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Monday, March 12, 2018

They think you will forget

A short-term perspective is why corporations believe they are free to take political action against the beliefs, interests, and values of their customers.
Within hours of announcing its decision to end a credit card relationship with the National Rifle Association, the First National Bank of Omaha found itself thrust into the center of the resurgent national gun debate.

Its Twitter and Facebook pages were flooded with comments. Some customers applauded the 160-year-old bank’s decision. Others said they would take their business elsewhere.

In the aftermath of the deadly school shooting in Florida last week, businesses were making the same financial and moral calculus, quickly discovering that there is no neutral ground. As pressure mounted across various social media platforms on Friday, a number of corporations, including several car-rental companies, MetLife insurance, Symantec security software and the car pricing and information site TrueCar, abruptly announced plans to cut ties with the organization.

The actions continued on Saturday. Delta and United Airlines both issued statements saying they were ending discount programs with the N.R.A. and would ask the association to remove their information from its website.

Over the last couple of years, social media has become the preferred vehicle for the rise of consumer activism, turning the everyday purchase of dresses or shoes or, now, renting a car or buying insurance, into a form of protest or demonstration of ideology.

Marketing experts say it’s difficult to determine whether calls for boycotts can truly have an impact on a company’s business. Rather, they say, once-angry customers either forget or move on to the next event or debate.

“Memories fade. The intensity of the feelings that people have on this subject right now will feel different one month or five months from now,” said Maurice Schweitzer, a professor of operations, information and decisions at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.
This is why it is a tremendous mistake to make unprincipled exceptions because you really like Disney movies or find a cheaper flight on Delta or have a hankering for Kentucky Fried Chicken. That is precisely the mindset that converged corporations are counting on you to have in order to permit them to continue converging the wider society and culture.

Those of you who went and saw Black Panther or The Last Jedi in the theater helped make it successful, even if you made snarky critical remarks about it later. By doing so, you increased the ability of Disney and Marvel to continue making more movies like that. By supporting the convergence, you ensure that there will be more of it.

Actions have consequences. Don't support those who are trying to destroy your culture, your faith, and your nation.

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131 Comments:

Blogger Lucas March 12, 2018 9:44 AM  

Right on.

The fact that much of the anti-gun histeria is run by women is another asset for the converged.

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2018 9:54 AM  

> ...or have a hankering for Kentucky Fried Chicken.

KFC took part in the hysteria? I hadn't seen that. Not that it matters, their treatment of Harland Sanders' memory since his death is reason enough to minimize eating there.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 12, 2018 9:54 AM  

I have over 400k lifetime miles with United, and I have flown them exclusively for business for thirteen years. I'm switching to Southwest. Bye.

Blogger Desdichado March 12, 2018 9:58 AM  

Ask Kellogs and Target if we forgot. The idea that it's "unclear" if calls for boycotts have consequences is bizarre. They must be making the assumption that emotional, virtue-signaling calls for boycotts from Leftists who didn't shop at your store anyway are equivalent to calls for boycotts from frustrated and out of patience regular Americans.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 12, 2018 10:02 AM  

What did KFC do?

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 10:03 AM  

Avengers movies support disney.

Ask me if I am gonna watch Avengers movies in a theater.

Blogger Aeoli March 12, 2018 10:04 AM  

Giving up the convenient ubiquity of Starbucks was a big hit for me, but conspicuously hiring immigrants over Americans is a hard no.

Blogger Crew March 12, 2018 10:04 AM  

I think I will go see Death Wish. I hear the critics hate it.

OpenID nhinsnow March 12, 2018 10:05 AM  

Not one more inch. Any company or politician that is against the 2nd will no longer receive our support.

OpenID nhinsnow March 12, 2018 10:07 AM  

Nate,

I've been meaning to ask you: Do you double carry?

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 12, 2018 10:09 AM  

First National of Omaha's decision was profoundly stupid.

This is in deep Red Nebraska.


First National of Omaha always had a reputation for being too big to care about it's customers but now Nebraskans think it actually holds them in contempt.

I see the president and chairman has decided to retire as of the end of this month.

Blogger Kudos The Lexecutioner March 12, 2018 10:15 AM  

@7 Aeoli

"Giving up the convenient ubiquity of Starbucks was a big hit for me"

Giving up the burnt ass taste of Starbuck's coffee shouldn't be that big a hit.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 10:17 AM  

'I've been meaning to ask you: Do you double carry?'

I used to do so religiously... I carried a Steyr m40 and a snubby 357... then for a long time I carried 2 Steyr M40s... because drawing another pistol is faster than reloading.

Lately though... hell man I'm getting old. Lately I look at the CCW as something to get me back to the truck... where there is a small rifle and a several mags... and that is there to get home... where the real tools are.

Blogger pyrrhus March 12, 2018 10:18 AM  

Here's hoping that they'll never discover Jack Vance.

Or Roger Zelazny....

Blogger bw March 12, 2018 10:18 AM  

Enable

@11 ^

Lots of Omaha big money and Newspaper involved in the PEDO of Franklin scandal, as you probably know..

Blogger TM Lutas March 12, 2018 10:18 AM  

There is an entire business sector devoted to remind you to do things. Day planners, electronic organizers, wake up call systems, personal assistants, none of that seems to be well integrated with the call to boycott. You could even use local DNS and rig a system to put in an interstitial page reminding you of your airline boycotts before you hit a travel website.

But we don't do it. Is that because we don't *want* to make these things permanent but also don't want to admit it?

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2018 10:19 AM  

> Ask Kellogs and Target if we forgot.

Bingo. Losing Pringles was somewhat painful, but Kellogs has made it clear what they think of me, so...

