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Wednesday, March 21, 2018

Electing a new people

It's called "immigration-based identity politics" and it's merely a matter of scale:
Drop into a political gathering almost anywhere in America, and you can usually name the party just by looking: Democrats increasingly reflect the racially mixed demographics of the nation’s cities; Republicans remain overwhelmingly white, older and more rural.

That hasn’t always been true — a generation ago, the voters supporting the two parties were far more alike.

Now, a new, large-scale study has documented how much the mix of voters who support each of the two parties has changed. The conclusion: The two party coalitions are now more different than at any point in the past generation.

The Democrats have changed the most, as the mix of voters who support them has grown less white, less religious, more college-educated, younger and more liberal over the past decade, according to the study by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.
Nothing has changed except a) the source nations, and b) the numbers. Previous generations of immigrants all voted Democrat too and continue to do so today. Irish, Italians, Jews, they all voted for more government handouts and in the interests of their own people at the expense of the native stock. Now the Chinese, Mexicans, Vietnamese, and Somalis are doing the same thing, it's just that there are more of them, they look more obviously different, and their values and traditions are even more opposed to American values and traditions.

Meanwhile, except for the growing number of single white women who need government support because they can't provide for themselves and their illegitimate children, white people are increasingly gravitating to a single party in order to defend what remains of their interests.

So, what Pew is observing is nothing less than the large-scale transformation of white people from ideology-based politics to identity-based politics in a single generation. As I predicted several years ago, the two major parties will be the White Party and the Not-White Party, regardless of what they are officially called in order to maintain the pretense of a single nation.

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Blogger Aeoli March 21, 2018 5:58 AM  

except for the growing number of single white women who need government support because they can't provide for themselves and their illegitimate children,

People who are insulated from this problem don't realize it's an epidemic in Fishtown. Worse than Africa IIRC.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira March 21, 2018 6:16 AM  

Vox, what you describe is very plain to see, even to children. People sure love to play silly-bugger and delude themselves.

Blogger GithYankee March 21, 2018 6:39 AM  

The odious new National Geographic had an article about Hazleton, PA where the town went from 24000/95% white in 2000 to 25000/45% white in 2017.
Somehow 12,000 Whites moved out, and 15,000 Dominicans moved in, in less than one generation. The town had voted in English only language, and tried denying welfare benefits to non-citizens, but were overruled by the Federal government.
Life comes at you fast.

Blogger Thad tuiol March 21, 2018 6:41 AM  

But will (((The Normans)))just stand back and let a mass white-identity political party form?

Blogger mike myfree March 21, 2018 6:42 AM  

Aeoli wrote:except for the growing number of single white women who need government support because they can't provide for themselves and their illegitimate children,

People who are insulated from this problem don't realize it's an epidemic in Fishtown. Worse than Africa IIRC.


This...Tucker said it best "Funny how those who push for open borders and diversity live in gated communities and it appears just like 1960?"

Push this message of "Ever notice how those who push immigration/diversity" NEVER have to deal with the harm it causes?"

Anonymous Anonymous March 21, 2018 6:44 AM  

Spot on with this post.

I would like to see the breakup of the USA into various racial/ethnic groups (into nations) as soon as possible before real civil war sees millions killed.

It is time for the White man to realize that he has been the target of the left for a generation now at least. Time to fight back.

The color white has been used to stand for purity in many situations, so the White Party could be called the Purity Party. That works on several levels.

Blogger mike myfree March 21, 2018 6:44 AM  

GithYankee wrote:The odious new National Geographic had an article about Hazleton, PA where the town went from 24000/95% white in 2000 to 25000/45% white in 2017.

Somehow 12,000 Whites moved out, and 15,000 Dominicans moved in, in less than one generation. The town had voted in English only language, and tried denying welfare benefits to non-citizens, but were overruled by the Federal government.

Life comes at you fast.


Funny, you know what comes at you faster? .308 AP rounds...

Keep it gun grabbers/open border leftists...I think we should deport them with their pets back to the 3rd world...How fitting..

Blogger Bogey March 21, 2018 6:50 AM  

I heard that the majority of Italians are Conservative and Republican these days, is that true?

Blogger Aeoli March 21, 2018 7:06 AM  

The odious new National Geographic had an article about Hazleton, PA where the town went from 24000/95% white in 2000 to 25000/45% white in 2017.
Somehow 12,000 Whites moved out, and 15,000 Dominicans moved in, in less than one generation. The town had voted in English only language, and tried denying welfare benefits to non-citizens, but were overruled by the Federal government.


