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Thursday, April 19, 2018

Disavowing the blank slate

It's obviously over for the Left's Blank Slate theory of Man. The media is already starting to lay the foundation for denying that anyone on the Left could possibly have believed in such obviously unscientific nonsense, let alone considered it to be infallible scientific fact:
The appointment – followed, eight days later, by the resignation – of Toby Young to the board of the government’s new Office for Students in January was only the latest in a series of controversial interventions in education for the self-styled Toadmeister (Young’s Twitter handle). Having established his media profile on a platform of comments guaranteed to rile the “politically correct” (sexism, homophobia, that sort of thing), he began to reinvent himself as an educationalist through his initiatives on free schools – and he has been raising hackles in that sphere too. Things came to a head late last year when an article that Young wrote for the charity Teach First on intelligence and genetics was withdrawn from the organisation’s website on the grounds that it was “against what we believe is true and against our values and vision”. Young’s article summarised – rather accurately – the current view on how genes affect children’s IQ and academic attainment, and concluded that there is really not much that schools can do at present to alter these seemingly innate differences.

That affair is now coloured by the disclosure that Young had advocated “progressive eugenics” as a way to boost intelligence in a 2015 article in the Australian magazine Quadrant. The flames were fanned by Private Eye’s account of how Young attended what was widely labelled a “secret eugenics conference” at University College London that featured speakers with extremist views.

All this is viewed with dismay by scientists who are researching the role of genes in intelligence and considering the implications for education. They are already labouring under a cloud of suspicion, if not outright contempt, from some educationalists, and interventions by grandstanders such as Young will do nothing to soften the tenor of the debate. Such polarisation and conflict should trouble us all, though. Because, like it or not, genetics is going to enter the educational arena, and we need to have a sober, informed discussion about it.

Researchers are now becoming confident enough to claim that the information available from sequencing a person’s genome – the instructions encoded in our DNA that influence our physical and behavioural traits – can be used to make predictions about their potential to achieve academic success. “The speed of this research has surprised me,” says the psychologist Kathryn Asbury of the University of York, “and I think that it is probable that pretty soon someone – probably a commercial company – will start to try to sell it in some way.” Asbury believes “it is vital that we have regulations in place for the use of genetic information in education and that we prepare legal, social and ethical cases for how it could and should be used.”
This is an interesting behavioral pattern of the Left that is a useful way of tracking what they currently believe, which is the memory-holing of their previous dogma. Most Leftists still strongly believe in Blank Slate theory, but it is apparent that their intellectual school of fish is about to make one of its sudden right turns.

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Blogger FrankNorman April 19, 2018 4:04 AM  

So how are they going to spin this? That white people have "genetic privilege"?

They don't just memory-hole things, they indulge in big piles of doubletalk and duckspeak.

Or maybe they will soon declare it "racist" to expect black children to learn the skills that white children are expected to - then demand that white children not be taught properly either, because "equality".

Blogger #6277 Hammer April 19, 2018 4:04 AM  

And the cucks will cry that the left are the real racists.

Blogger The Observer April 19, 2018 4:20 AM  

No doubt suggestions for the office of Handicapper-General will be floated soon to redress these unfortunate and inescapable inequalities.

OpenID markstoval April 19, 2018 4:31 AM  

I do hope Vox is right and the left wing fools are about to become IQ realists.

I am going to a meeting today where we will yet again look at the "data" of our kids taking the Iowa achievement test. We will totally ignore the two grade levels that also took the cognitive abilities part since that is to see what their IQ is. We darn sure don't want to talk about IQ.

What we want to do is blame math teachers and English teachers for the less than great results. Perhaps we will yet again be told that if we can not do the job then they will be forced to fire people and get someone who can. (yes, they can be plain spoken on this subject)

Of course, math and science teachers willing to teach in a Catholic school at the pay scale and resources level we have must number in the thousands. (/snark)

And yet again we will not mention that in our highly diverse school, you could score them ahead of time based on race and come close to the final results. Coincidence no doubt.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 19, 2018 4:36 AM  

"Most Leftists still strongly believe in Blank Slate theory, but it is apparent that their intellectual school of fish is about to make one of its sudden right turns."

Not only that, it's looks like they want to jump straight into the CRISPR.

“The speed of this research has surprised me,” says the psychologist Kathryn Asbury of the University of York, “and I think that it is probable that pretty soon someone – probably a commercial company – will start to try to sell it in some way.”

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 19, 2018 4:44 AM  

I wonder if that company has been, shall we say, Chosen, yet? Ever feel like you're being outflanked?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 19, 2018 4:46 AM  

Your last couple of sentences are reminiscent of the great computer in Vonnegut that determines everyone's fate.
Catholic schools are very bad about haplessly importing their own problems. They insist on giving their token dindus a freed ride, despite their incompatibility.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 19, 2018 5:16 AM  

Attempts to deem some areas of science off-limits has worked in the West, to a considerable effect, but with the Chinese gaining influence (despite their often bad science), that will no longer be viable, even for Western scientists.

Blogger Aeoli April 19, 2018 5:21 AM  

but it is apparent that their intellectual school of fish is about to make one of its sudden right turns.

