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Wednesday, March 28, 2018

Here we go

It looks like some of the damning information is beginning to leak out to the press:
Newly uncovered text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page suggest a possible coordination between high-ranking officials at the Obama White House, CIA, FBI, Justice Department and former Senate Democratic leadership in the early stages of the investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to GOP congressional investigators on Wednesday.

The investigators say the information provided to Fox News “strongly” suggests coordination between former President Barack Obama’s Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, and CIA Director John Brennan — which they say would “contradict” the Obama administration’s public stance about its hand in the process.
There will be far more than this coming to light. But just this would be enough to land some very high-ranking government officials - and former government officials - in prison.

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86 Comments:

Blogger SemiSpook37 March 28, 2018 7:48 PM  

Somehow methinks these geniuses didn’t think their cunning plan quite all the way through...

Blogger SouthRon March 28, 2018 7:54 PM  

They were supposed to retain control and memory hole it.

Blogger Brick Hardslab March 28, 2018 7:56 PM  

They were certain they could cheat their way to a win. They had done it so often before at the state and even federal level that they were sure.

They just didn't realize how unpopular and fed up the people were. I would love to see the real numbers of American citizens that voted for Trump and Hilary.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 28, 2018 7:58 PM  

As Robert Welch used to say they were running naked to the finish line...and got caught with their pants down.

Blogger JACIII March 28, 2018 8:05 PM  

The good Lord answered a lot of prayers on election night. That, beer, Bourbon and boobies is how we know He loves us.

Blogger DonReynolds March 28, 2018 8:07 PM  

TREASON at the highest levels of government is no longer surprising.
Ask the British if we can use the Tower of London for a few months. In return, we will schedule the Super Bowl there next year.

Blogger Nathan March 28, 2018 8:08 PM  

Brennan always seemed like someone who got the job because he was just smart enough to go along and not question or make waves; a potential fall guy, if need be. His ill-considered remarks to the President recently only conformed it.

Blogger Anno Ruse March 28, 2018 8:28 PM  

Are guillotines too French for us to use? I'm happy with the hanging rope but it does lack a certain elegance. Perhaps Trump can appoint a headsman.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 28, 2018 8:48 PM  

Titillating as this news is, I wish it hadn't come out now. The success of Operation CLEAN SWEEP will hinge on making simultaneous arrests and seizures of evidence. Particularly computers. Remember that the goal isn't the arrest of a few small fish, or even a few big ones.

It's a clean sweep of the entire corrupt organization. And like a chain reaction, the bigger and hotter the ignition point, the bigger the bang when it's all over.

Anonymous Anonymous March 28, 2018 8:57 PM  

@8... stand them on an ice block, put noose around neck....... wait....... plenty good for me......and it has an Indian like touch. Or put wet rawhide around the neck, tie semi tight.......let dry... That's for me and Vox with Indian blood :)

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 28, 2018 8:59 PM  

Saurons... uh... Soros' wrath will be swift. Be on your guards!

Blogger Ghost Bear March 28, 2018 9:01 PM  

Vox, everytime you say things that don't end up happening, you diminish yourself.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 28, 2018 9:02 PM  

Alas, I cannot identify any capital crimes. The big one is Seditious Conspiracy, which carries a 20 year sentence.

Blogger basementhomebrewer March 28, 2018 9:05 PM  

A big one would be uncovering widespread voter fraud operations coordinated through high ranking officials. I think they have engaged in at least a little stuffing of the ballot boxes in key locations. This is proving that they thought their communications were safe, so I wouldn't doubt evidence exists, possibly going back decades. That would drain a whole lot of the swamp in 1 fell swoop before they even start hitting the treason charges.

Blogger Unknown March 28, 2018 9:09 PM  

The tendency of the alt-left to cloister themselves off from real people bites them in the ass yet again. Add to that a healthy helping of Dunning-Kruger effect, and you get the Obama administration, all the way up through and including Obama himself.

@10 I prefer impalement, myself, as it is amenable to posting their corpse on a pike for all to see.

