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Saturday, March 24, 2018

Woe is us

For future reference. Perhaps they are right. Perhaps they are not. Only time will tell. But at least we will have a public record of whose analysis was correct and whose was not.

The Audacious Epigone:
The day the Trump presidency died

So bye, bye MAGA dream in the sky:

This is probably the beginning of the end of Trump’s presidency. The midterms are shaping up to be a bloodbath. The markets now put the odds of Democrats re-taking the House at 68%. The odds of Democrats gaining control of the Senate is 40%, an astoundingly high figure given Democrats are defending 25 of their seats--more than half--while Republicans are defending just eight of their own.

The last two years of Trump's term will be one of perpetual Russia, Russia!, RUSSIA!! and impeachment proceedings initiated by a Democrat congress riding its "blue wave", while pusillanimous Republicans meekly position themselves in various ways in opposition to the isolated president.
John Derbyshire
This budget bill is, in short, a middle finger to President Trump. Its larger message: populism is no match for the Deep State. The contest is an unequal one. It’s almost cruel the way the congresscritters—Chuck Ryan and Paul Schumer, Nancy McConnell and Mitch Pelosi—it’s almost cruel the way they are grinning and chuckling and high-fiving among themselves over how easy it’s been to kick sand in the President’s face.

I’m afraid we can now see that the populist victories of two years ago that filled us with so much hope were in fact a false dawn, a mirage. For all its spirit and vigor and successes, the populist movement is amateurish and uncoordinated. It’s no match for the seasoned, hardened operatives of the Deep State, with their decades of experience at gaming Western democratic systems.
Who else merits quoting? There is no need to quote Never Trumpers like Jonah Goldberg and Ben Shapiro. And the Z-man already publicly abandoned the Trump Train and disowned the God-Emperor, so quoting him would be redundant.

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189 Comments:

Blogger Steve March 24, 2018 11:37 AM  

John Derbyshire, a blackpilled depressive crying into his tea? Say it ain't so. Has anyone asked Peter Hitchens or Radiohead what they think?

Blogger sykes.1 March 24, 2018 11:45 AM  

Buy guns and ammo now, and hide them.

Blogger Keyser Soze March 24, 2018 11:49 AM  

Fucking quitters!!
Cucks in disguise!
GE had to relent on the budget. He was setup and he knew it. But maybe there are other revelations coming.
Remember the path to success is non linear. 2 steps forward, 1 step back.
If you have no faith, in God, GE, or even yourself, then keep your cucky comments to yourself, whinny journalistic bastards.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer March 24, 2018 11:57 AM  

"This is the begining of the end if Trump. " Well, let me tell w... . ZZZZZ. Sorry I fell asleep cuz this is like the 13 billionth time Ive heard that phrase.
You naysayers are wrong. Trump, by easily getting this bill has moved his fulcrum 6 months closer to thing he is trying to move. Sessions is gonna come through (His cases have to be tight) . The OIG report is gonna confirm the US's banana republic status.
The Trump Train is steam-rolling all ahead full. Its gonna be an awesome summer. God bless President Trump.

Blogger Lazarus March 24, 2018 11:57 AM  

I keep reading analysis that an Omnibus bill is not like a budget. The earmarks for spending are SUGGESTIONS, not mandates. Planned parenthood does not get 500 million on Monday. They may never get it. It all depends on how Trump plays it.

I am not an expert in American government, but it does not sound like many Americans are either.

Blogger Steve March 24, 2018 11:59 AM  

Look, if you ever find yourself thinking like Marvin The Paranoid Android after binge-watching the works of Darren Aaronofsky, i doesn't even matter if you're right.

Because despair is the one unforgivable sin for a reason. Are we given a spirit of fear? Hell, no.

"Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men" - George S. Patton. If you ever admit defeat in your heart you will win NOTHING.

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 24, 2018 12:01 PM  

Some Q fans have dug into the bill and there may be more than what's apparent on the surface.

"Omni bill, over 2000 pages. Did they read it.
#QAnon
You can bet Trump and team combed it....and maybe buried little gems like this in it?"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZABd6lU8AAhXHL.jpg

"Ok. I am a little upset. Can believe he signed. DEEP BREATH. Anons are digging in the bill. Could be a good thing. Looks like the wall is there and there is a witness protection program on it. Dems and Repubs May have funded their own tribunals! More to come. @POTUS #MAGA #QAnon"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZARfvpXcAAOkAu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZARfvoWAAICRJ9.jpg

"I can confirm this #Qanon post - I know the Army Corp of Engineer and he has the contract in hand but needed funding - now he has it "
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZBSckcU8AAzk_Q.jpg

Etc.

Don't know myself but it's interesting.

Blogger Daniel March 24, 2018 12:06 PM  

I never once denied the Deity, nor will I. He is the only one who has proven he can do something right.

Ben Kenobi screwed up plenty, but that never changed the fact that he was our only hope.

You want a nuked Death Star? You might have to accept a few Alderaans along the way.

Blogger Daniel March 24, 2018 12:07 PM  

And Gamergate is dead.

Blogger Ataraxia March 24, 2018 12:08 PM  

"The Trump Train is steam-rolling all ahead full. Its gonna be an awesome summer. God bless President Trump."

Still no wall. DACA still alive. More gun control coming. You're still paying for Planned Parenthood. But tell me all about this awesome summer we're about to have.

Blogger VD March 24, 2018 12:11 PM  

Still no wall. DACA still alive. More gun control coming. You're still paying for Planned Parenthood. But tell me all about this awesome summer we're about to have.

One of the things that gives us confidence is the certain knowledge that you perma-losers are always, always, always wrong.

Blogger wreckage March 24, 2018 12:14 PM  

@10, oh golly. Trump has infringed your right to keep and fabulously accessorize arms! I hear he's banning sequins next.

I suggest you send a sternly, or at least poutily -worded email, or maybe flounce a bit.

Blogger Justin Bailey March 24, 2018 12:14 PM  

Cernovich spent all day yesterday trying to demoralize Trump supporters. Milo was doing some virtue signaling to the black pill crowd too. Meanwhile, kids are marching in DC to demand their rights be taken away. The media narrative seems to be winning, for now anyway.

Blogger Pale Male March 24, 2018 12:15 PM  

Fascinating if true:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZBSckcU8AAzk_Q.jpg

$80 billion buys a whole lotta wall, and a lot else too.

Like maybe everything needed for tribunals at Gitmo.

Hoo, boy, belt in 'cause this looks like one wild ride.

Blogger D. March 24, 2018 12:16 PM  

After a few indictments, all of this will be forgotten.

Blogger seeingsights March 24, 2018 12:18 PM  

There is a pessimistic strain going back for decades among the Right which I find curious.
For example, Whittaker Chambers, after he converted from Communism to anti-Communism, said that he joined the losing side.
People have to realize that there will be difficulties along the way, and that we are not going to win every issue in the political arena.

Blogger pyrrhus March 24, 2018 12:20 PM  

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/screen-shot-2018-03-24-at-7-46-32-am.png

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 24, 2018 12:21 PM  

The GEOTUS has very publicly trashed this bill and has gone out of his way to add to the perception that the Dems won this round. Heck the Dems are dancing in the streets!

Methinks the Master Persuader has something up his sleeve.

Blogger pyrrhus March 24, 2018 12:21 PM  

Matt Bracken: Trump will lose Congress, then be impeached.

Blogger Cedric March 24, 2018 12:22 PM  

I fail to see how they're any different than the Never Trumpers. They're not on the train, and thus should not be listened to any more. They deserted the line in battle, will they ask for a battlefield promotion if the tides of battle turn the other way? Them running away is significantly more infuriating than the the President losing a fight. Amazing how one accuses pusillanimous Republicans of opposing an isolated God-Emperor, as they themselves are publicly doing just that.

Blogger pyrrhus March 24, 2018 12:24 PM  

"For example, Whittaker Chambers, after he converted from Communism to anti-Communism, said that he joined the losing side."
Camus said something similar in his Nobel speech. But weren't they right? Look at France and America now....

Blogger pyrrhus March 24, 2018 12:26 PM  

@20 "Them running away is significantly more infuriating than the the President losing a fight. "
I still support Trump, of course. But he didn't "lose a fight"--he surrendered on abject terms. That's different.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 24, 2018 12:28 PM  

People who can't remember last week are predicting failure in 6 months.

Blogger FUBARwest March 24, 2018 12:30 PM  

Is Scott Adam's deserving to be quoted here or is his abandonment in October disqualify him already?

Blogger Austin Ballast March 24, 2018 12:32 PM  

So which "mistakes" was Trump allowed to make? Must he be perfect or completely useless?

These people don't consider the alternatives at all. Trump is not perfection, but he is headed the right way more than any other recent president, including saint Reagan.

It is the cuckservatives in the Senate that really enabled this. Hold them accountable, not a single president.

And "conservative" Bush II was so great, right? No Child Left Behind. "We are all big government conservatives now." Etc.

Blogger Richard Holmes March 24, 2018 12:33 PM  

One of the things that gives us confidence is the certain knowledge that you perma-losers are always, always, always wrong. - VD

They remind me of the french. One shot in their direction and they run away.