And woe to anyone who turneth not, for thou art verily Hitler.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 19, 2018 5:44 AM  

DR3 gets it second wind.

Blogger Lovekraft April 19, 2018 6:01 AM  

Meanwhile, over at goolag, three new plaintiffs lay out their case. It's going to be interesting how management, being primarily (dot) Indian, are blatantly racist yet they flew under the radar and established their positions.

They are as conniving as another group, but with a tenth the charm.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/04/18/three-new-plaintiffs-join-james-damores-discrimination-lawsuit-google/

Blogger Brett baker April 19, 2018 6:07 AM  

It's not a free ride; there's a lot of work involved in keeping your football and basketball teams on top!

Blogger Brett baker April 19, 2018 6:08 AM  

It's not a free ride; there's a lot of work involved in keeping your football and basketball teams on top!

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira April 19, 2018 6:17 AM  

Whatever their beliefs are, they will somehow make this about how white people are evil and need to be "diversified".

Blogger tz April 19, 2018 6:18 AM  

Even the leftists didn't really believe in the blank slate theory. If you look, IQ also correlates to family stability, especially the presence of a Father. So all the problems in the Black community is because they aren't being draconian about stopping out-of-wedlock births. But that would contradict another more important pet theory, that men / Fathers are superfluous and women can have it all.
The two are mutually contradictory, so they have chosen the latter.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira April 19, 2018 6:18 AM  

@11

My mafs aren't so good, what is 1/10 of 0?

Blogger Looking Glass April 19, 2018 6:18 AM  

@5 Rocklea Marina

Their desire to implement the Harrison Bergeron system is rising, right along with the deepest desire to be an Ubermensch. They're instinctively Feudal, so they want their Manor Lord privileges.

Other thing is that innate IQ is the one thing you can't improve by any other means, so it's a "hard" stratifier, which Leftists love, as they'll do their "Savior of the Downtrodden" routine as well. The interesting question is the ways this is going to outcrop. I expect some straight up IQ quotas against the high IQ set, by which the Elites will actually use it to prevent any bright but undesirable-class Males from rising up. (They are the actual danger to them.)

On the CRISPR front, it has uses in specific types of treatments (especially in the customized medicine realm), but editing human genes -- in a useful way that doesn't kill you -- is likely always beyond technological ability. There's things like donated mDNA in an embryo that could happen, but that's about the extent. The interaction complexity of genes is beyond the human ability to fully comprehend, which is why all they're going to do is kill a lot of people to accomplish nothing useful.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 19, 2018 6:21 AM  

While the blank slate 'theory" was pure propaganda, it's appeal is enhanced by the rampant Dunning-Kruger on the left, especially among social science and education academics. They only see a tiny sliver on the bell curve, and when you add in the toxic insecurity...

More practically, the blank slate always seemed a violation of the basic mission of an educator, which is to get the most out of the students. Since you can't maximize teaching efficiency without understanding the limitations of the student, it's just more proof that developing potential is just boilerplate. Hardly a revelation, but it is always noteworthy when they betray themselves.

Blogger Not a lefty April 19, 2018 6:24 AM  

Molyneaux keeps harping about the hundreds (millions? billions?) of Chinese scientists working on genetically manufacturing super IQ babies and within 25 years will be producing IQ 200+ children. Crispr indeed... The lefties have to adapt or die. I think vox nailed this one right out of the park. They want to control it and that's why they're trying to get ahead of the game.

Blogger Looking Glass April 19, 2018 6:39 AM  

Not a lefty wrote:Molyneaux keeps harping about the hundreds (millions? billions?) of Chinese scientists working on genetically manufacturing super IQ babies and within 25 years will be producing IQ 200+ children. Crispr indeed... The lefties have to adapt or die. I think vox nailed this one right out of the park. They want to control it and that's why they're trying to get ahead of the game.

I know people are worried about it, but the interaction complexity makes breaking modern, hyper-high bit encryption look like child's play. You can edit one gene, but what about the 20 places it is expressed we don't know about yet? Or the corresponding mitigation gene that handles its effects when it's too strong in some parts of the body?

A genome is *encoded* information, not *raw* information. We've got centuries of work ahead of us before significant parts are properly documented & sorted out, and that's assuming we'll still have microchip production capable of societies by then.

Blogger AdognamedOp April 19, 2018 6:40 AM  

These are the people who think Earths magic dirt makes super intelligent molecules that make double helix structures. Of course they're going to worship that same dirt when things dont turn their way.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 19, 2018 6:50 AM  

It's also hard to push credentialism without the blank slate.

Blogger Sherwood family April 19, 2018 6:53 AM  

Getting past blank-slatism (if one can say it that way) is one of the biggest hurdles to seeing the world as it really is. Until we realize that cognitive capacity is an inborn trait that comes with differing finite limits, we are going to continue to torture ourselves, our societies, and poor benighted individuals to "excel" at tasks who do not have the mental machinery to do so in the name of idolatrous equalitarianism.

Realizing that God made some people smart and some people dumb does not lessen their worth in His eyes anymore than it does to realize that He made some short and some tall.

