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Tuesday, February 20, 2018

Do they never learn?

Trump falls for the media blitz... or at least appears to do so:
President Donald Trump took action on Tuesday to outlaw bump stocks like the one used in the Las Vegas shooting last fall.

'I signed a memorandum directing the Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns,' Trump said in the wake of a Florida massacre in which the killer did not use such a device.

Trump's directive, which he pointedly brought up at a White House Medal of Valor ceremony, followed his press secretary's announcement minutes before that the president had ordered his administration to look at ways it could unilaterally deter mass shootings like the one in Parkland.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders also said that Trump had not closed the door on new gun controls, including an assault weapons ban that is unpopular with the president's base.
The only thing the President should have said in response to the expected calls for gun control is this: "All federal gun laws are clearly unconstitutional. I am ordering a review of them and will put a proposal before Congress to legalize all firearms in accordance with the Second Amendment to the Constitution."

What is the point of this sort of useless do-nothing gesture? It's wrong, it's senseless, it's not going to accomplish anything positive, and it's going to weaken Trump's position. One of the most difficult skills to develop is the ability to do absolutely nothing when everyone else is losing their heads and demanding that SOMEBODY do SOMETHING!

That being said, I expect Trump will care more about the genuine outrage of his base than about the fake outrage of the media. Remember, the man makes mistakes, but he learns quickly from them.

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Blogger VFM #7634 February 20, 2018 7:53 PM  

Dear President Trump:

Ban. Psychotropic. Drugs.

Sincerely,
Your base

Blogger Looking Glass February 20, 2018 8:01 PM  

I'd point out this isn't the first time Trump has played the "Squish Middle" this way. He clearly just said "We'll ban things that are illegal to do already!". He does this whenever they're either caught off guard or the Media invents something, as it allows time to reorient the decision making. (It should also be noted this'll be out of the news in 4-5 days.)

The first step in any approach to school shootings is to repeal Joe Biden's Murder Rooms law. They turned schools into a free-fire zone. Impaling Biden on a spear, as a warning to others, is optional.

Blogger Matthew February 20, 2018 8:02 PM  

Ban psychiatrists.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 February 20, 2018 8:03 PM  

What is the point of this sort of useless do-nothing gesture? It's wrong, it's senseless, it's not going to accomplish anything positive, and it's going to weaken Trump's position.

Not that I would be in a position to know, but the following from Dune comes to mind: ""Keep the mind on the knife and not on the hand that holds it...the knife is more dangerous than the hand and the knife can be in either hand."

What is Trump planning to either do or doing that he would use this as a distraction? And does it have anything to do with the sudden disconnect of 'Q'?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2018 8:14 PM  

Looking Glass, that was my thought, too: Trump made a promise that is empty once parsed. Someone will look into something that is either already being done or cannot be done, implying action but requiring nothing. When events get inside Trump's decision loop, he knows how to punt.

On the other hand, Trump is a city boy, a Yankee, not Alt-Right and not American 1.0. We definitely need to keep his feet to the fire on this one.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 8:14 PM  

yankee gotta yankee.

that said... he has always responded well when his base has given him a good hard poke in the chest.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 8:18 PM  

"Ban. Psychotropic. Drugs."

I think private citizens should be able to own nukes. And even I would be fine with people that have been prescribed certain drugs being prohibited from having guns.

Blogger Howard Stone February 20, 2018 8:22 PM  

There’s already an automatic gun ban. Bump stocks make rifles virtually automatic. Trump has proposed to ban bump stocks. Trump did something, but technically he did nothing, and yet ironically it’s still more than anti-gun Obama did in his eight years, even after Sandy Hook. Trump is thinking about mid terms. The only ammunition he is trying to take away is that of the dems who are planning to use gun control as a main platform.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2018 8:23 PM  

"The only thing the President should have said in response to the expected calls for gun control is this: "All federal gun laws are clearly unconstitutional. I am ordering a review of them and will put a proposal before Congress to legalize all firearms in accordance with the Second Amendment to the Constitution.""

A memo directs Sessions to look into banning devices something something something. What he finds may be exactly what you recommend, although I would be happily surprised if Trump wants that, and astounded if Sessions were willing to go along.

Blogger LBascom February 20, 2018 8:28 PM  

I never even heard of a bump stock until the Vegas shooting. Seems a silly contraption to me; a way to waste a lot of ammo without hitting anything.

Having said that, I agree banning the things is dumb. Giving in to the gun grabbers just encourages them.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 8:31 PM  

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Blogger VFM #7634 February 20, 2018 8:31 PM  

"I think private citizens should be able to own nukes."

@Nate
Yeah, I've never understood the liberal obsession with getting rid of nukes either. It applies "An armed society is a polite society" to countries.

Blogger LBascom February 20, 2018 8:32 PM  

Mr. Stone, the dems should be encouraged to use gun control as a platform, every time they do they lose big. Trump should force them on the position by demanding an end to so called safe spaces and CCW national reciprocity. Guaranteed winners.

Blogger VD February 20, 2018 8:33 PM  

Russia is pretty based and they have a lot more gun control than we do. We don’t live in a country of independent rural farmers that share a race, creed, culture and religion, so adjusting some of these gun laws and 2nd amendment interpretations seems reasonable until things improve in a few generations.

No, it doesn't seem reasonable. It is not, in fact, reasonable. It is utterly lawless, totally anti-American, and completely idiotic.

You must be remarkably ignorant to state anything that remorselessly stupid here.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 8:38 PM  

"Russia is pretty based and they have a lot more gun control than we do. We don’t live in a country of independent rural farmers that share a race, creed, culture and religion, so adjusting some of these gun laws and 2nd amendment interpretations seems reasonable until things improve in a few generations."

GET THA CHOPPA

Blogger Ken Prescott February 20, 2018 8:39 PM  

"I never even heard of a bump stock until the Vegas shooting. Seems a silly contraption to me; a way to waste a lot of ammo without hitting anything."

And to make sure the shooter does not have positive control of the weapon.

It was approved by the Obama BATFE.

About the only practical use of a bump stock is to spray down a large area, such as an open-air concert venue, without concern for who gets hit.

