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Thursday, January 04, 2018

Will Bannon recover?

Katie McHugh thinks so, and has some interesting insights into Bannon's character when she's not talking about herself:
Will Bannon recover from this nuclear strike? Probably, but the radiation will hang around for a long time. What if Breitbart decides to drop its mask of acting like Trump and the MAGA movement’s conscience and decides to begin trashing Trump? It won’t end well for them: The Left will use them as a weapon against Trump and the base will thrash them before they stop reading them.

As for the White House Leaks — why do people talk to the media at all? Because every human being has an innate need to confess. That’s why people leak to the press and why they talk to the Opposition Media. Bannon is a Catholic, but has he heard of a priest?

Bannon is a warrior and a brilliant man; White House work was not for him. He wanted out. Sigmund Freud talks about “the death drive” and that may have been an unconscious cog turning in Steve’s mind as he spoke to the media....

Bannon has an excess of Logos and Pathos, but little Ethos. He rarely helps people whom he used as an energy source. More importantly, because he shoots from the hip, he doesn’t have a good sense of Kairos, which means striking at the opportune moment, while the iron is hot. When all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail, and Steve struck without discrimination and with wild abandon, cold or hot irons. Sometimes he hit the mark. Other times — no.

Bannon runs on a frantic energy that propels him forward. During my first phone conversation with him when I was interviewing with Breitbart, he kept asking me what I thought of this and that, and kept getting more and more amped up as I reeled off my thoughts. “What do you think of immigration?” he asked. “I think it affects everything,” I said offhand as I wandered around the art section of a Barnes and Noble. “Yeah!!!!” he yelled back. Whoa, I thought as I pulled the phone away from my ringing eardrums. This job is going to be awesome. Later, I thought, did I make a mistake by not majoring in studio art and going into journalism? Maybe these people should have left well enough alone and let me draw and paint all day instead of letting the velociraptor out of the pen. “That one: When she looks at you, you can see she’s working things out.” And at eight months, Bannon’s Valkyries are what is called “lethal”… When you’re blessed with the gift of aggression and you’re permitted to use it, establishments will fall before your eyes. With one jawbone, you can dispatch an entire army.

That same energy that drives Bannon and drives me also drives many talented and intelligent people who never learned to harness their energy like the bucking bronco it is. It brings people in and then it repulses them, because every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You must learn to tame it and reign it in, so it’s yours and it doesn’t run you. Fall asleep in the lap of your vices and you’ll wake up in the hands of your enemies.
This is why I always thought it was mildly amusing when people talked about Bannon as if he was some sort of master strategist, the Bill Belichick of politics. The truth is that Bannon is a superb tactician and he isn't a strategist at all. It was always Trump who was the strategist; what confuses people is that Trump is a better strategist than tactician even though he verbally shoots from the hip as if there is no tomorrow.

Bannon made several several mistakes - what part of DON'T TALK TO THE MEDIA is hard for the Right to understand? - but the worst one was that he judged Trump by his own standards, thinking his achievements justified a modest amount of disloyalty. But Trump always, always, always places loyalty first and foremost. That's why he often puts more responsibility in the hands that are less than competent than one might like to see. Fortunately, what keeps this from being a fatal flaw is that he is also a strong enough executive to not hesitate to remove that responsibility once he sees they cannot handle it to his liking.

Bannon will recover because, being a tactician, he has cornerback memory. Tacticians tend to bounce back quickly, as if nothing ever happened. Once he recovers his energy, no doubt he'll be causing serious heartburn for the mandarins of some industry, somewhere. But it could be anything; it won't necessarily have anything to do with U.S. politics.

That being said, it's unfortunate to see that even at the very top levels, the Right remains almost totally incapable of working productively together or looking out for each other's interests. There are a few, a very few, who play well with others, Mike Cernovich and Stefan Molyneux being the foremost examples, but for the most part, if you're on the Right, you're either wholly-owned by an interest group or you're on your own.

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Blogger szopen January 04, 2018 6:59 AM  

The thing is that the left does not actually have much coherency or solidarity of its own. They do not have to. All they have to be is to be marginally more coherent than the right.

Blogger Rich Hughes January 04, 2018 7:00 AM  

Should be a good read! http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politics/trump-book-best-lines/index.html

Blogger JACIII January 04, 2018 7:03 AM  

All these high class rich folks running around gossiping over the fence like Oprah rejects. Trash.

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 7:05 AM  

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Blogger Sillon Bono January 04, 2018 7:05 AM  

szopen wrote:The thing is that the left does not actually have much coherency or solidarity of its own. They do not have to. All they have to be is to be marginally more coherent than the right.


The left is not organized at all, what people perceive as organization is just all the involved parts of the left pushing in the same direction.

Same direction is whatever hurts the right.

One example is doing anything they can to sustain the narrative even when they perfectly know they are in the wrong just because it hurts or annoys the right.

Until the right starts to make part of their modus operandi screwing the left at every opportunity there is no progress to be made on the right.

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 7:07 AM  

Bannon will recover because, being a tactician, he has cornerback memory. Tacticians tend to bounce back quickly, as if nothing ever happened.

This is a fascinating insight. Thanks.

Blogger SteelPalm January 04, 2018 7:07 AM  

A sobering thought, but people on the Right who reject the failed conservative orthodoxy tend to have aggressive personalities, be individualist, and otherwise range from weird to slightly insane. There are exceptions, of course, but it describes myself as well as most people I've met who hold such views. And while I haven't met them, I'm sure it describes Bannon, Milo, and many others.

Needless to say, getting a bunch of prickly, individualist, slightly insane people to cooperate is very difficult.

With the Left, they're a bunch of collectivists who live and die based on group acceptance, and many have submissive, weak personalities. Ergo, they are able to cooperate much better, despite a generally higher level of insanity.

