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Monday, February 05, 2018

Sound advice, sound parenting

A reader has pulled his son out of Scouting:
My son has been in Cub Scouts the past two years, and I had already made the decision to take him out of the program due to questionable decisions that the national leadership had made. On Saturday, I saw something that made me very glad for that, and worried for one of the other troops in the state.

Last Saturday, there was a march to the state capitol along with a rally afterwards. Lots of troops and dens were there, but a couple of guys with one of the troops were getting selfies with the capitol building in the background...and were holding a United Federation of Planets flag.

Conclusion: If you have a kid in any sort of program, BE INVOLVED so that you can see what's going on with your own eyes, and act as appropriate.
Scouts and Star Trek... really not a good combination.

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53 Comments:

Anonymous Iacobus February 05, 2018 3:36 PM  

What were the march and rally for? The organization itself? I was halfway expecting it for something as dumb as "gay rights" or something.

RE: The United Federation of Planets flag: If that's not proof that they're living in fantasy land, nothing is.

Anonymous Sarchasm February 05, 2018 3:38 PM  

Wow, you're really blowing the cover off this thing.

Thanks for bringing this important news to the people.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 05, 2018 3:43 PM  

*cues up "Banditos"*

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 05, 2018 3:44 PM  

@Sarchasm, are you going to be on the end of that line when it's finished reeling in?

Blogger CM February 05, 2018 3:50 PM  

My kid is in Trail Life now. So far, not too bad.

Anonymous JAG February 05, 2018 3:51 PM  

Talk about red flags. Good decision by the reader.

Blogger Silly but True February 05, 2018 3:56 PM  

Texas? The red-haired boy with the lipstick looks particularly Eagle-Scout worthy:
http://photoblog.statesman.com/wp-content/uploads/rbz-Boy-Scout-Parade-20.jpg

Anonymous patrick kelly February 05, 2018 4:00 PM  

At least the Bolsheviks and Maoists didn't push this crap. Merkin' sjw commie bastards got their own brand of multicolored crap they peddle.

Blogger Jed Mask February 05, 2018 4:01 PM  

Good. Parenting is a *DICTATORSHP*. Kids must be supervised and commanded at all times. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger Matthew February 05, 2018 4:06 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:@Sarchasm, are you going to be on the end of that line when it's finished reeling in?

I wonder how many levels of proxy he used to make that comment. We could be tracking IPs, you know.

Blogger Nate February 05, 2018 4:09 PM  

when you're homeschooling the scouts provide a tempting option. it checks a lot of boxes. it took 1 meeting of cub scouts to show us how completely useless scouting had become... and that was way back in 2009. I can only imagine how much worse it is now.

Anonymous Mayonnaise February 05, 2018 4:09 PM  

My old scout troop, waaaay back in the day, was sponsored by my Lutheran church, and had an ex-Marine D.I. as the troop leader. None of that balsa-wood racing car stuff for us; we did survival camping, learned how to technical climb, and even did a little self-defense stuff. We would make camp, then get up at 3 in the morning so that we could summit a fourteener before the lightning storms set in.

Clint, one of my best friends, put a hatchet into his ankle while chopping firewood. Back then stuff like that happened. Today it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Some of the best memories of my childhood were in Scouts. It's a shame what "they've done to the place."

Blogger Glenn Phillips February 05, 2018 4:12 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2jWZp9-qlo

49:30 ish

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 05, 2018 4:15 PM  

There letting girls into Boy Scouts now. So its pretty much destroyed now.

Anonymous Tsalal February 05, 2018 4:16 PM  

@ Patrick Kelly

So true. http://stalin.politifake.org/image/political/1611/communism-the-ultimate-failed-policy-communism-stalin-hitler-politics-1478048059.jpg

Anonymous BoomerCon February 05, 2018 5:01 PM  

I am onboard with Trump but going after Star Wars, Star Trek and the NFL is a bridge too far.

Blogger Thucydides February 05, 2018 5:04 PM  

Baden Powell Scouts: https://www.bpsa-us.org

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 05, 2018 5:08 PM  

You do realize that "a bridge too far" is a reference to enemy, specifically Nazi, territory, yes?

Blogger horsewithnonick February 05, 2018 5:31 PM  

You've got it backwards; Star Wars, Star Trek, and the NFL came after us first.

