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Monday, March 19, 2018

Why I delinked Alpha Game

A number of people have asked me why I stopped blogging at Alpha Game, and then, delisted it from the Day Trips here. The answer is pretty simple: I got bored of the subject, bored of the discussions of the subject, and was beginning to find the people who wanted to discuss the subject to be increasingly tedious as well.

The social heuristic of the socio-sexual hierarchy is, in my opinion, one of the most valuable ideas I have ever encountered. In my opinion, it is up there with Taleb's concept of uncertainty and the Black Swan. I use it effectively on an almost daily basis, both in my work and in my personal life. I use it to anticipate and avoid problems, to artfully resolve situations that arise, to advise others, and to plan for the future. I use it to present a broader range of characters in my writing and to better understand the perspectives from which the authors I am editing are writing.

Which is why I'm simply not at all interested in trying to prove its legitimacy or its utility to doubters anymore. I'm not interested in trying to explain socio-sexual theory 101 when I am actively implementing its practical applications. Nor am I interested in listening to the endless nattering from the gammas that a) gamma isn't even a thing, b) there is nothing wrong with being a gamma, c) being a gamma is better than being an alpha, d) they're totally alphas when they're not busy being Navy SEALs, and e) they're not gammas, I'm the gamma.

And above all, I am aggressively disinterested in listening to the constant and inescapable refrain of "what about me" and "where do I rank" heard from nearly every male individual who encounters the theory for the first time. I am not the socio-sexual police nor do I convey a place on the hierarchy to anyone... and the mere fact that anyone would turn to me to provide it is indicative of a complete failure to grasp the concept in the first place. I am merely an observer of human behavior who happens to be aware of a few behavioral patterns that most people reliably exhibit.

70 Comments:

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 19, 2018 12:29 PM  

Nice to have a link to a simple, commentless page describing it, though.

Or maybe an infographic.

Blogger Looking Glass March 19, 2018 12:32 PM  

A good story has an end. If a subject has a final, highly predictive form, you stop having anything to discuss about it. It becomes codified within core texts, and, eventually, becomes the culturally absorbed and an unthought reality.

We're in the "we've got 98% of it" phase in parts of the Net. Most work is still focused on teaching Men hard realities, but someone will eventually work it all into book that'll be the seminal discussion on most of the topic. That's probably still a few years out, though.

As to the specifics of the Socio-Sexual Hierarchy, the general concepts aren't actually that board in explanation, but they're insanely far-reaching in application.

Blogger Some Guy March 19, 2018 12:35 PM  

Gamma move Vox. You should stop being Gamma. If you question me on this I'll show you how much of a secret Alpha I am by reversing your logic and showing that I win even when you think I lose. How is McRapey anyway?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 19, 2018 12:35 PM  

It served its purpose well and has probably been an immense help to lots of us.

Blogger Jail Cussox March 19, 2018 12:35 PM  

Excellent... more time spent on things that truly matter.

Blogger Starboard March 19, 2018 12:38 PM  

Before I started reading Vox Popoli/Alpha Game, the term we used for a group of SJW Gammas was Sister Wives, named after the reality show. It was a good short hand for the self destructive and office destroying drama they favored. Gammas ruin everything.

Blogger McChuck March 19, 2018 12:43 PM  

"Aggressively disinterested." Classic line.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 19, 2018 12:46 PM  

You mean we can't carpet bomb the comments any more with our SUPER SIGMA alter egos? Full disclosure: my alter ego super sigma was Arnold Sigmanegger! I fooled all of you!!

Blogger YIH March 19, 2018 12:48 PM  

Some Guy wrote:Gamma move Vox. You should stop being Gamma. If you question me on this I'll show you how much of a secret Alpha I am by reversing your logic and showing that I win even when you think I lose. How is McRapey anyway?
Please, his explanation is legit, and really, between RoK and Chateau Hartiste, Alpha Game had become superfluous anyway.