When 2 ex-presidents die and 2 or 3 of them are indicted and arresting, being held in Gitmo. Let us see how they change their tune. I hope someone reminds them over and over and over and over of what they said and when they said. I hope VD does this... I don't have that skill set. Once they relent and admit they are right. Make them dress up like girls and say over and over "I am sorry, I was wrong. I am also a pretty pretty girl."

Blogger Michael Neal March 24, 2018 12:33 PM  

Dead cat bounce

Blogger Uncle Max March 24, 2018 12:35 PM  

I hope all that ANON speculation about the wall is true. Nice time to start building will be the week the IG report comes out and indictments are announced. That's two news cycles and likely a week or two apart. Lots of cover there to squeeze reports that bulldozers are dozering and cement plants have popped up along the Rio Grande. Heh. I hope.

I'll say this. I'm in a funk, but tell myself, that GE has delivered in deed and action. In word he is a shapeshifter... and that's a good thing. So, by his actions, I'm good to give him time. The idea that he's done and the swamp won is waaaaay premature. He could sign a end to the Korean cease-fire and a reunification timeline in 6 weeks. He is also on the precipice of a M.E. change too. A man that puts in 20 hour days can get a LOT done. I'm with the keep the faith crowd. MAGA.

Blogger KBuff March 24, 2018 12:35 PM  

I think the chans might be right. The President may be able to use some of the appropriations for the Wall and the fight against the Deep State. He may have used the chaos of the process to his advantage. What's better is that the Dems are giddy, and they helped him do it.

Blogger Cynic In Chief March 24, 2018 12:35 PM  

"Trump will lose Congress, then be impeached."

And Santa Claus and his army of unicorns will march him out of office. Please spare me the sob story.

Most fools don't realize that the electoral map is heavily stacked against the Dems in the Senate this year. The Republicans could lose the house (but it's rather unlikely), but they'd pick up a few Senate seats. Even if they could muster up an impeachment charge, they couldn't come close to managing a conviction.

Blogger James Dixon March 24, 2018 12:36 PM  

> The markets now put the odds of Democrats re-taking the House at 68%.

And they had Hillary winning with an electoral college vote that would have rivaled Reagan's second term.

Wake me when it happens.

And if they're right? We've had two more years to prepare for the coming war. A large chunk of the right is now awake and now knows they're not going to be able to simply vote their way out of the current situation.

Blogger Joeplanet March 24, 2018 12:40 PM  

Derb's naming scheme above is pretty funny and I will be borrowing it.

That aside, I have been deep in the chans for months and Q is legit. I have seen too many things for him/her/it not to be. I admit that my faith was wavering because we were promised March Madness and we are quickly running out of March. But there is still time and disinfo is somewhat necessary.

The Army Corps of Engineers sounds like a classic Trump move. Direct control is his preference versus indirect control -- i.e. see all his generals and use of Marines.

Add also if the uniparty just paid for their own nooses, screw over 9000. This is over 9,000,000.

Blogger Anno Ruse March 24, 2018 12:40 PM  

"Cernovich spent all day yesterday trying to demoralize Trump supporters. Milo was doing some virtue signaling to the black pill crowd too."

I stopped paying attention to marketeers and trend-followers (MAGA Mindset, Win Bigly, Comb Your Hair Like Trump and SUCCEED!) a year ago. They're good at describing what's come before, not so good at predicting what's coming next. Coulter is no doubt looking for ghostwriters for her next book, "The Failure of Trumpism".

Trump already wrote the book on how to be Trump. The Art of the Deal shows you how he operates and includes his failures. One bill signing erases 50 years of consistent behavior? Oh but Trump tweeted "I like DACA kids" so he's probably gonna cuck on that. Six months later...

Blogger VoodooJock March 24, 2018 12:44 PM  

Onr battle doesn't make the war. Trump has shown he learns from mistakes. Expect the next round to have a different result

Blogger James Dixon March 24, 2018 12:45 PM  

> So which "mistakes" was Trump allowed to make?

Has Trump magically changed into Hillary overnight? No? Then he's fine.

> "Trump will lose Congress, then be impeached."

And if the military makes it clear that they will consider any successful impeachment of Trump an unconstitutional coup and will act accordingly, what then?

Blogger VoodooJock March 24, 2018 12:46 PM  

Onr battle doesn't make the war. Trump has shown he learns from mistakes. Expect the next round to have a different result

Blogger exfarmkid March 24, 2018 12:47 PM  

Coulter is no doubt looking for ghostwriters for her next book, "The Failure of Trumpism".

Heh. It may just be a long drawn-out menopause on her part. But, Coulter's shrill hysteria usually cheers me up - because it is so absurd. Then I ignore her.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 24, 2018 12:47 PM  

George Washington and General Giap lost every battle.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey March 24, 2018 12:49 PM  

To everyone jumping off the Trump Train right now, I have to ask. Did you really expect Trump to enforce fiscal discipline on this Congress? If so I have no idea where you got that hope. I would counsel a little patience, and development of realistic expectations.

Blogger KBuff March 24, 2018 12:50 PM  

If anything, the fact that some of these journalists I've enjoyed reading and listening to in the past appear to be rather weak-willed is the most disconcerting aspect of this whole event.

Blogger exfarmkid March 24, 2018 12:50 PM  

Matt Bracken: Trump will lose Congress, then be impeached.

Who the f*** is Matt Bracken?

Blogger pyrrhus March 24, 2018 12:50 PM  

@31 Very true. And the good part is that most elections are decided on local issues, and many will have forgotten about this debacle 7 months from now--as long as Trump doesn't sign another abomination in 6 months.
I would add that Trump doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes on DACA, where he still seems to advocate amnesty...

Blogger Timmy3 March 24, 2018 12:52 PM  

If no one read the bill as voted and signed, the Trump gets the last word. Government bureaucrats and Judges always read it the opposite anyways. There’s always executive discretion. Pack the courts and the agencies.

Blogger James Dixon March 24, 2018 12:53 PM  

> I would add that Trump doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes on DACA, where he still seems to advocate amnesty...

And he will, because:
a) He's a kind hearted person who really doesn't want to abuse people who were lied to.
b) It a good hammer to hit the Democrats with.
c) He's not ready to deport all of them yet.

Blogger rainman March 24, 2018 12:54 PM  

Despair is both tactically useless and unattractive. I'd much rather be around people who will fight in the shade than people who get weak knees at a single enemy victory

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume March 24, 2018 12:55 PM  

First: Nil Desperandum

Second:
@19 "Matt Bracken: Trump will lose Congress, then be impeached."**

Well, then we shall have a Cold Civil War likely go Hot. Which, Trump or no Trump, was pretty likely anyway.

And if Trump were, by some means, actually Impeached, we must keep in mind that they are only charges, not a conviction.

Good luck with conviction.


But, were it to happen, a couple of things are possible, even likely:

Trump will be 'martyred' in the eyes of those who supported him. This will get messy, for those who didn't.

And, I can't remember if it was someone here (possibly even VD himself) or someone at Instapundit who said (paraphrasing): "If they don't like Trump. they really won't like the guy who comes after him if they find a way to get rid of him."

**-That guy's first book had a lot of potential but damn, he needs an editor.


Blogger pyrrhus March 24, 2018 12:55 PM  

Most do not realize that this Bill also re-instituted a Democrat provision, defeated last time, allowing the government to take guns from social security recipients who are deemed unable to manage their finances...

Blogger Justin Bailey March 24, 2018 12:55 PM  

@33 Yeah I only brought them up because Vox asked who else should go on the list. In 2015 I dumped Fox News for the "alt right" twitter. In 2016 I dumped the "alt right" nazi larpers for the "new right". In 2017 I dumped the "new right". Only Vox remains, because he neither tries to spoon feed bs or go running for the hills at the first sign of danger. It's been a wild ride for me the last few years.

Blogger Stilicho March 24, 2018 1:00 PM  

Most Trump voters simply aren't paying attention to a spending bill. To the extent any are, they generally stop listening after "defense" and "more immigration enforcement". The midterms won't be moved much by this bill.

Blogger pyrrhus March 24, 2018 1:02 PM  

@46 But, were it to happen, a couple of things are possible, even likely:

Trump will be 'martyred' in the eyes of those who supported him. This will get messy, for those who didn't.

Very likely. Impeachment could be Pandora's Box, which will likely understood by Schumer.For that reason, I think Bracken will be wrong on that..
Trump was always going to be a transitional figure, hopefully buying us a lot of time for Normies to wake up...

Blogger Markku March 24, 2018 1:09 PM  

Going out of one's way to preach defeat from the rooftops is stupid. Let's say you are right with 75% probability. Now, what is gained if you convince everyone of your position, and it's the correct position? Nothing.

But what if the 25% is true? What is lost? A lot.

There comes a point in the intensity of the preaching where you have to wonder about its motivations.

