Saturday, February 03, 2018

Beyond imagining

It's understandably hard for ordinary Americans to take seriously the overwrought claims of Hollywood actors and actresses that shady people are trying to kill them or destroy them. Then you read things like this story about Uma Thurman's treatment at the hands of Harvey Weinstein and his team, and you realize that it is simply an alien world every bit as foreign as a civil war in Malawi or ethnic conflict in the former Yugoslavia.
Since the revelations about Weinstein became public last fall, Thurman has been reliving her encounters with him — and a gruesome episode on location for “Kill Bill” in Mexico made her feel as blindsided as the bride and as determined to get her due, no matter how long it took.

With four days left, after nine months of shooting the sadistic saga, Thurman was asked to do something that made her draw the line.

In the famous scene where she’s driving the blue convertible to kill Bill — the same one she put on Instagram on Thanksgiving — she was asked to do the driving herself.

But she had been led to believe by a teamster, she says, that the car, which had been reconfigured from a stick shift to an automatic, might not be working that well.

She says she insisted that she didn’t feel comfortable operating the car and would prefer a stunt person to do it. Producers say they do not recall her objecting.

“Quentin came in my trailer and didn’t like to hear no, like any director,” she says. “He was furious because I’d cost them a lot of time. But I was scared. He said: ‘I promise you the car is fine. It’s a straight piece of road.’” He persuaded her to do it, and instructed: “ ‘Hit 40 miles per hour or your hair won’t blow the right way and I’ll make you do it again.’ But that was a deathbox that I was in. The seat wasn’t screwed down properly. It was a sand road and it was not a straight road.” (Tarantino did not respond to requests for comment.)

Thurman then shows me the footage that she says has taken her 15 years to get. “Solving my own Nancy Drew mystery,” she says.

It’s from the point of view of a camera mounted to the back of the Karmann Ghia. It’s frightening to watch Thurman wrestle with the car, as it drifts off the road and smashes into a palm tree, her contorted torso heaving helplessly until crew members appear in the frame to pull her out of the wreckage. Tarantino leans in and Thurman flashes a relieved smile when she realizes that she can briefly stand.
If a car can't go 40 MPH on a straight stretch of road, you don't need a stunt driver, you need a crash team investigation and a prosecutor. I doubt Tarantino tried to kill Thurman, but either she is the worst driver in the world or someone did.

Two weeks after the crash, after trying to see the car and footage of the incident, she had her lawyer send a letter to Miramax, summarizing the event and reserving the right to sue. Miramax offered to show her the footage if she signed a document “releasing them of any consequences of my future pain and suffering,” she says. She didn’t.

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Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener February 03, 2018 12:20 PM  

I really can't tell if this is a pampered actress' histrionic tendencies showing or a legitimate grievance. If it was a soft sand road, I could see 40 mph being dangerously fast.

Anonymous Eduardo February 03, 2018 12:20 PM  

Worst driver...

So she is another Weinstein's scores... Fannnntastic.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti February 03, 2018 12:27 PM  

@VD and Noah B

There's embedded video in the article. Watch it.

The road isn't straight, and the car isn't safe.

They tried to kill her.

Blogger Johnny February 03, 2018 12:29 PM  


I watched the clip of the drive. Her problem was that it was on a gravel road that apparently offered little traction. When she went into a shallow turn, and apparently, lost some traction. I would imagine it was the rear wheels because that would be most common. She over corrected once or twice and the trees were really close to the edge of the road. I doubt there was anything wrong with the car. The main issue is that she was going a little too fast on a road that offered little traction.

As for her, she put up with all sorts of BS right along for the sake of her career. While she may have been a victim, she was one of the people who went along to get along. Society can't do much about this stuff when both parties go along with it. The cure is apt to be worse than the disease.

I think most of us are settled that Weinstein an exploitive pig. Apparently Tarrantino is no better than his boss. Hardly a man to be lecturing the rest of us.

Blogger KBuff February 03, 2018 12:37 PM  

The seat does look like there is something wrong with it, but it looks like they just had no business having her drive down a narrow dirt road with curves and lined with trees. Bad business, for sure.

Blogger James February 03, 2018 12:42 PM  

Darth Dharmakīrti wrote:
They tried to kill her.

