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Sunday, February 04, 2018

The stink of sulfur

Also, Episcopals will no longer be referred to as a "church".
God will no longer be referred to as He or Him in the Episcopal Church Diocese of Washington, D.C., which passed a resolution last week barring all use of masculine pronouns when referring to the Almighty. They will be updating their Book of Common Prayer as a result. According to LifeSiteNews, the resolution called for an end to "gendered language for God" and was passed quickly by delegates to the Diocese's 123rd Convention.

“If revision of the Book of Common Prayer is authorized, to utilize expansive language for God from the rich sources of feminine, masculine, and non-binary imagery for God found in Scripture and tradition and, when possible, to avoid the use of gendered pronouns for God,” the resolution stated.

“Over the centuries our language and our understanding of God has continued to change and adapt,” the drafters of the resolution stated, emphasizing that masculine pronouns "limit our understanding of God."

"By expanding our language for God, we will expand our image of God and the nature of God," they stated.
The correct term is the Episcopal Coven. Which is why one can't properly categorize this under "Christianity".

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169 Comments:

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) February 04, 2018 3:23 PM  

When the freaking Mormons are closer to Nicene orthodoxy...

Blogger Unknown February 04, 2018 3:24 PM  

I don't think their 8 followers will scar much.

Blogger Crush Limbraw February 04, 2018 3:26 PM  

"By expanding our language for God, we will expand our image of God and the nature of God,- including Old Scratch and his disciples" they stated.

Blogger The Scribe February 04, 2018 3:29 PM  

At the rate they're pozzing themselves, the bishop that's burned at the stake at the beginning of William Lind's "Victoria" would be some sort of Episcopal conservative in real life.

Anonymous FP February 04, 2018 3:30 PM  

Hah, expanding their image of God. They are now officially the Episcopal Safe Space of Whats Happening Now.

Anonymous Anonymous February 04, 2018 3:36 PM  

Pardon my French, but the first term that comes to mind reading this is "holy shit".

May the supreme Xir rain fire and brimstone on these idiots. And I'm agnostic.

Blogger Jon D. February 04, 2018 3:37 PM  

Good solution for their coven. They change terms, we change terms. A nice balance in that.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) February 04, 2018 3:41 PM  

Burning at the stake would seem appropriate!

https://www.amazon.com/Victoria-Novel-4th-Generation-War-ebook/dp/B00PNU8XFG/

Blogger James February 04, 2018 3:42 PM  

Actually, this is in keeping with the history of the Church of England. It was founded strictly for the purpose of allowing a King to screw whoever he wanted to, since the Roman Catholic Church wouldn't allow him to divorce a woman he was bored with and couldn't get a male offspring from. When a church doesn't allow certain "progressive" activities you have a choice. Leave the church or start a new, less demanding one. As one that was raised an Episcopalian in the 50's and 60's, I can assure you that one of the selling points of that church was the lack of demands it made on your activities. It had the ritual and liturgy, but it required no commitment. Just show up and you're covered. That way you could be socially acceptable as a "Christian" without any of the superstition, guilt, and standards.

Anonymous Talmudvision February 04, 2018 3:43 PM  

judeo-christ is a xe/xhe

Blogger Sambuca Ford February 04, 2018 3:48 PM  

My zip code has two Episcopal churches openly recruiting LBGQT cultists into the congredegradation and for leadership. Something about His winnowing fork...

Blogger Tom Locker February 04, 2018 3:49 PM  

Hmm - a church founded to facilitate a king's lust goes bad. Who'd a thunk?

Anonymous Ugly Truth February 04, 2018 3:54 PM  

Episcopal Church Diocese of Washington, D.C... come for the spirit cooking, stay for the (((pizza parties)))

Blogger Lazarus February 04, 2018 4:01 PM  

Our Thingy who art in heaven.......

Blogger Eric Medvich February 04, 2018 4:03 PM  

I guess that Jesus Christ just wasn't inclusive enough....

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2018 4:03 PM  

The leader of the Coven, Archbishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, has been been using the term "Mother-Jesus" in her sermons for sometime.

If you were a rich man of standing in your community you went to the Episcopal Church just like George Washington did. '

The Episcopal Church was both a church and a social club for the well to do.

In quick and dirty summary, the class of Americans who have become the most corrupt, took their church with them.

Blogger Dave February 04, 2018 4:03 PM  

God, we gather this assembly of witches here today in xir honor...

Any bets on other Christian denominations officially denouncing this action? I'll not be holding my breath.

Blogger Ceerilan February 04, 2018 4:05 PM  

So the death of the Episcopal Church proceeds apace. The most pressing issue now is how to save all the historical church buildings...

Anonymous Sam the Man February 04, 2018 4:07 PM  

A few observations:

1) A few years ago I went to the National Cathedral in Washington to go to a funeral. They were charging to enter the cathedral for tours, though I was allowed in free once I mentioned I was there for a funeral. At the time it seemed against the Christian idea of evangelization, as I thought they wanted people to enter churches. Never saw such before or since in my travels.

2) Having a branch of the family that became that sect back when it was the one to get ahead, I note that it went bad way off back in the 1990s, when they appointed/elected a Bishop who had divorced his wife and abandoned his kids so he could have gay sex with his favorite lover boy. That event gave new meaning to the word "Rectory" so the post above talking about new meaning seem to be on target. This actually happened. Kind of bizarre.

Locally a school run buy an Episcopalian school was taken over by a local Synagogue I have some knowledge of. From what I heard, there was really no issue on doctrine, the Episcopalians had no real solid line on anything, they were standing on mush, intellectually speaking, which is likely why their school failed.

It seems that the Episcopalian church has a huge endowment, which the folks on top are using to feast and wax fat upon, they may actually prefer the actual parishioners go away, at least there actions would so indicate, seem from the outside.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2018 4:11 PM  

Ceerilan wrote:So the death of the Episcopal Church proceeds apace. The most pressing issue now is how to save all the historical church buildings...



Difficult.

It's headquarters, the Episcopal Church Center in New York City is being sold because the "Church" can't afford the eight million a year in upkeep. The funny part is that it wouldn't be hard for them to find the money at all. They spend eighteen million a year now, suing congregations that leave the Episcopal "Church."

