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Wednesday, April 11, 2018

I hope he's bluffing

Or this is some sort of sleight of hand meant to occupy the Deep State. The God-Emperor is already fighting one war, what possible benefit can come of discovering that the USA is no longer the global monopower it has been for the last 25 years? This posturing would appear to border on sheer lunacy.
Trump tweeted: "Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!”

"You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!"

The US President's tweet esclates tensions to a new level amid reports of an imminent strike by US forces on the Syrian regime.

Russia are allies with dictator Bashar al-Assad and are expected to defend him should the US attack – with US accusing Putin of having "blood on his hands".
The Russians don't appear particularly frightened or impressed by the increased sabre-rattling:
US missiles fired at Syria will be shot down, and launch sites targeted, a Russian ambassador warned today.

The measures threatened by Alexander Zasypkin, Russia's ambassador to Lebanon, could trigger a major escalation in the Syrian conflict.

In comments broadcast on Tuesday evening, said he was referring to a statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Russian armed forces chief of staff.

The Russian military said on March 13 that it would respond to any U.S. strike on Syria, targeting any missiles and launchers involved in such an attack. Russia is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's most powerful ally.
If the Saker and other Russian observers are to be believed, Russia has been preparing for this conflict for some time now. They have concluded that the USA is either crazy or duplicitous, and in either case, can no longer be trusted to abide by any agreement. The US, on the other hand, appears to believe it can simply continue to throw its weight around and treat the Russians as cavalierly as it has treated the Libyans, the Syrians, the Iraqis, and the Afghans.

The worrisome thing is that the Russians are more prepared for this potential war than they were for WWII and have the technological edge in a number of areas. Their limited resources have forced them to focus on efficiency and better technology. And if you know your military history, most powerful aggressors meet with defeat when they have an exaggerated confidence in their own abilities and an unjustified contempt for the limits of their enemies.

Sound relevant?

As for whether this war could possibly take place on such flimsy premises, remember that more than a few of the USA's past wars have been based on false flags like the USS Maine and the Gulf of Tonkin incident. This is no different. Meanwhile, this report is little more than a melange of tragedy and farce:
Syria MISSILE STRIKE 'within hours': RAF on ALERT for possible launch. BRITISH and French forces could launch an imminent missile strike on Syria within a matter of hours, aviation monitors have revealed.
The RAF and the Armée de l'Air have less than 500 active combat aircraft between them. Anyhow, as will all things related to the God-Emperor, I advise waiting and watching before reaching any conclusions.

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193 Comments:

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 8:06 AM  

The rebels gassed themselves... or the CIA gassed them. but honestly that doesn't even matter. Even if the US had a thousand great reasons to go to war in Syria... we:

A) can't afford it
B) have a military that is bad need of rehabilitation.

We simply cannot do this.

Blogger Unknown April 11, 2018 8:10 AM  

The God Emperor has never been one to telegraph a specific intent in regard to military conflict. He just does it and maybe explain the how (last year with Syria) or not (the total destruction of Isis). Something else is definitely going on here.

Blogger Mike Wallens April 11, 2018 8:11 AM  

Of all the wacky things PDT has Tweeted, the "Gas Killing Animal" line actually made me cringe. As said, let's hope this is a strategic posturing that is intended to bring people to the negotiations table. Heck, I would even prefer it to be a "wag the dog" thing happening as opposed to believing that Trump is really dumb enough to fall for the gas attack story.

Blogger seeingsights April 11, 2018 8:17 AM  

Here is a conspiracy theory I'm entertaining: recent events, such as the nerve agent attack on Skirpal to the chemical attack in Syria and the sonic attacks in Cuba were done by a third party that seeks conflict between Russia and the western countries.
This third party might be government agents; it might even be a someone like a James Bond villain. The motives of such a third party is not hard to figure out.

Blogger Robert Browning April 11, 2018 8:21 AM  

Attacking Syria is impeachable.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 11, 2018 8:21 AM  

Hopefully he deescalates before actual shots start.

Blogger ChaosNavigator April 11, 2018 8:22 AM  

Or is that the actual plan – to cover up all evidence of this fabricated attack with smart missile strikes, so that international inspectors had no evidence to look for?” Zakharova asked.
https://www.rt.com/news/423807-moscow-trump-syria-missiles/

A 'just' war for sure....

Blogger PCA April 11, 2018 8:25 AM  

The ZIO-USA is the stupidest empire the world has ever seen--never mind the evil bit.

And its population the ultimate cattle people for the Tribe. As Putin says, Americans are zombies at this point.

Blogger lannes April 11, 2018 8:26 AM  

Colin Powell assured us that Saddam did indeed have weapons of mass destruction. "Duplicitous" is too kind a word for him.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 11, 2018 8:27 AM  



The Jewish lobby's middle east policy for the US is a direct cause of the migrant crisis in Europe.

"Regime Change" destabilizes the region, Jewish run NGOs arrange for millions of displaced people to flow into Europe.

These things are intimately linked. #NoWarInSyria

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaWaoaPWkAAoeTz.jpg

Blogger Tino April 11, 2018 8:28 AM  

Lateral Communication from the British House of Lords on this Syria Insanity:

john Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 1:40:00 AM MDT

Blogger ChaosNavigator April 11, 2018 8:30 AM  

Based on the documentation of the 1) Trump Dossier, incriminating ziocon connections and biography so far + 2) the actions of Trump so far (know the tree by its fruits/actions) it is clear to me, that it is the continuation of Bush and Obama, mostly Foreign Policy and actions especially, different script but same overall direction; NWO.


It's a point of contention among the truth movements, and a divisive issue - many are disagreeing, i,e. the pro-Trumpists (who believe he is waging war against the Deep State) VS the anti-Trumpists (who think that it's a spectacle of Good Cop/Bad Cop) and the sheeple who are lost in space having pro et con discussions from completely different premises.


But we know it's not Assad right from the get-go, and still isn't. The pro-Trumpists will immediately resort to increasingly bizarre Comical Ali interpretations and false alibi as Trump's actions become increasingly bellicose in the extreme, not only his words.

'Trump waging warfare on the Deep State by making USA look bad in the eyes of the world, etc.' A very common (but bizarre) argument put forth by Q-anons, Trumpists, the Pro-trump alt-righters, but actually this narrative is serving as a false alibi.

NB! Whether Trump is a Deep State asset or a Deep State victim, the distinction in terms of action and consequence is academic, cause the deroute is continuing in favor of the ZioCons and Deep State no matter what (except the latter narrative provides retarded 'hope' IF it's false - which I think it is - it provides a useful idiot false alibi for the hostage taker, not to mention the effect of Divide & Conquer in the anti-war/dissident/truth-movements internally, a state of paralysis and division)

I think the obvious last moment of the "Emperor" has no clothes is starting to show...even for Comical Alis....

Blogger Unknown April 11, 2018 8:32 AM  

It's been fun guys.

Blogger Sherwood family April 11, 2018 8:36 AM  

Let it be some kind of 4D underwater chess. If this is for real we are in serious trouble as we will have been goaded, by someone, into a hopelessly useless and catastrophic conflict.

Blogger Harambe April 11, 2018 8:37 AM  

A South African prophet who lived a century ago foresaw Europeans fleeing to South Africa following a war with Russia and "the Indians" (which we take to mean any brown person with straight hair). Now, wouldn't that be an interesting turn. Anyway, we've got a spare room for the first two folks to show up. White Christian men with families to the front, please.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 11, 2018 8:37 AM  

The latest tweet sending futures up.

I would disagree with #12 it is the concept of the American Empire it's stupid notion of exceptionalism and all that that deserves Trump's theatre.

Conservatives are stuck thinking like its a Tom Clancy movie and the Liberals have the mindset of the scorned woman who will burn it all down.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville April 11, 2018 8:37 AM  

Trump has a history of using feints and outrageous distractions while not telegraphing his true direction. So I'm not going to get too worked up over Syria. I'm waiting to see what comes of the IG report expected to start coming out this month.

Blogger Long Live The West April 11, 2018 8:39 AM  

seeingsights wrote:Here is a conspiracy theory I'm entertaining: recent events, such as the nerve agent attack on Skirpal to the chemical attack in Syria and the sonic attacks in Cuba were done by a third party that seeks conflict between Russia and the western countries.

This third party might be government agents; it might even be a someone like a James Bond villain. The motives of such a third party is not hard to figure out.



They're called the Deep State. Globalists. One World Wannabes. Take your pick.

It isn't conspiracy anymore.