Blogger Steve March 24, 2018 1:11 PM  

I stopped paying attention to marketeers and trend-followers

The hot take merchants and social media entrepreneurs live on the internet, which is now a loose constellation of ideological bubbles bobbing along to clickbait and hashtags. They simultaneously overinflate their own importance (if they were important, they wouldn't be on the internet all day), and the importance of daily events (also a problem with 24 hour news).

Zhou Enlai once - probably apocryphally but nonetheless correctly - said it was "too soon to tell" what the French Revolution meant. That sort of near cosmic perspective is probably too rarified for government work, but it's a damn sight more useful than greedily gobbling blackpills like some emo Pacman.

Blogger VD March 24, 2018 1:12 PM  

Is Scott Adam's deserving to be quoted here or is his abandonment in October disqualify him already?

Yes. He was only off for a short while.

If anything, the fact that some of these journalists I've enjoyed reading and listening to in the past appear to be rather weak-willed is the most disconcerting aspect of this whole event.

And you wonder why I have so much contempt for a) those journalists and b) the readers who consider those journalists to be my peers or even superiors.

Blogger VD March 24, 2018 1:12 PM  

They simultaneously overinflate their own importance (if they were important, they wouldn't be on the internet all day), and the importance of daily events (also a problem with 24 hour news).

Precisely.

Anonymous Anonymous March 24, 2018 1:15 PM  

He singed a 6 month spending bill. A spending bill pushed by the leaders of his own party. A spending bill that NO MATTER WHAT would never contain funding for the wall because the Democrats will never allow that as long as there is a filibuster. That's reality.

A 6 month spending bill.

My goodness, I need to buy stock in smelling salts for these whining ninnies. Smh.

Blogger Markku March 24, 2018 1:22 PM  

Though in this particular case, it matters little. Because what is the victory condition here? Is it that the bill is actually a GOOD thing? Nobody believes that. No, the victory condition is that Trump pretends to have lost, when it's actually a feint for something else. Now, if this is the case, then isn't it PRECISELY what his base should be doing, to whine about how everything is lost?

In this particular case, there's just no way to go wrong. If it's lost, it's lost. If it's not lost, we should still be behaving as if it were lost.

Blogger kmbr March 24, 2018 1:23 PM  

@41 Who the f*** is Matt Bracken?--

He's a long time poster at Free Republic. Lives on a sailboat and writes Tom Clancy like novels.

I actually like to hear his interviews.

He's a boomer but I think he gets the demographic, racial stuff--he is just still a little too cucked to incorporate it into his analysis--that said, you kinda have to fill in the holes because race and demographics are the ONLY thing that matters at this point.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 24, 2018 1:26 PM  

See what happens when you personally don't contend on the moral level of conflict You write wonderful essays full of truth and still the morons of the left beat you with demoralization propaganda

Blogger VD March 24, 2018 1:31 PM  

In this particular case, there's just no way to go wrong. If it's lost, it's lost. If it's not lost, we should still be behaving as if it were lost.

That's not true. If you're off the Trump Train, then you're not part of the solution. You're in there with the cucks, the Never Trumpers, the nihilists, and the perma-losers. I don't think you understand what these people are saying. They are actively giving up and giving in to despair. There is a massive difference between a) this is a loss and b) all is lost, I'm giving up and going home.

I assume this was a loss. I am NOT saying it was a super-secret 12D chess win. But nevertheless, I have confidence in the God-Emperor's ability to utilize the new situation to his advantage and score more important victories in the future.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 24, 2018 1:34 PM  

Strong truth here.

Blogger Markku March 24, 2018 1:34 PM  

VD wrote:In this particular case, there's just no way to go wrong. If it's lost, it's lost. If it's not lost, we should still be behaving as if it were lost.

That's not true. If you're off the Trump Train, then you're not part of the solution. You're in there with the cucks, the Never Trumpers, the nihilists, and the perma-losers.


That's not how I understand "The Trump Train". I understand it as participating in the "God Emperor" and other stuff. Not doing that, doesn't mean NeverTrump. That's a false dilemma.

Blogger Jeremy Daw March 24, 2018 1:36 PM  

My bar for Trump is extremely low. Is he still not Hillary? Yes? All is well... 😊

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson March 24, 2018 1:36 PM  

I'm not getting this whole extreme blackpilling on this spending bill. Cuck Ryan and Cuck McConnell played a really dirty trick on Trump. They dumped this spending bill on him and then high tailed it out of town for 2 weeks. What was Trump going to do?

If he vetoed the bill, the government would have shut down, the media would have had 2 weeks of sob stories to bash Trump over the head with and then congress would have come back and overridden Trump's veto. At worst this situation was a lose/lose for Trump and he chose the least bad situation.

On top of that, this isn't the worst thing that could have happened. Now the GOPe cucks have to pass another of these continuing resolutions one month before an election. The GOPe cucks are going to have to get up on their hind legs and act like Republicans because a lot of them are going to be in really close battles to keep their jobs and their cushy corruption life. Late September is Trump's best time to ram the rest of his agenda through congress and force the Republicucks to do what their voters want.

On top of that in the last day we've learned that all of this omnibus spending is at the discretion of the executive branch, so Trump doesn't even have to spend that money. This means that all of these leftist spending provisions are just for the Democrats to wave around in their primary races in an attempt to keep their jobs.

On top of that it looks like nobody read page 1,488 where the chans have discovered that there's a whole lot of money for the Army Corp of Engineers to spend on something big like a big beautiful wall. /pol is always right, so this whole budget mess may very well end up playing out just fine for us.

Blogger Lazarus March 24, 2018 1:38 PM  

So Congress finally passed a budget. It’s a blockbuster—$1.3 trillion, or around four thousand dollars for every man, woman, and child in the U.S.A.

No Derb, it was not a budget bill, it was a spending bill.

That is, if these anons are correct:

https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/86ogn4/omnibus_bill_is_not_a_federal_budget_potus_wins/

Blogger SirMaorio March 24, 2018 1:38 PM  

wait and see... this is just a little over a day old. see what happens in a few weeks with this. at first glance this does look like a loss but wait and see, patience is key here

Blogger Bobo #117 March 24, 2018 1:42 PM  

"Muh Bump Stocks!!"
Everybody had 8 year under the Gay Melungeon to by all the bump stocks,ARs,AKs,cords of ammo that they could.
I know I did.
All the people who need/want to be heavily armed & can use it...are.

SocSec little old ladies have their purse-pistol confiscated? Ouch, where's her son? Does it matter?

It's all theatre.
Let it play out.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 24, 2018 1:46 PM  

Derbyshire is getting up there. I agree wholeheartedly with a post by P.A. that examined how the older we are, the more apocalyptic we can be. For outright narcissists, it can get extreme. That's likely what's up with Derbyshire. He lost his credibility when he attacked the 16 Points with his petty semi-cuckservative critique.
Meanwhile, the rest of us have to live on. Some have to raise children. Some have to continue building the business they've been working on for five years, and some are military people still waiting to get their 20.

Blogger Raoul Sheridan March 24, 2018 1:50 PM  

...Fair Weather Friends...

Who needs them?

Blogger Jack Ward March 24, 2018 1:51 PM  

To Richard @26
I hope someone reminds them over and over and over and over of what they said and when they said. I hope VD does this... I don't have that skill set.
Who the hell needs a skill set? Except to type more or less correctly. Once Trump and the boys of Sherwood lower the boom I do believe I will start all comments I make, regardless subject, Hey you A holes that thought the GE was done, up yours and your horse's. Don't fall for this defeatist crap. Don't fall, STAND tall and full of confidence. Maybe it all won't work out at one time. It will work out. At least you will have acted the man. Maybe for the first time in your gamma life.

Blogger Gloriam Deo March 24, 2018 1:52 PM  

the fact that this is not a budget and thus the president is not obligated to follow it gives me hope. yes, it funds some stuff we don't like, but a) trump can delay or stop those funds from moving and b) he can divert funds towards something like a wall and no one can say "boo" about it.

Blogger Jack Ward March 24, 2018 1:59 PM  

@57 Markku
I have always liked the cut of your jib and find much of interest in this comment you made. Really interesting those ideas.

Blogger VD March 24, 2018 2:03 PM  

That's not how I understand "The Trump Train". I understand it as participating in the "God Emperor" and other stuff. Not doing that, doesn't mean NeverTrump. That's a false dilemma.

Your understanding is totally incorrect. It has literally nothing to do with what everyone else is discussing. They are all actively giving up and withdrawing their public support for Trump.

Blogger Markku March 24, 2018 2:05 PM  

Those are two separate questions. What being on The Trump Train means, and what these two particular individuals quoted on the OP, have done.

Blogger Jack Ward March 24, 2018 2:05 PM  

@63 Jeff
read page 1,488
Thank you chans and Jeff for mentioning it. I know I should try to read the whole darn thing but, you know, I do have something of a life and how much would I really understand? I read the analysis of smart people and/or sources that have proved themselves in the arena of being correct far more often than not. Good enough for me. Besides, VD keep us from believing too much wrong bs. No?

