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Thursday, March 01, 2018

Denying Jesus and America

The relentlessly dishonest Ben Shapiro was quick to publicly deny both Jesus Christ and the Christian heritage of America while taking speedy exception to a rabbi telling Christians the truth about her religion. Shut it down! Unfortunately for the Littlest Chickenhawk, Twitter was well-informed and having none of it. Do not be deceived. Shapiro is a lying, parasitical snake; he is a Fake Right Fake American who has been artificially propped up in the media for nearly two decades in order to lead Christians and conservatives astray.
Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg@TheRaDR
This might be a good time to note that “Judeo-Christian” is not a thing and we Jews would like you to stop conflating our tradition with your American Christianity.

Ben Shapiro@benshapiro
This is nonsense.

Ben Shapiro@benshapiro
Judaism and Christianity are deeply intertwined. American Christianity has generally had a deeper love for the Old Testament than European Christianity. And the vast majority of religious American Christians see the Jews as the root of the tree of Christ.

Ben Shapiro‏@benshapiro
The fact that America is Judeo-Christian and not merely Christian is a reflection of those facts.

Crew@CarborundumCrew
Ben, there is no Judeo-Christ!

Heather Anne@cler_morgaine
Judaism and Christianity are both *Abrahamic* faiths. The term 'judeo-christian' is used to to fake religious pluralism while excluding Islam, which arguably has more in common with both than they do each other.

Dr. Ramone, Esq.@melvinramone
Judaism rejects the core premise of Christianity. You're making up facts.

Cornelius Rye@CorneliusRye2
It's literally not. It's a very recent invention by YOUR PEOPLE. Jews have very little to do with America pre-WWII.

JOHNMEYER@JOHNMEY28401489
You represent Talmudism. Different thing.

#BroniesForTrump@GWSSDelta
White evangelical Christians' rate Jews 69 out of 100, but Jews rate evangelical Christians 34 out of 100. I look forward to the day when Christians wake up from the "Judeo-Christian" "greatest ally" con and realize that Jews hate them.

Emprah'sFinest@SamHydeShooter
Please tell me which of the Founders was a Jew.

Deplorable Unum 🇮🇹@deplorable_unum
Wrong. America predates the 20th Century, when the "Judeo-Christan"  term first appeared. Stop trying to rewrite America history, little Benny.

The Forgotten Man@_ForgottenMan
As many of the presidents of the past have said, "This is a Christian nation." The Judeo-Christian makes no sense, Judaism and Christianity are two very different religions.
And then, of course, there is the absolute, conclusive proof that America was never "Judeo-Christian" in any sense, as the term in its current form didn't even exist prior to WWII.


However, the rabbi is not entirely correct. It isn't so much "American Christianity" that attempts to falsely conflate Christianity and the post-Temple rabbinical talmudism that presently passes for Judaism. It is self-serving diasporans resident in the US like Ben Shapiro who have done so, in a moderately successful post-WWII propaganda campaign fueled by a poem and a play to deceive Americans about their own Christian heritage and the central importance of Christianity to both America and the West.

If you don't get why I bother to make these historical clarifications, if you don't realize the importance of the understanding the truth of this matter for Christians, I encourage you to contemplate the warnings from the Book of Revelation about the deception of the saints. From what nation will the Lawless One come? From what tribe will the False Messiah hail? In what city will he rule? What group of people are most central to the ongoing attempts to legally restrict the ability of badthinkers and thought criminals to make a living, to ensure that no one can buy or sell who does not have their mark of approval? On behalf of what nation have laws been passed to eliminate the right of Americans and others across the West to freely express their opinions about history and trade? What group of people and what religion relentlessly preach the New Babel and oppose nationalism in almost every nation around the world? Precisely how is the world to be "healed" and what would this healed world look like?

