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Thursday, February 15, 2018

Coming soon to a theater near you

Arkhaven movies. Why? Because now that it has seen its comic sales decline on the strength of its commitment to diversity, Marvel is doubling down and is going to make a stronger commitment to diversity in its movies:
Feige acknowledged that not having to think about diversity and representation is something that easy to take for granted that all cinematic heroes look like him ie: a white male.

“It’s something that’s easy to take for granted, growing up in the United States as a white male, that my cinematic heroes look like me,” said Feige. “I never thought they looked exactly like me, because I’m not a big athletic hero, but they do. It’s something that over the course of these ten years, having a certain amount of power over what type of movies are made and what type of actors we hire, I want everybody to have that feeling. We don’t take it for granted that people want to see themselves reflected in our heroes and our characters. That’s been the case in the comics for years, and, finally, that’s the case in the movies, and will only continue from here.”

Feige just did something that a lot of people are incapable of doing; he acknowledge how easy it is to forget about diversity and representation when they don’t effect you. He “checked his privilege” to use a term that’s been overused and misunderstood. It’s the same with racism or homophobia or any other form of prejudice; just because it doesn’t personally effect you doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. The fact that Feige can acknowledge that sometimes he forgets is important because that is the first step to being truly aware.
I look forward to my first conversation several years from now with a well-established cinematic figure who is duly horrified by my near-complete lack of interest in, or knowledge of, film history, techniques, directors, producers, screenwriters, traditions, and culture.

Q: "How can you possibly expect to be successful when you don't know or care about the industry?"

A: One word: "diversity".

And by soon, I mean five years instead of never.

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94 Comments:

Blogger James Dixon February 15, 2018 8:09 AM  

As long as you stay well away from the current Hollywood establishment you should be fine.

Computers have reached the point where editing video has been possible for quite a while and now computer animation is within the reach of a normal person. Cameras are now cheap and digital recording is easy. The film industry is ready for some major disruptions any time now.

I'm surprised Google hasn't looked into an AI for creating movies.

Blogger Chris Lutz February 15, 2018 8:10 AM  

It was only a matter of time before it moved from the comics to the movies. The wreckage that will be Disney studios will be frightful to behold.

OT: It sounds like Disney streaming is going to be DOA. They are going to want $20/month and it will not include any R-rated films. Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu have to be very happy.

Blogger Akulkis February 15, 2018 8:12 AM  

Don't care for comic book movies, but the day this happens, it will be pure awesomeness.

Hollyweird thinks they're so important -- becoming a success in their industry without knowing anything about it will really piss them off to no end.

Anonymous Anonymous February 15, 2018 8:15 AM  

Ho Lee Fuk. That would be the shit

Blogger Silly but True February 15, 2018 8:26 AM  

Elisabeth Hasselback. Janine Turner. Jessica Simpson. Laura Prepon. Tracy Scoggins. Sarah Michelle Geller. James Woods. Laura Flynn Boyle. Jon Voight. Kevin Sorbo. Roma Downing. Clint Eastwood. Vince Vaughn. Kelsey Grammer.

A helluva movie.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 15, 2018 8:29 AM  

Silly,

How about some James Woods???

Bruh.

Blogger The Observer February 15, 2018 8:37 AM  

Five years. That IS indeed a pretty short time; soon indeed. The Dark Lord does not make empty threats.

Alt-Hero as a movie would be amazing, and it would practically market itself.

The film industry is ready for some major disruptions any time now.

I occasionally trawl through youtube looking for people LARPing tabletop game situations. Some of the homemade fifteen or so minute movies are genuinely more entertaining and gripping than what's being shown on the silver screen these days. Of course they don't have any of the technical whizz-bang, but the storylines, situations and characters are truly hilarious.

Blogger David The Good February 15, 2018 8:50 AM  

The diversity levels in CH have really helped us.

Blogger Dexter February 15, 2018 8:51 AM  

It is appropriate that "Feige" is German for "coward".

Blogger Dexter February 15, 2018 8:52 AM  

"just because it doesn’t personally effect you doesn’t mean it isn’t happening"

Get your phone out and take a photo of me sitting here not giving a shit.

Blogger CM February 15, 2018 8:53 AM  

Comic book heroes look like the creators because they are an extension of the creator. The heroic acts are what the creator thought would be heroic. Their character is what the creator thought was good character.

I wonder what "diverse" folk would think that that "diverse" super hero on the screen is just a "diverse" version of some white dude thinking he's providing "diverse" people with someone to represent them.

If "diverse" people want representation, then they should create their "diverse" characters that are extensions of them and their values. If the story is good, enough people will buy them, but if you make something that only appeals to 13% of the population, then don't expect to make a lot of money.

Isn't this just another version of the White Savior? Isn't that supposed to be racist, too? This guy is seriously racist.

Blogger snod snodwon February 15, 2018 8:58 AM  

Feige is crypto. The name is German but the man himself is clearly a member.