Blogger Brick Hardslab March 19, 2018 12:56 PM  

Good. Because I want more CH and Arkhaven. And the rpg.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah March 19, 2018 12:56 PM  

I'm not interested in trying to explain socio-sexual theory 101 when I am actively implementing its practical applications

Taleb said something similar. "Talk is cheap"

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2018 12:58 PM  

Need to get VD a tee-shirt:

"Sigmas don't give one f--k let alone two."

Blogger Azimus March 19, 2018 12:58 PM  

As a guideline to understanding your place in the social hierarchy, and how to grow in the right direction, it is a fantastic tool. It never was the exhaustive philosophy commenters tried to make it out to be... the only weakness to it, IMO, was the Sigma classification. I understand why it has to be there, and that's why it was a tool and not a philosophy, but it has always felt like a "secret king" back door for gammas unwilling to properly classify themselves. That said they were very interesting conversations for the 6-12 months you covered it here - thank you for sharing it with us over the years.

Blogger CM March 19, 2018 1:00 PM  

When alt-university is formed, VD can write textbooks, but someone else mans the classroom.

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 19, 2018 1:03 PM  

Of course, human nature being what it is, this post will inevitably provoke questions about the very subject Vox says he would not like to discuss at the moment. Ah well.

Blogger VD March 19, 2018 1:06 PM  

Of course, human nature being what it is, this post will inevitably provoke questions about the very subject Vox says he would not like to discuss at the moment. Ah well.

One post here is not a problem. But every single day? Yeah, that was never going to last.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 19, 2018 1:08 PM  

I think the socio-sexual hierarchy is a very valuable contribution to the field, but remain convinced that the parallel on the introvert side of the axis is incomplete. Over on the extrovert side, the progression runs from Gamma to Delta to Beta to Alpha. On the introvert side, we have Omega (Gamma analog) and Sigma (Alpha analog), but no Delta or Beta analogs.

And one of these days, I'd like to write a series of posts. "Advice to Ann Average." Ways for the average young woman to upgrade her chances that go beyond the diet-and-exercise lecture she hears daily.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat March 19, 2018 1:10 PM  

“”Aggressively disinterested”. I am so stealing that line.

Blogger VD March 19, 2018 1:10 PM  

I understand why it has to be there, and that's why it was a tool and not a philosophy, but it has always felt like a "secret king" back door for gammas unwilling to properly classify themselves.

Sigma is probably better understood as a sub-Alpha form. It probably wouldn't have been observed, except for the fact that I was in a position to distinguish between Sigma and Alpha proper. I have observed that there are at least two Gamma types as well, and there are probably at least three different Delta types.

And the Gammas were always going to redefine themselves as secret winners in some manner anyhow. It's natural for people to want to redefine success to fit themselves; my personal favorite was the obvious Delta who wondered if competence might make one a "Stealth Alpha".

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 19, 2018 1:12 PM  

On the introvert side, we have Omega (Gamma analog) and Sigma (Alpha analog), but no Delta or Beta analogs.

Most Deltas are probably introversts and most Betas extroverts.

Blogger Shimshon March 19, 2018 1:14 PM  

Vox, IIRC there was a time you did speculate that AGP was going to overtake and perhaps even supplant VP.

I agree with your take. Game and the SSH are pretty much as fleshed out as they can be. There's even mainstream awareness of some aspects. Pretty lies still trump painful truth for the masses.

Personally, it too has helped me in improving every relationship I have. Thanks Vox, for delving into the subject.

Looking Glass, I too await that book.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2018 1:23 PM  

On the introvert side, we have Omega (Gamma analog) and Sigma (Alpha analog), but no Delta or Beta analogs

Helps to see the Gamma-Alpha side as a bell curve (with a swelling left/gamma end in a society without male cohesion and rites of passage.

The Omega-Sigma side as polarity: the "flip" is revealed when the offbeat man starts to pull attractive women.

Most Deltas are probably introversts and most Betas extroverts.

Maybe it's more accurate to see the two sides as hierarchical/social vs loner, not necessarily introvert/extravert.