Blogger Tino April 11, 2018 8:39 AM  

@12 The Trump Dossier is absolute fantasy and fabrication. Proven multiple times. It is not evidence of anything.

The high probability hypothesis is that the President is being deceived by a fabricated context by duplicitous advisers with Deep State loyalty. Trump sits in a bubble created by those around him. The United States has an NWO agenda and does not understand that the Balance of Power has shifted in favor of the defender. Nothing has strategically changed from when Obama had to turn tail. We know Obama was told by the Russians GO FOR IT! and thanks to the Joint Chiefs he was reigned in. The situation is intrinsically dangerous and can escalate. If it does, it will go nuclear. Assuming cooler heads prevail, this is our version of the Cuban missile crisis and we are on the losing side.

Blogger JACIII April 11, 2018 8:40 AM  

It's simply none of our damned business. There is absolutely zero in Syria of national interest. Let the EU and britain break themselves on the Russian resolve.

Blogger The Social Pathologist April 11, 2018 8:42 AM  

The God Emperor has embraced his enemies and ditched his friends.

Blogger Harambe April 11, 2018 8:43 AM  

Since the EU and Great Britain thinks America's guns and liberties are icky, let them take care of the problem themselves. NO ONE NEEDS A HIGH CAPACITY MILITARY FOR PEACEKEEPING

Blogger Johnny April 11, 2018 8:44 AM  

Estimates of the number of people killed in Syria run up to a little less than a half million. The gas attack killed less than fifty. Ratio wise, that is 500,000 compared with 50. Other than the propaganda value, makes no difference who did the attack and surely all the major players know that.

If the Russians want to play brinkmanship, given our presumption, they will have to kill Americans. Allowing that they can do it, and I think it likely, one possible escalation would be to sink a ship. So, do we really risk a nuclear exchange over our mutual meddling in a turf war between Islamic factions? A war where we have little at stake. Crazy.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville April 11, 2018 8:44 AM  

The Hill.com just announced Paul Ryan's retirement. Q has been saying for months to watch the retirements, and Ryan had been rumored to be leaving the speaker position. To paraphrase Nick Cole's "Galaxy's Edge", US politics is becoming a real dumpster fire.

Blogger exfarmkid April 11, 2018 8:46 AM  

"I hope he's bluffing"

You and me both. We have no strategic interest in Syria.

Blogger tz April 11, 2018 8:46 AM  

There's the Golan Heights that Israel annexed from Syria. What if Russia retaliates to our client state (or are we their client state?).
We are still in two quagmires far nearer Russia than here and two can play the proxy-client game.
Maybe as long as innocent women and children and hospitals are taken out with drones and bombs, it is okay, but gas is a problem? Who has blood on whose hands?
We are far more vulunerable because of are long supply chains and technology. One EMP could ruin our whole day - for months (what are the NK satellites just the right size doing?). Putin could say the Norks did it!.

Then there's Europe, who isn't likely to step in to defend Israel, and will condemn Russia until this winter since their green energy can't keep them warm.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 8:46 AM  

"The RAF and the Armée de l'Air have less than 500 active combat aircraft between them."

I am rooting for the Russians.

Blogger Rick April 11, 2018 8:48 AM  

TGE did not clarify who “they” are when tweeted “they are coming”.
Could mean DS, could mean missiles (didn’t even say whose missiles).
Anyway, I’m certain that Putin is not taking Trump’s tweets at face value. Putin is not the keystone cops. He knows he has a clever opponent in the clever department, he likely suspects more clever than himself.
The tweet may also be a friendly but important tip-off handed to Putin that “they are coming.”

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 11, 2018 8:49 AM  

pThe God-Emperor is already fighting one war, what possible benefit can come of discovering that the USA is no longer the global monopower it has been for the last 25 years?

Could it be that bloody nose and the revelation that it brings is exactly Trump's intent? That revelation could wind up Americans for action, and might give Trump a freer hand at home and abroad. If we are only risking a symbolic defeat and not a Dunkirk, that might be a reasonable risk.

Could it be that the US assets that Trump is exposing to destruction are Derp State assets? That is probably way too good to be true, but wouldn't it be sweet if Trump could sucker Putin into taking out some of America's internal enemies?

Blogger Some Guy April 11, 2018 8:51 AM  

I'm really hoping this is slight of hand so that he can finish up whatever happens to be boiling under the surface in Washington. It is obvious that the deep state is worried. We announce that we are leaving and suddenly there is a chemical attack to guarantee that we stay? I'm not buying it. I guess we have to hope Q is right and Trump is actually working on a plan to stop this madness.

Blogger dienw April 11, 2018 8:51 AM  

I watched Stefan Molyneux's video last night: he is profoundly distraught.

In fact, he gave two videos.

Blogger Some Guy April 11, 2018 8:52 AM  

"That revelation could wind up Americans for action, and might give Trump a freer hand at home and abroad."

I don't know if we could or couldn't, but he may also want to formally declare war so that he can secure the southern border. I'm pulling that from the sky though, I don't know if that is possible during war time.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 11, 2018 8:53 AM  

War with Syria is a terrible idea

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 11, 2018 8:55 AM  

WAG, in a few hours to move the negotiations (Trump negotiates 24/7/365 ask Melania) Trump pushes the Euro Clown Crew of Britain and France to fore, and being feminine minded with their "let's you and him fight" mindset they blink, and negotiations break out for an international inspection team are sent in and neo-cons and swamp vermin slither away.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 8:56 AM  

"War with Syria is a terrible idea"

War with Russia is a terribler idea.

Blogger Harambe April 11, 2018 8:56 AM  

Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:War with Syria is a terrible idea

WHICH IS WHY WE MUST DO SO IMMEDIATELY

Blogger Tino April 11, 2018 8:57 AM  

Without offering comfort to our Enemies, I DO hope that the Russians give the U.S. a bloody nose. It needs to be done. The Nazi-Trilateralist-Khazarian-Cabal that is ensconced as an alien-symbiote Deep State needs to go. A bloody nose will give Trump everything he needs to clear out ALL the trash... if we survive...

Blogger lazlo azavaar April 11, 2018 8:58 AM  

War IN Syria maybe, not "with".

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 11, 2018 8:58 AM  

Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:War with Syria is a terrible idea

War with a Russian client is a terrible idea.

War with some tinpot dictator like Syria or Grenada would be more like comic relief, if there is no nation building after.

Blogger ChaosNavigator April 11, 2018 8:59 AM  

The Trump Dossier = biography = Mossad connections big time

'the constellation of knowing and unknowing propagandists making up the Trump media complex, which miraculously succeeded in parlaying a deep state auxiliary into the White House by snookering the majority of the United States into believing he was a “political outsider” and “non-politician”. It has cloaked its relatively blatant political motivations and maneuvering in the robe of a dissident hactivist leak conduit and internet privacy advocacy group. As a kind of afterthought it endlessly advertises Tor (making it just as part of the phony internet privacy marketing infrastructure luring people into an NSA-FBI honeypot honeypot as Snowden & friends), but at this point its main calling is sentiment manipulation on behalf of Trump and his underwriters judging by the steady and unwavering drip of leaks damaging to Hillary Clinton.....Snowden, Wikileaks, Assange, Trump – what do they all have in common? They’ve all been undeniably built up by both the controlled fourth estate/mainstream media and alternative media, which, contrary to what many of the phony digital marketers and publicity seekers in the altmedia would have you believe, is highly manipulated by behind the scenes characters like Robert Mercer and completely vulnerable to digital traffic-engineering campaigns which are, unbeknown to most, regularly coordinated by political campaigns, intelligence agencies/assets, digital marketing groups, corporations, PR firms, etc. Anyone with a sense of discernment would notice the contradiction between these kinds of characters’ purported political outsider renegade anti-establishment status and the fact that they’re perpetually broadcast in the media to the public. While it is true that a large part of the reason for this is the fact that the public loves a hero, but the question must be asked – why are these people and groups specifically so favored while others are shut out of public discourse entirely? My answer is that the ones who do somehow make it through the filter are always in some way sanctioned because all of them without exception have covert deep state ties which are always buried by the media itself.
https://akamaitree.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/hidden-agendas-part-two-wikileaks-and-the-trump-propaganda-infrastructure/

Blogger Lazarus April 11, 2018 8:59 AM  

Most recent tweet:

Our relationship with Russia is worse now than it has ever been, and that includes the Cold War. There is no reason for this. Russia needs us to help with their economy, something that would be very easy to do, and we need all nations to work together. Stop the arms race?

