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Monday, February 05, 2018

Celebrated creeps and criminals

I had no doubt whatsoever that one of the major figures of science fiction fandom and Lifetime Member of SFWA, Forrest Ackerman, was a seriously creepy pervert who preyed upon any young women foolish enough to hang around that environment. The way the man named "Uncle Forry" used to publicly drool over a young cosplayer named Heidi Saha should have sufficed to lock him up and instigate a multi-agency crime scene investigation of his garage, basement, and garden. But now there is eyewitness evidence that "Mr. Science Fiction" was exactly the creepy molester he appeared to be, courtesy of one Lucy Chase Williams, who posted this indictment of the man last week.
I and other young women like me were subjected to a different kind of "Forry worship." How differently would any of you have felt, when all you wanted was to talk about monsters with the "over eager editor" of your favorite monster magazine, if your Uncle Forry had forced wet kisses on you? If he had put his hands all over you, pinching your "naughty bottom" and squeezing your "boobies"? If he had enthusiastically related with a big grin how he wanted to strip off your clothes with everybody watching?

And if, in the face of your total refusal of any of his attentions every single time you saw him in person, he never didn't try again, and again, and again? And if for years, in between those times, he mailed you letters with pornographic photos, and original stories about how naughty you were, and how he wanted to hurt and abuse you, yet all the while make you weep and beg for more? And if he continued that behavior, despite written and verbal demands to cease, entirely unabashed for more than two decades?

No, I can't forget him either -- or how he turned my childhood love of monsters into something adult and truly monstrous.
I'm not sure what is more appalling, the fact that so many of the famous figures of the recent science fiction past were deviants and sex criminals or the fact that the current science fiction community still resolutely refuses to stop celebrating them or to root out the deviants and sex criminals currently in their midst.

Like Marion Zimmer Bradley, Forrest Ackerman is still celebrated by the SFWA as well as the freaks of science fiction fandom.

UPDATE: Beyond creepy. "Obsessed" doesn't even begin to describe it.
AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY OF HEIDI SAHA was assembled by Forry Ackerman and sent off to the printer prior to Heidi's summer 1973 appearances as Vampirella at the New York Comic Art Convention and TorCon 2.
She was 14 years old.

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Blogger R Doom February 05, 2018 11:07 AM  

Well, she says he mailed her some pretty incriminating stuff, so I'm sure she (and hopefully others) will be providing that evidence in short order.

Blogger Silly but True February 05, 2018 11:12 AM  

http://globalwahrman.blogspot.com/2012/11/my-afternoon-with-forrest-and-wendy.html?m=1

"...It is almost certain that Wendy and I were related. Its a very unusual name. Associated with a specific intellectual (jewish) elite of Europe..."

Blogger Anno Ruse February 05, 2018 11:30 AM  

What always amazes me about the perverts is not that they're perverts, it's how brazen they are about it. You'd think at SOME point the girls saying no would give you pause and make you reconsider your behavior.

Anonymous Iacobus February 05, 2018 11:33 AM  

It's kind of hilarious watching his fans come to his defense with, "I didn't see anything and I was there." They don't like it when you mess with their gods, do they?

Anonymous DaveInjustice February 05, 2018 11:39 AM  

I hope he's been named SFWA Grandmaster at this point. Grandmaster Flash has such a nice ring to it

Anonymous VFM #3606 February 05, 2018 11:42 AM  

"Thank you for raising us so well," said the orphans.

Blogger TrueBag PipeRock February 05, 2018 11:45 AM  

Watched Altered Carbon recently. Started off great and got kinkier until snuff porn in the show. First six episodes were good, but by the time I finished the season, I actually regretted even watching it.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope February 05, 2018 11:47 AM  

wasn't he the basis for one of Philip Jose Farmer's characters?

Anonymous Looking Glass February 05, 2018 11:50 AM  

Post-Pulp SF is to perverted writers as Plato is to Gamma Philosophers.

Blogger Bullitt315 February 05, 2018 11:54 AM  

Watched Altered Carbon recently. Started off great and got kinkier until snuff porn in the show. First six episodes were good, but by the time I finished the season, I actually regretted even watching it.

Same. It got weird fast.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 05, 2018 11:54 AM  

I am deeply grateful that people with children no longer attend WorldCon.

Admittedly that is only because WorldCon attendees are pretty much all past their child baring years.

But still I'm grateful.

Anonymous CPEG February 05, 2018 11:55 AM  

"What always amazes me about the perverts is not that they're perverts, it's how brazen they are about it. You'd think at SOME point the girls saying no would give you pause and make you reconsider your behavior."

Then they would have to admit to themselves that a large number of the girls they are interested in are severely displeased by them. The deceitful freaks manage the pain of reality through delusion. They tell themselves that people like them, that the girls are playing hard to get, that "they're just joking," whatever it takes. The lies don't even have to be plausible. The only requirement is that as fast as they think up objections to their behavior, as fast as they internally criticize their own lies, they think up delusional counterarguments.

Anonymous Viiidad February 05, 2018 11:57 AM  

"all past their child baring years"

Breenian slip?

Blogger VD February 05, 2018 12:00 PM  

You'd think at SOME point the girls saying no would give you pause and make you reconsider your behavior.

That's why they are gammas and SJWs. They live in their delusion bubbles. That over-the-top, flowery, gentleman romantic language is a reliable tell.

Blogger pyrrhus February 05, 2018 12:00 PM  

I've been reading SF since I was 8, and never heard of this guy...Why hasn't he been arrested for stalking?

Anonymous Iacobus February 05, 2018 12:11 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:I've been reading SF since I was 8, and never heard of this guy...Why hasn't he been arrested for stalking?

Apparently, the women involved don't like the attention it brings. (Accusations of lying, etc.)

If it were me, his ass would've been afraid to come out of his house for fear of retribution, but then again, I'm a guy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 05, 2018 12:14 PM  

@Vox

Question, oh Dark Lord; is it time for us to stop participating in the Hugo Awards?

Honestly, we appear to be interfering in a process where child molesters and lesser perverts give each other awards for what is at this point third rate SJW fan fiction.

Sure, the Hugo is the shiniest turd in their sewer but ultimately it's their sewer.

Do we even want to get close to touching it?

At this point there is a considerable amount of guilt by association if you win one.

Blogger VD February 05, 2018 12:26 PM  

That's something we'll have to discuss on Brainstorm soon.

