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Sunday, April 08, 2018

Hungary votes for survival

Viktor Orban and Fidesz are expected to remain in power today:
After an acrimonious campaign in which Orban projected himself as a savior of Hungary’s Christian culture against Muslim migration into Europe, all opinion polls put his Fidesz party well ahead.

A strong victory could embolden him to put more muscle into a Central European alliance against the European Union’s migration policies. Orban, Hungary’s longest-serving post-communist premier, opposes deeper integration of the bloc.

He has far-right admirers across Europe who like his tough line on migrants, while critics say he has put Hungary on an increasingly authoritarian path.

A landslide win would make Orban feel vindicated in his decision to run a single-issue campaign, arguing migration poses a security threat.
Demonstrating, once more, that the Republican strategy of pandering to immigrants in order to destroy the country a little more slowly is not only destructive, but isn't even electorally sound. Notice that the leading opposition is to his right!
The strongest opposition party is former far-right Jobbik, which has recast its image as a more moderate nationalist force. It has been campaigning on an anti-corruption agenda and urged higher wages to lure back hundreds of thousands of Hungarians who had left Hungary to earn a better living in western Europe.... A poll by Zavech research institute published on Friday showed Fidesz had 46 percent support among decided voters, while Jobbik had 19 percent. The Socialists came in third with 14 percent. 
Now it is time for Huxit. I expect Russia will be willing to guarantee their security if the EU wants to play hardball.

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46 Comments:

Blogger Crew April 08, 2018 11:07 AM  

Meanwhile, there seems to have been another false flag attack in Syria:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-chemical-attack-trump-threatens-bashar-animal-assad-putin-chemical-weapons-strike-2018-04-08/

Blogger Daniel Bendele April 08, 2018 11:09 AM  

I think we're about 4 election cycles from our own Orban. We might skip that step and go full Jobbik if Cernovich's "Blue Wave" materializes in 2018.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2018 11:13 AM  

Daniel Bendele wrote:I think we're about 4 election cycles from our own Orban. We might skip that step and go full Jobbik if Cernovich's "Blue Wave" materializes in 2018.

We need an Inquisition, and burnings at the stake. Whichever side wins, that's where we're going.

Blogger Daniel Bendele April 08, 2018 11:17 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:We need an Inquisition, and burnings at the stake. Whichever side wins, that's where we're going.

I don't think our side will shoot first. It would take hundreds of Breiviks. Things just aren't bad enough for people to take that loss. By the time they are, it'll probably be too late. We might have actually been better off if Hillary won if Trump doesn't really go to war against the Deep State.

Blogger Mister Excitement April 08, 2018 11:27 AM  

I have come to really hate Conservatism.

Saw two Conservatives on Twitter this morning bleating about "ILLEGAL!" immigration.

On Twitter about a week ago, a Con posted a pic of Hillary and Sheriff Israel with a caption that stated something like "they have blood on their hands! They should never again hold public office!"

So the Conservative solution for two people that have childrens' blood on their hands is to bar them from elected office.

Don't get me started with the Conservative insult that the Left is merely "stupid."

Saw that twice on Twitter just today.

Blogger Kat April 08, 2018 11:28 AM  

What makes you think Trump hasn't really gone to war with the deep state?

Blogger Daniel Bendele April 08, 2018 11:33 AM  

Kat wrote:What makes you think Trump hasn't really gone to war with the deep state?

Maybe he has. I'm waiting to see what happens. Feel like most of the "Q" stuff is fantastical LARPing. Trump isn't Alt-Right. He's at best a Cultural Nationalist.

Blogger pyrrhus April 08, 2018 11:43 AM  

Meanwhile, Jack Dorsey et al are touting this essay about how the whole US must turn into California, and wipe out conservatism...https://medium.com/s/state-of-the-future/the-great-lesson-of-california-in-americas-new-civil-war-e52e2861f30

Blogger peter blandings April 08, 2018 12:01 PM  

first, i want to say that i'm banning myself from this comments section of Vox Popoli. this is my last post here. there's been another false flag chemical attack in syria and trump is already saying it is assad who did it, which is like BEYOND stupid. if he pulls another stunt like he did exactly one year ago and fires on syria again, russia will make a major strike against the u.s. (and rightly so) and the mid-term elections will be a moot point. if he refuses to stand up to deep state as he did a year ago, that's how you will know he hasn't gone to war with deep state. and i can tell you with 199% certainty he hasn't. he and his family have been under threat at least since july 2016 so he has to do what he's told. unlike all u.s. politicians, including trump, Putin does not bluff and he is not a bullshitter. he's made it perfectly clear that he's done dicking around with the united states. sayanora mi amigos.