Blogger Stilicho March 28, 2018 9:32 PM  

As someone quoted Joel Sobran the other day, conspiracy isn't a theory, it's a crime! Your basic criminal conspiracy conviction requires two or more acting in concert to commit a crime (e.g. commit a fraud, malfeasance in office, etc.). There could also be a conspiracy conviction to deprive voters of their civil rights (i.e. nullify their votes for Trump). I'm sure there various and sundry federal crimes committed dealing with misuse of official authority for personal/political gain implicated as well. In the past, this would have been quietly swept under the rug: peaceful transition of power, hallmark of democracy (and you leave us alone and we'll do the same old chap). But now we have a President who understands that the next Democrat administration will come after him and his family no matter what, so the old rules no longer apply. The traitorous scum have tied the noose around their collective neck and left Trump no choice but to pull it as tight as he can.

Blogger Katusov March 28, 2018 9:36 PM  

I am not getting my hopes up (to much) over the recent disclosures. We have investigations galore, some resignations, firings, and a tidal wave of propaganda from the MSM. No arrest or trials of the big names yet. How will this all end? With a bang,or a whimper?

Blogger Nate March 28, 2018 9:40 PM  

This is not good. The last text leak was sighted by sessions as one of his big concerns.

Anonymous Anonymous March 28, 2018 9:59 PM  

High drama http://www.thestoryofq.com

Let the speculating begin

Blogger Robert Pinkerton March 28, 2018 9:59 PM  

@11, Doktor Jeep:
Should not George's surname be spelled T-s-u-r-i-s?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 28, 2018 10:02 PM  

@12 Thanks for your concern.

Blogger JACIII March 28, 2018 10:04 PM  

Don't know his credibility, but Jerome Corsi says Q is a military intelligence group.

Blogger jla March 28, 2018 10:05 PM  

Access denied. wtf

Blogger jla March 28, 2018 10:09 PM  

Now it works.

Blogger James Dixon March 28, 2018 10:15 PM  

> Are guillotines too French for us to use? I'm happy with the hanging rope but it does lack a certain elegance. Perhaps Trump can appoint a headsman.

The firing squad would seem most appropriate. They could sell chances to be on it and use the proceeds on the wall.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 28, 2018 10:16 PM  

@22 It's a civil war in our federal bureaucracy: civilian intelligence versus military intelligence. Recent developments regarding Christopher Steele might suggest that intelligence agencies in Western Europe may have been compromised as well.

Crazy conspiracy theory: the demise of the American mafia could have created a power vacuum.

Blogger LP999-16 March 28, 2018 10:17 PM  

12

No, Vox is honest, upright and real, he is credible (since 2001 WND, 2003 blog), of high IQ and he does not diminish himself.

Blogger LP999-16 March 28, 2018 10:18 PM  

Corsi to John B wells are credible. Give them a chance -

Looking forward to what else the GE or POTUS has cooking.

Blogger kurt9 March 28, 2018 10:29 PM  

The reason why I find all of these "conspiracy" theories about how the FBI, CIA, etc. worked with Obama and Clinton in an attempt to derail Trump is because they are all amateurs. The Obama administration people were such amateurs that it was actually painful to watch the white house spokeswoman making a public announcement. She came across as a college freshmen making her first speech in class. The other reason why I say they are amateurs is because they clearly did not understand the law sufficiently to know that what they were doing was highly illegal and that, if they understood such, they made such a half-ass attempt to cover it up. These people are pikers compared to Nixon's plumbers (Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Hunt).

I think we are in for a real interesting summer.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 28, 2018 10:34 PM  

He is accusing one of a handful of thinkers who accurately predicted the outcome of the election, with making false predictions.
That just goes to show that you can be a phenom at something, and still be condemned by idiots.
Which makes sense. There are people who insist that Georges St. Pierre can't fight. There was a music critic who wrote that Pavarotti didn't have the right vocal talent to sing opera.
That's a good lesson for us non-phenoms, who might cave because of a critic.

Blogger tublecane March 28, 2018 10:47 PM  

@Stilicho- That Gentleman's Agreement should've been done after Watergate, but for whatever reason the Outer Party has struck back til now.

Blogger tublecane March 28, 2018 10:52 PM  

@kurt19- There was of course a famous book about the Obama White House called the Amateur, by Edward Klein.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 28, 2018 10:55 PM  

Q is on FIYAH!

MSM talking about red v. blue pill?
Matrix reference?
Coincidence?
Q

He/ They could be referring to this article by John Stossel:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/27/john-stossel-why-so-many-are-taking-red-pill-and-discovering-truth-about-mainstream-media.html

Blogger HMS Defiant March 28, 2018 10:56 PM  

No. We hope it will but know it won't. Those people protect each other to the death and the DOJ is largely a pond of Obama lawyers.