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 7:12 AM  

That being said, it's unfortunate to see that even at the very top levels, the Right remains almost totally incapable of working productively together or looking out for each other's interests.

Cooperation and teamwork require self-sacrifice to create generalized trust. Why, under the current set of assumptions, would anyone jump on a grenade?

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 7:15 AM  

(See also: https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2017/12/21/culture-war-part-2/. Sorry for shill but it's too big for copypasta.)

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 04, 2018 7:17 AM  

for the most part, if you're on the Right, you're either wholly-owned by an interest group or you're on your own.

Regarding the latter, it strikes me as a quintessential example of the great strength involved in self-reliance effectively turning to a great weakness in the context of a culture war, the thrust of which is Identity.

The Left is, by it's nature, nothing if not more monolithic. The good news is, of course, that they appear far more coalesced and organized than they actually are or are even capable of in virtue of the monolith's structure.

Anonymous daddynichol January 04, 2018 7:35 AM  

"As for the White House Leaks — why do people talk to the media at all? Because every human being has an innate need to confess."

Wrong. Some people like to control others and events by releasing true or false information while the press eagerly laps it up with little or no vetting. Others like to just stir up crap. Only a woman would immediately think it's only about a need to confess.

Anonymous Rocklea January 04, 2018 7:37 AM  

"Regarding the latter, it strikes me as a quintessential example of the great strength involved in self-reliance effectively turning to a great weakness in the context of a culture war, the thrust of which is Identity."

This. Combined with the secular flaw.

Blogger szopen January 04, 2018 7:40 AM  

The leftists are ready to jump to their throats at every opportunity. At least here; I don't know about USA, but here they have a lot of infighting, which only increased after they were utterly defeated in the last elections. From time to time there are ideological purges, where they ritualistically dispose of one of their own.

However, when they face the right, suddenly it all changes; everyone on the right is evil and inhuman and deserving only the preaching.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 04, 2018 7:45 AM  

You must learn to tame it and reign it in...

Katie writes for a living?

SAD!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 04, 2018 7:46 AM  

You must learn to tame it and reign it in...

Katie writes for a living?

SAD!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 04, 2018 7:46 AM  

You must learn to tame it and reign it in...

Katie writes for a living?

SAD!

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 7:48 AM  

while this is... without question extremely entertaining. to me its just a distraction.

The book is going to tell a lot of people what they already think... "I think Trump is dumb and I read a book that said Trump is dumb so I am right when I say Trump is dumb!"

whatever. The jobs are coming back. The tax bill got done. Obama's legacy is all but entirely destroyed.

Send them back. Build the wall. deal with the trade deficits. drain the swamp. Win 2020 by a landslide.

Everything else is pissing in the wind.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 04, 2018 7:52 AM  

Interested to see Bannon's response to the cease and desist letter Trump's lawyer sent him.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 04, 2018 7:53 AM  

I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. wrote:Regarding the latter, it strikes me as a quintessential example of the great strength involved in self-reliance effectively turning to a great weakness in the context of a culture war, the thrust of which is Identity.

The Left is, by it's nature, nothing if not more monolithic. The good news is, of course, that they appear far more coalesced and organized than they actually are or are even capable of in virtue of the monolith's structure.


Addendum:

While a problem of the Age certainly not isolated to the Right, it is nonetheless a problem: People don't know who they are; people do not know what they are.

I met a scribe once. He thought himself a king in virtue of his hypertrophied ability to scribble.

Blogger StrawMan January 04, 2018 7:56 AM  

The problem is he appoints less than competent people ... who end up being disloyal anyways.

Blogger Johnny January 04, 2018 8:00 AM  

I am not paid by the word so I will say it quickly. Bannon is a loose cannon. What Trump seems to be but isn't. Whether Bannon is a strategic thinker or not, he lacks the internal discipline to implement.

My take is that most Republican politicians regard their career as just another job. The Democrats are more like a religious cult, and that gives them a certain internal cohesion.

As for sticking together, the press walks in lockstep, as Rush Limbaugh occasionally points out (or used to) when the example is obvious. Used to be the New York Times that gave the marching orders, maybe still is.

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 8:10 AM  

"The problem is he appoints less than competent people ... who end up being disloyal anyways."

its also a problem because he appoints people to positions they are not suited for based on their loyalty... then fires them for not getting the job done.

So this great strategist uses a strategy that cannot help but leave him surrounded by lesser people. The system he uses looks like it was specifically designed to weed out loyal people.

Anonymous map January 04, 2018 8:11 AM  

This is all staged.

Trump and Bannon are just trolling the media with this act.

Bannon is the editor of Breitbart. It is well within his power to pen an op-ed criticizing Trump. Why hasn’t he? Why do we have to hear about these feuds from third-party, leftist sources?

Why do any of this? Three reasons:

First, the leftist media is just therapy for leftists. It exists to assuage their feelings of fear and dread. Put something in the media that the left likes, and they will get a nice dopamine rush from the effect.

Second, following from the first, Trump and Bannon can run the news cycle more effectively. First, Trump sends a tweet about his finger on the big nuclear button, and leftists start fainting all over the place. Then, send “news” about a Trump/Bannon feud and the dopamine rush assuages their fear. The entire process crowds out anything else from the news cycle so that stuff can happen in the background.

Third, a Trump/Bannon feud drives traffic to Breitbart. Why is this important? Breitbart is a back-channel to the Trump base. The comments that appear are a snapshot of what the base is thinking about various topics. This gives Trump another way of taking the temperature of the population when he does something that is polarizing.

This is why Bannon left the White House…to run this kind of media campaign for Trump. It’s very similar to how tv shows will have you download apps, go to a website or enter a sweepstakes as a measure of who is actually watching to check their Nielsen ratings.

If there was a real dispute between Trump and Bannon, then what is keeping Bannon afloat? Who is running Breitbart? How is Breitbart getting all of its traffic? Trust me. The Mercers are still there and Trump is still there.

