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Wednesday, March 28, 2018

The sustainability of nationalism

More from The Seneca Effect by Ugo Bardi.
Japan escaped the boom and bust cycles of many other pre-modern human civilizations and managed to create a stable and relatively prosperous society. Of course, that doesn't mean that Edo Japan was Paradise on Earth. It was a tightly regulated society where individual freedom and individual rights were unknown concepts. Social inequality was also very pronounced and political power was concentrated in the hands of a small number of wealthy landlords.

Still, we can learn a lot from ancient Japan on how to create a society that doesn't overexploit its resources and maintains the natural wealth of its territory. The Japanese interpretation of the concept of sustainability made it possible for them to develop a remarkably sophisticated society. The skills of the Japanese craftsmen are still legendary today, while Japan attained achievements in poetry and figurative art that are a cultural heritage of all humankind: from Hokusai's prints to Basho's sophisticated poetry. In comparison, it is truly heartbreaking to note how the cultural treasures that Ireland had produced during its long history were destroyed by the greed and the carelessness of the foreign rulers of Ireland.

So, how could the Japanese attain sustainability whereas Ireland couldn't? It is, of course, a complex question, but I can list here the main factors that differentiated Japan and Ireland during the ninetieth century.
  1. Japan had a strong national government. Ireland was governed by a different country.
  2. Japan had a well-developed commercial system and a national currency. Ireland had neither.
  3. Japan was isolated, practicing no commerce with other countries. Ireland was integrated with the British worldwide commercial system.
  4. Japan is a country of steep mountain ranges and low coastline. Ireland is mainly flat, with high coastlines.
What can we reasonably conclude from this in light of the current situation? Among other things, this: the neo-liberal world order, which increasingly depends upon globalization, international migration, and multiculturalism, is unsustainable, unstable, and intrinsically fragile. Nationalism is the solution, which is why both progressivism and conservatism are irrelevant and the Alt-Right is inevitable over time.

Christian nationalism is the one and only way to preserve Western civilization, as well as the many fruits of the West such as science, human liberty, and inside plumbing. You may not wish to accept that reality for one reason or another, but your excuses and your alternatives are rapidly vanishing.

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Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 8:15 AM  

I'm not quite sure why #4 is too important, unless it's about the defensive nature of the islands, comparatively. Japan would have been history's greatest meatgrinder to invade. Ireland is, relatively, much easier to move armies across, as various other European powers demonstrated for years.

Blogger M. Bibliophile March 28, 2018 8:17 AM  

@LG

It's a defensibility issue. Same reason Poland and Mesopotamia get rolled over every few hundred years.

Blogger Nate March 28, 2018 8:18 AM  

Nationalism has been around forever. It doesn't need to be proven. The other thing does.

Blogger The Observer March 28, 2018 8:18 AM  

It was a tightly regulated society where individual freedom and individual rights were unknown concepts. Social inequality was also very pronounced and political power was concentrated in the hands of a small number of wealthy landlords.

He says that like it's a bad thing, at least where the Japanese are concerned.

Blogger VD March 28, 2018 8:21 AM  

I'm not quite sure why #4 is too important, unless it's about the defensive nature of the islands, comparatively.

It concerns internal trade and transport. It was very hard to trade inside Ireland back when it was vastly cheaper to ship goods by water than by land.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 28, 2018 8:24 AM  

Jay Dyer's take on civilizations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGTmYGc9b5A
I came across him Warski Live. Orthodox Apologetics are solid, they don't cede ground, even on Genesis.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 8:25 AM  

@5 VD

Okay, that makes sense. Ireland would have also had far more trade with other Nations, where Japan had fairly minimal amounts for centuries.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 8:31 AM  

@2 M. Bibliophile

Vox addressed it. Japan is far more defensible on the interior, but there's actually a lot of places to invade from the Sea. (In modern mechanized sense, it's far more limited.) That didn't seem like the most salient point for what the professor would be focused on, which is why I brought it up.

The topic of the comparison is also focused on the 19th Century, so some of the defensive aspects didn't seem like they were the most applicable.

Blogger freddie_mac March 28, 2018 8:44 AM  

Love the graphic -- simple but quite effective.

Blogger Daniel March 28, 2018 8:44 AM  

Great meme find. Incidentally, the anagram for "COEXIST" minus the "lady-boy" E is "TOXICS."