Blogger tuberman March 28, 2018 11:01 PM  

"Somehow methinks these geniuses didn’t think their cunning plan quite all the way through..."

What they did not think through very well was their insurance policy.

1) They never thought she could lose, and if she won, all the bungling could have easily been cast aside. Their power would have allowed for incompetence.

2) Their insurance was the Russia, Russia, Russia thing with Media control, both MSM, and the net Barons. What they did not realize was the Russia thing was a seup (they really thought Trump was involved with Russia, as they were led into these beliefs by Trump's team). And, they also did not realize, that Trump's people had figured a way to keep the cheating down in several critical states, and just how mad the USA population had become.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman March 28, 2018 11:19 PM  

The dominoes are beginning to fall:
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Feds-raid-home-of-NXIVM-co-founder-Nancy-Salzman-12784322.php

The arrest of their leader is just the tip of the iceberg. It appears that an investigation is occurring that is digging into the workings and tentacles of this group. A group that has long had deep influence with the elite, their children and yes...even the Clinton Foundation.
We are truly living in interesting times!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 28, 2018 11:32 PM  

And here I thought NVXIUM was just where Alison Mack was being all sorry and slutty.

Blogger Unknown March 28, 2018 11:37 PM  

The truth is that it's really the Derp State run by power drunk idiots due for a diningso comeuppance.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 11:39 PM  

@35 tuberman

Their biggest mistake was always to assume Trump was like them. They couldn't conceive that he wasn't. They were on the receiving end of one of the great Intelligence Operations of all time, because that was the only way Trump could be President. Trump's Media Memetic Image was so secure they still can't figure out it's not the core of the Man.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 11:44 PM  

@26 Al From Bay Shore

Well, the Globalists created the Mafia via Prohibition, so they really just replaced one set of the Contraband runner with another.

And the reality is that the main source of "Heavies" for the Globalists is clearly MI6. Reality is the USA might be in the process of eliminating a bunch of UK spy rings & spies. We've got a "black War" on our hands against the UK. This would explain the very cold relationship between Trump & May, and the UK in general. The UK is the home territory of the Globalists, and notice where Trump hasn't gone?

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 11:56 PM  

As to the document drop from the story of Sara Carter (who's clearly being used to by certain factions, though the information is real), the campaign to Drain the Swamp requires the slow building of an Information Cascade. They love to plant story ideas early to slime the Right, they're going to love getting it returned on them.

Blogger AdognamedOp March 28, 2018 11:59 PM  

I'd love to see these vile swamp creatures rounded up and brought to trial but their tentacles run deep into areas of power and influence so they'll likely set the World ablaze before being brought to justice.
Just look at who they work for.

Blogger William Warren March 29, 2018 12:15 AM  

new unblocked url:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/28/documents-suggest-possible-coordination-between-cia-fbi-obama-wh-and-dem-officials-early-in-trump-russia-probe-investigators.html

Blogger Robert Divinity March 29, 2018 12:16 AM  

I know VD has speculated the actual dissolution will happen around 2033, which makes sense given the likely demographic composition then. But I can't see these entrenched monsters, so close to that tipping point, allowing their own to be uprooted and prosecuted without burning everything down now. It wouldn't be a surprise if we have a major upheaval this summer, ahead of schedule, if their power actually seems at risk.

Blogger Looking Glass March 29, 2018 12:19 AM  

@44 Robert Divinity

They need piles of money to have real power. Funny things happen when you try to counter-attack when you can't pay your soldiers.

Blogger Robert Divinity March 29, 2018 12:24 AM  

The Cloud People have piles of money, Looking Glass, and it's bought them much of the federal apparatus. Their problem with their soldiers isn't the pay as much as it is the loyalty. It would be less of an issue with less white shock troops in about 15 years.

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 29, 2018 12:29 AM  

@44 Vox's prediction was made prior to the ascension of the God-Emperor to the Cherry Blossom Throne. Trump has already extended the life of the Republic by at least twenty years. The question now is will it be enough to actually save it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBlYlSs2fIU

Blogger Nick March 29, 2018 12:42 AM  

No, it won't.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 29, 2018 12:55 AM  

@13

"Alas, I cannot identify any capital crimes. The big one is Seditious Conspiracy, which carries a 20 year sentence."