Anonymous JAG February 05, 2018 5:36 PM  

Speaking of the G-E:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-democrats-un-american-treasonous-for-not-applauding-state-of-the-union-speech/article/2648145

Now that is some grand rhetoric with the sting of truth behind it.

Blogger Latigo3 February 05, 2018 5:38 PM  

It angers me that this is what has become of the Boy Scouts. When I was in the Boy Scouts it was all dads that were involved, even the most alcoholic of dads were part of this (mine included). I thank God for the Boy Scouts of my youth, my old Scout Master was a US Army officer in the Korean War and I remember he used to tell the story about how he was there when MacArthur was notified that he was fired; both of the Scout Master's sons were Eagle Scouts.
I don't think they would allow have of those fathers from back then to be involved in Scouting today. My father was a passive alcoholic and being involved with other men who were not passive was a great model for me.
Those men pushed and didn't allow excuses, we canoed down the Colorado River, we swam in the ocean, we rode catamarans, I was able to garner enough self-confidence that earning the Mile Swim Badge was not a problem.
Now we have the idiots in charge. Every generation needs to confront evil, through words and actions.

Blogger Michael Maier February 05, 2018 5:53 PM  

Nate wrote:when you're homeschooling the scouts provide a tempting option. it checks a lot of boxes. it took 1 meeting of cub scouts to show us how completely useless scouting had become... and that was way back in 2009. I can only imagine how much worse it is now.

My nephew said RE: Cub Scouts a decade or so ago:

"It's just like school."

Says it all, really.

Blogger Dexter February 05, 2018 5:55 PM  

Was that the Forry Ackerman Memorial Troop?

Blogger Lovekraft February 05, 2018 6:04 PM  

Should have marched up to the Fed of Planets flagwaver and asked him 'what's the deal?' Get him to explain himself, get into details. Make him squirm.

Blogger pyrrhus February 05, 2018 6:06 PM  

Shortly after my oldest son started Boy Scouts, they instituted the Citizen of the World merit badge...A number of us referred to it as Citizen of the Galaxy...But the rot wasn't too deep yet, and his troop did a lot of great trips, hikes, canoeing, Philmont, all of which he loved...He gave up on Eagle when they made it a bureaucratic nightmare....Very sad to see such a great and valuable institution destroyed

Anonymous Matvei Daniilovoch February 05, 2018 6:27 PM  

When I was a boy my father didn’t like the direction the Troop was headed in... so he started his own. In our small town we had double the boys of the original group within a couple of years.

Blogger LordSomber February 05, 2018 6:36 PM  

Maybe the Scouts need their own Prime Directive.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 05, 2018 6:39 PM  

Can't wait for the sexual abuse lawsuits to roll in.

I am eager to comment on articles and call the parents who knowingly left their kids in Scouts stupid sons of bitches.

Blogger Phillip George February 05, 2018 6:47 PM  

On the caving camp a couple of years ago we went through bits where you had to turn your head sideways to fit through. You couldn't turn around once you'd started. At least one guy was too physically big to go through at all. Crawling with your belly on the ground and having to decide to squeeze through arms first or head first because once in you couldn't get a hand past your head.

It was the most challenging thing I've ever done; apart from night flying or hull penetration dives maybe [ but those were not with scouts] It is incredibly easy to get lost in a cave system.

But 90 percent of what I've seen scouts take on is lame. Lawyered up/ risk averse.

It depends a lot on which troop you are with.

Like it depends which god is being prayed to...

Unfortunately Baden-Powell, like too many of his generation tried to avoid troubling details.

God is specific. Truth has detailed bits. If Scouting isn't a page in Christendom's greater works anthology then what chance does it have? If it ain't the rock of salvation, then it can fall for anything; which largely it has. Another Victim of sophistry.

Anonymous Mike Rock February 05, 2018 7:11 PM  

'57 to '62 with Cubs and Boy Sprouts. Our Den mothers were all WWII or Korea service vets, Scout Master decorated WWII and Korea. Rural area, we learned tracking, astronomy, code, you name it. Old blacksmith in town taught the smithing merit badge, beekeeping, gardening. Tough women and men..... we learned it all by doing and doing it again. Would not have missed it for the world. It was basic, boot camp, AIT...... God bless them.

