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Saturday, March 03, 2018

Gun grab in Minnesota

HF 3022 is not going to pass the state legislature, but the fact that the anti-gunners are even trying is sufficient cause for tarring, feathering, and generally Concord/Lexington-style reaction:
HF 3022 is now in the Legislature

– Permit required to own a gun
– Permit required to buy a gun
– Permit required to sell a gun
– Local law enforcement gets to deny all types of gun permits
– Local law enforcement gets to deny permits to carry
– Personal medical information must be shared with law enforcement
– All firearm transfers must be reported
– All guns must be registered (fees set by local law enforcement)
– Registration must be renewed annually
– Local law enforcement may conduct warrantless “safety inspections” of gun owner’s homes
– Local law enforcement sets “safe storage” policies
– Five day waiting period for all transfers
– Transfers must be done through an FFL (even between private parties)
– Fees may be charged for transfers
– Local law enforcement may conduct background investigation on transfers
– Total ban on any gun which meets broad “assault weapon” definition – banned guns must be destroyed or surrendered
– Ban thumbhole stocks
– Ban adjustable stocks
– Ban pistol grip stocks
– Limit fixed magazine capacity to 7 rounds
– Ban any magazine capable of holding more than 7 rounds
– Suspension of gun rights based on complaints from anonymous parties
– Recriminalization of suppressors
– Bump stock ban
– All ammunition sales will be registered
– Permit required to purchase ammunition

Almost forgot an important thing —

HF 3022 would also make gun owner private data public. This would include:

Number and type of guns you own
Your address
It's time for 2nd Amendment advocates to get serious and go on the offensive. If advocating the boycott of Israel can be criminalized, then advocating the infringement of American gun rights can damn well be criminalized too.

Gun rights activists should start demanding that their representatives pass laws requiring fines and jail time for anyone who advocates violating the unalienable rights of Americans by calling for gun laws. In case it's not obvious to you, the 2nd Amendment is considerably more important than the 1st Amendment.

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71 Comments:

Blogger Lovekraft March 03, 2018 10:21 AM  

Man, if I wasn't so cynical, I'd think this was all planned in advance, with media complicity. Nah. Just a coincidence.

Meanwhile, China's going full dictatorship and South Africa's revving up the Mugabe landgrab/genocide machine.

Blogger TheMaleRei March 03, 2018 10:25 AM  

After all, what sort of recourse does a disarmed population have?

Submission or death is all that remains.

Blogger Akulkis March 03, 2018 10:33 AM  

And remember ... What was the reason for Lexington and Concord?

The Redcoats were making a midnight raid to disarm the public.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 03, 2018 10:35 AM  

WaPo allowed some bad think in its pages by a guy named Thiessen writing about the NRA, +3000 comments I made it a page and the anti-gun types relied on emotional rhetoric, they might throw out a fact but invariably in the same post they might even have the dreaded all caps they really mean it spiel.

IMO they live by the rhetoric they should perish by it, the usual conservative banter on that thread never challenges the legitimacy of the left's rhetoric but instead does the usual sperg facts and figures and well worn but true talking points.

Blogger Man of the Atom March 03, 2018 10:35 AM  

I recommend H. Beam Piper's "Lone Star Planet" for how advanced societies reasonably deal with gun-grabbers. (Audio version.)

OpenID markstoval March 03, 2018 10:40 AM  

If the population were to lose access to ammo; or if many were disarmed -- what sort of home made weapons could be made. What sort of instructions exist?

Blogger Ryan G March 03, 2018 10:55 AM  

@6 markstoval - Pipe bombs for terrorism. Zip guns and pipe rifles for everything else. The knowledge of how to make these is widely available.

My personal reference is the Army's "Improved Munitions Handbook". These are widely available online and can also be purchased in book form at almost any big gun show. The manual explains in step-by-step detail how to create weapons from scratch including how to synthesize gunpowder, explosives, and incendiary devices.