Attempting to throw an election, with the help of foreign powers, while we have an active shooting war going on, is not merely a capital offense -- the Constitution allows DRAWING AND QUARTERING during a shooting war.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) March 29, 2018 1:16 AM  

10. rockcreekmillandheritagefarm March 28, 2018 8:57 PM
it has an Indian like touch.


Indians used to murder colonists by cutting hole in their stomach, pulling out a loop of small intestine and nailing it too a tree and then forcing the victim to walk circles around the tree.

ie - the colonists wound up disemboweling themselves, by unwinding their own guts

Blogger Ahärôwn March 29, 2018 1:21 AM  

This looks to be another leak - perhaps to draw out another leaker. Someone else is most likely going to get fired by Trump soon:

Mar 28 2018 22:14:46 (EDT) Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: 23de7f 825890
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/28/documents-suggest-possible-coordination-between-cia-fbi-obama-wh-and-dem-officials-early-in-trump-russia-probe-investigators.html
Wonder who leaked this.
Fire in the hole.
Q

Blogger Dirk Manly March 29, 2018 1:47 AM  

@22

"Don't know his credibility, but Jerome Corsi says Q is a military intelligence group."

That would be consistent.

That perhaps, the "asking questions" form of giving information is because those are questions they couldn't answer for themselves. The tidbits they do drop, are to keep /pol doing their research for them.

Initially, they probably asked some questions to see if /pol would play, and play well enough to be worth the bother. Since /pol came up with the right answers, and maybe even interesting analysis on the side, then /pol was trusted with more, ... interesting ... questions.. Questions which White House intel couldn't confirm themselves.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 29, 2018 2:02 AM  

@5

Beer contains massive amounts of carbohydrates and damages your brain and liver.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 29, 2018 2:06 AM  

@10

Damn it. Why do you and the Fake Italian come from the cool indian tribed that pop culture glorifies while I come from of the first the white man completely fucked over when they got to the new world but no one really cares about as much?

Blogger Tanjil Bren March 29, 2018 2:30 AM  

The leftist mindset has a very common flaw: overreach.
And it can be counted on as reliably as night follows day.
It's an expression of the mental immaturity that feeds the embrace of leftism in the first place.
As Vox says, there's way more to come.
(Eight years' worth of undisciplined overreach, to be exact...)

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 29, 2018 2:31 AM  

@36 and @37

The fuck? The hell happened to her? Man... I never knew 10 Seasons of Smallville could do that to a person... also interesting to learn the slut who played Lana Lang and is the lead female star of CW's weird ass Beauty and the Beast show also is apparently suffering from being in a show that went on for way longer than it should have.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 29, 2018 2:34 AM  

@48

Hey, if Vox admitted to being wrong about his fake, libertardian ideology that was literally the basis of most of his thinking and articles until relatively recently, he can most certainly be wrong about the general date of America's collapse or if it'll even collapse or if it'll collapse and reassemble itself bigger and better than ever.

Blogger Looking Glass March 29, 2018 2:35 AM  

@56 Emmanuel Mateo-Morales

They target people in "high" optic positions. They're easier for the really evil to play harder without being noticed, then they can slip in their narratives to others.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 29, 2018 2:39 AM  

@40

No, the globalists didn't create Prohibition. Well meaning and some not well meaning Americans did.



@59

I know that but... why would she sign off on that? Did she need the money for blow? Does she really like just abusing people? What's the story there?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 29, 2018 2:42 AM  

@42

Sounds like a simple solution: burning the world before them so they don't get the satisfaction.

Blogger Jack Amok March 29, 2018 3:03 AM  

I know VD has speculated the actual dissolution will happen around 2033...

I always thought 2033 was the outer economic threshold - the point where there wouldn't be enough funny money to keep everything propped up and economic crisis would trigger events with no way to paper things over.

But there's no shortage of powder kegs with fuses carelessly criss-crossing landscape. Less than 1 out of 8 Americans (and that's Americans, not !Americans!) think the fedgov is legitimate. Almost anything could go BOOM, at any time.

