding to see this happening, ( in Duluth mn. it was pretty cold also) Men playing this amazing gams and then this bart starr winning it at the end, I have been hooked ever since and have kept the packers as my number 2 team since 1969, I was told that the vikes are the one to watch and cheer for so I did. happy new years to all and peace to Men of good will.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin January 02, 2018 11:28 AM  

"Why risk frost bite and the like for something as inconsequential as sports?"

If you have to ask, you ain't ever gonna know.

Anonymous Field Marshal Foch January 02, 2018 11:29 AM  

“A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of coloured ribbon.”

Napoleon Bonaparte

Anonymous ben January 02, 2018 11:35 AM  

World Junior U20 hockey game between Canada and USA was played outdoors in blizzard conditions and biting cold last week in Buffalo NY. It was an absolute war between fierce rivals. Hockey is the up and coming sport of this generation i think.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett January 02, 2018 11:36 AM  

@1 You're a faggot.

VD, I do disagree with you though. The ribbons and medals are awarded later, but of all the Bronze and Silver stars I know (And yes, 1 MoH) none were ever thinking about bits of cloth or bronze or silver castings. They did it for their shipmates and trenchmates and squadmates. The ones I know are prouder to introduce the buddies they helped save, and keep the baubles in a drawer.

Blogger wrf3 January 02, 2018 11:36 AM  

Field Marshal Foch wrote:“A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of coloured ribbon.”
Purple or green?

Blogger Johnny Philosopher January 02, 2018 11:41 AM  

Church of Christ or Southern Baptist?

Blogger Amy January 02, 2018 11:50 AM  

@ JACIII

How is Home field advantage determined, again?

Blogger Nate73 January 02, 2018 11:52 AM  

@5: This is something I've been thinking about since I come from a non-sports background as a kid (due to the private school I was sent to), plus thinking sports were beneath me in college due to standard middle class thinking. Now there *are* a lot of diversity hires coasting by on football scholarships. But I think that misses the point that in our modern society outlets for heroism, bravery, and pure male competition have been so squeezed down and limited it's incredible. I'm only just coming to grips now as an adult with the fact that in the prime of my life I forfeited (or was cheated) out of the opportunity to engage in one of the few areas where heroism is permitted: sports.

I think a lot of the gammatude that gets discussed in scifi/fantasy/videogame culture is part of this. Not that video games are inherently bad, but that it's like a black market of male achievement that doesn't actually give you the same mental toughness the Ice Bowl would have. Yet a black market for heroism and competition however bad is still preferable to none at all. Which is why you get ridiculous things like a guy I heard say he saw a girl on a schoolbus look at him and smile, so he went back to playing pokemon *that much harder* to win at it. It's absurd, but there's a method to this madness.

That's my long-winded way of saying I'm contemplating getting out onto a grassy field with other men and hitting a ball with a stick or throwing a ball into a hoop while we wear different colors of cloth.

Blogger OGRE January 02, 2018 11:57 AM  

JACIII wrote:
But the idiot who thought it would be a OK to play a national football championship in Wisconsin in January should have been hung by his idiotic balls. It's the same distance from Dallas to Green Bay as it is from Green Bay to Dallas FFS.


The Ice Bowl was for the NFL championship, prior to the full merger of the NFL-AFL. The winner went on to play in the second AFL-NFL World Championship game, later to be dubbed the Super Bowl. The NFL championship game site was determined by alternating between the Eastern and Western conference champions home field each year. As the Eastern conference hosted the championship game the previous year, it was the Western conference's turn that year, and thus it was a home game for Green Bay.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman January 02, 2018 12:00 PM  

As a kid I remember my father telling me about this game....at the same time we were watching Doug Dudek battle his way towards a Heisman while a blinding wet snowstorm raged around us.The type of storms that pervade NH during the month of NH. Poor Doug never did get his Heisman...barely missing it to a black Alabamian named Bo Jackson.

Anonymous Causal Lurker January 02, 2018 12:00 PM  

Hezekiah,

Yeah, I know a number of those men. It's always a shorthand reason like "I got mad," "It was my buddy", or "Someone needed to do it, " but it comes down to honor and love. They're generally quiet and humble about the recognition. God bless 'em all.