Part of the problem with boycotts is their effect is almost impossible to measure over time. A company's management may find it easy to think that normal growth that makes up for the lost revenue actually means the customers are coming back, especially if that's what they want to think.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 12, 2018 10:21 AM  

Ask Kellogs and Target if we forgot.

Target sales in 2017 were up 3.4% vs 2016, so someone forgot.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 10:21 AM  

"> Ask Kellogs and Target if we forgot. "

or the Dixie Chicks.

Blogger Ben Stafford March 12, 2018 10:22 AM  

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Blogger Ben March 12, 2018 10:24 AM  

Vox, long time reader. I know there are lists out there for converged, Anti-American companies. Is there still a list that you feel is up to date? I'm sure, linking to such a list when you post on these matters would be convenient for some of us.

Also, I know you always are very humble about your inability and lack of authority to judge other's Christianity, but your perspective on this matter is always appreciated. Especially, for those of us who the true faith has been hidden from. Any chance, that you have any plans to develop your ideas further on these matters, either via voxiversity or an upcoming book? Or by any chance, are you aware of any non-cucked denominations. Last question, what's your preferred Bible translation? It seems when analyzed, even the Bible itself has suffered from revisionist history to some extent.

Blogger Paradox March 12, 2018 10:25 AM  

Every single company is converged. And a lot of times, It’s not so much principle as no available alternatives to make a boycott possible.

Example, every airline was pro-gay marriage. Those who are against gay marriage and need to fly have no options to boycott. The same goes for the anti-gun corporations, no alternatives.

We need a new strategy. These companies think in 5 months we will forget. Well, let’s pick one company and drive their customer service crazy for 10 months.

One specific company to start with has taken their position to the extreme anti-gun Left. They’re lobbying for an AR-15 and magazine ban. This company is a threat to our rights and need to be put out of business. No gun shop or pro-gun individual should use FedEx for shipping.

https://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/fedex-responds-questions-national-rifle-association-gun-safety-policy/

Blogger Aeoli March 12, 2018 10:26 AM  

Giving up the burnt ass taste of Starbuck's coffee shouldn't be that big a hit.

I have some good qualities, but taste isn't one of them.

Blogger tz March 12, 2018 10:30 AM  

With that creepy maybe tranny Colonel Sanders, I really don't have an appetite for KFC.

I can remember the pro-life movement when Microsoft was supporting Planned Parenthood - but I couldn't get anyone to even think about switching. They came after marriage. Now Transgender (do you shop at Target), now Guns.

Or the simple thing - most pages you visit give a set of eyeballs to count toward Google AdSense or one of there other Ad properties. Worse if you actually click. Use the Brave browser, or at least an ad/tracking blocker? No, too hard. So Google gets a few pennies as you surf across the web. Boycott Google Ads - their only profit center? Won't happen. Move off YouTube or insure it isn't monetized by Google? Too hard. Switch from GMail? That would take a few hours. Advertisers are paying good money to Google to access everyone's eyes and ears and clicks and history! So Google will continue converging, and making money off those they are attacking.

Three years ago they came for AntiWar.com and at that time I predicted it would only get worse. Now everyone is suddenly suprised at demonitization and censorship.

Blogger Richard Holmes March 12, 2018 10:30 AM  

Avengers movies support disney.

Ask me if I am gonna watch Avengers movies in a theater.


I don't usually watch comic book movies, never got into comic books.

But I'll bite... Nate, are you going to watch Avengers movie in theaters?

Blogger CarpeOro March 12, 2018 10:33 AM  

Gee, thanks Nate. I'd almost completely forgot about the Dixie Chicks. Now I'll remember them until tomorrow.

3.4% increase YOY for Target? That can be accounted for with immigrants. If it had been an increase that brought them significantly closer to pre-boycott numbers I'd think that people had forgot. That kind of growth would have gotten serious scrutiny back when profits were Target's goal.

Blogger tz March 12, 2018 10:36 AM  

@22 - Fedex is the wrong target. Perhaps Delta.

FedEx can disagree with the NRA's policies but still offer discounts. I'm not expecting the corporations to promote, much less agree with gun policies, but neither go on the other side. They should be about pleasing their customers and shareholders.

While I can see anti-gun WrongThink as a target, they have NOT acted on it when many others have. Pick the worst offender, not the most marginal.

Blogger Kudos The Lexecutioner March 12, 2018 10:39 AM  

@21 Ben

"any non-cucked denominations?"

The only major denomination I am currently aware of in my vicinity that remotely approaches being non-cucked is the Orthodox Church in America (related to the Russian and Greek Orthodox Churches). No female clergy, beautiful a capella music (no "super-fun rock band church" or awful folkies strumming guitars), and serious piety.

Blogger Kudos The Lexecutioner March 12, 2018 10:47 AM  

@27 tz

"Fedex is the wrong target. Perhaps Delta."

Delta's virtue-signalling on the NRA issue not only cost them customers, it caused the Georgia legislature to slam the brakes on a jet fuel tax exemption bill (expected to pass overwhelmingly) that would have saved Delta upwards of $50 million A YEAR. I would think the shareholders would have something to say about that bit of short-sightedness. I don't care how big a company you are, that is one serious bite out of your ass.

Blogger Avalanche March 12, 2018 10:48 AM  

@11 "I see the president and chairman has decided to retire as of the end of this month."

This? Or pedo and / or the seizure of assets EO?

Blogger Lovekraft March 12, 2018 10:48 AM  

@29: and apparently only around 11 NRA members actually received Delta's discount. Lost $50 million, while gaining what exactly?