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 8:59 AM  

Fiege is also known to be a damn good liar to the press. You'll still have almost all White Male leads, but they'll surround them with "people of color". By which they mean the token black & hispanic character and some speaking parts for Chinese characters. "Diversity" to Hollyweird means "can we sell it in China?".

That Rose kiss in TLJ cost Disney ~100 Million USD in Chinese box office. That was so predictable. Speaking of TLJ, they're going to leave it in theaters until it limps past $623 million in the USA box office. They have to get it "passed" The Avengers so the numbers look good. Even if it's probably made far & away less actual return.

I'd love to see Arkhaven movies. However, the movie industry needs complete disruption from the backside aspects. The front-facing stuff has actually improved massively over the last few decades (digital helps immensely), but it's a complete wreck on every level getting a product to the screen. Business & Legal Structures are dry as a bones in the Sahara for a decade, but it's the area where the entire industry is beyond fragile.

On the technical side, the key people are always Production Designers, Writers and Editors. Find some Fan Edits of popular but somewhat flawed movies if you want to see what an Editor can make out of something wonky. Which is quite impressive when entire Big Budget movies have been made without any scripts being finished at the start of shooting.

Most comics would actually make better short-run TV series. The MCU is on movie 18(?), but it's really been 8 different Iron Man movies. There's a reason RDJ has been milking Disney for massive amounts of money.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 15, 2018 9:00 AM  

The issue Feige is dealing with is the fact that the majority of the base material used in the MCU comes from a time when said material was primarily aimed at white males.

Sure, people have been clamoring for a Black Widow film for a while, but a couple of problems with that. She’s a Cold War relic, and a lot of her back story has already been addressed in previous films. The fact that Captain Marvel is the first solo female outing is driving those SJW supporters of Widow nuts.

This weekend will be interesting to see what happens with Black Panther. The fact that some folks were calling the film “Alt-Right” has got to be giving the production team fits. That irony is just too fitting for this situation.

The simple fact that there has been little talk of Phase 4 tells me that they didn’t expect to get this far, and they’re fresh out of marketable ideas. Pity for them. Perfect opening for the likes of Arkhaven.

Blogger Timmy3 February 15, 2018 9:00 AM  

Cloverfield Paradox and Marvel Daredevil had it’s characters speak Chinese to female Chinese characters. That’s the odd diversity in the future.

Blogger Desdichado February 15, 2018 9:03 AM  

"just because it doesn’t personally effect you doesn’t mean it isn’t happening"

What's stopping all of the other peoples in the other parts of the world from creating their own film industries for and by "people who look like them?" India did it. Hong Kong did it. Japan did it.

Why do they think that they need to parasitize OUR industry built up in OUR country for OUR people?

Blogger Brad Matthews February 15, 2018 9:13 AM  

Black Panther will be a test. Every black will see it opening weekend and then I imagine a spectacular crash the second week. Now it might be a surprise like ant man, but I dont see it carrying its own brand. Check out my twitter for the latest black panther memes. @masculineoutlaw

Blogger Brad Matthews February 15, 2018 9:14 AM  

I'd like some comstructive feedback.

Blogger Brad Matthews February 15, 2018 9:14 AM  

"N"

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 9:19 AM  

Glad to hear this about Movie Making intent...MOAR Culture Wars.


Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2018 9:20 AM  

"Why do they think that they need to parasitize OUR industry built up in OUR country for OUR people?"

Because we're close and easy targets.

Blogger Thucydides February 15, 2018 9:21 AM  

I do like the idea of "taking over" the Black Panther movie, at least insofar as claiming it is an "Alt-Right" movie. It not only drives the SJWs into paroxysms of rage, but people who are not clear on what Alt-Right stands for will hear the controversy and be getting "woke" from a totally unexpected source. Tell everyone you are looking forward to that Alt Right movie.....

I almost think if the meme is pushed hard enough, Black Panther will be rapidly pulled from theatres and never get a streaming or DVD release.

Blogger Rocklea Marina February 15, 2018 9:23 AM  

I support the right of Bollywood, Jackie Chan movies from Hong Kong and manga to exist. The Hollywood gods must be crazy to think they can culturally misappropriate without consequences. They should stick to Samson and Delilah. Arkhaven's got the West covered.

Blogger The Observer February 15, 2018 9:24 AM  

Five years; that is quite a short time indeed where these things are concerned.

The Dark Lord does not make empty threats.

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 9:25 AM  

Brad Matthews wrote:Black Panther will be a test. Every black will see it opening weekend and then I imagine a spectacular crash the second week. Now it might be a surprise like ant man, but I dont see it carrying its own brand. Check out my twitter for the latest black panther memes. @masculineoutlaw

It is a test, yes, but more likely it will be a test to see how well current AI tech can control the Narrative, and people's minds.

It can control the Narrative in Western Cultures now, but the real test will be to check the numbers in China, where the AI bots are not allowed, and the movie needs to stand on it's own.