If confiscation is actually effective (it won't be) and not even criminals have access to guns they'll just go back to using clubs and knives. So, that's good news assuming you're an athletic male with extensive hand to hand combat knowledge. Less good news if you're everyone else.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 03, 2018 10:55 AM  

The Left contrary to conservative opinion is fairly clueless, in Illinois our AA attorney general Lisa Madigan pulled the old let us publically shame gun owners by releasing the FOID card holders names addresses gambit in her genius thinking that all gun owners vote GOP conservative.

Thing is Democratic party gun owners are good gun owners and they hold FOID cards or maybe not but still brag about gun ownership, so all the gangsterish alderman and political henchmen in Cook County would have been exposed for either being a "legal" gun owner or risk being an "illegal" gun owner like your everyday Dontavious or Hector.

So little Lisa quickly reversed course.

Blogger Looking Glass March 03, 2018 11:00 AM  

I wonder if you can craft a Right + Left approach on banning speech to remove enumerated rights. You'd need a State with an open petition system, but you can go hard rhetoric on both sides. You split the Right from the Center and you split the Left into the Corporate vs Progressive groups.

For the Right, you go with things like, "You can't advocate Murder; you can't Rebellion; Defend the 2nd, Vote Yes on XYZ". For the Left, "They want to silence you; they want to muzzle you; Defend the 1st, Vote Yes on XYZ".

That'd take some planning and some money behind it, but that could be the most lit State Amendment process in decades. With hyper-targeted advertising these days, you can really spin multiple different narratives at the same time. Then, when you get attacked, demand to know why your civil rights should be infringed? Go the full Jesse Jackson on the topic.

Not sure if it'd work, but, man, that'd be fun to see the Deep State's response to.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 03, 2018 11:11 AM  

Two good articles; and these actions might help wake up the MPAI sleepers! (And maybe move any here who haven't joined the NRA and GOA and your local state org to get a move-on!)

From the first ( http://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/03/02/president-trump-setting-gun-grabbers/ ), this:

News is going around of President Trump saying various additions can be added to a gun control bill. Pro-2nd amendment advocates are losing their collective mind over his statements.

The statements are from a video clip which shows President Trump talking about police seizing firearms before going through due process. In that same conversation President Trump is telling people to add whatever they want to the bill. Dianne Feinstein cackles like a witch and starts rubbing her hands together.

What happens to a house of cards as it gets bigger? The more likely it is to fall down. The next gun control bill is being set up like a house of cards. What will cause the bill to collapse? Eventually there will be a question of rights.

The Parkland school murders spurred a witch hunt. Everywhere the gun-grabbers look there are "loopholes" that need to be “fixed:”
NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) needs stringent reporting requirements.
Age limit for firearm purchases need to be raised.
Firearms needs to be seized from violent and mentally ill people.
Ban assault style weapons.
Ban high capacity magazines.
Domestic partners need more protection… just to name a few.

Eventually, so much will be added to the bill that the question of rights will come up. President Trump hinted at this by saying, "Seize the firearms, then go through due process." That is exactly what gun-grabbers want to hear.

However, avoiding due process should be enough to throw up red flags from civil rights organizations. If not, it will give pro-gun organizations a reason to challenge the law "if" it is ever passed.

Notice Trump's body language as he is talking -- he folds his arms. This usually means someone is not open to new ideas; that person's mind is made up, and whatever someone says will not change it.



From the second ( http://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/03/01/incredible-anti-gun-bill-introduced-mn/ ), which lists the specs -- it's a looooong list:

If this becomes law, folks in California can at least bask in the knowledge that they're no longer living in the most anti-gun state in the USA.
...
It seems unlikely that it will pass, especially as is, but it is still a huge threat -- and a clear example of anti-gunners' end goal: The destruction of civilian gun ownership in the USA. One big hurdle is that it violates HIPPA privacy laws by requiring citizens to give their medical information to law enforcement entities before they can purchase a gun. It also opens the door (pun intended) to warrantless searches of citizens' homes.