Blogger traderdoc January 04, 2018 8:15 AM  

Bannon, better than almost anyone, should know You Don't Shoot Right.

He may recover, but if he doesn't, it's no loss.

Blogger Lazarus January 04, 2018 8:17 AM  

what part of DON'T TALK TO THE MEDIA is hard for the Right to understand?

Especially a writer like Wolff, who has a reputation for inventing quotes.

But she added, "Much to the annoyance of Wolff's critics, the scenes in his columns aren't recreated so much as created - springing from Wolff's imagination rather than from actual knowledge of events. Even Wolff acknowledges that conventional reporting isn't his bag." An editor who worked with Wolff told Cottle, "He is adroit at making the reader think that he has spent hours and days with his subject, when in fact he may have spent no time at all."

Blogger Desdichado January 04, 2018 8:18 AM  

That being said, it's unfortunate to see that even at the very top levels, the Right remains almost totally incapable of working productively together or looking out for each other's interests. There are a few, a very few, who play well with others, Mike Cernovich and Stefan Molyneux being the foremost examples, but for the most part, if you're on the Right, you're either wholly-owned by an interest group or you're on your own.

If you don't mind being told what to do and following someone else's agenda, you are less likely to be on the Right. Not that that precludes people working productively together, but I also think that that's an intrinsic trait of the Right overall—they tend to be much more individualistic, hence their attraction to philosophies on the Right in the first place.

Blogger Johnny January 04, 2018 8:22 AM  

Right remains almost totally incapable of working productively together...

Even though there are a lot of conservatives in the country popular culture is liberal. It takes a strong willed independent nature to buck that, so that is what you get.

Blogger VD January 04, 2018 8:23 AM  

So this great strategist uses a strategy that cannot help but leave him surrounded by lesser people. The system he uses looks like it was specifically designed to weed out loyal people.

Strategy is not management. Don't conflate the two. In fact, the reverse is the much more common problem. Executives with great management skills get promoted to CEO... and have absolutely no idea what to do strategically.

Blogger VD January 04, 2018 8:25 AM  

It takes a strong willed independent nature to buck that, so that is what you get.

Almost certainly. That's why I knew Gab was not viable. For example, Andrew Torba will never be able to work with anyone for long. He's far more concerned about his own ego than the interests of his purported allies. Which means it's only a matter of time before he has a falling out with his partners.

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 8:29 AM  

"Strategy is not management. "

strategy is designing a system to achieve a certain goal. thus we have management strategies.

Trump's management strategy looks like it was designed to weed out loyal people by promoting them to positions they can't handle... then firing them for not being able to handle that position.

This is like taking Joe Montana and asking him to throw fly patterns... then cutting him because he doesn't have the arm strength for it.

As for the rest of Trump's strategies... I dunno man. Trial and Error is a workable strategy but it isn't exactly a brilliant one.

Blogger Shimshon January 04, 2018 8:34 AM  

@23 "This is all staged."

That was my first reaction too. It plays too much into the narrative the left is trying to construct, and failing. Calling the meeting between Don Jr., Kushner, and the Russian chick treasonous, especially after Mueller seems to have given it a pass, leads me to believe Bannon could just be LARPing. But there are other things people have raised here indicating perhaps not (the leaking, primarily).

Blogger VD January 04, 2018 8:35 AM  

strategy is designing a system to achieve a certain goal. thus we have management strategies.

You're being pedantic and missing the point. The fact that you can concoct a strategy about anything does not mean that even the greatest strategist does.

I'm a decent strategist. I eat lunch. Rest assured that I have never bothered to concoct a lunch strategy. The fact that Trump has not focused his strategic skills on his management preferences is not even remotely surprising, even if he would be well-advised to do so.

For the vast majority of people, an actual management strategy is superseded by personal preferences, likes and dislikes, and so forth. Strategists like Bill Belichick, who probably applied a strategy to his romantic relationships, are highly unusual. Hell, most good strategists can't even successfully apply a strategic approach to getting along with people.

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 8:42 AM  

"I'm a decent strategist. I eat lunch. Rest assured that I have never bothered to concoct a lunch strategy. The fact that Trump has not focused his strategic skills on his management preferences is not even remotely surprising, even if he would be well-advised to do so."

All well and good.

So... if you were to organize it all out.. would you make 3 categories "Strategy, Management, and Tactics" or would it be "Strategy and Tactics" with Management as a sub category of tactics?

Anonymous Faceless January 04, 2018 8:43 AM  

Seeing as the author has a tenuous past history with the truth, I didn't believe much about this. I'd like to see a more vigorous repudiation by Bannon if he really did not say these things, but Jack P's been running several things on Twitter, including this retweet:

Back on Breitbart radio, Bannon assures caller that “there’s no one we think higher than Donald Trump” and says he supports MAGA agenda. Adds not to let “left wing” media stir this conflict up.
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/948879233098682370

I don't trust the writer of the novel.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 04, 2018 8:44 AM  


If there was a real dispute between Trump and Bannon, then what is keeping Bannon afloat? Who is running Breitbart? How is Breitbart getting all of its traffic? Trust me. The Mercers are still there and Trump is still there.


Bannon is worth at least ten million. Breitbart is profitable. Bannon and his editors run breitbart.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 04, 2018 8:49 AM  

From what I’ve observed, Bannon has no problems shooting right if it means he gains a significant tactical advantage. Back in 2015, the morning host on the Patriot Channel had made a significant shift in his philosophy (embracing Traditional Catholicism and becoming a de facto apologist in the process), and was turning his program into more of a means to get that message out than toeing the standard neocon line.

Bannon saw this as an opportunity to broaden Breitbart’s reach on the channel, and made a play to put in his show (which at the time was primarily relegated to weekends) into the old host’s spot.

Needless to say, but the ousted host was obviously bitter about what happened, but he had already been preparing for this situation, and ended up creating his own platform, and it seems to be doing well.