Make no mistake about this: Judeo Christ is another name for pseudokhristos and an ecumenical satanism that includes this anti-Christian, ahistorical, explicitly anti-Biblical "Judeochristianity" is his religion. But you need not take my word for the mythical nature of Judeo-Christianity. Even the early neocons were more honest, as Arthur Cohen attested in his 1969 Commentary article entitled "The Myth of the Judeo-Christian tradition".
It is an apparent truism that the concept of the Judeo-Christian tradition has particular currency and significance in the United States. It is not a commonplace in Europe as it is here; rather, Europeans since the war have become habituated to speak of Jewish-Christian amity, to define the foundations and frontiers of community, to describe and, in describing, to put to rest, historic canards and libels. In Europe they are not addicted as we are here to proclaiming a tradition in which distinctions are fudged, diversities reconciled, differences overwhelmed by sloppy and sentimental approaches to falling in love after centuries of misunderstanding and estrangement. I need not speak at length here of the religion of American secularism, that uncritical Jacobinism which is neither fish nor fowl, and certainly neither Christian nor Jewish. Suffice it to say that such secular religiosity is correctly perceived by both communities to be dangerous; it is the common quicksand of Jews and Christians. And it is here that we can identify the myth. Jews and Christians have conspired together to promote a tradition of common experience and common belief, whereas in fact they have joined together to reinforce themselves in the face of a common disaster. Inundated institutions have made common cause before a world that regards them as hopelessly irrelevant, and meaningless. The myth, then, is a projection of the will to endure of both Jews and Christians, an identification of common enemies, an abandonment of millennial antagonisms in the face of threats which do not discriminate between Judaism and Christianity; and these threats, the whole of the Triple Revolution—automation, the population explosion, nuclear warfare—these are the threats which evoke the formation of the myth.

The threats are real and desperate, but patching-over will not, in the long run, help. Patching-over can only deteriorate further what it seeks to protect. The Judeo-Christian tradition is an eschatological myth for the Christian who no longer can deal with actual history and a historical myth for Jews who can no longer deal with the radical negations of eschatology.
Or, alternatively, take the word of Dr. Jacob Klatzkin, the late editor of the Encyclopedia Judaica:
We are not hyphenated Jews; we are Jews with no qualifications or reservations. We are simply aliens; we are a foreign people in your midst, and we emphasize, we wish to stay that way. There is a wide gap between you and us, so wide that no bridge can be laid across it. Your spirit is alien to us; your myths, legends, habits, customs, traditions and national heritage, your religious and national shrines, your Sundays and holidays... They are all alien to us.
And if Marco Rubio, of all people, is selling the "Judea-Christian heritage" concept, that alone should be more than enough to confirm that it is false.
The debate after #Parkland reminds us We The People don’t really like each other very much. We smear those who refuse to agree with us. We claim a Judea-Christian heritage but celebrate arrogance & boasting. & worst of all we have infected the next generation with the same disease 
The point is that We are not The People, we are now multiple peoples, multiple nations, and multiple religions, all caught up in conflict over who will wield the imperial power over whom. More importantly, there is no "Judeo-Christianity". There is no "Judeo-Christian tradition" and there are no "Judeo-Christian values". You cannot follow both Jesus Christ and Judeo Christ.

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63 Comments:

Blogger Paul Sacramento March 01, 2018 7:31 AM  

From what I remember in theology class ( and we didn't dwell too much on it), the judeo-christian term was simply used in context of the Old testament and certain shared moral values and doctrines. It got "perverted" by some to insinuate some hist-political significance that never was.
Western civilization owes it self to Christianity, period.
In as mush as there is Judeo influence in Christianity, it is strictly an Old Testament ethical / ethnically tradition base.

Blogger VD March 01, 2018 7:43 AM  

From what I remember in theology class ( and we didn't dwell too much on it), the judeo-christian term was simply used in context of the Old testament and certain shared moral values and doctrines.

That's the usual excuse and it's a false one. On that basis, you might as reasonably call it Islamo-Christian. That is the camel's nose of the propaganda and was the basis for the deception of the Christian evangelicals. The term wasn't "perverted" in the sense that you suggest, because it was never used in that sense for the first 1900+ years of Christian theology.

Blogger dienw March 01, 2018 7:48 AM  

In as mush as there is Judeo influence in Christianity, it is strictly an Old Testament ethical / ethnically tradition base.