It also bans "assault weapons" and requires owners to surrender or destroy them without compensation.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 03, 2018 11:21 AM  

The conservative movement will protect our rights, this time I'm sure of it.

Blogger exfarmkid March 03, 2018 11:24 AM  

To the MN-based Ilk, note that they want our names and our logistics posted for public consumption. Let this knowledge temper your actions. Here are the sponsors in the MN House, which includes the deputy minority leader (Applebaum).

Linda Slocum (DFL) 50A http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=15283
Fue Lee (DFL) 59A http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=15468
Jean Wagnenius (DFL) 63B http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=10690
Connie Bernardy (DFL) 41A http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=10051
Karen Clark (DFL) 62A http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=10101
David Bly (DFL) 20B http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=15260
Frank Hornstein (DFL) 61A http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=10767
Jon Applebaum (DFL) 44B http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=15427

Blogger Man of the Atom March 03, 2018 11:27 AM  

exfarmkid wrote:To the MN-based Ilk, note that they want our names and our logistics posted for public consumption. Let this knowledge temper your actions. Here are the sponsors in the MN House, which includes the deputy minority leader (Applebaum).


The MN DFL has always been a hive of scum and villainy; now more so with the wimmenz involved.

Blogger Lazarus March 03, 2018 11:31 AM  

The Globalists are continuing with their 16 year plan. They obviously do not think Trump will make it to the end of the year. They have been telling other world leaders that for a while now. I have heard it said that he announced early to separate the wheat from the tares as far as support goes. The latest EO amending the Manual for Military Courts-Marshall may be a good sign.

Blogger pyrrhus March 03, 2018 11:33 AM  

I assume the Democrats' Somali pets will be exempted from these provisions....

Blogger pyrrhus March 03, 2018 11:35 AM  

@14 Time to rendition the upper ranks of the DOJ and FBi to Gitmo for extended interrogation. That might send a signal....

Blogger pyrrhus March 03, 2018 11:40 AM  

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Blogger jandolin March 03, 2018 11:44 AM  

The historic American population that identifies with Lexington/Concord has been demonized, delegitimized and denounced as criminals by the hostile elite. Only a small percentage of people who graduate from American public schools understand the significance of Lexington/Concord.

Blogger pyrrhus March 03, 2018 11:44 AM  

" In case it's not obvious to you, the 2nd Amendment is considerably more important than the 1st Amendment."

There won't be a 1st Amendment without the 2d Amendment...Just look at UKistan, for example..

Blogger LES March 03, 2018 11:45 AM  

A meme I've seen: "People without guns shot zero people today."

Why not, "Men without a penis raped zero women today?"

Blogger lowell houser March 03, 2018 11:54 AM  

Couldn't agree more Vox. Now try getting them to do that. I have been. The 2A crowd is still largely in the mode of just being thankful that they aren't taking everything away all at once. We just lose less than they thought we would and they calm down again. If I could sit down with Trump directly and answer every one of his twitter posts on the subject one for one then the first thing out of mouth would be that if you take away something you give us one thing back. Bump stocks are illegal? Okay, then the Hughes Amendment gets repealed and we can buy brand new machine guns again with the appropriate ATF paperwork, like it was before 1986. Age restriction now 21? Okay, now all short barreled long guns are now non-nfa items requiring no ATF paperwork. Expanded background checks? Okay, now silencers are non-nfa items. What I just spelled out is just us going SIDEWAYS, and I can't get anybody to even adopt that mindset. In 1933 machine guns were MAIL-ORDER in America, from Sears&Roebuck, and now we can't get anybody to even fight to LEGALIZE them. Even among 2A people, the idea of not having FFLs is considered "crazy." But mention that you are going to ban their semi-automatic AR15 and they have a tizzy. At least until it happens and they surrender them on cue.