If some guy in a basement (me) and Putin know that Skripal was BS and there was no gas attack in Syria, surely the GE would know that.

Maybe the rhetoric is simply a matter of running a flag up the flagpole to see who salutes it.

What did you learn in school today, Achmed?

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:00 AM  

see... this is the problem with baby boomer presidents. if Trump was Gen X he would've seen War Games in his formative years... and he would know that the only way to win Global Thermonuclear War... is not to play.

Blogger YIH April 11, 2018 9:03 AM  

@1 Nate
Assuming the gassing even did happen (which I strongly doubt) Occam's razor applies here. The Mossad. Cui bono? (((Who))) wants desperately to goad the GE into war with Syria, Iran, and stupidest of all for the US, Russia. Who of course a certain Tribe has a long-standing grudge against. What's in the US's best interests? Staying out of this mess, but with the appointment of arch-neoconman John ''the US must go to war with every country not called Mexico'' Bolton this was a fait accompli.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 11, 2018 9:04 AM  

Israel won't say boo nor will it be dragged into any war, they literally have perfected over the last two thousand years the "let's you and him fight" routine. The last war they got dragged into was because they had a weakling as the head of state and he had to prove something so they got a bloody ground fight in Lebanon.

This time if Israel does anything because of provocations from Syria it will be after American air power reduces Syrian AA defenses to parts and pieces. Tip to Arabs if you cannot degrade the Israeli air power facilities and their operations against you don't do anything beyond running your mouth.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:07 AM  

ChaosNavigator

Thank you for that. We'll... take it under advisement.

Blogger cavalier973 April 11, 2018 9:08 AM  

"Gas Killing Animal"?

GKA.

Are there any organizations that would have the acronym GKA?

Probably a lot of nonsense.

In any case, my understanding is that Pres. Trump maneuvered us away from war with North Korea, and that "Iran is next", for whatever that is worth. Wasn't it just last week that he was reported as saying that he was going to withdraw from Syria? Then, like the next day, there was a chemical weapons attack in Syria?

What strategic purpose would there be for us to get involved in Syria? I think the tweet is bluster, or an attempt at disinformation. I have a hard time telling with Pres. Trump, though.

He isn't a tame lion.

Blogger Looking Glass April 11, 2018 9:08 AM  

@42 Nate

It's more likely Trump is running a version of, "Would you like to play a game?".

We're 50 years out, but someone will eventually be in power that grew up playing Portal. That's going to be fun for others.

Blogger Sherman Broder April 11, 2018 9:08 AM  

This is reality TV. Trump's Tweet jumped the shark. US and Russia will perform a small skirmish. The two colluders will pick up the red phones, have a summit and bring the world back from the edge of WWIII. They'll both be hailed as heroes. And the wind will be knocked out of Mueller's sails, at least for a time.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:09 AM  

"Assuming the gassing even did happen (which I strongly doubt) Occam's razor applies here."

The problem with the razor in this case is there are a lot of people who directly benefit...and no one benefits more than the Rebels themselves. And since I already believe they pulled the first gas trick... its very easy for me to believe that they decided to try it again. They knew Trump was talking about pulling out of syria... and they needed him to not do that.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:10 AM  

also... its important to note that when we say "syrian rebels" what we are actually saying is "ISIS".

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 11, 2018 9:10 AM  

John ''the US must go to war with every country not called Mexico'' Bolton this was a fait accompli.

How dare you slander Bolton by calling him a peacenik? He is no doubt perfectly willing to nuke Cancun.

Blogger Salt April 11, 2018 9:11 AM  

Why is Syria any major concern of ours? Trump has repeatedly said he wants to court Russia as an ally, so in this case... let the Wookie win.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:12 AM  

"It's more likely Trump is running a version of, "Would you like to play a game?".

Your faith in Trump is impressive. From my own perspective... I simply note that in my experience Trump doesn't bluff.

Blogger Looking Glass April 11, 2018 9:13 AM  

@49 Nate

The one from 2017 was interesting. The Syrians had used air-based gas attacks, but they didn't use it on the supposed attack that made the news. So, the "Attacks were Real, but the News was Fake". It's a good way to pull a false flag, frankly, they can run out real information at a fake location, for optics purposes.

Blogger Steve April 11, 2018 9:14 AM  

To paraphrase Nick Cole's "Galaxy's Edge", US politics is becoming a real dumpster fire.

One of the many brilliant things about GALAXY'S EDGE - which is the best mil-SF series in years - is how, behind all the Star Warsy trappings, it's grounded in the reality of the unravelling American Empire and the absolute rottenness at its political core.

Goth Sullus did nothing wrong.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:14 AM  

Also... ChaosNavigator's comment is now officially nominated for the Karl Marx Award for Advancement in the Art of the Run On Sentence.

Blogger Johnny April 11, 2018 9:16 AM  

>>Why is Syria any major concern of ours?

Domestic politics would seem to be the major concern.

Blogger Looking Glass April 11, 2018 9:16 AM  

@53 Nate

Trump favors having multiple routes to his longer-term objectives, it's why he can sell people the rope they hang themselves with. See the NFL fight for a good example of it.

But I also came to the conclusion that the entire Syria Situation is lies the entire way down. We're not going to know for years what the hell is going on there.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 11, 2018 9:17 AM  

This time if Israel does anything because of provocations from Syria it will be after American air power reduces Syrian AA defenses to parts and pieces.

Israel bombed Syria over the weekend

Blogger James Dixon April 11, 2018 9:17 AM  

I expect some attack on a couple of Syrian facilities linked in some way to the gas attack (almost certainly falsely, but that's the way the game is played), and then the US to withdrawal from the country. If that's what we get, I'll call it a win.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:17 AM  

also... I'm still trying to figure out why anyone has a problem with syria dropping chlorine gas on ISIS.

I mean I'm fine with it.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 11, 2018 9:19 AM  

Also... ChaosNavigator's comment is now officially nominated for the Karl Marx Award for Advancement in the Art of the Run On Sentence.

Seconded

Blogger Looking Glass April 11, 2018 9:19 AM  

Nate wrote:also... I'm still trying to figure out why anyone has a problem with syria dropping chlorine gas on ISIS.

I mean I'm fine with it.


They should have used that Russian Nerve Agent that's so lethal, both victims lived.

Blogger Daniel Bendele April 11, 2018 9:21 AM  

As a person living in the greater D.C. area, I'm firmly in the anti-war with Russia camp. If gassing by anyone even actually occurred in Douma, I'm not sure why it's any of our business?

Blogger Bobiojimbo April 11, 2018 9:22 AM  

@Lazarus Fantastic clip! Let's get it spread.

Blogger James Dixon April 11, 2018 9:22 AM  

> The problem with the razor in this case is there are a lot of people who directly benefit...and no one benefits more than the Rebels themselves. And since I already believe they pulled the first gas trick... its very easy for me to believe that they decided to try it again.

Agreed.

> also... its important to note that when we say "syrian rebels" what we are actually saying is "ISIS".

Exactly.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 11, 2018 9:22 AM  

The US may not be as equipped as it should be to fight a war with Russia but I doubt Russia could last in a drawn out war with the US.

The US wasn't ready to take on the Nazis initially.

And nothing will make our military go K faster than a war.

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 9:24 AM  

The situation is unusual, in that everyone with any brain cells knows that this was a false flag, that probably didn't even happen, and everyone who isn't a (((neocon))) knows that such an attack will destroy Trump....Even if the purported attack were real, it wouldn't make any difference to Trump's base. The US is supporting ISIS and other terrorists in Syria, and is there illegally, with no interest except Israel...We've had enough. Please, Donald, peace in our time...

Blogger Andrew April 11, 2018 9:26 AM  

Q confirmed a few weeks ago that Trump had already met with Kim, and sealed the deal, by the time the missile brinksmanship broke out on Twitter last fall. About ten days ago when the news was reporting Trump wanted to invite Putin to the White House for talks, an 8 chan Anon posted that he bet Trump and Putin have already talked and come to an agreement. Q more or less confirmed this Anon's speculation by linking his post and adding "Peace through strength."

Blogger seeingsights April 11, 2018 9:27 AM  

Another data point is that Assange's internet is cut off. He has tweeted in two weeks. The globslists put pressure on Ecuador to cut off Assange for Assange is a threat to their power.
Just imagine if Wikileaks came out with intel on the current situation in Syria. Globalists would look bad. It might cause political upheaval.