Blogger RobertT March 19, 2018 1:23 PM  

People who worry about status generally don't have status.

Blogger S1AL March 19, 2018 1:27 PM  

"On the introvert side, we have Omega (Gamma analog) and Sigma (Alpha analog), but no Delta or Beta analogs.

Most Deltas are probably introverts and most Betas extroverts."

More accurate to say that beta virtually necessitates extroversion. Deltas are >50% of all men. By necessity at least half of those are extroverts (introverts are only about 25% of the population). I think there's an analogue to beta on the introvert side, but it could also just be described as high-confidence, introverted delta.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 19, 2018 1:28 PM  

@20: "Most Deltas are probably introversts and most Betas extroverts."

Nope. Most people are extroverts. What we're seeing are two separate hierarchies, one for introverts and the other for extroverts. Deltas fall on the extrovert hierarchy.

It's probably worth pointing out that there seems to be a definite ratio of Delta to Beta to Alpha. And it's arguably independent of absolute quality. The example Vox likes to use, Band of Brothers, is a story of troops who would be considered elite in most units - Beta or higher. But in an Airborne unit, itself elite, they are Deltas.



Blogger S1AL March 19, 2018 1:29 PM  

And many gammas are introverts. I'm guessing that the split Vox described is primarily an introvert/extrovert difference.

Blogger heyjames4 March 19, 2018 1:32 PM  

Lead/Follow/Get-out-of-way
Alphas Lead
Deltas Follow
Omegas get-out-of-way
Betas lead/follow
Sigmas lead/get-out
lambdas follow/get-out??
gammas refuse all three options, cause trouble, get fragged

Blogger John March 19, 2018 1:39 PM  

I have observed that there are at least two Gamma types as well, and there are probably at least three different Delta types.

I know, I know, but:

Please consider making a brief post on this purely for informational purpose (maybe on Alpha Game where no one will see it) and just turn off the comments or whatever. You have the advantage of being smart enough to figure these things out on your own, some of us don't. I'd still be gamma if not for all your posts and gamma-bashing. The socio-sexual hierarchy is, as you say, the most transformative and functionally useful concept I have ever encountered (other than Christianity, but that doesn't count since I was raised Christian). It's like seeing the Matrix.

Can't hurt to ask…

Blogger VD March 19, 2018 1:44 PM  

People who worry about status generally don't have status.

Spoken like someone who not only has no status, but has never even met anyone with status. FFS, read Taleb. One of the curses of success is that it tends to propel even people who have no interest in status games into being forced to play them more often.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2018 1:54 PM  

I had always thought that a book on christian socio-sexual game could have been the most important work of your career.

Blogger Dave March 19, 2018 1:55 PM  

YIH wrote:Some Guy wrote:Gamma move Vox. You should stop being Gamma. If you question me on this I'll show you how much of a secret Alpha I am by reversing your logic and showing that I win even when you think I lose. How is McRapey anyway?

Please, his explanation is legit, and really, between RoK and Chateau Hartiste, Alpha Game had become superfluous anyway.


It's just Some Guy, he wasn't being serious.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2018 2:02 PM  

Agreed. Learning about game was one of the most important discoveries of my adult life, especially because I grew up without a strong father figure. But a man can learn about all he needs to know about game in a year. After that, reading about game becomes an intellectual rabbit hole that will often push you to become paranoid of women.

Blogger S1AL March 19, 2018 2:17 PM  

"It's just Some Guy, he wasn't being serious."

And an actual gamma would have written three paragraphs justifying why he wasn't *actually* doing exactly what Vox described.

Blogger Legion of Logic March 19, 2018 2:19 PM  

I don't understand. I think the vast majority of people couldn't care less what Greek letter category is arbitrarily assigned to them by a bunch of "alphas".

Blogger Some Guy March 19, 2018 2:23 PM  

@9

You obviously missed the reference to me being a secret alpha. It was a joke about McRapey and his ultra Gamma self. I agree with Vox for getting rid of the link. He has enough on his plate now that Voxiversity has finally seen the light of day.