However, the entire situation totally changed my view on Bannon to the point I swore off Breitbart for a while. I only go back there these days because of John Nolte’s return after his stint with (((Shapiro))) after the Fields debacle, and that’s about it. Many of the other originals from Andrew’s crew are no longer there, and I think it’s in no small part due to Bannon’s influence.

I think Bannon’s problem is he’s desperately trying to hold up Andrew’s mantle, but his execution is terrible. Andrew had that ability, much like Milo, to go into certain media pits, stir shit up, and still get out of there smelling like a rose (Carlos Danger, anyone?). Bannon might have thought sitting with Wolff was a tactical plus, but as we can see, he is being outplayed quite easily. Trump is right to say Bannon’s lost his mind, because I don’t think it’s about what was “said”, it was that a conversation actually took place.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 04, 2018 8:52 AM  

I'm a decent strategist. I eat lunch. Rest assured that I have never bothered to concoct a lunch strategy.

Speaking of the hoodie, his most famous disciple does have a lunch strategy:

Saban eats the same things for breakfast and lunch every day.

“For breakfast, he eats two Little Debbie Oatmeal Creme Pies, for lunch, a salad of iceberg lettuce, turkey, and tomatoes. The regular menu, he says, saves him the time of deciding what to eat each day and speaks to a broader tendency to habituate his behaviors.”

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 04, 2018 9:00 AM  

Nate wrote:



whatever. The jobs are coming back. The tax bill got done. Obama's legacy is all but entirely destroyed.

Send them back. Build the wall. deal with the trade deficits. drain the swamp. Win 2020 by a landslide.





Don't forget the God-Emperor's epic reversal of *Global Warming*. Here at the Rez/Kibbutz in SC, we're at 19F with 4 inches of snow on the ground. Let's just declare this "Mission Accomplished" and move on to the Wall, aight?

Congrats on the Tide's victory over my beloved Tigers. Hope to see you next year for Round 4.

Blogger VD January 04, 2018 9:00 AM  

So... if you were to organize it all out.. would you make 3 categories "Strategy, Management, and Tactics" or would it be "Strategy and Tactics" with Management as a sub category of tactics?

I think they are three different categories. Logistics would be another distinct category. It's counterproductive to conflate these things, because that tends to hide the important distinctions. An effective logistician may have a great logistics strategy, but that doesn't make him a strategist. He thinks in terms of logistics, not strategies.

Saban eats the same things for breakfast and lunch every day.

See, now THAT is a strategist. It doesn't surprise me. He probably has an articulated strategy for when to move on to a new girlfriend too.

Anonymous CloseHauled January 04, 2018 9:10 AM  

What makes a movie GOOD?
GREAT actors?
Q
------
Trump and Bannon the GREAT actors?
Time will tell

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 04, 2018 9:12 AM  

See, now THAT is a strategist. It doesn't surprise me. He probably has an articulated strategy for when to move on to a new girlfriend too.

He basically does:

“‘Ultimately, you never want to sleep with anybody who has less to lose than you do,’ he said, ‘So, ultimately, if I’m ever going to sleep around on Miss Terry, it’s going to be with Hillary Fucking Rodham Clinton.'”

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 04, 2018 9:14 AM  

Who knew the Right had a strategy, I thought till Armageddon it would be leftist commit outrage, "conservatives" then write an essay explaining what it all means in an effort to sound smarter than the other "conservatives."

If all leftists died today, tomorrow the crisis of conservatism would be epic. Anyway at least in my lifetime I get to see those bow tied clowns tailgate the likes of Lena Dunham and the other lunatics of the cult.

Anonymous CloseHauled January 04, 2018 9:17 AM  

Q posted the above early this morning. Also this:

"[J-Go_dX)-2-8
Everything has meaning.
Who is AMB Matlock?
YES.
/[RR-out][P_pers]
EO_CLASSIFIED_WH[ -6713A]
SIG_con_MAR39sv3665BECD
"

So hints of a classified and yet unreleased Executive Order that can further confirm Q.

RR-out -- Rod Rosenstein out?

Blogger szopen January 04, 2018 9:27 AM  

Here at the Rez/Kibbutz in SC, we're at 19F with 4 inches of snow on the ground.
Here there is one more snowless winter. Actually, it snowed yesterday, but the snow melted the second it touched the ground. There was not a single day with a snow staying on the ground (in exception of some isolated patches here and there). 5C right now, prognosed to peak at 6C in the wednesday next week.
This winter really, really suck this year. Tepid weather, not cold enough to get snow, not warm enough, everything is wet. Previous winter I think we had two or three weeks or real winter in February and that's it.

Now, onto something different: if you're on the Right, you're either wholly-owned by an interest group or you're on your own.

A one acute political commenter made once a remark, that great guerilla leaders do not necesarily make great generals in regular war, nor great political leaders in time of peace. He noted that in context of Poland: that to oppose the communism and fight it effectively, one had very specific mindset. Sniffing the enemy agents, conspiracies, be suspicious, not willing to make compromise etc. That were the great traits when you were in conspiracy - but later made awful politicians when communism was (somewhat) defeated. Most of the great leaders of so called "democratic opposition" went on to become leaders of infighting, low blows, unable to compromise over even tiny issues in order to defeat the recovering left. He proposed that leaders of the resistance should get state salaries, become cult objects and then put into solitary luxury mansions, with everyone trying very hard to make their lifes comfortable and as far from the current politics as it is possible.

I guess most of current leading figures of the alt-right, with VD, Milo and Molyneaux should get their million dollars when the right with take over the institutions and win the culture fight.