Blogger seeingsights April 11, 2018 9:28 AM  

Correction: Assange hadn't tweeted in two weeks. Typing on smart phone.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 11, 2018 9:30 AM  

I agree with Nate. After all, maybe the ISIS community pool was getting stagnant and needed some chlorine dropped on it to get it back to sparkling and blue.

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 9:31 AM  

@67 There will be no "drawn out war" against Russia, China, and Iran, 5000 miles from the US, because there is no possibility of putting a lot of troops on the ground, or saving the antiquated US Navy from the kinds of weapons that now exist......And if you think there was civil resistance to Vietnam....

Blogger wisdom wizard April 11, 2018 9:31 AM  

Something BIG is afoot.....Paul Ryan is officially stepping down. This cannot be a coincidence.

Blogger John Best April 11, 2018 9:33 AM  

It is clearly the Russians who are pretending to be strong, when they aren't. The Russians need to get out of Syria and allow the US to support Iran against Turkey, the Russians can't keep using it as leverage to get things in Eastern Europe and less sanctions. The Russians should pull back, and keep supporting Iran against Turkey. Them being is Syria is was waste of their resources and energy. Russia would be best served doing this, getting on the US good side, the Russians can't afford another military defeat, they are weakened as it is.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 11, 2018 9:35 AM  

IF Trump does this, and IF he survives the calamity that ensues, he will shitcan left and right. It might prove too little too late but that's the likely outcome. I believe the whole point of this insanity is to derail the North Korea denuclearization progress.

I agreed with Vox. Let's wait and see how he reacts because his feints have become a trademark.

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 9:35 AM  

"And nothing will make our military go K faster than a war."

As if a military loaded with women, trannies, and muslims can ever be ready for a real fight....Our Navy can't even avoid collisions with slow moving merchant ships.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 11, 2018 9:36 AM  

Then it's weed out time at the Naval station.

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 9:37 AM  

"But I also came to the conclusion that the entire Syria Situation is lies the entire way down. We're not going to know for years what the hell is going on there."

Israel wants to annex Northern Syria, and the US wants a Saudi Qatar gas pipeline, and wants to stop the Russians building their Syria-Turkey pipeline...that seems to be it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 11, 2018 9:38 AM  

“You and me both. We have no strategic interest in Syria”

Yes, but the “we” who have no such interests are not the “we” making the decisions.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:42 AM  

i mean honestly... why wouldn't you fumigate ISIS?

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 11, 2018 9:43 AM  

They’re your allies and proxies?

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:46 AM  


"They’re your allies and proxies?"

which is my point actually. it is just further evidence that there are lots of folks runnin our government who need their heads mounted on pikes.

Blogger L April 11, 2018 9:48 AM  

I think this tweet explains a lot.

Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama. Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No Collusion, so they go crazy!

Blogger VD April 11, 2018 9:50 AM  

It is clearly the Russians who are pretending to be strong, when they aren't.

You're lying. The Russians are not pretending to be strong. The USA is.

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 9:53 AM  

Nate--"The RAF and the Armée de l'Air have less than 500 active combat aircraft between them."

I am rooting for the Russians.

Most of Trump's base is rooting for the Russians...Putin has actually rolled back the globalists in his country, and encouraged traditional Christianity. Ukistan and Le Caliphate are scum....

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:54 AM  

"It is clearly the Russians who are pretending to be strong, when they aren't.

You're lying. The Russians are not pretending to be strong. The USA is."

the US military capability is not as dire as you predict. Nor is the Russian strength as great as Saker suggests.

however... the point remains.. we're in no shape to take this fight right now. The Russians have been poking and prodding and testing us for the last three years... buzzing our carrier groups... buzzing our fighters.

but our biggest problem is a human problem. our man power is shot. our military is exhausted.

Mattis knows this. Therefore Trump knows this.

I'll say something else too... if there is any chance at all Russian can shoot down our missiles... we can't shoot. if that happens... it will be completely devastating to the US as a global power.


Blogger Demonic Professor El April 11, 2018 9:54 AM  

If Trump is half the strategist he seems to be, Syria's not the problem - Turkey and Iran are, and these are moves to the kingpin, which is regime change in Iran and a stifling of Turkey.

Iran's in an uproar and ready to topple the ayatollahs for good.

Putin isn't disloyal, but the Russians like order over anything else.

Ayatollah Iran and Neo-Ottoman Turkey are unpredictable and unstable at their cores. Turkey is also a traditional enemy of Russia, and Erdogan dislikes Russia as well. Unstable, disorderly.

Trump appoints Bolton, who is bullish on Iranian regime change and hates the UN (rightfully so).

If Trump already agreed to leave Syria, that means other things are in the works regarding Iran and Turkey.

Leave it to DState to stage an attack in Assad's own turf to derail the changes to the crappy and unsafe status quo. DState in Israel attacks places to help derail the new order. Israel's real best interest lies with Trump/Putin; DState's does not - they need instability inside/outside Israel to keep pushing for mideast intervention.

Mix this with the new Saudi prince who sees the writing on the wall and is interested in change as well.

At least, I hope Trump/Putin detente is about making waves while the deals are already done.

Blogger YIH April 11, 2018 9:55 AM  

OT: This just in, it's official, Cuck Ryan tosses the terrycloth.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 9:55 AM  

The US Military knows what Russia can and can't do. I believe that. US Politicians may be idiots... but the US Military is not. Mattis is not an idiot.

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 9:57 AM  

"They’re your allies and proxies?"

which is my point actually. it is just further evidence that there are lots of folks runnin our government who need their heads mounted on pikes.


I couldn't agree more...

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 11, 2018 9:58 AM  

62. Josh (the sexiest thing here)

Also... ChaosNavigator's comment is now officially nominated for the Karl Marx Award for Advancement in the Art of the Run On Sentence.

Thirded (?) When monomania reaches the level of performance art.

Blogger Crew April 11, 2018 9:59 AM  

Well, look at it this way. Everyone get to find out just how effective each side will be.

Maybe the Russians are bullshitting about how good their weapons are. I wouldn't bet on it but it would still be good to know either way.

Blogger SouthRon April 11, 2018 9:59 AM  

Paging The Kurgan, pikes to the front please.

Blogger VD April 11, 2018 10:01 AM  

I'll say something else too... if there is any chance at all Russian can shoot down our missiles... we can't shoot. if that happens... it will be completely devastating to the US as a global power.

Precisely. The thing is, Russia knows it is weak and has to be judicious. That's why Putin is not picking fights and is tolerating the Ukrainian nonsense on Russia's border. The USA is strong, but does not recognize its growing limitations.

Blogger Crush Limbraw April 11, 2018 10:02 AM  

Hey Vox, I know you're extremely patient with G-E and you haven't commented on the daily developing events in Syria - but where is your limit?
Or is that a state secret?:)

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 10:05 AM  

"Ayatollah Iran and Neo-Ottoman Turkey are unpredictable and unstable at their cores. Turkey is also a traditional enemy of Russia, and Erdogan dislikes Russia as well. Unstable, disorderly."

No. Putin tipped Erdogan off to the US sponsored attempted coup, and that has changed things. The Turkish military is also the best in the region, but in no way a match for Russia...

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 10:08 AM  

The major problem is that even if Russia can't shoot down our missiles, they can certainly destroy our ships and air bases. And their SA-4 and 5 systems are the best in the world.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2018 10:09 AM  

"Thirded (?) When monomania reaches the level of performance art."

Motion has been made, seconded, and thirded... Nomination is therefore recorded.

Good luck nominee.

Blogger Looking Glass April 11, 2018 10:17 AM  

One interesting angle is that neither side really wants to show off their best toys. While both sides would know what the other has, actual combat capability information is always in short supply.

One could also reasonably claim Trump is A/B testing a proxy war with Russia via Twitter. Though his statement on the weaponry strikes me as they'd actually deploy some of the new kinetic energy launchers. (No one ever really discusses that all of the little hotspots actions get used for munitions testing.)

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 10:20 AM  

To paraphrase Nick Cole's "Galaxy's Edge", US politics is becoming a real dumpster fire.

I'll give it a read...sounds like the return of Keith Laumer's long night,,

Blogger Chase April 11, 2018 10:22 AM  

Oh no, it is absolutely a conspiracy, it’s no longer a theory. These people are constantly maliciously conspiring against all the people in the world. Strange stuff.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 11, 2018 10:24 AM  

How has the Dem media and the GOPe responded to Trump's tweet all but declaring this the Mueller/Rosenstein war?