Blogger John March 24, 2018 2:06 PM  

I made this because Muh Trendline.

https://kek.gg/i/7gbywr.jpg

Blogger Jack Ward March 24, 2018 2:11 PM  

Thanks John of 75. That was fun to look at. I think it should become one of the MEMEs. I have saved it and will, with your permission of course, use it here and there.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 24, 2018 2:11 PM  

Whatever Trump's strategy is with the bump stock ban, the right thing for us to do is flood them with comments slamming the proposed ban when the rule is actually proposed.

Blogger VD March 24, 2018 2:14 PM  

Those are two separate questions. What being on The Trump Train means, and what these two particular individuals quoted on the OP, have done.

No, they are not. Look up all the people who have declared that they are now "off the Trump Train". What those people have done is get off the Trump Train.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 24, 2018 2:15 PM  

Well I'm hanging tough with the G-E. Not that that means anything, and I don't get anything by being right or wrong (IOW internet cred, etc.), but that's my position.

This crap just seems "genetic" in the right. Almost all want to look smart by being the first to credibly call the end of Trump. And implicit in that is the claim that they're smarter, more politically adept, and more savvy than him. I guess we'll see; again.

Blogger John March 24, 2018 2:18 PM  

@76 Thanks Jack Ward. Please repost (without attribution of/c).

Blogger Rick March 24, 2018 2:20 PM  

Re the omnibus bill, Trump is:

“Clever as the serpent.
Innocent as the dove.”

Blogger HoosierHillbilly March 24, 2018 2:21 PM  

Come on kids. We piss and moan about who "has to go back". Then cry when the federal government doesn't play exactly our way. What kind of American attitude is that?

The feds hate us. Always have, always will. Donald gives us a chance to keep getting ready in our own communities. Any respite is a blessing. But to think the State is going to be all rainbow stew now...ain't been the case since we started.

Blogger justaguy March 24, 2018 2:23 PM  

and so boys and girls, Trump won the election with the help of the Russians and we all lived happily ever after for the next eight years.... Life isn't a fairy tale, Trump temporarily compromised on some things temporarily to get military spending. Currently he doesn't have enough support in the senate to get what he wants-- so he need more support. This is a swamp/establishment issue not Trump.

Blogger snod snodwon March 24, 2018 2:31 PM  

Learning in a system with unknown state requires making non optimal moves. Redefining such things as “losses” reduces your ability to reason about them. He is observing the effects of his decision and incorporating this information into his future moves like an intelligent agent. It is very short sighted to discount his string of achievements over what is very likely to have been a move out of zugzwang.

Don’t you know about reinforcement learning?

Blogger Jack Amok March 24, 2018 2:31 PM  

Camus said something similar in his Nobel speech. But weren't they right? Look at France and America now....

You chose for your screen name a guy famous for losing even when he won. What does that say about your mindset?

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 24, 2018 2:32 PM  

Markku wrote:Now, if this is the case, then isn't it PRECISELY what his base should be doing, to whine about how everything is lost?

In this particular case, there's just no way to go wrong. If it's lost, it's lost. If it's not lost, we should still be behaving as if it were lost.


Yes. Every time this happens I remind myself that all the wailing and bitching of his base actually serves a purpose. It reminds Trump of his mandate and what his base values, and it gives him ammo of a sort to fight his battles (probably better stated by someone else). I'm inclined to think that this is what he wants.

Blogger GK Chesterton March 24, 2018 2:32 PM  

There is no getting off this wild ride. But I have to admit that the signing was frustrating.

Blogger S1AL March 24, 2018 2:36 PM  

"There is a pessimistic strain going back for decades among the Right which I find curious."

That because conservatism is an inherently losing notion. Change will happen. Conservatism is, fundamentally, an attempt prevent change.

This is why you see so many "conservatives" who will sniff disdainfully about how Teddy Roosevelt was "the first progressive", understanding neither that (a) nobody cares, or (b) there's a reason he was so popular.

Conservatism is, at base, the desire to lose more slowly.

Blogger Matthew March 24, 2018 2:38 PM  

One more thing to add to the TRUMP WILL NEVER... list: "veto a spending bill".

Anonymous Anonymous March 24, 2018 2:46 PM  

While some are swallowing black pills and whining others are Having fun and fighting the culture war

I prefer to have fun. Life's too short.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 24, 2018 2:55 PM  

I see McCabe is on the public relations tour with a Bezos blog post about his "confusion."

Blogger Lovekraft March 24, 2018 3:12 PM  

So has Cerno pulled a Shapiro?

Blogger Triple_Scoop March 24, 2018 3:16 PM  

Not really.
General Washington won the Siege of Boston, Harlem, both Trenton's, Princeton and Yorktown. He did lose a number of battles, and had many detractors because of them. But his overall strategy was successful.

I wonder how that might apply here.

Keep the Faith.

Blogger Dr. J March 24, 2018 3:17 PM  

looks like nobody read page 1,488

You've got to be joking. That would be ultimate kek.

Blogger Avalanche March 24, 2018 3:18 PM  

@79 "Almost all want to look smart by being the first to credibly call the end of Trump."

Oh, I don't think it's that. For so many of us, it's that we've been beaten, and slapped down, and tricked, and kicked, and brutalized, and had the football pulled out from our kick, so many times that "losing" is our default position. To automatically tip over into that at (what appears to be) a huge loss is way too easy. To retain hope, to gird again and trudge back into the battle, is hard.

It's like those poor dogs in the 'learned helplessness' experiments. We've had so much experience that we've learned that we *cannot* escape the electrical shock, so we just sit and quiver.

Deep thanks to our Dark Lord for reminding us that we don't need to sit through the shock(s). Overcoming our first 'curl-up-and-die' reaction isn't merely possibly, it's necessary.

So, onward Christian (and other) soldiers -- marching as to war!

Blogger Underdog March 24, 2018 3:19 PM  

Seriously. It’s high-time we fight as well. Get a full length mirror and ask that dude what he’s done before you start griping about a billionaire who had everything to lose and nothing to gain. Don’t act like you’re “powerless” either. I’m planning to primary my republican state rep in FL. Yeah, she’s a traitor.

Blogger tuberman March 24, 2018 3:20 PM  

If the Left gets power back here now, they'll go all-in. Trump's family will literally be wiped out, as in murdered. He knows that. All the military people who have helped him and their whole families gone, and they know that. Do any of these selfish pundits have even a clue what is a stake? Do they expect mercy for their wobbly words? HA! Everything is still appearances and not reality for those pundits.

THIS IS WAR.

Anonymous Anonymous March 24, 2018 3:23 PM  

Oh my God!

What if it was the Russians who signed that spending bill? Hmmmm? What if Putin and mind control is behind it all?

I miss LSD. People were more rational when that stuff was popular.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 24, 2018 3:31 PM  

I’m planning to primary my republican state rep in FL. Yeah, she’s a traitor.

You only have little over a month before the filing deadline

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 24, 2018 3:39 PM  


That's very insightful. It has to be true, too, to at least a certain extent. They want to fix the society in a particular past decade, instead of protecting a specific demographic, or even defending a specific set of beliefs.
Wasn't T. Roosevelt pretty based on immigration issues? I think I remember reading something by him demanding complete assimilation.
Roosevelt being a progressive is just so different from what we have now, even if there are some similarities.
Roosevelt wanted health inspectors to inspect slaughterhouses and meat canneries. It's very difficult to square that with wanting people arrested for labeling trannies with wrong-gendered pronouns.
Bringing him up is not doing them any favors. No one today is going to say, "Now the early 1900s, that's when the country really started going to hell in a hand basket."
They'd be better off referencing 1860.

Wouldn't it be great if they spent as much time fighting for our people as they do rambling about vague, amorphous "values?"

Blogger Unknown March 24, 2018 3:41 PM  

JD gives the deep state too much credit. Black pillers and concern trolls can all fuck off. Show a little fortirude FFS.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 24, 2018 3:46 PM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:Bringing him up is not doing them any favors. No one today is going to say, "Now the early 1900s, that's when the country really started going to hell in a hand basket."
It is the considered opinion of many knowledgeable people that 1913 is when the American Republic and the US Constitution were finally overthrown.

Blogger Robert What? March 24, 2018 3:51 PM  

It is unfortunate that Trump did not veto the bill and go down swinging. Unless he has some 3D chess move that we just can't see. Otherwise, Trump goes down not with a bang, but with a whimper.

Blogger FUBARwest March 24, 2018 3:58 PM  

This whole thread is why the Alt right is inevitable. One defeat. LITERALLY ONE and everyone is jumping ship and losing their minds.

Trump won and everyone on the left doubled down and are currently throwing everything they have at him to get back on track for them. I cant wait for the alt right to be main stream and the cuckservatives to die out because watching people run around like chickens with their heads cut off is embarrassing.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton March 24, 2018 4:01 PM  

To those here who remember reading Robert Silverberg's Hawksbill Station: Is Mr. Trump gathering a potential Council of Syndics around himself preparatory to declaring himself Chancellor?

Blogger JR March 24, 2018 4:23 PM  

Who else merits quoting?

I'll speak for who merits quoting by me. Everyone decide for himself!