But insisting, in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, that people and, more importantly, peoples are the same cognitively, because the alternative explanation forces us to grapple with some unpleasant realities is binding ourselves down with silver-laced lies. It is the way of Satan.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 19, 2018 7:05 AM  

"I know people are worried about it, but the interaction complexity makes breaking modern, hyper-high bit encryption look like child's play. You can edit one gene, but what about the 20 places it is expressed we don't know about yet? Or the corresponding mitigation gene that handles its effects when it's too strong in some parts of the body?"

You may be right there, I was thinking that once started, it would be an ongoing process, forever trying to stay ahead of regression to the mean. Regardless, the left will be sold this line, to avoid segregation.

"Yes it's terrible. Nature is so cruel. But we have Science, IFLS, to give us the answer now."

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 19, 2018 7:08 AM  

"You may be right there, I was thinking that once started, it would be an ongoing process, forever trying to stay ahead of regression to the mean. Regardless, the left will be sold this line, to avoid segregation."

And further to that point, it's not the same as editing an annual crop, so problems could really take some time to show up and iron out.

Blogger McChuck April 19, 2018 7:09 AM  

Pure socialism is perfect and beautiful and can only be implemented by the New Soviet Man, who must also be perfect and beautiful.

Blogger Sherwood family April 19, 2018 7:20 AM  

Somehow Homo sovieticus always dies in droves. I wonder if Homo equalitus will be the same?

Blogger Nate April 19, 2018 7:33 AM  

Well it should be pretty easy to memory hole the blank slate thing. After all when they claim no one really ever believed it.. They are kind of correct. People, even provgy types, only pretend to believe it.

Blogger Nate April 19, 2018 7:53 AM  

the fact is no one has ever believed in the blank slate. If you showed the proggiest of progs a neurologist who was married to a radiologist... that prog would joke about how intelligent their kids would be. It would never occur to the prog that they just destroyed their blank slate claim.

But I would tap the brakes on the excitement train. There are a lot of folks on our side who think this is good news. its really not. Remember the Left never bothers to worry about the morality or cost of its tactics. Everything is acceptable and permissible if it is intended to help achieve the goal.

You think those people... embracing the concept of genetic limited achievement... is a good thing? No no no no... That's how you get the worst of the dystopian nightmares.

Blogger SmockMan April 19, 2018 8:00 AM  

Well the globalists were able to beat the concept of homesickness out of people, so it is not surprising they stuck to the blank slate for so long.

Blogger Looking Glass April 19, 2018 8:09 AM  

@28 Nate

We're in for a host of "We've always been at war with Eastasia" think-pieces.


@25 Rocklea Marina

Long study time frame, for certain. Then there is the issue that you'd have to edit a huge chunk of the genome per embryo, which is going to lead to a massive failure rate before the likely damage that would crop up from the editing of the core DNA.

Even if they manage to get over those hurdles, there's the stark reality that there is over 1000 genes expressed in over 98% of cells in the body. There likely 10,000s of interactions we don't even know about yet that would be effected. You'll be in for thousands of failures before you see any positive effect on IQ.

@29 Nate

They're going to use this as the entry point for Universal Basic Income. "I'm stupid, I deserve money!".

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 19, 2018 8:13 AM  

#6277 Hammer wrote:And the cucks will cry that the left are the real racists.

The cucks will cry that ``the left are the real racists'' while pretending they are not. It's that last bit that makes them cucks. We are all racists. It's the human condition.


Nate wrote:You think those people... embracing the concept of genetic limited achievement... is a good thing? No no no no... That's how you get the worst of the dystopian nightmares.

Nate gets it. The closer Satan's minions come to reality, the more harm they will intentionally do.

Blogger basementhomebrewer April 19, 2018 8:14 AM  

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Blogger basementhomebrewer April 19, 2018 8:16 AM  

There are a couple of ways they can go with this and of course they are all bad. I think the happiest route the left chooses to go is to admit genetics influence IQ, but that "white people" are also genetically predisposed to being evil. They are already running that particular message in places.

They will then decide that society needs to be structured such that white people do all the productive work but "POC" councils (because a group of retards is better than just one) get to have veto power over any society affecting decisions made by "white people". Nate has already alluded to the worse options.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 19, 2018 8:17 AM  

Cueing up Gattaca...

Blogger Avalanche April 19, 2018 8:27 AM  

@17 "why all they're going to do is kill a lot of people to accomplish nothing useful."

Playin' to their strengths and experience!

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 19, 2018 8:30 AM  

They are quick to assert I.Q. when it comes to comparing themselves with working class whites. They don't really care about consistency. They can compartmentalize their thoughts and isolate them from one another. They aren't burdened by truth, for some reason. If some fact bothers them, they can tune it out when it challenges their perspective, but then embrace it when it uplifts it.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 19, 2018 8:31 AM  

"Homo equalitus" is great.

Blogger Avalanche April 19, 2018 8:32 AM  

@31 "You'll be in for thousands of failures before you see any positive effect on IQ."

And they will be FINE with that! Cracking eggs for omelets? Cracking embryos for their desired future? No diff.

Blogger dienw April 19, 2018 8:37 AM  

[I]t is apparent that their intellectual school of fish is about to make one of its sudden right turns.