Put the skeer on em DJT.

Blogger pyrrhus April 11, 2018 10:27 AM  

It appears that Sacramento would be a much better target for US missiles....https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/new-california-bill-would-eliminate-free-speech-require-online-fact-checkers

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 11, 2018 10:27 AM  

Genius comment #44 of mine perhaps overcome by events, just read at zerohedge that the Israelis and Iranians are talking trash, both threatening to fight to the last Syrian.

Blogger John Q Public April 11, 2018 10:28 AM  

The most common catalyst for regime change in history has been losing a big war.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 11, 2018 10:40 AM  

The Guns Of August

Whatever capabilities these uSA and Russia have, look at a map. Each has strengths and weaknesses but distance to theater of operations will play a big part.

The damned mad men in places to make things happen hope that the Messiah's return agrees with their timetable. Their main cheerleader ignores their disagreement with the return bit.

Blogger Centurion Revolt April 11, 2018 10:44 AM  

Take your contempt and pin it on the neocons and nevertrumpers where it belongs.

Blogger Longtime Lurker April 11, 2018 10:44 AM  

Israel just might get the party started early:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Senior-security-officials-If-Iran-acts-against-Israel-well-topple-Assad-549457?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=11-4-2018&utm_content=senior-security-officials-if-iran-acts-against-israel-well-topple-assad-549457

Blogger Eze Garcés April 11, 2018 10:46 AM  

H.Y.D.R.A.???

Blogger MortemTyrannus April 11, 2018 10:48 AM  

This is another distraction like the one going on in Congress right now. POTUS is distracting/bluffing on twitter. This was a trap from the beginning.

1. The Russians have been saying a FF CHEM attack was going to happen.
2. POTUS says we are going to pull out of Syria.
3. Cabal idiots spring POTUS trap and launch Chem attack.
4. POTUS gets tough on Twitter and we send ships in.
5. Wikileaks offers a reward for information regarding the attack.
6. Q said POTUS doesn't telegraph his intentions over twitter.

I might have my timeline out of order here, but wouldn't it be just great if our whitehat intel guys happen to drop evidence of the chem attack to wikileaks. Assange drops the real bomb showing Russia/Assad did nothing and WW3 is averted?

Trust the plan.

Blogger Ceasar April 11, 2018 10:48 AM  

Anything and everything is on the table. POTUS just making it loud and clear.

Blogger Crew April 11, 2018 10:52 AM  

Wait. With all the other distractions going on, people may not have noticed this new executive order President Trump signed:

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/president-trump-signs-executive-order-requiring-work-for-welfare/

Blogger John Best April 11, 2018 10:56 AM  

@95 Indeed.

Blogger Crew April 11, 2018 11:00 AM  

It will also be interesting to see how well a diverse military does in a hot war. How well women cope with damage control on ships for example ...

Blogger LES April 11, 2018 11:01 AM  

I rarely listen to Limbaugh anymore but I'll tune in today to see if he is preparing his listeners for war like he did in the fall of 2002 when Bush was saying war with Iraq was a last resort. Which was a lie.

Blogger Crew April 11, 2018 11:03 AM  

Of course, this could be a world first!

The first war declared on Twitter!

Blogger Dr Caveman April 11, 2018 11:04 AM  

The timing of the gas attack and the raid on Trump's lawyer is interesting. Could this be aa dee state attempt to goad him into a Wag The Dog scenario in Syria?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 11, 2018 11:05 AM  

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-alabama-football-players-pray-with-trump-after-white-house-ceremony/

And then there's this.

Blogger Phelps April 11, 2018 11:17 AM  

Nate wrote:I'll say something else too... if there is any chance at all Russian can shoot down our missiles... we can't shoot. if that happens... it will be completely devastating to the US as a global power.


There's an even bigger danger. They have vowed to shoot down the missiles and target the launchers. Right now, that means the sole, solitary destroyer sitting out in the Med. It's the Gulf of Tonkin crossed with the USS Liberty. Not only is this the very same hull that the Russians have already shut down with EW but it is entirely unsupported by other vessels. It's naval insanity to send it out alone, and that is what we did. Either Trump/Mattis never intend to fire a shot with it, or they intend to sacrifice it when it does.

Trump's tweets are designed to be turned on domestic enemies if the proof comes out that the Clowns did it. How can we be allied with "monsters" like that? We would be "forced" to clean our own house.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 11, 2018 11:24 AM  

He could also be attempting to demonstrate his lack of ties with Russia. We know there are none, but the mass media has pushed it to no end. If they fall for it, they will end up covering his bellicose tweets, which will undermine the entire Russian Collusion narrative. "Look how irrational Trump is! He's trying to start a nuclear war with Russia!" It seems like it would be too transparent a tactic to employ, but "these people are stupid" is still in effect.
He hasn't actually failed us. Not even once, to my knowledge. The closest is the bump stock ban. Rather, he's convinced us he's going to fail us multiple times, and then done something else (like waiting for DACA to expire and blaming it on the Dems).
If it's pollyannaish on our parts to cling to faith in the GE, we will know we are wrong very soon. Until then it's better to be hopeful than to give in to despair.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 11, 2018 11:28 AM  

This is pure speculation on my part. Our lack of insider knowledge makes it impossible to really identify what's going on.

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 11:29 AM  

Demonic Professor El wrote:If Trump is half the strategist he seems to be, Syria's not the problem - Turkey and Iran are, and these are moves to the kingpin, which is regime change in Iran and a stifling of Turkey.

Iran's in an uproar and ready to topple the ayatollahs for good.

Putin isn't disloyal, but the Russians like order over anything else.

Ayatollah Iran and Neo-Ottoman Turkey are unpredictable and unstable at their cores. Turkey is also a traditional enemy of Russia, and Erdogan dislikes Russia as well. Unstable, disorderly.

Trump appoints Bolton, who is bullish on Iranian regime change and hates the UN (rightfully so).

If Trump already agreed to leave Syria, that means other things are in the works regarding Iran and Turkey.

Leave it to DState to stage an attack in Assad's own turf to derail the changes to the crappy and unsafe status quo. DState in Israel attacks places to help derail the new order. Israel's real best interest lies with Trump/Putin; DState's does not - they need instability inside/outside Israel to keep pushing for mideast intervention.

Mix this with the new Saudi prince who sees the writing on the wall and is interested in change as well.

At least, I hope Trump/Putin detente is about making waves while the deals are already done.


Yeah, there is not going to be any war with Russia. PDJT's Tweets are code. No WWIII, sorry people. We knows, many here want that war.

The real problems are Iran and Turkey as you say, DP. SunTzu in progress, PDJT with Rogers still close by. I think I'll stop back and capture all the posts about the coming World War, and copy them to a file to use after the full Truth comes out.

Syria is not the problem, and Trump knows that completely, there are even videos of school kids practicing being gas attacked. "Gas Killing Animal" is code, as it is so awkward.

Oh yeah, Paul Ryan is gone, but likely mentioned.

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 11:48 AM  

Was it just two months ago that WWIII over NK was for sure?! But..but... somehow, it all worked out. Sun Tzu!

Blogger Crew April 11, 2018 11:55 AM  

@120: Not only is this the very same hull that the Russians have already shut down with EW

It's not clear they actually did that. The other explanation I have heard, that the Russians activated the radars on their anti-shipping missile batteries seems like a more credible reason for so many sailors shitting themselves.

Anonymous Anonymous April 11, 2018 11:57 AM  

"see... this is the problem with baby boomer presidents. if Trump was Gen X he would've seen War Games in his formative years... and he would know that the only way to win Global Thermonuclear War... is not to play."

Boomers saw Dr. Strangelove and those of us not morons knew that nuclear war was THE END.

It is the same with all generations. Those of us who can think are outnumbered on a vast scale by those who can not. It is the bell curve.

War with a nuclear super-power like Russia is insane and suicide.

Besides, Russia is White, Traditional, and Christian. We should be allies.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 11, 2018 12:05 PM  

@123

The real problems are:
1) Saudi Arabia and Sunni/Wahabbi Islam
Sunni Islam is missionary and the intellectual
backbone of ISIS and others head chopping
groups.
2) Israel
It is called Moral Hazard. Israel's bitch,
these uSA, they know will bail them out no
matter what Israel does.

Blogger SmokeyJoe April 11, 2018 12:08 PM  

Maybe its a 'Razzel Dazzel'? Something like...ummm....Both sides rattle some sabers. Coupla Tonkin incidents. Start a "war" confined to the region. Each side uses up alot of old munitions shifiting sand around in Syria. Test out a few new weapons. Each side "has to" crank up the draft machine. Everyone drafts their muzzie interlopers, ships them off to fight in the "war."

