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Tuesday, April 17, 2018

Merit-based immigration is no solution

It's merely a different and more intractable problem:
“Merit-based immigration” is seen as the gold standard of immigration reform by many Republicans and conservative policy wonks. But it could lead to their political ruin.

We already have a clear window into what a merit-based policy could bring to the political landscape: look at the Indian colonization of Seattle’s Eastside—the area across Lake Washington from Seattle which stretches from Sammamish in the south to Bothell in the north. It has been transformed, in roughly 25 years, from a region that leaned Republican into a cesspool of socialism.

It all started with the rise of Bill Gates’ Microsoft in Redmond, followed by likeminded corporate titans who gorged themselves on the delights of Indian staffing agencies that exploit the H1-B visa program. Once a foreign worker’s H1B status expires in six years, them it’s time for an employment-based green card. These green cards have for years been handed out like popcorn with curry on top to almost any Indian techie who agrees to work for, on average, one-third lower pay than American tech workers.

Microsoft was an American-led company for many years until its upper leadership became Indian, beginning with the head of personnel some 20 or so years ago. Although the data released by the company is hard to interpret, employees note that the firm is a plurality Indian company in employees, as well as in leadership.
I always find the desperate attempts of conservatives to avoid the obvious consequences of the truth about immigration to be more than a little funny. First, "all immigration is beneficial." Second, "it's not the immigration, it's the illegality". Third, "it's about the quality of the immigration." Now that high-caste Indians are doing in the Pacific Northwest what high-caste Indians have done in India for thousands of years, conservatives will be forced to face the fact that their fourth line of intellectual retreat is just as false as the previous three.

How did "high-quality immigration" work out for the American Indian? Low-quality means your people are replaced on the low end. High-quality means your people are replaced on the high end. Either way, your people are going to be replaced, conquered, and disenfranchised.

There is one and only one metric that matters with regards to immigration: quantity. And even a relatively small quantity is considerably more destructive to a society than most social scientists realize yet.

“Indians can only think in terms of might is right, street-smartness and political connections. Such a society cannot have any understanding of the principles of the Ten Commandments, or have respect for the individual and liberty.”
- Jayant Bhandari

Sounds familiar, does it not? I believe it is informative to note that those who claim I am incorrect about the inability of the vast majority of post-18th century immigrants to adapt to or adopt historical Anglo-American norms are usually untraveled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States.

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Blogger Quilp April 17, 2018 12:45 PM  

Trump nominee Justice Neil Gorsuch sided with liberals on the Supreme Court to hand President Trump a defeat on his plan to deport criminal immigrants.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/04/supreme-court-hands-trump-defeat-on-deporting-criminal-immigrants-gorsuch-sides-with-liberals-on-court/

Blogger Michael Maier April 17, 2018 12:59 PM  

Microsoft was an American-led company for many years until its upper leadership became Indian, beginning with the head of personnel some 20 or so years ago. Although the data released by the company is hard to interpret, employees note that the firm is a plurality Indian company in employees, as well as in leadership.


So about the same time MS stopped actually IMPROVING their products?

Blogger CM April 17, 2018 1:02 PM  

Merit based only believes in America as a financial end for them. Policies that line their pockets are good even if it guts the economic stability of the nation as a whole.

Point out no country has free trade? Doesn't matter. They think the US should regardless of what others do - because it benefits them.

There is no loyalty to community. They are citizens of the world that see nothing wrong with advocating for more citizens of the world to come and provide them cheap labor.

Just shut it down.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 17, 2018 1:07 PM  

"I believe it is informative to note that those who claim I am incorrect about the inability of the vast majority of post-18th century immigrants to adapt to or adopt historical Anglo-American norms are usually untraveled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States."
That statement should be broadcast far and wide.
Proponents of multiculturalism try to portray opponents as ignorant and provincial, when it's the exact opposite of reality.
The first trip to Japan demonstrated to me that we were playing a rigged game. They have a homogeneous, closed-off society, and it works. Very well. A man gains an understanding of just how tribalistic humans can be, when he travels to a nonwestern nation, even a prosperous one.