These are the fruits of "conservatism." Why they ALWAYS fail.

Blogger Johnny March 03, 2018 11:56 AM  

LES wrote:A meme I've seen: "People without guns shot zero people today."

How many unarmed people were shot by guns today?

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 03, 2018 11:57 AM  

"Common sense" they say?

Blogger VD March 03, 2018 11:57 AM  

That's because conservatives are stupid and cowardly. They confuse a defensive posture for both principle and strategy.

Blogger DonReynolds March 03, 2018 12:00 PM  

The last time the government tried to disarm the citizens was April 1775 and it provoked the battles of Lexington and Concord, which immediately led to a rebellion by 13 of the 17 British colonies, and after nine years of warfare, that government was driven from these shores and replaced by a new government. That can certainly happen again.

On the other hand, this is Minnesota....and I really do not mind how people in Leftist Liberal states treat themselves. If they agree to disarm themselves, I will certainly let them and may one day be glad that I did.

Any similar attempt to confiscate firearms in the following states.....Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, and North or South Carolina....would only be possible if imposed from without (i.e. Federal) and could lead to a dramatic conclusion to the Republic as we know it.

Blogger darkdoc March 03, 2018 12:15 PM  

Pro-2A folks should start screeching and pointing that the DFL is trying to disarm all black and Hispanic people in MN.

Blogger pyrrhus March 03, 2018 12:17 PM  

Any similar attempt to confiscate firearms in the following states.....Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, and North or South Carolina....would only be possible if imposed from without (i.e. Federal) and could lead to a dramatic conclusion to the Republic as we know it.

You need to add Arizona, Montana and most of the other states in the Mountain West and Great Plains to that list. Along with the Eastern parts of Oregon and Washington.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 03, 2018 12:20 PM  

– "Ban adjustable stocks"

A literal reading of this bans most Youth model hunting shotguns and a few rimfire rifles.

Reloading ammo is not hard. Most chemistry majors and quite a few rednecks could make both gun powder and primers.

Gun cotton can be made at home with supplies bought from most hardware stores and a bag of cotton balls.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 03, 2018 12:20 PM  

Another possible Democratic voter shooter outside of the Whitehouse, but shot himself. Basically gun control the joke is in part about disarming the mental fruitcakes that have glommed onto the D party.

Blogger Lance E March 03, 2018 12:21 PM  

Vox, I'm curious if you've read the NRx take on this latest gun grab. I'm not sure if it's acceptable to link to it here, so I'll just say it was posted about a week ago on one of their major blogs.

Their argument, essentially, is that the NRA is not fundamentally a right-wing organization, that it is in fact part of the establishment, that the internal power dynamics of the establishment are going to sort this out (the practical value of the NRA is too high - it's not a "mere" moral argument), and that right-wing activism in this area is painting a huge target on the activists if the gun grabbers ever succeed.

This is not an endorsement of their position, but there's been an uptick in the number of "passivism" nutters applying it to every issue lately, including 2A. What's the most effective arguments or rhetoric against it? Has NRx turned into Conservative Inc, but with more flowery language?

Blogger Chris Mallory March 03, 2018 12:30 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:I really do not mind how people in Leftist Liberal states treat themselves. If they agree to disarm themselves, I will certainly let them and may one day be glad that I did.

New York and some of the New England states saw massive public disobedience with their recent gun registration laws. Some estimates put non compliance at 75% or more.

Blogger Looking Glass March 03, 2018 12:49 PM  

Considering the Left has recently normalized this behavior, I have a suggest to any MN activists.

Send the Legislators with their names on the bill pizzas. Lots of pizzas. 5+ per night for a few days should deliver the friendly message of the "Pizzas for Peace" campaign.

Blogger Julian Kowalczyk March 03, 2018 1:05 PM  

Illinois is getting ready for similar anti-gun laws.