Dick Morris: "Trump defeats deep state with Bolton appointment."
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_eYeXfnNuU)

A man called Dr. Steve Turley, who I first came across only an hour ago, for the sheer fact that he does NOT react like a drama queen:
"Here's why we need to hold on to a long term perspective ..."
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPnO_HTEABg)

For the same reason, as well as for reading the Bible, Daryl Lawson: "Trump is genius ...." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnHFQEWSOJ0)

Demanding and expecting Trump to fire many of his of staff since Feb 20 (https://youtu.be/4HmwlxUaoG8) - Steve Piecznik. This notorious flip-flopper hasn't appeared with comments on the White House's latest. February last year he was adamantly against Bolton (http://stevepieczenik.com/keep-john-bolton-out-he-is-a-neocon/), which would make especially amusing to hear his response.

Nick Fuentes: (https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/976990046573166592)

Also 'waiting' for Thierry Meyssan: http://www.voltairenet.org/auteur29.html?lang=en
and Patrick Lang: https://patrickarmstrong.ca/

Styx's verdicts are all right and predictable:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SupmIIa6tE4)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGX-PXfRSGY)


You decide for yourself.

Blogger NoneOfTheAbove March 24, 2018 4:33 PM  

I don't think Jim has completely left the train, but the pill is a mighty dark grey right now.

"But all these things are pretty small potatoes compared to illegal immigration. Trump can’t even send back the DACA illegals.

The new people are still being elected. The great erasure continues."

https://blog.jim.com/uncategorized/dont-vote/

Blogger Dirk Manly March 24, 2018 4:38 PM  

The most accurate way to look at it is like this...

If this were a baseball game, this would be an at-bat ending in a force-out at home plate.

ONE force-out

After a string of 12 base hits and walks.


You people need to get a freaking grip on reality and get a hold of yourselves.

And get off the fainting couches. Honestly, you sound like a bunch of Victorian-era teenage drama-queens.

Blogger Christopher Nolin March 24, 2018 4:42 PM  

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Blogger tz March 24, 2018 4:43 PM  

Since they can predict the outcome of the midterms with metaphysical certainty, how about the value of the major Stock Market indicies?

When the Dems cucked their base on DACA, everyone cheered. Now everyone despairs.

Is there not enough lithium left to stop this manic-depression bipolarity.

First, I admit the omnibus was a defeat or blunder. Trump was elected in no small part because of the prior Ryan gave Obama more than he wanted omnibus. For Ryan to cause Trump to do the same with Pelosi and Schumer makes for very bad optics. And bad policy. Even worse - Every Republican (Reagan Included) has backstabbed the base. Trump is just another Brutus? A Judas? (he could have waited a week - The Democrats should call GOP supporters and ask for 30 pieces of silver). Trump went all Jeb Bush on us. I will not minimize the level of betrayal this was.

But wait even a few weeks and see what happens. Like when he talked about a DACA deal - that the Democrats killed. And the tax cut. And eviscerating Obamacare piecewise.

If this was like the cruise missiles to whatever airbase in Syria to make the neoCons go away, it might be a tactical defeat as part of a strategic winning offensive.

I don't know, except Bush cucked from day 1 and got worse. This is the first and only time I can think of with Trump. If by June Illegals are seeking Sanctuary in California, choking the coast, more regulations have fallen, and half the top of the FBI has been indicted (or at least fired), we will be talking differently.

There is "time preference", but one thing I don't like about most computer games is that they are universally targeted at those with a short attention span. How many days did the battle of the bulge take? Even on the old Plato system, there was a game with four teams based on Star-Trek (Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Orion) - Empire? - that could take days to play and win. There is nothing around to develop the virtues of patience and temperance, and to play over a period beyond a few hours.

Blogger lowell houser March 24, 2018 4:48 PM  

Trump's "Never Again" caught my attention. Combined with AJ's declaration that Trump was threatened with an engineered 10,000 point stock market crash it looks like Mr.4D Chess had a card played on him that he simply did not see coming, and cards like that can only be played once.

The Swamp is currently gloating over beating Trump(and they did, that's not in dispute), but this is a gambit built on an expectation that they are going to continue this sort of thing up through November when they plan to sweep both houses and then begin impeachment proceedings to prove to everyone that the Swamp will always win and this sort of insolence will no longer be tolerated.

If Q Anon is legit, half of them are going to be warming a cell in GITMO by then. That's what it's going to come down to, either Trump has that kind of rabbit to pull out of his hat, or he's already finished, at best a lame duck for the next six years.

Blogger ace March 24, 2018 4:49 PM  

It's certainly a setback, but it had black pilled a lot of vanilla conservatives. They will be casting around for more effective solutions soon enough.

Blogger Audacious Epigone March 24, 2018 5:00 PM  

I'm not off the Trump Train. I don't think Trump is a traitor or a cuck or anything ridiculous like that. He is the best thing we have. He's instinctively on our side. What he has done over the last few years is heroic and I do not regret in the slightest my strong support for him from the beginning, support that continues now.

My intention was to give a reading of where we are based on the information we have.

I think my initial assessment from before he was sworn into office holds (gratuitous self-quote):

"Just as Trump's candidacy was a referendum on a wall, so will his ability--or lack thereof--to get that wall built be a referendum on his presidency."

It is now clear that the congressional uniparty will not work with him in any capacity to have the wall built. If it is going to be done, he is going to have to bypass congress. It is clear that they will perpetually act in bad faith. He can bypass them, but I don't think he will.

Parenthetically, your acknowledgement is humbling, Vox. Can't express how impressed--awed, really--I am by how much you've done and how much you've created. I never miss a word posted here.

Blogger Demonic Professor El March 24, 2018 5:11 PM  

1. Don't trust MSM - they lie, and for purposes of blackpilling psyops.
2. Don't trust conservatives. They are cowards and also lie.
3. Don't trust any polling/betting numbers above 55%. Polls manipulate and lie to blackpill.

Just remember that Trump, within a 24 hour frame, is both the most hated and the most popular president.

So, if the odds and polls say Democrats are at 70% likelihood, it means the opposite. If the media says Trump's base is upset and leaving, it means lil' Ben Shapiro and a NY Times editor said so.

Don't despair in the darkness brothers. And never trust the orc.

Blogger L March 24, 2018 5:16 PM  

I think Stefan Molyneux merits quoting. He said, "It was Trump or bust. And it's bust." This, and many other similar statements, is his YouTube video from 3/23/2018 titled, "Why Donald Why? President Trump Betrayal, Signs Disastrous Spending Bill!"

I think Stefan is a great man, on the right side, very ethical, super smart, super rational, and yet I think his emotions got the better of him this time. I expect (and hope) that he'll come back around.

Blogger Demonic Professor El March 24, 2018 5:24 PM  

@115 L

That happens to Stefan sometimes, the olde despair. Hopefully in a week or two he'll be back in spirit. He is in Canada though - maybe the Winter and the Trudeau got to him a little.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 24, 2018 5:25 PM  

Linking to my post on the other "Oh noes! All is LOST!" thread
Trump notified Congress the same day he signed the appropriations bill, that he will spend the money any damn way he pleases.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:the President has notified the Appropriations committee that he will be spending, as he sees fit, any funds in any accounts designated as Emergency Spending by statute and the declaration of a President, including but not limited to the GWoT, any emergent health crisis, and (I believe) Human Trafficking, designated an emergency both by statue and by the Executive Order Trump previously signed.

Blogger Stilicho March 24, 2018 5:26 PM  

Audacious E., please explain how you think this bill will have that big of an effect. It's a spending bill, Congress being Congress. Trump voters aren't going to lose heart because of out of control spending. All he has to do is start making visible progress on the wall while highlight cuck-ocrats' efforts to replace Americans. Sure, the talking heads want to pitch this as the end of Trump, but no one outside of their rabbis cares what they think.

Blogger tz March 24, 2018 5:27 PM  

To counter the Woah, Giddy-Up!

Trump is banning Transgenders from Military service (mostly, but the details are encouraging). No more Bradley Bulls who think they are Chelsea Cows, being turned into Soldier Steers at taxpayer expense.

Anonymous Anonymous March 24, 2018 5:47 PM  

Cernovich on Twitter acknowledging the reality of democracy:

Most people have the minds of children.

He is now engaging in reverse-psychology and fear-mongering to rouse Trump's base from their slumber and mitigate midterm damage.

Blogger Looking Glass March 24, 2018 5:49 PM  

@111 lowell houser

Trump might do bluster really well, but he doesn't make idle threats. The current funding runs out on October 1, 2018. Depending on leverage, Trump could literally leave the government shut down through the election. However, we've got a massive IG report and a lot of criminal charges that'll be flying before that date.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 24, 2018 5:50 PM  

aew51183 wrote:He is now engaging in reverse-psychology and fear-mongering to rouse Trump's base from their slumber and mitigate midterm damage.
It's cute that you think Cernovich is that strategic, or that rational.