Plleeeeezzz! Wouldn't killing her force them to reshoot everything with another actress? How would this benefit Tarantino and the studio? Hollyweird people may be stupid, but there is one thing they are all focused on. The bottom line.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab February 03, 2018 12:55 PM  

There is literally hundreds of extra hours of footage to splice in. Besides if I remember correctly that scene was eventually shot inn green screen

Anonymous Iacobus February 03, 2018 12:55 PM  

I had no idea that there was such a rift between Thurman and Tarantino. (I also had no idea there was an accident that caused said rift.) xD

Whatever the case, it was reckless to allow her to do it. What was Tarantino thinking? Thurman obviously trusted him a little too much.

Anonymous Reenay February 03, 2018 12:59 PM  

It's understandably hard for ordinary Americans to take seriously the overwrought claims of Hollywood actors and actresses that shady people are trying to kill them or destroy them.

Well, in complete fairness, most ordinary Americans don't live and work in one of Satan's biggest outposts on Earth.

Anonymous Eduardo February 03, 2018 1:01 PM  

Now that I finally got to see the video because iPhone just can't be bothered to load it...The way I see it: no training, definitely should have been done by a rally pro, or a stunt driver.

Worst driver... that is all there is to it. The position of her hands is horrible, she is too close to the wheel, obviously struggling and anxious, the Manual Gear would have been even worst, the Auto Gear helped her focus on keeping the car on the road. What got her was the sudden low traction in the front tyres in the turn. She got desperate and lost control.

Tarantino shouldn't have told her to go full speed, they should have test-run that part a few times if it was so important to have Uma on the Car.

I don't know if Tarantino can take the blame here... I would blame him for useless rub-shoulder help XD. But Tarantino probably imagined the take would be very simple, probably never even read about or saw (or played a bloody Video Game) cars on gravel. It was simply a Dunning-Kruger moment.

Anonymous Eduardo February 03, 2018 1:04 PM  


She felt compelled to drive because there was probably no stunt double present, or there wasn't any stunt that could be used.

Tarantino just imagined that 40 MPH on a gravel road would be almost like asphalt, and felt like it Uma was being a PrimaDonna of some sort.

All they need to do is put one of the Finnish Blondes and the scene would have been made at 80 MPH.

Blogger Salt February 03, 2018 1:06 PM  

She should have done a couple runs, working up to speed. How that was handled was pure incompetence.

Blogger Johnny February 03, 2018 1:09 PM  

Ordinarly road gravel offers little traction until it sets up, and the road looked so clean and white that I suspect it was fresh gravel (not dirt). Put down, is suppose, for appearances. The correct way to drive on such a surface is to test the tracion at slow speed using either brakes or steering. Otherwise you don't know what you are dealing with.

Blogger JACIII February 03, 2018 1:12 PM  

Either the steering gear was really sloppy or she's the worst driver on the planet. Bugs and their derivatives turn in really well, they change direction immediately.

Blogger JACIII February 03, 2018 1:14 PM  

Uma may not have driven herself anywhere for quite some time. It's probably not cool for starlets to be seen driving their own cars.

Anonymous Broken Arrow February 03, 2018 1:14 PM  

I don't think they were trying to deliberately kill her they just didn't care what happened to her. There's always another actress ready to take one's place.

Anonymous Eduardo February 03, 2018 1:15 PM  


it is not a bug bruh.

It is obviously a Cabriolet with FR configuration made for asphalt.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) February 03, 2018 1:15 PM  

but either she is the worst driver in the world

Well, you know what they say about women drivers! Wasn't power steering invented for women?

Anonymous trev006 February 03, 2018 1:22 PM  

Drive down a narrow dirt road near obstacles in a modified car, with an insistence on hitting a relatively unsafe speed, just to get a clip of wind blowing her hair correctly? Idiocy or treachery? How about "and?"

Sure she might not be a great driver, but then that may have been the point. If you told me Weinstein ordered Tarantino to do this Or Else, I'd easily believe it. Even if crippling or killing one of their major actresses could hurt Miramax, it was very useful indeed for Harvey Weinstein, and that was all Miramax really cared about. "If you rat AND have plans to trust another human again, something worse could happen."

I am vastly amused by the notion that the Bride can stand up to swarms of trained killers, but Uma Thurman can't stand up to a nebbish like Tarantino- even to avoid something she knew was unsafe! LOL doesn't begin to cover it, if it takes her this many years to find "courage." These celebritards really have no chance if the cold war with Trump goes hot.

Blogger Bob Loblaw February 03, 2018 1:24 PM  

Miramax offered to show her the footage if she signed a document “releasing them of any consequences of my future pain and suffering,” she says. She didn’t.