Anonymous Krymneth February 05, 2018 12:44 PM  

The SFWA better be careful. Forget the threat from Cox, it's the #metoo movement they'd best be careful about. They're falling behind the left talking points, and we all know where that can lead. Are they lining themselves up a place at the Autophagy Diner?

Anonymous Davvyd February 05, 2018 12:48 PM  

@15 He's been dead for 10 years. He was best know for the magazine Famous Monsters of Filmland.

Anonymous Nathan February 05, 2018 12:48 PM  

Third rate fanfic? Look at last year's voted for Related Work. Proper can fix getting a Hugo is only a year or so away.

Blogger The Kurgan February 05, 2018 12:50 PM  

On topic.
The dark ninja of mockery and I have produced something everyone should read. Making a horrific topic as "funny" at the expense of the monsters as possible.

The price is symbolic as we couldn't make it free

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0190U672U?ref_=dbs_s_def_awm_dirs_l_0&storeType=ebooks

Anonymous LurkingPuppy February 05, 2018 12:53 PM  

Krymneth wrote:The SFWA better be careful. Forget the threat from Cox, it's the #metoo movement they'd best be careful about.
Clearly you've never seen their photos.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy February 05, 2018 1:00 PM  

Um. I mean, the ladies of SFWA aren't going to be #metoo-ing anyone.

Anonymous six pan February 05, 2018 1:16 PM  

"child baring years."

I see what you did there.

Blogger The Aardvark February 05, 2018 1:32 PM  

Look at everyone near Heidi Saha in that picture. That's as close to loveliness as these overfed losers will ever get, except in their fever-fueled fantasies. Ackerman pushed the envelope, to (hopefully) no avail.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit February 05, 2018 1:33 PM  

The Kurgan wrote:The price is symbolic as we couldn't make it free

For info: if you make it available for free on another platform like "Smashwords" then get people to inform Amazon they will price match. (not that there's anything wrong with being paid for your work in the first place)

Anonymous Philalethes February 05, 2018 1:47 PM  

I went to the link and read the thread to the bottom of the first page, where I found… an ad featuring attractive young women (torsos only) in sexy, revealing clothing which, as is the norm nowadays, left little to the imagination. (Reloading the page replaced it with a different ad, apparently from a Google service; thus YMMV.)

I'm sorry, but I had to laugh. As always, they want it both ways: a culture in which the sexual noise level is routinely deafening and they can compete without restraint to see who can drive men most crazy with desire, but also a "safe space" wherein they can play with fire but never get burned.

And meanwhile Fifty Shades of Grey remains second only to the Bible as the all-time bestseller.

Of course I'm sorry that these young women (?) were mistreated, but… what's this fascination with monsters, anyway? Yet somehow the monsters are supposed to be perfect "gentlemen"? The real Big Secret is the feral nature of the female id, once the restraints imposed by the horrible Patriarchy have been removed.

(Most mammals' sexual signals are olfactory, while birds' are sonic. In primates, they're visual – e.g. the swollen genital region of the female chimpanzee in heat, and the impractically swollen mammaries of the human female, who, as my 1962 anthropology professor put it, are "always in heat". Which makes sex a real problem for our species, as there's never any respite. Different cultures have tried different ways of putting some kind of lid on it – e.g. the infamous burqa of conservative Islam – but ours seems to have opted for total license. With predictable results. Anyway, I'm amazed sometimes to see how much skin women seem to feel required to bare, even in midwinter. If human sexual signals were sonic, you literally couldn't hear yourself think in America today.)

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 05, 2018 1:52 PM  

@25

Oops, that was an unintentional adjective.

I type faster than I can spell.

Anonymous Pale male February 05, 2018 1:58 PM  

Bullitt315 wrote:It got weird fast.
TBH, so did the book.  It explores the implications of a radical expansion of the limits of human consciousness, there's no way it's NOT going to look weird from our perspective.  That's what good SF is supposed to do.

@28 Likely excuse.

Blogger Thucydides February 05, 2018 2:02 PM  

I hope there is some physical evidence that was retained (even though any young woman would likely want to get rid of such disgusting stuff ASAP). The real issue is without evidence it rapidly devolves to a "he said/she said" situation which cannot be resolved and may well be ignored.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 05, 2018 2:12 PM  

"That over-the-top, flowery, gentleman romantic language is a reliable tell."

Every single time, even when not talking to prey (I think) stuff like "Salutations and saludos.." mixing up languages and even throwing in Latin phrases, or use of "libations" instead of drinks, whatever, eventually some sexual perversion or activity surfaces.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning February 05, 2018 2:14 PM  

Whups, here's another creepy pic. Notice how he autographed it, especially the "J".

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b015edd98da198853b4a7077189a1372/tumblr_mp62mbl1u41rd5rz4o1_500.jpg

Blogger Michael Buck February 05, 2018 2:24 PM  

At least Forry liked women. I wonder when similar outrage will be directed toward Trannies and Homos, who are far more perverse and dangerous nutjobs but whose delusions we eagerly enable by celebrating their "specialness"..

Blogger VFM #7634 February 05, 2018 2:27 PM  

"What always amazes me about the perverts is not that they're perverts, it's how brazen they are about it. You'd think at SOME point the girls saying no would give you pause and make you reconsider your behavior."

@3 Anno Ruse
Well, they are perverts after all. Normal people stop doing something if bad things happen when they do.

"The deceitful freaks manage the pain of reality through delusion. They tell themselves that people like them, that the girls are playing hard to get, that "they're just joking," whatever it takes."

@12 CPEG
Right. But it has to be continually reiterated to low-ranked males, and especially Gammas: Avoiding eye contact and running away, particularly when she wasn't doing so before, isn't playing hard to get. That's an indication the dude turned her off, bigly.

Anonymous GodEmperorMemes February 05, 2018 2:29 PM  

lolol

Blogger Quilp February 05, 2018 2:31 PM  

Damn it, I just got started on Altered Carbon.

Blogger SouthRon February 05, 2018 2:34 PM  

Yes to Brainstorm. One book alone could make it worth participating.

Anonymous Alsos February 05, 2018 2:38 PM  

Didn't HP Lovecraft insert him into "In the Walls of Eryx" as a "creeping ackman"?

In the 1930s?

Anonymous Iacobus February 05, 2018 2:48 PM  

Alsos wrote:Didn't HP Lovecraft insert him into "In the Walls of Eryx" as a "creeping ackman"?