Blogger Shimshon April 08, 2018 12:07 PM  

@9 Settle down Frances.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2018 12:13 PM  

Daniel Bendele wrote:We might have actually been better off if Hillary won if Trump doesn't really go to war against the Deep State.

Daniel Bendele wrote:Trump isn't Alt-Right. He's at best a Cultural Nationalist.

Trump wasn't what we wanted, he was what we could get.

Kat wrote:What makes you think Trump hasn't really gone to war with the deep state?

It's a mighty quiet war. Sure would be nice to see some depth charges going off, and some bubbles and oil slicks rising to the surface.

The Left isn't going to stop short of the killing fields - they never do. Either we go there, or they do.

Blogger DJ | AMDG April 08, 2018 12:14 PM  

This is at least the second if not fifth time you’ve declared you will no longer comment here.

Blogger VD April 08, 2018 12:14 PM  

first, i want to say that i'm banning myself from this comments section of Vox Popoli. this is my last post here. there's been another false flag chemical attack in syria and trump is already saying it is assad who did it, which is like BEYOND stupid. if he pulls another stunt like he did exactly one year ago and fires on syria again, russia will make a major strike against the u.s. (and rightly so) and the mid-term elections will be a moot point.

Trump knows it's a false flag. And Putin knows why Trump is engaged in meaningless sabre-rattling. Relax.

Blogger 357Delta April 08, 2018 12:14 PM  

In light of this post and the Sun Tzu post, and the lack of action by American natives do you think the odds are better of a foreign rule by a powerful minority like the Chinese/Asians or a civil war, break up and regional nation states more or less along ethnic lines?

Blogger Garuna April 08, 2018 12:25 PM  

We might have actually been better off if Hillary won if Trump doesn't really go to war against the Deep State.

Hillary:
-millions of rapefugees imported
-amnesty for millions
-supreme court lost
-whole country goes permanently blue
-war with Syria and Russia (world war 3?)
-gun control
-hate speech laws
-waco siege treatment against right-wingers
-govt powers target right-wingers (eg. Obama w/IRS, FBI w/"insurance policy")
-antifa even worse
-silicon valley activism out of control
-online dissent totally shut down
-tpp signed
-globalism accelerated
-American working class destroyed

Trump has shifted politics much further right than anybody in decades. And he prevented many catastrophes that a President Hillary would have caused. If he successfully renegotiates trade deals (guaranteed), passes his infrastructure bill (guaranteed), denuclearizes North Korea (almost guaranteed), reforms immigration (possible), then he will indisputably be one of America's greatest presidents.

His success will allow more genuine right-wingers to win elections. The best thing for us would be for him to continue to succeed. Immigration reform is a tough battle, as congress may block him. But to suggest that Hillary's perma-blue America would be better for the Right is insane.

There are a lot of ingrates on the Right who simply don't deserve to have any champions at all.

--

As for fighting the Deep State: One man was never going to win the fight alone. There has to be a sustained effort to elect more genuine right-wingers into Congress, as Governors, and into lower offices. Only then can "the swamp" be actually drained. To give up on Trump in one year and say "maybe Hillary should have won" is either short-sighted or just posturing.

Blogger Garuna April 08, 2018 12:35 PM  

there's been another false flag chemical attack in syria and trump is already saying it is assad who did it, which is like BEYOND stupid. if he pulls another stunt like he did exactly one year ago and fires on syria again, russia will make a major strike against the u.s.