It was approved with the hope it would be used in a mass shooting.

Blogger Lovekraft February 20, 2018 8:41 PM  

The leftist media are like sharks who see any capitulation as like blood in the water and become more determined, not less.

Blogger Biggie February 20, 2018 8:43 PM  

"No, it doesn't seem reasonable"

Vox, you are wrong. Switzerland has a robust gun control program. No one is saying ban guns. Dipshit.

Blogger Chris Mallory February 20, 2018 8:53 PM  

#10 and #17,

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand.
Guns are the true 3rd rail in American politics. Without the Clinton gun ban, Al Gore would have been president in 2000. Gun control cost him both West Virginia and Tennessee. Either state would have put him in the White House.

Even after that nut killed all those first graders, Obama was toothless on gun control.

Both of you are more than welcome to move back to where ever your ancestors came from. You do not understand America.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 20, 2018 8:54 PM  

You can't ban 'bump stocks' because you can bump fire a weapon against your belly - ie, with nothing. A strap, like your belt, makes it easier, or any spring you can get at a hardware store.

The futz about banning 'bump stocks' which haven't actually been used in any crime is just a way to ban all guns at once through the back door. Since all semi-automatics can be bump-fired, they're all fully automatic, and they're all banned.

It's just another 'stupid test' for the Stupid Party.

Blogger LBascom February 20, 2018 8:57 PM  

" so adjusting some of these gun laws and 2nd amendment interpretations seems reasonable"

Adjusting interpretations?

"The right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is pretty tough to reinterpret any other way. Why not just admit you don't believe the second amendment is a fundamental right for free men and submit to your chains?

Blogger Howard Stone February 20, 2018 8:58 PM  

@LBascom, agreed, the dems have been believing their own lies for a very long time,and when faced with truth, they continue to double down. I mean, the Clintons and older dems know they’re full of it, the problem is, no dem under the age of forty does. They accept all of the rhetoric as gospel. They are ignorant to the point of insanity. I blame the schools and msm.

Blogger Rick February 20, 2018 8:59 PM  

I don’t know. I’ll wait and see. Like someone said, it will likely evaporate in 4-5 days.
Or.. the GE does have a way of letting the left get what they wish for. Good and hard. Maybe this will make it all the way to the Supreme Court, be found unconstitutional, and tumble down with some other infringements and valuable prizes.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:14 PM  

"Vox, you are wrong. Switzerland has a robust gun control program. No one is saying ban guns. Dipshit. "

Shut your whore mouth. LOTS of people are talking about gun bans.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 9:17 PM  

translation:
"I'm not talking about my end game, gun bans, yet, so it's completely unfair to bring it up."

Blogger tublecane February 20, 2018 9:18 PM  

@Joshua Cole- "Russia is pretty based"

(Whatever that means.) Not on guns, apparently.

Being surrounded by people of different races, creeds, cultures, and religions is a good reason to have more guns, not fewer. Because lower orders will be shooting at you despode the law.

That's why the better people get to have armed guards.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 9:20 PM  


Russia is pretty based and they have a lot more gun control than we do. We don’t live in a country of independent rural farmers that share a race, creed, culture and religion, so adjusting some of these gun laws and 2nd amendment interpretations seems reasonable until things improve in a few generations.


Fake American gonna fake American. You have to go back now.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 9:24 PM  

Vox, you are wrong. Switzerland has a robust gun control program. No one is saying ban guns. Dipshit.

Switzerland is not America. Moron.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:28 PM  

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:28 PM  

Jesus Christ... people posting gun grabbing shit here of all places. We're gonna need a bigger helicopter.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:30 PM  

" Or maybe my respect and expectations of you should drop a bit. We don’t just shout down dissent here, right?"


eat a dick. No one gives a damn if you respect them or not. Rights come from God and don't have anything to do with circumstances you petulant little wretch. Go jerk off at the DailyKos with the other faggots.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:32 PM  

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:33 PM  

'If my ancestors came here from England in 1620, I should go back there because I think there may be some adjustments to gun laws in light of the chaotic society we now live in? '

yes.

Benedict Arnold was a brit too. Its not like we haven't had traitors before and we know well how to deal with them.

Blogger Peaceful Poster February 20, 2018 9:33 PM  

One of the most difficult skills to develop is the ability to do absolutely nothing when everyone else is losing their heads

If Trump can do that, his is the Earth and everything that’s in it.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:34 PM  

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Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 9:35 PM  

Would really appreciate a response correcting me with info and thought and not just insults. Or maybe my respect and expectations of you should drop a bit. We don’t just shout down dissent here, right?

What part of shall not be infringed is unclear to you?

I understand that syphilis spreads to the brain, have you been hanging out with Tad?

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:35 PM  

But hey... lets play.... what changes do you think need to be made. And before you start... you should keep in mind that we have some of the lowest over-all homicide rates in the whole damn world. And you should also keep in mind that more people are struck by lightning every year than are killed with rifles. All rifles of all types.

So give that... yes... tell us all about how we need to make changes.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:36 PM  

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Blogger Chris Mallory February 20, 2018 9:37 PM  

@28
We are surrounded by dangerous diversity so we should allow the government to disarm us. That is really your argument? No thanks. Like Nate said, "Eat a dick."

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 9:37 PM  

And you should also keep in mind that more people are struck by lightning every year than are killed with rifles. All rifles of all types.

No one needs high capacity fully automatic lightning with thunder bump stocks

Blogger Silly but True February 20, 2018 9:37 PM  

@LBascom,
You may not see any purpose; that doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

Bump stocks were invented - and reviewed and ruled no objection by ATF - on the basis of allowing the mobility impaired to exercise their God-granted civil rights.

Why do wish to victimize the handicapped again?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2018 9:38 PM  

Cole, Nate told you to eat a dick. He's kinder than I am. Infringing our right to have and use weapons is never acceptable. If you don't get that, you're no American. This isn't up for discussion or explanation, because fuck you, that's why.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:39 PM  

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Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 9:40 PM  

Honest question...are you really saying those who had founding stock ancestors need to go back to England or are you assuming all you don’t agree with you must not be founding stock descendants?