Blogger James Dixon February 15, 2018 9:26 AM  

> Black Panther will be a test. Every black will see it opening weekend and then I imagine a spectacular crash the second week

I expect so, yes. The problem is that blacks are making it clear to everyone that this is *their* movie and others need not apply. I expect that message to be heard and whites to largely stay away. And as CM says, marketing to 13% of the population is not the way to make big money.

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 9:26 AM  

@13 SemiSpook37

Black Panther is either Alt-Right or Reactionary Right, depending on how you want to view it. It's a hereditary, absolute Monarch that radically defends its borders, takes no immigrants and sustains its traditions.

It's future-tech African Switzerland. They'll keep trying to spin it as Progressive (look, the genius scientist is a black Woman!), but they can't escape what they're actually defending. Monarchy. Preservation of Tradition. Exclusion of Outsiders. Usurper as Villain.

Removed of having to score diversity points, they had to make a story that works logically. Though the reviewers are still dancing around the limited amount of action scenes. I expect it'll make 80-100 million in the Opening Weekend then fall off hard. Then we'll get to hear the howling about how good the movie was and why Whites won't go see it.

Even picking through the reviews to get an actual understanding of the movie, it seems to have been competently done though not great action & not a lot of it. However, it's deeply reactionary and "traditionalist" to the extreme. Holding to the traditions for the Kingship is a key plot point. It's fundamentally a pro-Isolationism movie, which is going to be hilarious to watch people defend.

I really need to get some popcorn. The Monday reaction to the box office is going to be better than the movie.

Blogger Thomas February 15, 2018 9:27 AM  

And when you’re ready, I have a script for you.

Austin Film Festival Semifinalist. My agent went out of business 6 months after I landed him.

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 9:28 AM  

With "Rotten Tomatoes" at near 100%, this response is overdone, and so, it's scripted by controls.

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 9:36 AM  

"Black Panther is either Alt-Right or Reactionary Right, depending on how you want to view it. It's a hereditary, absolute Monarch that radically defends its borders, takes no immigrants and sustains its traditions."

Yeah but, all this will intentionally overlooked by audience, and it will just feelz good, as it projects Black Success.

White people will go see this movie in white neighborhoods, and for the same Cuck, virtue signaling, white guilt reasons that always exist.

No body will even pay any attention to the Right or alt-Right aspects, except...yeah, cool, successful Blacks, not held down.

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 9:40 AM  

@27 tuberman

The fix is definitely in, but people still need to show up to the theater. The movie will tank in all of Asia, and I expect it'll be rough in Europe as well. South Africa & Nigeria will probably have record turnout, though.

Actually, the benchmark is probably http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=passionofthechrist.htm . Why? Because it was also a film that turned out an audience that rarely sees movies, though Passion turned off the normal movie goer. (Turns out, for inflation adjusted terms, it's currently #64 in the US Domestic history. Didn't realize that.)

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 9:40 AM  

I almost think if the meme is pushed hard enough, Black Panther will be rapidly pulled from theatres and never get a streaming or DVD release.

You're clearly on crack. You are overestimating the influence of the Alt-Right worse than Andrew Anglin's followers exaggerate his influence.

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 9:44 AM  

@28 tuberman

The actual movie goer is almost always there to have an enjoyable 90-120 minutes. The majority don't care about the deeper politics, nor we care that they don't. The important detail is the counter-narratives and the responses. We'll be able to cause so much pain in SJWs. That's the fun part.

Oh, and this movie will be forgotten by April. It'll be that "oh yeah, did I see that?". There's not that much wrong with disposable entertainment, but Hollyweird trying to make it "matter" is the part that'll cause the most long term problems for them.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. February 15, 2018 9:47 AM  

Excellent news VD. Markku and I had a lengthy debate on why we couldn't crowd fund a series on your Selenoth books, based on what they did with fan made DBZ and Darth Maul shorts of amazing quality. With Amazon putting out new series based on Howard's Conan and Lotr think the next few years a ripe for a fantasy revival in film and TV.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 15, 2018 9:48 AM  

They cannot shove Wakanda into the alt-right's face please leave the conservative mindset in the past, but you are right about the cucks I read French's review of it yesterday and that clueless cuck cucked hard for it.

Blogger Thot February 15, 2018 9:49 AM  

I'm so confused. From what I take from all these articles about representation for blacks its always that they need to see themselves in that position. The reason they can't reach that position is because they haven't seen "themselves" in that position.

So you are telling me that they literally, "Monkey see, Monkey do."

I know they don't like being compared to monkeys but when they act out the part it becomes very confusing to me.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 9:49 AM  

It is potentially possible. But we'd need the right partners. We'd probably want to work with the sort of people who have experience creating low-budget fan shorts and are interested in the material. I wouldn't want to try to work with someone who is just doing it for the first time. But if you can find some experienced folks who are interested, have them get in touch.