The Left's response will be along these lines:
1. According to the possibilities social/economic status, the leftists will practice more aggressive eugenics among themselves: abortion, mate selection, chemical and genetic enhancements/noo-tropics, and fertility clinics; they already do these; but, soon it will be done more intensely. In other words, the middle- and upper- individual leftist already privately does not believe the Blank State theory.
2. The Left will not publicly teach the new understanding; such things will be learned by the individual outside the classroom at least through high school; this will allow them to keep the minorities at the status quo; therefore, enabling the Left to keep directing minority anger at Whitey: the Oppressor vs Oppressed modus operandi will continue; the White Privilege meme will intensify.

Blogger Avalanche April 19, 2018 8:37 AM  

And, OF COURSE The Stateman does not allow comments, but this bit of the aiuthor's?

"Of course kids with supportive, stimulating families and motivated peers have an advantage, "

uh-yeah! The GENETICS of those "supportive, stimulating families"! Separated twin studies make THAT clear!

But of course: "ANATHEMA! Burn the witch!!"

Blogger Robert Divinity April 19, 2018 8:37 AM  

and concluded that there is really not much that schools can do at present to alter these seemingly innate differences

The Academician/NEA/WhiteHateTextbook Complex won't take that aspect lightly.

Blogger Looking Glass April 19, 2018 8:39 AM  

@39 Avalanche

6-10 year lag time is pretty rough on any experiment. They won't only be murdering children in the womb to run these types of experiments.

I'm surprised they haven't gone the "controlled doses of LSD" route? That actually does "work", even if it sends some people down into schizophrenia.

There's also the issue that if you have at least 500 known vectors, then there are actually a nearly infinite amount of ways you land at an IQ score being the same. Which isn't surprising, as if you can get a bunch of smart guys to describe their thought processes, you'll quickly understand how very different they actually are, along with being optimized around their strongest mental abilities.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 19, 2018 8:43 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@31 "You'll be in for thousands of failures before you see any positive effect on IQ."

And they will be FINE with that! Cracking eggs for omelets? Cracking embryos for their desired future? No diff.


Infant sacrifice is a sacrament of their Satanic religion. That's a feature, not a bug.

Blogger dienw April 19, 2018 8:43 AM  

continued...
Just as Higher Criticism and deconstructionism is not permitted to be directed at the Left's doctrines and writings, so to will they not permit the "genetic privilege" meme to be directed at them.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 19, 2018 8:48 AM  

"And they will be FINE with that! Cracking eggs for omelets? Cracking embryos for their desired future? No diff."

Heh, I was thinking the same thing, Stalin's new apologists.

Blogger dienw April 19, 2018 8:54 AM  

@ Wynn Lloyd
but with the Chinese gaining influence (despite their often bad science), that will no longer be viable

The Left will use the "genetic privilege" meme in order to protect their minority base; the Left will also have to find a way to discredit any arguments that the importation of an IQ deficient replacement population will destroy western civilization.

Blogger James Dixon April 19, 2018 9:04 AM  

> Regardless, the left will be sold this line, to avoid segregation.

The white left will be. The black and latino left, maybe not. Blacks have been pushing for black only events and spaces for some time now, especially at universities. It's a small step from there to full segregation. Remember, they've bought into the idea that they're actually better than us.

Blogger sykes.1 April 19, 2018 9:06 AM  

We are cycling back 100 years to Binet's original use of IQ tests: to identify students who need special attention.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 19, 2018 9:25 AM  

Conservatives will always tailgate the left intellectually.

I told those HBD spergs for years all they had to do was explicitly ask their antagonists if they actually believe the BST, but NO and here they are being outflanked.

If you have any inclination of achieving any goals for anything do not follow conservative intellectuals they street sweep for the left's circus parade.

Blogger pyrrhus April 19, 2018 9:42 AM  

Whether we can predict 'g' from the genome, or not, is kind of irrelevant. It exists, and is a decisive factor in academic and most other kinds of success. We CAN predict it quite accurately by looking at the parents' abilities, but that would be racist or something.....In any event, it will be revealed early on, which is why we had tracks for kids in reading and math back in the old days.

Blogger OneWingedShark April 19, 2018 9:46 AM  

Several days ago VD said something along the lines of "I would rather have 10 honest commenters of average intelligence than 100 lying commenters of above-average intelligence" -- the underlying truth to this statement is because "moral" and "intelligent" are two separate axes.

VD's also said that a several IQ point difference in a national population is absolutely profound on that society's performance, but I wonder if it is nearly as important as the moral character. - Personally, I don't think it is. With moral character a civilization thrives; without it, it withers away... while with a less-intelligent civilization they merely don't achieve as much in the more intellectual aspects.

tz wrote:Even the leftists didn't really believe in the blank slate theory. If you look, IQ also correlates to family stability, especially the presence of a Father.
Hm, interesting; I did not know this, but it supports my intuitive grasp of the situation: intelligence is neither wholly nature nor wholly nurture, but both together... and we can see that with even the humble tomato plant: you may have the best seeds, but if you don't water it then it'll die, contrawise if you have somewhat poor seeds but care for the plants very well you'll get a crop of tomatoes.