Founding stock ancestors is not a magic get out of jail free phrase.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:41 PM  

"Honest question...are you really saying those who had founding stock ancestors need to go back to England or are you assuming all you don’t agree with you must not be founding stock descendants?"

Are you really unfamiliar with the concept of a loyalist? We may have been made up of Englishmen.... but we were only ever a subset of Englishmen. We had to kill a whole bunch of you english faggots... and it appears we didn't do as thorough job as we should have.

Blogger Lazarus February 20, 2018 9:41 PM  

Bump stocks are ACCESSORIES people. We are are not talking about Ar15's here.

Its a Fashion Statement, FFS.

No one has the political will to abolish the 2nd A. If Hillary won, maybe they could work something out, but she didn't. Show a little gratitude.


In Florida, Parkland students boarded buses on Tuesday to head for the Florida capital, Tallahassee, preparing to lobby politicians on Wednesday.

But those who had arrived earlier watched in dismay on Tuesday afternoon as lawmakers voted not to take up legislation that would ban military-style rifles and high-capacity magazines. Suspect Nikolas Cruz used such a weapon, an AR-15, in the shooting last week that killed 17, but a motion simply to consider a ban was decisively rejected by the legislature, with 36 votes in favor and 71 against.

The Parkland students had driven more than 400 miles to push their state lawmakers to support gun control laws.

Lizzie Eaton, a 16-year-old Marjory Stoneman Douglas junior, said the vote was “heartbreaking”.


As they say in Cuba : "Calma, calma..."

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 9:43 PM  

We’re not living in that. We’re living in chaos where access to these weapons by the most unstable can create more danger for our people. It’s FUBAR patchwork. It’s the consequence of diversity plus proximity equaling war.
Not linking cause you're a prime spam candidate -or spamdidate.
You admit you are at war and you want... to be disarmed? WTF dude, how stupid are you?

Blogger Lazarus February 20, 2018 9:45 PM  

36 votes in favor and 71 against..... that is probably the actual makeup of America without voter fraud. Get rid of voter fraud and its clear sailing.

Oh, and hang a few "journalists" and bankrupt some MSM companies.

Blogger CoolHand February 20, 2018 9:46 PM  

I'm pretty sure that the GE is giving them the ol' "Syrian Gas Attack" remedy here.

Hue and cry and bluster and then nothing at all actually happens.

Bet the NeoCons STILL have blueballs from that little adventure.

Like I keep having to tell my Boomer dad:

Trump is 180° opposite the GOP of old. He talks like he's gonna stab you in the back and then comes through when it counts, whereas the GOP always talks a good game and then stabs you in the back when it counts.

Don't know what it is with some people, but no matter how many times you show them that words mean nothing whatever in politics, they still like to shit themselves whenever the GE says something they don't agree with.

Stop paying attention to what he says, pay attention to what he DOES, what actually happens on the ground.

The rest is just smoke and bullshit for the cameras.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:46 PM  

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:47 PM  

"Bump stocks are ACCESSORIES people. We are are not talking about Ar15's here.

Its a Fashion Statement, FFS. "

Fool.

You don't give ground on something like this. This is an extremely dangerous moment because it threatens to redefine what is or is not a machine gun.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 20, 2018 9:49 PM  

The YouTube video of the guy using his freaking BELT LOOP as an improvised bump stock proves they are much ado about nothing.
I don't like Trump coming out and saying he wants to ban them, though, even if it's just a ploy to pacify gun grabbers.
The correct response would've been, "end gun free zones, allow nationwide reciprocity, conduct a study into psycotropics & shooting occurrences and find out what the HELL the FBI & POLICE actually do all day, besides issuing tickets and spying on American citizens."

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Blogger Cetera February 20, 2018 9:50 PM  

One thing that left has correct is their constant attempt to demonize and marginalize Christianity. They remember something most of our Churchians don't.

If you piss off badly enough a group of white Christian males, they don't turn the other cheek. They paint crucifixes on their shields, and proceed to bash in the skulls of every man, woman, and child to cross them. Or they leave the borders and highways of their nations lined with the bodies of their enemies, having inserted large, unsanded dildos made of wood through their ass and into the skull, where the enemy will remain as a warning to those who would tempt just how far one may push a devout and holy man.

Saints Charles and Vlad, pray for us.

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass February 20, 2018 9:50 PM  

Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:Would really appreciate a response correcting me with info and thought and not just insults. Or maybe my respect and expectations of you should drop a bit. We don’t just shout down dissent here, right?

What part of shall not be infringed is unclear to you?

I understand that syphilis spreads to the brain, have you been hanging out with Tad?


@35 I'd say he has.

Nate wrote:But hey... lets play.... what changes do you think need to be made. And before you start... you should keep in mind that we have some of the lowest over-all homicide rates in the whole damn world. And you should also keep in mind that more people are struck by lightning every year than are killed with rifles. All rifles of all types.

So give that... yes... tell us all about how we need to make changes.



@36 Shhhhh facts will just confuse him.

That's right. Drop Chicago, Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Detroit and we go 4th to the bottom for gun murders in the world.

The media is freaked about bump stocks. We need to ban belt loops darn it! (Language warning on the vid)

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 9:51 PM  

"Wow, again , who said I support disarming?"

you did.

You may have noticed... we're pretty hardcore about gun rights here. Your bullshit isn't tolerated. Not in the slightest.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 9:52 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:but to say it’s a slippery slope to total disarmament is not true.
You want to set the government up as a gateway that can decide, on an individual basis, whether or not anyone can own a gun? On the basis of social media posts? You know how this works, right? Well, obviously not.
Face it, you're moron. you're utterly incapable of reasoning beyond intent to even 1st-order effects, let alone the way your proposal would be exploited by your enemies.
Face it, 5-D chess is not your game. Content yourself with chanting slogans, it's all you're fit for.

Blogger bw February 20, 2018 9:52 PM  

Trump falls for the media blitz... or at least appears to do so:

72DD chesst

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 9:54 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:Wow, again , who said I support disarming?

You did, right here:
Joshua Cole wrote:was improved background check me so that the psychological state of someone could be cleared to some degree to know they aren’t being seen by a psychiatrist for violent behavior, or maybe a scan of their social media accounts for red flags, like “i want to kill everyone”.