The cloth reference was to an earlier mode of warfare, to include regimental flags and eagles, and battle streamers. Great honor to capture the enemy's flags, and a great affront to lose yours. The bits of metal and cloth come later, to recognize individual feats. At several places in the Anglosphere, I saw regimental standards still discretely hung in the quiet spots of cathedrals and churches. These recognized local warriors and their exploits (some banners obviously captured). I was amazed that they were still in place, but then figured that anyone disturbing the flags would find out just how spry and angry Grandfather and his buddies would get.

Perhaps 1 wants a rainbow-colored stuffed pony, instead.

I remember some of the Ice Bowl's end, but the savage conditions didn't sink in until I was a bit older and spent longer periods of time outside in temps near zero. It was hard to walk and use my fingers, let alone play at champion levels.

That was the game where polar bears became the semi-official fur stole and chew toy of both teams. :)

Blogger YIH January 02, 2018 12:04 PM  

JACIII wrote:Glorious game.

But the idiot who thought it would be a OK to play a national football championship in Wisconsin in January should have been hung by his idiotic balls. It's the same distance from Dallas to Green Bay as it is from Green Bay to Dallas FFS.

It's probably what made the NFL decide on warm-weather cities (or indoor stadiums) for the Super Bowl.
@17. Amy: Other than (and before) the Super Bowl, home-field is determined by best regular-season record.
If two or more teams end tied for best, a tiebreaking procedure is applied. They probably had to go way down the list to break the Steelers-Patriots and Eagles-Vikings ties (best record in common games is my guess).

OpenID ar10308 January 02, 2018 12:13 PM  

Well yeah, of course it is.
It hasn't been Negrofied and likely never will be because it's a cold weather sport. It also doesn't cause the kind of concussions and brain damage that football does, so White parents will let their kids play it.

Blogger Amy January 02, 2018 12:14 PM  

Thanks, YIH. I figured the home field rule applied to the Ice Bowl but I see it wasn’t so in this case.

The explanation of alternating years and fields of play brings sense as to why they played at Lambeau. The men would play regardless of the conditions. It was their job, duty. Maybe even a sacred one, as they’d pledged themselves to that particular career.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 02, 2018 12:29 PM  

It is an iconic NFL game for the ages. Men in physical competition on the frozen tundra, Lambeau Field and all that.

For many Texans from my uncles generation it is still of day of national mourning.

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 02, 2018 12:39 PM  

The point is, those men no more fought for a trophy than soldiers fight for the glory of a medal.

They both fought for the honor and glory. They both can say that they fought. The trinkets are merely a sample of the evidence of what kind of men they proved themselves to be.

After all, not every soldier who fights even lives to wear a ribbon. Does that mean he fought then fir nothing? What do you think Napoleon was really saying after all?

Blogger Bucephalus January 02, 2018 12:45 PM  

Those were the days! No women on the sidelines, the purity of the game itself was beautiful, no free agency, and they seemingly played for the love of the game. (The average football player's salary in 1967 of $25,000 would be equivalent to about $156,400 adjusted). By the way, how long until the retards start to say the Viking logo is offensive? A Blonde seafaring Norseman who raided and conquered?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 02, 2018 12:45 PM  

Perhaps 1 wants a rainbow-colored stuffed pony, instead.

Sir I'll have you know that Rainbow Dash is the Element of Loyalty and the very spirit of courage.

(Alpha brony DGAF come at me xDDD)

Blogger pyrrhus January 02, 2018 12:48 PM  

After all, not every soldier who fights even lives to wear a ribbon. Does that mean he fought then fir nothing? What do you think Napoleon was really saying after all?

In the case of Napoleon's soldiers, they did ultimately fight for nothing. Napoleon was offered the natural borders of France by the allies, turned it down, and ended up with nothing but well over a million dead soldiers fighting futilely for a tyrant.

Blogger OGRE January 02, 2018 12:49 PM  

@24 Amy

Its not so much a sense of duty--and certainly not on the level of a sacred duty such as to God or country or family--but more about pride and toughness. Certainly theres a duty to the team in not letting your teammates down. But the motivations for playing a championship football game in those conditions isn't quite the same as storming a machine gun nest or working every day in a coal mine for 30 years. Its more akin to why people do ice swimming or run ultramarathons of 1000 miles. Its about winning in spite of all obstacles and showing just how tough a sonofabitch you really are.