OpenID Mike Jackson March 12, 2018 10:54 AM  

As for Disney, the ticket sales are one thing, but toys are the real cash cow. They're hurting badly in that department.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHvXZLREt9E

Blogger Paradox March 12, 2018 10:54 AM  

@tz
FedEx is the correct target. They are ACTIVELY lobbying for the destruction of the 2nd Amendment. FedEx IS a threat with money it can use to lobby for an assault weapons ban. Delta isn’t making a statement to ban rifles and magazines.

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2018 10:56 AM  

> Target sales in 2017 were up 3.4% vs 2016, so someone forgot.

Not necessarily. Sales normally go up, simply due to inflation.

Blogger Paradox March 12, 2018 10:56 AM  

@tx
FedEx is the correct target. They are ACTIVELY lobbying for the destruction of the 2nd Amendment. FedEx IS a threat with money it can use to lobby for an assault weapons ban. Delta isn’t making a statement to ban rifles and magazines.

OpenID Mike Jackson March 12, 2018 11:00 AM  

Or the simple thing - most pages you visit give a set of eyeballs to count toward Google AdSense or one of there other Ad properties. Worse if you actually click. Use the Brave browser, or at least an ad/tracking blocker?

What's better is AdNauseum, which is an adblocker that also clicks on every ad in the background, wasting advertisers' money as well as disrupting any profile that can be built of your tastes.

Blogger mushroom March 12, 2018 11:03 AM  

Nate wrote:"> Ask Kellogs and Target if we forgot. "

or the Dixie Chicks.


Ask Hanoi Jane.

Blogger Dire Badger March 12, 2018 11:07 AM  

"Marketing experts say it’s difficult to determine whether calls for boycotts can truly have an impact on a company’s business. Rather, they say, once-angry customers either forget or move on to the next event or debate.

“Memories fade. The intensity of the feelings that people have on this subject right now will feel different one month or five months from now,” said Maurice Schweitzer, a professor of operations, information and decisions at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania."

Tell that to the fecking NFL.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 11:08 AM  

"But I'll bite... Nate, are you going to watch Avengers movie in theaters?"

yes.

Because I don't care if you think its wrong fun.

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 12, 2018 11:09 AM  

Ben, I have quit looking - you might as well start your own mentoring group. Yes - mentoring! I started something almost 3 years ago and am re-posting some lessons - just sent this out yesterday - http://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2018/03/mentoring-moment-march-11-2018.html - you can email me if you have any further questions - it's a long story.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 11:20 AM  

'Ben, I have quit looking - you might as well start your own mentoring group. Yes - mentoring!'

I can't get passed the word mentoring. Mentoring for me is a big red flag code word for "grooming young men for gay sex."

Blogger Johnny March 12, 2018 11:24 AM  

If you don't want to give money to Disney, just see the movie later, back when the big flus of money is gone.

And the NFL doesn't get a whole lot when you watch tv, except for the commercials, and you don't have to buy the stuff. Plus quit treating football games as something everybody is supposed to know about. You know, kill the everyday talk with people, the idea that everybody is sort of into football.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira March 12, 2018 11:25 AM  

That's why I stopped buying MARVEL and decided to fund AltHero when that came around.

Blogger DonReynolds March 12, 2018 11:25 AM  

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/americas-favorite-value-retailers-184705824.html

Just a few days ago, we get another puff piece from the Leftist SJWs at Yahoo Finance regarding your local Target stores. Yahoo claims they tied with TJ Max as Americas favorite value retailer. (Wal-Mart did not even make the top ten.) Target has been completely converged and Wal-Mart still has a long way to go in the eyes of SJWs at Yahoo to deserve everyone's retail dollars.

So I decided to check and see how the Retail Revolution is going at my local Target store. Sunday should have been fairly brisk, but all I found were the same dozen or so cars in the parking lot. Target is still hoping they can squeeze enough money from their dedicated Leftist Liberal trendies. A mile away is one of the four Wal-Mart SuperCenters in this town and their parking lot was nearly full. Apparently, Amazon giving Medicaid recipients a discount on Prime has not changed anybody's hearts or minds. They still shop at Wal-Mart.

Yes, the SJWs LIE.
As Lincoln said about the news media (newspapers), when asked if they were "reliable"....Yes, they LIE, then they RE-LIE, that makes them RE-Lie-able.

The Deplorables do not seem to get their shopping advice from Yahoo Finance.

Blogger Johnny March 12, 2018 11:27 AM  

I suspect that the big deal with these corporate executives is that they are not really aware of general political trends, thus they don't anticipate widespread disapproval for their moves.

Blogger DonReynolds March 12, 2018 11:38 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> Target sales in 2017 were up 3.4% vs 2016, so someone forgot.

Not necessarily. Sales normally go up, simply due to inflation.


People who keep up with these things notice that the slight increase in sales at Target were very expensive. Yes, they sold more but they made less money and their margins are getting thinner. (The same thing happened when JC Penney converged.) The SJWs fret that Target is being avoided or neutral at best in the stock market, but but but.....they have tranny restrooms and co-ed clothing for kids and let pervy men violate the privacy of the girls and women. WE must support Target....so they LIE.

Blogger Stilicho March 12, 2018 11:40 AM  

@41 well, you are Greek, after all.

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 12, 2018 11:48 AM  

C'mon Nate - check it out first before making presumptuous comments. I'm not up on the latest homo co-opted words.