Blogger Tanjil Bren March 29, 2018 3:15 AM  

"I know VD has speculated the actual dissolution will happen around 2033..."
Only a moron will not allow for a margin of error.
(Notice I'm not saying what that margin should be...I like to think I'm not a moron.)

Blogger Dirk Manly March 29, 2018 4:09 AM  

@46

"It would be less of an issue with less white shock troops in about 15 years."

Blacks and Mestizos don't want to go infantry, and they aren't smart enough for more than a handful to make it through SF.

Anonymous Anonymous March 29, 2018 4:18 AM  

I've read this article several times now, trying to make some sense of it. (Thanks to William Warren for posting a working link).

I was, first of all, struck again with a powerful sense of wrongness of an FBI "investigation" into an ongoing presidential election. This is something that just should not happen. Even Nixon used unofficial tools for his shenanigans. The line between an "investigation" and downright interference with the political process is going to be easily crossed by people who feel that they occupy the moral high ground, and are acting against evil. This is something any honest government agency should avoid as though it were radioactive. Conclusion: the FBI is not honest.

Nearly a month later, someone talks to Harry Reid. From the Fox article: on August 25, 2016, Brennan went to Capitol Hill to brief Harry Reid — and it was unclear whether FBI officials attended the briefing, a congressional source told Fox News. So John Brennan, the head of the CIA, goes to talk to the senior Democrat Senator...with maybe some FBI folks along(?).

Two days later, Reid writes a letter to FBI Director Comey to request an investigation of the Trump campaign. The only purpose of this letter could have been to create an ex post facto cover for the already existing "investigation". Reid had already been told by Brennan (and other possibly present shady characters) that the FBI and CIA were interested in screwing with the Trump campaign. He knew his letter was not needed to start an "investigation", but only to lend a fig-leaf to one that was already rolling. Reid was lying. He is not an honest man. Neither are the heads of the CIA and FBI honest. These agencies stink, and they need to be raked over some nice hot coals.

Really, what does it take to get the ball rolling here? We've had tons of leaks, we've had the FBI lying to the FISA court, we've had obvious FBI and CIA interference in the electoral process, what the hell does it take to get a special prosecutor appointed for this???

It is time--way past time--for arrests and prosecutions. If what is on the table now won't start the process, then I don't know what will.

Anonymous Anonymous March 29, 2018 4:29 AM  

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/07/breaking-jeff-sessions-already-has-outside-dc-justice-official-investigating-judiciary-committee-concerns/


Hth

Blogger Looking Glass March 29, 2018 5:40 AM  

@64 Sidehill Dodger

Reid was Minority Leader, so he was in the "Gang of 8". He's read in on direct oversight of all of the intelligence agencies. Brennan going to talk to Reid isn't odd, but having information about the FBI there is really, really odd.

There's already 1 outside prosecutor, and the IG report will kick the *public* ball rolling on the rest of the criminal aspects. Though it's going to be a years long event of arrests and unwinding things publicly.

Blogger Uncle John's Band March 29, 2018 5:57 AM  

42. AdognamedOp

"Just look at who they work for."

I think the word for them is "next".

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 29, 2018 6:05 AM  

They can't do signal corps either. For some reason Chem corps get a bunch along with finance corps.

Blogger Aeoli March 29, 2018 6:25 AM  

If executions are actually on the table, the correct choice is public hangings. It's traditional, is associated with criminal behavior (not political dissidents), looks official (and not like right-wing death squads run amok), and properly scares the rabbits into submission without being too cruel (one of the great risks of winning is to become evil ourselves).

Blogger wreckage March 29, 2018 7:17 AM  

The only way to win this part of the war is with utmost attention to detail. Nothing should go before a judge, etc., until the outcome is crystal clear. The corruption is entrenched and to remove it requires thoroughness and a case that can be run simultaneously through courts legal, legislative, and public opinion, leaving no possible avenue of escape; leaving a mark so indelible it cannot be magically transformed into yet another fake martyrdom parade by the left.

I earnestly hope this is the depth and breadth of game Trump is playing. And if it is, it will take time to play out. Ideally it should be such that it is essentially self-sustaining; a process that costs more political, legal, and actual capital to stop than to allow to continue. A situation where vouching for the individual swamp-creature being ground to pulp is tantamount to facing both a real social backlash and plausible charges of conspiracy.

It isn't shock and awe that's going to win this, it's dread and hopelessness.