Blogger Nate March 28, 2018 8:50 AM  

thinking about globalist nations vs nationalist nations...

when you look back to the War of Southern Independence... you had a state with a globalist ricardian economy... vs a protectionist state with a nationalist homogeneous economy.

Why didn't the South have manufacturing? Because we didn't need it. We produced the raw materials. Others produced the goods and sold them back to us. The war is often packaged as the New North vs the Old South but in reality it was the opposite. The South had a modern global economy based on trade all over the world.

The protectionist nationalist state won.

Blogger exfarmkid March 28, 2018 9:00 AM  

11. Nate

That is an interesting thought.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 9:01 AM  

@11 Nate

True. It's been pointed out a few times the Southern States had the most wealth, as well, but the expanse of infrastructure building during the 1850s in the North was massive. The infrastructure building was for interior growth, not exterior trade, which turned out to be rather important as none of those trading partners really showed up to "help".

Any globalist approach has the problem of the Tourist Location. Tourism is high optics, but notice all of those beautiful resort areas don't have any modern features beyond the resort itself. Unless it's in an already modern economy.

Blogger tz March 28, 2018 9:09 AM  

I think it was a recent William S Lind missive that noted that Christendom basically killed itself in WW1 because the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the other powers were linked multiculturally, i.e. beyond ethnic identities, so what should have been a war between Serbia and one other country turned into a world war.

The two world wars are what you get from trans-nationalism, i.e. globalism.

Today's globalists are painting smily faces on all things but that is the same pressure (yes, guns too, if you refuse to bake a gay wedding cake) that turned some Francs into Vichy Nazis cooperating with a foreign occupying army. Today it is the Muslims that is the foreign occupying army.

We forget that even in the New Testament, Samaritans were the "half breeds" since some Jews took non-Jewish wives after the return, and Jesus was not exactly cordial to those he met. The Samaritans and Greeks that became Christians did NOT become Jews and didn't need to go to Jerusalem (good thing considering 70AD).

It's okay to be an Alien, even and especially a successful one in a different nation, but trying to misceganate or reverse Babel is not going to work and will bring forth much sorrow.

Buried somewhere in the Talmud is a command for Jews to help the nation they are in and be good to it, but that has been perverted to "fix the nation", and to destroy its culture, especially Christianity. Somehow the occult paganism and eugenic science of the Nazis which was responsible for the Holocaust has been turned to blame Christians and Christendom which rejects evolution and eugenics and Christians who hid Jews.

So Caitlyn Jenner gets some kind of hero of Israel award. The SPLC attacks anyone who doesn't want a Mosque, but also attacks people who are out of the closet Christians.

It will be interesting when the Muslims start burning down Synagogues with the Jews inside and no one comes to their defense.

Blogger Dirtnapninja March 28, 2018 9:14 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:Vox addressed it. Japan is far more defensible on the interior, but there's actually a lot of places to invade from the Sea. (In modern mechanized sense, it's far more limited.) That didn't seem like the most salient point for what the professor would be focused on, which is why I brought it up.

The topic of the comparison is also focused on the 19th Century, so some of the defensive aspects didn't seem like they were the most applicable.


Japan was also lucky in that the one power capable of conquering Japan had no real desire to do so.

Blogger Some Guy March 28, 2018 9:23 AM  

"Japan was also lucky in that the one power capable of conquering Japan had no real desire to do so."

They were too busy fighting mongol invaders who were every bit as ¡Chinese! as the Chinese.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 9:40 AM  

@15 Dirtnapninja

There's a joke about "no one wants to vacation in Kyushu" in there.

Blogger pyrrhus March 28, 2018 9:46 AM  

Japan is a remarkable and unique society. When the Japanese were still hunter/gatherers, they began making pottery, something no other group is known to have accomplished.

Blogger Chris Ritchie March 28, 2018 9:50 AM  

when you look back to the War of Southern Independence... you had a state with a globalist ricardian economy... vs a protectionist state with a nationalist homogeneous economy.

Why didn't the South have manufacturing? Because we didn't need it. We produced the raw materials. Others produced the goods and sold them back to us. The war is often packaged as the New North vs the Old South but in reality it was the opposite. The South had a modern global economy based on trade all over the world.


Love this. I came to this understanding after reading The Real Lincoln by Thomas DiLorenzo. I try to tell that message whenever I come across anyone talking about, ahem, "The War of Northern Aggression" as it's known here in the South.