When a congregation or in the case of Fresno California the entire freaking diocese votes to leave, the Episcopal "Church," invariably moves to seize all properties. Now these sanctuaries, parsonages, meeting halls and even college campuses are unquestionably the property of the central "Church," the central "Church" did nothing what so ever to build or maintain them. That was done by the congregation members who scrimped and sacrificed to do so. Although once the "Church" wins the court battle they are now stuck with a completely fallow property that they now have to maintain. This is in keeping with the self destructive nature of SJWism that never think's twice about cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.


Unfortunately the properties seized invariably lay fallow and unused, slowly decaying because the Central "Church" can't afford to maintain but won't give them up either.

Blogger James February 04, 2018 4:12 PM  

Dave wrote:
Any bets on other Christian denominations officially denouncing this action? I'll not be holding my breath.


Christian denominations are like GOP senators and representatives. It wouldn't be honorable to air petty disagreements over insignificant opinions. They'll follow their "principles" and "take the high road" rather than argue about scriptural dogma.

Blogger Markku February 04, 2018 4:17 PM  

Only maybe a month or two ago they (the state church) tried this shit in Sweden. They got bullycided so bad by the congregations that the church was forced to apologize.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob February 04, 2018 4:25 PM  

They'll be calling Him Him again, once they realize their false rape accusations won't stick against a "Xim".

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2018 4:26 PM  

Upside, this does negate one thing I was fully expecting from the Episcopalians.

The restoration of God's "Wife" to their pantheon.

Blogger Markku February 04, 2018 4:29 PM  

It would have been funny if they had declared Yahweh's wife to be Asherah. If you're going to go back to paganism, then go all the way.

Anonymous AB.Prosper February 04, 2018 4:37 PM  

Markku wrote:It would have been funny if they had declared Yahweh's wife to be Asherah. If you're going to go back to paganism, then go all the way.

Pagan's are at least honest about what they believe. I'd rather spend time with a witch than these apostates

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2018 4:39 PM  

> The most pressing issue now is how to save all the historical church buildings...

They've been taking them from the congregations via the courts for years now. The only option will be to buy them out of bankruptcy.

They going to have fun when they find out that Church of Our Savior at Oatlands was specifically deeded for use as a Church and reverts to Oatlands (or a historical conservancy, I forget which) if it's not being used as such. Which it's not.

Blogger pyrrhus February 04, 2018 4:40 PM  

Will Satan be invited to accompany the hymns on his violin? I hear his performances are very soulful....

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2018 4:41 PM  

> Will Satan be invited to accompany the hymns on his violin? I hear his performances are very soulful....

Well, we can be certain that Charlie Daniels won't be welcome, so...

Blogger Markku February 04, 2018 4:42 PM  

The official politically correct Lord's Prayer starts with "Our parent, who art in Heaven..." btw.

Anonymous Peter B February 04, 2018 4:43 PM  

C.S. Lewis from That Hideous Strength:

...there is no escape. If it were a virginal rejection of the male, He would allow it. Such souls can by-pass the male and go on to meet something far more masculine, higher up, to which they must make a yet deeper surrender. But your trouble has been what old poets called Daungier. We call it Pride. You are offended by the masculine itself: the loud, irruptive, possessive thing--the gold lion, the bearded bull--.... The male you could have escaped, for it exists only on the biological level. But the masculine none of us can escape. What is above and beyond all things is so masculine that we are all feminine in relation to it.

Anonymous Anonymous February 04, 2018 4:44 PM  

AB.Prosper wrote:Pagan's are at least honest about what they believe. I'd rather spend time with a witch than these apostates

It sounds good, but extended periods of being a lone Christian in the land of the heathen is not fun.

And I am speaking from personal experience here.

Anonymous Hok the Mighty February 04, 2018 4:52 PM  

If you want to smash the gender binary (by, for example, giving transpeople a comfortable place to pee), Judaism can feel like an odd fit. The obligation to observe commandments is traditionally divided along male/female lines: men pray three times daily, while women don’t have to; men put on tefillin, while women do not. Some women’s recent efforts to observe the religious privileges they’re exempt from have made ripples in the Jewish world, and even the news.

But what if we told you that the foundation for all this was wrong? That Judaism recognized not two, but as many as eight genders? The Mishnah describes half a dozen categories that are between male and female, such as saris or ailonit — the terms refer to an non-reproductive version of the male or female body, respectively — and categories that refer to ambiguous or indeterminate gender.

Although these terms seem to provide the refreshing view that a binary view of gender in Judaism is relatively recent, a closer look shows that Mishnaic rabbis were apt to privilege maleness in the case of indeterminate or multiple genders. But contemporary scholars like Rabbi Elliot Kukla are repurposing that halakhic discourse to provide a road map for our recognition of non-binary people in today’s Judaism. Gender-neutral restrooms start to look like small potatoes.

Anonymous BBGKB February 04, 2018 4:55 PM  

The stink of sulfur When you combine sulfur with rotting fish

The outgoing CEO of Planned Parenthood has declared that “Christians should be forced to perform abortions because morality is a form of discrimination.”

http://shoebat.com/2018/02/01/planned-parenthood-ceo-declares-christians-should-be-forced-to-perform-abortions-because-morality-is-a-form-of-discrimination/

Blogger Timmy3 February 04, 2018 4:56 PM  

“was passed quickly by delegates to the Diocese's 123rd Convention.”

Not even controversial in their leadership.

Blogger Chiva February 04, 2018 4:58 PM  

We are seeing the repercussions of Romans 1:18-32.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 04, 2018 5:04 PM  

Far be it from me to say that these yahoos think too “highly” of themselves, but that’s some high quality smugness coming out right there.

And the current hierarchy of the RCC wants to be just like these morons. Archbishop Lefebvre seems to be vindicated yet again. Why am I not surprised?