What we are looking for is a victory characterized in its final phases by extreme despair; for example, the suicides or self-exile of those who have not yet had justice visited upon them, knowing in advance that there will be no possible reprieve, no error, and that absolutely no aspect of their perfidy will escape minute and humiliating examination.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 29, 2018 7:26 AM  

Amen to all of that, wreckage. He's got to do this just right in order for it to be complete and devastating to the Globalists.

Lord give him strength and protect him.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 29, 2018 7:56 AM  

Aeoli wrote:If executions are actually on the table, the correct choice is public hangings. It's traditional, is associated with criminal behavior (not political dissidents), looks official (and not like right-wing death squads run amok), and properly scares the rabbits into submission without being too cruel (one of the great risks of winning is to become evil ourselves).

So, since I'm already LARPing about symbolism when it will end up being decided by gay-ass legal precedents...it would be awesomely triggering to begin constructing a 50-cubit spike in front of the White House.

Blogger James Dixon March 29, 2018 8:43 AM  

> The question now is will it be enough to actually save it?

Aye, that's the $64K question isn't it? The odds are heavily against it, even in the short term. In the long term no empire lasts.

> I always thought 2033 was the outer economic threshold - the point where there wouldn't be enough funny money to keep everything propped up and economic crisis would trigger events with no way to paper things over.

It is, but from memory it's because that is the historical lifespan of a fiat currency. I don't remember that he's predicted what exactly will cause the collapse of the currency, merely that something will.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 29, 2018 8:52 AM  

James Dixon wrote:... from memory it's because that is the historical lifespan of a fiat currency. I don't remember that he's predicted what exactly will cause the collapse of the currency, merely that something will.

Some currencies last shorter than average, some last longer.

My current theory is that when serving senior officers and enlisted see their retired buddies' pension checks bouncing, the empire ends. At the very least, the pretense of normalcy will end.

Will Uncle Sam still be able to kite checks in 2033?

Blogger Avalanche March 29, 2018 9:39 AM  

@52 "Initially, they probably asked some questions to see if /pol would play, and play well enough to be worth the bother. Since /pol came up with the right answers, and maybe even interesting analysis on the side..."

Read a persuasive idea that /pol has been 'groomed'(for a ~decade) to be a free and open intel analysis "unit." That because of the corruption and "smoke-stacking" (no intel service will share info with any OTHER intel service...) -- that /pol was tested and found to be a BETTER analysis unit, without the jealousy and lack of cross-checking and coordination... AND with an equally rough 'validation' challenging service.

We love our chans!!

Blogger James Dixon March 29, 2018 9:49 AM  

> Will Uncle Sam still be able to kite checks in 2033?

I've always worked on the assumption that when debt payments go over 50% of revenues, things go downhill rapidly.

Our current revenues are around $3.3T. So that happens when debt payments go over $1.65T. With $20T in debt, at 2% interest that's only $400B, so we're OK for now. Now if rates go up to 5% (which is a lot closer to the long term rate average than 2% is) that shoots up to $1T.

Blogger Avalanche March 29, 2018 10:02 AM  

@61 " the actual dissolution will happen around 2033..."

You really really really have to factor in the oncoming Ice Age (we started the slide in 2014) -- and what it will do to agriculture! JUST like with all this info we're tracking about what's going on politically; there is a whole WORLD of scientists metaphorically waving placards and screaming to be heard.

We're running headlong into a convergence of three "sun cycles" that put us into almost assuredly NOT in a Dalton Minimum, but a Maunder Minimum... (heard of the Little Ice Age? The Thames freezing over completely and "Frost Fairs" ON the ice!? The Younger Dryas plunge back into deep ice age?

There are both Chinese and the Russians scientists -- and a bunch of Western scientists -- who are placing the 'nadir' of the cooling in 2030 or 2031.

Sit through a YouTube of John Coleman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ps5VhSHzyo
John Casey Exposes Global Warming Fraud In 2017 - 2017 (1 hr)

Excerpt from a longer interview: NASA Scientist says Be Prepared for Famine due to Global Cooling 18 min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Hx2icHY9Q

Dr. Judith Curry (with Mark Steyn) (5.9min). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh6zDbWMuP0

Look at (the weird but brilliant!) Lord Monckton's speeches (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8).