Blogger horsewithnonick February 15, 2018 9:59 AM  

Just because it is happening doesn't mean i have to care.

Blogger Thomas February 15, 2018 10:03 AM  

"And by soon, I mean five years instead of never."

And when you are ready to ask for script submissions, expect one from me.

I wrote a script and submitted it to the Austin Film Festival, where it semi-finalled. That got the attention of an agent.

I went through one rewrite for them based on their notes (which I still have) and accompanying emails. They wanted me to make the Catholic Church the real antagonist (its an action/horror script) which I expressed reservations about and never wrote into the script.

The agent "went out of business" six months later. I was unable to secure any further representation. A friend that works in the industry said that was unusual (he's a lefty but no SJW).

I would like very much to dust it off and submit when you are ready to accept submissions.

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 10:04 AM  

31. Looking Glass

Correct, short to medium term, this movie is a likely success, on the surface. Yet, long-term it will be targeted, and there will be pay-back for this absurdity.

They are putting much into this sh*thole. Inverted reality does not work long-term.

Blogger Brad Matthews February 15, 2018 10:04 AM  

It will bomb in China.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira February 15, 2018 10:07 AM  

After all that's happened in the last couple of years, this does not seem impossible. In fact, it almost feels inevitable.

Blogger Brad Matthews February 15, 2018 10:08 AM  

When the reviews are more popular than the movie.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 15, 2018 10:09 AM  

For the numbers nerds out there
Black Panther has an official budget of 200m
Marketing likely the same .
Studios on average take 50+% of receipts.
So rough math dictates a 800m world wide gross to break even
For perspective
Thor Ragnarok with a budget of 180m is currently sitting at 850m world wide gross .

Make of all that what you will .

Blogger Desdichado February 15, 2018 10:10 AM  

tuberman wrote:With "Rotten Tomatoes" at near 100%, this response is overdone, and so, it's scripted by controls.
With Rotten Tomatoes indicating that they're going to crack down on "fake" audience scores (with no indication of how they determine if they're fake or not) I don't think you'll be able to trust even that, which was an interesting tell for the latest Star Wars.

It is always possible that in spite of all of the drama and meaning that SJWs are trying to infuse into the Black Panther, that it's a good, entertaining movie, though, that resists the urge to lecture anyone on anything and is only being propped up as an SJWs wet dream because it's all black people in Africa living out their We Wuz Kangz fantasy.

Until it's determined that the movie's high critics score is more about narrative than about actual quality of the movie, which is TBD as near as I can tell, then I have little confidence in any predictions about what's going to happen with this movie specifically.

Blogger Dave February 15, 2018 10:15 AM  

Stanley Kubrick is gonna kick your a$$.

Blogger Silly but True February 15, 2018 10:19 AM  

@Stg,
I'd take "Arkhaven presents James Woods Reading James Woods' Tweets."

Now that'd be some damn fine entertaining 85 minutes of film!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 15, 2018 10:25 AM  

Clay Travis' flunky went to see Wakanda says it is very good, but then again he thought Last Jedi a smash hit as well. After reading French's and his review it appears per usual people will see what they want to see in it and that it probably is a great start per usual in a franchise..

If the dissident/alt-right don't play little fishee wants to get trolled and outraged like they did with the Mad Max and the post apocalyptic bikini team chase movie the movie Wakanda could be made useful.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 15, 2018 10:27 AM  

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Blogger Ingot9455 February 15, 2018 10:30 AM  

While I actually hope it will be a decent enough film, all the overblown SJW crap surrounding it is a killer.

My spouse is actually a Black Panther fan from years ago, long before any of the Marvel Movies, and really liked the way they pulled him off in Civil War.

I expected him to be excited for this film just on a basic level and was trying to find a way to see it with him (he's in another state handling a death in the family and I can only be there a limited time). But the overblown crap surrounding turned him negative on it. Now getting him to it will be a chore and/or a hope that its still in theaters when he gets back.

Blogger James Dixon February 15, 2018 10:32 AM  

> It is always possible that in spite of all of the drama and meaning that SJWs are trying to infuse into the Black Panther, that it's a good, entertaining movie

It's possible. Given everything we know I'm afraid the odds are against it. That's a shame as T'Challa was always one of Kirby/Lee's more interesting creations; up there with Norrin Radd.

Blogger James Dixon February 15, 2018 10:33 AM  

> But the overblown crap surrounding turned him negative on it.

Bingo. That's going to be the case for a lot of people.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2018 10:37 AM  

"Stanley Kubrick is gonna kick your a$$."

I get the impression that Kubrick would more likely be making a thinly veiled exposition of Satanic/Hollyweird Corruption and selling it to make his career.

Oh wait.