Blogger Lazarus February 20, 2018 9:55 PM  

This needs to happen nationwide:

In 2014, motivated in part by the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the Argyle Independent School District began allowing staff members to carry guns on school grounds after “intense interviews and training” in an effort to mitigate the threat from a potential mass shooting.

Argyle Independent School District Police Chief Paul Cairney appeared on MSNBC over the weekend and discussed the steps staff must take in order to carry a firearm on the campus, and he was asked if he was concerned for the safety of students due to the presence of firearms.

Cairney noted that the practice of allowing armed staff is highly controlled, stating that when it comes to school shooting the “time to do nothing is over.” A recent WFAA-TV report explained the process to carry a firearm in the Argyle Independent School District:

To become a school marshal, those employees must undergo extensive active shooter and firearms training with the state. They must also undergo a mental health evaluation.

They receive a school marshal designation by the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement and must renew their license every two years by undergoing the same training and evaluation.

Outside of campuses in Keene and Argyle, signs warn visitors that there are staff members who are armed and are prepared to protect children.

“We handpicked these people, we make sure they go through an extensive screening process. They go through a psychological evaluation and then I go through an intense training where they shoot over 900 rounds of ammunition and just a few days,” Cairney told Fox4 News.

To critics of arming teachers, Cairney said, “If you think of something better, let us know. We’re willing to listen, but at the same time, the day of doing nothing is over.”

Blogger Matthew February 20, 2018 9:55 PM  

I don't believe I've ever seen Joshua Cole comment here before.

Which means he is almost certainly a Jewish homosexual Israeli college student shill.

Blogger Rick February 20, 2018 9:55 PM  

I think I’ll buy one of each now just out of spite.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 9:56 PM  

Which means he is almost certainly a Jewish homosexual Israeli college student shill.

No no no he's clearly founding stock descendent. Like Obama.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 9:57 PM  

Oh look an FNG

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:58 PM  

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 9:58 PM  

We don't care. Fuck off.

Blogger pdwalker February 20, 2018 9:59 PM  

Joshua, which part of the 2nd amendment are you having trouble understanding?

Blogger Matthew February 20, 2018 10:00 PM  

Fucker can't even get his trolling straight.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:01 PM  

' If so, aren’t you now saying America is an idea and not a people since the immigrants agree with your Creed? '

Hey faggot. Kennedy was a european. His bullshit immigration changes got us into this mess.

Listen carefully... just being a white guy from england doesn't cut it. Start your commie bullshit and its a helicopter ride for you.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 10:02 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius February 20, 2018 10:02 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:Wow, again , who said I support disarming?

We are.

You are aware that this is the site that pretty invented the term Cuckservative aren't you?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 10:02 PM  

Joshua Cole: One Messed Up Gun Control Faggot.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:02 PM  

its times like these when I need to be able to post 40k heresy memes.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 10:03 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:Need clarification again...what if a large group of non Europeans supported some type of change to background checks, but a large group of people from third world countries supported your position...would you then deport the Europeans and keep the Third world immigrants?

Look, you're really not smart enough for this ploy. It just doesn't work for you.Get your 1/8 English ass to aliyah, now. Next year, Jerusalem!

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:05 PM  

"I meant European Americans, Americans with European ancestors, not non Europeans. Pretty glaring error there."

Jesus Christ. Are you this fucking stupid? KENNEDY you stupid fuck. He was an american senator. Born in America. Of European ancestry. Irish to be specific.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2018 10:06 PM  

The new troll should meditate on "Because fuck you, that's why."

Blogger Matthew February 20, 2018 10:06 PM  

Tell us, "Joshua Cole", how you found this blog post. Are you a long time reader?

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 10:08 PM  

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Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:08 PM  

@49. Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 9:46 PM
"I never said disarm."

But you did say, "...so adjusting some of these gun laws and 2nd amendment interpretations seems reasonable..."

How are you going to "adjust" the 2nd Amendment so that it doesn't lead to confiscation?

"I don’t at all support confiscation."

Next time lead with that. But if you were am American you would know how stupid you sound.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 10:09 PM  

Obscene Irish

Blogger pdwalker February 20, 2018 10:09 PM  

Either way, he’s either grossly ignorant of even modern history, or an ignorant shill.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:10 PM  

"Where did I say I support disarmament? It seems to me that by your logic if I say you shouldn’t be able to buy a tank, I support disarmament."

So you're saying I shouldn't be able to buy a tank?

Again. This is how you get helicopter rides.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 10:10 PM  

Real name: Yoav Coleowitz-Hebestein.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 10:12 PM  

M60E4 BRINGS ALL THE CHICKS TO THE RAMP

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:14 PM  

" No one is saying ban guns. Dipshit."

They're literally saying ban every different type of gun, let alone some types, you egregiously lying sad little sack.

"The futz about banning 'bump stocks' which haven't actually been used in any crime is just a way to ban all guns at once through the back door."

This is what we've been talking about since people first started talk about banning bump stocks, for those not in the know.

"We’re living in chaos where access to these weapons by the most unstable can create more danger for our people."

So push armament of the stable people, you idiot. Don't disarm them when you know perfectly well the unstables will get them one way or another if they try hard enough. Heck, you can home-make them.

"are you really saying those who had founding stock ancestors need to go back to England"

If they're traitorous cucks, the options are either get the fuck out or prepare for shallow interment. Your choice.

"No one needs high capacity fully automatic lightning with thunder bump stocks"

No one needs sexy pecs and abs either, but they're awesome to have and use, haha.

"Odd how you use God and perverse obscene insults without seeing the irony."

You should see how people around here feel about taking the Lord's name in vain, you faggot.

"Wow, again , who said I support disarming?"

You did. Just because you don't immediately support all types of disarmament does not mean you support none, and you irrefutably support some forms.

Blogger SDH February 20, 2018 10:15 PM  

I have no doubt about the i intelligence of you guys, but if your go to more of rebuttal is “fuck off moron”, you”re not using that IQ very well.

You don't know what infringe means, so fuck off moron.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:15 PM  

Armor, the only way to fly in a laser anti-aircraft weapon world!