"It's a work, brother." --Hulk Hogan

Instead of being a paranoid wreck, blackpillers should watch pro-wrestling. It's not a coincidence that Trump is a WWE Hall Of Famer. Sometimes you have to do a bit of political theater to work the audience. That is all Trump and Putin are doing right now. Just a bit of political theater, like last year, to work the war-mongers. Why are you getting worked with them? Just ignore it. At worst Trump will bomb another empty field. The (((media))) will call it "beautiful" for a few days. And then everyone will move on to the next big news cycles.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2018 12:38 PM  

first, i want to say that i'm banning myself from this comments section of Vox Popoli. this is my last post here. there's been another false flag chemical attack in syria and trump is already saying it is assad who did it, which is like BEYOND stupid. if he pulls another stunt like he did exactly one year ago and fires on syria again, russia will make a major strike against the u.s.

What actually did 59 Tomahawk missiles do? Blew up a few airfields maybe. I suspect the Russians will ignore a repeat or maybe use them for target practice.

Blogger VD April 08, 2018 12:39 PM  

In light of this post and the Sun Tzu post, and the lack of action by American natives do you think the odds are better of a foreign rule by a powerful minority like the Chinese/Asians or a civil war, break up and regional nation states more or less along ethnic lines?

My opinion has not changed in the slightest. System and political collapse in the 2033 timeframe.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2018 12:41 PM  

Garuna wrote:His success will allow more genuine right-wingers to win elections.

Not if the cucks and the GOP have anything to say about it. What's your plan to primary your incumbent?

Garuna wrote:The best thing for us would be for him to continue to succeed.

It would. I suspect his definition of success doesn't take us far enough.

He's done far more than I ever expected, but far less than we need. I think that Trump is willing to carry deck chair feng shui further than anyone else. Is he ready to make substantive changes? For example, I had hoped Tillerson at State was going to be a hatchet man, but nothing at all has changed there.

We need to back Trump whole-heartedly as long as he's moving us in the right direction, and we need to replace him with someone far more extreme, in 2020 if there's no wall, and 2024 otherwise.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2018 12:42 PM  

first, i want to say that i'm banning myself from this comments section of Vox Popoli. this is my last post here.

Can I say "good riddance"?

Blogger Kat April 08, 2018 12:45 PM  

I'm not Tuberman or Al in terms of being able to lay things out for the public, but I think there are some bubbles and oil slicks coming to light. According to Q's hints our planes are falling out of the sky for reasons other than poor maintenance.

Blogger pyrrhus April 08, 2018 12:46 PM  

@14 In light of this post and the Sun Tzu post, and the lack of action by American natives do you think the odds are better of a foreign rule by a powerful minority like the Chinese/Asians or a civil war, break up and regional nation states more or less along ethnic lines?

The rise of Asian influence may actually mitigate against civil war, which would endanger their investment, and be very bad for business.The Chinese are well aware of how catastrophic civil war usually is..IMO, this factor has not been integrated into current thinking by anyone except VD..

Blogger Lazarus April 08, 2018 12:56 PM  

@9

POTUS NEVER telegraphs his moves.
Think logically.
Why did POTUS announce his intention to pull out of Syria?
Moves and countermoves.
These people are STUPID (& SICK).

Blogger Lazarus April 08, 2018 1:00 PM  

Notice that the leading opposition is to his right!

This is the only pattern that could possibly save America.

So 2033 it is, then.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2018 1:20 PM  

Hungary choose Freedom!

I'd like to suggest new definition of Free Society (or Free Country, Free World):
Society is Free if it has an ability, power and will to resist Muslim invasion.
So we have now in the Free World: USA (under President Trump), Poland, Hungary, India… and maybe (partly) China (such a paradox).
Western Europe now is completely out of Free World (except maybe Austria and Italy).

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 08, 2018 1:25 PM  

My WAG, Trump will agree and amplify with these hysterical ninnies, talk big, yuge war over this, this will be interpreted as somehow blowing back on our "precious" (Israel) and the whole matter will be dropped, because Trump knows how to deal with hysterical women and jews.

Blogger Chase April 08, 2018 1:27 PM  

As always, Trump says a lot of shit. He has to, or else he’s playing poker with his cards face up. I’m not happy with his response on Twitter, but if at this point you aren’t even willing to wait three or four days until throwing your hands up in despair, I’d suggest it is you who is BEYOND stupid.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2018 1:34 PM  

Take the oil, sue OPEC, and drill domestically--if we do these three big things, we'll be on the right track to rebuild American strength, wealth, jobs and opportunity. Will it be tough? Sure. But that's what makes us Americans: we do hard things, and we do them well... if we have the right leadership.