Blogger Paul Sacramento February 15, 2018 10:40 AM  

I was always a fan of Black Panther, much like I was of White Tiger, and I always found the story line interesting ( not sure if they are going to address his super strength and speed from eating the special plant in this movie). There have always been black super heroes in Marvel (Falcon, Blade, Storm, Deathlock, etc) sucks that they don't get any recognition.
IMO, the media crap aside, people will go watch this because it is a crucial part of the infinity wars story line. Sure there will be more black people than normal because of the media buzz, but that will be short lived if that movie isn't as good as the others.
Good marvel movies get repeat viewers and make a nice chunk overseas and that will not happen if the movie sucks, period.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 15, 2018 10:44 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> It is always possible that in spite of all of the drama and meaning that SJWs are trying to infuse into the Black Panther, that it's a good, entertaining movie

It's possible. Given everything we know I'm afraid the odds are against it. That's a shame as T'Challa was always one of Kirby/Lee's more interesting creations; up there with Norrin Radd.


Honestly, I can't think of a bad movie Marvel has made yet. Even Antman was pretty good. It was just a failure by Marvel standards.

As for Black Panther not making money, forget it. It will pull in half a billion easy. The real disappointment for the SJWs is that it won't make Captain America money.

If you are looking for a potentially epic failure, look no further than Solo. The fans are still steaming over TLJ combine that with a weak premise and you've got a formula for disaster.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 15, 2018 10:44 AM  

@Looking Glass

And that’s a huge part of this whole thing. I guarantee you that the folks behind the scenes are so engrossed in trying to stick it to the “evil” group that they inherently reinforce the very narrative they’re attacking.

The EXACT same thing happened in the most recent Star Wars release. While everyone was complaining about all of the less-than-subtle SJW press, the message *I* took away from it was “maybe the Resistance should focus on actually fighting the First Order instead of checking off all of their diversity boxes because we see how well THAT worked”.

There are those that don’t realize that a lot of the themes they despise are rather quite timeless and able to be applied virtually anywhere that’s willing to try them. Your description of an “African Switzerland” is spot on. If only it was able to happen in reality.

Blogger Anno Ruse February 15, 2018 10:44 AM  

I think they tried to cut corners with Black Panther. Few action scenes and the one we see in the trailer has really shoddy CGI. Plus you don't have to pay black actors as much. If Marvel expected this to fail it would make sense to keep the budget low.

I welcome Arkhaven's entry into cinema. Hopefully with a return to practical effects. I recently rewatched Fellowship and the detail is absolutely gorgeous.

Blogger wreckage February 15, 2018 10:47 AM  

I remain excited for what looks like a solid Rightful King kinda story. You can call the basic emotional drivers of the drama progressive all you like, it's Alt-Right, Reactionary, or Monarchist Conservative as all hell.

If it was progressive T'challa would be white. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 15, 2018 10:50 AM  

Nick Cole's Galaxy's Edge would make for a great comic series.

And for that matter a great screen series.

Blogger Anno Ruse February 15, 2018 10:51 AM  

"If you are looking for a potentially epic failure, look no further than Solo."

Reddit is the biggest Gamma circlejerk forum around and if you only visited that site you wouldn't even know this film was coming out. It's going to flop bigly. Disney would've done better to cast geriatric Harrison Ford in "one more Solo adventure".

Blogger bearspaw February 15, 2018 10:52 AM  

Arkhaven will make it just on fans crowding theatres to spot Vox in a cameo a la Stan Lee.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 15, 2018 11:03 AM  

@Cataline

I think the only real “failure” for the MCU up to this point is probably the Hulk redo with Ed Norton. Ant-Man probably shares in this from a script standpoint (one of the major issues with Hulk was Norton’s constant meddling with the script, not unlike the battles that Edgar Wright had on Ant-Man), but I’ll make it a point to watch Ant-Man whenever it shows up on TV or out of my streaming catalog. I don’t do that with Hulk unless I’m really bored and even then, it’s a tough sell.

Recasting Banner with Mark Ruffalo has been pretty meh, but he does himself no favors for being an even whinier bitch than Norton off-camera. I bet you that’s probably a major reason why a second (third, technically) Hulk offering has never been seriously considered. Well, that and Comcast/Universal’s unwillingness to play along like Sony did with Spider-Man.

As for Solo, that’s a film that had no business being made at all. With Rogue One, you had plenty of wiggle room to make an interesting story and not have it detract fully from the original film (granted, it’s not a masterpiece for several reasons, but it does its job competently). Solo strikes me more as blatant cash grab that’s purely an attempt to stir some sort of nostalgia for elements of the fan base. The fact that they switched direction from Lord and Miller to OPIE CUNNINGHAM mid-production is a huge tell to me that they didn’t think their cunning plan quite all the way through.

Blogger Hammerli280 February 15, 2018 11:04 AM  

Option some of John Wright's works. "Somewhither" begs for a film adaption. "One Bright Star to Guide Them," too.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 11:05 AM  

Nick Cole's Galaxy's Edge would make for a great comic series.

You need to tell them that. I tend to agree.