Robert Divinity wrote:and concluded that there is really not much that schools can do at present to alter these seemingly innate differences

The Academician/NEA/WhiteHateTextbook Complex won't take that aspect lightly.

They can't; they're essentially frauds whose whole schtick is "more money = better education" (esp. WRT inner-city/'underprivileged') and the presence of innate factors undermines it.

Blogger pyrrhus April 19, 2018 9:54 AM  

I know people are worried about it, but the interaction complexity makes breaking modern, hyper-high bit encryption look like child's play. You can edit one gene, but what about the 20 places it is expressed we don't know about yet? Or the corresponding mitigation gene that handles its effects when it's too strong in some parts of the body?

A genome is *encoded* information, not *raw* information. We've got centuries of work ahead of us before significant parts are properly documented & sorted out, and that's assuming we'll still have microchip production capable of societies by then.

Indeed. DNA is very mysterious. It will capture light in the lab. It appears to be one of the main secrets of the universe.

Blogger VD April 19, 2018 10:24 AM  

Personally, I don't think it is. With moral character a civilization thrives; without it, it withers away... while with a less-intelligent civilization they merely don't achieve as much in the more intellectual aspects.

That's incorrect. The basic technological functionality of a society depends upon the average intelligence level; the average is more important than the high extreme.

For example, our production editor wasted a considerable amount of time in traffic that was completely unnecessary yesterday due to someone on the traffic crew marking the wrong lane as blocked. Lower the average even three points and you have a massive effect on the society.

Blogger Desdichado April 19, 2018 10:26 AM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Hm, interesting; I did not know this, but it supports my intuitive grasp of the situation: intelligence is neither wholly nature nor wholly nurture, but both together... and we can see that with even the humble tomato plant: you may have the best seeds, but if you don't water it then it'll die, contrawise if you have somewhat poor seeds but care for the plants very well you'll get a crop of tomatoes.
No, you're jumping to conclusions. All it supports is that intelligence and personal responsibility are correlated. Given how much our behavior is driven by genetics, and how difficult it is to overcome our natural man, you'd be better off saying that the lower IQ isn't caused by the single parent environment but rather than those who are likely to be absentee fathers pass down a whole host of genetic behavior sets, including lower IQ.

Blogger Cloudswrest April 19, 2018 10:31 AM  

"The media is already starting to lay the foundation for denying that anyone on the Left could possibly have believed in such obviously unscientific nonsense, let alone considered it to be infallible scientific fact:"

That struck me as the "meta-message" in that recently broadcast 60 Minutes favorable puff piece episode on the champion Polo horse cloning operation in Argentina.

Blogger Fenris Wulf April 19, 2018 10:33 AM  

Expect a sudden increase in pro-misegenation rhetoric. IQ is a form of white privilege and therefore whites need to disappear as a distinct racial group.

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 19, 2018 10:40 AM  

"The data both from twin studies and DNA analysis are unambiguous: intelligence is strongly heritable. Typically around 50 per cent of variations in intelligence between individuals can be ascribed to genes, although these gene-induced differences become markedly more apparent as we age. As Ritchie says: like it or not, the debate about whether genes affect intelligence is over."

Cue screeching about eugenics.

"We could never forecast anything for sure. In Plomin’s study, the young person with the second-highest GPS for intelligence achieved results only slightly above average. "

Even if that's not the case, and Vox feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I've heard in Japan they basically look at your test scores and decide whether or not you're worth the hassle of sending to college.

"Toby Young, on the other hand, rejects such notions and favours a sink-or-swim approach that will (he believes) let the most able rise to the top: a philosophy far more suited to the instincts of the right. "

The world needs ditch diggers, too.

"On the contrary, he was pointing to the possibility that de facto eugenics might arrive soon in the form of people using genetic screening of embryos in IVF to select for those with the best intelligence profile. When such technology arrives, said Young, it should be made available freely to poorer people to avoid a widening divide in intelligence between the haves and have-nots. Indeed, he said, it should then be welcomed as a means of raising the intelligence of the whole of society – surely a morally valid goal?"

I'm opposed to designer babies for moral reasons. If we do go down this moral rabbit hole, are we going to continue to import 3rd worlders en masse? Is the UN going to berate us for not sharing this technology enough with the 3rd world?

"The flaws of IQ testing have been wellrehearsed, not least the accusation that it is culturally biased."

Cultural bias. Ha!!

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 19, 2018 10:41 AM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:Your last couple of sentences are reminiscent of the great computer in Vonnegut that determines everyone's fate.

Catholic schools are very bad about haplessly importing their own problems. They insist on giving their token dindus a freed ride, despite their incompatibility.


@7 Yet, my high school was Catholic and some of the minorities in my class were there to get a good education. They weren't even Catholic.

Not a lefty wrote:Molyneaux keeps harping about the hundreds (millions? billions?) of Chinese scientists working on genetically manufacturing super IQ babies and within 25 years will be producing IQ 200+ children. Crispr indeed... The lefties have to adapt or die. I think vox nailed this one right out of the park. They want to control it and that's why they're trying to get ahead of the game.

@19 So....Max Zorin?