Blogger Desdichado March 28, 2018 10:07 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Japan is a remarkable and unique society. When the Japanese were still hunter/gatherers, they began making pottery, something no other group is known to have accomplished.
That's not true at all. The Ertebølle culture, the Ellerbek culture, the Dnieper-Donets culture, just off the top of my head, are all pottery making hunter gatherers (and fishers) from our own proto-European ancestry.

Blogger Jack Ward March 28, 2018 10:11 AM  

Label ones self a Christian Nationalist sounds good to me. It says Alt Right without saying it which can somewhat defuse tense situations here and there [relatives, etc] not that I much give a rats rear end if someone is triggered. It does give you a few more priceless seconds to get the pistol in battery.

Blogger Chris Ritchie March 28, 2018 10:12 AM  

Can someone talk to me about the Christian's involvement in nationalism? I've read some of the sermons in the run up to the American Revolution. I wasn't able to find solid justification for the overthrow of the British government from a Christian perspective. I've read Aquinas' Just War theory. I've been searching, in vain, for adequate counter points to the pacifists of the Amish and Quakers, among others. I have Belloc's classic book on the Crusades on my book shelf. It still seems more a political enterprise by an ascendant Catholic church vying for power in the East rather than a move directed by God.

I get that we need to have national borders and they should be defended. I served in the U.S. military as an officer. What I don't get is how a group of Christians were to ever justify carving out a nation for themselves and their posterity. I just don't see it in the teachings of Jesus or in any of the letters from the apostles in the New Testament. They all lived and died in the authoritarian empire of Rome.

I also agree with another poster about "neither Greek nor Jew,..." applied only to those "IN CHRIST." This brotherhood of man argument is not Biblical, but secular, as Jesus proved by calling the Canaanite woman a dog. (Matthew 15) That's pretty harsh, but true. Depending on your reading of scripture, it's possible they were even of another bloodline (giants, nephilim, and all that).

I'm open to suggestions on books or essays that will more clearly support Christians participating in nation building. What I see is for us to remain in whatever state (circumstance) we are called. (1 Corinthians 7:20)

The last thing I will say is that for now, I don't regard the godless SJW white man down the road as my brother in Christ. He isn't. I do regard the Christian black man my brother and would trust him before I would trust the SJW. He is here. There is no sending him back to Liberia or elsewhere.

I understand the cuckservative argument. I'm willing to fight. I'm just now sure about fighting based on skin color until I'm forced to.

Blogger Andrew March 28, 2018 10:21 AM  

Chris Ritchie, the New Testament is not a complete blueprint for the organization of society. If you want to find where Jesus or his Apostles give you the details for how to set up your nation you'll be searching forever. Learn history. Use your brain and common sense.

Blogger vorlos March 28, 2018 10:23 AM  

That's not how blacks see it. You will be forced to.

Blogger Desdichado March 28, 2018 10:23 AM  

I do regard the Christian black man my brother and would trust him before I would trust the SJW. He is here. There is no sending him back to Liberia or elsewhere.

I would too, but why is there no sending him back to Liberia? How do you think Liberia was founded in the first place?

My own preferred solution to the Black Problem is to first, immediately stop any and all payments of any form of cultural or financial blackgeld. Secondly, allow them to establish their own nations. Whether this is through a combination of local enclaves (the Rez model), reverse colonialism (the Liberia model), or telling them to carve out new homes in the territory of our enemies in the Middle East or central America, I'm somewhat indifferent.

Any who remain here had better be the "talented tenth" and they better behave. If they do, I'd be OK with them as neighbors. We've lived the entirety of our nation with them as neighbors as it is, and I think it can still be done.

But the idea that there's no such thing as a difference between us is anti-scientific and anti-reality.

Blogger pyrrhus March 28, 2018 10:29 AM  

That's not true at all. The Ertebølle culture, the Ellerbek culture, the Dnieper-Donets culture, just off the top of my head, are all pottery making hunter gatherers (and fishers) from our own proto-European ancestry.