Another thing, from my observation is that people fighting against all odds, who are constantly being called the worst names, either become broken and give up - or start to share also similar traits. Cejrowski was on of the few guys who influenced hundreds of thousands young Poles. I loved watching his programs. However, in his later age he became an unbearable, arrogant arsehole. There is something similar about few other "lone fighters". They raised the generation of rightwingers, but they lost something of their soul in the process, carrying the load in the times when no one was appreciating them. They seem to gain "f* you" attitude about everything they did. That's understandable; otherwise they wouldn't be able to do what they did. But still, for me they look like old, battle-hardened veterans with scars all over.

It's amazing that VD is able to still be able to be, at least sometimes, polite.

Anonymous Browncoat January 04, 2018 9:30 AM  

Porcupines are not herd animals. They don't need to be.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 04, 2018 9:33 AM  

Bannon could not get away with charging Trump with an aliens at Area 51 coverup was my first thoughts.

For people who take leftists serious on a personal level that above statement is ludicrous, the results are serious the people who cause those results are utter assclowns.

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 9:36 AM  

you have no idea how much I would love to see a Saban administration.

The press conferences would be epic. Saban and the Hoodie may be the only people on the planet who hate the press more than Trump.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 04, 2018 9:38 AM  

you have no idea how much I would love to see a Saban administration.

So would the rest of college football

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2018 9:39 AM  

CloseHauled wrote:What makes a movie GOOD?

GREAT actors?

Q

------

Trump and Bannon the GREAT actors?

Time will tell


If this actually staged, it all had to be worked out a while ago, as in there were nasty leaks by Bannon months ago. Anyway, my initial thought was Bannon = Role Player. Now, not sure anymore, so if act they have me going. Ha,ha,ha....couldn't be any more fun, one way or the other.

Except, "Not a Game." I am constantly aware of that.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak January 04, 2018 9:47 AM  

The Cult of Rugged Individualism™ is an anchor around the neck of the Right. People who are successful in multiple ventures always have a network of people they trust around them. These are the people you trust to do what they say and they will do it to the best of their ability. They are also the ones who will take you aside (in private - no bullshit interventions) and tell you when you are wrong, or you are heading for a fall, or just to get your head out of your ass when you are being an idiot.

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2018 9:49 AM  

This whole thing with the God Emperor is creating, within itself, the greatest Mystery/Adventure piece of the Culture Wars as it moves forward. Entertained, I AM.

Anonymous CloseHauled January 04, 2018 9:50 AM  

What's this Drudge? 1,000 arrested? For what?

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE_REPORT/status/948928944723582978

Blogger Alpha Jed January 04, 2018 9:53 AM  

Rope a dope meant to distract. Map is spot on above. Clearly had the effect of generating massive media coverage. Is it plausible? Too plausible, it hits every stereotype of Trump/Bannon. Is it consistent with a true feud? No. Is it consistent with a media op? Why did Trump just announce awards for MSM dishonesty? Why did the statement say Bannon was best at leaking to the media (like this op)?
This will go down as a brilliant tactic & strategic move to distract from going Ons behind the scenes. Why would Trump need to distance himself from Bannon during the coming disclosures?

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 9:55 AM  

Browncoat wrote:Porcupines are not herd animals. They don't need to be.

Neanderthals are extinct because they weren't herd animals.

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 9:59 AM  

Aeoli wrote:Browncoat wrote:Porcupines are not herd animals. They don't need to be.

Neanderthals are extinct because they weren't herd animals.


But then, I'm sure the African invasion of Europe will go differently this time, because reasons. No need to learn from history.

Blogger VD January 04, 2018 10:01 AM  

one acute political commenter made once a remark, that great guerilla leaders do not necesarily make great generals in regular war, nor great political leaders in time of peace.

Precisely. The roles and the psychologies are fundamentally different.

The Cult of Rugged Individualism is an anchor around the neck of the Right.

Agreed. The idea that "I could have done that just as easily" is also a problem.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 04, 2018 10:02 AM  

TontoBubbaGoldstein wrote:Here at the Rez/Kibbutz in SC, we're at 19F with 4 inches of snow on the ground.
You are having freezing temps because the polar air that should be over N. Eurasia is being sucked down through Canada by the errant jet stream and the GHG-induced decay of the polar vortex.

You want proof?  As well as @44, Moscow is well above freezing and has been for days.  Moscow!

https://www.accuweather.com/en/ru/moscow/294021/current-weather/294021

It's also another drought year in Kommiefornia, as the winter storms are pulled up into the PNW by the loop the jet stream is making around the Rockies.

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Anonymous CloseHauled January 04, 2018 10:12 AM  

"What's this Drudge? 1,000 arrested? For what?

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE_REPORT/status/948928944723582978"

Iranians

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 10:12 AM  

"Precisely. The roles and the psychologies are fundamentally different."

He's remembered for Helicopters... but the way Pinochet ran things after the coup is what really separates him from the rest.

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2018 10:14 AM  

"Neanderthals are extinct because they weren't herd animals."

You sure? Tons of their DNA left, especially in Northern Europe. Throw-backs everywhere, not that we notice lately as the Elite pro-rabbit factions run things...for now.

Anonymous johnc January 04, 2018 10:18 AM  

Trump isn't a great strategist. If he was he wouldn't have had a special counsel appointed by his own administration with the intention of finding a way to impeach him.

What president in history had a special counsel investigating him within four months of walking into the White House?

Everybody that worked on the Trump campaign and then went into the WH and then later left pretty much tells the same story, which is that the WH is a complete trainwreck.

Putting aside whether it is good or bad for Bannon to make these comments, the important question is whether or not they are true, and if so, if there's anything we can ascertain from the information.

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 10:24 AM  

tuberman wrote:"Neanderthals are extinct because they weren't herd animals."

You sure? Tons of their DNA left, especially in Northern Europe. Throw-backs everywhere, not that we notice lately as the Elite pro-rabbit factions run things...for now.


Yeah I know, but more detail is often bad communication.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 04, 2018 10:37 AM  

There's that excerpt from the upcoming book that this is all based on, and the snippets.
Where all these people fired from the White House because they couldn't perform get together and dish.