In the 1930s?



Heh. xD

Yeah, they're too busy tearing down Lovecraft because he be so racist, dincha know?

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 05, 2018 2:56 PM  

Michael Buck wrote:At least Forry liked women..."

So sure, are you?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 05, 2018 3:08 PM  

Great Grandmother would say if a girl doesn't want to be drooled over, she shouldn't dress like a party treat.

Not excusing any harassment or other bad behavior, but that woman wasn't asking to be looked & leered at, she was demanding it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 05, 2018 3:12 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Great Grandmother would say if a girl doesn't want to be drooled over, she shouldn't dress like a party treat.

Not excusing any harassment or other bad behavior, but that woman wasn't asking to be looked & leered at, she was demanding it.


She was thirteen.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 05, 2018 3:24 PM  

She was eleven when "Uncle Forry" first presented her in photos. Shut the hell up Paradigm.

Heidi Saha

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 05, 2018 3:29 PM  

@41 Cataline Sergius

She was thirteen

This source says 14, for what that's worth:

http://vampilore.co.uk/models/saha_heidi.html

There's a picture of her supposedly waiting for an elevator. She is looking like a very uncomfortable teenaged girl. Duh.

What was she doing there in that costume? Well, apparently her father was a moron. Or a perve. Or both.

As Art Saha was a President of the New York Science Fiction Society and President of First Fandom it is no surprise that she should accompany him to the 1973 Comic Art Convention.

Dressed as Vampirella. Sure. "No surprise" unless you are a normal father. Then "surprise" is too mild.

There's no excuse for allowing a minor to dress like that. Ten times worse to encourage it.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 05, 2018 3:36 PM  

They were dressing as a character Vampirella.
Which at 13 seems kind of crazy but oh well.

Anonymous Matvei Daniilovich February 05, 2018 4:15 PM  

I have to agree with Paradigm here. A failure of male authority allowing your daughter to leave the house dressed as Vampirella.

Anonymous Spammed February 05, 2018 4:24 PM  

Paradime is right. A quick google search for images on that "Chase" woman will SHOW you everything you need to know. Top row, she's reading a magazine when she was younger. I'm sorry but that is no way for a lady to sit when wearing a mini-skirt! I have no respect for women like her. They provoke men then play innocent. Yes, they're asking for it and you can wine all you want and blame those who point out the basic facts, the facts remain. It's not about blaming the victim. This woman is no victim, just a volunteer. Just like I don't condonne burglars, I still have no respect for people who leave their car door unlocked (or open, in this case) and the engine running. Or your front door, then brag on facebook about all you own and then post when you're going out of town. You deserve everything you get.

These women know exactly what they're doing. THEY ALONE are the reason why other women get raped. It needs to be said.

While men are responsible for their bodies and reactions, it's a given this world is filled with pervs and criminals. And you cannot expect a perv to act like a decent guy!

Perverts will see cheap floozy's like her, get aroused, then grab the nearest woman to assault.

Then the floozy will be fake outraged, crying out to the world that we're "blaming the victim", crying about feminism and she should dress however she pleases. You can dress however you please, Ms Chase, just don't come crying later. YOU PLAY, YOU PAY.

If you're such a feminist, your first responsibility is to protect other women. Use your brain. Pervs are men who can't or don't or won't control their body's. If you wear a mini skirt then don't go flashing your ass and your cooch. And if you do, as there's photo evidence at our fingertips, then your argument is nil and invalidated.

Miss Chase, you cannot control anyone else but yourself. You cannot demand that every guy be decent and controls his erection that YOU alone provoked. So please don't go crying wolf. THINK before you act, before you provoke, before you dress and act like a floozy.

Was it fun for you to piss off other women parading what your mama gave you in front of their boyfriend's and husband's? Was it worth it? Did you expect you would only attract handsome men, weather married or single? So you got a fat old perv. harassing you for years. Serves you right.

While you pretend to be outraged by the truth I just posted, THINK about the women who got raped directly because of YOUR ignorant actions, Ms. Chase! THEY did NOTHING to deserve it, unlike YOU!! YOU and women like you bear the guilt. Live and learn!

A permissive society that allows women to dress and act like ho's in public doesn't help women. Only men, pervs and rapists. If all women self policed accordingly, the crime rate of sexual assaults against women would greatly diminish. It's time to hold these women responsible!

This is what they're now understanding in Europe. If it takes women to get assaulted to learn to dress like a lady so be it. I just hope it happens to these provocative types and not the truly innocent, assaulted by proxy. Ms Chase is not among the 2nd group. Her guilt isn't misplaced here and so called "feminist" men need to stop rallying to defend these ho's and instead support the innocent women, who TRULY didn't ask for it, who didn't dress like a ho and yet who are assaulted because of these types like Ms Chase and so many like her!

These women/floozy's are nothing but agents provocators of the worst kind and their are hurting other women. They may just as well have raped them themselves! It needs to be said.

Blogger Danby February 05, 2018 4:26 PM  

@Spammed
Gamma much?

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 5:13 PM  

@47:

How is either advocating the concept of female modesty or the fact that if women are truly to equal to men, they have moral agency and responsibility for their actions 'gamma'?


Blogger VD February 05, 2018 5:28 PM  

How is either advocating the concept of female modesty or the fact that if women are truly to equal to men, they have moral agency and responsibility for their actions 'gamma'?

He's attacking female children. Who but a gamma would ever consider a girl to be truly equal to adult men?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab February 05, 2018 6:04 PM  

@49 Vox don't know what brings these perverts out but every time this subject comes up they swarm on unz.

They all have the same lines about agency and empowerment and how society is just trying to keep physically mature almost adults, from the natural love they're due. Some have websites devoted to it.

Blogger Akulkis February 05, 2018 6:21 PM  

Cosplayers are just as much a part of the problem as other volunteer victims.

Does anyone have the RIGHT to flash a huge wad of cash or other easily stolen valuables in a bad neighborhood, without getting harmed or robbed in any way? OF course.

On the other hand, if someone gets mugged doing such a thing, your first instinctive response is: "What an idiot."

That being said, Forrest Ackerman's headstone should be replaced with a urinal. And perhaps it's time to rethink the prohibition on Bills of Attainder -- a Bill of Attainder does not need to apply only to relatives of notorious individuals; they can apply to voluntary associations, too.