I support Nate's right to have a nuke and a tank. I support his right to have a nuclear tank.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 10:17 PM  

So you're saying I shouldn't be able to buy a tank?

He doesn't want you to be happy.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:17 PM  

"by your logic if I say you shouldn’t be able to buy a tank, I support disarmament."

Our logic appears to be in perfect working order. Here, let me use the store intercom to call your mommy to come get you, I can tell you're lost.

Blogger CoolHand February 20, 2018 10:18 PM  

@83 We're not trying to persuade you, we're saying that if you want to try to infringe our rights any more, you can fuck right off, and if you attempt to disarm us, you're liable to get shot in the face.

The time for "rational discussion" passed about 400 infringements back. No more negotiating to give away our liberties one little piece at a time.

Take your "reasonable discussion" and jam it up your ass, we're done talking.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:19 PM  

"I’m honestly open to a pursuasive argument here but the tone is making it impossible."

I don't care. in fact... I'm certain no one here cares.

We're not here to persuade you. I've pointed out several relevant facts to you. If you don't like the tone or delivery... well... you should consider your situation.

You just did the equivalent of walking into a bar in Tuscaloosa with a shirt on that says "NICK SABAN IS A FAGGOT".

You do something like that... you should expect to leave in an ambulance with "Roll Tide" stamped on your forehead.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:19 PM  

Clean up on the feminine hygiene aisle!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 10:21 PM  

Nate, you're giving Yoav Coleowitz-Hebestein too much credit expecting him to know who Nick Saban is.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:21 PM  

"Nate, you're giving Yoav Coleowitz-Hebestein too much credit expecting him to know who Nick Saban is."

bait.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:22 PM  

The Ilk and Dread Ilk are squashing douche bags again!

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 10:23 PM  

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:25 PM  

Here are the rebuttals: Firearms are already the most regulated consumer product in america and it isn't even close. Our rights, which are not to be infringed, have been trampled. And you... at time when we need those rights more than ever... are suggesting we need to trample those rights just a little more.

But I have already asked you once... so I will ask one more time. What are these restrictions you think would make a difference?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:25 PM  

"I can see where you guys could be paranoid about that"

If a rat is watching a snake creep up on it, and it doesn't want the snake any closer, the rat is not, in fact, paranoid.

"Was honestly looking for a good rebuttal."

The original and most fundamental rebuttal is "try it and I'll blow your head off".

Blogger Lazarus February 20, 2018 10:25 PM  

@50

Fool.

You don't give ground on something like this. This is an extremely dangerous moment because it threatens to redefine what is or is not a machine gun.


After researching the definition of machine gun, I am more sympathetic to your point.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 10:26 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:I’m honestly open to a pursuasive argument here but the tone is making it impossible. I
No you're not open to any kind of reasonable persuasion. You see, unlike Cucks, we've learned from the last 75 or more years of political history.

Every call for "reasonable discussion" and "reasonable concessions" turns out to be both a call for and an excuse for abject, absolute surrender. Every time, no exceptions. When you come her demanding "reasonable discussion" you are demanding we treat your pathetic , intellectually meagre mewlings as if they were reasonable, limited, and honest. They are none of the above.
We don't concede the need for even a discussion. There's nothing to discuss. Even the idea of a "reasonable discussion" is anathema. It's like having an ecumenical prayer service with Episcopalians. It's not only pointless, it only serves the purposes of the enemy.
You're incredibly wrong, you're incredibly anti-American, and, frankly, you're quite credibly stupid.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:27 PM  

Okay, I'll touch the poop. Joshua, how would you rewrite the 2nd Amendment? What do you think it should say?

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:29 PM  

"After researching the definition of machine gun, I am more sympathetic to your point."

excellent. its a bigger deeper issue than people understand. it isn't about a parlor trick of hooking you finger in a belt loop. its about what "automatic" and "Semi-automatic" mean.

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:30 PM  

"If a rat is watching a snake creep up on it, and it doesn't want the snake any closer, the rat is not, in fact, paranoid."

I mean just because I'm paranoid does not mean they aren't out to get me.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 20, 2018 10:31 PM  

This guy is EARNING his paycheck. You got give him credit for that.

No jack-wagon. You won't convince us to surrender by inches because that is what the conservative movement DID WITH EVERY FUCKING THING.

Assuming you are an actual conservative, you useless shits conserved nothing and lost everything.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:31 PM  

"Seems more like a Hells Angels bar though."

Damn skippy.

but don't get your bow tie to wadded up. I mean I didn't even call you sugartits.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:32 PM  

They are out to get you, Nate. I heard them whispering about it.

Okay, we've heard your mea culpa. Now answer the questions, Joshua.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:32 PM  

"Vox is brilliant and explains things very well. I didn’t think bringing up a counterpoint and discussing it would make me a SjW in here."

What part of "The most fundamental argument against any degree of disarmament is "Try it and I'll blow your head off""do you not understand? It's literally the most basic argument. I own weapons because I refuse to let anyone take them away from me.

Blogger Cederq February 20, 2018 10:33 PM  

Should have called him "Sugartits..."

Blogger Jack Amok February 20, 2018 10:33 PM  

Where did I say I support disarmament?

Look, dumbass, how stupid are you, or how stupid do you think we are? If you are not a shilling troll, then you have to be profoundly stupid to have not noticed the 7 decade war the gun grabbers have been waging, one camel nose under the tent after another. Everything is "for the children" and "seems reasonable" but they all have the same set of objectives:

1 - Make it difficult, expensive and onerous to own and practice using firearms
2 - Thereby leading to fewer gun owners and fewer people comfortable around guns
3 - thereby leading to reduced resistance to confiscation.

of course if you're a troll then you want to try and distract us from that plan.

So which are you? Moron or troll?

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:33 PM  

Look... I offer some perspective. Most of us are so hard core on gun rights... that we don't belong to the NRA because we consider it to be a pro-gun control organization.

Savvy?

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:34 PM  

"They are out to get you, Nate. I heard them whispering about it."

dude you wouldn't believe how many lists I'm on.