Anonymous CPEG January 02, 2018 12:49 PM  

@Aeoli Pera
Figures the manliest virtue would go with the butch lesbian.

Blogger RC January 02, 2018 12:52 PM  

They had to play for the love of the game. One of my coaches was an all pro defensive back in the sixties. His pay was less than $20K/year and most of the players had second jobs during that era.

Blogger pyrrhus January 02, 2018 12:53 PM  

We watched that epic game, rooting for the Packers...But my brothers and I were well aware that the Cowboys were the superior team physically, which made the ending so amazing.

Blogger Jack Morrow January 02, 2018 12:54 PM  

ar10308 wrote:It also doesn't cause the kind of concussions and brain damage that football does, so White parents will let their kids play it.

Apparently you're unaware of Ken Dryden's new book--inspired by the death of Steve Montador--about the brain damage caused to hockey players by concussions.

1967 was the year the NFL went to four divisions; with their 9-4-1 record, the Packers wouldn't have made the playoffs under the previous East-West setup. The Colts and Rams were in the same division, and the Colts were undefeated until losing to the Rams in the last game of the season. Both teams finished 11-1-2, and the playoff spot was given to the Rams; in previous years, teams that were tied for a division lead broke the tie with a playoff.

The Packers bought that heating system from George Halas, Jr. for a reported $80,000--big money in those days.

Blogger Bucephalus January 02, 2018 12:57 PM  

One of my coaches was an offensive lineman on the then expansion Miami Dolphins. He played 2 seasons then went off to Vietnam. Worked a second and third job with a wife and 2 kids at home. A different breed of man back then for sure. Not all, of course, but a better breed in my opinion.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass January 02, 2018 1:17 PM  

I read the whole thing. I remember my dad telling me about the Ice Bowl as a kid. One guy died in the stands, per the article, and if memory serves me right one other guy died after the game.

What a game! What men! There's nothing else to say or that can be said about the game.

ben wrote:World Junior U20 hockey game between Canada and USA was played outdoors in blizzard conditions and biting cold last week in Buffalo NY. It was an absolute war between fierce rivals. Hockey is the up and coming sport of this generation i think.

@13 I played hockey from first through fifth grade in the '90s. I still love it. Go Pens!

ar10308 wrote:Well yeah, of course it is.

It hasn't been Negrofied and likely never will be because it's a cold weather sport. It also doesn't cause the kind of concussions and brain damage that football does, so White parents will let their kids play it.


@23 There are 31 black players in the NHL but most of them suck so that's why you don't hear about them. One of them is on the Penguins and made a big stink that if he had been on the team last year he would not go to the White House (he was traded post season). Also, he makes a point of taking a knee. Finally, they are starting to look at CTE in hockey. Slowly but surely SJWism is raising its head. The good news is if you go on the NHL's web site, Spanish is not one of the languages you can view the site in...yet.

Anonymous fop January 02, 2018 1:36 PM  

I remember when Bart Starr scored the winning touchdown and started hip-hop dancing in front of the camera, then pretended to be superman ripping his shirt off while taunting the Cowboys defense.


Blogger Cloudswrest January 02, 2018 1:47 PM  

The Wikipedia article has a whole "gay rights" section on Lombardi, which seems rather anachronistic given the time period (late '60s).

Blogger Gordon Scott January 02, 2018 1:57 PM  

The story makes the point that the cold was unexpected. It had been 25 above the day before and that's what was expected for the game. Worse was that Lombardi's fancy new field warmer system had been operating under the tarp, trapping moisture that then froze. So the field got worse as the game progressed.

I've played in cold conditions. If you're in the game, it's not so bad. If you're just on the sidelines, it's awful. I played a rugby match on the frozen Red River in Grand Forks in January. I think it was about zero that day, and I was wearing a rugby shirt and sweat pants. It was fine, until I was running with the ball and someone grabbed my other arm. He swung me around and I hit the ice with the point of my shoulder. My arm went numb. The referee would let me leave the game, but wouldn't allow a substitute, so I played till the end with my arm flopping around. I separated the shoulder. 30 years later, it hurts on cold days.

Blogger Gordon Scott January 02, 2018 1:59 PM  

I should say: Playing at zero degrees, with no wind, and playing at -20, with strong wind: the latter is a whole nother magnitude of misery.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 02, 2018 2:08 PM  

Because of that game, I have a cousin named Bart Star M_____. Which kills me and him to this day, because we grew up in Dallas and were huge Cowboy fans. Well, except for his dad my crazy uncle.