So sad to see what's happened to Scouting...... have my 1948 Boy Scout Handbook yet. All we could afford back then. Oh, got the God and Country award too. :))
Preacher was a WWII Pacific front chaplin. He was tougher than .. well, tough.

Blogger Phillip George February 05, 2018 7:12 PM  

Quoting Baden-Powll

Religion seems a very simple thing:
First: Love and serve God. Second: Love and serve your neighbour.

In doing your duty to God always be grateful to him. Whenever you enjoy a pleasure or a good game, or succeed in doing a good thing, thank Him for it, if only with a word or two, just as you say grace at a meal. And it is a good thing to bless other people. For instance, if you see a train starting off, just pray for God's blessing on all that are in the train.

In doing your duty towards man, be helpful and generous, and also always be grateful for any kindness done to you, and be careful to show that you are grateful. Remember again that a present given to you is not yours until you have thanked the giver for it.

While you are living your life on this earth, try to do something good which may remain after you.



unquote.

ie. He was brought up immersed in Christedom and took the details so for granted he left no record of them. Exactly like the authors or the declaration of independence and the Constitution. Things were so self evident and obvious they never got stated and the following generation had not the slightest idea of them. cheers

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 7:27 PM  

When I was in girl scouts we would make jewelry, learn to cook, sell cookies, go on field trips to museums. It was the most memorable time of my childhood and we never missed nor wanted be with the boys. When you're that age you'd rather be seperated from the boys as its an awkward phase and you just don't need the distraction. It's a shame what's been done to these institutions by a minority of malcontents. Nothing is sacred. They just infect everything they touch.

Blogger Sean Carnegie February 05, 2018 7:41 PM  

@3
Everybody knows that the world is full of stupid people.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 05, 2018 7:42 PM  

Unrelated.

Carter Page was working undercover for the FBI in 2013?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/

Blogger Harry C February 05, 2018 8:01 PM  

I'll admit to an affection for the Original Series and no other version of Star Trek.

I recently picked up an old OS novel called 'Vulcan!' by Kathleen Skye. It's an extremely heavy-handed, but also simplistic, look at bigotry when an attractive guest scientist onboard displays an irrational hatred of Vulcans, much to the disappointment of Mr. Spock.

But what is worth mentioning is a scene where 'Bones' McCoy attempts to sleep with the guest scientist. Skype has McCoy acting totally out of 'southern gentleman' character and writes that he hoped she didn't have any bourgeois hang ups about casual sex. In light of this site's revelations about the sexual peccadilloes of sci fi writers, the scene came across even sleazier than they already did.

Blogger Cecil Henry February 05, 2018 8:02 PM  

Just to point out another example of this ongoing agenda:

Another possible victim of the SJW MeToo campaign.

It sure it me too.

Paikin is an avowed leftist. So they are eating one of their own here.


http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/tvos-steve-paikin-accused-of-sexual-harassment#comments

Blogger Phillip George February 05, 2018 8:33 PM  

the Scouts says it all about everywhere.....

Baden Powell could paraphrase quote Jesus and take it as a self evident axiomatic fact of life impervious to time and tide..

The fact that a Al Koran speaks of a different god and different fundamental obligations wouldn't have occurred to Lieutenant General Baden-Powell. Why would it? Who could take slave trading goat herders in Perpetual Povertystan seriously?

Transgender toilet privileges didn't rate high on First Baron Lord Robert's mind either..

And breast feeding and abortion rights never met with his thinking on equality and fraternity.

So there in one man is the entire decline and fall. It wasn't that he was a bad man or lazy man. He was herding cats as well as any man ever has. His horse nearly got to that spring rainbow and there was as much water in that summer horizon mirage as every other contained.

It is iconic metaphor that the boy scouts were being launched at the same time the Titanic Ship was being conceived of...

History was doing laps of the Atlantic in newly conceived of unsinkable ships.

Anonymous Stan Adams February 05, 2018 8:53 PM  

@32 Then again, Kirk wasn't exactly setting a good example for his crew.

A couple of years ago, there was a brilliant TNG Recut series on YouTube that depicted Picard & Co. as a demented band of bloodthirsty savages. The series was deleted by the copyright police, but has since been edited and reuploaded. Unfortunately, many of the edited clips aren't as funny as the old ones.