Anonymous Aphelion February 04, 2018 5:06 PM  

This same coven has sponsored Islamic prayer within their structures, conducts gay marriages for their members, and runs the National Cathedral which is home to this blasphemy.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 04, 2018 5:07 PM  

Over on this side of the Atlantic, the Anglican church has long been multi-racial, and the fun thing is that the blacks are much, much more conservative than the whites.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 04, 2018 5:17 PM  

Any masculine space which feminises will rapidly decline.

Anonymous Philalethes February 04, 2018 5:21 PM  

@30: C.S. Lewis

…what old poets called Daungier.

DAUNGER, Daungerous: These do not mean modern "danger" and "dangerous." "Daunger" (from OF "daungier") meant power – in romantic tales the power that a woman had over a man who was sexually attracted by her. She was his "Mistress" in the sense that she had power over him, often to refuse him the least sexual favor. Hence "daungerous" often indicated a woman who was "hard-to-get" or over-demanding or disdainful, haughty, aloof. – Glossary to The Canterbury Tales

Blogger VD February 04, 2018 5:24 PM  

morality is a form of discrimination

It is. That is why discrimination is morally necessary.

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2018 5:24 PM  

> The outgoing CEO of Planned Parenthood has declared that “Christians should be forced to perform abortions because morality is a form of discrimination.”

Then she should have no objection if we start with a very late term abortion of her.

Blogger The Kurgan February 04, 2018 5:26 PM  

Yup

Blogger Arthur Isaac February 04, 2018 5:30 PM  

Expand the nature of God?

Hubris on an Earth swallowing them up level.

Anonymous Ages February 04, 2018 5:30 PM  

People are shocked when the Protestant heresy is taken to its logical extremes.

Anonymous johnc February 04, 2018 5:32 PM  

Hmm - a church founded to facilitate a king's lust goes bad. Who'd a thunk?

Yeah... I wonder where the soul of Henry VIII ended up anyway? I mean... let's be honest here, he had pretty slim chances. When one's religion is created by a sicko like that, he should ask himself if maybe he's in the wrong religion.

Be careful who you follow, folks... You may follow him right into perdition!

Blogger The Kurgan February 04, 2018 5:43 PM  

Lefebvre too is bent. Anyone who doesn't reject the plainly heretical Vatican 2 and all those who promote it as heresy cannot be considered Catholic.
Canon 188.4

Blogger The Kurgan February 04, 2018 5:48 PM  

+1

Anonymous vfm 0202 February 04, 2018 5:50 PM  

44. Arthur Isaac February 04, 2018 5:30 PM
Expand the nature of God?


"By expanding our language for God, we will expand our image of God and the nature of God," they stated.

We serve Truth. It's particularly galling to see this kind of context-stripping garbage from us. Just stop.

Blogger Quilp February 04, 2018 5:55 PM  

Grew up in that coven. Thinking back, it was the first I came in contact with convergence. The Priest's wife at my parish was a raging SJW, before they were called that. Almost every month there is some new abomination coming out regarding the Anglican communion. It used to sadden me, but I have finally moved on I guess.

Blogger tuberman February 04, 2018 5:56 PM  

"We serve Truth. It's particularly galling to see this kind of context-stripping garbage from us. Just stop."

The whole inverted reality is big with the ones who are all-in with the Cabal. Some are fooled, and some are paid off, but some are aware of everything or most, and are a part of it.

Anonymous CarpeOro February 04, 2018 5:56 PM  

Well, at least they are making it clear to any that have read the Bible and understand the words there in what camp they are in. Not that of the Christ or his father.

Anonymous Avalanche February 04, 2018 5:57 PM  

@29 "The official politically correct Lord's Prayer starts with "Our parent, who art in Heaven..." btw."

Parent? PARENT?! That's insulting to the childless, the trannies, and the barren!! Shame on you, Markku, how UN-Judeo-Christ-like of you!

"Our spiritual-biological sourc..." oh, no, that won't do for trannies...

Our,. our, our... creators! (oh, no, "or" is a masculine suffix, isn't it?)

"Our unknown-unknowable who art in heaven..."

That might d....

Oh no, isn't "art" a BOY"S name?!!?

Blogger Jack Ward February 04, 2018 6:02 PM  

@21 Markku
They got bullycided so bad by the congregations that the church was forced to apologize.
Good for them! May the Lord God who rules supreme in the universe bless and keep them.

Blogger Anno Ruse February 04, 2018 6:10 PM  

As an agnostic looking into churches it's really disheartening to see what's out there. I've actually read the Bible and I feel like I'm ahead of the curve with the churchians.

Blogger dienw February 04, 2018 6:11 PM  

It had the ritual and liturgy, but it required no commitment. Just show up and you're covered. That way you could be socially acceptable as a "Christian" without any of the superstition, guilt, and standards.

Odd, that was not my experience.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 04, 2018 6:12 PM  

CIC 1917, I gather? 1983 also has that whole obsession with the word “optional”, as well.

Anonymous Viiidad February 04, 2018 6:16 PM  

Ages wrote:People are shocked when the Protestant heresy is taken to its logical extremes.

The Catholic church is a satanic construct - of course you heretics would hate a return to biblical teaching. You teach doctrines of demons and worship the Queen of Heaven. The Word condemns you.

Blogger Justin Bailey February 04, 2018 6:17 PM  

Meanwhile Trump’s Super Bowl Sunday message is all about the military and God, specifically saying He.

https://twitter.com/scavino45/status/960259473934823425

Trump is officially more devout than the Episcopal Church.

Anonymous Anonymous February 04, 2018 6:24 PM  

Yes, Prime Minister had the Anglicans/Episcopals pegged more than 30 years ago when it described them as primarily a social(ist) organization, not a religious one. The current SJW leadership is content to eat up the riches of the past.

Be certain they plan to sell as many of those parish churches to Mohammedans to make into mosques just to spite any actual Christians still left in the coven - although honestly, if this isn't a sign to any remaining Christians to get out, I don't know what it will take to get them to leave short of worshipping Satan on the altar.

Blogger YIH February 04, 2018 6:26 PM  

No Super Bowl thread? BTW, no visible kneelers during the anthem. NBC shot players in close up from the waist up.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 04, 2018 6:30 PM  

I really want to root for the Eagles but I don't know what that music was they played coming out and then the Patriots come out to Ozzy's Crazy Train and Ozzy definitely wins that competition

Blogger Lovekraft February 04, 2018 6:30 PM  

Leaving this goldmine of old sermons for those looking for more traditional instruction. Very enriching IMO.