Trump wrote that in 2011 or earlier for 'Time to Get Tough'.

It would be worth reading it if you really want to know what Trump thinks.

Blogger Akulkis April 08, 2018 1:39 PM  

Sue OPEC???

Blogger Crew April 08, 2018 2:05 PM  

@29: Haven't you heard of the "No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act" (NOPEC)(S.394)?

It was never passed under Obama but needs to be brought up again in Congress.

Read what Trump has written. He is and will be an awesome president!

Page 21 of Time to Get Tough!

Blogger szopen April 08, 2018 2:07 PM  

Good luck to Orban and our Magyar brethren!


IMO, the main problem with Huxit - or PolExit, Czexit etc - on it's own is that (1) nowadays the economies of CEE are quite dependant on Germany (2) economies export a lot to UE. The exit might be eventually inevitable, but it could be really painful (because UE could make it so, and probably would make it so even if it would be irrational) and may temporarily impact economy similarly as breakup of the system in 1990s. That means not many politicians might be willing to pursue it.

Saying that, the VisExit (exit of Visegrad group as a whole) plus, maybe, Croatia/Slovenia - and then negotiating terms of exit solidarly - could be slightly less painful and definetely more marketable.

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 08, 2018 2:19 PM  

"while critics say he has put Hungary on an increasingly authoritarian path"

Critics expressed no opinion on the electorate's view that a country on a more authoritarian path is better than no country at all.

Blogger Garuna April 08, 2018 2:36 PM  

Not if the cucks and the GOP have anything to say about it. What's your plan to primary your incumbent?

I don't have an incumbent to primary. I left America because I was disgusted by it. I'm rich so I can live like a king in the third world. "you left, you're a coward" yeah ok. I'm not gonna live an unhappy life for a lost cause.

But recently, I've been considering moving back. Because of Trump, America may not be a lost cause anymore.

I've always thought America would be partitioned. The status quo is predestined to fail. But I don't think Americans will ever have the gall to purge 100 million+ people. So, partition in the coming decades.

Before, I thought real America would just get shredded and buried in the process. But now Trump has created something that will evolve into a proper nationalist movement. As Trump succeeds, this nationalist movement will grow. And when America is partitioned, the nationalists will create a new nation state. I believe this new American nationalist state will be successful. It will be worth living in. And it is worth fighting for.

My approach stems from this line of thinking. This is why I am thankful for Trump. He turned a grim future into a possible better one. So the more he succeeds the better. Short-term, I want to prevent the stuff progressives would do. Long-term, I want the movement to grow and have maximum influence&power when the partition happens.

Blogger RobertT April 08, 2018 3:28 PM  

The Republicans are apparently getting on board with their midterm election platform ... "If you don't elect Republicans, Democrats will take control of Congress and impeach Trump."

That'll work if they don't wrap it in their favorite irrelevant issue.

Blogger Brick Hardslab April 08, 2018 4:34 PM  

What does system and political collapse look like for America? "Wolf and Iron", "Mad Max"? Something more normal?

Blogger Demonic Professor El April 08, 2018 4:47 PM  

Trump has given us a fighting chance and reprieve from the legislative onslaught. The United States may be preserved regionally, but not in its current state. It buys us time to rebuild local and regional institutions while the Left loses its financial base. I agree with Vox on this completely.

The question is - how would it split regionally?

As per Europe - this is also why I've felt the Europe's position was stronger than the US's. The US has a lot of institutional, personal, and internal rot. Europe's main problems stem from dependence on the US militarily and the EU (legal and monetary).

I used to say, with some hyperbole, that 90% of Europe's problems would disappear if the EU were disbanded.

Also look at the US states. The closest governors we have to Europe's right wing are Greg Abbott and Rick Snyder, who refused point blank to Obama and Hillary to accept refugees and were calling for a convention of the states. Europe has - Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Austria, Italy (it seems), Netherlands, and now even Macron is showing some backbone.