No, "Judeo" refers to Judaism which is Pharisaism which is the "tradition of the elders" which is the Talmud; Judaism hates and denies Jesus Christ and Christians and has done so from the start.

Blogger Salt March 01, 2018 7:49 AM  

I was in boarding school for 3 years and can only recall any usage of Judeo-Christian in context with relevant parts of the Ten Commandments and English Common Law. Any context then had no relationship with today's usage.

We were all, for the most part as I did not know one professing atheist, of various Christian denominations. There was one Jew among us and, though we got along fine, at times in conversations were quite aware of our differences. He was not Christian. We were not Jew. He made a point of constantly reminding us of that fact.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 01, 2018 8:06 AM  

"the Triple Revolution—automation, the population explosion, nuclear warfare—these are the threats which evoke the formation of the myth."

When I was a kid I had a paper round that ended at the local pub. Quite often I would come across, what I assumed to be from his garb, the local bishop, usually drunk as a skunk and falling off his chair. If I chose to endure his, to my ears at least at the time, ramblings, I would usually get a sale. At some point during the conversation he would grab my arm and say "Anything divisive is satanic."

Now that we are not allowed devision, or more, a false unity that encourages the ultimate devision to atomistic individuality, I can kind of understand his reasoning. The atom bomb indeed.

OpenID zhukovg March 01, 2018 8:09 AM  

Judeo-Christian is nothing but Secular Humanism with a 'Coexist' bumper sticker slapped on it.

--ZhukovG

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 01, 2018 8:11 AM  

Jews as the root of the tree of Christ

That's a pretty explicit Kabbalah reference. It just goes to show deceivers want to be found out, deep down.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 01, 2018 8:14 AM  

Please tell me which of the Founders was a Jew.

I suspect Hamilton may have been.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 01, 2018 8:15 AM  

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Blogger VD March 01, 2018 8:17 AM  

Judeo-Christian is nothing but Secular Humanism with a 'Coexist' bumper sticker slapped on it.

It's even worse than that. It's satanic Neo-Babelism with a Coexist bumper sticker. No Christian should have anything whatsoever to do with "Judeo-Christianity" or the worship of Judeo Christ.

Again, I ask, what does the Healed World look like? Who is to govern it? And how, precisely, does it differ from the Worker's Paradise?

Blogger tz March 01, 2018 8:46 AM  

Jews want to do Tikkun Olam - fix the world. Christendom neither wanted to nor needed to be "fixed".
And bad things happen when Jews continue to "fix" the societies they find themselves in. (If you look it up, Pussy Hats were from two jewish women doing Tikkun Olam).

As to "Judaeo-Christian", if Jews think it Christians are merely another sect, why doesn't Israel give citizenship (even second citizenship) to any Christian churchgoer? Why does it only work one way? Christians can't be allowed to see Jews as pagans or heretics, but Jews are allowed to exclude them.

I think it is Kevin McDonald (Culture of Critique) who notes Jews come to what they consider truth by consensus - groupthink. Christendom says reason and evidence and is Aristotelian. Consider "climate change". "97% of Scientists agree..." is an argument from consensus. "The total polar ice is growing" is an argument from evidence. "The climate has always been changing from multiple factors" is reason.

Not quite rhetorical nor dialectic, but either can be used in preaching the consensus. And the consensus is of the elite, not of all.

The consensus of the elite - the cool kids cuckservative club - created #NeverTrump.

Reason and evidence caused Ron Paul libertarians to go Alt-Right.

Consensus is communism and they still think it can be made to work, which may be why Jews are Liberal - that the evidence says they aren't fixing but doing more damage and reason explaining the problem when there are no or erroneous prices can't override the consensus.

Consensus is the ultimate in-group preference. Aristotle would say follow the truth, whomever embodies it. That is why Christians follow a Jew that rejected the Pharisee's consensus on what Messiah would be, and even rising from the dead as we celebrate a month from now didn't convince them.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 01, 2018 8:47 AM  

There ought not be a "Judeo-Christ." But there is a Judeo-Christ. in America. "Judeo-Christ" was the Puritans. They were very Jew-like. They've been here since the colonies. They had to flee England because they resembled the Jews so much. This country was founded on Hebraic Puritanism. This is why it was so easy for the Jews to turn this nation into "a Jewish colony."