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/

Blogger YIH February 04, 2018 6:31 PM  

@61. That wasn't music, that was rap.

Blogger YIH February 04, 2018 6:34 PM  

Live stream in the US: http://stream.nbcsports.com/nfl/super-bowl.
Game has begun.

Blogger Randy February 04, 2018 6:35 PM  

How long before someone points out that they are refusing to use HIS preferred pronoun?

Blogger YIH February 04, 2018 6:44 PM  

3-0 Eagles.

Blogger Tuatha February 04, 2018 6:46 PM  

"The Catholic church is a satanic construct - of course you heretics would hate a return to biblical teaching. You teach doctrines of demons and worship the Queen of Heaven. The Word condemns you."

Your excuse of a claim is not backed by the history of your religion. The church predates the bible, which in turn is not the oldest christian text [a honor which goes to the Didache]. The catholics [as well as the Orthodoxy] have it right.

Anonymous Ages February 04, 2018 6:48 PM  

The Catholic church is a satanic construct - of course you heretics would hate a return to biblical teaching.

Implying I’m Catholic. The Protestants simply followed their mother church. Schism begets schism.

Blogger YIH February 04, 2018 6:49 PM  

So far no ''political'' ads. Of course NBC is plugging the hell out of the Olympics, and the Marines are a sponsor.
Otherwise, they're simply plugging products.

Anonymous Ages February 04, 2018 6:50 PM  

The church predates the bible, which in turn is not the oldest christian text [a honor which goes to the Didache]. The catholics [as well as the Orthodoxy] have it right.

Also this.^

Better the Papal tiara than the Protestant hair bow.

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2018 6:50 PM  

> The catholics [as well as the Orthodoxy] have it right.

None of us have it "right". Through a glass, darkly.

Anonymous Ages February 04, 2018 6:55 PM  

None of us have it "right"

None of us can know God beyond what He has revealed to mankind, but it is certainly possible to preserve and correctly interpret what HAS been revealed. And there is a known historical record to compare it with; Protestantism is lacking.

Blogger Crush Limbraw February 04, 2018 7:07 PM  

Hebrews 5:11-14

Blogger Valtandor Nought February 04, 2018 7:10 PM  

Perhaps this is not an invitation to relitigate the events of 1054 or 1517, but a blunt reminder that being friends with the world is not a good long-term strategy for a church of any denomination.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira February 04, 2018 7:25 PM  

*Catholicism idles in distance*

Anonymous Hi February 04, 2018 7:33 PM  

Imagine using this thread to tout Pope Faggot.

Blogger Matt February 04, 2018 7:37 PM  

I mean I'm a Baptist but I do see the appeal of Catholicism and its ancient heritage and theoretically robust doctrine, but frankly if you're looking for non-converged it's hard to ignore the torpedo to the stern that was Vatican II.

Blogger DonReynolds February 04, 2018 7:49 PM  

So....it was not Adam and Eve after all, and Mary was not necessarily the Mother of God, and King David may have been Queen David....we cannot be too certain about these things, according to the Episcopalians.

Blogger S1AL February 04, 2018 7:52 PM  

Guys, Peace of Westphalia is still in effect. Please don't force the mods to get involved.

Blogger CM February 04, 2018 8:13 PM  

This makes me so angry and heartbroken. Its just one more nail in its coffin. Revive me my Augustine, my Patrick, my British heritage of Christianity. Give me back that beautiful balance of Catholicism and Protestantism.

I want it back.

My diocese is under siege now. It was only a matter of time before new seminary graduates found their way in and they have. We still have strongholds. VD once shared an account from an official writing in the Ocala Star Banner a couple years ago. He's from my family church. That priest is standing firm against charges of racism, refusing to change his church to accommodate anyone. If they wish to worship there, they can worship the way the church has worshipped for 200 years. If not, they don't need to stay.

Blogger weka February 04, 2018 8:45 PM  

@81 This makes me so angry and heartbroken. Its just one more nail in its coffin. Revive me my Augustine, my Patrick, my British heritage of Christianity. Give me back that beautiful balance of Catholicism and Protestantism.

I want it back.


With you, mate. My beloved's family were staunch Anglican laity. But that church is now dead, at least in Auckland. My hope is that the faithful will unite with africa, say to hell with the episcopalians and remove all such from their livings, and then preach the gospel.

But this will require that the UK Parliament removing itself from the State Church and the appointment of bishops, leaving it to the faithful, or the crown.

Because above the vicars (who are faithful) and archdeacons (generally OK) is nothing but gangrene.

Blogger Unknown February 04, 2018 8:58 PM  

I wonder, though, if they will still refer to Satan as "He?"

Anonymous Wicked Fenrir February 04, 2018 8:59 PM  

I wonder, though, if they will still be referring to Satan as "He?"

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2018 9:15 PM  

> I wonder, though, if they will still be referring to Satan as "He?"

Only in private. In public they don't acknowledge their master exits.

> ...but it is certainly possible to preserve and correctly interpret what HAS been revealed.

Undoubtedly. And how will you know when you have?

> And there is a known historical record to compare it with; Protestantism is lacking.

All are lacking.

Anonymous Gen. Kong February 04, 2018 10:13 PM  

Ceerilan wrote:
So the death of the Episcopal Church proceeds apace. The most pressing issue now is how to save all the historical church buildings...

Proceeds?? That corpse has been dead a long time. You're just seeing the squirm of maggots and hearing the sound of flies as they and the rest of the parasites consume the rotting flesh. The only thing surprising about this announcement is that it has taken them this long to openly declare it.

Blogger Danby February 04, 2018 10:15 PM  

CM wrote:Revive me my Augustine, my Patrick, my British heritage of Christianity. Give me back that beautiful balance of Catholicism and Protestantism.
That balance never existed. it was a lie. The reformers betrayed Patrick, they betrayed Augustine and they betrayed British Christianity when they betrayed the Church. They murdered my Cornish ancestors for the sin of refusing to worship in a foreign language.