Even dhimmi nations like the UK and Germany have Identitaire movements that have support systems. Outside of the UK and the Nordics, self-defence is still legal and firearms available to the population. The US seems headed on the Anglophone path of confiscation and "duty to retreat."

The US has a sliver of hope, but my bets are still on Europe.

Blogger seeingsights April 08, 2018 4:57 PM  

At the present time, a vote in Hungary or the other Visgrad countries to leave to EU would lose.

But political realities can change drastically in ten years. Compare, for example, the world politics of 1980 to 1990, or 1941 to 1951.

Today, European youth are one of the most Eurosceptic groups. A Europe-wide economic downturn--which I expect to happen in 2.5 years--would increase tensions between the EU and member states. Another big migrant wave--perhaps unleashed by Turkey--would cause a backlash against globalist politicians.

Blogger The Chortling April 08, 2018 5:49 PM  

Sounds like an opening scene in Hungary Games...

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2018 5:53 PM  

I thought after the fall of the old Soviet Union that Russia and the USA would be a natural allies. Well that did not work out so well.

The US and the West in general have been yelling "The Russians Are Coming" for decades. The anti-Russian propaganda is shameful.

But why all the anti-Russian agitprop? I think it is because the Russians are very White, very Traditional, and very Christian. The communism era hardened them and taught them many lessons.

There is literately no place in the world where the "elites" want white people to live in peace. So war is coming no matter what we think of it.

In the US, it would be best for all if the nation split apart peacefully and each tribe formed a real nation. Not just a nation-state (which will be necessary) but a real nation.

I hope the generations that follow will find a way to live with their own kind. That is the path towards peace. (if peace is even possible)

I have hope, but we are running out of time.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 08, 2018 5:59 PM  

No way in Heaven or on Earth will any former Warsaw Pact country rely on the Russians for security. The scars from the Soviet occupation run deep.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2018 6:53 PM  

It was a Trumpslide, it seems:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-08/latest-humiliation-brussles-viktor-orban-wins-hungary-elections-landslide-victory

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2018 7:05 PM  

VD wrote:My opinion has not changed in the slightest. System and political collapse in the 2033 timeframe.

Vox, I remembered that was based on average lifespan of something-or-other. I went looking and found this:

VD wrote:Anyhow, I consider Bretton Woods to be the creation of a new currency. Currencies usually have maximum lifespans of 70 years. But more importantly, it took 42 years for the European Coal and Steel Community to transform into the European Union. NAFTA was signed in 1992.

I have been seeing signs of impending ruin since the '80s, and here we still are. This is no longer the country I grew up in, and it keeps slowly slipping downhill with no bottom in sight. I keep saying it cannot go on like this, and it keeps on going on like this.

Do you have something more than averages to indicate that there will be some sort of phase change in 15 years or so?

Blogger Not a lefty April 08, 2018 8:37 PM  

Jobbik is everything Vox has ever said about the fake right: not Christian, economically retarded (socialists), Nazi larping dumb asses, possibly gay, everything. Going "full Jobbik" is going full retard.

I saw them at a Hungarian festival a couple of years ago. They have nice shirts, so at least they have that.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2018 9:32 PM  

@43: Would you care to offer some evidence for your claims?

This article suggests you are wrong, but I am willing to listen:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Jobbik

Blogger Dirk Manly April 09, 2018 2:00 AM  

@39

"I thought after the fall of the old Soviet Union that Russia and the USA would be a natural allies. "

Neo-connery aside, we are, and always have been allies of non-Soviet Russia. The father of the Russian Navy is no less than John Paul Jones!

The only reason you see all the public exclamations of hostility to Russia is because the (((Press))) and (((bankers))) abhor the fact that Russia overthrew the (((Supreme Soviet))) and the (((Central Politburo)))... and (((they))) are determined to make life as difficult for Russia as possible.

This situation will eventually resolve itself to the old US/Russian alliance. (((They))) are antagonistic towards Russia in the same way that (((The USSR))) was antagonistic to Americans.

Blogger great_o'rety April 09, 2018 8:06 PM  

markstoval wrote:I think it is because the Russians are very White, very Traditional, and very Christian.

I think you VASTLY overestimate Russians on ALL THREE of those characteristics.

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