I'm surprised she didn't die laughing. If she decided to sue them she gets that video in discovery.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 03, 2018 1:28 PM  

Uma may not have driven herself anywhere for quite some time. It's probably not cool for starlets to be seen driving their own cars
Actors need insurance when they appear in movies. Especially action related movies.
A lot of insurance companies won't even cover of the actor drives certain cars or motorcycles.

Blogger Ceerilan February 03, 2018 1:32 PM  

This story really is amazing. The foolishness required to not do test runs for something that's important doesn't remind me of America...more like a shithole.

Anonymous O.C. February 03, 2018 1:33 PM  

What I see here is someone driving a Karmann Ghia too fast down a narrow dirt/sand/gravel road, and then zigging into that quick right-left ess and losing it. KG's, like most original VW beetle derivatives, have great rear-wheel traction to get going and to stop, but terrible front-wheel steering traction on anything other than clean and dry pavement. On snow, sand, or gravel, they're like trying to steer a toboggan: terrible understeer, until the front wheels cut get far enough to one side for the *sidewalls* to start plowing up the snow/sand/gravel/whatever, and then breathtaking oversteer. I'm not surprised she went into the tree.

I don't see criminal intent here. I see actionable negligence on the part of the director, for putting Thurman in the driver's seat instead of a stunt double. So definitely, sue the bastard.

Blogger pyrrhus February 03, 2018 1:42 PM  

Something that "made her draw the line"....but in typical fashion, she didn't ultimately draw the line and was almost killed because she lacked the courage of her convictions.

Blogger Johnny February 03, 2018 1:51 PM  

Well lets see. A major production so the expense clock is ticking at maybe so many thousands of dollars a day. Nobody thinks it is dangerous so it isn't farmed out to a stunt person and maybe a lessor production company to keep down liability. Thus they put the big squeeze on her to get it done, most likely with none of them familiar with driving on a low traction road.

Anonymous Ain February 03, 2018 1:55 PM  

"It's understandably hard for ordinary Americans to take seriously the overwrought claims of Hollywood actors and actresses that shady people are trying to kill them or destroy them. "

I believe they should all be treated as red flags to come take a closer look. Maybe something will be found, maybe not. It's an industry in which deaths spike sales.

Blogger Johnny February 03, 2018 2:04 PM  

We have a large armed population and big name people all get death threats. Most of them are anonymous crank stuff with a few real crazies out there. I would imagine if you really want to kill somebody and you are not a nut case, you just do it.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 03, 2018 2:09 PM  

Do I think Weinstein intended murder and Tarantino was his accomplice? I'd need more compelling evidence of intent to commit murder.

Do I think she was put in a dangerous situation that might 'teach her a lesson' so that she never steps out of line again? I think, given what we know of Hollywood at this point, absolutely.

Blogger Robert What? February 03, 2018 2:12 PM  

40 miles per hour on a loose gravel or sandy road can definitely be treacherous. Instant death treacherous? Probably not. But certainty shaken up treacherous.

Anonymous Eddie February 03, 2018 2:17 PM  

I can go either way on just the video, but you combine that with Tarantino choosing to be the one that spits in her face and chokes her with a chain?

He may not have been consciously trying to kill her, but I'd bet he has some kind of fetish for hurting beautiful women.

I mean, spitting in someone's face is about the most insulting thing you can do. If I'm a director and my story calls for that, my first choice is going to have the sfx guys rig up a squirt gun that can shoot fake saliva. My second choice is going to be to bring in some random assistant to do it. My third choice would be to have the actor playing opposite of her do it. No way am I going to do it myself, to somebody I work with on a day in day out basis ... but then spitting on a beautiful woman doesn't get my rocks off. I suspect Quentin is a little bit different.

Blogger Johnny February 03, 2018 2:38 PM  

How regrettable that these people have a role in forming our culture.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 03, 2018 2:46 PM  

There is an agent in Hollywood, not well-known to ordinary folks. His current & past clients contain a host of-offenders, procurers, and those that were "procured."
There are stories involving some of his clients dating back to the late 70s-early 80s, and what occurred to them. If you scroll thru the list of current clients & even down to his past clients, you may be aware of some of these stories, yourselves.
I've heard stories about numerous more. One recently, in fact, involving a famous magician who's recently been #MeToo'd and a young actress who is on the past client roster. She was an A list child actress in the 70s-80s, tv and movies, who no longer acts. The famous magician did a number on her when he was a child.
The top client listed is someone who traffics heavily in CP, and is possibly related to the recent actor suicide. He is also a STRONG possibility for one of the molesters of the dead actor friend of a male child actor who everyone had hoped would blow the whistle on pedophilia in Hollywood. He is also on the past clients list.
If you want to know more, I do know more.