Blogger Not a lefty March 03, 2018 1:19 PM  

In NY it's certainly higher than 75%. The safe act is basically toothless insofar as registration goes. It's only been used to heap on additional charges to criminals already caught and even that has been pretty rare considering the commies running the show over here .

Blogger DonReynolds March 03, 2018 1:36 PM  

The Gold Standard example of taking something long considered to be a right in this country and passing a constitutional amendment to prohibit it was the 18th Amendment (Alcohol Prohibition) and the Volstead Act....named after a Minnesota Republican Congressman, over the veto of President Wilson. Only two states rejected the 18th Amendment....Connecticut and Rhode Island.

This is an example of how the SJWs can get behind a cause and push it over the finish line, even over a presidential veto. It is also a classic example of how the public can vote FOR an amendment without realizing how far it would really go. The public supported the 18th Amendment thinking it would only apply to hard liquor (intoxicating liquors) and not to beer and wine. They were surprised when the prohibitionists demanded that it applied to all forms of alcohol. (A warning about gun grabbers might be inserted here.)

Blogger DonReynolds March 03, 2018 1:48 PM  

OK.....I did not realize that any mention of the 18th Amendment would be deleted here.
Yeah, that was fast.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 03, 2018 1:59 PM  

LES wrote:A meme I've seen: "People without guns shot zero people today."
50 people without guns were murdered today.
300 women without guns were raped today.
1200 people without guns were robbed today.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 03, 2018 2:07 PM  

Snidely has the right idea.

Blogger dienw March 03, 2018 2:11 PM  

The Constitution declares that state be a republic. That means the Constitution is the model for each state as a republic; it also means that bill of rights is to be upheld in each state. Perhaps it is time to start suing each state that is refusing to be a republic and obey the bill of rights.

Blogger dienw March 03, 2018 2:24 PM  

@ Looking glass
Here is how the left is running its operation via Ace of Spades.

Blogger DonReynolds March 03, 2018 2:27 PM  

dienw wrote:The Constitution declares that state be a republic. That means the Constitution is the model for each state as a republic; it also means that bill of rights is to be upheld in each state. Perhaps it is time to start suing each state that is refusing to be a republic and obey the bill of rights.

I like your approach. Unfortunately, the gun grabbers can act much more quickly to confiscate the firearms (and destroy them) while any lawsuit could take many years to reverse that mistake. They would enjoy fait accompli, and come up with plenty of excuses and complaints to make it permanent....not to mention the fact that the physical firearms (property) would either be confused or destroyed along the way, and unrecoverable.

Blogger FP March 03, 2018 2:28 PM  

They're learning every year, the gun grabbers are. This MN bill is worse than a proposed one in Oregon back in 2013. Oddly has a similar bill number. The Oregon one was house bill 3200.

The Oregon bill at least let you have two "assault weapons" if they were registered, along with registered magazines. Of course, an assault weapon was any firearm with over ten round mags (detached or fixed). The MN people who fight this need to make sure they don't have a quick enforcement rider on it. The dems in Oregon wanted it to go into effect as soon as it was signed by the governor, thus giving everyone a mere 120 days to be compliant. An impossible feat as I'm sure the government would be very slow in setting up their registration system.

Many need to learn, especially the NRA cuckFudds, you do not negociate with terrorists that aim to make you slaves.

Blogger James March 03, 2018 2:46 PM  

LES wrote:A meme I've seen: "People without guns shot zero people today."


Yeah, but people WITH knives, bricks, baseball bats, chains, cars, and IED's picked up the slack. People with guns just aren't doing their fair share.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 03, 2018 2:48 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:You need to add Arizona, Montana and most of the other states in the Mountain West and Great Plains to that list. Along with the Eastern parts of Oregon and Washington.

As a resident, I think you can add Missouri to that list as well. Very strong constitutional provisions here and very strong 2A support, outside of STL & KC, of course. My sheriff is a guy who looks up to Sheriff Richard Mack.