Top on my list for action if the Bill of Attainder prohibition is ever removed from the Constitution:

SPLC

ADL

The New York Times

The leadership, down to shop stewards, of all public employees unions, including police.

News departments of CNN / ABC / CBS / NBC / MSNBC (for decades of sedition).

Executives of all major Hollywood and television production studios.

The United Way
The Ford Foundation
The Tides Foundation
Any other organization which receives money from George Soros, outside of, or over and above retail purchases and utility payments.

Trump's asset freeze EO should be doing a lot of the last one.

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 6:24 PM  

> She was 14 years old.

And her parents let her appear in public dressed as Vampirella.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y8e7MQ6G628/VYlsxb_tl1I/AAAAAAAABgA/icApx3AQQ9U/s1600/heidisaha003.jpg

Anonymous Cyclone Bob February 05, 2018 6:26 PM  

he turned my love of monsters into something truly monstrous

"I went to CoS to innocently worship Satan, and then they tied me to an altar and poured blood on me. That was SO not okay. 30 years ago."


Damsels in distress, my ass. They loved evil and the attention evil paid them, and they went back for more and more. Shoulda played Barbie or baked cookies instead.

Anonymous Philalethes February 05, 2018 6:29 PM  

He's attacking female children. Who but a gamma would ever consider a girl to be truly equal to adult men?

Guess it depends on your definitions of "child" and "adult". Cannot 14 year old girls now get contraception at school without their parents knowing? Logically they can't have it both ways, though they certainly do in our present culture. Which is, not coincidentally, collapsing.

Certainly Heidi Saha at 11 was a child (and I don't recall reading that Ackerman or any other monster "attacked" her then), but Heidi at 14 was a rather different, er, whatever, especially in this costume, which is very strategically designed to draw attention to her rapidly developing charms.

For most of human history, a female at this point of development would be considered past the threshold of marriageability. Of course, in those contexts women of any age would not be considered "equal" to men – among whose responsibilities would be to protect them from predators, not offer them up as meat. (Don't know where Art Saha was in this, but I note in another article that at least one fan writer of the time was critical of her mother for turning her out like that. Certainly not the first time that has happened.) Our modern simple binary child/adult concept doesn't really work, if you want to have a sane, functional culture.

Certainly @46 displays a considerable amount of gamma frustration, but still he has a point. As for complainer Lucy Chase Williams, looks like she was about 17 when this photo (scroll down) was taken. I've always felt, if the merchandise is not for sale, why is it being advertised so aggressively? (I note that this photo was supplied by the subject.)

Otoh, if Ackerman had been a real monster, i.e. an Alpha bad boy of the type females seem to love – rather than an icky gamma himself – I wonder if we'd be hearing these complaints now?

Anonymous Marvin Boggs February 05, 2018 6:32 PM  

Disclaimer: I am not a parent.

Where were the parents? My parents would certainly not have allowed any of their children to be put in such a situation. I cannot begin to fathom what these parents were thinking. This whole concept is so thoroughly alien to my background that I really don't know how to respond (other than sharpen my hunting knife).

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 05, 2018 6:39 PM  

@46 Spammed

Dude, you're wack. These pix of Heidi Saha are from when she was 14. In the US that's 8th or 9th grade. Old enough to maybe date, but not old enough to hang out with grown men dressed like a stripper.

She was 14. Not like some 30 year old pussyhat wearing slutwalker, not like some women's study major who snapchats her slutty selfies in between ranting about patriarchy and male gaze.

Dude, her own parents were grooming her for something or other. Maybe they were angling for Hollywood? I dunno, but no way she should have been cosplaying like that at 14. I can't tell if you are a Boomertard or a socially retarded neckbeard or what, but get a grip; there's a world of diff between 14 and 24.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 05, 2018 6:49 PM  

@54 Philalethes
For most of human history, a female at this point of development would be considered past the threshold of marriageability.

Depending on time and place. Within the Hajnal line the age of women at marriage was around 20 to 24 for centuries. Part of the plot of Romeo & Juliet centers around "too young"; Juliet is 14.

Barbarians like the Irish or Scythians were different. But the US is still more Hajnal genetic line than barbarian so average age for women to marry has been over 20 for years. Now the average age of US women at their first marriage is now 27 and going up.

Plus this whole line of "old enough to breed, old enough to marry" is stupidly creepy now for reasons, it's like cartoon hillbilly stuff. Reconsider, dude.

Anonymous 4E-Lucy same difference! February 05, 2018 6:57 PM  

The tapatalk Burgomaster is fuming that he doesn't get to delete the comments here! Everybody been sucking Lucy teat over there as if she was a real victim (LOL!), as if she bore no responsibility, as if they hadn't all seen that eye popping pic, as if they're such cool feminist men for supporting her in her right to dress like a skanky ho and suffer no consequences for she bears no responsibilty for her men manipulating and whorish ways.

Now that Lucy's old and post-menopausal, she's found a new way to get the male attention that she's still craving, playing the sanctimonious "rise above the ALLEGED assaults" because, wait for it, she's keeping all/some of her FM mags. That's so sweet! Look everyone, she's the bigger person! Let me go get my violin. All the feminist men clap. Some even she a tear.

I'll wait for her to pipe in again (here? there?) and claim "see? this is why women don't report!" Please, bitch! She's a writer. She's found a different card to play. From whore to born again virgin. She's riding the coattails of all the #metoo Weinstein whores who like to play Mother Teresa, starting with Rose "buttnaked under a chain link gown" McGowan and who took the payola to keep quiet, enabling the perv and ensuring plenty more women got raped.

Let's recap: Lucy never said she was raped. Lucy said she was mailed alleged porn photos that she has no intention on ever sharing but she made sure to keep the stash "I don't know why", she said. I think you do Lucy!

And all the tapatalk feminist men are acting outraged about 4E keeping a stash of porn as if they didn't download/watch porn daily on the very screen their sanctimonious selves are ranting. It's just a bandwagon of "who's the most virtue signalling of them all". Lucy for her forgiveness or the feminist men for being such "cool kids" in spite of now pushing 70.

I wonder what will be said of YOU, tapatalk feminist fools, after you're dead! Who are YOU assaulting and harassing? Methinks they protest way too much!

Anonymous Spammed February 05, 2018 7:03 PM  

@56 Cool off and keep up, would you! Who is talking about Heidi? No idea who that is!