Blogger Timmy3 March 12, 2018 11:55 AM  

Star Wars toy sales has tanked. Every mega fan has noticed. At this point, Star Wars is Living off the success of its first and second movie. That’s about it. Corporate pressure will be there. Corporations are people. Sometimes boycotts work, sometimes not. The best thing to do is join the NRA. Direct support is best. Support the Congressmen who support the 2nd Amendment.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2018 12:48 PM  

You will want to communicate with these companies. The men are one thing. The women who work in giant corporations are not like your wife, in any way. They are dedicated to their company in the same way that a nun is dedicated to her convent. Their wiring, and inputs are different than normal women.

They literally cannot understand why you would want a gun. They don't have that information. You will need to educate from statistics, which they do not know, up onward to emotional choices.

They are wealthy, insulated, and elitest. How do you communicate with that?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 12, 2018 12:50 PM  

"Those of you who went and saw Black Panther or The Last Jedi in the theater helped make it successful"

CS Lewis told everyone this how many decades ago now? Presstitutes. If you're buying what they're selling, you're half of the problem.

Blogger Mindcrime2015 March 12, 2018 12:52 PM  

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Blogger Mindcrime2015 March 12, 2018 12:53 PM  

Ack, -to support-

Blogger Glenn Donovan March 12, 2018 12:56 PM  

Problem is that the NRA is not acting in our national interest, Vox. I carry a Glock 19 and strongly support my gun rights. But I'm not an anarchist, and believe that we need laws and law enforcement. So, we have gun laws cuz I don't want the idiot next door to buy a machine gun.

It's funny, they supported background checks - why not support fixing them? Also, the lies they and many on the right tell over and over again about guns and the AR-15 have really pushed me off. The whole "the AR-15 is just a .22 caliber rifle" line is an absurdly deceptive statement to make. Why? Okay, go get a .22 LR (the little pinking rifle round) and then get a .223 or 5.56 round and put them next to each other. Are the the same? Which one would you rather get shot by?

The AR-15 is a scaled down AR-10 and was built for combat. It's a very high powered, lethal weapon system that is incredibly dangerous in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are doing. I find it astonishing that conservatives don't want more control over who gets such a weapon. I see guys at the range who terrify me.

A pistol is different. Anyone can easily learn to shoot a pistol safely. An AR-15? You could accidentally kill a person 400 yards away and not even know it. The speed of the a bullet from my Glock 19 is about 1180 feet per second. An AR-15 .223 or 5.56 can be as high as 3800 fps. Try to imagine how much more lethal that is, with a longer barrel with greater accuracy and a high cyclic rate.

Sure, I could kill an animal with an AR-15, and it is used for hunting for hogs and such. But it's primarily a combat weapon. Not an "assault rifle", there is no such thing as an assault rifle. But I'd have no problem with an AR-15 owner having to pass a certification and extensive background check for mental health issues.

The Right hurts itself a lot by being so stupid and bullheaded about some issues. When it lies like this about the AR-15 and refuses to acknowledge the basics about it, it loses lots of credibility.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 12, 2018 1:02 PM  

"An AR-15? You could accidentally kill a person 400 yards away and not even know it."

You poor joker.

Hello fellow X protocol detected.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 12, 2018 1:05 PM  

"Mentoring for me is a big red flag code word for "grooming young men for gay sex.""

I'm glad I didn't grow up where you did. No, I don't want to know. Thanks for the heads up though.

Blogger VD March 12, 2018 1:05 PM  

Problem is that the NRA is not acting in our national interest, Vox. I carry a Glock 19 and strongly support my gun rights. But I'm not an anarchist, and believe that we need laws and law enforcement. So, we have gun laws cuz I don't want the idiot next door to buy a machine gun.

You're completely wrong. It's not that you're not an anarchist, Glenn Donovan. It's that you're not an American. There is no us.

You don't want the idiot next door to own a machine gun. I don't want idiots like you permitted to reside in my country, let alone speak or vote.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 12, 2018 1:09 PM  

The traditional Catholic orders like the SSPX could be added to that list, if anyone is interested in Catholicism.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 12, 2018 1:14 PM  

I'm quite interested in catholicism. The practice, that is. The brand-name has a/an coincidental/interesting way of ensuring that I stay trigger shy. Porcupine quills have a way of doing that.

Also, antipopes.

Blogger dienw March 12, 2018 1:15 PM  

@42
Plus quit treating football games as something everybody is supposed to know about. You know, kill the everyday talk with people, the idea that everybody is sort of into football.

I would love for that to happen; but, I am in North Carolina where if the first topic isn't football, it is basketball, or golf; and briefly Sunday morning, there was a mention of curling.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 12, 2018 1:18 PM  

"I would love for that to happen; but, I am in North Carolina where if the first topic isn't football, it is..."

I've finally more or less realized that the choice is between spending some time to become acquainted with the local interests, or move to a place where I have to learn snoblish for the "Hello fellow snobs" street-cred. The former seems more constructive.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 1:25 PM  

"Problem is that the NRA is not acting in our national interest, Vox. I carry a Glock 19 and strongly support my gun rights. But I'm not an anarchist, and believe that we need laws and law enforcement. So, we have gun laws cuz I don't want the idiot next door to buy a machine gun."

1) machine guns have been banned since 1934

2) you're amazingly ignorant.

"An AR-15? You could accidentally kill a person 400 yards away and not even know it."

3) see number 2.

"The Right hurts itself a lot by being so stupid and bullheaded about some issues. When it lies like this about the AR-15 and refuses to acknowledge the basics about it, it loses lots of credibility."

Stop pretending to be right and go hang out with your commie lefty friends Commie.

You're not Right. You're not us.

Take your bullshit concern trolling ass out of here.


Blogger freddie_mac March 12, 2018 1:32 PM  

Marketing experts say it’s difficult to determine whether calls for boycotts can truly have an impact on a company’s business. Rather, they say, once-angry customers either forget or move on to the next event or debate.