Tolerance produces worse outcomes than mass opioid use.

Blogger Truth teller March 21, 2018 7:15 AM  

"I would like to see the breakup of the USA into various racial/ethnic groups (into nations) as soon as possible before real civil war sees millions killed.

It is time for the White man to realize that he has been the target of the left for a generation now at least. Time to fight back."

Except for the fact that whites biggest enemies are leftard whites until they are dealt with you can hang it up.

Blogger Blastmaster March 21, 2018 7:35 AM  

Discussing single motherhood,a younger liberal woman at work told me that everybody has had a kid and its no big deal. Fishtown indeed

Blogger Michael Maier March 21, 2018 7:35 AM  

Truth teller wrote:"I would like to see the breakup of the USA into various racial/ethnic groups (into nations) as soon as possible before real civil war sees millions killed.

It is time for the White man to realize that he has been the target of the left for a generation now at least. Time to fight back."

Except for the fact that whites biggest enemies are leftard whites until they are dealt with you can hang it up.



Yeah... the other enemies will be at one another's throats if they don't have whitey to hate.

Blogger Jimmy March 21, 2018 7:40 AM  

Vox will be proven right with the white and non-white political divide. There is still a class issue but it is simplified to productives and non-prodctives.

Productive non-white will have overlapping interests with whites and more so with productive whites. This should tip the scales for a time.

Blogger The Lab Manager March 21, 2018 7:41 AM  

Meanwhile, at the Economic Policy Journal, libertardians think that race, IQ, and culture don't matter and these people are simply misguided 'natural libertarians' who through magic dirt would see the awesomeness of limited government and NAP society.

Blogger Bad Attitude March 21, 2018 7:43 AM  

I’m getting really annoyed with “studies” that always claim that Democrats are more highly educated than Republicans. It makes me feel like my engineering degree (yes, I realize engineering is racist and sexist) and JD don’t matter.

Blogger sykes.1 March 21, 2018 7:46 AM  

Jews and progressive whites have a problem: there is no place for them in the new Perez-Ellison Democrat Party other than as especially servile hangers-on. Will they form their own progressive party?

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 7:55 AM  

Jews and progressive whites have a problem: there is no place for them in the new Perez-Ellison Democrat Party other than as especially servile hangers-on. Will they form their own progressive party?

No, they'll do what they always do and try to redirect the White Party. That's what Ben Shapiro is doing right now.

And more than a few people here are still falling for it. Because Benny is such a good conservative and he attacks the Left so fiercely!

MPAI.

Blogger Stilicho March 21, 2018 7:56 AM  

On a related note, I do enjoy pointing out to Churchians that the Great Commission from the Book of Matthew tells us to "Go thou and make disciples of all nations" and not "go and make fake Americans of all nations".

Blogger Antony March 21, 2018 8:00 AM  

A bit of good news - The Young Turks are griping that a shocking poll reveals a large number of Americans are against inter-racial sex - though not high enough in my view ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8McbRq1dDo

Blogger Phillip George March 21, 2018 8:04 AM  

good post.
maybe you could also call it the pseudo-Christian Vs the Utterly Pagan Party.

But the REDPILL issue of survival isn't political party politics, its simply

Deep State globalism Versus any and every version of Truther [that's the live or die dichotomy of the week] And Christians will always be the last man Truther standing.

Blogger Salt March 21, 2018 8:05 AM  

I'm constantly being told by hyphenated Americans that they are as American as anyone else.

Replying "No, you're not" really does get under their skin.

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 8:14 AM  

I'm constantly being told by hyphenated Americans that they are as American as anyone else.

Do you believe your neighbor has the societal responsibility to own a fully automatic machine gun so that he can shoot government officials if they get out of line? No?

Then you are not American. Not even a little bit. And you have to go back.

Blogger Chase March 21, 2018 8:37 AM  

Another name for it: Sodom.

Anonymous Anonymous March 21, 2018 8:50 AM  

"But will (((The Normans)))just stand back and let a mass white-identity political party form?"


They are nervous and fractured.

Jonah Goldberg is irritable.
Right Turn Rubin is barking mad.
Boot will be a transvestite to gain acceptance by the left.

And a Jewish academic has reviewed Culture of Critique http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/03/19/reply-to-nathan-cofnass-review-of-the-culture-of-critique/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2018 9:16 AM  

The cucks are hanging on to their loot in a way that Z-man described it is what they know and in their gated communities safe from diversity everyone agrees with them.