Anonymous a_peraspera February 03, 2018 3:15 PM  

OT: Italy waking up?

"A failed election candidate for Italy’s far-right Northern League has been arrested after a gunman targeted African migrants in a two-hour drive-by shooting spree in the Italian city of Macerata."

“He drove around in his car and when he saw any coloured people he shot them”

"The shootings happened days after a Nigerian was arrested in connection with the death of an 18-year-old Italian woman, Pamela Mastropietro, whose dismembered body was discovered hidden in two suitcases near Macerata."

Well yeah, six mud deaths as retaliation for one murdered white woman seems like a good start. I'd make it 50 to one as a matter of policy.

Anonymous Poli_Mis February 03, 2018 3:18 PM  

Plleeeeezzz! Wouldn't killing her force them to reshoot everything with another actress? How would this benefit Tarantino and the studio? Hollyweird people may be stupid, but there is one thing they are all focused on. The bottom line.

As she said in the article, the principal footage was all finished they just needed to do this scene and INSIST that she be the driver. I watched the clip. Even a stunt driver would have needed at least the seat bolted down.

Anonymous Poli_Mis February 03, 2018 3:20 PM  

And there is nothing suspicious whatsoever about the line, "don't drive less than 40mph or I will have you do it again."

Blogger tublecane February 03, 2018 3:21 PM  

"either she is the worst driver in the world or someone did"

She could have been high. We're talking about Hollywood.

But I have no reason to disbelieve her.

Blogger tublecane February 03, 2018 3:28 PM  

@34-Wait, I have one reason to disbelieve her: this was a multi-million dollar two-movie project. Of which she was supposed to be the star. I don't know how much was "in the can" by that point, but even if it was Day One, they're putting the entire franchise at risk for an assassination plot?

Not that they're too smart to shoot themselves in the feet, and maybe they thought they'd never have that much control again. But you'd think there'd be less financially risky ways to off her.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 03, 2018 3:31 PM  

Things brought up by others that are irrelevant:

-Uma can't drive. Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the intent of those trying to hurt her.

-Things Uma's done in the past (or afterward) to further her career: She might still be marked. A prostitute can still be sexually assaulted, for instance.

-Uma's intelligence or lack thereof:
If someone talks an idiot into doing something dangerous enough to injury themselves or worse, does that change the fact that the perpetrator wanted to hurt the victim? Does it absolve the perpetrator of guilt?

Anonymous kfg February 03, 2018 3:31 PM  

I can't say what went on, because I wasn't there and didn't drive that car, but I do know my own experience.

I learned to drive in the Green Mountains and Adirondacks, on 10% grade roads that were dirt in the summer, mud in the spring and fall, ice and snow feet deep in the winter. Then I did it again on a motorcycle for couple of years. A bit older and I drove formula cars to their limits.

And I have never been so terrified, because unable to control the vehicle, as I was driving down a straight, flat, paved road in an old VW with wonky steering.

Make of that what you will.

Blogger tublecane February 03, 2018 3:34 PM  

@7-But is it the correct footage? And was that extra footage shot before or after this scene?

Lets say they had enough to release the movies with Uma Thurman dead in that crash. There might remain a bit of a PR problem. What fun marketing potential! "We let our lead actress die, whoops, but it's still a 'kill'-er picture. Sorry, was that in poor taste?"

Blogger Silly but True February 03, 2018 3:39 PM  

"I had no idea that there was such a rift between Thurman and Tarantino."


Anonymous kfg February 03, 2018 3:43 PM  


See The Crow and The Twilight Zone Movie.

Different scenario, but I note that The Fearless Vampire Killers still makes money, because, you know.

Death does not necessarily kill business.

Blogger Glaivester February 03, 2018 3:47 PM  

This is happening because they did not throw the book at John Landis after his indifference to laws and safety killed Vic Morrow and two kids.

Blogger tublecane February 03, 2018 3:56 PM  

@40-No, not necessarily. But the three people who died on the Twilight Zone set weren't stars, and Brandon Lee was not of Uma Thurman's stature. Moreover, Thurman is a woman, and the public would feel more protective of her.

Granted, two of the Twilight Zone deaths were children. But they weren't stars. If Little Michael Jackson or Shirley Temple had been in that helicopter, there would have been hell to pay.