These were Neolithic cultures. Pottery appeared in Japan long before that, during the Paleolithic, and was the earliest culture to develop it...https://infogalactic.com/info/J%C5%8Dmon_period

Blogger Chris Ritchie March 28, 2018 10:31 AM  

Thanks for the comments. Let me add that I do agree there are genetic differences built in. I'm not an egalitarian. Different people groups are fit for different tasks. I won't belabor what has already been pointed out about the strengths and weaknesses of blacks as a whole. I agree with those assessments. (There's my "Jimmy the Greek" moment - ironic he was so excoriated yet had a nickname that identified him ethnically)

Blogger Goldeneye March 28, 2018 10:32 AM  

Is nationalism antifragile?

Blogger Dave March 28, 2018 10:38 AM  

Give me indoor plumbing or give me death.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 28, 2018 11:00 AM  

Chris Ritchie wrote:What I don't get is how a group of Christians were to ever justify carving out a nation for themselves and their posterity.

When a nation becomes Christian, they are a Christian nation, for themselves and their posterity. When a nation of Christians brings salvation and civilization to a continent of savages, they necessarily carve out a land for themselves and their posterity.

Blogger Desdichado March 28, 2018 11:05 AM  

These were Neolithic cultures. Pottery appeared in Japan long before that, during the Paleolithic, and was the earliest culture to develop it...https://infogalactic.com/info/J%C5%8Dmon_period

Hunter gatherer and neolithic are not mutually exclusive. Those were all hunter gatherer (and river fisher) cultures; they did not have the Neolithic agricultural suite of farming and domesticated animals. Although their successor cultures did.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 11:10 AM  

Goldeneye wrote:Is nationalism antifragile?

Not assuredly, but it's vastly less fragile than Globalism.

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 28, 2018 11:28 AM  

"Go and make disciples of all nations....teaching them all I have commanded you....and I will be with you to the end of the age!"
That perfectly defines Christian nationalism.

Blogger Desdichado March 28, 2018 11:48 AM  

Also; the Jomon culture was not Japanese in any meaningful sense. They were probably the ancestors of the Ainu, not the Japanese. The Japanese arrived with the Yayoi culture.

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 11:49 AM  

@33 Crush Limbraw

Notice how everyone has forgotten the "teaching" part? Funny thing, that.

Blogger CM March 28, 2018 12:24 PM  

I have an odd and tangential question. Can you think of any reason why the politics surrounding the building of the Panama canal would convince someone to be anti-globalist?

Blogger Paddy J S March 28, 2018 12:36 PM  

Speaking of Ireland you probably would be interested in this vox
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/husband-of-zappone-adviser-guilty-of-sex-assault-36743338.html

Blogger Stilicho March 28, 2018 12:49 PM  

@33, that has been interpreted by Churchians as "Go and make American citizens of all nations... teaching them how to sign up for welfare..". The gospel according to judeo-christ...

Blogger Looking Glass March 28, 2018 12:52 PM  

@36 CM

The construction of the Canal or turning it back over to Panama?

Blogger Stilicho March 28, 2018 12:57 PM  

Curious how simply prioritizing your own nation's interest can have such a profound effect. Who'd a thunk it!

Blogger DonReynolds March 28, 2018 1:14 PM  

It is almost time for the cherry trees to blossom in Washington, a gift from Japan for the role of Theodore Roosevelt in ending the war between Japan and Russia (for which he received the Nobel Peace Prize, back when one was actually earned). These are exactly the same cherry trees that bloom in Japan every year and with them the hope of affection and friendship with the people of Japan.

Just as the cherry trees did not change when planted elsewhere, so too....the Japanese do not change when they live elsewhere. The same is true of the Irish. Where they go, they take a bit of Ireland with them. There is no magic dirt and crossing the Atlantic, so often hazardous in wooden ships, did not change anybody. An Irishman stepping onto the docks in New York, or Philly, or Boston, is identical to the blood relatives he left behind. So too, the Irishmen who land in Australia, or South Afrika, or Canada, they tend to flow freely for almost two centuries.

The differences between the Irish and the Japanese have little to nothing to do with their islands, or their neighbors. The most profound differences are between their respective societies and personalities and character. Ireland is a Roman Catholic country, no matter what else it is and the Irish are very democratic. The Irish government has always been weak, whether that government was British, Free State, or Republican, and the Irish are not in the least bit reluctant to leave Ireland to live elsewhere.