And one of the things that they dish on is how Trump doesn't seem to listen and tells you the same story over and over and talks to you like you're a little kid.

And I can't help but think of that friend-of-a-friend story going around the internet where a Hispanic fellow is watching a Trump speech where he's doing his 'talk at a fourth grade level so everyone can understand' thing, and his grandmother comes in and laughs. She explains, "You know I used to work for him in New York? The first time he talks to me, he talks like that. Then, in a few minutes, when he realized I'm smarter than that, he started talking better, and he put me in charge of the crew."

It's just like his everyone-speeches are fourth grade level, but when he gave a speech to AIPAC, where you could assume that everyone in the audience was a college graduate, the speech was at a 12th grade level.

If Trump talks to you like you're a little kid and then never raises the level and then lets you go, it's because he thinks you're stupid.

Another bit: The book tries to rag on him for watching three screens of news at a time while he's on the phone to a number of trusted confidants. As if this is a bad thing.

They are actually describing a combination of Ozymandias from Watchmen with the late Phil Hartman's 'President Reagan, Mastermind' sketch.

Anonymous gxg January 04, 2018 10:44 AM  

I agree with others who say this is staged. While working in the Trump administration and afterward, Bannon definitely talked to the media. He leaked. He planted stories. He created distractions.

Now, let's all stop to consider how the MSM has fared over the last year. Not so good. Trump and Bannon are working together to destroy the corrupt MSM. If the pattern holds, even these recent developments will blow up in the MSM's faces.

Anonymous qualitycontrol January 04, 2018 10:50 AM  

@johnc
Trump is the first president that is under constant attack from all sides since he announced his candidacy. I have never seen a headquarter during a war but I am sure there was plenty of chaos in the Soviet HQ when Hitlers tanks were moving closer and closer to Moscow.

Blogger Quilp January 04, 2018 10:53 AM  

As a strategy, President Trump's constant tweets that undermine, or completely contradict his own campaign promises on immigration, aren't endearing his own base to him, if thats his goal. Other than keeping people (his own voters) in a a state of constant agitation, what would be the purpose of tweeting out that" illegal aliens are going to love him"? Trial balloons, signaling intentions, trolling, psy-ops, whatever it is he is doing isn't going down very well with people who have been completely devoted to him thus far.

I don't think Breitbart has to be "conscience" of the Trump administration, merely the guardrail that keeps the administration from drifting too far from promises it has made. That is how Breitbart has been playing it, and from what I see, President Trump is the one taking the hits, not Breitbart, at least so far.

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 10:58 AM  

Guys.

This is not staged.

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2018 10:59 AM  

gxg wrote:I agree with others who say this is staged. While working in the Trump administration and afterward, Bannon definitely talked to the media. He leaked. He planted stories. He created distractions.

Now, let's all stop to consider how the MSM has fared over the last year. Not so good. Trump and Bannon are working together to destroy the corrupt MSM. If the pattern holds, even these recent developments will blow up in the MSM's faces.


I've gone back to my 80/20 intuition that Bannon is the third major Role Player. "Good Actors"

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 11:06 AM  

Nate wrote:Guys.

This is not staged.


I'm a bit saddened that we've lost so much cultural capital that our political climate is comparable to Turkey.

Anonymous Krautman January 04, 2018 11:07 AM  

The number of those interviewed (and there appear to be tapes) that say in one way or another that DJT is straight up intellectually handicapped is shocking. I'm not sure what to think of it. Seems unlikely that it's made up. And with the tapes, the author has his own back.

Blogger Aeoli January 04, 2018 11:12 AM  

Krautman wrote:The number of those interviewed (and there appear to be tapes) that say in one way or another that DJT is straight up intellectually handicapped is shocking. I'm not sure what to think of it. Seems unlikely that it's made up. And with the tapes, the author has his own back.

Lol, you have to go back.

Anonymous johnc January 04, 2018 11:13 AM  

@69 The number of those interviewed (and there appear to be tapes) that say in one way or another that DJT is straight up intellectually handicapped is shocking.

Bannon warned months ago that the opposition is going to push the 25th Amendment angle.

Meanwhile, The Grand Strategist is on Twitter bragging about his big button.

Anonymous Rocklea January 04, 2018 11:14 AM  

"The number of those interviewed (and there appear to be tapes) that say in one way or another that DJT is straight up intellectually handicapped is shocking."

If I had a dollar for every billionaire tard I'd met...

Blogger Jimmy The Freak January 04, 2018 11:14 AM  

@69

The number of articles published at the end of 2017 talking about the surprising number of successes achieved by the Trump administration in the past 10+ months would seem to contradict.

In fact, the idea that Trump was able to build a multi-billion dollar empire in real estate would lead me to believe that he enjoys being chronically underestimated.

Blogger Gordon Scott January 04, 2018 11:14 AM  

Cornerback memory is an interesting concept. Learning about it here is well worth the cost of the VP superpremium package with the contextual glossary!

Anonymous johnc January 04, 2018 11:25 AM  

@73 In fact, the idea that Trump was able to build a multi-billion dollar empire in real estate would lead me to believe that he enjoys being chronically underestimated.

Whether the charge is true or not is irrelevant. They're not trying to win a truth table contest with this tactic. They just want to establish a "filter" in the minds of the public that skew the people's perceptions of any of Trump's future tweets, actions, etc.

Anonymous Krautman January 04, 2018 11:28 AM  

"In fact, the idea that Trump was able to build a multi-billion dollar empire in real estate would lead me to believe that he enjoys being chronically underestimated."

That DJT would be underestimated is entirely possible, particularly given that estimates of his ability are so low. However, building a real estate empire, particularly one that is built largely on optioning his name vs building something, is different than effectively running a government and leading a coalition.