Peace is declared. All the muzzies are back to where they belong. The munitions factories hiring to replace used munitions. Everyone but the globalists and goat herders happy. So much win!

Damn it, I can dream can't I!?

Blogger kurt9 April 11, 2018 12:12 PM  

The reason why I take the Saker, and the Russians seriously is because of technological innovation and improvements in manufacturing technology, the cost of weapons development has dropped for institutions that do not have a corrupt supply chain. Development of hypersonics has been greatly enabled by computer technology, with design, modeling, and simulation being done on laptop computers and 3-D printing reducing the cost of actually fabricating the devices. Same for laser defense weapons and weaponized drones. This is all part and parcel of how technological innovation is enabling the small to do things that could formerly be done only by the large. This is the reason why it is dangerous to provoke a fight with the Russians, even though Russia is declining economically and demographically. Getting in a fight with Russia will be something we will regret.

Blogger Crew April 11, 2018 12:19 PM  

Besides, Russia is White, Traditional, and Christian. We should be allies.

Getting Christian nations to fight each other is part of the game plan, I believe.

Blogger VD April 11, 2018 12:20 PM  

Hey Vox, I know you're extremely patient with G-E and you haven't commented on the daily developing events in Syria - but where is your limit?

If the Swamp isn't drained and the Wall isn't built. I could not care less about this sort of thing, except that it appears to be a pointless and dangerous distraction.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 11, 2018 12:26 PM  

The danger in Trump shooting from the hip on the Syrian issue and Russia is backing himself into a corner where Trump does an LBJ and rather let soldiers die for nothing than lose face.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2018 12:36 PM  

tuberman wrote:We knows, many here want that war.


Are you high?
I read the whole comment thread, not a single pro-way comment. IIRC Stephen Davenport got banned, so I don't expect any in the future either.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira April 11, 2018 12:56 PM  

Glad I'm not the only one who found the British and French threat hilariously stupid.

If we are lucky, he is just testing some extreme rhetoric in public to give the citizens a chance to voice their opinion to those in power.

Blogger Frank Brady April 11, 2018 12:56 PM  

39. Ominous Cowherd April 11, 2018 8:58 AM

You wrote, "War with some tinpot dictator like Syria or Grenada would be more like comic relief, if there is no nation building after." Oh, you mean like in Iraq or Libya? Very comedic.

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 1:18 PM  

133. Snidely Whiplash


Snidely, not including you, your comments have been great lately. There is a sarcastic meaning, as many jump on the possibility of WWIII with too much enthusiasm, while stating their anti-war BS.

First of all, there will not be a War. This is Kabuki theater on both Russia and USA's part, and that's my point. Anyone jumping on this with enthusiasm is suspect, because NK, a short while ago. What happened?


Are you really thinking this will be War?? Just when I was thinking, that Snidely, he's pretty sharp!

Let's bet, I bet ...No War, how about you?




Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 1:22 PM  

"If we are lucky, he is just testing some extreme rhetoric in public to give the citizens a chance to voice their opinion to those in power."

That and more, some Traitorous Leaker tipped the hat too soon that Trump is not under Criminal investigation, so it's necessary to play some stupid, "I'm Weak" games until right time. SOON...SOON!

Blogger wreckage April 11, 2018 1:28 PM  

$10, no war. Possible desultory long-range bombing followed by ritual cock-measuring followed by no war.

Blogger ChaosNavigator April 11, 2018 1:29 PM  

Karl Marx strawman my ass. Fuck Marx and strawmen. Trump is de facto Derp State puppet in foreign policy and beyond. It will be interesting to see the TAS-drones (Trumpist Apologetic Stockholmsyndrome) break further down to Comical Ali (current phase) and then... complete silence when he is outed as a puppet shill, along with the Q-Anon cult....

Ain't no fucking God-Emperor,...well, maybe the herald clown diversion for the coming Anti-Christ....

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 1:34 PM  

Everyone, and I mean everyone hates the Cabal, as even China has let PDJT do things on their soil, as in ops. Russia and China are not exactly allies, but in this one area, destroying the creepy NWO there is alignment, for now. This Syria conflict is another way for the NWO to attempt to retain power. Not going to happen.

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 1:37 PM  

I think a guy from AIM has shown up, what next??

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2018 1:39 PM  

tuberman wrote:Let's bet, I bet ...No War, how about you?
Of course there will be no intention of having a war with Russia. That would be insane, and Trump is not insane.

What there can be, what there is, still, is a proxy war. It would be very stupid to escalate that. Trump, like everyone, can be stupid. And escalations can get out of hand, apparently without anyone intending them to.

The Russians just said "We are not standing off this time if you send missiles. You've used up your freebies." The Russians also apparently think they have AA that can take out our newer missiles. Russian AA is world-class, so it quite possible that they have.

As Nate pointed out above, we cannot afford to have our best missiles shot down by Russian AA. The effects on power relationships across the Mideast and Eastern Europe would be devastating for American interest.

The Russians also believe that the new Kalibr missile will take out an American ship of the line, and have threatened to retaliate against any ship that launches into Syria. While less likely to be true, this is also possible. And again, the results would be devastating, not only for American interests abroad, but for both sides in our perpetual domestic political dick-measuring contest.

The stakes are too high. I am sure that the Russians would try to take down any missiles we launch, so if there is a launch, it will be old tech, which we can plausibly downplay.

I doubt the Russians will launch against an American Destroyer or CV. The risk of "9/11 II, American Unhinged" is too great. If they did take one out, it would be the end of politics as we know them in this country forever.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2018 1:46 PM  

ChaosNavigator wrote:Trump is de facto Derp State puppet in foreign policy and beyond.

I'M SUPER-WOKE! YOU SHEEPLE THINK YOU ARE WOKE?!?!? YOUA RE NOT WOKE, I AM WOKED. ME ARE SO MUCH SMARTERER THAN ALL YOU ALL SHEEPLES WHO ARE SLEEPING THROUGH THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE TRUNING YOUR BRAINS INTO PEDOPHILE SLEEPER AGENTS!!! TRUMP IS REALLY MUELLER!
EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS RONG!
I THINK YOU'RE ALL BOZOZ ON THIS BUS!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 11, 2018 1:52 PM  

VD wrote:You're lying. The Russians are not pretending to be strong. The USA is.

The Russians don't have to be strong, they just have to be strong enough to accomplish their goals.

We don't know exactly what their goals are, nor how strong they have to be to accomplish them. I don't think we have any reason to believe the Russian military believes their own lies. If they think they can, they probably can.

VD wrote: ... but where is your limit?

If the Swamp isn't drained and the Wall isn't built.


I voted for a Big, Beautiful Wall and Send Them Back. Nuking Syria and de-nuking Rocket Boy are total non-issues, unless they interfere with the wall and repatriations.

Frank Brady wrote:You wrote, "War with some tinpot dictator like Syria or Grenada would be more like comic relief, if there is no nation building after." Oh, you mean like in Iraq or Libya? Very comedic.

No, I meant Grenada or Syria. Grenada was a cakewalk, because we went in and got right back out. Iraq was a cakewalk that became a disaster, because we never left.

Blogger Johnny April 11, 2018 2:00 PM  

The danger we have in Syria is that the Russians may not chose to back down as they did in the Cuban Missile Crisis. The thing is, their hold over Western Europe is that they are the energy supplier. Pipelines through Syria would undermine that strategic interest. Thus they may well see this as existential and not back down. So, do we provoke a nuclear standoff over what, Syria? It would be satire if it wasn't true.

Blogger Chiva April 11, 2018 2:00 PM  

I THINK YOU'RE ALL BOZOZ ON THIS BUS!

The bus is fine.

Blogger DonReynolds April 11, 2018 2:04 PM  

It is worse than you say, Vox.
During the air campaign in Libya, the US withdrew an aircraft carrier, which was to be replaced by British and French air forces. They failed in their mission. They could not scrape together enough aircraft to replace one American aircraft carrier. Even worse, they did not have the organization necessary to support and conduct the same operations in Libya. No doubt, Uncle Sam was paying their bills and they still could not do it. Lack of experience. Supply issues. Ineffective command and control. Lack of coordination. All the usual problems and I do not wonder if these issues have been corrected since the Libya air campaign.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2018 2:04 PM  

Chiva wrote:The bus is fine.
THE BUS DRIVER IS A JEW-STATE BANKSTER MOSSAD AGENT! THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???? CAN'T YOU SEE THE NOZE??? THE NOSE KNOWS AND GROWS AND GROWS!