They murdered my Irish and English Catholic ancestors for the sin of refusing to lie.

The CoE was a lie from the start.

Anonymous Gen. Kong February 04, 2018 10:24 PM  

It seems that the Episcopalian church has a huge endowment, which the folks on top are using to feast and wax fat upon, they may actually prefer the actual parishioners go away, at least there actions would so indicate, seem from the outside.

True. A veritable Belshazzar's Feast ... and every bit as deserving of the hand appearing and scrawling a cryptic message upon the wall as Belshazzar and his retinue of revelers: Mene, mene, tekel ...... (tick, tick, tick).

Blogger Cecil Henry February 04, 2018 10:25 PM  

This is definitely the most disturbing and important news of the day.

Not that Superbowl thing.


'Therefore, come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord; do not touch any unclean thing, and I will welcome you.'

Blogger Unknown February 04, 2018 10:59 PM  

So, what they're saying is that they refuse to use God's preferred gender pronoun? oh the irony.

Blogger OGRE February 04, 2018 11:05 PM  

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelations 22:18-19

Blogger ThoughtCriminal February 04, 2018 11:15 PM  

I wonder if the church in Alexandria Va. that removed the George Washington and R E Lee plaque is part of this diocese?

Anonymous Rambam February 04, 2018 11:52 PM  

Ignore Episcopalians. They are spiritually ignorant and totally irrelevant. Everyone should know that God has both male and female qualities. This is plain to see by looking at His name. Christians are so ignorant today it is enough to make one cry. Study for yourself. Don't rely on some Pastor who is a pastor because his daddy was a pastor or on some queer priest of the one true church.

Anonymous bw1 February 04, 2018 11:59 PM  

They defy not only Scripture, but also logic.
No Creator would visit menstruation on the gender with which that Creator identified.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 12:30 AM  

> The correct term is the Episcopal Coven.

I like that. Time for a Holocaust.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 12:33 AM  

And the authority of scripture over tradition was settled when King Josiah found the book of the Law. As if the example in the OP wasn't reminder enough of what inevitably happens to the traditions of men.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 12:39 AM  

I'm with muh man Viiidad: No religious common ground must ever be made with Roman Catholics.

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 1:00 AM  

The Bible uses the 'He' and 'His' masculines, so will I! There are warning in the Bible about changing even one word of Scripture! I'll stick with the REAL Word, thanks tho!

Blogger liberranter February 05, 2018 1:02 AM  

The correct term is the Episcopal Coven. Which is why one can't properly categorize this under "Christianity".

That's been the case for several decades now. Also include their Anglican cousins/forebears in that category too.

Anonymous johnc February 05, 2018 1:07 AM  

I'm with muh man Viiidad

You can be with your man Viiidad. Some of us will stick with Jesus.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 1:09 AM  

The only words you will ever hear from him are "Depart from me, ye cursed, into eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his angels".

Anonymous Elder Son February 05, 2018 3:09 AM  

The church Catholic, was built on a lie. "It was on Peter that the Church was founded" is a lie.

Where were Jesus and Peter standing, when Jesus said "and on this rock", and WHAT IS the significance of THAT ROCK? And, on WHAT ROCK was Jesus on when he was transfigured... and again, what is the HISTORICAL BIBLICAL significance of THAT ROCK and Jesus' transfiguration on THAT ROCK? When you can answer that, then you will know the significance of and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Where is the "gates of hell"? Sure in hell wasn't in Rome. And it sure in hell isn't the Catholic Church... or any other denomination calling itself the Church.

Anyhow.

This is what you are looking for: Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. SURPRISE!

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 3:19 AM  

> Where were Jesus and Peter standing

I don't know, please explain it.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 3:22 AM  

I assume he's referring to this.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 3:27 AM  

They were standing on Mount Hermon.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 3:29 AM  

1) It's the only mountain in the region that could be described as "high" mountain, as the text describes it, and
2) It was known to the Jews as "Gates of Hades".

Anonymous FrankNorman February 05, 2018 4:29 AM  

The American Episcopalians are not the whole of the Anglican religion. In other parts of the world, it is actually a good deal less converged.

Also, when black or brown people mix Leftism into their religion, it's far more likely to be the older-school "overthrow the state and take all the money from the rich people, forward the Revolution comrades!" sort of Leftism than the silly-headed "everyone must affirm the gender I self-identify as" sort.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 5:33 AM  

> Also, when black or brown people mix Leftism into their religion, it's far more likely to be the older-school "overthrow the state and take all the money from the rich people, forward the Revolution comrades!" sort of Leftism than the silly-headed "everyone must affirm the gender I self-identify as" sort.

When the poor are fat and idle, it's more important to redistribute status than wealth.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 05, 2018 7:28 AM  

When the poor are fat and idle, it's more important to redistribute status than wealth.

In Africa, if you are fat, and can afford to be idle, you are not poor.

Blogger CM February 05, 2018 8:45 AM  

My poor son got an earful this morning of Mom's theology. He was watching a conversation between me and a priest friend of ours. I told him that men and women are both created in God's image, so masculine and feminine are both included in God, but that the masculine is the authority. I told him a lot of people don't like that and have tried to change it... that they don't want the masculine to be the authority and they don't want the feminine to give life.

I told the priest friend that if the masculine headship theology returned to the church, I wouldn't be so antagonistic about this change, but as it stands, this is just a furtherance of bankrupt theology that seeks to subvert the masculine to the feminine.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 9:49 AM  

> I told him that men and women are both created in God's image, so masculine and feminine are both included in God

You told him wrong, and blasphemed. Adam was made in the image of God, not Eve. She's literally a chromosome short.

Anonymous johnc February 05, 2018 10:08 AM  

You told him wrong, and blasphemed. Adam was made in the image of God, not Eve. She's literally a chromosome short.

"Image of God" refers to the fact that humanity has intellect and reason. It's nothing to do with chromosomes.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 10:27 AM  

Koanic wrote:You told him wrong, and blasphemed. Adam was made in the image of God, not Eve. She's literally a chromosome short.