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, there was a flurry of excitement in this country about adopting Japanese-style management. That was supposed to be the Japanese secret...their management method. It was probably tried for 10-15 years and finally abandoned. Why did it not work? Simple...Americans are not Japanese and they do not behave, or react, or respond, to the same management forms as the Japanese workers and managers. (This is the major challenge for Japanese corporations that operate plants in the USA. How to manage a workforce of Negroes, Hispanics, Irish, Italians, Germans, and WASPS to manufacture Japanese products?)

Blogger Brett baker March 28, 2018 1:46 PM  

Thomas Sowell observed Jews, Germans, and Japanese tend to be successful wherever they colonize.

Blogger Brett baker March 28, 2018 1:46 PM  

Thomas Sowell observed Jews, Germans, and Japanese tend to be successful wherever they colonize.

Anonymous Anonymous March 28, 2018 2:59 PM  

My discovery of what driving while brown was happened late at night in Texas.

I was driving & stopped at a red light. The Hispanic I was dating wanted to know why I didn't drive thru because there was no one there. I explained I couldn't drive thru until it went green, he looked around & asked where I saw a cop. I told him it doesn't matter if a cop is there you shouldn't go thru a red light. I might as well have asked him to solve calculus in his head.

This is the sort of thing that wetbacks think they are smarter than gringos for doing, instead of realizing that the normative costs of not shoplifting, littering, using ambulances as free taxis or ignoring traffic laws is the true source of White Privilege.

Blogger Feather Blade March 28, 2018 3:15 PM  

Dave wrote:Give me indoor plumbing or give me death.

That does tend to be the usual result, yes.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 28, 2018 4:21 PM  

Brett baker wrote:Thomas Sowell observed Jews, Germans, and Japanese tend to be successful wherever they colonize.

Did he make a similar observation about Africans?

Blogger pate357 March 28, 2018 5:03 PM  

Yeah, but why Christian,tho?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yqrBO2YYxc

Blogger SirHamster March 28, 2018 6:09 PM  

tz wrote:We forget that even in the New Testament, Samaritans were the "half breeds" since some Jews took non-Jewish wives after the return, and Jesus was not exactly cordial to those he met.

What? Where are you getting this from?

Chris Ritchie wrote:What I don't get is how a group of Christians were to ever justify carving out a nation for themselves and their posterity.

Christian nations are not carved. They are transformed.

A Christian minority is to submit to the God given authority set over them.

If, several generations later, the authorities and the people are now Christian, why should anyone be surprised that the meek have inherited the earth?

At that point, a Christian authority has the same duties as a non-Christian authority - to use that power to seek justice and preserve order, which is every nation's interest.

Blogger CM March 28, 2018 6:48 PM  

The construction of the Canal or turning it back over to Panama?

The actual construction. I don't understand what did it, but the brief intro to it in Am History made me disgusted with globalism and had me identify as nationalist. I was young and when I look at it now, I can't really pin what it was that caused the reaction.

It was reinforced after learning how Japan was opened to international trade.
That's a bit easier to explain.

Blogger Dad29 March 28, 2018 8:01 PM  

Umnhhh.....you might have an argument about your conclusions from Patrick Deneen.

The description of Edo Japan strongly resembles the "conservative culture" in action as described by Deneen, contrasting with the Liberal society that is the US: 'live for today, ignore the past, and let the future take care of itself.'

I am not quite fair to Deneen's writings here; you can find the original in Chapter Six of "Conserving America?", a recently-published group of essays and lectures.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit March 28, 2018 10:01 PM  

I do think White nationalism is stupid, mainly because the minute you ask, "...and how do you define "white"? you end up in the weeds.

But Christian nationalism I can get behind, wholesale.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 29, 2018 9:29 AM  

@44

You came to fall stop, right?

Here in Houston, finally, in many places, blinking yellow left-turn lights have been implemented. Why sit in an intersection, going left, the turn left signal goes red, no cars approaching from the opposite direction for more than a block, why not make a left turn on red if it is safe? Well, I guess many like me figured to make the left turn anyway. Now, "the law" recognized that accumulating a line of cars in an intersection for no reason was bad.

Just like when right-on-red was finally codified.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 29, 2018 11:01 AM  

full not fall

Blogger Tuatha March 30, 2018 2:21 AM  

Anyone who believes anything theodore beale claims is true deserves to have their testicles crushed to a paste and their dick sawn in half while having their new high-pitched bitchbaby castrato screams recorded to eradicate the faith of every single xtian on the face of the earth.

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