It is why the cucks soft peddle their opposition to identity politics because if they actually challenged the left over identity politics on the moral plane of conflict the left would crush them and out they would go.

We on the fringes don't scare the establishment with our wails and whines, what would scare them is if we wanted to bust in on their actual little communities, to actually join them in meat space.

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2018 9:18 AM  

Salt wrote:I'm constantly being told by hyphenated Americans that they are as American as anyone else.

Replying "No, you're not" really does get under their skin.


As with "social justice," the adjective negates the noun. I think at this point the best definition of a Real American is one who has nowhere else on this Earth where he would fit in and belong. As long as you're hyphenated, you will never have that sense of being cornered here, because you still identify with somewhere else.

Which means, as a corollary, that the "jet set" is emotionally dislocated from the nations, because they have their own global class culture. Why should they care if we lose the place-belonging that they don't have and likely can't even imagine?

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 21, 2018 9:22 AM  

Trudeau is fast tracking citizenship for Syrian refugees so they can vote for him in the 2019 election!

Blogger Stilicho March 21, 2018 9:23 AM  

Obviously, the solution is to force Section 8 housing vouchers on all gated communities. Because diversity.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 21, 2018 9:29 AM  

The interesting questions will be:
1. Will the White Party form quickly enough to block further importation of Fake Americans?

2. Will the Fake American Party shatter under its own internal conflicts of interest?

3. Can the White Party peel off any of the Fake Americans to form a governing coalition?

Blogger Hammerli280 March 21, 2018 9:31 AM  

@26: Agree 100%. If you tell a Real American, "You have to go back," he looks at you and asks, "Where IS 'back' for me?"

FWIW, I have ancestors on both sides that fought in the Continental Army. This IS my country...and we paid for it in the Churchillian commodities.

Blogger Shimshon March 21, 2018 9:31 AM  

@17 And more than a few people here are still falling for it. Because Benny is such a good conservative and he attacks the Left so fiercely!

Here?! Like, Ilk, here? What kind of here? I mean, there's a Gamma meltdown, and then there's falling for Benny, Fake-American.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. March 21, 2018 9:34 AM  

Also people are gravitating toward Orthodoxy. It's strength is in tradition and community. And it's naturally nationalistic.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2018 9:35 AM  

Let me just say, White Nationalism is a non starter, and I say that as someone who has seen and read about it, participated with it in some fashion, basically another "ism."

None of it from Nazi larping to the suits and ties at the AmRen reading of the essays will have any lasting effect, all of it is just magic thinking and cargo cultism read from Rockwell's 1960 script "White Power."

Blogger pyrrhus March 21, 2018 9:36 AM  

"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all." Theodore Roosevelt

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) March 21, 2018 9:52 AM  

VD
Previous generations of immigrants all voted Democrat too and continue to do so today.



perhaps even more disturbing, those who were granted Suffrage by the Radical and Progressive party of the 1800s ( the Republicans ) also vote for the Democrats.

both Blacks and Women have the Franchise due to the efforts of the Republicans to curry favor with them.

and how has that worked out? Blacks today vote for the Slavery party in such numbers ( normally +90% ) that most of the Black Republican vote is likely due to voter error. White Women in the aggregate still vote more than 50% for Democrats and Women as a whole are significantly more likely to vote Dem than Men.

the Proletariat know their own.

Blogger Blastmaster March 21, 2018 10:02 AM  

Black Republican vote is likely due to voter error.

Hahahaha

Blogger Brick Hardslab March 21, 2018 10:03 AM  

Do I have to pay for the machine gun and ammo myself? If so, do I get to choose the model? I'm also Hispanic, is fast and furious still running? I'll take one of the free ones if they're still handing them out.

Blogger mike myfree March 21, 2018 10:10 AM  

Hammerli280 wrote:The interesting questions will be:

1. Will the White Party form quickly enough to block further importation of Fake Americans?

2. Will the Fake American Party shatter under its own internal conflicts of interest?

3. Can the White Party peel off any of the Fake Americans to form a governing coalition?



1. Yes. it will likely be joined/helped by white leftists who want keep their nice areas from the brown hordes,as well as upper cast Blancos who do not want Mexico 2.0, if they wish to help us achieve our goals,who are we to deny them?

2.Fake American IE Dems? Yes project Pandemonium is a go.