Anonymous BBGKB January 02, 2018 2:23 PM  

I went to a council of foreign relations event with a WHITE LIVES MATTER t-shirt to deliver rhetorical shivs as questions, and one of the nation destroyers asked how I could stand the air conditioning in just a t shirt. Just think of how bad off they will be when the power goes off in the Hillary Archipelago

our modern society outlets for heroism, bravery, and pure male competition have been so squeezed down and limited it's incredible.

They say never to trust a man who hasn't been punched in the face
http://takimag.com/article/never_trust_anyone_who_hasnt_been_punched_in_the_face/print

Blogger Ben Cohen January 02, 2018 2:27 PM  

Brett favre was good at playing in freezing temps until the Giants 2008 game.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 02, 2018 2:34 PM  

@28 Rainbow Dash's song, "Time To Be Awesome" from the recent movie alone is well worth the price of admission or rental. It is the anthem of clawing up from downtrodden gamma/omega up into Delta and beyond.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 02, 2018 2:48 PM  

Why would a chick smiling produce greater dedication to Pokémon?
That might be the lamest thing ever.

Blogger Rashadjin January 02, 2018 2:49 PM  

@14 Hezekiah Garrett

And here I was thinking something a bit older. Ignorance is funny sometimes. In this case, because the older version seems a bit truer to the spirit of it all and the why, broadly held, of men fighting for bits of colored cloth.

@31 CPEG

I'm sure a lot of people are fond of shoving Rainbow Dash into the butch lesbian pigeonhole, but Lauren Faust accidentally made perky sports enthusiast instead. Dash enjoys life and people and comradarie a bit too much, so is subversive in the wrong way. She is what the butch lesbians are not, and shows how shallow and empty they are by comparison. She actually shifts the rainbow symbol away from the sexual deviants by attaching it to a neutral figure that embodies a lot of things the movement is incapable of presenting. It's funny how hanging the rainbow on something far, far less gay than Alt✯Hero's Rainbow works these days.

@44 Ingot9455

You have no idea how right you are about the new FiM movie. They accidentally made a movie they didn't intend to make, and animated out the entire journey away from Gamma and other blue pill nonsense.

Which is good, because they failed spectacularly at making the movie they tried to make. The collective unconscious wins again.

Blogger Bobiojimbo January 02, 2018 2:51 PM  

@BTC sports aren't inconsequential. We humans, and men especially, need outlets for our aggression and ways to test our strength. Sports are one such outlet. Besides, a 50 year old game that is still remembered fondly by millions, and continuously retold is hardly an inconsequential legacy to leave behind. This coming from someone who doesn't care sports, BTW.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2018 2:55 PM  

What in the fuck is this My Little Pony bullshit

Blogger J Curtis January 02, 2018 3:03 PM  

Dallas' Dandy Don Meredith had the pleasure of playing both his professional and college football in the same town, having played at Southern Methodist U.
The stories that guy could have told.,,

Blogger OGRE January 02, 2018 3:08 PM  

What the holy fuck is wrong with you all??

This is a post about one of the toughest football games ever played, and you're filling it with baby shit about My Little Pony? Go to John Scalzi's blog if you want to talk about toys for little girls

Blogger Rashadjin January 02, 2018 3:10 PM  

@48 Stg58/Animal Mother

That is an interesting and complicated answer. Short version: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic did the Stanger Things sort of friendship show first. And this is what you get when parents abandon their kids to Saturday morning cartoons and books. And this is what you get when sons don't have fathers. Among many other things.

@50 OGRE

Modern society. Weep for the future.

Anonymous JAG January 02, 2018 3:14 PM  

Green Bay was guilty of a false start on the sneak. It should be the Landry Trophy.

Snark aside, even though this game was before I was born, I still used to be upset by it because of my passion for football, and the Cowboys. Not anymore. SJW Goodell, the leftist convergence, and the kneelers have destroyed all my passion. I used to think such a thing impossible.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2018 3:16 PM  

@51 Rashadjin

I don't give a fuck. It's some gay ass bullshit. This is a post about true peak performance.