Blogger Howard Stone February 15, 2018 11:11 AM  

TMNT 1990 best comic book movie ever made. Just saying. If you can reproduce that, then you will be successful. Moves don’t have to be 2 and half to 3 hours long either. 1 hour thirty minutes should be plenty of tome to tell a good story. Half hour for each act.

Blogger William Meisheid February 15, 2018 11:23 AM  

It turns out Amazon is making a series based on Larry Niven's Ringworld. They are also making the movie of Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover.

Blogger Bobiojimbo February 15, 2018 11:25 AM  

Lol! I just had a hilarious idea: spaghetti super hero movies.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 15, 2018 11:28 AM  

Anno Ruse wrote:"If you are looking for a potentially epic failure, look no further than Solo."

Reddit is the biggest Gamma circlejerk forum around and if you only visited that site you wouldn't even know this film was coming out. It's going to flop bigly. Disney would've done better to cast geriatric Harrison Ford in "one more Solo adventure".


What makes the concept terrible is that, it is the start of a life story where the hero ends his days as an complete failure.

Han Solo was a petty criminal who became a General and family man and threw all of that away to go back to being a petty criminal who is murdered by his only son. (Thank J.J. Abrams!)

But then all of the old heroes from Star Wars have been turned into complete failures. Luke died a bitter, broken old man who betrayed almost everything he believed in, pretty much creating Kylo Ren in the process.

Leia is left alive but alone. Her only child is a monster and the #RESISTANCE she is left leading is so pathetically small, that this entire rebellion fits in the cargo hold of the Millenium Falcon. Also, let's face it, she'll die in the next movie without doing much.

Our childhood movie heroes were intentionally left broken and destroyed. SJWs didn't just need to replace them. They needed to destroy then and incidentally take a huge dump on the audience who loved them because they want to be rid of that audience.

This is what real Convergence in looks like entertainment.

Marvel Films isn't there yet but Fiege is clearly an Irreplaceable Man. When he's gone the suck begins in earnest.

Blogger Chris Lutz February 15, 2018 11:34 AM  

@55 I doubt it they tried to cut corners. The budget it around $200 million and the marketing budget has to be at least half that. Marvel wasn't going to go half-hearted into their first Black superhero movie.

That being said, I have noticed with some of the newer TV spots that the scenes look cheap from the brief glimpses.

If the film earns $500 million, it will be a loss for Marvel.

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 11:43 AM  

@62 Howard Stone

There's a good argument for it. That movie has aged a lot better than you would expect. Though TMNT 2 is some hilariously campy fun.


@54 SemiSpook37

They do most of their subversive stuff in small art house films that they toss awards to, it's the big pictures they sneak things in. The catch is that, after going all in on a black cast, they can't undermine them the way they can a white cast. Identity politics for everyone but whites is one directional with the SJWs, so they literally cannot do what to a black character what they do to white ones.

While it is just a basic structural analysis of the position that the movie media is in, it also means that they have to build up their main character. Who just so happens to be the rightful heir to the throne of a future-tech, isolationist, tradition-bound absolute monarchy. And it keeps that place by keeping the rest of Africa away from itself.

Hollywood is releasing a major move that, structurally, has to push Duty, Honor, Responsibility and Respecting Tradition, and they had to do that because otherwise they'd be tarred & feathered as racists. It's great.

Sadly, since this film will be forgotten in two months, the memetic potential is low. The social media space has been pretty devoid of combat on the topic. Whoever is running the media campaigns is clearly aware of the issues of pissing off the chans. The memetic content is, as I explained, potent, but the potential is low if the SJWs aren't willing to fight about it. Actually, we've gotten more fun out of them doing the "out of respect for the black community, I won't be going to see the movie". Funny, that.


@66 Chris Lutz

I don't think Marvel was cutting corners, but they clearly kept the budget more limited. They got less ILM time and the actual budget is probably closer to $120 million. Lots of stuff done on smaller sets and green screening all of the locations they could. There is the set piece in South Korea (which was filmed there), but the actor costs were also way down with this movie.

If it had a $200 million budget, there's a big question of where it went, but since this is Fiege running the MCU, that isn't going to be a question. If they're putting that out there, that includes most of the marketing. I think if this does $500 million worldwide, Marvel will turn a direct profit. As I said up thread, Fiege knows how to tell the Press what they want to here, then actually doing something completely different. It's the reason the MCU has worked.

Blogger Chris Lutz February 15, 2018 12:04 PM  

@67 They clearly kept the budget limited based on what? Feige said:

During a recent interview with Vulture, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige revealed that Black Panther has a slightly higher budget than other recent Marvel Cinematic Universe movies, largely as a way to properly bring to life the world of Wakanda.

The last Thor movie had a budget of $180 million. Marvel isn't going to take a chance that they are seen as shorting a Black superhero movie. I bet the actors were paid something of a small premium for their roles. You want to hear that black actors got paid less than their counterparts even if it wasn't true. No, they spent $200 million.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 15, 2018 12:14 PM  

@17 Brad Matthews
I'd like some comstructive feedback.
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I'll tweet you some of mine i've used on Gab. I'll probably get wacked from twitter for it.
But I like to live dangerously.