One real problem is that DJT doesn't inspire much loyalty among anyone but his family--another ding on his leadership ability.

Anonymous Andrew E. January 04, 2018 11:34 AM  

The number of those interviewed (and there appear to be tapes) that say in one way or another that DJT is straight up intellectually handicapped is shocking.

So career bureaucrats and political operatives can't understand how Trump works?

**shrug**

That's a good thing.

Blogger KBuff January 04, 2018 11:34 AM  

Wolff has a reputation for inventing 'facts' out of whole cloth in many of the articles he has written. Even the Washington Post notes a couple of absolute falsehoods in the book. The man is not to be believed.

Anonymous Rocklea January 04, 2018 11:37 AM  

"One real problem is that DJT doesn't inspire much loyalty among anyone but his family--another ding on his leadership ability."

I'm very concerned too. Should we tell the 60 million Americans that voted for him? Can they handle the truth? Hillary's people are already woke of course, but what about everyone else?

Blogger Feather Blade January 04, 2018 11:59 AM  

daddynichol wrote:Some people like to control others and events by releasing true or false information while the press eagerly laps it up with little or no vetting. Others like to just stir up crap.

...stirring up crap for the sake of stirring up crap is far far more destructive than merely having an innate need to confess.

Anonymous DanVincent January 04, 2018 12:10 PM  

#23 wins the day. It's all theater. Too many people on this blog aren't seeing it for what it is. Sad! :D

Blogger VD January 04, 2018 12:12 PM  

Seems unlikely that it's made up.

"Seems...."

Anonymous gxg January 04, 2018 12:35 PM  

If we're lucky, Monday's Fake News Awards will shed some new light on this. As for me, I'm stocking up on popcorn.

Anonymous Krautman January 04, 2018 12:43 PM  

The writer has tapes. DJT and others know this. New policy put in place at WH today...No cell phones may be brought into WH.

What’s intriguing about this is not the possibility of the author’s quotes being confirmed. Rather, it’s the worst of the claims about DJT’s ignorance being confirmed.

Important question: What idiot consented to this writer being given access to the West Wing?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 04, 2018 12:47 PM  

Fer Crissakes people. Did you see Trump's tweet? "Bannon was constantly leaking to the media, true stories and false."

He's laughing at you and slapping you with his huge member and you're sure you've got him dead to rights this time. This time you'll get him.

This is a promotional campaign for the freaking book. Yes, even the legal threats. Especially the legal threats.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) January 04, 2018 12:48 PM  

Important question: What idiot consented to this writer being given access to the West Wing?

Trump

Anonymous BBGKB January 04, 2018 1:09 PM  

"As for the White House Leaks — why do people talk to the media at all? Because every human being has an innate need to confess."

I am aware that all it would take is me going out to DC bars telling a bad story about TRUMP & it will be reported as anonymous insider info by all the dino media, but a Mexican caught on video dumping the body of an 8yo white girl he raped to death would get no coverage.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/01/15-year-old-hispanic-rapes-and-murders-8-year-old-white-girl-wanted-to-know-how-people-would-react/

most Republican politicians regard their career as just another job. The Democrats are more like a religious cult

How do you trick women into thinking having the poossy branded is empowering?

"women are branded near their genitalia. Women who joined the group were given the impression that the sisterhood was created to empower women."

https://www.dangerous.com/39845/battlestar-galactica-actress-nicki-clyne-smallvilles-allison-mack-involved-sex-cult/

"If you don't mind being told what to do and following someone else's agenda, you are less likely to be on the Right"

It might have something to do with how Soros makes people kiss the ring https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/17330034

"This is all staged." Lets see if Bannon supports Joe "Hands on" Biden for pres in 2020.

Blogger michaeloh59 January 04, 2018 1:11 PM  

#23
#31
My first reaction was 'Bannon cannot possibly have done something so stupid. This cannot be real'. And the motive? Bannon will play the Nazi so as to give Trump a rhetorical shield to fend off the hysterical accusations of 'No Trump.No KKK. No fascist USA'. Now Trump can defend himself the same way Shapiro and Milo do: what? Me a Nazi? Are you F'ing kidding me? Dose guys hate me! If true, Bannon is a trooper.

Blogger Joeplanet January 04, 2018 1:50 PM  

This is a terrific strategy for creating deficiencies in one’s diet.

Anonymous #5454 January 04, 2018 1:58 PM  

And yet, I cannot shake all the video footage in my mind involving Trump in faux war and rivalry in the world of professional wrestling.

Trump may be the Andy Kaufman Commander in Chief troll we need.

If true, forget over 9000. This is over 9 billion.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 04, 2018 2:39 PM  

VD wrote:one acute political commenter made once a remark, that great guerilla leaders do not necesarily make great generals in regular war, nor great political leaders in time of peace.

Precisely. The roles and the psychologies are fundamentally different.

The Cult of Rugged Individualism is an anchor around the neck of the Right.

Agreed. The idea that "I could have done that just as easily" is also a problem.


This stuff is why this my first blog o' the day.

I'd also wager that is one of the few in the not the only blog that understands the problem space, Conservatives can't work with others, mostly (our current host, the President , many folks here and a few others) lead or follow either

This is the first blog I know that had a clear idea of what an actual Conservative society might look like and any points and to what it should or should not contain, 16 of them in fact

Now full agreement is not necessarily going to be a thing and the language in point 8, IMO anyway could use work, its still not only better than nothing but actually very good

No one else is doing this and note "Muh Constitution" failed with the Whiskey Rebellion Lincoln's War if you feel generous or Wilson through Roosevelt if you a Whig.

Guns, training and gear are useless without will, an agenda and a willingness to rule.

Its why the militia right who are some of the best men this country has to offer are so worthless. They want to scarper home to Monticello 2.0 ASAP and "be left alone" which can't work in a complex world.