Get your numbers and users straight: I said the CHASE WOMAN (that's her 2nd name!) is showing her cooch wearing a mini skirt and reading a mag... AS IN LUCY CHASE WILLIAMS! the Forry accuser.

Google her the pic was linked here. So again chill the fuck out and take your pedo rant to whoever is talking about the kid. I didn't mention no 12 or 14 yr old. And quit assuming the rest, to which I won't respond.

Anonymous Spammed February 05, 2018 7:18 PM  

@54 Speak English: what the fuck do you mean by "gamma"?? That's not even on Google

And yeah, Lucy aka the CHASE woman (how appropriate!) has piped over there in outrage. Her shtick won't work here!

Blogger VD February 05, 2018 7:40 PM  

Speak English: what the fuck do you mean by "gamma"?? That's not even on Google.

You. Your attitudes, behavior, and emotional incontinence are indicative of your being an unattractive, low-status male of limited sexual options. In other words, Gamma.

Anonymous Philalethes February 05, 2018 7:43 PM  

Speak English: what the fuck do you mean by "gamma"??

The gutter language is not appreciated; nevertheless I'll offer some tips for your edification, as apparently you haven't been here before. (1) See the search box at the upper left; there have been many discussions of the term "gamma". (2) For background, see here.

Here's another tip: If you feel insulted by some remarking that you sound like a gamma, that's a major gamma tell.

Having been in the gamma space with females most of my life, I can certainly sympathize with the frustration, and I don't want to be hard on you. But there's no avoiding it: if you're in the gamma space, you can either continue suffering, or take an honest inventory of yourself, and resolve to change the mental habits that keep you in that space. Not easy, but what do you have to lose? Only your chains.

Anonymous VFM #3606 February 05, 2018 7:56 PM  

She was eleven when she was first published by the predator, wearing modest clothing, you sick or retarded gammas. Connect the dots if you are capable.

Or is not pedophilia if you have the decency to groom the children first?

I hope you are really that ignorant and not that twisted.

Anonymous BB753 February 05, 2018 7:57 PM  

Where were Heidi's parents the whole time this happened? She was a minor, after all!

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 05, 2018 7:59 PM  

BB753 wrote:Where were Heidi's parents the whole time this happened? She was a minor, after all!

Her mother made the costume. Apparently she was very proud of the bat.

Blogger bob kek mando February 05, 2018 7:59 PM  

as one would expect, Heidi's mother was creepier than all the Con Gamma's combined:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/428096-an-illustrated-history-of-heidi-saha/

"I witnessed the following up close:

"Emanuel Maris:
Heidi's mom physically dragged an on-the-verge-of-tears Heidi into this reception, along with a cassette boom-box, which she turned on and nastily (sic) ordered Heidi to pirouette around the room. Heidi refused. Her mom got louder and nastier. Heidi again refused and started crying. Her mom then slapped her hard.
"

Blogger bob kek mando February 05, 2018 8:01 PM  

"She knew (or hoped) her parents (mother and weak father) would never do this to her again."

Blogger JACIII February 05, 2018 8:07 PM  

BB753 wrote:Where were Heidi's parents the whole time this happened? She was a minor, after all!

She was intent on whoring her daughter for some sort of perceived personal or social advancement. As was her father. The sicko runs deep. The children can in no way depend on their parents, whose primary function it is, to protect them.

Watch this "creepy Joe Biden" video to see parents allowing their children to be pawed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoLHn577xIE&t=612s

Anonymous Alexandru Constantin February 05, 2018 8:18 PM  

Man this is some prime GAMMA action on display. A young woman between 13-20 is in the most dangerous and foundational phase of life. This is exactly where good fathers have to step in and raise proper women by being rolemodels and leaders not tyrants and creeps. This girl was obviously failed by all men who were responsible for her. I think that a lot of SJW nonsense was due to the failure of men properly teaching their daughters. I would bet that behind every purple haired lesbian you have a weak, absent, or pervert father.

Anonymous Philalethes February 05, 2018 8:22 PM  

Her mother made the costume.

Well, actually, no; her mother had made previous costumes, but…

As it turns out, the costume was made by Perdida Boardman.  She and her husband were friends of the Sahas, and Taimi, usually the proud seamstress of Heidi's costumes, asked Perdida to create a more professional looking outfit.

From dim memory, I believe the correct spelling is Perdita. Anyway, if you're really interested, see An Illustrated History of Heidi Saha.

SF/F fandom has always been a gamma environment. Any even moderately attractive female who shows up at fan gatherings will be accorded the attention given a goddess in the "real" world. A heady draught for the female ego, especially one who has not gotten much attention before. Actually rather the inverse of Hollywood, which is drowning in beautiful, desperate women.

Blogger GithYankee February 05, 2018 8:22 PM  

I have to say, I also don't know what a Gamma or these other manosphere terms mean all that well, but if you like a girl, you ask her out. If she says yes, great, if no, then it wasn't meant to be.
If you are grabbing body parts, whispering sexual suggestions, or using some type of blackmail, then you are not a real man. What the girl is wearing, even her age to some extent, is irrelevant because a man controls his own behavior regardless of the external stimuli.

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 8:23 PM  

@51:

I'm with you, excepting I prefer the King Josiah treatment (2 Chronicles 34) as opposed to just replacing the tombstone.

Anonymous Alexandru Constantin February 05, 2018 8:26 PM  

She was intent on whoring her daughter for some sort of perceived personal or social advancement. As was her father. The sicko runs deep. The children can in no way depend on their parents, whose primary function it is, to protect them.

This is what makes me the angriest about stories like this. Parents have a universal duty to protect their children.

Anonymous Spammed February 05, 2018 8:38 PM  

@61 @62 Apologies for language but don't quit your day job as janitors cos you suck at psychic! Wrong on EVERY SINGLE COUNT! Quit ASSuming, you know what that makes YOU!

But what do you expect from people who can't read a simple DETAILED reply!? I said "CHASE WOMAN". When are little girls referred to as "women"? Having now seen her pix, where is she wearing a mini skirt and where is she reading a magazine??

Considering your lack of reading comprehension, and your low self esteem obsession with all things "gamma", I'd say you probably score more like a Zeta.

Back on topic! I made my point earlier. Quit trying to derail the thread by mud slinging & fake attributing wrong posts to people.