As King James I once said, the Puritan was "naturally covetous of his purse and liberal of his tongue" and naturally inclined, like the Jews he imitated, to "usury, sacrilege, disobedience, rebellion, etc."

The Puritans fled England to the Netherlands, where they were pilloried for their imitation of the Jews. Amsterdam was called the Dutch Jerusalem at one point. And often, when Puritan Englishmen arrived to Amsterdam, they'd end up converting to Judaism.

Yes. America is Judeo-Christ. We are the Shining City on the Hill...sorta like Jerusalem in Zion. I don't wish it to be. But America has been Judeo-Christ since the beginning. If this "spell" is to be broken, then the very basis of our colonies will have to be re-examined. I seriously doubt that will take place.

Blogger dienw March 01, 2018 8:52 AM  

And how, precisely, does it differ from the Worker's Paradise?

It doesn't. A few years ago I was reading about the Bolshevik revolution as it spread from country to country in the teens and twenties of the 20th century; it was always fomented by the Jews and the American Jews were exalting in the revolution and declaring that Communism was Judaism in practice.

Blogger Bobiojimbo March 01, 2018 8:54 AM  

@2 They are trying to make Islamo-Christianity (Chrislam) a thing:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-24/chrislam-europe-folds-islamization-christmas

Blogger Steve March 01, 2018 8:59 AM  

Judaism and Christianity are deeply intertwined.

That's one way of looking at the Crucifixion.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 01, 2018 9:06 AM  

Truth by consensus now there is a joke. Since that is about all the evidence for the reality of the Blank Slate Theory that exists and the BST is the basis for healing the world I'm going to guess that Rabbi Ruttenberg and Ben Shapiro are angling to be the last thrown into the cannibal's pot.

Blogger Robert Browning March 01, 2018 9:07 AM  

It is by design. Multiculturalism is a Jewish scheme intent on provoking all the good people, all the best people, the white Christian American people into a physical racial fight. Once the racial enemies of white Christian America are defeated Jews will use guilt to turn Christians away from Christ and towards their Jew messiah, Moshiach, the anti-Christ.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 01, 2018 9:12 AM  

Wow.

My wife noted this week that each occurrence of the word Antichrist is associated with the act of denying Christ abiding in His people. The Judeo portion of the "faith" cannot tolerate the concept of the Holy Spirit filled Body of Christ and actively hate the Hebrews definition of the Temple.

As Steven said "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did , so do ye."

Blogger Dangeresque March 01, 2018 9:20 AM  

Controlled opposition has become so easy to spot lately...

Blogger ReluctantMessiah March 01, 2018 9:24 AM  

Funny how the term "Judeo-Christian" started around the same time as that lovely Immigration Act of 1965. I'm sure it's just a coincidence...

Also note who gains the most from that term. Certainly hasn't been beneficial for the Christian side.

Vox, you have plans to do some Christianity lectures/dispel the Judeo-Christian myth on Voxiversity? I'm sure that's a highly requested topic.

Blogger VD March 01, 2018 9:27 AM  

We'll have to see what the top backers nominate and what the rest of them choose. Right now it is looking pretty good for a Christianity-related video in March, but it's not a topic that would much involve Judeo-Christ.

Blogger Damn Crackers March 01, 2018 9:39 AM  

See this from Spengler (Goldman)?

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/jews-different-notion-truth/

Blogger Uncle John's Band March 01, 2018 9:39 AM  

The Talmudic/Postmodern fantasy that meaning is whatever you can make the words say. Jesus Christ/Judeo-Christ - same number of letters.

The notion that you can reprogram the metaphysics of faith through political cohabitation and linguistic convenience is very contemporary, though the roots are considerably older, and the underlying reasons never change.