Hmm, well I certainly remember why I no longer shop at Target (and just moved prescriptions from Walgreens), but I admit that I don't remember why I stopped buying Ben & Jerry's/Haagen-Dasz. Most recently, I'm working on eliminating all Unilever and Proctor & Gamble products.

Remembering the exact reason why I stopped buying something isn't necessary so long as those products are in my "do not buy" category.

For Delta and United, I am a bit stuck, as they're the only airlines that serve the local airport. I only fly 1-2x per year on business; otherwise, I'd look into driving to the nearest large regional airport to use a different carrier.

Blogger tuberman March 12, 2018 1:36 PM  

Some of us stick with our boycotts permanently. No Disney products in over 20 years (noticed them showing parents as fools), no cable TV for over 10 years, and many more added since. Anti-USA actions and ads will cost more business, and buyers will get increasingly serious about anti-patriot ads. I've avoided Starbucks completely, yet was a heavy caffeine drinker. Noticed how anti-White NFL, and NBA (for that matter) was getting in the early 2000's and stopped watching, although I used to be a big fan of both, and a huge fan of basketball. I did not evangelize my boycotts as I prefer to evangelize the positive such as the Culture Wars.

If people notice my attitude, they sometimes ask, "Are you angry?" "Nope," I answer, "What I feel is contempt."

Blogger Patrikbc March 12, 2018 1:39 PM  

I’ll stop watching Disney/marvel movies when Kirk Cameron learns how to make a movie that isnt gay. I’ll not be giving up Starbucks anytime soon, and target is closer.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 1:42 PM  

"I’ll stop watching Disney/marvel movies when Kirk Cameron learns how to make a movie that isnt gay. I’ll not be giving up Starbucks anytime soon, and target is closer."

Disney starbucks and target?

Obviously the gay aversion therapy isn't working... Next you're gonna tell me you crank "Let It Go" in your Maserati

Blogger VD March 12, 2018 2:03 PM  

I’ll stop watching Disney/marvel movies when Kirk Cameron learns how to make a movie that isnt gay. I’ll not be giving up Starbucks anytime soon, and target is closer.

As you see fit. Just don't whine about the triumph of the Left and how much you hate SJW convergence.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to financially support it.

Blogger FUBARwest March 12, 2018 2:23 PM  

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Blogger VD March 12, 2018 2:24 PM  

Glenn Donovan, I don't want you residing or voting in my country. I certainly don't want you commenting on my blog.

Deleted, spammed, and banned.

Blogger Almodavar March 12, 2018 2:24 PM  

" I carry a Glock 19 and strongly support my gun rights."

" An AR-15? You could accidentally kill a person 400 yards away and not even know it."

Poseur.

Blogger Dorsal Spine March 12, 2018 2:25 PM  

@68. Most rifles can kill you at 400 yards so the AR-15 is hardly a highly lethal weapon system in that regard. The ballistics of the .223 hardly compare to that of the 30-06 which was widely used in WWII. When it comes to lethality it's a step back not a step forward. It doesn't begin to compare to most hunting calibers and isn't considered big enough to hunt large game like deer in many states.

What else did you want to know that you have wrong or is this enough?

Blogger daeth March 12, 2018 2:26 PM  

Glenn is the classic "I'm a gun owner, but..." stereotype. Also letting his Gamma flag fly.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 12, 2018 2:28 PM  

"They think you will forget"

If I had a First National Bank of Omaha credit card, I'd probably forget to pay my credit card bills.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 2:28 PM  

"Some guy above in the comments cited me saying you could shoot and kill someone 400 yds away, but didn't debunk the statement, as though it's obviously false. "

that's because it is obviously false. the bullet drops over 3 feet at 400 yards. And wind plays hell with it because its so light. In addition the hold over would be like 8 inches... meaning depending on the optic you couldn't even see the person in your sights.

So in reality... you probably couldn't kill someone at 400 yards on purpose with an AR-15... much less on accident.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 2:29 PM  

" It doesn't begin to compare to most hunting calibers and isn't considered big enough to hunt large game like deer in many states."

Hunters generally won't take anything bigger than Coyote at more than 200 yards away with a .223.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 2:34 PM  

I wonder how many of us stopped reading at "I carry a Glock 19"...

Blogger Jay Karknee March 12, 2018 2:37 PM  

Very well said. We have to be strong and stick together. Even if it means occasionally paying a little more or making a less than ideal substitution we can't give these traitors our money. I will take the bus, or uber, or rely on a friend before I rent a car from Enterprise again. Same with all the rest. I was already forced to finance my own destruction in family court, I'm not going along this time. Enough is enough.

Blogger daeth March 12, 2018 2:39 PM  

Uber hates us too.

Blogger Jay Karknee March 12, 2018 2:41 PM  

Ok, my bad. In that case uber is off limits too. Need to keep updating the list...

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 12, 2018 2:43 PM  

I've hunted with .222 a good bit and it works fine. It's all about shot placement. My granddad used to hunt deer with .22LR and would drop them right where they stood.

Blogger Dorsal Spine March 12, 2018 2:52 PM  

The USMC certainly expects to kill you at 400 yards with the 5.56. There are certainly better tools for the job. I can't do it but I'm not willing to stand on a known distance range either when a bunch of Marines are shooting qualifications. It's all about the skill of the shooter.

Blogger FP March 12, 2018 2:59 PM  

"I wonder how many of us stopped reading at "I carry a Glock 19"..."