Incorrect.

Gen 1:27 So God created man (adam) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male (zakar) and female created he them.

From the clarification, especially since it uses a different word than "adam", it is clear that the "adam" being spoken of is the male and female taken together.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 10:32 AM  

Also: Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam [or "man" - the word is just "adam" in Hebrew, and Hebrew doesn't have capital letters], in the day when they were created.

This further makes it clear that after the creation of woman, the Hebrew word "adam" referred to both.

Anonymous c matt February 05, 2018 10:33 AM  

expanding their image of God

From a rational point of view, they are contracting, not expanding, their image of God. God revealed an aspect of His nature as being masculine. By removing (or obscuring) that piece of revelation, you know less about God. But what would you expect - the whole Espicopal edifice is based on one thing - Henry VIII's loins.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 10:43 AM  

They are misgendering God by not referring to Him by His explicitly chosen pronouns. Haven't the SJW's told them that they should hang for this?

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 10:46 AM  

New York has actually criminalized this. So, they'll be prosecuted there, right?

Right?

Anonymous craig February 05, 2018 10:53 AM  

SJW propaganda holds that it is a grave offense not to use the pronouns an individual has chosen for oneself. God has clearly and repeatedly indicated a preference for "He" and "Him", so the Episcopal 'Church' offends God deliberately with full knowledge. 'Nuff said.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 10:54 AM  

> "Image of God" refers to the fact that humanity has intellect and reason. It's nothing to do with chromosomes.

Your assertion is as naked as Adam. There were certainly chromosomes involved in stage two of project clone, when God removed Adam's regrowing short rib, extracted the bone marrow, and built Eve by removing the Y chromosome and doubling the X. Thus making woman the glory of man, as man is the glory of God.

Markku, if I create a race of Koanic clones, we will need females, which I would construct as above. This race would be created in my image. Nevertheless I am not a girl, nor do I "contain the feminine" except in the chromosomal potential sense.

Resurrected Jesus doesn't quite look the same, but he's got two arms and two legs. Sounds like an image to me.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 11:11 AM  

I think you are making the "image" more specific than it is intended to be. Consider:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness[...]

Now, you can say that the first "our" is the Royal We. But OUR likeness? There it doesn't work anymore. Who else is actually mentioned in the passage? Not the Son, only the Holy Spirit (Gen 1:2).

Also: Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Notice how these exact two descriptions occur here. Image and likeness. But obviously it doesn't mean that Seth looked exactly like Adam, nor that he was specifically engineering Seth to be in his image and likeness. Being a member of the human race is adequate to qualify for both.

Hence, I maintain that the most natural reading of Gen 1:27 is that mankind as a whole bears God's image. But a particular important feature is given to the male of the species to bear, and that is authority. Which is why God identifies with the male.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 11:28 AM  

> I think you are making the "image" more specific than it is intended to be.

I think you tend to make Biblical language more precise than it is intended to be, for example in your proof that females are made in God's image. Biblical language is more "floatey" than English. One must rely more heavily on broad contextual orientation and less on narrow linguistic parsing.

> OUR likeness

There's a heavenly court, the sons of God, Jesus, Jehovah, and many angels are man-shaped.

> Being a member of the human race is adequate to qualify for both.

That is not what it says at all. It says that his son born via congress with his clone-wife was his image and likeness. How you go from there to pygmies is beyond me. If my clone-wife pops out a black kid, I will have questions.

> But a particular important feature is given to the male of the species to bear, and that is authority.

Nah. Paul agrees with me - man shouldn't cover his head because he's God's image, but woman should cover her head... because she isn't.

Is and isn't, in different regards. Obviously you can't tell the gender of a person photographed if its sufficiently blurry.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 11:32 AM  

How many female post-death or supernatural entities are there in the Bible? Zero. I gotta wonder whether all good girls don't become good guys when they get to heaven.

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2018 11:35 AM  

"Nah. Paul agrees with me - man shouldn't cover his head because he's God's image, but woman should cover her head... because she isn't."

This isn't even slightly what the passage says.

Moreover, you are ignoring "heirs with you", which isn't possible for one who isn't made "in the likeness of".

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 11:40 AM  

Well, the passage says that the man:
-Is glory of God
-Is image of God
And the woman:
-Is not glory of God

It's a reasonable inference to say that the woman is not, then, the image of God, and this is just a shorthand to say that, because Paul didn't want to repeat the words and thought it obvious. But it's not a necessary one. So, we basically have two inferences fighting: "adam" being represented by both the male and female, plus there not being man or woman "in Christ" which would be surprising if the woman were so far removed as to not even bear the image of God. And on the other hand, the mention of "image" in this passage by Paul. The question then is raised, why was that word mentioned there at all? Why not only "glory"?

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2018 11:44 AM  

"Glory" is also a quirky word that doesn't translate to English well, and is wholely unrelated to "image". That's not even a reasonable inference based on the context - the exclusion indicates the opposite.

Also, "image and likeness" is necessarily spiritual, not physical. Chromosomes aren't relevant.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 11:45 AM  

Another question also rises: The rationale against murder is Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man ["adam", which I argue from Gen 5:2 to mean both male and female].

If the woman is not in fact made in God's image, are we then free to kill women without consequences?

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2018 11:47 AM  

"If the woman is not in fact made in God's image, are we then free to kill women without consequences?"

Let's not be giving people ideas.

But to address the spiritual nature question:

"They will be like the angels in heaven, neither marrying nor being given in marriage."

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 11:48 AM  

Anyway, don't say God "contains the feminine". Nobody ever says that in the Bible.

Usually people choose the Holy Spirit as the feminine avatar, but a spirit is obviously not flesh.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 11:49 AM  

> If the woman is not in fact made in God's image

Sigh... I just said is and isn't... and explained in detail... if you kill Koaniquette I will kill you back.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 11:50 AM  

I'd put it like this: The female (pre-fall) is based on some attributes, which God created from His own attributes.

Anonymous johnc February 05, 2018 11:52 AM  

@111 But what would you expect - the whole Espicopal edifice is based on one thing - Henry VIII's loins.