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 17, 2018 1:09 PM  

And then there is Gorsuch.

Blogger Orthodox April 17, 2018 1:10 PM  

People don't talk about it because racism and smaller numbers, but there's increasing White flight from Asian dominated areas. They're not fleeing crime or falling property values (both moving in a positive direction). They're fleeing Asian dominated schools that produce an end product similar to what you might find in Tokyo, Beijing or Seoul. Western holidays, sports, art, theater diminished not because of any care for diversity, but because it takes time away from studying and test prep.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 17, 2018 1:30 PM  

“Indians can only think in terms of might is right, street-smartness and political connections. Such a society cannot have any understanding of the principles of the Ten Commandments, or have respect for the individual and liberty.”
- Jayant Bhandari


such Racism, much Prejudice.

that's what he's accusing Feather Indians of, right?

Blogger DonReynolds April 17, 2018 1:36 PM  

Merit-based legal immigration is still invasion and it does not guarantee that the invaders will be crime-free or harmless or somehow beneficial....and it is CRUEL.

Why do so many of the low-life from Third World countries risk life and limb to enter the USA? No doubt, there are many reasons, but probably the most common is....their own country is a "shit hole", to use the presidential term. So why are so many of the Third World countries that way. Again, there are several reasons....avoidable and unavoidable....but one of the main reasons is because the USA and Europe have sucked out the very individuals that the Turd World needs to make life better for the masses of their own people. Yes, the old "brain drain", which is "stick and stem" of merit-based immigration. The USA and Europe have sheep-stole the best and the brightest from many less developed countries and this not only makes their home countries worse off, but promises to keep those countries in continual decline. So what are the great masses of people to do? Of course, follow their betters to the Western Developed Countries!

Is there an invasion by low-life scum and villiany of the USA and Europe? Most certainly! Did the receiving countries cause it, invite it....maybe even make it necessary and unavoidable? Most certainly! Do they not need nurses and doctors in Afrika? Do they need engineers and scientists in the Middle East? Do they need fast food franchise managers in South America? How about college professors? India has more colleges and universities than any other country in the world. Should the USA and Europe be taking the best ones for themselves?

Yes, boys and girls, merit-based immigration is what causes the invasion of the low-life, illiterate, criminals....it robs Turd World countries of the minds they need to improve their own countries....it takes away any hope for the future in those countries....and it abuses our own citizens in the most cruel ways with depressed wages and despair about their own future in the USA and Europe and violent crime.

Merit-based immigration is cruel and brutal and Malthusian....the perfect policy for making everyone worse off in the developed and undeveloped world.

Blogger freddie_mac April 17, 2018 1:39 PM  

untraveled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States.

Nope, haven't lived outside of the US, but I've now lived in a total of four different states: WA, NY, NJ, WY. Each state has been a microcosm of various "American" elements.

NY and NJ were the biggest shock and education about different races and cultures -- many times, I felt like I was in a different country.
Going back to WA in recent years has also been a shock, as the state I grew up in has disappeared and is rapidly becoming CaliNorth.
WY has felt the closest to "home" in quite some time; there's certainly a sense of individualism and self-sufficiency, but still has some of that old-fashioned community (at least where I am now).

Blogger Crew April 17, 2018 1:39 PM  

White immigrants only, and even then, maybe Scandinavians should be excluded ...

Blogger Crew April 17, 2018 1:42 PM  

@1: LyingMSM again.

As far as I am aware they set aside one provision that was too vague.

Vague laws allow the government to punish us for just thinking what they don't like.

Trump can redo that provision to make it less vague ..

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 1:48 PM  

I've been long of the opinion, since I was 22, that immigration needs to end for at least as long as the Immigration & Nationality Act of 65 has been in effect. I'll be 32 near year's end.