Blogger Crew February 15, 2018 12:18 PM  

Who are those people buying up Black Panther tickets? Are schools spending big?

What will the sales be like after the weekend?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 15, 2018 12:19 PM  

@17 Brad Matthews
I'd like some comstructive feedback.
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Well, I've not made so many as I thought. Mostly doing comments on topics and posts such as : "Deport to Wakanda" or "Move to Wakanda"

Blogger Arthur Isaac February 15, 2018 12:26 PM  

I'm all about agree and amplify on Black Panther. It's the best movie ever made that I'll never seen. Any movie with less black representation is racist. The franchise can only get better from here, they're Africans and Africans can never fail. It'll be like Silver-age Superman with no Kryptonite in sight. Minorities are too awesome to be conflicted.

Blogger Crew February 15, 2018 12:27 PM  

I think you can send email to this address to suggest a comic series for Galaxy's Edge:

Prisma@galacticoutlaws.com

Blogger TalongMan February 15, 2018 12:36 PM  

Semi-OT: Teaser trailer for The Incredibles II just showed and it sort of plays into the whole feminism angle of stay-at-home dad and working mom with dad bumbling the job and mom being all grrll power. Hopefully Brad Bird goes all subversive and ends up with the message that the best setup is the traditional one with the Mom as homemaker/nurturer and the Dad as the protector/provider.

Blogger Quilp February 15, 2018 2:06 PM  

How do I get in on the ground floor of that investment. I may not be Steve Mnuchin, but it sounds like a winner to me.

Blogger Dire Badger February 15, 2018 3:42 PM  

I just...tried...watching Justice league.

How in the hell did they create a big budget violence fest that was BORING?

I mean, literally I walked away halfway through the relentless monotony to make myself lunch, came back ten minutes later and felt relieved that I missed ten minutes of this endlessly emo CG fest.

I mean, even 'the Crow', the harbinger of the (Then) new Emo Goth angle, had at least the occasionally funny moment. Even the murders were handled with Humor. But this crap from DC? It was WORSE than 'Man of Steel', worse than that Gal Gadot nonsense, and even worse than that disconnected CG hell 'Batman V Superman.'.

Even last-minute takeover by Joss Whedon couldn't hammer this depressing and boring piece of Crap into shape. Maybe they should have hauled Tim burton out of retirement...He couldn't have done worse.

Blogger Dire Badger February 15, 2018 3:49 PM  

All I can say about Black Panther is that at least they didn't try to crowbar in in Jamie Foxx and Denzel Washington.

Blogger Skyler the Weird February 15, 2018 4:03 PM  

I fear for hair weave establishments and liquor stores in St Louis and Baltimore if Black Panther does not win all the Oscars.

Blogger Chad February 15, 2018 4:05 PM  

I think it's helpful to realize that SJWs aren't so much concerned with what the market supplies for their interest as they are about what's available to everyone else. I think even if there was a cozy niche market for their particular tastes, they would still wouldn't be satisfied. They want to control whatever is mainstream.

They want whatever demographic starring in whichever important role, but the important thing is that WE see it. Star Wars will be touted as some sort of success in this area, but I think it still relied heavily on the nostalgia of the original cast. Now that they've ground the old characters into irrelevance I'm hoping there isn't another commercially viable Star Wars movie ever made.

@77

I though Samuel Jackson was the designated go to. Or Morgan Freeman.

Blogger Dire Badger February 15, 2018 4:25 PM  

They already have samuel L. Jackson in the MCU.

And after paying for that handicapped fat negro, they probably ran out of money for Freeman.

Anonymous Anonymous February 15, 2018 5:10 PM  

@76:

I never tried watching most superhero movies past 'Civil War'.

I grew up watching Batman, Justice League, Superman, and Spiderman TAS (during the 1990s), and I figured that the Hollywood could not improve on them.

Blogger Dire Badger February 15, 2018 5:16 PM  

Batfleck is amazing.

I mean, you all know actors that are so Talented that they take a crap role, and play it SO HARD that they go past bad and make the film 'Great' Actors like Bruce Campbell, Sean Connery, Rowan Atkinson, John Goodman...

But Affleck? He Plays it so hard that it goes right past Terrible into Great, Past Great, Past mediocre, and right back down past Terrible into Awe-inspiringly bad.

It's a gift. One only possessed by those who got their acting chops playing in Quirky Millenial comedies with no artistic merit whatsoever that get cheap thrills by giving the finger to everything good and successful.

Blogger Wolfman at Large February 15, 2018 6:49 PM  

The Chinese will probably be able to watch Black Panther as a comedy.