Blogger FP March 03, 2018 2:49 PM  

@33

Mods seem in a mood today. Not sure why my post was eaten.

Blogger dienw March 03, 2018 2:50 PM  

Those who demand that an age limit and a mental fitness test should be applied to anyone who owns or purchases a gun should be told the same qualifications apply to the 1st, 3rd through 8th amendments and the fake right to an abortion; even the right to vote.

Answers to the following questions should be demanded of the gun grabbers:

Answer these questions:
1. Have you ever been on or used psychotropic drugs legally or illegally;
2. Have you ever seen a psychologist/psychiatrist;
3. Have you ever been depress and treated or not treated;

A yes to any of these questions disqualifies you from participating in the rights and privileges of being a human being.

And fourthly;

4. Are 21 years of age or older. if not, you have no rights.

Blogger James March 03, 2018 2:59 PM  

DonReynolds wrote: Unfortunately, the gun grabbers can act much more quickly to confiscate the firearms (and destroy them) while any lawsuit could take many years to reverse that mistake. They would enjoy fait accompli, and come up with plenty of excuses and complaints to make it permanent....not to mention the fact that the physical firearms (property) would either be confused or destroyed along the way, and unrecoverable.

Is there any State in America that has an electronic database of gun owners? I don't know. But, I live in Texas. There is none here. So, my question is "How are the gun grabbers going to know the millions of gun owners in the State of Texas so they can confiscate their firearms?" I'm sure there are a lot of public faces that support gun ownership that would be made an example of, but there is NO WAY those that want to disarm ever one would get any more than a fraction of the guns in private hands. Sure, they could go to stores that sell guns, request the paper trail they keep in storage, catalog them, and then go visit the purchasers. Believe me, there is nothing quickly about that! By the time they get to your door, you will have had all your guns "stolen" by some group of blacks and antifa types (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). Then once their initial foray fails, they'll declare victory and go away. And, hopefully, the Minute Men will have reformed and start the midnight rides to repay the traitors. Oh, what am I saying? This is America. Nobody has the balls to do that. Just go back to sleep, sheep.

OpenID hornofthemark March 03, 2018 3:27 PM  

darkdoc wrote:Pro-2A folks should start screeching and pointing that the DFL is trying to disarm all black and Hispanic people in MN.

You joke, but I was down at the MN State Capitol on Thursday for the committee hearings on a couple smaller gun control bills (both of which got tabled). One of those selected to testify was the head of the African American Gun Club of MN (or something along those lines), and he was making just that argument: that blacks have it hard enough already, and that the universal background check bill would make it harder for blacks to get guns.

Of note, the pro-2A folks outnumbered the opposition at least 3:1. The opposition was almost entirely white boomers. Plenty of Gen X and Millenials on the pro-2A side. Opposition was better organized and color-coordinated, but pre-2A was clearly more grassroots.

Blogger Brett baker March 03, 2018 3:33 PM  

But it was different in 1775! Why, why, I wasn't the person benefiting from exploiting the American rabble!

Blogger Brett baker March 03, 2018 3:47 PM  

But it was different in 1775! Why, why, I wasn't the person benefiting from exploiting the American rabble!

Blogger Infidel1776 March 03, 2018 3:53 PM  

Why I own guns:
1. It is my responsibility to defend myself, my family , my property.
2. Armed civilians are the best hedge against government tyranny (See Revolution, American)
3. I like shit that goes BANG when I squeeze the trigger.

Blogger Salt March 03, 2018 4:55 PM  

Talk talk talk... argue argue argue. It's apparent the reason for having the 2nd Amendment is beginning to rear its head. Buy more ammo.

Blogger LP999-16 March 03, 2018 5:23 PM  

Do Not Forget: http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/11/somali-charged-in-bloody-stabbing-attack-at-mall-of-america/

There was no screaming to dis arm stores of simple kitchen knives whom mostly women use. Nope, Silence.