These two are mostly intact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGGYYrM55e4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfN9q31q_w

There was one featuring a scene from First Contact where Picard was speaking to a woman from the 21st century.

WOMAN
How much did this ship [the Enterprise] cost?

PICARD
The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century.

WOMAN
No money? You mean you don't get paid?

PICARD (in a low whisper)
We're *Marxists*.

(Patrick Stewart slightly overenunciated the word, making it that much funnier.)

Blogger tz February 05, 2018 9:08 PM  

@38 And "latinum" in ST:DS9?

Meanwhile, does DC comics stand for Deathwish Convergence

Blogger Kep Hartman February 05, 2018 9:39 PM  

Each Troop has its own ways. Sort of like a franchise. Not all are awful cesspits of convergence. Some are still focused on making boys into good men. While the long-term prognosis is not so good, please check out other troops --- you may find one that still does things the old-school way. Speaking from first-hand knowledge.

Blogger michaeloh59 February 05, 2018 9:59 PM  

#17 Baden Powell Scouts: https://www.bpsa-us.org

Social Justice Scouts.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot February 05, 2018 10:43 PM  

VD, the truth has been in front of your eyes the entire time.

"To boldly go where no man has gone before."

Anti-emetics are available at your local chemist.

Anonymous Sheiko29 February 05, 2018 11:09 PM  

Always strange to hear about Boys Scouts glory days. At least post-2000 the few I knew were more than little light in the loafers. More glee club and marching band than barrel-chested linebacker.

Which is a shame. I could see an outdoor survival group being pretty cool for a young guy.

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 11:10 PM  

@34

Must be something like SF Debris' "Psycho Janeway".

"Then again, Kirk wasn't exactly setting a good example for his crew."

Gene Roddenberry was something of a pervert, which is why the Star Trek: OS was the way it was. I remember how a commentary described how he had to be forcibly dissuaded from using the 25 Ferengi sex positions in TNG (apparently he doodled them into the margins of scripts in his free time or something.

I don't even what to know.....

Anonymous Luke February 06, 2018 1:18 AM  

Baden-Powell Scouts are SERIOUSLY converged. I would want my son to have absolutely nothing to do with them. From their website:

"Yes, BPSA is proud to offer a traditional scouting program for youth and adults of all genders with open and progressive membership policies that disallow any and all discrimination. Our aim is to promote good citizenship, discipline, self-reliance, loyalty, and useful skills. We do not discriminate or exclude anyone on the basis of gender identity, race, nation of origin, religion (or no religion), sexual orientation, class, ability, or any other differentiating characteristics. BPSA welcomes everyone to the game of scouting and we'll do our best to get it right for all scouts who wish to join us."

Trannies and Muslims and atheists and Mormons and queers, oh my.

Blogger Jack Amok February 06, 2018 2:05 AM  

I'll reiterate that what Scouting is is determined by the local volunteers. It's the ultimate decentralized org. If nobody else volunteers to help, then it's no wonder if a couple of pizza-trending freaks run the show.

A while back someone pointed out that normal adult men don't enjoy spending time around 12 year old boys. That's true. But if normal adult men don't spend time around 12 year old boys, then the 12 year old boys will end up spending time around abnormal adult men.

Kids need mentors. Boys need to be included - on a provisional and part-time basis - in the society of men so that they can learn what is expected of a man.

I can't defend the idiots in Irving, TX (where BSA National headquarters are) any more, but the program they have betrayed is still vital. I think you can make it work even with their idiot stench, but if you don't agree I don't blame you. Go find another umbrella organization if you think that's best.

But whether it's BSA, Traillife, Baden-Powell, or Alt-Scouts (hey... wait a minute... I like the ring of that...), if you have a scout aged son, do something to make sure he has access to a traditional scout program.

Blogger Jack Amok February 06, 2018 2:21 AM  

Which is a shame. I could see an outdoor survival group being pretty cool for a young guy.

That's what we do with our troop. A couple of year ago, we had a survival campout where everyone brought what they'd bring on a day hike, then we hiked out to the end of an old logging road and pretended to be stuck for an indeterminate amount of time (a "mudslide" took out the road back to civilization and we didn't know how long until it was reopened). The scouts had to figure out what they'd do.