Blogger peppermint88 March 19, 2018 2:23 PM  

Which if the gammas here will make the infographic from what's written in SJWADD? I would totes do it if I had the meaningless drawing skills, but it's beneath me to copypaste what starts at 68% through the book into mspaint with some stick figures.

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers March 19, 2018 2:28 PM  

Well Mr. Day, you can rest in the knowledge that there's one marriage that's better because of Grace and the
mirror called AGP that showed me what I was, and the way out. For that, I am deeply grateful, thank you.

Blogger rekrapt March 19, 2018 2:28 PM  

Alpha Game changed the way I interact with people in my day-to-day life. And, not just females. Once you get it, you get it. I'm glad it is still up and I have it bookmarked, but the blog is idle too much for me to check it daily anymore. Vox Day and this blog, on the other hand, has changed the way I view the world and the way I think. Whenever I start talking with a man that seems lost, I direct him to Alpha Game. Once I feel like he is ready, I send him here.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 19, 2018 2:31 PM  

Spoken like someone who not only has no status, but has never even met anyone with status. FFS, read Taleb. One of the curses of success is that it tends to propel even people who have no interest in status games into being forced to play them more often.

At what point do status games in an organization start to interfere with actual work being done?

Blogger peppermint88 March 19, 2018 2:31 PM  

Pepe is an alpha, Wojack is a delta, Anonymous Delivers is a beta, Carl the Cuck is a gamma. Pepe is an omega, Wojack is a beta. Do we have any sigma characters other than the chan hivemind itself?

Blogger VD March 19, 2018 2:33 PM  

At what point do status games in an organization start to interfere with actual work being done?

When there are four people.

Blogger SirHamster March 19, 2018 2:45 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:It's probably worth pointing out that there seems to be a definite ratio of Delta to Beta to Alpha. And it's arguably independent of absolute quality. The example Vox likes to use, Band of Brothers, is a story of troops who would be considered elite in most units - Beta or higher. But in an Airborne unit, itself elite, they are Deltas.

That's the fractal aspect of the hierarchy. Zoom in, zoom out, you still have Alphas, Betas, Deltas, and Gammas.

Blogger Scott Birch March 19, 2018 2:53 PM  

Alpha, beta, gamma abd delta categories exist within the lambda tribe. There's a lot a gamma flavour everywhere though. As with women.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 19, 2018 3:10 PM  

Totally understandable. I can only imagine how tedious it had become.

It's a fascinating and valuable theory. So many things in life just crystallize now, with this structure for reference. Thanks.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 19, 2018 3:11 PM  

VD wrote:Sigma is probably better understood as a sub-Alpha form. It probably wouldn't have been observed, except for the fact that I was in a position to distinguish between Sigma and Alpha proper. I have observed that there are at least two Gamma types as well, and there are probably at least three different Delta types.

Vox, I've been trying to systematize these categories, and the best I have done from past discussions here and Alpha Game has been that:

1) Delta/Beta/Alpha are a spectrum of natural social and leadership abilities,
2) Gamma is a damaged Delta/Beta/Alpha,
3) Sigma is outside that spectrum and
4) Omega is a damaged Sigma.

If Sigma is a sub-category of Alpha, they are Alphas who are able but unwilling to socialize or lead? Alphas are not just willing but compelled to lead? Where do Omegas fit?

Your 2011 post on AGP defining the categories talked about the socializing/womanizing side of the categories, and in the comments there you talked about doing another post to extend the concept beyond that. Did you ever do that post?

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 19, 2018 3:16 PM  

I'm always amazed at how long some people can stay on a given topic, and engaged in the same tedious, repetitive debates, day after day. Both those running blogs, and some of the commenters.

The Global Warming/Climate Change topic is a good example. Watts Up With That has been going for many years now. And it has been a great source for counter perspectives on this giant fraud.

But man, you go to the comments and it's the same damned debate over and over and over, ad nauseum. My eyes glazed over long ago. I occasionally take a look and it's always the same.