My personal take on the matter is that the guy who has a plan that is something like "You see those Hallmark Channel movies? I'm going to make a America like that." and has a workable plan to make happen will have an army behind him

Until that or something else, heck the crowd here, somebody has a plan as good or better, not much is going to happen.

Thanks God, Gods whoever that President Trump is giving a chance to lay the groundwork

Blogger Edgar Abbey January 04, 2018 3:36 PM  

This feud is absolutely a fake.

Trump’s threatened lawsuit (which will not happen) is intended to drive up book sales.

Trump is helping to raise Bannon’s profile, and that of Breitbart.

Anonymous johnc January 04, 2018 3:44 PM  

@91 This feud is absolutely a fake.

If there is any behind the scenes it's probably this:

Bannon wanted to tear down the GOPe in the 2018 midterms. This set up a war between Bannon and McConnell and the GOPe. Everything went hot with the Roy Moore campaign. Drudge is, of course, working with McConnell and the GOPe.

Drudge / McConnell / GOPe have struck effectively against Bannon; his prospects for the 2018 elections look pretty dismal now.

I don't think Bannon has said anything that isn't accurate, but maybe he just said stuff off-the-cuff, in a personal setting, etc. These don't appear to be "prepared statements", so to speak. He probably didn't intend to damage the president per se, but he has been completely open about the need to get Javanka the hell out of the WH.

Also recall that Susan Rice encouraged McMaster to push Bannon out of the WH.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 04, 2018 4:00 PM  

Well, johnc, you've been overwhelmingly and consistently wrong on every possible news item, every day, for months. May I remond you that Trump is not going to be impeached?

Anonymous johnc January 04, 2018 4:13 PM  

@93

I have yet to be wrong once, if I may say so myself.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 04, 2018 4:43 PM  

I have yet to be wrong once, if I may say so myself
Having thoroughly demonstrated your inabilty to see reality outside the lens of your desires, this statement only confirms your willful blindness and ignorance.

Anonymous glosoli January 04, 2018 4:47 PM  

Molyneux, Milo, Cernovitz, Beale:

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1170649/

Your controlled right opposition for this round of civil war. Don't expect them to do any fighting!

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 04, 2018 5:35 PM  

@85  Holy crap, do you realize the possibilities there are in that?  Not just the tell-all accounts afterward, but in comedy on the Murdoch Murdoch model in the short term?  Man, I wish I could do video.

Anonymous Battlefrog January 04, 2018 5:41 PM  

Molyneux does it right, but Cernovich is constantly getting caught up in dramas. Too much of his fame is fueled by drama, unlike Stefan.

Blogger Nate January 04, 2018 5:46 PM  

"Molyneux does it right, but Cernovich is constantly getting caught up in dramas. Too much of his fame is fueled by drama, unlike Stefan."

GUYS GUYS GUYS!

I AM QUITTING SOCIAL MEDIA! QUITTING! DO YOU HEAR???

Anonymous Captain America January 04, 2018 5:55 PM  

Clearly Bannon is a strategist and a tactician. The flurry of executive orders that ranges from gutting regulations in business and environment was borne from the long-range plan of a clear nationalist strain. Bannon read the tea leaves while at Breitbart, crafting the narrative along the way as a revolt against academics and bureaucrats. People forget that his “loose cannon” ways was viewed by Trump supporters as the ultimate weapon against the establishment. In reality, everything was carefully thought out for future political and monetary opportunities. Not surprisingly, when Bannon reveals the inner workings of his former boss in his apparent off the cuff manner, he becomes the pariah.

Anonymous johnc January 04, 2018 6:31 PM  

@93

Well, there is this: http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/04/mcconnell-applauds-trumps-comments-on-bannon/

Blogger great_o'rety January 04, 2018 6:53 PM  

VD wrote:So... if you were to organize it all out.. would you make 3 categories "Strategy, Management, and Tactics" or would it be "Strategy and Tactics" with Management as a sub category of tactics?

I think they are three different categories. Logistics would be another distinct category. It's counterproductive to conflate these things, because that tends to hide the important distinctions. An effective logistician may have a great logistics strategy, but that doesn't make him a strategist. He thinks in terms of logistics, not strategies.

This is one of the main things that makes Keirsey's "Please Understand Me" so fascinating. He gathers 16 MBTI types into groups based on four categories he calls 'intelligencies': Strategic (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ), Tactical (ESTP, ISTP, ESFP, ISFP), Logistical (ESTJ, ISTJ, ESFJ, ISFJ) and Diplomatic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ).

VD strikes me as INTP which Keirsey describes thus: "Architectonics is the science of spatial relationships—organization, structure, build, configuration—and Architects from a very early age are preoccupied with spatial relativity and systems design. But INTPs must not be thought of as only interested in configuring three-dimensional spaces such as buildings, bridges, and machines; they are also the architects of curricula, of corporations, and of all kinds of theoretical systems. In other words, INTPs are men and women whose aim is to design systemic structures and to engineer structural models. All of these Architects look upon the
world as little more than raw material to be reshaped according to their design, as formless stone that must yield to their coordinate lines of demarcation. Indeed, in their later years (after finding out that most others are faking an understanding of the laws of nature), INTPs are likely to think of themselves as the master organizers who must pit themselves against nature and society in an unending effort to create organization out of the raw materials of nature."

I can't say which type of tactician is Bannon (or if he indeed is one) but Trump, it seems to me, sits fair and square in the middle of ESTP. Let's hear Keirsey again: "Promoting is the art of putting forward an enterprise and then of winning others to your side, persuading them have confidence in you and to go along with what you propose. Of all the Artisans, ESTPs seem especially able to advertise or publicize their endeavors in this way, and to maneuver others in the direction they want them to go. In a sense, they are able to operate people with much the same skill as ISTPs operate instruments, machines, vehicles, and other tools. It might be said that people are instru­ments in the hands of these Promoters, and that they play them artistically."

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