3. Yes, they will have a upper crust who does not want to be swamped with the hordes. They have very little desire for competeion of their brothers and would gladly send them back home if it meant keeping their nice homes, cars, pay cheeks, etc.

For the right reasons you will get Hispanics breaking for secure borders/limited legal immigration/wall/Deportation Force....Namely better lives/more money...Self preservation is a bitch, leftism is a death cult that only the wealthy elite can afford to play around with....The masses...Not so much, they are ditching it as the cost is just to high.

Blogger saintCrispee March 21, 2018 10:16 AM  

"As I predicted several years ago, the two major parties will be the White Party and the Not-White Party, regardless of what they are officially called in order to maintain the pretense of a single nation."

In 2016 Clinton got a larger share of whites, than Trump got of minorities: #WritingOnTheWall

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2018 10:28 AM  

I would pay good money for Trump to come out against White Identity Politics, I would mortgage my house, promise my winnings from Powerball if he would threaten jail for those engaged in White Identity Politics.

Sure we would get the fails at GAB black pilling like they were on crack but it would be the left and their cuck stooges who would be shitting their pants.

White Identity politics won't come from idiot larpers or reading of the wonderful essays it will come from a kick in the ass from the establishment.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 21, 2018 10:42 AM  

You really want to make them angry? Do what I do-call them "paper-Americans," or "Hart-Cellar Americans."
They really don't like that. Especially when you say it to their face.

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 11:04 AM  

In 2016 Clinton got a larger share of whites, than Trump got of minorities: #WritingOnTheWall

You clearly don't understand what that signifies. The whites are not going to stay with the Democrats. Even if they wanted to, they'll be pushed out.

Blogger Jonathan March 21, 2018 11:05 AM  

It boggles my mind when people claim the immigrants of last century came here and became great Americans. Look at the majority of big cities run by Irish and Italians that were destroyed and the welfare state that was created with their support.

They helped set this country on its current path to destruction.

Blogger Jonathan March 21, 2018 11:08 AM  

Liberal whites think they are going to be protected in the future because they think and speak the "right" way. They will be beheaded and their daughters raped just like the rest of us.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 11:13 AM  

"Do you believe your neighbor has the societal responsibility to own a fully automatic machine gun so that he can shoot government officials if they get out of line?"

I'm actually part of the privatized atom bomb crowd.

If you thought society became polite when everyone was armed...

The most elemental level of this is, whatever level of lethal force may be applied, if a private citizen can afford it, they should be able to own it.

Obviously this is more likely to be a community project for most people, but there it is.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 11:16 AM  

"In 2016 Clinton got a larger share of whites, than Trump got of minorities: #WritingOnTheWall"

This just means that whites as a whole haven't entirely rebounded yet. There are still a lot that are going to have to walk through the fire, and will eventually be willing to do so to escape.

Well, either willing or extinct. Either is acceptable.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 11:19 AM  

The only way to break the gated communities is to break the fake money that pays for them, one way or another.

Blogger RobertT March 21, 2018 11:25 AM  

Yes. You & Q. The only people, I follow. Maybe you could add dilbert. But I don't think he's a real person.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 11:29 AM  

"Also people are gravitating toward Orthodoxy. It's strength is in tradition and community. And it's naturally nationalistic."

Sadly there is no American Orthodox to my knowledge, due to "historically unique circumstances" (yeah, I can guess). Something I'm looking at trying to rectify.

"I would pay good money for Trump to come out against White Identity Politics"

So you're part of the group who want the full scale uncivil war 2.0 NOW rather than in a few years.

Acceptable.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 21, 2018 11:36 AM  

saintCrispee wrote:In 2016 Clinton got a larger share of whites, than Trump got of minorities: #WritingOnTheWall
Good Lord you're dumb. Let's just say it, you don't understand demographics, ethnic identity, the way normal humans think or even the concept of trends. Conversation is of interest to you only if it consists of your saying the stupidest possible thing, and then smirking like you said something clever. Or even rational.

BTW, whoever dresses you in the morning has really bad taste.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 21, 2018 11:39 AM  

RobertT wrote:Maybe you could add dilbert. But I don't think he's a real person.
Really? Don't tell St Crispy up there. He'll be devastated.

Blogger saintCrispee March 21, 2018 11:39 AM  

"You clearly don't understand what that signifies. The whites are not going to stay with the Democrats. Even if they wanted to, they'll be pushed out."

I wonder what NOT staying with the democrats would look like. Would it mean the democrats only getting 10% of the white vote? Only 25%?.