Blogger Jew613 March 01, 2018 9:50 AM  

Dienw, we Jews don't hate Christianity. It's good for goyim to be Christian rather then Pagan. Not do we hate and fear Jesus, Christianity was never a serious theological challenge to us, temporally sure. But it is good spiritually for non-Jews to be Christian over atheist or pagan.

At the same time this woman is not a rabbi and Judeo-Christian tradition has always been silly and weakens both religions by blending them together.

Blogger Andrew March 01, 2018 9:54 AM  

Ol' Benny is being very Talmudic indeed. Jews are the root tree of Christ?

Christ is the root Himself. Israel is the branch that was broken off. Since John the Baptist, just claiming Abraham as your father doesn't cut it. (Matt 3:7-10)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 01, 2018 9:55 AM  

If Islamo-Christianity is to become a thing then develop a taste for human flesh. Reading a comment on a thread about a SF trooper's experience in Africa Johnny Paratrooper's experience outside of Sadr City, Iraq where you can get all the rape porn you wanted and then enjoy a tasty street meat BBQ.

Blogger Lazarus March 01, 2018 9:57 AM  

Rabbi Martin Siegel, reflecting a Messianic zeal, was quoted in the 18 January 1972 edition of New York Magazine as declaring: "I am devoting my lecture in this seminar to a discussion of the possibility that we are now entering a Jewish century, a time when the spirit of the community, the non-ideological blend of the emotional and rational and the resistance to categories and forms will emerge through the forces of anti-nationalism to provide us with a new kind of society. I call this process the Judaization of Christianity because Christianity will be the vehicle through which this society becomes Jewish."

While historic Christianity has looked to the eventual triumph of the Kingdom of God throughout the earth, according to the Zionist leaders Talmudic Judaism is zealous in the "drive to perfect man's earthly habitat" (Gershon Mamlak, Midstream, Jan., 1989, p.31).


https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/judeochr.htm

OpenID widlast March 01, 2018 10:23 AM  

The day that Jesus cursed the fig tree Judaism in any form become completely pointless. There is no life in it.
"No fruit shall be found on thee henceforth forever."

OpenID widlast March 01, 2018 10:24 AM  

became*

Blogger dienw March 01, 2018 10:27 AM  

Jew613 wrote:Dienw, we Jews don't hate Christianity. It's good for goyim to be Christian rather then Pagan. Not do we hate and fear Jesus, Christianity was never a serious theological challenge to us, temporally sure. But it is good spiritually for non-Jews to be Christian over atheist or pagan.

At the same time this woman is not a rabbi and Judeo-Christian tradition has always been silly and weakens both religions by blending them together.


You're lying to an awake Goy. Go pull the wool over some churchian.

Blogger VD March 01, 2018 10:31 AM  

Dienw, we Jews don't hate Christianity.

I know you don't. But with Christianity, as with most things, two Jews, three opinions. The important thing for Christians to understand is that most Jews much prefer Islam to Christianity. That helps put the situation in the proper perspective.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 01, 2018 10:37 AM  

Ooooo... please tell me this means you're going to release the emails and all the dirt you said you had on Shapiro the Rat soon?

Blogger Lazarus March 01, 2018 10:41 AM  

Beware the leaven of the Pharisees, even yet.

Blogger VD March 01, 2018 10:47 AM  

For the Nth time, go the fuck away, Craig Joseph aka Mature Craig aka The Pepe Report.

Just remember, you didn't merely ASK for this humiliation, you practically DEMANDED it.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 01, 2018 10:55 AM  

Is this the same Craig that was a big Dubya fan a decade ago?

Blogger Uncle John's Band March 01, 2018 10:56 AM  

"according to the Zionist leaders Talmudic Judaism is zealous in the "drive to perfect man's earthly habitat" (Gershon Mamlak, Midstream, Jan., 1989, p.31)."

Apparently the belief in impossible things isn't limited to Judeo-Christ.

Blogger VD March 01, 2018 11:08 AM  

Is this the same Craig that was a big Dubya fan a decade ago?

And Sean Hannity hair fan, yes.