I got a laugh out of it. The cliche gateway gun that the everyman knows for pistols in the modern era whether they really carry one or not. Name recognition seems to be the main reason they still sell. I got advice from people early on who were usually more into rifles that said, "just get a glock and be done with it". Yeah, no. It didn't work out that way for me.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 3:04 PM  

"I can't do it but I'm not willing to stand on a known distance range either when a bunch of Marines are shooting qualifications. It's all about the skill of the shooter. "

then you haven't seen those marines shoot. They suck.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 12, 2018 3:05 PM  

Guys with large hands have trouble with Glocks. And there's not much you can do about that except get a different gun.

Blogger FP March 12, 2018 3:07 PM  

Forgot to add, a 20 year old in the Portland area just filed a lawsuit over age discrimination against Fred Meyer (owned by Kroger) and Bi-Mart for refusing to sell him ammo. So two lawsuits filed in just a few days.

Blogger Dorsal Spine March 12, 2018 3:12 PM  

Nate, The Marine Gunnery Sargent that taught me to shoot the AR might disagree with you but I will admit that in any large group of shooters some of them always suck.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 12, 2018 3:26 PM  

Until recently the accuracy spec on the USMC M16s was 4.5 MOA. Even if the shooter does his job perfectly, that's still a lousy group.

Blogger AnvilTiger March 12, 2018 3:29 PM  

Most corporations don't care because they realize MPAI. Same reason so many commercials now have certain targeted demographics - because those demographics actually watch the ads and buy the junk. Other demographics don't watch TV (nearly as much), ignore the ads, and don't buy the junk.

Blogger Dorsal Spine March 12, 2018 3:44 PM  

Yes, that is a lousy group. I believe I pointed out that there are better tools for the job than the 5.56.

On the other hand, the Marine Combat Marksmanship Course spends a lot of time teaching you to zero the rifle at 300 yards. You don't teach stuff like that if your equipment isn't capable.

Any given rifle and any given shooter might not be capable but the platform is certainly capable. Look up Camp Perry and go from there.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 3:47 PM  

"You don't teach stuff like that if your equipment isn't capable. "

it isn't capable. Anyone that tells you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass. Military infantry rifles are shit. the ammo is even worse.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 12, 2018 3:50 PM  

At 300 yards a 4.5 MOA rifle is capable of producing a group that is smaller than the human torso. But your likelihood of missing a headshot at that range is significant.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 3:54 PM  

"At 300 yards a 4.5 MOA rifle is capable of producing a group that is smaller than the human torso. But your likelihood of missing a headshot at that range is significant."

talk to the lifers... they are so put off by the inaccuracy of their weapons they think AR-15s are also just as bad. I once had a dude bet me that I couldn't shoot a 1moa group with any AR. All he had ever shot were crap army rifles with crap army ammo. The poor bastard had no idea.

Blogger Volpack March 12, 2018 4:00 PM  

Glad I am not the only one here wishing I had that guy's AR-15 that shot sub-MOA at 400 yards. I pretty much dance when I get three shots within 4" at 200 yards.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 12, 2018 4:01 PM  

Yeah it's not at all uncommon for a high end civilian AR to be more accurate than a factory Remington bolt gun. Which isn't saying much, but still.

Blogger Dorsal Spine March 12, 2018 4:03 PM  

Noah, You brought up headshots, I didn't. Again as I said bring the right tool for the job.

Nate, Did you have a particular military rifle in mind with that statement? I work with a guy who hits the gong at 400 yards with a M1 using surplus mil spec ammo. Not all infantry rifles are shit. If you want to compare the merits of different weapons systems I'm game. If you just want to talk shit I'm not interested.

Blogger Volpack March 12, 2018 4:03 PM  

This talk about boycotting retail stores is funny. Who talks to their wife about where she shops? Gah.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2018 4:08 PM  

The reason the AR patterm rifle was adopted militarily was that it's light, easy to handle, simple to repair, and it's considerably easier to carry more rounds of the the small, underpowered rounds. Since, in military use only one round in several thousand actually hits an enemy combatant (in WWII it was 10,000:1), those qualities more than make up for it's deficiencies.
Simply put, the typical grunt in Vietnam was far more likely to have an M16 at the ready when it was needed than he would be an M1. .223 at the ready is far better than 30-06 slung across the back.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 12, 2018 4:27 PM  

To me, 4.5 MOA is unacceptable for a rifle. So my point is that a rifle like that is never the right tool for the job.

It might work in ideal circumstances, but when an enemy does something unpredictably crafty like taking cover you're at a significant disadvantage.

Blogger Dorsal Spine March 12, 2018 4:52 PM  

We have changed topics at this point. It depends on the job. A 4.5 MOA for jungle and/or urban warfare is perfectly acceptable. However, it sucks for wide open spaces whether the Army will admit it or not. The Army keeps tweaking the 5.56 bullet to ring out better performance at longer ranges. At some point they will need to give up and switch calibers.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2018 5:20 PM  

Very few long-range firefights are actually engaged for the purpose of killing the enemy. Almost all rounds fired at long range are suppressive fire.

Blogger Wormwood March 12, 2018 5:56 PM  

I have one philosophy now governing my consumption of media products.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNDzbFv2f8

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2018 6:07 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Almost all rounds fired at long range are suppressive fire.
Of course, as I think on it, that may be because of the inaccuracy of the tools provided.

Blogger Dire Badger March 12, 2018 6:42 PM  

A man who does not understand why Americans would want to carry a gun expressly designed for killing people, and why we would NOT want those guns registered, controlled, or even known about by every politician, lawyer, and dipshit with a badge and an attitude, is not a 'citizen', he is a 'subject'.