Disarm the people so islam can, what, take over?

No, it can't happen here, this will rally people to the polls or Minn will go gun free, reads like a daily war meme.

Blogger Kona Commuter March 03, 2018 5:24 PM  

Regarding requiring a permit to buy a firearm.

I'm in Australia. I already own 4 rifles and three shotguns (to be fair one's a combination 22lr/20g so I did kinda cheat there).

I'm about to enter my fourth week waiting for my permit to purchase a rifle. The rifle? A single shot .22lr

My advice re: firearm restrictions is to not give one inch. They'll never be happy and they won't keep their promise of "that's all we're asking". In Australia they moved from restricting the action type (semi-auto & pump action _shotguns_ they didn't know pump rifles existed) onto magazine capacity and calibres. Recently there were noises made to restrict the amount of ammunition you could buy.

Not one inch or concession. Well maybe if you could get them to grant concessions. Like "deport them all and build the wall so we don't need machine guns" (losing access to machine guns isn't a biggie considering how few of them exist... just make sure that the law is very specific about what constitutes a machine gun.... maybe so specific that it's the spin barrel one?)

Blogger LP999-16 March 03, 2018 5:28 PM  

48 Yeah, everything is legal to buy its a great surge to sales and helps local cleaners and mom-pop shops whom are trained, godly, lawful etc., train the public in CCW to simple advice like ammo.

Cleaners in that locals can earn money cleaning arms while learning about them.

It is all good.

Blogger VD March 03, 2018 7:27 PM  

OK.....I did not realize that any mention of the 18th Amendment would be deleted here.
Yeah, that was fast.


Stop whining. You were told not to touch the poop. You were told this would happen BECAUSE THAT IS HOW BLOGGER'S SPAM TRAP HAS ALWAYS OPERATED.

Not rocket science.

Blogger Paradox March 03, 2018 7:31 PM  

Call it the Defend the 2nd Amendment from HOGGwash law. Also include a line about these libertarian cucks bitching about GA taking away Delta’s 40 million tax break.

Blogger My Dead Gramps March 03, 2018 8:03 PM  

Not an American, so I've refrained from forming any real opinion, but

"HF 3022 would also make gun owner private data public. This would include:

-Number and type of guns you own
-Your address"
Won't this paint a massive target on legal gun owners for organised gun theft? Are the people putting this forward that stupid, or is it pure malice towards gun owners?

OpenID Mike Jackson March 03, 2018 8:03 PM  

The NRA ought to promote and sanction the organization of militias. It's perfectly legal, and only an armed force that is visible and organized will fulfill Barnhill's desire that the government fears of the people so there is Liberty.

OpenID lordofthehundreds March 03, 2018 10:55 PM  

Thank God this level of nonsense never reached the Virginia House of Delegates, thanks to the best state legislative committee in the United States, the Virginia House Militia, Police and Public Safety Committee, still thoroughly stocked by decent, God-fearing Virginian men who still believe in Liberty, the Second Amendment, and our state's own Art. 1, Section 13.

I hope the State of Minnesota arrests the b@stards who came up with this rubbish. These Marxist terrorists deserve nothing less--make an example of them for decency's sake.

Blogger smee March 03, 2018 11:33 PM  

seems Trump accomplished what he wanted: energize his base, and let out reams of rope to his opposition. seems it worked.

Blogger Jack Amok March 03, 2018 11:42 PM  

Won't this paint a massive target on legal gun owners for organised gun theft? Are the people putting this forward that stupid, or is it pure malice towards gun owners?


These are the same people who ran Fast and Furious to give guns to Mexican drug cartels in the hopes they would be used in crimes that could be propagandized for the anti-gun agenda.

Blogger John Bradley March 04, 2018 1:28 AM  

Won't this paint a massive target on legal gun owners for organised gun theft? Are the people putting this forward that stupid, or is it pure malice towards gun owners?