Anonymous Daniel January 02, 2018 3:35 PM  

First football game I recall watching. Don't recall the subsequent Super Bowl.

Quaterback sneak, risky maneuver. But every play was risky on that day.

Blogger OGRE January 02, 2018 3:44 PM  

Rashadjin wrote:

@50 OGRE

Modern society. Weep for the future.


No, its not 'modern society.' Its a tiny little group of rejects and degenerates so far out of the mainstream that most normal folks--to their benefit and credit--don't even know about the existence of bronies.

Now stop talking about this stupid shit here. We weren't asking questions seeking answers; those were rhetorical questions indicating our extreme disdain for this topic and the people who saw fit to bring it up in a post about football.

Blogger Rashadjin January 02, 2018 3:47 PM  

@53 Stg58/Animal Mother

From 1967, before many of us were born. Before the end of the Vietnam War.

I find it amusing that it's dovetailed into why something as peak and impressive as The Ice Bowl is fading beyond memory, as strange a path as it's made. Has football ever peaked higher?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2018 3:52 PM  

No. Football has never peaked higher. It's one thing to have impressive execution, play calling, blah blah in a domed stadium, no rain, no snow, no adversity. It's entirely another matter to survive and win in such an environment. It's the closest thing to war and combat that football players could experience, and that's why the faggot in comment #1 needs to shut up and listen to his betters.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 02, 2018 3:56 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:@51 Rashadjin

I don't give a fuck. It's some gay ass bullshit. This is a post about true peak performance.


Peak trolling.

No one appreciates my art :'-(.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira January 02, 2018 4:10 PM  

First of all @1 you are ghey.

Remember when hockey goalies didn't even wear masks?

Blogger Johnny January 02, 2018 5:20 PM  

For what it is worth I think football should be played out of doors, and when going to a local team, everybody puts up with the local weather. But only for the regular season. Playoffs should be in neutral territory weather wise.

What put Green Bay on the map with the ice bowl was what that not only was it really cold, but the cold front had moved in over night. Most everywhere else in the US, it was a reasonably mild day.

Now for me,

Of all things, I was from the Green Bay area and in Texas the day of the game. The room was full of Cowboy fans and if there was another Packer fan I never found out about it. No doubt the Cowboy fans were put off by conditions and the room was mostly silent and serious. And as the game progressed it only got more so. Perhaps some were apalled given the unlikely conditions their team had to play in.

Star was not a quarterback who favored contact with the other team. Thus the quarterback sneak was unusual for him and entirely unexpected. One of the interior lineman (Jerry Cramer?) told Star that he had found some footing and could do a push. Star took his advice and did what was on a physical level an easy score for him.

But for Vincent T. Lobardi, Brad Landry would have an even bigger reputation. The Packers stole a lot of glory from the Cowboys.

Some people think that Lombardi conspired to have bad field conditions. And surely he would not have been above it if he had thought of it. Difficult field conditions are harder on rookies then veterans.

>>One guy died in the stands... Despite widespread gun ownership, during the Lombardi era, some years more people died of heart attacks in the stadium during the games then died as a result of gunshot wounds in the population. (more or less all white people east of the Oneida reservation.)

Blogger Matamoros January 02, 2018 5:30 PM  

When football was football, with real plays and strategy; not a thugball affirmative action program.

Blogger Akulkis January 02, 2018 6:57 PM  

@27

"By the way, how long until the retards start to say the Viking logo is offensive? A Blonde seafaring Norseman who raided and conquered?"

And raped. Don't forget the rape.

Blogger spacehabitats January 02, 2018 7:23 PM  

I saw this game live on TV. Yes, we babybomers were spoiled.

Blogger Rough Carrigan January 02, 2018 7:48 PM  

#33. Part of athletic talent is your mind. If a guy can bench press 450 lbs but plays with sloppy technique and constantly gets blocked by a guy who can only bench press 350 lbs because the latter is tremendously disciplined and always gets position on the former, who actually has more talent?

Physical abilities tangentially related to the demands of a sport are nice but if never marshalled to win the game they don't matter.

Anonymous ScarletNumber January 03, 2018 8:38 AM  

@52

> Green Bay was guilty of a false start on the sneak. It should be the Landry Trophy.

Considering Green Bay already won the first one, I doubt it. It was only named after Lombardi after he died before Super Bowl V. Landry didn't die until 2000.

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