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:35 PM  

"one camel nose under the tent after another"

It's the narrow end of the camel. Every time.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 20, 2018 10:35 PM  

Who exactly does Joshua want disarmed? It's what gun control is, now or later it all comes down to disarmament.

Okay disarm Chicago, Democratic pisshole that it is

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:36 PM  

"Earlier I said...”improved background check so that the psychological state of someone could be cleared to some degree to know they aren’t being seen by a psychiatrist for violent behavior"

This already exists. So, option number one then. Just stupid.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 10:36 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:I admit it wast totally thought out and admitted it might not do much, but still wanted to be shown why that was no different than disarmament.
Who, whom, capisce?

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:38 PM  

"..”improved background check so that the psychological state of someone could be cleared to some degree to know they aren’t being seen by a psychiatrist for violent behavior, or maybe a scan of their social media accounts for red flags, like “i want to kill everyone”. "

Ok. We already do this. This is already part of the background check.

Next.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:38 PM  

'
This already exists. So, option number one then. Just stupid.'

now now... settle down. ignorant and stupid are not the same thing. one is an insult the other isn't.

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Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 10:39 PM  

Both are still in play

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:39 PM  

"ignorant and stupid are not the same thing"

Ignorant is not knowing it coming in.

Stupid is not bothering to goolag it after things got hot.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 10:40 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:You don’t attack someone who is walking in your direction and looking for answers along the way.
If you don't want to be attacked, to attack in the first place.
And the natural rejoinder is "I didn't attack you!"

But you did.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:40 PM  

"You don’t attack someone who is walking in your direction and looking for answers along the way. "

mate... when you start jabbering gun control at us... you ain't walking in our direction.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 10:42 PM  

I think it's safe to say that Jack Ward would not stand with Joav Coleowitz-Hebestein .

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:42 PM  

here's the deal. There is virtual certainty that all of the rules you think would be good to implement... have already been implemented.

You just don't know that because you've never sat down and familiarized yourself with the thousands... yes... THOUSANDS... of federal gun regulations.

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Blogger Koanic February 20, 2018 10:43 PM  

> He doesn't want you to be happy.

Is it still an assault tank if it's pink? What if it has a bumper sticker that says it identifies as a sailboat?

Blogger VFM #7634 February 20, 2018 10:43 PM  

"you should keep in mind that we have some of the lowest over-all homicide rates in the whole damn world"

@Nate
The problem is that gun-grabbers are always citing European homicide statistics... and ignoring the Latin American stats, even though gun control in Latin America is as onerous as in Europe.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:44 PM  

"If we do it, how did it miss Kruz?"

See, that's another problem. The laws and systems we already have aren't being enforced or properly utilized. With this going on, more laws isn't going to help you no matter what.

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Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:45 PM  

"dude you wouldn't believe how many lists I'm on."

I am sure I am on only a subset of yours. Though I do know a guy on the SPLC list. Super guy, great patriot, great scholar, great father, great Christian. Everything SPLC hates I guess.

But Joshua was about to enlighten us with his 2nd Amendment revision.....

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:46 PM  

"gun-grabbers are always citing European homicide statistics"

European firearm homicide. If they were to cite knifings, baseball-bat violence, and blunt-force trauma murders you get a rather different story.

Never mind acid attack statistics in present-day.

Blogger Jack Amok February 20, 2018 10:47 PM  

It's the narrow end of the camel. Every time.

But there's always an ass pushing from the other end, isn't there?

Ok. We already do this. This is already part of the background check.

Who was the recent shooter that bought guns even though he had red flags from his military service, but .Mil never managed to forward the paperwork?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:48 PM  

Stop doubling down, Joshie. We explained multiple times, and you refused to accept the explanations. Don't pretend you're the victim. If you do, you'll get victimized.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 20, 2018 10:49 PM  

Who was the recent shooter that bought guns even though he had red flags from his military service, but .Mil never managed to forward the paperwork?

The Sutherland springs church shooter.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:49 PM  

"So on the issue of gun control there is no discussion, not even explaining to someone who wrestling with it? Just agree with us or shut up? Gotcha."

Just answer the questions. And many have been explaining it to you, but, to quote Foghorn Leghorn, "I keep pitchin' 'em and you keep missin' 'em."

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:50 PM  

"If we do it, how did it miss Kruz?"

Because mistakes happen. You think this was bad? The VaTech shooter had actually been forcibly institutionalized by a court! But somehow the state of virginia fucked up the reporting and the info didn't get to the FBI and the system failed.

Laws don't solve these problems mate. They just make normal people felons.

you want to stop this? Put 4 to 6 heavily armed guards at every school in the country.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 10:50 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:How did I attack you?
When you asserted that it would be a good idea for a government functionary to determine based on social media postings that we should have our guns taken away.

You're not really able to follow a thought very far are you?

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:52 PM  

'And do the current laws have any aspect of social media. '

Law enforcement relies on people to call them and give them a heads up. that's where social media comes in. But as we see... sometimes they drop the ball.

But... if they drop the ball... and there are 6 guards at the school with m4 carbines... well then its not quite a deal breaker is it?

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Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:53 PM  

Nate said, "Put 4 to 6 heavily armed guards at every school in the country."

This. It could have been done after Columbine, but then the tragedy of school shootings would be reduced and then how would the Commies get to ban firearms?

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 10:55 PM  

Good God you're a faggot

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Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:55 PM  

The argument against it is that it would take away a Democrat talking point and not have to deal with the talks issues of overmedicated kids and fatherless boys.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 10:55 PM  

'Is that last suggestion real or sarcastic? I like it. What’s the argument against that?'

talking about the guards? No its real. its the only thing that would even remotely have a chance of working.

Letting admin and teachers carry would help but people don't realize how few teachers are willing to do so. Most educators are actively rejecting the notion of carrying in school.

no... we have to have professionals. Pipe Hitters.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:56 PM  

"So is a discussion on how these laws are not being enforced open?"

Sure, but cut the loaded questions already.

"And do the current laws have any aspect of social media."

Social media are still being integrated even at the societal level as a phenomena, and all indications are that many or most are gonna die soon anyway.

The more fundamental problem of ISIS supporters on social media in the US, can you tell me what it is? There's a much more fundamental problem than ISIS supporters being visible on social media.