Blogger Longtime Lurker April 11, 2018 2:08 PM  

@145: Putin's domestic situation is more tenuous than many realize. He simply cannot afford to lose face in Syria. Whether Washington realizes it or not, Putin's back is against the wall.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 11, 2018 2:17 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:... American interests abroad ...

Is there such a thing? The US empire has interests abroad, and perhaps some individual Americans have interests abroad, but do Americans?

I'm thinking that we could bring all the GIs home, close all our foreign bases, and Americans would never miss them.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:I doubt the Russians will launch against an American Destroyer or CV. The risk of "9/11 II, American Unhinged" is too great. If they did take one out, it would be the end of politics as we know them in this country forever.

Lincoln jailed the state legislature of Maryland, didn't he? He suspended habeus corpus, issued greenbacks, did all kinds of unconstitutional things.

If we did get 9/11 part 2, Trump would become a very popular wartime president. We might see the California legislature tossed in jail, Derp State operatives tossed in jail, aliens interned or deported ... politics would never be the same, but they might be better. Maybe we need a Gulf of Tonkin part 2.

Blogger justaguy April 11, 2018 2:30 PM  

As a bystander, it is very hard to have a picture of the relative power each side has in the region. While the US has a track record of using our near best capabilities against any third tier military successfully, we haven't had a first tier versus first tier since arab Israeli tank air land battles. We learned a tremendous from those battles over the Suez. Military forces operation with many unknowns, the largest being the capabilities of the adversaries. Have the Russians placed their best anti-air assets in the region, are they manned with decently trained personnel, how do they stack up to US air forces? Most are relative unknowns. We don't know how well our best work against their best-- and it is great if we never find out.

But we have to be more successful than the Russians: losing a decent percentage of missiles and/or pilots would be a tremendous setback for the US. Having hundreds of aircraft overwhelm and destroy parts of Syria may be our success but at what cost? Is it a Russian defeat if they do not match our significant power? Maybe they just give us a bloody nose and take the data on our capability home for study. There aren't Russian pilots there, but there are US ones. I hope that this de-escalates because I agree that I would rather see a wall built than Trump battle his way through Syria.

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 2:31 PM  

I've gotten new info, now I'm not sure. Still, I will bet on the horse I came in on until failure.

Lot's going on, and tons of false information. I will wait.

Blogger Crew April 11, 2018 2:31 PM  

If we did get 9/11 part 2, Trump would become a very popular wartime president.

Are you suggesting he orchestrate a second take down of the WTC?

Maybe a nice little war with Russia will rally the people to him.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 11, 2018 2:39 PM  

Crew wrote:Are you suggesting he orchestrate a second take down of the WTC?

No, I was thinking of a US Navy ship sinking. Gulf of Tonkin Part II.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 11, 2018 2:48 PM  

152. tuberman

Trump's tweet about the "animal" smells of agree and amplify.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 11, 2018 2:52 PM  

@142
"I doubt the Russians will launch against an American Destroyer or CV. The risk of "9/11 II, American Unhinged" is too great. If they did take one out, it would be the end of politics as we know them in this country forever."

That is a huge gamble for these uSA that should not be taken.

Blogger Johnny April 11, 2018 3:11 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:I doubt the Russians will launch against an American Destroyer...

The problem is that the Russians have enough at stake that they might be willing to do it. Their hold on Western Europe is that they supply the energy needed. Pipelines through Syria would weaken their position. Thus they may see it as an existential threat, raising the stakes for everybody.

Blogger ChaosNavigator April 11, 2018 3:14 PM  


Trump is playing 3D chess, if not, it must be 4D, if not then 5D chess, etc - ending up in infinite regress....

Hail the emperor of infinite chess!

My preferred presidential candidate was only pretending to be retarded and a Derp State asset, but he is a sophisticated double agent for the common good. Mueller is just the latest proof... and I am soo happy about it

My preferred presidential candidate was only pretending to be retarded - the genius of infinite XD, wow.....

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 11, 2018 3:41 PM  

A war with Russia now means ceding he effective control of the pacific if not risk of war with China.

Blogger Lazarus April 11, 2018 3:54 PM  

46. Blogger cavalier973 April 11, 2018 9:08 AM
"Gas Killing Animal"?

GKA.

Are there any organizations that would have the acronym GKA?

Probably a lot of nonsense.


Or, it could be Group Key Agreement protocol as in cryptography:

GKA explained: In cryptography, a key-agreement protocol is a protocol whereby two or more parties can agree on a key in such a way that both influence the outcome. If properly done, this precludes undesired third parties from forcing a key choice on the agreeing parties. Protocols that are useful in practice also do not reveal to any eavesdropping party what key has been agreed upon.

Trump signalling Putin so DS can't decipher?

Blogger Hammerli280 April 11, 2018 3:55 PM  

It's been interesting to watch FNC the last few nights...because there's a definite split of opinion. Not everybody is on board with intervening in Syria.

My assessment? The U.S. and Russia will talk tough, but neither has any interest whatsoever in a shooting war with the other. There's no up-side, even in a limited conflict with conventional weapons.

The real question is whether Trump will mount a targeted attack against Syrian forces only. And IF he can do so. I would not be surprised to see a desultory TLAM strike like last year, but not a sustained air campaign.

That being said, this is damned dangerous. Not because of a deliberate seeking of war, but because of the potential for a mistake. Remember, this is how the First World War got started..."some damned fool thing in the Balkans" that set off a chain reaction.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2018 4:07 PM  

ChaosNavigator wrote:My preferred presidential candidate was only pretending to be retarded - the genius of infinite XD, wow.....
I'M ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED. I'm SO SMART ALL YOU MORONS WILL RECOGNISE MY GENIUS WHEN TRUMP EVENTUALLY LANDS IN GITMOS, PUT THERE BY PRESIDENT ASSANGE@!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2018 4:09 PM  

ALEX JONES STOLE MY ACCESS TO RENSE.COM

WHERE'S MY PUDDING?

Anonymous Anonymous April 11, 2018 4:27 PM  

This third party might be government agents; it might even be a someone like a James Bond villain. The motives of such a third party is not hard to figure out.

I understand this villain, who has none of James Bond's style at all, like to rub his hands in glee a lot. It creates a sound like (((this))).

Anonymous Anonymous April 11, 2018 4:35 PM  

Jeff aka Orville wrote:

Trump has a history of using feints and outrageous distractions while not telegraphing his true direction. So I'm not going to get too worked up over Syria. I'm waiting to see what comes of the IG report expected to start coming out this month.

Yes, that much is certainly true. It's also worth noting that not even the Saker, who hates the Fake Banana Empire with a passion (he calls it the Anglo-Zionist Empire), is taking it all that seriously. Saker makes a very good point that it should not be taken that seriously unless there is a serious attack by the Banana Empire's legions - and that the first wave alone of such an attack would involve hundreds of cruise missiles, not a few dozen. As VD has said before: Time will tell.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 11, 2018 4:36 PM  

Ugh. The mighty have fallen. It's only going to get worse.
If time machines were real, we could inform Churchill that one day the vaunted British could be manned and commanded by Muslims. Maybe then he won't le change course in fomenting war. Doubtful though.

Anonymous Anonymous April 11, 2018 5:26 PM  

@Wynn Lloyd: Imagine if you went back to Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee and announced that in approximately 100 years Great Britain would have to pull out all the stops just to defeat Argentina.

They'd have locked you in an asylum.

The thing I find alarming in the current situation is that both the GE and the 'Leader of the Free World'(Pres. Putin), have escalated their tough guy talk to a point that becomes more difficult to walk back. Hopefully both are conspiring together to defuse the situation.

--ZhukovG

Blogger ace April 11, 2018 5:33 PM  

genkong with the late-thread lucidity.

Blogger Frank Brady April 11, 2018 5:40 PM  

Either Trump has lost his fucking mind or he's being coerced (blackmailed or perhaps the neocons have his family locked up in some basement at gun point).

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 11, 2018 5:40 PM  

I dunno, I had a particularly good post when I was whacked out on cold meds that was about 3 paragraphs long, consisting of about 2 sentences, and a delightful word salad that I wasn't sure made sense, even after I tried to edit it twice. I wish I could remember on which thread it's posted.