Blogger Peter Gent March 01, 2018 11:15 AM  

If you really want to technical about it, Judaism as we know it is antichrist since per 1st and 2nd John it has denied Jesus is the Christ and has come in the flesh. Sounds harsh, but it is biblical, just as Islam is antichrist.

Blogger Felix March 01, 2018 11:24 AM  

How about matthew 15 .24
Larp away!!!!

Blogger AaMcavoy March 01, 2018 11:31 AM  

What part of the Old Testament isn't part of the Christian tradition? What part of our tradition came from Jews, but not the Old Testament?

None and none. No King but Christ.

Blogger Felix March 01, 2018 11:34 AM  

Did he ride on two donkeys or 1 ???
Did matthew not understand the OT when he was endeavoring to change Jesus life story to fulfill prophesy ?

Blogger VD March 01, 2018 11:34 AM  

What part of the Old Testament isn't part of the Christian tradition?

Also, the Old Testament is not the Torah. It's simply false to equate them.

In rabbinic literature the word "Torah" denotes both the five books (Hebrew: תורה שבכתב‎ "Torah that is written") and the Oral Torah (תורה שבעל פה, "Torah that is spoken"). The Oral Torah consists of interpretations and amplifications which according to rabbinic tradition have been handed down from generation to generation and are now embodied in the Talmud and Midrash.

Blogger Felix March 01, 2018 11:41 AM  

Wrong . two separate things.

Torah is only the 5 books only.

Tanach is 5 books plus the books of prophets and books of ketuvim.

Oral tradition is talmud and includes gemara ,mishna.

Blogger Eric Castle March 01, 2018 12:16 PM  

My first question is usually telling: Have you ever actually read the Book of Hebrews? The responses tell all.

The 1st Century church and Paul especially dealt with this problem of Jewish converts (e.g. choosing the New Covenant over the Old) trying to drag Old requirements into Christianity and trying to bind it on everyone including Gentiles. This was condemned. These false teachers were known as “Judaizers”.

The Old led to the New. When the New came the Old was done away. Jews had a choice: get with the program or not. Jews who refused chose to refuse God and the very Messiah their prophets promised!

No surprises there. Jesus could be very critical of the religious leaders of His people (ex. Mat. 23). He knew them well.

Blogger Darwinite March 01, 2018 12:46 PM  

“From what nation will the Lawless One come?“
John Levi came from Galilee, and died in the Temple in AD70. I’m not waiting for his resurrection, Israel has already received her judgement.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira March 01, 2018 12:49 PM  

@12

Why did I enjoy your post so much?

Blogger James March 01, 2018 1:06 PM  

Paul Sacramento wrote:
In as mush as there is Judeo influence in Christianity, it is strictly an Old Testament ethical / ethnically tradition base.


Several people have already alluded to the Pharisaical origins of modern jewry. When you understand the fact that the word jew is derived from the Roman name for Judea, you begin to see the real issues surrounding the history of the tribe. Many of the “jews” of the Messiah’s time were descendents of Edom/Esau. The brother of Jacob, who sold his birthright because he despised it. Herod, for example. These jews, along with other non-Israelite peoples absorbed into Judea, were Pharisees or Sadducees, and a few more minor sects, like the Essenes. The Sadducees more or less were absorbed into various sects, but the Pharisees still exist today. Only they are called “jews”. As Rabbi Louis Finkelstein said, “"pharisaism became talmudism, talmudism became medieval rabbinism, and medieval rabbinism became modern rabbinism. but throughout these changes in name . . . the spirit of the ancient pharisees survives, unaltered . . . from palestine to babylonia; from babylonia to north africa, italy, spain, france and germany; from these to poland, russia, and eastern europe generally, ancient pharisaism has wandered . . . demonstrates the enduring importance which attaches to pharisaism as a religious movement . . ."