No doubt. The "religion" was founded by a murderous nutcase. You can tell which spirit he had in him. How many wives did he behead again? Or like Luther, who invented his religion just so he could boink his nun girlfriend. The guy wasn't even a saint by a long shot, let alone a god. But people are attracted to his rebellious (i.e., demonic) spirit.

Be careful who you follow!

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 12:03 PM  

No females in heaven would certainly explain why the sons of God had to go slumming with smelly chimps despite being surrounded by literal angels. And why Earth oddly matters to beings so transcendent. Gaia's a girl, and the wellspring of souls runs on quantum RNG.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 12:16 PM  

Book of Enoch says that they did it because they wanted offspring of their own, and God had only provided that feature to humans.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 12:20 PM  

This is not to say that it should be in the Canon (especially considering that even I Enoch is actually four different scrolls composed later into one, so, which ones are inspired?) but neither can it be just waved off because it's directly quoted in the New Testament. So, at least we should take THAT particular scroll seriously. And this information comes from it.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 12:30 PM  

Got a link to the good scroll?

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 12:37 PM  

Sections I-XXXVI

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 1:14 PM  

In case someone is wondering how a scroll written by Enoch would only be traced back to third century B.C., that's not how this works. In the Jewish book, when something says "book of X", it really means "book associated with X". It is not necessarily a claim of authorship. I mean, obviously not, if the books of Moses continue after Moses' death.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 1:36 PM  

Interesting read. It mentions female angels who became sirens in one dubious spot, but is otherwise consistent with no females in Heaven. Whole lotta plasma, not much poontang.

There are so many angels, but no wives. It would be a colossal waste to have females if you're not using them to reproduce.

Clarifies quite a bit concerning grades of demon, as well. No wonder they're angry. Final Fantasy 7 is realer than I thought. Now there's a series that went downhill.

Blogger The Aardvark February 05, 2018 1:40 PM  

"Rich sources"

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot February 05, 2018 2:19 PM  

"Episcopal Arch-Apostasy"

FTFY :-)

Blogger Feather Blade February 05, 2018 2:20 PM  

Hok the Mighty wrote:The Mishnah describes half a dozen categories that are between male and female, such as saris or ailonit — the terms refer to an non-reproductive version of the male or female body, respectively

English has terms for those too: eunuch and freemartin, for "non-reproductive version of the male and female bodies, respectively."

Now, it's nice that the Mishnah refers to those states of existence, but what this... person... is not saying is the context in which those references are made.

IIRC, most references to eunuchs (when the term is used proscriptively, rather than descriptively) usually mentions how they aren't allowed in the congregation (or the Sanctuary?) of the LORD.

Probably not the inference this person was trying to make.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 05, 2018 3:32 PM  

"Or like Luther, who invented his religion just so he could boink his nun girlfriend. The guy wasn't even a saint by a long shot, let alone a god. But people are attracted to his rebellious (i.e., demonic) spirit."

You are a liar on multiple counts.

#1: Luther was not even aware of Katharina's existence before the reformation was well in swing. "invented his religion just so he could boink his nun girlfriend." < Straight lie.

#2: She wasn't a nun at the time they were married, having left before the idea of them marrying even sparked. Straight lie #2. Debatable if you're going to argue that a nun is always a nun, but then I'd point out that the convent is a man-made covenant with no scriptural basis whatsoever, so good luck holding her to that.

#3: No one considers Luther to be a God, so that is a lie by implication and straw man on your part. Luther himself said that they should be called Christian or Evangelical.

#4: "People are attracted to his rebellious (i.e., demonic) spirit". Rebellion has its place, and rebelling against a quintessentially corrupt, bastard (literal), human-installed "Pope" (antipope), said to represent an office he certainly does not in reality...

On top of that, Luther didn't even leave the catholic church. He was excommunicated by the (literal) bastard and Charles V for refusing to retract the entirety of his statements (most of which were correct).

So that's one straight and inarguable lie, one debatable lie (with little standing for your debate), one implicate lie, and one statement based on multiple plainly false assumptions.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnaccepatble February 05, 2018 4:45 PM  

"By expanding our language for God, we will expand our image of God and the nature of God," they stated.

So, they think that they can expand the nature of God, which incidentally belongs to God, who "owns" His own nature...not to them. Beyond the arrogance is the intimation that they own God, for he who defines the parameters of any being owns the being so stated. Judgement cannot come fast or furiously enough.

What they fail to realize is the "god" they are talking about expanding is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the creator of Adam and the End All and Be All of 1 Corinthians 15:28. He is the "Father of Lies" and they have sold their soul to the Devil.

Anonymous johnc February 05, 2018 4:56 PM  

No one considers Luther to be a God

Ohh... he's not a god? Like Henry VIII, he probably had no business creating a religion then.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 05, 2018 5:14 PM  

Why do some Papists seem to have a compulsion to slander Luther like that? What do they imagine they are proving?

Meanwhile, Luther would probably have had these Episcopalian female "clergy" burned at the stake.

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2018 5:24 PM  

"Ohh... he's not a god? Like Henry VIII, he probably had no business creating a religion then."

By this standard, you hold the latter Popes as gods, as their predecessors denied ecumenical authority of any See as heretical.

Moreover, Luther never claimed to be either prophet or apostle.

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2018 5:27 PM  

"Why do some Papists seem to have a compulsion to slander Luther like that? What do they imagine they are proving?"

It's a hilariously ahistorical method of whitewashing a thousand years of schisms dating to the Chalcedonian split. Luther is, in their minds, the devil of their own making - and they hate him for it.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 05, 2018 5:44 PM  

I think all the railing against one bad-tempered German monk is really to disguise the fact that their real problem is the Apostle Paul.

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2018 6:12 PM  

"Gen 1:27 So God created man (adam) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male (zakar) and female created he them."

It doesn't say (Adam), it says man. Gen 1 was written by a heathen polytheist. It decribes how the various gods (elohim) made the earth and the various races of men - each in his own image and likeness (male and female, of course). Gen 2 zooms in on one of those gods, Jehovah who made the Hebrews.