In America we are citizens. We do not have lords or kings. and we have been failing in our duty to shoot them when they show up.

I don't want non-citizens here. They are worse than aliens.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 12, 2018 7:43 PM  

Nate wrote:I wonder how many of us stopped reading at "I carry a Glock 19"...

I clicked on his name at that point.

The account dates from 2005, so that's legit. But his info says he's a technology sales exec who lives in NYC. So, the odds that he is lying about the Glock are pretty close to 100%.

The one blog that he follows that can be publicly accessed is in a word precious.

Azure called it. Activist playing, "hello, fellow gun people."

Blogger Not a lefty March 12, 2018 8:24 PM  

I wouldn't watch that trash on antenna TV. I somehow made it through one of them (on antenna tv). Never again.

Blogger justaguy March 12, 2018 9:00 PM  

IMHO the problem with converged companies is that they no longer are able to change and adjust with the myriad of changes in the marketplace because they have ideological filters to look at the data. Big companies have the same problem as does any bureaucracy. Over time they do not shift or make poor shifts.

I don't think boycotts work well from the right-- we are too busy to get hysterical over slights-- but we just let the companies die-- a process that often takes decades.

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2018 9:36 PM  

> Who talks to their wife about where she shops?

That would be me. But then we talk over pretty much everything.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit March 12, 2018 9:57 PM  

@107. Yep. I rely on my husband to keep me up to date on this stuff.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 12, 2018 10:16 PM  

Nate wrote:I wonder how many of us stopped reading at "I carry a Glock 19"...

I suppose that was the real tell.

An authentic Glock owner would have interrupted himself at that point and inserted a paragraph detailing all of the ways that the Glock is PERFECT.

Blogger Bobiojimbo March 12, 2018 10:18 PM  

"Those of you who went and saw Black Panther or The Last Jedi in the theater helped make it successful, even if you made snarky critical remarks about it later. By doing so, you increased the ability of Disney and Marvel to continue making more movies like that. By supporting the convergence, you ensure that there will be more of it."

You're right. They us to hate it too. Because if we hate it, we're still likely to go see it to confirm our biases. Just like I'm guilty of doing with the Last Jedi.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 12, 2018 10:25 PM  

All of the bad guys in the new Death Wish movie are white guys in the inner city tormenting poor colored folk.
Dumb normie cons think it's great.

Blogger Dire Badger March 12, 2018 10:42 PM  

Does it count if you watched it on popcorn time?

Blogger Mjoll March 12, 2018 10:53 PM  

It was not Portland, it was Grants Pass and it was not Bi-mart, it was Dick's.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 12, 2018 10:57 PM  

First time I've been proud of my GA legislators & Gov Nathan Perdue in, well, almost forever.

I sent them all numerous tweets telling them to stay away from Gov. Rick Scott and his goofy gun law ideas.
GA background checks to carry from Jan to Feb jumped way up, I'll bet they go even higher when we hit the one month mark after the Fla shooting.
Sales of all firearms are way up, and most places have about a 5-7 day wait on AR-15 stock.
They must be selling out the day they get them back into the stores.
Also, also, I don't have it saved, but some math nerd actually spent the time trying to figure out if the figure of "300,000,000 guns in America" that they've been rolling with is accurate. Considering they have been using that number for yrs & yrs, I'd say it's probably not likely. They've been saying there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the US for about 12-15 yrs now, lol.
Of course, there's no way to be sure, but this guy went back to the 1800s looking at records, tried to calculate in things like ghost guns, guns smuggled in illegally, guns turned in voluntarily, etc., and his most conservative number was 460,000,000, but he actually seemed to be leaning more to the belief the number was more likely around 600,000,000.
It would be interesting if more ppl tried to come up with what they thought was a more accurate number.
Just something to think about, but 120,000,000 firearms were sold during the 8 yrs of Obama's presidency.
Greatest.GunSalesman.Ever.

To arrive at the 300 million figure, you have to believe that there were only 180 million guns in the country before Obama.

I was born in Atlanta, raised in the boonies of Alabama & now live in an Atlanta suburb. There is NO WAY you'll ever convince me there were only 180 million firearms in civillian hands in 2007.
I personally know *at least* 100 ppl with over 1,000 firearms. 😂
These ppl are crazy. Somebody's buying all these firearms, and they sure are just falling apart and getting thrown away or replaced with a newer model, like an Iphone, every year or every other year.
Not to mention, the number of prepers and enthusiasts making ghost guns? That number is just blowing up. There are how to videos everywhere that even kids could do, and probably will, if they aren't already.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2018 10:59 PM  

Dorsal Spine

I think we are talking Bout two different things. You're talking about what a rifle can theoretically do. I am talking about what the rifles in the grunts hands actually do. Crap ammo. Built by the lowest bidder. Shot out barrels. Poorly maintained if at all.

That is the reality. The m1 and the m14 were both awesome. But you can find old shot out examples that were in some poor bastards hands.

The m16 is no different. When it is all right its great rifle. Unfortunately in today's army nothing is right.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 12, 2018 11:15 PM  

You.Are.An.Idiot.

The NRA is the nation's oldest and best civil right's organization, and the ONLY one that fights for the rights of white people.
You don't deserve to have a firearm.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 12, 2018 11:27 PM  

YOU.ARE.AN.IDIOT.

The NRA is this nation's oldest civil right's organization & the ONLY one that fights for the rights of white people. You do not deserve to own firearms.

I have not watched a Hollywood production, tv or movie, or any MSM news in 15 yrs. I do not watch any television except for political debates/SOTU/speeches, random Tucker Carlson clips on YouTube. I was only briefly on the Zuckbook.
I haven't bought a Disney product since 1993,the smell of Starbucks makes me nauseous, I don't shop but once or twice a year, and I haven't been in a Target since 2001.
It's not that difficult, people. Once you adjust your life, you find it's quite simple.
Simple lives are free for the taking.