The way the “jews” have distorted history makes it appear that the Pharisees worshipped the Torah and that Christ was a jew. The Pharisees studied the Torah, but they were more interested in the traditions of the Elders, or the Talmud. Christ could only be called a “jew” if you translate that as a member of the Tribe of Judah. He was not a Judean. He was a Galilean. You have to understand that “religion” as most herd humans celebrate it, is a relatively new thing. The religion of the Israelites was focused in the Temple, which was primarily controlled by the Sanhedrin and the Levite priests. You could visit the Temple if you were an Israelite descendent and kept the sacrificial ordinances. The Temple life was peripheral to the life of a Pharisee. You followed the Law of God as set forth in the Torah, and you practiced your Talmudic bullshit in the Synagogue. The Synagogue and the Temple were not synonymous. Paying lip service to the Torah allowed the Pharisees to gradually control the Sanhedrin and Temple, which was essentially the non-Roman government that ruled Judea until Roman jurisdiction overruled. That’s why Pilate sent the Messiah to Herod. He was said, by the Pharisees, to be “king of the jews”, so he sent him off to be judged by the “Judean government”.

Jews have taken advantage of the poor translations to confuse the issue. Deliberate obfuscation, actually. If there were a chosen people, it was the Israelite descendents of Adam. If the “jews” could be thought to be the Israelites, they could become the “chosen people”. And they have been chosen. For destruction. If Christ was a “jew”, then the “chosen people” provided the Messiah. And 1900 years later, they could introduce the term “Judeo-Christian” to show that their religion is what spawned Christianity. It’s the same as when they anglicize their names so they can camouflage their identities. It is a deception to take advantage of you.

Blogger James March 01, 2018 1:06 PM  

tz wrote:

And bad things happen when Jews continue to "fix" the societies they find themselves in.


I do not say this to denigrate your comment. It was very good. I just found this sentence funny. Jews “fix” societies like vets “fix” dogs and cats. And I flashed on “they find themselves” usage. “Hey, Shlomo! Where are we and how did we get here?” “Gee, I don’t know Chaim. Woke up this morning and here we where!” As if every
time they invaded a country they didn’t know exactly where they were going, what they were running away from, and what damage they intended to do.

Blogger tublecane March 01, 2018 1:14 PM  

iSteve has a post on Rubio and "Rabbi" Ruttenberg that leaves Shapiro out of it. I'm surprised you didn't quote her other response to Rubio, which goes: "Get my tradition out of your mouth while you're taking that blood money."

Her position appears to be that non-Jews are illicitly borrowing from the grand Jewish tradition to puff themselves up. I don't know exactly why the term Judeo-Christ was popularized, but its main use is now precisely the opposite: for Jews to piggyback on the success of Christian America and pretend they're at the center of it all.

By the way, this supposed rabbi wrote a book called Nurture the Wow.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 01, 2018 1:37 PM  

@43 Because it's a part of history that's "too messy" to remember, and it interferes with the general consensus of what happened in history. You probably like it because it offers more of a direction to our people who are lost in an ever-shifting cultural narrative.

The Hebraic Puritans were not a gaggle of Adam and Eves, wandering around virgin North America. They were Judaized Anglicans who thought The Church of King Henry's Hormones was still too Catholic fir their tastes, and not "pure" enough. They were the Mormons of their time.

Blogger Al March 01, 2018 2:42 PM  

“Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection.”

-Pope Innocent III

“Ungrateful for favours and forgetful of benefits, the Jews return insult for kindness and impious contempt for goodness. They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future grow insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.”

-Pope Gregory IX

“It would be licit to hold Jews, because of their crimes, in perpetual servitude, and therefore the princes may regard the possessions of Jews as belonging to the State.”

-St. Thomas Aquinas

“Poor Jews! You invoked a dreadful curse upon your own heads in saying: ‘His blood be on us and our children’; and that curse, miserable race, you carry upon you to this day, and to the end of time you shall endure the chastisement of that innocent blood.”

-St. Alphonsus Liguori

“If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch forth their hands still stained with blood to the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, still visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to just anger instead? And such are the prayers of the Jews, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God the Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ.”

-St. Basil the Great

Blogger Miguel March 01, 2018 3:23 PM  

I always thought that the Man of Sin would be "Roman", per Daniel ("the people of the prince that shall come").