It's heartening to see that people are slowly realizing legal immigration is the issue. Ironically, I viewed '16 as the last shot to turn back immigration before it's too late.

Now it may be too late for America but it's not too late for our areas of the country that'll rise from the probable ashes.

Blogger CM April 17, 2018 1:50 PM  

White immigrants only, and even then, maybe Scandinavians should be excluded ...

Anyone who comes from a communist or socialist country should be excluded.

Blogger Ransom Smith April 17, 2018 1:51 PM  

Anyone who comes from a communist or socialist country should be excluded.
That'll be all of Western Europe then .

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 1:52 PM  

I believe it is informative to note that those who claim I am incorrect about the inability of the vast majority of post-18th century immigrants to adapt to or adopt historical Anglo-American norms are usually untraveled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States.

Or live in a white-majority area.

Blogger CM April 17, 2018 1:52 PM  

Anyone who comes from a communist or socialist country should be excluded.

That'll be all of Western Europe then .


Good.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 17, 2018 2:00 PM  



Saying: 'I don't care if my country is destroyed, as long as it's destroyed LEGALLY' is not a solution,
its a justification.

Legal/illegal is not the issue.

The issue is, "You are not us, this country is for us.

Blogger Unknown April 17, 2018 2:12 PM  

"Sounds familiar, does it not? I believe it is informative to note that those who claim I am incorrect about the inability of the vast majority of post-18th century immigrants to adapt to or adopt historical Anglo-American norms are usually untraveled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States."

I lived in Japan three times, for a total time span of seven years. I have also been to more than a dozen other countries, all courtesy of Uncle Sam's Canoe Club.

I know, without reservation or guilt, that the posterity handed down to us by the founders of the United States is the best in the world.

They ALL have to go back.

Blogger jb April 17, 2018 2:17 PM  

@Crew #11

You have the correct read on the issue. I read the piece at Gateway Pundit earlier - beyond the click-bait headline, and I believe Gorsuch was doing exactly what he was put there to do - point out the deficiency of the proposed law.

And as you suggested - will happen. Quick clarification in more precise fashion by the VSG, and the vote will go the other way.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 2:19 PM  

In the end, we must ask: why any immigration at all? Why do we care more about foreign born people than our own? How many invaders would be enough?

The left used to claimed to want less population because the poor old earth could not support ever more people -- and yet they want more and more people coming here as long as they are not white.

It is time to do something about the situation. We can not wait another generation or two. Time is of the essence.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 17, 2018 2:27 PM  

@12: Yup. If you take a look at American history, there was a regular cycle to immigration. About 30 years of high immigration, followed by about 30 years of low immigration. We've endured about 55 years of high immigration...and the logical counter is an equal period of low immigration.

Removal of illegals and burdens on the Citizen Taxpayer can shorten that low immigration period, possibly to 40-45 years. But we need a long period of low immigration (~100K/year) to settle things out.

Blogger RobertT April 17, 2018 2:28 PM  

Is the problem that we are importing a limited number H-1B's for a limited amount of time? Or is the problem that we are importing an massive unlimited number of ordinary workers to compete with Americans for a limited number of jobs?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 17, 2018 2:30 PM  

Not to mention that cheating in school is culturally acceptable in India. Even their merits are questionable at best.

Also, their whole extended family lives in a house, driving home prices up since a 3000 dollar mortgage payment is split 4 ways.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 17, 2018 2:34 PM  

markstoval wrote:In the end, we must ask: why any immigration at all? Why do we care more about foreign born people than our own? How many invaders would be enough?

Zero is too many. We need large negative numbers of invaders, for decades.

RobertT wrote:Is the problem that we are importing a limited number H-1B's for a limited amount of time? Or is the problem that we are importing an massive unlimited number of ordinary workers to compete with Americans for a limited number of jobs?