Yes, yes, and yes. In that order.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 04, 2018 7:50 AM  

CERTAINLY not advocating violence!

But, if the legislators who have sponsored or signed on to, e.g., this MN bill, found their houses hit by one or two paintball rounds, it might be a salutary lesson in just how UNsafe pissing off a hundred million gun owners / 2nd Amendment supporters with stupid unConstitutional laws would be.

And the fed-level legislators as well. Not a paint-bath, but merely one or two 'hits' where it hurts (at home!) to point out that the Right is NOT fooling around.

I'm SURE the cops and Feebs would be swarming trying to ID the "perps" (who would be treated, if caught, WAY worse than aboriginals who actually raped and killed citizens), so careful timing and good camo / disguising would be required.

But, it would send a signal that could not be confused! Esp. if all us non-actors swarmed the socials with 'cold, dead hands' memes and messages.

(I'm thinking of the BBC Sherlock episode where Moriarty 'sends a message' to the jurors over their hotel TVs, so they acquit him.)

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 04, 2018 7:56 AM  

@39 "The Constitution declares that state be a republic....Perhaps it is time to start suing each state that is refusing to be a republic and obey the bill of rights."

Sure, because the COURTS have proven to be such staunch bastions of LAW! (This is the ... sad/blind belief that someone somewhere will be "big daddy fairness" and ACTUALLY decide a case on the merits!

The courts are not that far from a flat-out casino! And 'your' defense att'ny depends on GOOD relations with the judges and the other attn'ys WAY more than he relies on your mere pittance to keep his OWN family in house and food. It's why, more often than not, the good ones fight tooth and nail (mostly) for their client, and then after they lose, they go out for drinks with the one who beat them!

(Did you not notice that the actual President of the U.S. cannot even get his 100% LEGAL decisions through the +*#$&%^*+ courts?! How much power do you think "We the People" HAVE here?!

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 04, 2018 7:59 AM  

@47 "Is there any State in America that has an electronic database of gun owners? I don't know. But, I live in Texas. There is none here."

Sorry, you answered the question incompletely. Your answer should have been phrased:

I live in Texas. "SO far as I know, legally," There is none here.

Yes? (NSA -- recording EVERY phone call and email to the NICS?)

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 04, 2018 8:07 AM  

@57 Am I the only one who thinking that, in all his pix (haven't seen a video of him), this Hogg child LOOKS LIKE the next school shooter!? SAME 'zealot' eyes as the Cultural Revolution terrorists who viciously breaking/mangling all the fingers of the reparative-cosmetic surgeon because he took before and after pix of his patients... and kidney doctors did not!

He's a bit scary! (Just were WAS he during the shooting?!)

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 04, 2018 8:12 AM  

@62 "These are the same people who ran Fast and Furious to give guns to Mexican drug cartels in the hopes they would be used in crimes that could be propagandized for the anti-gun agenda.

And, in case you missed it (what with being outside the U.S.A.) those guns (at least as reported) have killed some 30 Mexicans and an American Border Guard officer.

TPTB are perfectly happy to kill people -- including school children -- to achieve their purposes. Really -- do any of US think for a second before stomping on an ant in the kitchen? Or shooting a coyote (the 4-legged furry kind) on sight? NOT different!

Blogger traderdoc March 04, 2018 10:53 AM  

Isn't Vox only proposing "sensible gun freedoms" and "sensible gun controls"?

All your memes are ours.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 04, 2018 2:32 PM  

y'all are putting too fine a point on it.
Those guns were sold to know violent criminals in Mexico in hope that they would kill Americans with them. The plot would not work without Americans being killed. Obama and Holder wanted Americans to be killed with the guns they illegally sold to Mexican drug cartels, so they could push gun control.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii March 04, 2018 6:04 PM  

Also available as an audio drama www.artc.org

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