Daniel 9:26

Blogger Timmy3 March 01, 2018 3:25 PM  

Any Christians bible study includes a generous section on the Old Testament teachings and moral lessons as if they are compatible with the New Testament. They are often persuasive. I do agree there’s no Judeo Christian theology, but how to set the boundaries. Women are often taught the sacrifices of Ruth. Men are often told of King Solomon. The moral lessons should be contextual.

Blogger tublecane March 01, 2018 3:47 PM  

@Timmy3- How to set the boundaries between Islam and Judaism?

Just as pertinent a question, but for some reason no one ever refers to Judeo-Muslim values, except in jest.

Don't be suckered .

Blogger SirHamster March 01, 2018 4:06 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:I do agree there’s no Judeo Christian theology, but how to set the boundaries. Women are often taught the sacrifices of Ruth. Men are often told of King Solomon. The moral lessons should be contextual.

Boundaries? What boundaries are you looking for?

The OT shows the Law that reveals what is good, yet condemns us.

Christ fulfills the Law and gives us the truthful and only path to life.

All of the OT points to Christ - what boundary would you erect between the Law and fulfillment of the Law?

Blogger Conor Foran March 01, 2018 4:14 PM  

@SirHamster

Agreed. You only really understand the OT when you read and understand it as pointing toward Jesus Christ. EVERYTHING is foreshadowing for the coming of the Messiah, from the very first words of Genesis to the expectation at the end of Maccabees.

Blogger Matamoros March 01, 2018 4:28 PM  

Rabbi Louis Newman in his "Jewish Influence in Christian Reform Movements" has a Special Study - III. HEBRAIC ASPECTS OF AMERICAN PURITANISM

Blogger VD March 01, 2018 6:16 PM  

Women are often taught the sacrifices of Ruth. Men are often told of King Solomon. The moral lessons should be contextual.

Neither Ruth nor King Solomon are in the Torah. Try again.

Blogger Timmy3 March 01, 2018 6:33 PM  

We do watch Charlston Heston as Moses in 10 Commandments. Popular movie during Easter.

Blogger Ahärôwn March 01, 2018 8:02 PM  

Interesting - this difference between truth as consensus and truth as objective fact might also explain why people like our host are accused of advocating for what he posts. They might exclaim "You're ______ for suggesting such a thing! Reee!" when Vox is merely stating the facts.

If one holds to an objective truth, such as that of Aristotle and expounded upon by Aquinas and others, a way of thinking that forms the basis of the scientific endeavour and Western thought, than such a claim seems absurd.

However, if one holds that truth is a consensus, then Vox's critics believe that he wants such a future to come to pass, and is thus advocating for it in order to build a consensus, and ultimately, a new truth.

Of course, such thinking is not Western, and never has been.

Blogger Felix March 01, 2018 8:37 PM  

Both are in tanach . Torah , Nivviim , ketuvim. Both are Jewish figures .

OpenID cyrus83 March 01, 2018 10:03 PM  

"Judeo Christian", much like its "Abrahamic faith" relative, is an attempt to equate 2 religions, or in the latter case 3, that are not the same. Usually that's where some churchian fool claims we all worship the same God. Um, no, Christianity's God is Trinitarian, a position anathema to the other two, so we can't be worshiping the same God.

Judaism and Christianity are related in that both can trace their origins to the region of Judea with some common sacred texts and prophetic figures, but they have been separate things since the first century AD over the central question of whether Jesus is Christ. Ever since, there are things Christian and things Jewish, but not a common heritage between the two.

The largest influence the Jewish religion has played since the first century in Christianity has been in Biblical translation, usually with regard to text selection. For example, Jerome's reconstruction/translation project, and the Protestant adoption of the Jewish Masoretic version of the Old Testament as the basis of translation rather than the Septuagint, a difference reflected in 2 English Bibles that were published around the same time during the Reformation, the King James and the Douay.

Blogger Ceerilan March 01, 2018 10:20 PM  

I have more respect for the members of the black community waking up to the divisive destruction of the Dems than Jews who identify as anything other than a full American.

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