I think you vastly misinterpret the impact that identity politics are and will have on the disposition of white voters. But we'll see. This year's mid terms should offer an indication of what voters (of all races) think of their 2016 choice. Mid terms are almost always a referendum on the party in power. The GOP is about to striped at the ballot box, lose the House and if they aren't careful, lose the Senate too.

Blogger saintCrispee March 21, 2018 11:49 AM  

@50

You're funny.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 11:51 AM  

"Don't tell St Crispy up there. He'll be devastated."

But he likes to be devastated.

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 11:55 AM  

I think you vastly misinterpret the impact that identity politics are and will have on the disposition of white voters.... The GOP is about to striped at the ballot box, lose the House and if they aren't careful, lose the Senate too.

Of course you do. People like you also said Trump could never win and Trump will be impeached and Republicans will lose the House and Senate in 2018.

As you will see, Republicans will hold both the House and the Senate. Binary thinkers like you can only think in quantitative terms, never qualitative terms. You drew precisely the wrong lesson from the Pennsylvania by-election; the Democrats ran a Republican-style candidate and still barely won.

Blogger Clint March 21, 2018 12:05 PM  

Men of the West addressed immigration impacting voting a few months ago. You can read it here. It has a breakdown of voting patterns post 1965.

Blogger saintCrispee March 21, 2018 12:14 PM  

"You drew precisely the wrong lesson from the Pennsylvania by-election; the Democrats ran a Republican-style candidate and still barely won."

Lamb was pro Obamacare, was against more restrictive abortion laws, opposed the Tax Plan, supported background checks on gun purchases. And he won in district Trump won by 20 points. The quality of Lamb's positions were moderate/liberal and would be very hard to confuse with Republicans, particularly when you had a Republican in the race against him who was a far more traditional Republican. And Lamb won.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 21, 2018 12:48 PM  

saintCrispee wrote:Lamb was pro Obamacare, was against more restrictive abortion laws, opposed the Tax Plan, supported background checks on gun purchase

Sounds like a typical Republican, probably one that calls himself a "conservative".

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 12:49 PM  

Lamb was pro Obamacare, was against more restrictive abortion laws, opposed the Tax Plan, supported background checks on gun purchases. And he won in district Trump won by 20 points. The quality of Lamb's positions were moderate/liberal and would be very hard to confuse with Republicans, particularly when you had a Republican in the race against him who was a far more traditional Republican. And Lamb won.

You're an idiot. Lamb ran as a military veteran and disassociated himself from the Democratic leadership.

Morons like you talk and talk and talk, but always and only beforehand. And then you're utterly silent afterwards when you're wrong again. I've been doing this for 17 years. You're not the first flyby pulling this sort of vapid blather. You're not even one of the first one thousand.

Fine. You've said the Republicans will lose the House and Senate... because you know they aren't going to be "careful". If you're right, I will acknowledge that. And if you're wrong, I expect you to acknowledge that here as well.

Blogger Brett baker March 21, 2018 12:52 PM  

Glenn Beck will accuse you of badthink, quoting TR.

Anonymous Anonymous March 21, 2018 1:00 PM  

Also people are gravitating toward Orthodoxy. It's strength is in tradition and community. And it's naturally nationalistic.

Nearly every major Orthodox church in the USA is a member of Church World Services which is a primary instigator of immigration into the USA

Source: https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2018/03/07/linda-sarsour-cairs-top-gun-nihad-awad-and-imam-suleiman-among-those-arrested-on-capitol-hill-this-week/

Blogger Nate March 21, 2018 1:24 PM  

"Fine. You've said the Republicans will lose the House and Senate."

both?

seriously?

/facepalm

Blogger DonReynolds March 21, 2018 2:07 PM  

Vox is correct and you can see this happening WITHIN states as well.

I have noticed that the more non-whites there are in a state the more whites tend to bunch into one of the two major parties, often Republican.

It is not ideological because throughout American history, the main political parties have not been ideological....both parties had their own Left Wing and Right Wing. Ideological struggles occurred WITHIN the party for control of the party. Often, the differences between the two major candidates was by no means dramatic. Ideological parties is something that has occurred within my own lifetime, in recent decades.

In states where there is a significant proportion of the population is non-white, the whites tend to end up in the same party. You can see this in Texas, California, Mississippi, and Louisiana especially. Differences between whites become less important as they are confronted by people who hate ALL whites.