Certainly, both are problems.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 17, 2018 2:35 PM  

Since all immigrants vote Democrat, moratorium is the only option.

And I actually suspect Indians are the most likely group to end up pogromed by white Americans when SHTF.

Blogger Damn Crackers April 17, 2018 2:50 PM  

Curry Jews?

Blogger ReluctantMessiah April 17, 2018 2:50 PM  

Who's going to determine the merit? No doubt an SJW. Look at how awful our education system is. Shut it down.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora April 17, 2018 2:51 PM  

Regression to the mean slays any serious consideration of merit based immigration from lower performing populations, and nepotism and ethnic solidarity do the same for arguments in support of allowing in higher performance populations. I'm pretty sure everyone who supports this garbage is either too stupid to think it through or is intentionally dishonest. It's not hard stuff.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 17, 2018 2:53 PM  

There is one and only one metric that matters with regards to immigration: quantity.

I thought you were gonna say race.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel April 17, 2018 2:53 PM  

Because progs control elite institutions, high-achieving immigrant-invaders think proggy attitudes = status and cool factor.

So, all those high IQ Asians who go to Ivy League schools and get good jobs turn anti-white and work for Soros-ism.

http://dailyandreaostrov.blogspot.com/2018/04/a-rebuttal-to-yan-shens-complaint-about.html

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 17, 2018 2:56 PM  

When you mix merit based immigration with feminism, good luck finding a white male doctor.

Blogger tublecane April 17, 2018 3:01 PM  

Posters were talking about the Death of the American Mall on the Starbucks thread, blaming dindus and immigrants. (There's also online shopping, of course.) Where I live, most malls are indeed dying, but a couple thrive. One is the Mall of America, which despite being infested with dindus is a tourist attraction.

The other is a mall in a nearby upper-middleclass town, which teems with white teenagers. Like an 80s or 90s movie, I swear. In fact, it's where they filmed the awful Kevin Smith movie Mallrats.

Anyway, the reason I bring it up is that they just-so happen to be infested with immigrants. And those immigrants go to the mall, too. But they're Indians, and they appear to be middle and upper-middleclass themselves. They don't drive away the teens, and they aren't making a Mumbai out of the place.

That might explain certain people's predilection for "merit based" immigration. I mean, we don't have to have mass immigration, but let's say someone held a gun to your head. You'd prefer the type of immigrant who wouldn't turn your pleasant teen hangout mall into a dirt mall.

For whatever reason, conservatives act like there's a gun to their head. I suppose because they've been convinced that if we stop moving more to left all the time, the system will break down and they'll be consumed by a mob like in a zombie movie.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club April 17, 2018 3:11 PM  

Is the problem that we are importing a limited number H-1B's for a limited amount of time?

Neither the numbers nor their time here have actually been limited. H-1Bs have been handed out like candy at Halloween, and like most immigration issues during the last 50 years, overstaying has not been prosecuted, or even really acknowledged.

And then there is Gorsuch.

This is why Vox posted Trump is not the Second Coming of Charles Martel (and neither is Gorsuch, though he'll probably be around longer).

Blogger Out of Nod April 17, 2018 3:12 PM  

When I am asked by people why I am not working for a company like Microsoft, I throw out the question "What happens when people who were not brought up with 'diversity is our strength' makes up a majority of a companies workers?"

Blogger Stilicho April 17, 2018 3:16 PM  

We don't need ANY immigration. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

America needs immigrants like Iowa needs more corn.

Blogger tublecane April 17, 2018 3:20 PM  

"the inability of the vast majority of post-18th century immigrants to adapt to or adopt Anglo-American norms"

My people were all here by the Civil War, and the earliest came over in the 1820s, I think. But I've had my doubts whether we could ever really *get* original American culture.

I know I can't, because I was stewed in post-melting pot, deceitful progressive compulsory public education Hollywood mass culture. It's sad to think my forefathers didn't, either.

"usually untravelled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States."