BTW, does anyone know how difficult it is for Americans to emigrate to Russia?

Blogger The Stygian April 11, 2018 5:41 PM  

So the deep state and satanists want us to destroy another ancient Christian people, that sounds familiar.

Anonymous Anonymous April 11, 2018 5:55 PM  

@Zeroh Trollrants: As I recall, you need something like a corporate sponsor who will affirm that you have a job waiting for you in Russia. That will get you a temporary residence, I believe. If you are an Engineer or highly skilled Technician it may be easier. Also it would really help if you spoke Russian and better yet if you are an ethnic Russian.

Last I checked Russia is rated in the top 10 countries for American expatriates.

Just to clarify, I am an American by birth. Southern by the grace of a loving God. But I did explore the options where the Russian Federation were concerned.

Deo Vincice

--ZhukovG

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 11, 2018 5:58 PM  

This is O/T so I apologize Vox, but I have nowhere else to remark upon this. I don't follow the Q anon stuff myself, but do read and listen to several people who do, so I hear bits and pieces of the info. From what I understand, there has been a falling out within the community of those who are "top decipherers" of the Q posts, (just sounds like everyone wants to be top dog, but what do I know?), and there has been much fracturing.
The thing I found the most amusing of all, were the people who'd bought into the idea that this Q person was on the up and up all along supposedly, but it has now been revealed they use an AOL email, so they can't be the real deal?
Frankly, if I were going to believe someone was to be taken seriously as whatever Q supposedly is, that would've been a point in the "favor" category, for me.
The randomness of it, the use of an older email service, I would be more likely, not less likely to take it all seriously.
Anyway, sorry to throw this O/T comment here, but I know most of your people follow the Q posts and I thought this was a whacky development.

Blogger Azimus April 11, 2018 6:00 PM  

111. MortemTyrannus April 11, 2018 10:48 AM
1. The Russians
2. POTUS
3. Cabal
4. POTUS
5. Wikileaks
6. Q


It is fair to say we live in extraordinary times, I'm sure. I would rather trust data than a "plan" - do you have any other examples in history when something like this happened? Has Trump ever set a trap like this? Has anyone else?

Blogger Azimus April 11, 2018 6:04 PM  

Q is just Nostradamus. What good is cryptic nonsense to me?

Blogger LES April 11, 2018 6:23 PM  

Trump will not take the US to war because he does not have the support of the people.

I think now that many members of Congress want to attack Syria he will demand a declaration of war.

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2018 6:25 PM  

170. Zeroh Tollrants

Free land, I've heard, and you should move there now! Fast!

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 11, 2018 6:31 PM  

Nothing to lose. Our cities...nuke targets... are full of shitlibs

Blogger Latigo3 April 11, 2018 6:44 PM  

I hope this does not happen. Does no one study history anymore?

Blogger Dirk Manly April 11, 2018 6:48 PM  

@1

"The rebels gassed themselves... or the CIA gassed them. but honestly that doesn't even matter. Even if the US had a thousand great reasons to go to war in Syria... we:

A) can't afford it
B) have a military that is bad need of rehabilitation."

and
C) our military isn't even trained to fight this sort of war right now. We're STILL doing the same "army of occupation" type training that we were doing 10-15 years ago. We can't enter another war until we first start, once again, to train to FIGHT A WAR.

Blogger MortemTyrannus April 11, 2018 7:01 PM  

North Korea comes to mind.

Sent warships there.
Blustered on twitter.
Blew up the nuke facility (if u believe Q).
Brought NK to table in Nov 2017.
NK shows up to Olympics.
Change of tone and now they will denuclearize, which no one could do. Probably because it was Pedo island for the cabal.

This appears to be a deception/distraction. I believe Putin is in on the distracton, but i’m not an expert by any means.

This Q conspiracy is real IMHO. NK was the real proof. Also the various, outright obnoxious, clues.....the Q wave, tip top, etc.

My only worry is that the plan is delayed and the cabal goes straight voter fraud in the fall. If so, they will try to impeach and make up crap if possible. We need the wall asap.

Blogger MortemTyrannus April 11, 2018 7:04 PM  

IMHO, that guy is full of crap.

Blogger Allen Skeens April 11, 2018 7:10 PM  

Except they'd never impeach him for that. "Colluding" thats a whole other story.

Blogger Dire Badger April 11, 2018 7:16 PM  

lannes wrote:Colin Powell assured us that Saddam did indeed have weapons of mass destruction. "Duplicitous" is too kind a word for him.

Hussein DID have chemical weapons. We stumbled across evidence constantly. Mixing facilities, Traces, reagents, 'test cases', etc. Our problem was threefold.

#1 Mix a little bleach and ammonia and you have one of the worst WMD's on the planet. Mustard Gas is used everywhere anyone can get away with it, and is dead simple to make. VX is only a little more difficult, and recipes for Sarin can be had for peanuts... and some of the Soviet concoctions are still viable, that stuff is floating around the middle east everywhere.

2. Our beloved warhawk didn't CARE about the 'WMD's. He had us there for his own reasons. WMD's were an excuse he knew he could push, because in reality, every single country on the planet has them in some form or another. War is profitable.

3. Due to that very fact, our state department was happy to broadcast our strategy, intentions, and moves well in advance, and the Bush administration took it's sweet time and intentionally drew out the war... That Gave Hussein all the time in the world to stash it elsewhere, destroy it (If it was cheap) or simply hide (some of) the Evidence. He stashed it from Turkey to sometimes as far away as Chechnia.

fifthly, The whole "WMD" thing is retarded from the beginning. In a hundred cases, one low-yield tactical Nuke, or an effective gas strike would have been vastly more merciful and effective at ending an engagement immediately with far less loss of life and property and it's attendant horrors. the gut-level response to 'WMD' is childish and prolongs war.

Blogger John Best April 11, 2018 7:43 PM  

The lying in this video from the Pro-NATO bombing Assad and the Russians in Syria side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvbgQv_FSoQ

Peter Hitchens is a valiant truth seeker, always happy he is on our side.

Blogger Johnny April 11, 2018 7:59 PM  



Poison gas doesn't get used much to some extent because both sides are likely to have it and use mutual restraint. And it very commonly does a lot collateral damage. But otherwise it is not actually that great a military weapon.

The various nerve agents are so dangerous that that they tend to be a hazard to everybody involved. Really easy to poison your own people with the slightest spill or misuse. Plus it is not really good for killing large numbers because it does not hold up well in the environment. If you want to kill a city off, proper dispersal is the big problem. For effective use best to have confining location.

I don't recall if it was a nerve agent, but Hussein poisoned a large number of Iranian troops when they went into one of the low areas in Iran. Apparently not a windy day. A subway is another obvious place for poison gas

Caustic agents have the problem that they depend on quantity and properly equipped troops will generally get through an attack. If they are in a populated area, typically the civilians will take the worst of it. Apparently that is what has been going on in Syria. Probably intended to spread terror more than to win battles.

Nothing like a little chlorine gas settled into the basement or bomb crater. Go down there and breathe it in a little and that is the end of your lungs.

Blogger Robert What? April 11, 2018 9:45 PM  

For arguments sake, let's say that Assad deliberately gassed the civilians. What the f*ck business is it of ours?

Blogger Johnny April 11, 2018 10:16 PM  

Robert What? wrote:For arguments sake, let's say that Assad deliberately gassed the civilians. What the f*ck business is it of ours?
Plus the other side is ISIS. They burn up living people, behead captives, sell female captives at slave auctions, etc...

We just can't get it through our heads that the Middle East is a nasty place and we ain't a gonna make it nice.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 11, 2018 11:15 PM  

Your comment has me wanting to play Victoria by Paradox. The one strategy game where you absolutely don't want to start trouble with the U.K.

Anonymous Anonymous April 12, 2018 1:42 AM  

The concern trolls are out in force today.....

Blogger ChaosNavigator April 12, 2018 4:11 AM  

Crude and callous, not even snide

Probably some sort of borderline...

Blogger justthinkin April 12, 2018 9:33 AM  

The MSM was having fits over revelations that various Trump surrogates were trying to establish "back channel communications" with Russia. How do we know that there aren't any going on right now? Kabuki theatre indeed!

Blogger Crew April 12, 2018 9:45 AM  

Seems the Iranians already have a highway to the Med, so maybe that is why the Israeli want us to smash Syria:

or the first time since the Syrian civil war began, Iranian-backed militias appear to have secured a road link from the Iranian border all the way to Syria’s Mediterranean coast.

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