If you're gonna insult me, if you're on the side of this ho, at least attack the points I made. You know nothing about me and I'm not here to educate you because this isn't about me, it's about the mini skirt wearing floozy attention ho.

My beef is with WHORES such as this WOMAN who are directly responsible for OTHER women getting raped, women who unlike this worthless ho are INNOCENT of any male provocation for they don't engage in flesh flashing yet they get attacked even though they're dressed conservative modest or like decent women (whichever you prefer to call it).


These women are truly victims & are the ones who deserve male and female support for they NEVER provoked anyone. The CHASE women of the world... pull the other one, it's got brass bells and plays "cry me a river"! These 2nd types of women hate men and perpetrate gender wars. Don't ASSume all women are like these. Just like not all men are pervs & rapists. Or feminist fools.

Hope it's clear now; re-read @46 and quit the crazy-making, aka fake post mix up nonsense, you always knew who I'm talking about since I described and named her and never used the word "Heidi" or "girl" or "12 yr old"!

And if you're still clueless, this is who the blog post i about and here she is, circa time of "assault": https://cranbrookkitchensink.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/sherlock1973.jpg

Blogger Dire Badger February 05, 2018 8:51 PM  

To be fair, what kind of screwed up parent allows their 14 year old to wear a Vampirella costume to a convention?

Anonymous Avalanche February 05, 2018 8:57 PM  

Maybe it's because so many of you are too young enough to have had much (or any) experience back that far, in "the good old days." Back when *I* was 13,14,15 -- my girlfriends and I were INNOCENT!!! We really did NOT think of sex, or about sex, or about men wanting sex! The MEN we knew -- not today's (over?) sexualized males DID not and WOULD not ever take advantage of a young girl -- and 12 and 14 and 15 was YOUNG! We didn't think it was evil and sexual advertising to dress like a TV character! THAT is a new(er) thing. (No one thought it was weird that the women on Star Trek wore miniskirts, because it was NORMAL. Girls were PRETTY, not sexualized!)

A girl like the one shown in the Vampirella costume would NOT have seen it as sexual; nor, likely, would her parents! They could never compass the idea of someone letching after a 14-yr-old, so why would dressing her like a TV character portray SEX?! SHE was still a child! (Can you not see the 'baby fat' she still carries?!)

Nowadays, the chances of keeping a 12-yr-old naive and innocent requires (it seems) living out off the grid! No TV, no movies, no computers, and no books more modern than Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys --WHO you will notice were not at all sexualized!

Because this society has been forced into the sewer, you think that YOUNG girls with good upbringings have the same perversions as adult males formed by this pathological society! BOTH the pervs, and the "nice guys" (the flaming gammas blaming the GIRLS!) have come to see girls (YOUNG girls) as sexual -- when our original White / Euro society used to protect them from that!

Little girls -- and little girls USED to be up until 15 or 16! -- are SUPPOSED to be safe as they practice and playact 'being grownup' -- although most of them do not (or should not!) have any conception of what that means for ADULT women!

Do you not intend to protect YOUR daughters for as long as you POSSIBLY can manage -- to raise them to BE innocent and unaware of the sexual dangers out there, while providing the safety they need to STAY innocent?! Well-raised little girls do NOT realize they are "tempting" pervs! They don't even know what pervs ARE! They FEEL safe, because, as children, they are SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE!! (Have you not read "The Last Closet"?!)

So all this: "letting that 14-yr-old dress like a TV character was evil and proof that she and her parents were disgusting!" No, it's proof of a LESS-pathological time, when good normal people couldn't imagine pervs lusting after *children*! That's a MODERN sickness!

Anonymous Nathan February 05, 2018 9:10 PM  

"The MEN we knew -- not today's (over?) sexualized males DID not and WOULD not ever take advantage of a young girl -- and 12 and 14 and 15 was YOUNG!"

The problem is, so many of science fiction's fans and writers, especially those of the WorldCon crowd, aren't the men--or the women--that you knew. And this vile history stretches back into the 1940s.

Anonymous Avalanche February 05, 2018 9:10 PM  

@67 "Man this is some prime GAMMA action on display.... This is exactly where good fathers have to step in and raise proper women by being rolemodels and leaders"

BRAVO! Thanks you! Yes -- I suppose it's hard, today, for any of you younger folk to IMAGINE a time when the idea of someone wanting sex with a 13-yr-old -- even one in a Vampirella costume -- was UNimaginable! Because y'all have had SO MUCH exposure to sex and porn and sexualized advertisements (where do you think the very IDEA of a sexually attractive 7-yr-old came into being?!), you imagine that young girls and young women have ALSO been so-exposed, and WANT to participate in it!

Do you remember when some clothing maker 'designed' underwear for 5-7-yr old girls that said things like "juicy" across the butt?! (THANKFULLY enough parents raise high-holy hell so it got pulled) -- but NO 5- to 7-yr-old would have ANY idea what the 'subliminal' message was supposed to be...

Do you KNOW any 7-8-9 year old girls? ASK them if they want to kiss boys! Alas, some of them HAVE been sexualized -- by parents allowing them to watch truly inappropriate TV and movies -- but the well-raised ones will still likely say: no, boys are yucky!

A GOOD upbringing by well-meaning but naive parents will result in a naive girl-child even into her teen years! IF all you KNOW is safety, WHY would you think the world is unsafe?! Oh, right: BECAUSE IT DID NOT USED TO BE UNSAFE!! Used to be, a father would beat or kill a man who made an inappropriate 'advance' at his daughter. (Check out that great laser-dot tee-shirts, eh?!)

All this whining and bitching: "the girls are ASKING for it"; "I can't control my erection" (what, are you a moslem?!) "that SHE caused"; "the girls WANT it or they wouldn't dress like" (... you mean, like they were *safe* in public!?)

I don't seem to read much: "these men that hunt for (and take advantage of) young women and girls, and then BLAME the girls for 'inviting it' are NOT men; just un-self-governed-males."

(What's Jordan Peterson say? Sort yourSELF out!)

Anonymous Avalanche February 05, 2018 9:16 PM  

@72 "My beef is with WHORES such as this WOMAN who are directly responsible for OTHER women getting raped, "

Oh my. So, you ARE a moslem! (Or a psychopath!) There is no woman on the planet who is "directly responsible" for other women getting raped (well unless she's a psychopath working WITH a specific rapist! And then she's merely an accessory to the rape, for facilitating the ACTUAL rapist!