Blogger saintCrispee March 21, 2018 2:19 PM  

"Fine. You've said the Republicans will lose the House and Senate... because you know they aren't going to be "careful". If you're right, I will acknowledge that. And if you're wrong, I expect you to acknowledge that here as well."

Yes. I will as well. But, for the record, I said the GOP will lose the house. It's already in the bag and done. However, i did not day they would lose the Senate. Even though the lead in the Senate is much smaller, the odds are against the Democrats here.

So, I'm not predicting a loss of the Senate. What could lose the Senate for the GOP is if they end up nominating Roy Moore-like candidates in the primaries in a couple states.

Blogger Nick Siekierski March 21, 2018 2:25 PM  

Exactly what Dr. Sam Francis wrote about in his last monograph "Ethnopolitics: Immigration, Race, and the American Political Future" (2003) https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v5n2/TOQv5n2Nelson.pdf Short of an immigration moratorium and the deportation of tens of millions of illegal and legal aliens, the demographic cake will be baked and whites will become an increasingly repressed minority a la South Africa. People like Pat Buchanan and Francis saw this looming disaster more than a quarter century ago. They were hated by the Republican party for it precisely at the moment it was still possible to do something about it. "Build the Wall" won't matter without "Deport them All"

Blogger papabear March 21, 2018 3:57 PM  

"Also people are gravitating toward Orthodoxy. It's strength is in tradition and community. And it's naturally nationalistic."

"Sadly there is no American Orthodox to my knowledge, due to 'historically unique circumstances' (yeah, I can guess). Something I'm looking at trying to rectify."

Yes, unfortunately in the US that nationalism means some form of ethnonationalism for Orthodox congregations other than American usually. (e.g. the Greeks generally congregate with their own even if they talk about being "Greek-American".) The big exception would be those congregations dominated by Protestant converts.

The OCA was an attempt at a single jurisdiction in the US but so far it has been a failure. And it tends to be rather Russian in its heritage and identity, given its historical origins and the people still attending. Attempts at inculturation in the US have been limited to small things like venerating Western saints of the first millenium and accepting congregations using an Orthodox form of the Roman rite.

It is unfortunate that the Episcopalians/Anglicans did not convert en masse to Orthodoxy -- perhaps they could have spurred the development of an Anglo-American form of Orthodoxy. It is interesting to note that the Anglican Ordinariate (Catholic) in the US has Byzantine elements in its liturgy.

Blogger D. Bay March 21, 2018 4:31 PM  

"Republicans remain overwhelmingly white, older and more rural."

Not as true as it once was. Trump also got close to 30% percent of the Latino vote and almost 30% percent of the Asian American vote. If he's lucky he can get more in 2020. That might be all of the non-white, minority vote he needs.

Blogger saintCrispee March 21, 2018 5:28 PM  

"Trump also got close to 30% percent of the Latino vote"

Not Impressive:

1980 Ronald Reagan, 35%
1984 Walter Mondale 37%
1988 George H.W. Bush, 30%
1992 George H.W. Bush, 25%
1996 Bob Dole, 21%
2000 George W. Bush, 35%
2004 George W. Bush, 40%
2008 John McCain, 31%
2012 Mitt Romney, 27%
2016 Trump, 28%

Blogger Matamoros March 21, 2018 5:59 PM  

@32 Also people are gravitating toward Orthodoxy. It's strength is in tradition and community. And it's naturally nationalistic.

Yes, but it isn't American nationalism - it is what Vox talks about - maintaining loyalties to the old country not to Ameria.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 6:49 PM  

"it is what Vox talks about - maintaining loyalties to the old country not to Ameria."

Unfortunately, yes.

Blogger AnvilTiger March 21, 2018 8:09 PM  

I suspect over the next 20 years whites will move away from big cities in the USA, while non-whites move into big cities (except asians, they will follow the whites). Telecommuting and package delivery will support this. The big corporations will follow as they don't want their workers in high crime areas - the corps that don't do this due to virtue signaling will decline and their business will be absorbed by the corps that move.

If I am correct, this will reverse the flow into cities which was a major effect of the industrial revolution. The geographical distribution of people at the end of the 21st century will look very different from the geographical distribution of people at the end of the 20th century.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 11:32 PM  

"If I am correct, this will reverse the flow into cities which was a major effect of the industrial revolution."

Unfortunately, it won't, unless we develop some form of absurdly energy and time efficient manner of transportation. Centralization has its benefits.

No, unless something serious changes, what will happen is that new cities will grow, and gradually be infested by the old undesirables for the same reasons. Think white flight writ even larger.

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