Many other examples of the same thing. I guess it's the whole Sperg thing, eh? I could never do it.

Blogger Ahärôwn March 19, 2018 3:25 PM  

VD wrote:At what point do status games in an organization start to interfere with actual work being done?

When there are four people.


No wonder Jesus continued to have trouble with the twelve.

Blogger Harris March 19, 2018 3:31 PM  

Frankly, I mainly went to Alphagame.blogspot to get to the links you had. Since you stopped posting, the only real utility was as a shortcut to the other websites on the subject matter. And like yourself, I've grown bored with the topic generally, but liked to stay in touch with some of the content from time to time.

Blogger Theophilus Chilton March 19, 2018 3:36 PM  

Pro-tip: If you can't figure out where you are in the hierarchy, then you're probably a gamma.

Blogger Looking Glass March 19, 2018 3:38 PM  

@42 SirHamster

Gamma is going to have a functional aspect relational to the system. The more the system can't be left, the more Gammas & Omegas show up. "Worst of the Best" might take on some Gammas tendencies over time, but they should normally rarely exist if there's a heavy merit-based aspect to the selection criteria.

The more a system is based on the state of some aspect or the system can't be left, you'll see a far larger number of Gammas, while Omegas will be far out of proportion the higher those aspects go.

Blogger Beau March 19, 2018 4:01 PM  

One of the curses of success is that it tends to propel even people who have no interest in status games into being forced to play them more often.

Yes.

Blogger Nate73 March 19, 2018 4:21 PM  

Is the socio-sexual hierarchy also based on the observations from Chateau Heartiste (Roissy)? I've been thinking about reading some of his earlier posts but not sure where to start.

Blogger SDH March 19, 2018 4:34 PM  

@45 Vox, I've been trying to systematize these categories, and the best I have done from past discussions here and Alpha Game has been that:

1) Delta/Beta/Alpha are a spectrum of natural social and leadership abilities,
2) Gamma is a damaged Delta/Beta/Alpha,
3) Sigma is outside that spectrum and
4) Omega is a damaged Sigma.


Alpha wants to lead and people want to follow him. It's a tough job, as you have to work hard and produce results. He is very aware of his status. Lots of people want to be an Alpha but very few have the ability and desire to pull it off. e.q. Donald Trump

Betas are capable and hard working, they can lead successfully but not in every situation. They don't actively seek leadership and it usually wears on them. e.g. Dick Winters from Band of Brothers.

Deltas are most men, probably 75% or more. e.g. just about everyone else besides Winters from Easy Company.

Gammas want to be Alpha but don't have the talent or the work ethic to pull it off. They're lazy and dishonest. They know they are failures and will try anything other than hard work to pretend they're not. I think they are mentally ill.

Omegas are social outcasts who have no luck whatsoever with women.

Sigma is a subset of Alpha, Vox noticed that some guys win without even trying to play the game.

Most men who don't know where they fit would be Delta.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2018 4:40 PM  

This may be the funnest story in a newspaper I have seen in a year:

"Catfights Over Handbags and Tears in the Toilets"

When this producer launched a women-only TV company she thought she'd kissed goodbye to conflict...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

Blogger James March 19, 2018 5:02 PM  

I'm amused that I didn't even notice the Alpha Game link was gone. I guess I grew tired of it as well. I can't seem to stop think of the Greek Letter Hierarchy as I first read about in Huxley's "Brave New World":

I'm glad I'm not an Alpha, they have to make decisions
I'm glad I'm not a Beta, they have to keep track of things,
I'm glad I'm not a Gamma, they have to make things,
I'm glad I'm not a Delta, they have to fix things,
I'm glad I'm an Epsilon, we get to clean things!

Blogger Hammerli280 March 19, 2018 5:15 PM  

@45: I think of it as two completely separate spectra.

The extrovert spectrum runs from Gamma to Delta to Beta to Alpha.
The introvert spectrum runs from Omega to unnamed Delta/Beta equivalents to Sigma.