Dr. Tim Ball's talks (start here? (2min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWqDBudgC8c.

Dr. Roy Spencer. (22 min.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGn-Vcxztng

Dr. Richard Lindzen (56min.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RLPdEMjphM

Blogger RobertT March 29, 2018 11:09 AM  

With all this stuff pouring out, why is nothing happening? Will anything ever happen? The Q boards and it's even the Medium Stream Media, but nothing happens.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 29, 2018 2:03 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:No, the globalists didn't create Prohibition. Well meaning and some not well meaning Americans did.
Churchians created prohibition.

Blogger Lazy Hero March 29, 2018 2:48 PM  

I like the way you think. I'm keeping my eye on you.

Blogger PapayaSF March 29, 2018 2:54 PM  

Remember that Trump is both a showman and a student of Sun Tzu. He understands the importance of suspense and timing, and of preparing the audience for big shocks. He also knows that what keeps a scandal alive is a constant dribble of new information. That's why crisis management consultants tell clients to just get it all out, and hope the news cycle moves on. It also suits his dramatic and political purposes if his supporters express frustration at the slow pace and bay for blood, so don't let me stop anyone from such expressions.

Trump knows the November midterms are crucial to his long-term success, but they are still too far away. Seven months is an eternity in politics. The full force of the Storm needs to hit closer to November.

As for executions, don't get your hopes up. That would be a step too far. Indictments, plea deals/trials, and public shaming will be more than sufficient to destroy Hillary and Obama and their minions.

Blogger Lazy Hero March 29, 2018 4:50 PM  

Not saying I don't believe you, trust me I want to because I'm part Indian myself and hate hate hate the liberal trope of happy hippies smoking rope in the woods, so can you provide a source?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 29, 2018 7:44 PM  

@77
The Thames freezing over completely and "Frost Fairs" ON the ice!? The Younger Dryas plunge back into deep ice age?

I'll bet you wampum to bagels that the MSM will still blame it on manmade greenhouse gasses!

Anonymous Anonymous March 29, 2018 10:14 PM  

I see Sessions is up to his usual dank-swamp methods...

Sessions names Obama appointee to run the investigation into the FBI/Obama/Clinton machine to derail Trump

Perhaps this is an especially deep 666-D chess move.. All this lawlessness exposed an we have what? a single indictment of a low-level FBI badge-gang goonda? Horowitz (the IG) is yet another Obamabot who the master strategists have left in office to obstruct any semblance of justice. Funny how there are all these Obama/Clinton operatives still seated in positions of authority in the Trump administration - well over a year after he assumed office. Time will tell, but things really are looking increasingly kayfabe.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 29, 2018 11:26 PM  

genkong wrote:Funny how there are all these Obama/Clinton operatives still seated in positions of authority in the Trump administration - well over a year after he assumed office. Time will tell, but things really are looking increasingly kayfabe.

It really is odd. If they were trying to fool us, couldn't Trump have hauled in some Deep State Bush-era retreads to orchestrate the coverup? Surely they could have done more plausible theater?

People keep suggesting that 0bammybots like Muller are being kept on, with the promise of pardons and the threat of jail or worse, to investigate their own crimes and convict the bigger fish like Jarrett and Holder, Lynch and 0bammy. If that's true, surely they could make quicker progress? After all, they know where they buried the bodies, and who ordered them to bury them in the first place.

It is a puzzlement.

Blogger Thucydides March 30, 2018 11:32 AM  

The glacial pace of things is frustrating, and there is always the danger that leaving them "out there" allows them access to resources which could undo the Trump Administration and the Populist movement in America in general.

We can already see the process in motion as the tech oligarchies move to silence any dissent against the Progressive project, and we are nowhere near to breaking the networks of power, finance and influence that the Progressives have woven for decades, even with small victories like watching the NFL plummet and #metoo burning a hole in the entertainment industry.

A resounding defeat of the Democrats in the mid terms and 2020 elections is perhaps the best thing *we* can engineer on our own, outside of the ongoing processes inside the beltway, and continuing boycotts will eventually have the network breaking effects once the accumulated cash runs out (the Progressives can ride out these disruptions for years, if necessary).

Building our own platforms, as Vox constantly advises us is perhaps the best long term solution, since that will create new networks and allow us to rebuild the high trust society that allows Western civilization to do great things again.

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