On top of that, if you put social media party-political-officers in charge of vetting people for behavior prior to buying firearms...?!?!?!!11eleven? That's so ridiculously, suicidally stupid it's not even funny.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 10:56 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:How did I attack you?
When you asserted that it would be reasonable to have a discussion on how much of our God-given rights should be taken away. Especially when that's exactly the approach that's been used consistently, aided by the useless Conservatives, to endlessly infringe our rights already.

Would you go into a forum catering to Blacks and expect them to react dispassionately to suggestions that perhaps it was time to discuss reasonable restrictions to the slavery ban?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 10:57 PM  

"You guys are so sjw paranoid you can’t even talk to anyone like a normal person."

If by your logic, doubling down makes you an SJW, you're an SJW by your own logic.

Blogger S. Thermite February 20, 2018 10:57 PM  

I used to go out of my way to argue with any idiot claiming we need more gun control laws, but now I just sit back and laugh at them for their willful ignorance and lack of critical thinking on a topic that's been hashed-out ad nauseam for decades. Flat-Earthers do more research than these retards.

It's actually kinda cute they think this latest school shooting will have any effect on 2A when the only thing unique about it is the FBI and local law enforcement had numerous advance warnings about the murderer yet chose to do nothing.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 20, 2018 10:57 PM  

"What am I sully to be answering?"

The ones people have been asking you. Make the most pointer thing point at the slider thing on the right hand of the window. Push it up until you find the questions. You can do it if you try.

Blogger Jack Amok February 20, 2018 10:58 PM  

But isn’t a background check already some type of 2nd amendment infringement?

Yes, they are, and they're not working. Except to do what I pointed out above, make it more expensive and onerous to own a firearm.

Cruz had someone call the effin' FBI to say he was a threat. Specifically that he talked about shooting up a school. Maybe the one he just got kicked out of.

Is that the sort of thing you'd suggest might cause someone to fail a background check? Well... maybe it already would, if the proper authorities didn't screw the pooch and drop the ball.

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 11:00 PM  

"Well you’re saying more than I said and to take a question as an attack on you makes all discussion that has disagreement impossible."

dude. move on.

But yes... to an extent you're correct. We're entirely closed minded about this. We are completely unwilling to even discuss the possibility of further infringement.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 11:01 PM  

"to take a question as an attack on you makes all discussion that has disagreement impossible."

Ey mon, yo dotta's cute ain't she. She come wit me to da club?

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 11:02 PM  

I saw a headline on Drudge on this story, "Are Boys Broken". How foolish, typical media garbage. Yes, Cruz was broken. But several other boys and men threw themselves in the path of the bullets or held open doors and stayed behind so their classmates could escape.

Cruz was broken, but those boys and men were lions.

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 11:03 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:Well you’re saying more than I said and to take a question as an attack on you makes all discussion that has disagreement impossible.
We're not open to discussion. Try it and we'll fuking kill you.

Joshua Cole wrote:Why not answer productively like Nate and Felix instead of being lazy fucking loser?
Call me a fool, but I keep expecting you to be able to fill in the blanks. I guess that's a vain hope.

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Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 11:05 PM  

So far I see one stupid person in this discussion, and he ain't on my side....

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 11:05 PM  

"If you can’t see that I’m legit asking questions and not doubling down on an argument then you’re either not reading or very stupid."

You're legit getting answers too, so stop asking the same questions, and don't get butthurt when you get called on being woefully ignorant... you are indeed woefully ignorant.

Blogger CoolHand February 20, 2018 11:06 PM  

@155 Mostly because you are asshole #9,754,567 to suggest these "common sense" restrictions that would lead inevitably to us having to fight a damned civil war.

Your ignorance and gullibility for leftist anti-gun lies do not prove us unreasonable or incapable of debate.

We're just tired of trying to bring fools like you up to speed while you continuously hurl stupidities at us.

Ergo, the default response to someone so woefully uninformed as you is, "Fuck you. Next question."

If you want to have a big boy discussion, how about you go do your homework first.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 11:06 PM  

'If you can’t see that I’m legit asking questions and not doubling down on an argument then you’re either not reading or very stupid.'


So again... what questions do you have?

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 11:10 PM  

"The ongoing lazy insults are a bad reflection on this group."

If they're accurate...

That being said, if you don't want lazy insults, you should probably do your homework instead of expecting other people to do it for you while popping a superior attitude.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 20, 2018 11:10 PM  

He's asking the ATF to review them. The media is trying to turn Trump's base again. Lies as always.

I'll bet there's something in the works. I predict this will become a bill, but the leftists will try to attach so much of their disarmament agenda to it they'll nuke their own victory. Pretty much what happened to DACA with dreamers harassing Chuckie Schumer.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 11:11 PM  

" The ongoing lazy insults are a bad reflection on this group. Wasted IQ."

you under-estimate the entertainment value of stomping the shit out of someone.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 20, 2018 11:12 PM  

Why do the Eastern European nationalist countries not see the 2nd amendment like you guys? Left over Soviet brainwashing? I mean they make AKs over there so why don’t the citizens want them? Do they see the government on their side so they don’t see their leaders like you see Pelosi and McCain?

Blogger Dave February 20, 2018 11:13 PM  

@Joshua maybe you could explain in light of the information in this article why any of us here should believe just one more gun law would make a difference? They already weren't arresting students for criminal offenses and further the cops were lying, hiding evidence, and falsifying documents. But you would have law-abiding citizens give up more of our rights for your feelz.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/

In 2012 and 2013 while doing research into the Trayvon Martin shooting we discovered an alarming set of school policies being enacted in Miami-Dade and Broward County Florida. The policies were called “diversionary programs” and were essentially about stopping High School students from being arrested. Law enforcement was instructed to avoid arrests and defer criminal conduct to school administrators.

Students who engaged in violence, drug sales, robberies, burglaries, theft and other various crimes were intentionally kept out of the criminal justice system. County administrators and School Superintendents told local and county law enforcement officers to stop arresting students.