They don't really have any experience living in their own traditional culture, so how could we expect them to discriminate between greater and lesser degrees of assimilation into it? Most U.S.-cans have no idea where their culture comes from, how to tell the difference between English and French or Irish or German roots, let alone identify the Founding Stock mindset. Distinguishing Protestant from Catholic is tough, even, considering the triumph of churchianity.

We are taught what Moldbug called Universalism. He has that deriving from the Puritanism, but nevermind the precise origin. There are similar versions in other cultures. Call it Blank Slate Modernism. It lends people the notion that culture is fungible and we can think our way out of it. No surprise people taught to think that way don't know crap about the roots of their own culture.

Of course, Universalism isn't the only thing they teach. They also teach multiculturalism, which is a direct contradiction of the former. But we know they don't actually believe in that. It's merely a means of destroying traditional culture in order to make way for Universalism.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 3:39 PM  

Trump nominee Justice Neil Gorsuch sided with liberals on the Supreme Court to hand President

What a cuck excuse he gave.

"President Trump's nominee to the high court joined most of the ruling by the court's liberal minority that the law failed to define what would qualify as a violent crime."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/17/supreme-court-immigration-law-threatening-deportattosses-out-immigration-law-leading-deportatio/840229001/

“Indians can only think in terms of might is right, street-smartness and political connections. Such

Even if they didn't need to cheat to pass tests, their laziness & lack of commonweal could lead to a Bhopal type disaster with 15k dead. I have no doubt the Indian engineers that replaced whites could pass a test on how to/ how often to do preventative maintenance as long as it was on paper instead of reality.

....but one of the main reasons is because the USA and Europe have sucked out the very individuals that the Turd World needs to make life better for the masses of their own people

There are simply not enough smart people in India to do more than a TED TALK about street shitting. You need at least a certain % of a population to understand plumbing before plumbing can be common. It is African Einsteins that can read a picture book about turning a used car alternator & a fan into a wind generator.

untraveled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States.

The left thinks anyone that doesn't speak wetback is monolingual. We should be encouraging kids to speak German, Russian, Chinese,& Japanese to promote business, because teaching them Spanish won't help Latinos who speak wetback.

Not to mention that cheating in school is culturally acceptable in India. Even their merits are questionable at best.

Places are taking pics of Indians they interview because there have been ringers doing interviews for others with clueless idiots showing up for work.

OT: Anyone (((notice))) the multiple commercials showing an adult nig finding something a white girl lost & returning it for them? Piggy Bank- bank commercial & Airline commercial.

Blogger Dangeresque April 17, 2018 3:43 PM  

Merit based immigration = Bringing in the most virile barbarians first

Blogger Hunsdon April 17, 2018 3:50 PM  

If you're bitching about Gorsuch, shut your pie holes, or at least read a little and educate yourself.

Gorsuch sided with the liberals? How about, "Gorsuch followed in the footsteps of his sainted predecessor Scalia, who wrote the opinion striking down a similar law shortly before his death."

This is just another of the lying media's attempts at death by a thousand cuts.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 17, 2018 3:50 PM  

"And I actually suspect Indians are the most likely group to end up pogromed by white Americans when SHTF."

Curry Jews?

@26 Damn Crackers
Yeah, (((they))) would be protected somewhat by white guilt and evangelical dispensationalism. Indians? Nope. Whites freely make fun of their Apu accents. And unlike, say, the Chinese, they're more obnoxious, and unlike Mexicans, more obviously compete directly with whites for jobs.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 17, 2018 3:53 PM  

Because progs control elite institutions, high-achieving immigrant-invaders think proggy attitudes = status and cool factor.

So, all those high IQ Asians who go to Ivy League schools and get good jobs turn anti-white and work for Soros-ism.


@30 Andrea
At the same time, the fact Indians have adopted progtardery even more ardently than the Jews have would definitely provide a further motivation for whites to target Indians for elimination by whatever means.