From your hysteria, I'm wondering if someone you love was raped -- but blaming OTHER women for the actions of some evil man is not even slightly rational.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 05, 2018 9:26 PM  

You really know how to drag in the gammas a MGTOWs, Vox.

Question is, Why?

Blogger Redpill Angel February 05, 2018 9:40 PM  

74:Avalanche: You're right, most young girls back then had no idea about sexuality or that men would be turned on by them. Nobody believes that a protected girl can be that innocent but it's true. But the Vampirella costume was still too revealing imho, although a two piece bathing suit would have shown more. But bathing suits back then had lining and were made of sturdy knit. BTW, the costume was made by NY fan Perdita Boardman, a friend of Heidi's parents, not Heidi's mom. Surely >they< knew they were throwing Heidi to the wolves! Slightly OT, but when I told my husband "Well, now it's Forry Ackerman," he reminded me that Julius Swartz, the guy who invented Superman back in the 30's, was accused of "inappropriate behavior" with young women when he was an old guy.

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 10:48 PM  

@74:
"even one in a Vampirella costume "

Somewhere in Heaven, Peter and the Apostle Paul are rolling their eyes.

"Because y'all have had SO MUCH exposure to sex and porn and sexualized advertisements..."All this whining and bitching:"

1) To quote a Mormon friend of mine: One look and you are a man. Second look and you are not a missionary.

2) Solomon addresses 'my son' in Proverbs Chapter 1-7, warning him of the seductress.

3) Peter and Paul had a more than a few things to say about female modesty (1 Timothy 2:9, 1 Peter 3:3-4, among others)

4)I'll let Saint John Chrysostom take over:

“You carry your snare everywhere and spread your nets in all places. You allege that you never invited others to sin. You did not, indeed, by your words, but you have done so by your dress and your deportment. … When you have made another sin in his heart, how can you be innocent? Tell me, whom does this world condemn? Whom do judges punish? Those who drink poison or those who prepare it and administer the fatal potion? You have prepared the abominable cup, you have given the death dealing drink, and you are more criminal than are those who poison the body; you murder not the body but the soul. And it is not to enemies you do this, nor are you urged on by any imaginary necessity, nor provoked by injury, but out of foolish vanity and pride.”

5) Jesus himself in Luke 17:1

6) Paul in Romans 14

@78:

I can't speak for the others, but I am involved with a beautiful young lady who wants at least 3 kids (or what ever God gives, her words).

And, God willing, it will be a cold day in Hell before I bring her to the US.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope February 05, 2018 11:02 PM  

Not gamma.
Omega.

Blogger Alexandru Constantin February 05, 2018 11:12 PM  

@80 holy fuck the level of discourse here has gone down the drain. Not only do you come off as a sanctimonious gamma but a stupid dense one at that. Just because you cloak your nonsense in scripture doesn't make it any less nonsense.

Are you missing the fucking clear signs of grooming going on? The fact that these evil perverts had her in their clasps before she was even 12, grooming her.. Of course she acted like a temptress because that's what she was thought by the very people that were supposed to teach and protect her.

Does it feel good referring to preteen girls, who were most likely groomed and abused by their parents, in a known den of pedophiles, as whores? You are the reason shit like this happens man.. sanctimonious twats that act like because they bought some Philipino hooker for a green card they are all manly men.

Blogger wreckage February 05, 2018 11:58 PM  

@76 girls want to wear whatever they perceive as high status, "pretty", older girls wear, as a general rule. If they're into comics that will mean spandex. That doesn't mean they want some old dude to screw them.


Anonymous Anonymous February 06, 2018 12:04 AM  

@82:

"Not only do you come off as a sanctimonious gamma"

1) I'm more of a reformed omega who, if it was not for God, would be probably be dead, and who is very much aware of the darkness that is contained within.

2) You and others come off as sanctimonious white-knights who think two X chromosomes make one holy and pure. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory.

3) I have literally faced the choice of obeying God versus obeying my parents. That is not a choice I would wish on anyone else.

"The fact that these evil perverts had her in their clasps before she was even 12, grooming her."

1) Lucy Chase Williams, the main complainer, (as mentioned by @54 and others) does not make mention of her age in her statement. The aforementioned commenters have provided photos at 17.

2) Point out to me where ANYONE claims that sexual assault, etc. is morally right.

"Does it feel good referring to preteen girls, who were most likely groomed and abused by their parents, in a known den of pedophiles, as whores?"

1) It's obvious they aren't virgins.
2) Jesus covers in Matthew 18:6 the consequences for their groomers.
3) The state of their soul is between them and God.
4) If God wants me to intervene, then I will. Otherwise, I will not.

"Philipino hooker for a green card they are all manly men."

1) She's from E. Europe.
2) You apparently missed the part where I specifically said I'm not bringing her to the US (God willing).
3) The above is assuming God really wants us to marry (a prudent wife is from the Lord, and marriage is not required for a Christian walk).
4) Given the fact you have nothing but empty rhetoric, false witness (and dismiss God's Word as meaningless) why should I listen to you again?

"Just because you cloak your nonsense in scripture doesn't make it any less nonsense."

If you have a issue with Scripture, take it up with God.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab February 06, 2018 12:41 AM  

What is it with these weirdos? If they're not perving on a middle school girl playing dress up they're hating on all women.

I always thought there was more variation in male sexual behavior but these angry souls keep the lines sharp. Gamma, or omega, alpha or sigma they all fit somewhere and reliably display the signs.

Blogger RonG February 06, 2018 12:44 AM  

The seventies were a sleazy time. Here in Canada 14 year old girls could legally be strippers

Blogger Were-Puppy February 06, 2018 12:54 AM  

Kids like costumes and dressing up .
Halloween is made for them.
This kid dressing up as a comic book (which was actually not a comic for kids so someone dropped the ball bigtime here.)

Vampirella was one of those magazine black and white comics from back in those days. Probably right next to the monster mags and savage sword of conan mags.

Blogger Dire Badger February 06, 2018 2:16 AM  

"So all this: "letting that 14-yr-old dress like a TV character was evil and proof that she and her parents were disgusting!" No, it's proof of a LESS-pathological time, when good normal people couldn't imagine pervs lusting after *children*! That's a MODERN sickness!"

You have NO Fecking clue who or what Vampirella is, do you?