Unfortunately, the school board mandated policies came into conflict with law and order. The problem of the conflicted policy -vs- legality worsened over time as the police excused much more than misdemeanor crimes. Over time this culminated in police officers falsifying documents, hiding criminal activity, lying on official police reports and even hiding stolen merchandise police retrieved from high school students.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2018 11:15 PM  

*A man walks into a martial arts meet, says "who's the baddest motha here?" and gets matched against a featherweight who proceeds to clean his clock. He then goes running straight to the largest guy in sight and says "Come at me bro! Come at me!".*

*Said man is then surprised at becoming a human pinball.*

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 11:16 PM  

Low energy, SAD

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 11:17 PM  

here's the problem. The people that say we need more gun laws are almost entirely ignorant of the gun laws we already have in place. I mean we have senators on the floor of the senate proposing legislation... THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

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Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 11:25 PM  

"Just to clarify, you guys get trolls and stomp them, got it. But do you stomp everyone if they don’t immediately agree or was it that I unfortunately cAme across as a troll in my first post? "

we do get a lot of trolls mate. A lot. And they often start their routine with a post similar in tone to the one you posted. Which is why so many of us immediately jumped into "EAT SHIT FAGGOT" mode.

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 11:26 PM  

that said we disagree on all sorts of things. For example... Vox loves soccer and Italian shoes which are both obviously gay... and we tell him so a lot.

Blogger Dave February 20, 2018 11:29 PM  

and drinks with umbrellas...or so I've heard

Blogger Nate February 20, 2018 11:30 PM  

'and drinks with umbrellas...or so I've heard'

true story.

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Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 11:33 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:For you guys to say fuck off to anyone open to being pointed is counterproductive.
You're not everyone. You're not ANYONE. Saying you're open, and presenting yourself as open are two different things. You presented yourself as Yet Another Concerned Citizen that merely wants to have Yet Another Discussion on how our rights are too dangerous.

Just to clarify, you guys get trolls and stomp them, got it. But do you stomp everyone if they don’t immediately agree or was it that I unfortunately cAme across as a troll in my first post? Just trying to understand this group a little more.
Of COURSE you are. Just an innocent little question. "Just Askin'"

As Kathy Shaidel likes to say, nobody is ever "just asking".

Blogger c0pperheaded February 20, 2018 11:33 PM  

Zero chance that Josh Cole is real

Blogger Danby February 20, 2018 11:34 PM  

Joshua Cole wrote:I got go to bed now, but would love to hear about or be pointed to some good info on how the 2nd amendment is relevant in light of the fact that we have no militias now, especially no state militias that could make any defense against a federal force. You can defend a house with a handgun or shotgun and hunt with a rifle or shotgun, so needing an AR or AK really is more like with the militia argument, but since they don’t exist, what do you see their applicable role as? A economic collapse mad max world or something else?
And as he flounces off, he reveals his gun-grabber bona fides.
Nice save, faggot.

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Blogger allyn71 February 20, 2018 11:44 PM  

"I got go to bed now, but would love to hear about or be pointed to some good info on how the 2nd amendment is relevant in light of the fact that we have no militias now, especially no state militias that could make any defense against a federal force."

Were you born stupid or did something happen that made you this way.

GITFO here you slimy little bitch, you have no interest in learning or debating. Your a dishonest liar.

Blogger Koanic February 20, 2018 11:45 PM  

If he thinks he has the right to regulate my personal weaponry, then I think I have the right to regulate his personal lifespan. He can vote his way and I'll vote mine.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2018 11:46 PM  

Nate wrote:Look... I offer some perspective. Most of us are so hard core on gun rights... that we don't belong to the NRA because we consider it to be a pro-gun control organization.

Savvy?


Yes, this. The troll needs to meditate on ``Because fuck you, that's why.''

Blogger Dave February 20, 2018 11:47 PM  

@Joshua

For starters, can you tell me the functional differences between a hunting rifle and an AR-15?

Blogger c0pperheaded February 20, 2018 11:48 PM  

Or you are in high school

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OpenID Sidehill Dodger February 20, 2018 11:55 PM  

I'm in favor of outlawing insanity. People in a local community should have a say in who is free to run around and buy dangerous weapons like cars, guns, and chainsaws. Yeah, I know, bad "because statism". Bullshit. The community--and I do mean the community at a local level--should have a way of reporting and dealing with dangerous crazy people. And by "dealing with" I do not mean "give them drugs and let them roam free". I mean lock them up, or make them wear electronic ankle bracelets, or whatever works.

In the past (like the 1950s), we had a way of locking up crazy people. Unfortunately, it resulted in a huge bureaucracy that grew fat on the industry of locking up people. Excesses, as always, have to be avoided. But that doesn't mean the germ of the idea wasn't good.

The last thing I want is a Federal Mental Health Police. (Shudder). But we should make laws at the State and lower levels that handle craziness. Problems will arise, but I think it will be a win, overall.

But it would be hard. It would take serious thought. So it won't happen.

Blogger Dave February 20, 2018 11:56 PM  

So the differences are cosmetic?

Blogger CoolHand February 20, 2018 11:57 PM  

@184 The "militia" is every able bodied man between the ages of 15 and 50 (probably more like 65 these days).

Doesn't need or desire the blessing of gov't to exist, self assembles and disperses as the need arises, defends the local area in the event of whatever happens to occur.

Still as relevant now as it was 250 years ago.

But leave that aside for the moment.

God didn't grant us the right to self defense only if we act in groups called militias. That right is an individual right, regardless of what the gov't may or may not say about it.

Individuals have the right to defend their lives and their property with the very best tools they can procure.

Auto loading firearms with the largest magazine they can reliably function with are the most useful and effective tools for defense currently known to mankind. Full stop.

To deny their use to your countrymen because you do not understand them or because you are fearful and weak is one of the greater sins you could commit.

If you don't want to defend yourself, that's fine, but I am unwilling to allow your cowardice to hobble my own defense of me and mine.

At this point we circle back to the whole, "if you try to take them we'll shoot you in the face" portion of the program.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 20, 2018 11:58 PM  

Joshua Cole (((if that is your real name))), go forth with the blessings of St. Felicia.

Blogger Joshua Cole February 21, 2018 12:00 AM  

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