Blogger SacrificialLamb February 15, 2018 7:38 PM  

My personal prediction is that Black Panther will make somewhere between $500 million to $650 million dollars, making its success comparable to Ant-Man (or Doctor Strange)....each of which had box offices of over $519 million and $677 million dollars (respectively). That means the box office for Black Panther will earn LESS than every Marvel movie over the past six years, with the exception of Ant-Man.

Hollywood is pimping the Hell out of this neo-Marxist movie, and the movie’s pre-release success is predominantly because of celebrities, churches, schools and civic organizations buying tickets for black people.....IN BULK.

Black Panther will do "ok" at the box office, but will NOT financially perform as well as Thor: Ragnarok (over $849 million box office).

But even with those details that are artificially increasing the box office, this movie is essentially just a very expensive SJW-induced blaxploitation flick (with lots of "we wuz kangz" propaganda).....where watching this movie has nearly become a political act.

Anyway, that's my prediction. I will NOT spend money on the movie myself, but we'll see how all of this goes.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 15, 2018 10:01 PM  

Saw Black Panther at a Thursday evening showing in a small town, small theatre, deep south. Theatre not full, but small town that can't necessarily fill a theatre.

How to describe? Imagine God-Emperor Trump narrating a mix of Shakespearean and Greek Tragedy. The timeless themes of brother against brother and life against death are rendered in broad strokes and clear colors. Just as Trump's general audience speeches are set to a fourth grade level so everyone can understand, so it is with this movie.

Grade from an intelligent southern lass: quite good. From me, very good but not great. From Black Panther fan just getting over mother's funeral, C+. From a group of stereotypical toothless white Southerners: A.

Blogger Salden February 16, 2018 12:07 AM  

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Blogger Salden February 16, 2018 12:08 AM  

Ingot9455 wrote:Saw Black Panther at a Thursday evening showing in a small town, small theatre, deep south. Theatre not full, but small town that can't necessarily fill a theatre.

How to describe? Imagine God-Emperor Trump narrating a mix of Shakespearean and Greek Tragedy. The timeless themes of brother against brother and life against death are rendered in broad strokes and clear colors. Just as Trump's general audience speeches are set to a fourth grade level so everyone can understand, so it is with this movie.

Grade from an intelligent southern lass: quite good. From me, very good but not great. From Black Panther fan just getting over mother's funeral, C+. From a group of stereotypical toothless white Southerners: A.


Does the movie go full Afrocentric (ala saying Isaac Newton learned from Wakandas in one chan troll post)? Does it go full fuck Whitey like in the comics under Reginald Hudlin?

Blogger Ingot9455 February 16, 2018 12:54 AM  

There's plenty of We Wuz Kangs. There's actually an acknowledgement that the rest of Africa has problems.
There are jokes at the expense of whites, but also a white helper guy who is undeniably heroic and valuable.

The main thematic struggle in the film and therefore the main reason for Black Panther to be a dithering, Hamlet-like conflicted character (and the only one with multiple dimensions) is exactly that - do they remain isolationist and safe or do they endanger themselves in trying to help others? Little is made of their exact method of choosing to do so in the end because that would be way too complex for this 4th grade level film.

No, they do not take that final step over the line in claiming that whites got science from Wakanda. At one point the bad guy does claim that human life started in Africa so as to justify his evil deed of the moment but he's the bad guy so don't trust him.

The arguments that they lay out on broad emotional strokes could be made much more complex - Nigeria has uranium, a super powerful metal, and it didn't make them Kangs - but that would make a different movie. This bar is set to 85-90 IQ.

Blogger Desdichado February 16, 2018 8:20 AM  

I haven't really heard yet if The Black Panther actually engages in white flagellation or not, but I've got loads of reliable reports coming in that says that it's boring as can be, the main characters are boring as can be, and very little actually happens in what is supposed to be an action superhero pulpish story.

Given that and Rotten Tomatoes openly signaling that you can't trust the audience scores, which even with their massaging to maintain the narrative fiction that any SJW-beloved movie that goes down in flames is merely the target of "alt.Right trolls" it's more than 20% lower than the critics score, and likely to fall even further.

Blogger Desdichado February 16, 2018 8:22 AM  

I suspect that much of the Marxist and anti-white messaging is unrelated to the movie's actual content per se, though, and has more to do with its treatment at the hands of the media and semi-public SJWs generally. Regardless of what the movie is ACTUALLY about, this is effectively the REAL trailer for the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1297hISzNNo

Blogger Ingot9455 February 16, 2018 9:20 AM  

I actually felt that because the characters were so simple, the actors did a very good job 'disappearing' into them.

My spouse found the dialogue stilted and formal. But allowed that it might be that they were aping 'royal' speech patterns. To me, that was the baby's-first-Shakespeare part.

There's a lot of animist spirituality in the film. Yet I was crying out for, in answer to the Killmonger character going on about death snd overthrow, for Black Panther to say, 'I serve life, not death.' It would have made the movie incredibly better, and very Christian. But no.

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