Anonymous AB.Prosper February 06, 2018 2:40 AM  

In case anyone new here doesn't know and hasn't hasn't bothered to Google it, Vampirella was the 70's forerunner of Elvira , sexualized and sleazy. Ungood Unclean Adult Fun.

Decent parents don't let kids that age dress in a provocative fashion especially if they are innocent . The idea is to keep them away from sexual situations at that age. This is especially true in the 1970's where pervs abounded just as much as now, porn was mainstreamed, crime high and huge chunks of the culture were drenched in sex.




Blogger Alexandru Constantin February 06, 2018 2:42 AM  

@88 the naiveté of some people is unbelievable.

Anonymous what are you trying to do here February 06, 2018 5:01 AM  

So what exactly is your problem with this when both you and your readers attack people who call this for what it is (pedophilia) in the comments? People are suddenly "gamas" because they find this creepy? What, then, is your beef with this guy and what was the point of this article?

Blogger VD February 06, 2018 5:22 AM  

You know nothing about me and I'm not here to educate you because this isn't about me, it's about the mini skirt wearing floozy attention ho.

We know rather a lot about you by the specific way you exhibit hatred for moderately attractive young women.

You really know how to drag in the gammas a MGTOWs, Vox. Question is, Why?

It is the inevitable consequence of addressing science fiction and comics. I attack their sacred cows and they don't have the emotional continence to rationally defend them.

Blogger VD February 06, 2018 5:24 AM  

People are suddenly "gamas" because they find this creepy?

You have it completely backwards. Gammas don't find it creepy. They don't think "Uncle Forry" did anything wrong. And they think Heidi had it coming to her anyway, because she's a whore. Like every other 14-year old girl who would have rejected them in junior high school.

Anonymous Causal Lurker February 06, 2018 5:25 AM  

Mental floss, please. That's Nabokov-grade disturbing. I now recall those days and some of this dreck all too well, and how much danger was around. It was almost too easy to groom and encourage, after 10 years of hippies shouting and showing "Do Your Own Thing!", with the approval of their dark-souled puppet masters and the enthusiastic backing of the major ad firms.

Xers, show of hands: how many of you had or know someone who had an "Absolut ..." themed T-shirt in middle school? Any "wild child" girls in the same age range, experimenting with dress up, display, substances? Same handlers and advertisers, different decade.

As the SDL notes, the roots of this go back to the 1930s. The same conditions crop up every generation, but by the '30s technology and automation were in a state to accelerate and overwhelm any controls or social resistance. Positive feedback loops are unstable.

Slag them all and their awards down, then bottle the ashes under Solomon's Seal.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning February 06, 2018 7:45 AM  

UPDATE: Beyond creepy. "Obsessed" doesn't even begin to describe it.
https://junglefrolics.blogspot.com/2013/06/heidi-saha-addendum.html

Here's an extra helping of Beyond Creepy from that link. See 4th pic, a fanzine clipping. "From FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND #65 (May 1970)", so the Saha girl is maybe 11 yo.

...he feels like thousands of young monster and science fiction fans all around the country- in fact all over the world- are his "children". Perhaps you don't know that some years ago he took an 8700 mile drive all over the United States and for 5 weeks did nothing but visit readers of FM (most of them teenagers or younger) in their own homes...
[Saha] pictured above sure knows that her "Uncle" Forry likes "kids"!


Have any of the others done anything like this?

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Blogger EMyrt February 06, 2018 10:12 AM  

Dark side of FIWOL (showing my age, I suppose).
Dr Z was at the WorldCon in 1976, but that's my last contact with real life SciFi/Fantasy/etc. culture (in the anthropology sense)

Like Rock'n'Roll, if you build an economically wildly successful subculture around arrested development adolescent obsessions, supercharge it with the Sexual Revolution and throw ever-larger conventions, these problems are going to emerge.

Blogger EMyrt February 06, 2018 11:25 AM  

Thanks for all the links, guys.
After reading and looking at the pictures, the very fact that Heidi, rather than Angelique, won the '73 contest is telling.

Anonymous Anonymous February 06, 2018 3:18 PM  

@96

"We know rather a lot about you by the specific way you exhibit hatred for moderately attractive young women."

@97

"Like every other 14-year old girl who would have rejected them in junior high school."

I went to grade school (1-12) in the 90s (born in the low 80s) in a deep-red suburbia of Oklahoma (God, Guns, and Ccuntry). I was a contrarian, borderline-midwit, and probably a bit of sociopath who wanted to be left alone. Most of the girls (in my view) acted like squirrels or harlots.

But the girls came to me.

Let me repeat that since some people (looking at @86, @94) seem to lack reading skills.

THE GIRLS CAME TO ME. I was not lacking in opportunity.

The flood did, however, slow to a trickle when I told one of the more prettier and (I think, the most socially popular in my class) girl that I would rather kiss a toilet seat than date her. I wasn't bothered by the lack of attention after that, and remember being rather satisfied. After Christ found me at 16, I remember contending (to a lesser degree) with the same problem at church (SBC) that I encountered in grade school.

I did get several dates with the girl I liked (and wasn't a squirrel or a harlot), but she DID NOT approach me like the others; our lives were going in different directions, so we did not take it further.


In short, my personal experience (as a grade-school male) is that girls of pre-teen / teen age can be sexually aggressive, or at least give that preception,contrary to many comments made here.

This does not, repeat, DOES NOT exonerate the perverted behavior of adults like 'Uncle Forry'.

"I attack their sacred cows and they don't have the emotional continence to rationally defend them."

I have never been to a 'Con' of any sort, the only sacred cows that I might have are the novels of Timothy Zahn (and I'm willing to admit the Hand of Thrawn duology was not the best).

@89:

"If they're not perving on a middle school girl playing dress up they're hating on all women."

@97:

"They don't think "Uncle Forry" did anything wrong. And they think Heidi had it coming to her anyway, because she's a whore."

I can't speak for others, but would you be so kind as to take up @86's slack and point out where ANYONE defends the behavior of Forry as moral?

At worst I read their comments as "Dress like prey, attract predators."

I'm trying to generous and assuming there's a misunderstanding, but I am reading your comments as bearing false witness.

Blogger Jeff February 06, 2018 8:53 PM  

Jerry Pournelle thought well of Ackerman, at least as far as his contributions to the genre. He spoke to me regarding Forry's pride in inventing the term "Sci-Fi", when I said I preferred "SF". Who's next on the chopping block, RAH perhaps?

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