Blogger tuberman March 24, 2018 6:06 PM  

Even in the last few days more and more strange connections are coming out about who really controls the purse strings in DC, and what they're are doing (sabotage of anyone doing any good). SERCO and SES are the keystones to solving the Deep State, even more than the intel agencies. Many of the SES are female lawyers, and are running scared now that they are being named. They thought that they would remain hidden, and completely safe from their acts of treason and/or spying. Many are Brits, so foreign operators.

Just within the last several days much of this has come into the sunlight. This treason goes so broad and so deep...there will be speed bumps on the way to cleanup.

Blogger SciVo March 24, 2018 6:10 PM  

Justin Bailey wrote:Cernovich spent all day yesterday trying to demoralize Trump supporters. Milo was doing some virtue signaling to the black pill crowd too. Meanwhile, kids are marching in DC to demand their rights be taken away. The media narrative seems to be winning, for now anyway.

1 & 2. Great self-promoters are great at identifying great campaigners. It is a "category error" (as VD might say) to think that makes them great analysts of the governing process.

3 & 4. Dude. Did you seriously just cite an astroturf of a cargo cult of '60s activism as signifying something?

Slap yourself a couple times and step away from the crack pipe. Only confused Boomers can be excused for being impressed by mass protests.

Blogger FUBARwest March 24, 2018 6:16 PM  

Does anyone think protests actually do anything? Or for that matter ever did anything? Even in the 60's I think Thurgood Marshall had way more of an impact than MLK ever did.

Blogger Crew March 24, 2018 6:20 PM  

Some think that the kids marching today will be the Democrat's voter base in November ...

Maybe, but then again, maybe it will be like Nixon all over again with energized mature whites turning out to vote.

Anonymous Anonymous March 24, 2018 6:20 PM  

".. b) all is lost, I'm giving up and going home."

There is nowhere to go to. This is my home. The only questions are: will killing will be necessary ? Or is a political solution possible? what political options remain? When to start killing, who to kill, where to kill them, how to kill them.

Trump has consistently demonstrated his Superior executive brilliance..see Rocket Man, China, tax reform, Gorsuch. He delivers the impossible. He plans and executes at a level I have never witnessed in my lifetime.(The neocon professed admiration for McMuffin, French and dubya makes sense; those three are predictably manipulable where Trump see right through them)

Trump is a force for good. St. Paul is instructive on how we are to treat such men.


My prediction? Trump wins big from this deal. The only question is if it's a mistake on his part (I don't think so based on his past brilliance) or if it is a minor distraction as he relentlessly pursues his larger objective and the Roman swamp is about to be surrounded.as the Deplorable Huns give the middle to gain the flanks.




Blogger tuberman March 24, 2018 6:22 PM  

123. tuberman

I am now not sure about the above, see some conflicts, so it's time to take this with grain of salt, although have not seen it disproved either.

This material comes from a couple of 8Chan people and American Intelligence Media on YT. It needs much more proof, so I am stepping back on this stuff. I now have some instinctive doubts.

Blogger Looking Glass March 24, 2018 6:22 PM  

@123 tuberman

I think it's interesting to note how well the Q-Op is working, in something I saw a few days ago. You know the Twitter Thread set, right? They were linking the Treason charges against McCabe and company. They are all for Drain the Swamp, but there's a noticeable shift from Prison to Capital Offenses.

The Q-Operation has a very Trumpian nature, or Trumpian approaches reflect the optimal way to drive certain discovers, so it's interesting watching it filter out. Networks are Networks, which means you can map them, but key information has always been hidden. Or hidden in plain sight.

Though the really interesting aspect is that "hidden in plain sight" Networks are actually very weak to focused Attack Vectors. They never expect any trouble, so you can collapse entire branches of a Network very quickly.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 24, 2018 6:31 PM  

This would be a great opportunity to do a test run on the Infogalactic capability for choosing your perspective.

Blogger Crew March 24, 2018 6:31 PM  

Some idiots out there seem to think that we care about which porn stars the God Emperor has given a taste of his penis. We. Don't. Care!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/380061-stormy-daniels-attorney-sends-a-warning-shot-to-trump

Blogger Looking Glass March 24, 2018 6:40 PM  

@131 Crew

They really are going with the "BUT HE F***ED PLAYBOY BUNNIES! PLAYBOY BUNNIES!" until it stops working. I know why they're doing it (it's to attack Melania), but they still don't realize how stupid they sound.

Blogger Phillip George March 24, 2018 7:00 PM  

run with the Army Core of Engineers building the wall....

as soon as it begins going up Trumps stocks rise through the roof.
the Omnibus bill is a small bit of history.

the battle is not binary politics.

IT is still Us Versus deepstate.

seth rich, Uranium 1, Fisa Warrants, Clinton Foundation fraud of the century, Hussein was never president of Kenya,

Keep the faith, run all the way.

Blogger Phillip George March 24, 2018 7:04 PM  

Marine Intelligence services Versus Deep State,,

stick with the plan

Blogger tuberman March 24, 2018 7:08 PM  

LG

"Though the really interesting aspect is that "hidden in plain sight" Networks are actually very weak to focused Attack Vectors. They never expect any trouble, so you can collapse entire branches of a Network very quickly."

This is very true, makes me hope that the basic material about SES-SERCO Will unravel quickly. Yet this American Intelligence Media YTs gets too paranoid even for me...as in everyone is corrupt, and they still are corrupt.

Blogger Vaughan Williams March 24, 2018 7:22 PM  

Found this elsewhere. Anyone know if it is legit?

Quote:

Research the laws, the 1974 law and statutes.

It's not an official 'Federal Budget'. It's an Omnibus bill...not a Budget...He outsmarted them again...Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget...

Per the Constitution...the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.

This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.

An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some 'instructions' as to how the money will be spent...but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn't spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn't do a thing about it! Because they couldn't.

I think our President observed how this happened, year after year. He is bound to realize that those 'appropriations' for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely 'suggestions'.

So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to. Or not spend it.

Planned Parenthood? What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to 'slow-walk' that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?

Sanctuary Cities? What if our President decided to 'slow-walk' that money too...until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?

Splodey heads? From the Dems and the Enemedia? Why yes. There would be a colorful display of splodey heads.

But what could they do about it. Hah.

Our President could just say 'What! Congress should've passed a Budget.'

Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency, Congress did continual Omibus's and he just took the money . . . for 8 years . . . and no one seems to know where it went.

Blogger The Pepe report March 24, 2018 7:22 PM  

I recall hearing the same things during teh Bush administration he spent too much, that was over 10 years ago and the USA still chugs along... perhaps trump was caught a bit off guard by the bill, next time he will be ready.... Im no fighter but I remember hearing a fighter talk about how he needed to get punched in the nose once to taste a little blood and wake him up,, now we might really start really seeing Trump at his best as he becomes more familiar with how things go

Blogger The Pepe report March 24, 2018 7:22 PM  

trump--->Trump

Blogger SciVo March 24, 2018 7:26 PM  

John wrote:I made this because Muh Trendline.

https://kek.gg/i/7gbywr.jpg


Oh God, it's like if Mr. Market followed politics, bipolar with the memory of a goldfish, every other trend in history has ended but this vector A will go on forever -- and then when trend A ends new vector B will go on forever, and then when trend B ends new vector C will go on forever...

Blogger tuberman March 24, 2018 7:35 PM  

136. Vaughan Williams

Likely to be true, BHO did do business this way, and no one knows where tons of money went.

That was an exact copy of what showed on 8Chan yesterday morning. Don't know if the opposition has iron clad ways to stop Trump.

Anonymous Anonymous March 24, 2018 7:59 PM  

The reality of it is most of Congress is opposed to Trump and this isn't the hill to die on. All a veto gets Trump is a possible shutdown that can be laid on him by all the rats in Congress and the media, an override of his veto or an even worse bill passed in place of this one.

The logic of Congress is as it's been for a while. Electing the Republican likely means the American public gets screwed. Electing the Democrat definitely means the American public gets screwed. The problem is Congress, the Democrats, and the Republicans, and yet all the whining is about Trump.

I'm not happy he signed the bill, but I figure this is no worse than anything that would have happened if Trump wasn't President, it's no logical reason to hop off the Trump train especially if there's no plan to deal with the traitors in Congress. Now if Trump keeps caving and doesn't end up with a wall, different story, but it's still too early to write the man off.

Blogger Lazarus March 24, 2018 8:04 PM  

Trump signed a 1.2 Trillion spending bill in May 2017. I don't remember this level of angst at the time.

What has changed, comrades?

Blogger Looking Glass March 24, 2018 8:10 PM  

@140 tuberman

Considering we're "missing" Trillions, it isn't too hard to build a wall.

Blogger Lazarus March 24, 2018 8:10 PM  

Some idiots out there seem to think that we care about which porn stars the God Emperor has given a taste of his penis.

doesn't GAME suggest it increases his popularity among both male and female voters than the opposite?

Blogger Lazarus March 24, 2018 8:21 PM  

Trump is already expropriating some of the money in the evil bill for his own purposes.

Stop with the sackcloth and ashes already.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 24, 2018 8:22 PM  

I'm not happy...but I refuse to give in to despair.