Blogger Dire Badger March 13, 2018 12:55 AM  

To be fair, I own a Glock also, a 17. It is... nothing special, but it's generally trouble-free, doesn't jam or misfire frequently, fires a decent and inexpensive round, and set me back less than 400 bucks for a 'ready to fire' piece. It's accurate enough, and cleaning it is not as much a chore as it is for a Beretta.

Frankly, it makes a good 'loaner' for when my buddies and I go to the range. If one of the wives shows up, it lets her get a feel without breaking her wrist or terrifying her unduly.

But as for perfection? No.. My grandpa's 1945 was perfection. My restored Garand is perfection. My H&K.... errr.. single-shot Can opener is perfection. pistols are designed every bit as much for killing people as 'assault rifles' and to be fair, if I was going to Drill someone I would use my 30.06, not an AR-15.

Yes, spree shooters seem to like them, but that's because MAC-10's are harder to find.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 13, 2018 1:22 AM  

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Blogger Stephen March 13, 2018 4:19 AM  

I find it amusing that people talk about the AR-15 as if it is the only 5.56mm caliber rifle capable of taking a high capacity magazine. A more traditional looking weapon like a mini-14 will shoot you just as well.

Blogger Stephen March 13, 2018 4:22 AM  

Bobiojimbo wrote:"Those of you who went and saw Black Panther or The Last Jedi in the theater helped make it successful, even if you made snarky critical remarks about it later. By doing so, you increased the ability of Disney and Marvel to continue making more movies like that. By supporting the convergence, you ensure that there will be more of it."

You're right. They like us to hate it too. Because if we hate it, we're still likely to go see it to confirm our biases. Just like I'm guilty of doing with the Last Jedi.


Please remember to use Pirate Bay for hate watching and reviews.

Blogger Harambe March 13, 2018 4:33 AM  

Stephen wrote:I find it amusing that people talk about the AR-15 as if it is the only 5.56mm caliber rifle capable of taking a high capacity magazine. A more traditional looking weapon like a mini-14 will shoot you just as well.

The FBI learned that the hard way in THAT shooting

Blogger Harambe March 13, 2018 4:39 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Nate wrote:I wonder how many of us stopped reading at "I carry a Glock 19"...

I suppose that was the real tell.

An authentic Glock owner would have interrupted himself at that point and inserted a paragraph detailing all of the ways that the Glock is PERFECT.


I carry a Glock 19 and the only thing it has going for it is that spares and mags are ubiquitous and it'll cycle anything roughly resembling a 9mmP cartridge. Both of those things override any other considerations in South Africa. Other than that, it's pretty middle of the road compared to e.g. the cheaper CZ P07, which has better sights and trigger, but is a pain to get spares for if you don't happen to live in one particular part of the country.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 13, 2018 6:50 AM  

I think all the debate about what the AR-15 can do is just distraction and playing into the Anti-gunners' game. It's the slippery slope.

The real point is that his comment was just another "guns are dangerous" line.

No shit, we know that. It's kind of the point.

And we accept all that risk in order to be able to keep govt in check and defend ourselves. Your concerns are just un-American, feminized B.S.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2018 7:43 AM  

"I think all the debate about what the AR-15 can do is just distraction and playing into the Anti-gunners' game. It's the slippery slope."

no sugar... he is already banned and spammed. he didn't get anywhere with his BS. There is no slope. What it was, was the giant sign that said "HELLO FELLOW GUN PEOPLE!"

OpenID vfmshadow0342 March 13, 2018 12:12 PM  

@124:

I think all the debate about what the AR-15 can do is just distraction and playing into the Anti-gunners' game.

You have a point there. The pro-gun people are letting the anti-gun nuts define the terms of the argument (not just the one on this thread).

I suggest pointing out the fact that private US citizens (or a group of them) owned WARSHIPS in the time of the American Revolution.

Blogger James Dixon March 13, 2018 12:47 PM  

> ...if I was going to Drill someone I would use my 30.06, not an AR-15.

I thought that went without saying. But I guess you never know who is reading.

Blogger Dire Badger March 13, 2018 8:26 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> ...if I was going to Drill someone I would use my 30.06, not an AR-15.

I thought that went without saying. But I guess you never know who is reading.


To be fair, the only time I have ever had to take lives it was with weapons CONSIDERABLY larger than a rifle.

I, like many vets, am of the opinion that there should be NO prohibited classes of firearms... If you want a 30mm air-cooled autocannon and can afford it, go for it. a fully armed F111? more power to you. I only 'Draw the line' at indirect-fire weapons... because they require a minimum of 2 people to fire, which means that if there is drift, there is no way to assign responsibility... was it the shooter or the spotter? I guess you could say the same about machine-corrected weapons like missiles, as well.

Blogger Dire Badger March 13, 2018 8:29 PM  

That might be why liberals hate veterans so much...

Blogger Dirk Manly March 13, 2018 8:34 PM  

@98

I don't think you know what constitutes cover for military rounds.

Even a 5.56 will blast through concrete construction block (to say nothing of brick and wood) and still be lethal for anyone right behind it.

Anything less than a sandbagged position, behind a 4-foot tree-trunk, inside an armored vehicle, or inside a foxhole does NOT constitute cover, merely concealment.

Search Youtube for: Marine Corps penetration tests

Blogger Daniel March 13, 2018 9:09 PM  

Tschai saga ftw but not from these fuckers

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