Sherwood family wrote:Getting past blank-slatism (if one can say it that way) is one of the biggest hurdles to seeing the world as it really is. Until we realize that cognitive capacity is an inborn trait that comes with differing finite limits, we are going to continue to torture ourselves, our societies, and poor benighted individuals to "excel" at tasks who do not have the mental machinery to do so in the name of idolatrous equalitarianism.

Realizing that God made some people smart and some people dumb does not lessen their worth in His eyes anymore than it does to realize that He made some short and some tall.

But insisting, in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, that people and, more importantly, peoples are the same cognitively, because the alternative explanation forces us to grapple with some unpleasant realities is binding ourselves down with silver-laced lies. It is the way of Satan.


@23 They want their paradise on Earth instead of following His dictates and going to Heaven.

Blogger Nate April 19, 2018 10:43 AM  

"For example, our production editor wasted a considerable amount of time in traffic that was completely unnecessary yesterday due to someone on the traffic crew marking the wrong lane as blocked. Lower the average even three points and you have a massive effect on the society."

exactly. people who don't grasp this... need to think about the results of having a mailman with an IQ of 70. Think of the problems that causes. I know full well the cost... because I have an idiot mail lady... and I literally have to drive to the city to pick up things because carrier pigeons would be both faster and more reliable than the mail service.

Blogger rumpole5 April 19, 2018 10:48 AM  

If we are identifying the genes that lead to IQ level, and there are already medical procedures to correct gene deficiencies that cause disease, then isn't genetic treatment to eliminate unwanted traits - stupidity, unwanted skin color, bad hair, wet ear wax, and so on, just around the corner? We better prepare for a world populated by greed god like fellows!

Blogger The Kurgan April 19, 2018 10:51 AM  

This is Interesting. And horrific, given what we know about the left.
We really need to see the film flame and lemon.

Blogger kurt9 April 19, 2018 10:52 AM  

Jump into the CRISPR...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 19, 2018 10:53 AM  

VD wrote:That's incorrect. The basic technological functionality of a society depends upon the average intelligence level; the average is more important than the high extreme.

Vox, have you read La Griffe du Lion's Smart Fraction Theory? Any thoughts on it?

Blogger Nate April 19, 2018 10:56 AM  

I think about the grocery cashiers in the 80s... that could accurately key in prices...and make exact change while carrying on a conversation with a customer.

Now... you have the literally mindless drones who's brains completely lockup if they have to key something in because the scanner doesn't work. They have to call a manager over to handle it.

somehow... in spite of all the advances... the bar codes and the scanning and all... I dont' think we have actually sped up the process.

Blogger SidVic April 19, 2018 10:56 AM  

@20
I think you are wrong that the complexity of the genome will preclude its manipulation. Things are moving fast. Master regulatory programs are present in the biology. Discerning these and tapping into them allows one to change the phenotype without monkeying with the hundred of genes changes necessary for the phenotype. For instance, HIF- hypoxia inducible factor (transcription factor) becomes elevated by low O2- its influences the expression of hundreds of genes that collectively lead to high altitude acclimatization. so one can elevate HIF one factor to achieve incredibly complex phenotype. I am less knowledgeable about genetic underpinning of IQ but i think they are starting to get handle on developmental programs that control brain size. Currently tech it there to make 100 blastocysts. test them, and select the ones that will produce tall high IQ children (within constraints of donor DNA quality).

Blogger Thanks, J. April 19, 2018 10:58 AM  

The media's already laying the groundwork that anybody on the left or liberals believed such unscientific nonsense... This is how it always goes, They'll never own their bullshit and lies. We should rub their faces in it, forever.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 19, 2018 11:11 AM  

Expect a sudden increase in pro-misegenation rhetoric. IQ is a form of white privilege and therefore whites need to disappear as a distinct racial group.

That project has been well underway for about six decades. The reasons just shift.

Blogger kurt9 April 19, 2018 11:13 AM  

Razib (you all know who he is) says we're entering the exponential part of the learning curve on human genetics: https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/04/11/the-insight-episode-17-stuart-ritchie-intelligence-and-genes/

He asks rhetorically where we will be with this knowledge 2 years from now, implying that the knowledge will be far greater than today.

Blogger allyn71 April 19, 2018 11:15 AM  

Adoption of Christianity and its end to sanguine marriages raised IQ. The importation of non-Christians along with the growing rejection of Christianity by Western People is causing it to decline.

Blogger Jack Amok April 19, 2018 11:45 AM  

people who don't grasp this... need to think about the results of having a mailman with an IQ of 70. Think of the problems that causes.

One of the best illustrations of this was maybe 10 years ago on one of the milblogger sites, a guy explained the futility of building electric generating plants in Afghanistan. He used the ASVAB (army aptitude test, which determines what specialties a soldier has a "aptitude", i.e. intelligence, for) and a rough comparison to IQ to determine the IQ needed to be a technician running a generating plant. I think it was something like 112.

Then he used the average Afghan IQ (85) and normal stddev (~16) to determine how many Afghanis were smart enough to be a tech at one of the new plants we were building them. There were certainly enough to run all the plants, until that is, you realized the same pool of high-IQ folks also had to supply all the doctors, engineers, factory supervisors, nurses, business managers...

Then you realized an 85 IQ people could not produce enough 112 IQ people to run a modern society, even if someone else built it for them in the first place.