When Cain was expelled, he found a wife in "the land of Nod", Nod being the god who lived over in the next valley. You don't find the notion that there's only one god until very late in the OT. The jews took the idea from Zoroastrianism during the captivity in Persia.

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 6:23 PM  

paulmurray wrote:"Gen 1:27 So God created man (adam) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male (zakar) and female created he them."

It doesn't say (Adam), it says man. Gen 1 was written by a heathen polytheist. It decribes how the various gods (elohim) made the earth and the various races of men - each in his own image and likeness (male and female, of course). Gen 2 zooms in on one of those gods, Jehovah who made the Hebrews.

When Cain was expelled, he found a wife in "the land of Nod", Nod being the god who lived over in the next valley. You don't find the notion that there's only one god until very late in the OT. The jews took the idea from Zoroastrianism during the captivity in Persia.


I'm just going to politely ignore the rest of your message, but note the lower case in "adam". I meant that the Hebrew word used at this location, is "adam".

Blogger Markku February 05, 2018 6:30 PM  

I'm of course aware of the view, and the nineties translation of the Finnish Bible was even made by people who held it. But I'm not going to touch it here. Let's just say that I hold Michael Heiser's view of the apparent polytheistic elements in the Old Testament.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd February 05, 2018 6:42 PM  

johnc wrote:@111 But what would you expect - the whole Espicopal edifice is based on one thing - Henry VIII's loins.

No doubt. The "religion" was founded by a murderous nutcase. You can tell which spirit he had in him. How many wives did he behead again? Or like Luther, who invented his religion just so he could boink his nun girlfriend. The guy wasn't even a saint by a long shot, let alone a god. But people are attracted to his rebellious (i.e., demonic) spirit.

Be careful who you follow!


If your denomination was founded by a sinner, or accepts sinners today, you shouldn't use this argument to denigrate other denominations.

Anonymous johnc February 05, 2018 7:47 PM  

It's a hilariously ahistorical method of whitewashing a thousand years of schisms dating to the Chalcedonian split. Luther is, in their minds, the devil of their own making - and they hate him for it.

Then there are the Orthodox who think it's morally licit to divorce their wives and re-marry. Even though Our Lord said plainly that divorce and remarriage is adultery. If St. John Chrysostom were alive today, would he be Catholic or Orthodox? Obviously Catholic.

Chrysostom is in heaven. He's not a heretic. So who is in schism, exactly?

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2018 7:55 PM  

"Chrysostom is in heaven."

This is not for you to judge, heathen.

Blogger Koanic February 05, 2018 8:07 PM  

> Even though Our Lord said plainly

kek

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 06, 2018 12:20 AM  

"he probably had no business creating a religion then."

You have no business talking about theology in general, and that's even if you could curb your atrocious habit of intentionally lying.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 06, 2018 4:31 AM  

Martin Luther married a woman and had children by her. Roman Catholic clergy, on the other hand, like to ..do things... to small children.

Jesus made His opinion plain on what should be done to such people.

Blogger Koanic February 06, 2018 5:52 AM  

> And the women also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens.

Whoops, on second reading that line doesn't support female angels, just that the wives of the fallen Watchers became something nasty. Presumably their offspring include female Nephilim who now roam restless.

Blogger Koanic February 06, 2018 6:06 AM  

Paul's offhand "because of the angels" justification for women covering their heads makes no sense except in context of the Watchers, that the daughters of Eve not tempt the angels, which implies that there are only male angels to tempt.

Blogger Markku February 06, 2018 8:01 AM  

Presumably their offspring include female Nephilim who now roam restless.

Technically, nephilim are Titan-human hybrids while alive. When dead, they are called demons.

Blogger Markku February 06, 2018 8:08 AM  

The original Titans/Watchers are in Tartarus now, while the spirits of the dead Nephilim roam the earth as demons.

Blogger Markku February 06, 2018 8:11 AM  

You will also find if you trace the tribe of the Rephaim (another name for Nephilim), that there is one-to-one correspondence with genocided peoples, and peoples that had Nephilim blood.

Blogger Markku February 06, 2018 8:21 AM  

The disciples were able to cast out any demons, except one. Of that one, Jesus said that this kind only goes away with prayer and fasting. Whaddya mean, this KIND? Isn't a demon interchangeable with another demon?

Well, I don't think that was a Nephilim spirit, it was an actual fallen angel or archangel (not one of the original conspirators, obviously, as they are chained in Tartarus but that wasn't the only rebellion. The Serpent started the first one). When the disciples were given authority over demons, it meant literally that. Authority over Nephilim spirits. This one wasn't.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable February 06, 2018 9:22 AM  

I find it interesting that the appeal to polytheistic elements in the beginnings of Genesis denies the obvious orthodox and traditional Christian answer of those examples demonstrating the Trinity before its fuller revelation in the New Testament.

Just an observation. This is not the place for an argument about those things as nuance is lost in online limited discourse, but it is all pretty straightforward, consistent, and a perfect whole.

Blogger Markku February 06, 2018 10:28 AM  

The Heiser model is not really polytheism nor monotheism, but rather, he argues (very convincingly) that the Hebrew word "elohim" actually refers to any being whose proper abode is in the spirit world. For example, in the Witch of Endor situation, the spirit of Samuel was described with the word "elohim", which we would have to translate as "god" if we were consistent. But the problem is, we associate certain features with that word, including "theos" in "X-theism", that Hebrew would not associate. So, is Christianity monotheistic or polytheistic? It depends entirely on your definition. Heiser thinks that all those words are decidedly unhelpful when it comes to describing Christianity. There is one uncreated creator God, who has created a whole bunch of "elohim" - which is the same word as Yahweh Himself is described with.

Blogger S1AL February 06, 2018 3:18 PM  

We know there are several kinds of angels, just from the ones in the Bible. I don't see any reason to believe there aren't several kinds of demons (especially given the translation of the word).

Blogger Markku February 06, 2018 6:42 PM  

What I'm saying is, considering the information in I Enoch, the Powers and Principalities may actually be ontologically different "species" than what is properly called "demons". We've just been cultured to call them ALL with that name.

Blogger S1AL February 06, 2018 9:36 PM  

Well, yes, there are several terms translated that way.

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