Think of it in terms of a military organization. The Alpha is the Commanding Officer. The leading NCO and Executive Officer may also be Alpha, but of lesser grade. The other officers, commissioned or not, are Betas. The line troops are Deltas, with some Gammas spread among them. The Gammas are likely to get shot once the bullets start flying.

The whole introvert spectrum is doing introvert jobs. Sniping. Scouting. Divisional staff officers. Or supply.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira March 19, 2018 5:54 PM  

This is good. It's been tedious for a long time. Most of us know damn well, and can read enough history, to back up the the general idea of a hierarchy.

Blogger LP999-16 March 19, 2018 7:21 PM  

Not surprising I think you have given the best content in regard to Game Theory in a concise complete matter that is applicable to the future.

Smart pple get bored. I adore AG but like ROK to Hearsite to others, they are mens outlets so I dont comment aza a woman.

I think content at AG is wonderful, Carry on the great work!

Blogger LP999-16 March 19, 2018 7:25 PM  

I am excited about Info Tech InfoGpedia, InfoGalactic News, http://www.castaliahouse.com/ and Alt Hero!! So proud, thrilled!!

Happy Easter to the Day Fam and Team doing amazing projects.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2018 8:11 PM  

i would humbly assert that online... the "I'm a Sigma!" guys are the worst...

Blogger Michael Maier March 19, 2018 8:13 PM  

Well if I'd re-read the entire archives of AG first before getting involved with my last GF, I'd probably be engaged right now.

Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing...

Blogger VFM #7634 March 19, 2018 9:03 PM  

"The introvert spectrum runs from Omega to unnamed Delta/Beta equivalents to Sigma."

The unnamed Delta/Beta equivalents were called "successful Omegas" in a post called "Alpha Mail: the Omega perspective".

Blogger Rashadjin March 19, 2018 9:42 PM  

With respect to e), I have to wonder if it's the ego's delusion bubble trying to reform itself to some degree.

But I can fully appreciate being bored and ready to move on with the SSH. Only so much to dig into with the topic, and there's been a lot of digging. That said, there's probably something to @45 Ominous Cowherd's idea of Gammas/Omegas being damaged versions of higher ranks, if not also a lot to do with narcissism on the Gamma side of things.

Oh, and kudos to Vox n' Co. for Voxiversity #2. That was an excellent presentation.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2018 10:09 PM  

I for one and very grateful to Vox for bringing the concept of game to us. If not for diving in under Roisy's tutelage back in the day, per Vox's ht, I wonder if I would be blessed today to have a beautiful wife and 3 beautiful boys I am training up to carry on our great civilization.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 19, 2018 11:33 PM  

Gammas want to be Alpha but don't have the talent or the work ethic to pull it off. They're lazy and dishonest. They know they are failures and will try anything other than hard work to pretend they're not. I think they are mentally ill.
Not lazy. Many Gammas are very hard working. They are unable to bear the pain of honestly looking at themselves, and therefore unable to improve. The overriding quality of the Gamma is denial of failure or inadequacy.

Blogger Nakota Publishing March 20, 2018 12:02 AM  

Sorry to hear that, Vox. It's an interesting and valuable subject. Though I'll admit that many of the commenters tend to be idiots. Male ego trumps an actual desire for self-improvement.

Blogger jdgalt March 20, 2018 1:01 AM  

It does seem rather incongruous that a man who regards casual sex as sinful would promote a way of thinking that is all about getting some.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 20, 2018 1:58 AM  

Jdgalt,

Go cuck your churchian wares somewhere else. We aren't interested.

Blogger SciVo March 20, 2018 2:52 AM  

OT: Is this the most pointless protest ever? Women appealing:
1. to men without authority to fix the problem, and
2. also with a remarkably solipsistic deficit of sympathy for men's ever-shrinking terrain of space safe from the social and emotional aggression of women.

After over a century of feminism's assaults on male spaces, what in the world makes them think that yet another one would garner them sympathy??

Blogger wreckage March 20, 2018 4:41 AM  

It's a decent theory, and proves illuminating, both WRT individuals, and organizations.

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