Blogger RobertT April 19, 2018 11:47 AM  

Good for them. They've stumbled upon the obvious.

Blogger Jack Amok April 19, 2018 11:53 AM  

The basic technological functionality of a society depends upon the average intelligence level; the average is more important than the high extreme.

The Afghan Electrical Engineer conundrum demonstrates this quite well.

Also, keep in mind the communication problems across large IQ gaps. It's not just a problem for philosophical discussions, it's also a huge problem for day-to-day operation of an enterprise. If you have a 150+ IQ person in charge of a group of even 110-120 IQ folks, even if the 150 guys is a superior communicator and recognizes the IQ gap communication problems, he'll never anticipate all the ways his midwit staff will screw up.

Seriously, it's astonishing the basic cognitive mistakes "dumb" people will make. The old cartoon joke was "you forgot to breathe" but it's almost that bad. It's astonishing what doesn't occur to people

Blogger Nathan Wright April 19, 2018 11:57 AM  

I will believe that when I see it. If they once concede "equality" then they've lost everything, have they not?

Blogger David Power April 19, 2018 12:09 PM  



If they were even slightly concerned with being coherent, this would be a big problem for them. But they are not. And so it won't phase them in the slightest.

It should now be obvious to anyone who's been paying attention, that the doctrine of the contemporary Left is nothing but a perverse jumble of contradictions designed for one purpose and one purpose only.

To understand what that purpose is, you need only observe what happens when two or more of their corrosive dogma come into open conflict.

And the answer is always the same... The lie that takes precedence, is always the one that is likely to bring Western Society to its knees the quickest.

This is why even their sacred cow -Feminism - takes a back seat to mass Islamic immigration.

Blogger Amy April 19, 2018 12:22 PM  

@ Jack Amok, re: Afghani power plants, etc.

If they were intelligent enough to design them in the first place, they wouldn’t need our interference...um, intervention.

Like Africans and wells. You can dig a well for the village, but no one knows how to maintain it, nor did anyone in the village even know such a thing was possible.

So you get Cargo Cult all the way down. Western Civ is like magic, fearful magic, to some. Increasingly it appears to strike fear in the hearts of our own.

This vexes me. I am vexed, because every bleeding heart I know idolizes the clit-chopping tribes of Africa and their waterless plight, or the witch-burners of Papua New Guinea and their struggle to keep to themselves in their jungles, and the fate of chimpanzees, and gorillas, and and and...and they lean on Western Civ to save and up,fit all of these things, while actively condemning the very machine they ride into their fight.

Cogdis much?

Blogger Jack Amok April 19, 2018 12:31 PM  

Like Africans and wells. You can dig a well for the village, but no one knows how to maintain it, nor did anyone in the village even know such a thing was possible.

Oh, yes. The wife of a co-worker is big into digging wells for Ugandans. Went to dinner at their house one night and she regaled us with tales of her last trip over there. She characterized it has "teaching" but FFS, teaching a village not to crap in the same mud puddle they get water from? In it. Not near it, in it.

And yes, everything built by the group she's with is broken by the next year and has to be repaired by westerners.

Actually, now that I think about it, she's his ex-wife.

Blogger VD April 19, 2018 12:36 PM  

I will believe that when I see it. If they once concede "equality" then they've lost everything, have they not?

Why would they ever concede that? Have you not READ the Declaration of Independence? Is that not CONCLUSIVE PROOF?

Blogger Vlad Z. April 19, 2018 12:46 PM  

I think they will demand and get free reparations coffee at Starbucks, forever.

Blogger Amy April 19, 2018 12:50 PM  

@ 77

Several years ago I was watching Bourdain do a show wherein he traveled about a part of Africa (I’ve since stopped watching him). There was a fancy hotel with a pool, abandoned by the whites who were chased out or murdered. The locals moved in, quick. The pool became a source of drinking water, wash water, a dumping ground for trash, a urinal, a latrine, and a bathing ground, almost overnight, and it was ALL OF THOSE THINGS AT ONCE.

But we’re all equal! No amount of White money and White sacrifice can fix this.

Blogger Jack Amok April 19, 2018 12:50 PM  

I think they will demand and get free reparations coffee at Starbucks, forever.

And then complain dat it ain't as good as de coffee White folks be gettin' at Dunkin' Donughts*.

* which would be perfectly stupid because as bad as Starbucks coffee is, DD is even worse.

Blogger Cloudswrest April 19, 2018 12:51 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:

Seriously, it's astonishing the basic cognitive mistakes "dumb" people will make. The old cartoon joke was "you forgot to breathe" but it's almost that bad. It's astonishing what doesn't occur to people


https://youtu.be/t7WNip7cVy0

Blogger Amy April 19, 2018 12:55 PM  

in Japan they basically look at your test scores and decide whether or not you're worth the hassle of sending to college

This was the purpose of the SAT. Now it just indicates how expensive your degree will be.