Trump's biggest weakness is that he doesn't understand the dynamics of bureaucracy...or the lack of professionalism of Obama appointees. Dr. Pournelle or ADM Rickover would have counseled him to do a clean sweep of Obama's people the instant he took office. Even if he had to promote Civil Service personnel as temporary fills, it would be better than Obama's stay-behind saboteurs.

P.S. The wall is merely a symbol. The real need is the willingness to use deadly force to protect the border. Jury's out on Trump's willingness to do that.

Damn, I wish I had the resources to run...

Blogger Meng Greenleaf March 24, 2018 8:32 PM  

It's funny, sitting here on the Trump Train, everything appears so peaceful. Drawing back a curtain on my window shows me a few wisps of cloud. A couple far off mountains obscure an otherwise light blue expanse. I feel happy knowing Trump is running this thing, even though an up close inspection shows me we're actually barreling past dry husks and old stumps, broken rocks and sharp cacti. Seems fine to me.

Here are things I consider:
1. The importance of family.
2. And health.
3. Using The Trivium as a pedagogy (although expanding Logic to include sentential logic ... and since we're this far we may as well add the extra symbols for first order predicate calculus).
4. Peacefully parenting through active positive modeling.
5. The importance of the science of Eugenics (this is actually quite important).


Sound money, free markets, civil liberties, an end to income tax and welfare..... these will probably only be achievable again in the near future through War (Revolution or Civil) or Pandemic.

Eugenics OTOH will be driven by the Chinese. Soon multicultural societies will have to deal with the fact a lot of people are unfit genetically. The best option is for them to return. The incentive could be welfare payments made dependent on their sterilization of volentary emmigration back.

When Meritocracy returns, and it will, many of them will term eagerly to go back. Paretucularly when it's clear they're genetically not able to compete in our societies. Science Deniers will need to be fired from public office - particularly public university employees.

Blogger Lazarus March 24, 2018 8:34 PM  

Some idiots out there seem to think that we care about which porn stars the God Emperor has given a taste of his penis.

That is why he hired Bolton....his porn-stache cancels out her porn-tits.

Blogger AnvilTiger March 24, 2018 8:42 PM  

Apparently the Senate is now adjourned. In tricky fashion, they will have "pro forma" sessions with "no business conducted" on Mondays and Thursdays until April 9th.

Question - can Trump make recess appointments now, or can he not? I say he can. But I'm not a lawyer.

Blogger tuberman March 24, 2018 8:49 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Trump is already expropriating some of the money in the evil bill for his own purposes.

Stop with the sackcloth and ashes already.


Yes, upon further exploration, people are finding numerous Trump Traps in this Ominbus giving PDJT exactly what he needs. Could it be that he had his insiders prepared for this "last-minute" bill to sneak in what he wanted as a set-up? Since they were all going on break, as part of their strategy, they had no time to look over any changes, or add-ons.

Blogger Jeff March 24, 2018 8:50 PM  

Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. I agree wholeheartedly with Ann Coulter. Who's no cuck. Nor is she anybody's fool.

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 24, 2018 8:50 PM  

A lot of big name Trump people are freaking out so badly that I'm beginning to wonder if they've been ordered to as part of a deception operation.

Blogger Adlow March 24, 2018 9:07 PM  

@Troy Lee Messer

You naysayers are wrong. Trump, by easily getting this bill has moved his fulcrum 6 months closer to thing he is trying to move.

Yes. This is a HUGE point that has been completely missed. Trump is already attacking Democrats for neglecting DACA, forcing them to address the issue one month before elections.

Who knows what other tricks he's developing in the meanwhile...

Blogger Vaughan Williams March 24, 2018 9:16 PM  

Ann Coulter isn't a cuck? Of course not, she's a woman. She cucks others. Look at her bed-mates.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 24, 2018 9:29 PM  

As I mentioned in a previous thread, there's a Nixon-era law that says that appropriations have to be spent and that the president doesn't have a pocket line-item veto by not spending money.
Nobody held Obama to any kind of such law because he owned the press, the DOJ, and the FBI, but Trump doesn't have that luxury.
That being said, the executive does have a lot of leeway in exactly how the money is spent and when. He can play many games, and Trump is the acknowledged grandmaster of the slow-pay.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 24, 2018 9:32 PM  

@146 The Civil Service people ARE Obama's stay-behind saboteurs. It's been 8 years of Obama with them rooting out every good person and putting in communists; and before that 8 years of W rooting out every good person and putting in a globalist, and before that 8 years of Clinton putting in Clintonistas. There ain't much there.

Blogger Andrew March 24, 2018 9:38 PM  

Trump is already attacking Democrats for neglecting DACA, forcing them to address the issue one month before elections.

Enough with this endless DACA dalliance. The issue is settled politically. Trump repealed it. The courts will uphold the repeal and Congress failed to act on it. There's nothing more to be gained by endlessly hitting the Dems over the head with it. Let's just move on. The DACA Nightmares were lied to by Obama. Fine. No more lies. Tell them to get their affairs in order for their trip back home.

Blogger Mercy March 24, 2018 9:40 PM  

People are finding numerous Trump Traps in this Omnibus giving PDJT exactly what he needs.

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
Wittingly or not, the doomcriers are making it easy.

Can't wait for March madness to be over, though.

Blogger Looking Glass March 24, 2018 9:45 PM  

@157 Andrew

This is Trump. If Schumer dies in 4 years, Trump will mention his failure on DACA at the funeral. Trump knows how to keep spiking a ball long beyond anyone else.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 24, 2018 9:46 PM  

@156: No, the working-level Civil Service troops are as good or bad as they ever were. It varies by department, of course.

Remember that all real policy is set by Presidential appointees...the 5,000 or so people who are his "nomenklatura". The people with GS grades just get to eat the excrement enchilada.

Normally, an incoming President replacing a member of the opposite party would dismiss his predecessor's lieutenants promptly. And the ones staying over would clearly understand that they were to follow the new President's lead. Or resign. Either course is professional.

Trump didn't have the know-how to understand how desperately he needed to take the reins of power...and Obama's appointees were NOT professional, for the most part. Yes, there were a few (mostly in DOD) who were pros, but there were stay-behind saboteurs throughout the rest of the bureaucracy.

As I said, Dr. Pournelle or ADM Rickover, both men who understood and despised bureaucracy, would have known to do a clean sweep. Trump...not so much.

Blogger Quilp March 24, 2018 9:48 PM  

In defense of the drop outs, there has just been too many decades of "we'll get em next time" for this to fly. Any deviation from the course is seen as capitulation, just another surrender. I can't speak for anyone else, but apologies (and promising never to do it again!) were not what I expected from a President Trump. I still have hope, but it's not an endless supply.

Blogger Daniel March 24, 2018 9:49 PM  

Isn't US economy doing fine in the us? Normies don't give a rat ass about budgets and palace novellas

Blogger Daniel Bendele March 24, 2018 9:52 PM  

I always envisioned the Republicans losing ground in the House during the midterms. Trump isn't running in 2018, a bunch of Republican Swamp Creatures are. Trump didn't win because Republicans wanted a Republican President. It's going to take Trumpist candidates running some very clever races to get a contingent of populists into Congress.

That's why the signing of the Omnibus felt like such a big loss. I think we need Trump to destroy the Ryan's and McConnel's more than we need him to beat the Schumer's and Pelosi's. Everyone even slightly on the Right knows the Democrats are traitors. We're fighting to get people to realize that the Shapiro's and other Cucks are just as bad if not worse.

Blogger Audacious Epigone March 24, 2018 10:16 PM  

All he has to do is start making visible progress on the wall

We're 15 months into his presidency and the prospects are strong that 22 months in, when the mid-terms take place, visible progress on the wall will continue to be lacking. If the assumption is that will have no impact on deplorable voting behavior, a rude awakening is coming.

Blogger SciVo March 24, 2018 10:24 PM  

AnvilTiger wrote:Apparently the Senate is now adjourned. In tricky fashion, they will have "pro forma" sessions with "no business conducted" on Mondays and Thursdays until April 9th.

Question - can Trump make recess appointments now, or can he not? I say he can. But I'm not a lawyer.


No, the SCOTUS ruled unanimously (against Obama) that the Executive can't decide whether the Senate is in recess or not; that's for the Senate to say.

Blogger Andrew March 24, 2018 10:25 PM  

This is Trump. If Schumer dies in 4 years, Trump will mention his failure on DACA at the funeral. Trump knows how to keep spiking a ball long beyond anyone else.

I guess I don't see it as Trump taunting Schumer and the Dems. I see him offering to re-open the issue for the right price because he wants to see the DACA issue resolved through some means other than deportations. I don't mind at all that Trump signed the omnibus. Q says Obama, Clinton and Deep State set out specifically as one of their goals to dismantle the US military in preparation for the final takedown, and had made considerable progress towards that end before Trump won. Trump needs the military money. Just leave DACA out of it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 24, 2018 10:33 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:As I mentioned in a previous thread, there's a Nixon-era law that says that appropriations have to be spent and that the president doesn't have a pocket line-item veto by not spending money.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, this applies only to actual federal budgets. The last time Congress passed a budget, the President was named Bush.
Atop of which, as I pointed out earlier, the spending bill itself contains an exception big enough to drive a truck through, in that any funds designated discretionary can be redirected by the President to any account designated by statue as an emergency fund. Since everything the government wants to spend money on is designated an emergency, this essentially gives Trump license to spend the money any way he wants.