Man, it was awesome. The leaders were rounding up the food and setting up rationing, sending two-man teams out to find water, rigging shelters... It ended up a little hard, the weather got colder than we'd expected, kids got upset about having their Mike N Ike's confiscated for the ration pool, and we worried they hated it.

No. They loved it. Every kid on the trip said it was one of their favorite all time campouts.

But yeah, we see the light-in-the-loafer troops too. Our guys notice it too, and I'm actually really proud of their general response. They're sympathetic to the scouts and contemptuous of the adults. Our troop has a reputation in the area as being the crazy outdoor troop that sends 12 year olds on 50 milers and has 14 year olds teaching outdoor skills to the adults in other troops.

They are Generation Z.

So again, I'm not justifying BSA or any of it's converged BS. But an old-school Scouting program is a huge benefit for boys. Find a way to have one in your community, whatever outfit you do it under.

I'm happy to make suggestions about how to do it if you have questions.

Anonymous AB.Prosper February 06, 2018 3:00 AM  

Luke wrote:Mormons

The LDS Church is rather anti Poz at times and pulled 300,000 of older teens from scouting. The public reason is "needs more spiritual development" but in reality its over gay scout masters.

I've heard some positive things about Trail Life

All that aside, it makes me glad I'm not a parent sometimes and while I hope to be a father someday , maybe the culture will have improved by the time I have to worry about it. It had better I'm middle aged now and trying to deal with the BS as an older man is not a pleasant notion

Blogger Harambe February 06, 2018 3:08 AM  

I was never in the scouts, or "Voortrekkers" as our analog was called in South Africa. However, when I was 12, our whole grade was taken to a farm and we got to shoot the Lord's Rifle, aka the FN FAL. And then we camped out in old military tents and we were taught a bit of bushcraft and hit-and-run tactics. After the camp, our teacher told us it was to scope out potential leaders for the prefects, which we voted for at the end of 6th grade. But all I remember was it was really cool to ring steel and ambush the fuckheads in grade 6B. Almost 3 decades later it was still one of my favourite things to do with pants on.

Anonymous Stan Adams February 06, 2018 3:18 AM  

@39 If you want to learn far more about the inner workings of Gene Roddenberry's twisted mind than you'd ever care to know, watch "The Naked Now" - the second episode of the first season of TNG.

"You *are* fully functional, aren't you?"

By the late '80s, Roddenberry had become totally unhinged. The first season of TNG is proof positive.

(My personal favorite from TNG's freshman year is "Conspiracy," in which we see, for the first and very last time, a graphic example of the level of damage that a phaser can do to a human head. That episode also bears the distinction of ending with the most intriguing unresolved cliffhanger in Trek history.)

It was Roddenberry who decreed that, in the name of "fairness," men should be seen wearing dresses*. He eliminated the last vestiges of capitalism from the Trekverse - as of 2364, the Federation was a full-blown Marxist dictatorship of the proletariat. And he mandated that since his officers were new-and-improved 24th-century humans, there would be no interpersonal conflict between them. The endless sparing between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy that gave TOS an occasional kick was to be strictly verboten on Picard's Enterprise. (Much of the behind-the-scenes turmoil that nearly smothered the show in its crib was magnified by this idiotic mandate.)

*Predictably, the lesbian SJWs at Syfy approve of this fashion statement. However, they bemoan the fact that none of the male leads ever wore one:
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-trek-next-generation-skant-uniforms

Anonymous szIlk February 06, 2018 7:18 AM  

Yeah, the yearly round of Girl Scout Cookie sellers has started placing stacks of boxes around the office at work. The picture on the box of this years Samoa's is a group of girls standing in front of a government building with one at a microphone. The Caption was something to the effect of "I speak out on issue that are important to me to make my voice heard....blah....blah...blah" We have girls and boys....I was a First Class Scout back in the day....but we will never join either program. Nope...nope....nope....

Anonymous SigOther February 06, 2018 12:21 PM  

You mean sjws wearing the carcass of the NFL and star wars as a skin suit came for us first? (Star Trek was always marxist)

Anonymous BBGKB February 06, 2018 12:55 PM  

Boy scouts won the supreme court in 2000
but over 9000 jewish lawfare attacks later
they were forced to take trannies by jan 2017

Boy Scouts make Freiers, people who dislike corruption & the worst thing you can call someone in Israel
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/thou-shalt-not-be-a-freier/

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