Blogger ace April 19, 2018 1:17 PM  

The western woman has insulated herself from any concrete aspect of the civilization she is a part of. Or rather, we have insulated her. Then we gave her the right to vote. So she voted to invite the world. When things around her start breaking and getting slower and more terrible, she will vote in a tyrant to 'fix' it all. How can this process be stopped by facts, even if they are obvious and scientifically sound? The modern ones have even forgotten who runs it. They literally think that they do, from their desks. Sure the men she sees working on the streets are a lot browner than they used to be, that's just proof that racism is over.

Blogger justaguy April 19, 2018 1:31 PM  

A few articles and a few scientists periodically break with the mold and tell the evidence of science and trey to show that the Blank Slate is wrong but it never takes. Our society more and more ignores science because lets face it, science is what the deep state funds by grants and nothing else matters. For over one hundred years the blank slate has been preached and is now so thoroughly entrenched into education and society that to question it is to be an extremist who can be ignored. Wonder why public education is getting worse but costing more? There is no forcing feedback for error and lots of positive feedback when the only power that matters is getting people into the voting booth to push for the D. R or K-- which gets more votes?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 19, 2018 1:40 PM  

"Nate gets it. The closer Satan's minions come to reality, the more harm they will intentionally do."

The "best" lie is the one that is almost entirely true.

Blogger tublecane April 19, 2018 1:52 PM  

Reinventing yourself as an educationalist isn't like reinventing yourself as a rocket scientist or even economist. It takes almost literally no effort, because it's barely a real intellectual field, and almost everyone in it is a moron. By the standards of the intellectual class, which as you may have noticed haven't been very high lately.

I usually use the term "educationalist" half-ironically.

Blogger tublecane April 19, 2018 1:59 PM  

@87- Having said that, it occurs to me it's pointless to talk about educationalists in intellectual terms. It's all about credentials with those folks.

Calling yourself an educationalist without running the credential gauntlet is like calling yourself a duke without deciding you're a duke without a title of nobility from the king.

Blogger BriarRabbit April 19, 2018 3:38 PM  

Already done:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/reading-to-children-at-bedtime-abc-questions-value-of-timehonoured-practice/news-story/e4560b5f36eed53efe9f894c5fa44289

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 19, 2018 4:19 PM  

Nate wrote:somehow... in spite of all the advances... the bar codes and the scanning and all... I dont' think we have actually sped up the process.
That wasn't the goal. The goal was to break the store clerk union. If you can hire any didnu off the street to wave boxes past the scanner until she hears a beep, what leverage do the unions have? In 1980, a store clerk for a unionized chain made 3x the minimum wage. Now they make 25% more than minimum.

Blogger DonReynolds April 19, 2018 5:57 PM  

Blank Slate never helped the egalitarian argument for Leftists so repudiating the Blank Slate is not going to create the equality they crave.

People are like buckets. They come in all sizes and shapes, colors, materials, weights. Some have a good sturdy handle, some have a rope handle, and others have the handle built into the bucket itself. Unfortunately, some buckets do not have a good bottom.... some have no bottom at all, while others never spill a drop.

For the Leftist egalitarians to give up the notion that all buckets start out empty anyway, does not make all buckets equal. Some can carry more water than others, while some are not very big, and still others leak too badly to be useful. There are even buckets that are so heavy when they are full, that only a Hercules can move one....without emptying it.

The Blank Slate does not help the Leftists and repudiating it will not help them either.

Blogger tublecane April 19, 2018 6:14 PM  

Speaking of about-faces, with news leaked of Rosensteinbergman informing Trump he's not a target of the Mueller backhoe, the MSM is losing a bit of interest in Muh Russia. I fully expect the Precious Fluids crowd to pretend as if Russiagate never existed once it inevitably fails. Could this be the start of that?

Of course, should we fail long-term and allow the enemy to write the history books, Muh Russia will pop back up as unimpeachable truth. All those who about-face now will never have about-faced at all, officially.

So much of leftist thinking can be summed up by the Molotov-Ribbebtrop episode and its aftermath.

Blogger Daniel April 19, 2018 9:55 PM  

You do not need to tamper. Screening will do.

Blogger Daniel April 19, 2018 9:56 PM  

AND it kind of sustans itself. Super iq screened babies will improve the screening method. Rinse repeat

Blogger Daniel April 19, 2018 10:06 PM  

I think the lowered iq ends up lowering trust also. And you end up having lots of stupid regulations so people won't cheat that are a pain in the ass for eveyone except state employees and lawyers. And of course they will not work as intended. Death spiral at least is what i see here in argentina

Blogger Scott Birch April 19, 2018 10:22 PM  

Hard + time consuming != impossible. The Chinese have made a quick start.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 20, 2018 6:47 PM  

@34

" I think the happiest route the left chooses to go is to admit genetics influence IQ, but that "white people" are also genetically predisposed to being evil. They are already running that particular message in places. "

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to a leftist: So, you're saying I'm predisposed to murder??

BANG!
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

Hmmm. I guess you were right.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 20, 2018 7:07 PM  

@88
"Having said that, it occurs to me it's pointless to talk about educationalists in intellectual terms. It's all about credentials with those folks. "

The Scarecrow carries his diploma from the Wizard, in case anyone points out that he (still) doesn't have a brain.

Those who are smart, don't collect credentials.
Credentials-collectors are sought out most avidly, and prolificly, by those who have no business being given credentials in the first place.

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