Literally, he can spend the money to close the border, build the wall, hire ICE agents, whatever he wants to do, because those have been declared and statuatory emergencies since the Reagan administration.

Blogger Looking Glass March 24, 2018 10:37 PM  

@166 Andrew

The Game Theory about DACA is pretty straight forward. There is no DACA bill that can pass the House & Senate. There just isn't. There is a compromise bill that would be acceptable to the Right & Middle, but Trump wins if he gets full Left & Deep State approval of his Wall. They can never accept that. There is 0 deals that include a Wall that can current pass Congress.

So, if Trump doesn't bend, there is no deal, thus the Game Theory "play" is to dangle a deal that could never pass to play towards the Middle hard. The mock Chuck & Nancy the entire time. It's an explicit demoralization approach while waiting for the time to run out. That's what the Logic dictated to do back in September, and Trump has done it masterfully since.

Now, has it be enjoyable? Not really, but the Logic wins out for Trump's objectives. It just requires a deep resolve of Machiavellianism.

Blogger Looking Glass March 24, 2018 10:41 PM  

@166 Andrew

Remember, DACA people were invading Democratic town halls, not Republican ones. They were screaming at Nancy about it.

Blogger Jack March 24, 2018 10:41 PM  

I never expected Trump to be Mr. Fiscal Discipline. He's not Ron Paul. Frankly, at this point, another trillion dollars of debt makes little difference. If Trump can divert some of those fiat devil dollars to projects that matter, like the Wall, that's better than imposing austerity measures that would mostly affect working people. Without cleaning out the Augean stables of the derp state, fiscal discipline won't much matter. The Empire may well be beyond saving, but if he can take out some bad hombres while it's going down, God bless him.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 24, 2018 10:48 PM  

"Does anyone think protests actually do anything? Or for that matter ever did anything?"

Only if the protesters are carrying pitchforks, torches or shotguns and rifles.

Anything less means that they really aren't serious.

Anonymous Anonymous March 24, 2018 11:04 PM  

Who else merits quoting? Hunter Wallace was bullish on Trump up to and including the election. But he was blackpilled as the initial cabinet appointments came in.

He sums up the current blackpill case pretty pithily, here:

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2018/03/24/maga-president-trumps-omnibus-debacle/

and

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2018/03/24/maga-president-trump-signs-omnibus-bill-which-doubles-h-2b-visas/

As Vox says, "Perhaps they are right. Perhaps they are wrong." I certainly hope that they are wrong -- not because I care about anyone eating crow, but just because the stakes are so high.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 24, 2018 11:46 PM  

Yep. The Chinese market alone will create a shift. Black Panther bombed in China. Shitlibs might think the virtue signaling is worth it in this case, but sooner or later, the chance to grab all those Yuans will lead to some changing their tune.

Blogger kurt9 March 24, 2018 11:54 PM  

I just remembered another reason why I am still with Trump on this. Those of you of a certain age will remember that Reagan log rolled with congressional democrats, who were the majority at the time, passing lots of social spending legislation to get his defense buildup passed. This is why the deficit blew up so badly during the 80's. Trump is doing essentially the same thing. It is the GOP congress that is the problem. Apparently the GOP is so corrupted by their big money interests that they no longer believe in any kind of coherent political philosophy. Trump is having to battle this.

The reason, the fundamental reason, why I'm still with Trump is his relentless pursuit of deregulation. Much more significantly than taxes, excessive government regulation is the single biggest problem in this country. If Trump is willing to play Reagan II with regards to this, he's my man regardless of whatever goes on in Washington DC.

The so-called trade war with China helps too. Unlike most of you, I am very much a free trader. However, when you have the Chinese abusing the shit out of the free trade system (manipulating their currency for trade advantage, stealing intellectual property - which is far more rampant than most of you believe, as well as every possible regulation and government corruption forcing U.S. companies wanting to do business in China to take on local partners on disadvantaged terms; someone seriously needs to hit back at them. If anything, I think Trump's tariffs are a very mild response to the Chinese.

Blogger Frank Brady March 24, 2018 11:55 PM  

Justin Amash is U.S. Representative for Michigan's 3rd congressional district. I don't know if his tweet is accurate, but if it is there are consequences. Please take a look at https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/977725648700690432

Blogger The Gray Man March 25, 2018 12:22 AM  

At Frank Brady... Justin Amash is a fake American.

Blogger Dave March 25, 2018 12:44 AM  

“Bolton can and will clean house,” one former White House official said.

Another source said, “He is going to remove almost all the political [appointees] McMaster brought in.”

A second former White House official offered a blunt assessment of former Obama officials currently detailed or appointed to the NSC: “Everyone who was there during Obama years should start packing their shit.”

Blogger Frank Brady March 25, 2018 12:53 AM  

At The Gray Man March 25, 2018 12:22 AM

"At Frank Brady... Justin Amash is a fake American."

That may very well be. He IS a member of Congress and many of them are fake. The question is whether he is correct on this issue. I don't know. Do you?

Blogger Looking Glass March 25, 2018 12:55 AM  

@176 The Gray Man

And controlled opposition. He might be correct, but he also doesn't cite any laws or controlling authority. There's also nearly a decade of precedence, and then the issue of missions Trillions. So, I'd love Congress to get on its high horse about "enforcing" a budget. That'd be a laugh riot.

Blogger Looking Glass March 25, 2018 1:06 AM  

@177 Dave

Considering there are practically foreign agents sitting within the NSC, firing practically everyone should be the first step.


@146 Hammerli280

One problem Trump has is he has literally no one to put in a lot of positions. The UniParty controls pretty much all policy within D.C., so no one that doesn't play along has still works with any expertise. At least in a bunch of the fields. Trump has turned over a bunch of the policy stuff to Heritage Foundation and their related groups. (This is the reason the Judge side of things is as hard Right as it has been.) There's no related Foreign Policy set available.

Not that it can't be solved, but that's also part of the reason they attacked Flynn the way they did.

Blogger nswhorse March 25, 2018 1:07 AM  

Add Alex Jones to the list of people not panicking and abandoning the Trump Train. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60LgDuCrjHo

Blogger SciVo March 25, 2018 1:35 AM  

Jack wrote:Frankly, at this point, another trillion dollars of debt makes little difference. If Trump can divert some of those fiat devil dollars to projects that matter, like the Wall, that's better than imposing austerity measures that would mostly affect working people.

Yes, I see the choices right now as being between:
1. Deficit spending that oscillates between benefiting the left base and the right base;
2. And deficit spending that oscillates between ratcheting up the benefit to the left base and freezing it.

CLearly, between the two, #1 is actually better in the long run, even if #2 would delay the collapse by a few years, because #1 means more hard resources in the right hands at the crisis.

Blogger Tanjil Bren March 25, 2018 2:32 AM  

Resisting the siren call of the 'surrender now, all is lost' brigade can be extremely difficult. It always has been. And that's entirely by design.
But I entirely agree with Vox.
I think a game of chess is being played here. It's too obvious; too easy.
And the reality is that the people who will see us brought low are none too bright.

Blogger Crew March 25, 2018 3:15 AM  

Trump's "Never Again" caught my attention. Combined with AJ's declaration that Trump was threatened with an engineered 10,000 point stock market crash it looks like Mr.4D Chess had a card played on him that he simply did not see coming, and cards like that can only be played once.

Don't you think that if someone or some group had a way to crash the stock market by 10,000 points they would use it to get rich?

Blogger Looking Glass March 25, 2018 3:16 AM  

@184 Crew

They do. :)

Blogger justthinkin March 25, 2018 8:36 AM  

@160 "Trump didn't have the know-how to understand how desperately he needed to take the reins of power...and Obama's appointees were NOT professional, for the most part."

I'm not buying that. I'm not NEARLY as intelligent or cunning as Trump, and even I knew better.

Blogger Crew March 25, 2018 10:22 AM  

Fears grow that Trump could ignore Congress on spending

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/18/fears-grow-trump-will-ignore-congress-spending-241768

It's not a budget!

Blogger Stilicho March 25, 2018 12:58 PM  

Look, you conservatives who are so concerned about this spending bill still labor under the delusion that you are engaged in a war of ideas with the left. You are not. It is a war for power and, if you are fighting power with ideas, you will lose again. You. Will. Lose. Again. I'm sure the left will let you keep those bow ties, though. They think they're cute on you.

@Audacious E. I get it that you look at the progress so far re: the wall and think it will be more of the same and you could be right, but you could easily be wrong. You're mistake is presuming the trend you see will continue. We'll see in a few months one way or another.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 28, 2018 7:31 PM  

Stefan cried like a bitch over Iranians in the streets removing headscarves & started falling for the "invade Iran" narrative.
He needs to get whatever hormonal imbalance issues he's having seen to.

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