Blogger Gary February 03, 2018 3:58 PM  

This actress was an adulteress and a whore.
She should have been stoned to death at her first offence.
It's no wonder producers tried it on with her, they knew she was a whore too.

White-knighting for ageing ugly bitter whores is not the way to save the West.

Blogger Tino February 03, 2018 4:14 PM  

@43 Thankfully you are not in charge. This was attempted murder and should be followed-up as such by competent authority. At the very least she needs to sue in civil court for having been endangered with possibility of great bodily harm and death. $$$$!

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 03, 2018 5:36 PM  



I grew up and I too learned to drive in and around the Adirondacks.

Anonymous kfg February 03, 2018 6:32 PM  

Adiredneckers unite, and remember Fort Ti!

Blogger Thot February 03, 2018 6:42 PM  

I guess it's what you are used to. I grew up learning to drive on back country roads, dirt and gravel. 40mph ain't shit.

Blogger Gary February 03, 2018 6:44 PM  

Oh, those aren't my rules, they're Jehovah's, God of the Christian bible.

And He's always in charge.

Hence this actress whingeing about men, when she's an actual whore and adulteress is laughable. And you and others white-knighting for her and others like her is plain wrong.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 03, 2018 6:46 PM  

Adiredneckers! lol. Fort Ti! Indeed. My mom's family has been here since the French and Indian war. I've still got a lot family in Newcomb, Tahawus, Minerva, Hadley, Peru, Stony Creek and Glens Falls.

Mom has a YYYUGE family.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 03, 2018 7:09 PM  

A converted automatic that's already faulty and doesn't have a bolted seat to be driven with a fishtailing camera rig isn't a stunt vehicle.

Its a death trap.

What the hell is wrong with you morons attacking the victim? It doesn't matter if she is a bad driver or not. In fact, if she's a bad driver, her employer is even MORE culpable in forcing her to drive.

Anonymous kfg February 03, 2018 7:24 PM  


Yes, it doesn't matter what her personal limit was, no matter how crap. It matters that she knew what they were and said so.

Know your limits and respect them. Better to be pointed and giggled at by 12 than carried by 6 for no good reason.


And I got my first sailing lessons on Lake Luzerne.

Blogger Allen Skeens February 03, 2018 8:21 PM  

The karman ghia was a rear engine car ad well.

Anonymous BBGKB February 03, 2018 9:26 PM  

Lawyer who said Superbowl rigged shot dead.

If it was a soft sand road, I could see 40 mph being dangerously fast.

Soft sand, Mexican road, bad tires, bad Mexican mechanic that converted it to automatic. 40mph is pretty fast on an ATV.

actress? How would this benefit Tarantino and the studio?

Jewish lightning is when insurance pays out more for failures. Pharmacists not being able to concealed carry by chains that carry life insurance on them lets THEM get away with less security measures. If they had enough footage to put together the movie, it might get more as her last.

Blogger Jeff February 03, 2018 10:18 PM  

Actors who strip for the camera are little better than prostitutes. Actors, male and female, will perform sexual favors for parts. Actors lie for a living. A vile industry.

Blogger Technomad February 03, 2018 10:55 PM  

I've driven for forty years or so, almost always in Midwestern conditions, which means plenty of snow and ice and sub-optimal roads. In Thurman's shoes, I might have been able to pull that drive off. However, I would say Tarantino was at least criminally negligent; no different from forcing Thurman to ride an unbroken bronco. He did not know how good or bad a driver Thurman was, and from the description, that car was not road-safe anyway.

Anonymous GodEmperorMemes February 04, 2018 1:52 AM  

I just find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone, ever, would want to sexually harass Uma Thurman. - She is UGLY!

Blogger Koanic February 04, 2018 2:46 AM  

It's Idiocracy and this whore should be in jail for failure to put out.

Anonymous rienzi February 04, 2018 5:16 AM  

I actually owned a '70 Karmann-Ghia for several years back in the day. Never drove it on gravel, but Midwestern icy winter roads were a real white-knuckle experience. Hideous brakes. If Thurman's driver seat wasn't bolted down, the car would have been almost impossible to drive under any circumstances.

Blogger dvdivx February 04, 2018 7:51 PM  

For those saying they could have done that - lol. This is a Karmann-Ghia not a car made for the gravel racing circuit. Having an untrained driver going down a gravel logging road at 40 is nuts. Having them do it driving a Karmann-Ghia is criminal level stupidity.

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