Blogger bara April 17, 2018 3:54 PM  

Former 'softie here. Worked there from the early 2000s until about a couple of years ago. Immigrant, from Mexico. These are some of my takes:

1. Even back then, the SE Asian culture was taking over, by the time I left it was overwhelming. On weekends at the fields, more people are playing cricket than flag football (I played the latter).

2. Redmond is now little India. When I bought property I did it on a mostly white neighborhood/town. Longer commute, but the reason I moved to the US is because I liked/agreed to the culture, not to bring Mexico 2.0 with me (otherwise I'd have gone to Southern Cali). Southeast Asia, I just shake my head.

3. Identity politics is real, both inside and outside the company. My own ethnic group has made its play for power. I'm lucky that me and my wife look white enough and speak without an accent so we can join the mainstream (for as long as it remains the mainstream at least). I hate the politics of my coexpats and favor right-leaning positions, but even individuals who would be favored by the more traditional US approach end up clustering with their ingroup.

4. My kids are being raised on US traditional/Christian/Western values, period. I do not want them to be gang members. I do not want them to be lazy. I do not want them to build Mexico 2.0. I'll repeat: There is a good reason I moved here, and it was not the money.

5. I attend a very white, mostly conservative church. I will note that most other immigrants from my group either do not attend church (the majority) or have left for Christian-lite denominations whose best attraction is free daycare for a couple of hours every weekend.

6. Make it harder to immigrate, not easier. Civics test for naturalization is just the beginning; there should be a cultural compatibility test just for coming in. The neighbors should have a say on who moves in and whether they are getting integrated.

7. H1 visas are one step above slavery and one below indentured servitude (those guys at least knew when they were off the hook, I didn't for a long time). Tougher standards to come in, a deterministic probationary period and permanent residency/citizenship if integration occurs. But not the current muddle that brings large quantities of people in a state of limbo for unknown periods of time.

Blogger One Deplorable DT April 17, 2018 4:08 PM  

Ideal solution: no more immigration. Period. If you would not have citizenship but for the 1965 immigration act, you have to go back.

A solution that is, in the current climate, more viable: no more immigration. Period.

The solution I expect? Eventual dissolution of the United States.

Blogger tz April 17, 2018 4:27 PM  

The problem with civics tests is an atheist or sociopath can recite the 10 commandments.
The civics will fade as they establish their own unassimilated subcultures.

Blogger tublecane April 17, 2018 4:31 PM  

@41- Indian progtardery has amped up lately. They're trying to get in the grievance game and the Diversity Racket by going after Apu on the Simpsons.

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 17, 2018 4:43 PM  

"Gorsuch followed in the footsteps of his sainted predecessor Scalia, who wrote the opinion striking down a similar law shortly before his death."

One speedy way to sainthood is ghost dancing behind the Constitution.

Blogger Daniel April 17, 2018 5:08 PM  

I am a racist. There. The sky didn't fall in. Embrace racism. Racism is the only winning stance.

Blogger Bob Loblaw April 17, 2018 5:47 PM  

“Indians can only think in terms of might is right, street-smartness and political connections. Such a society cannot have any understanding of the principles of the Ten Commandments, or have respect for the individual and liberty.”

There's some truth to this. My experience with India and Indians is their society is semi-nonfunctional because they think nothing of screwing each other for the tiniest benefit. It's expected, and if you don't do it you're considered a naive bumpkin. The lack of trust is a huge economic drag.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 17, 2018 5:52 PM  

Same here. The Japanese have a strong ethnic identity that is exclusive and meaningful. Encountering it makes you realize just how deracinated we are in this nation.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 5:53 PM  

@47

"I am a racist. There. The sky didn't fall in. Embrace racism. Racism is the only winning stance."

The real truth is that everyone is a racist. There is no way one does not notice race and racial differences. People do lie about it and claim they don't, but people lie about a lot of things.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 17, 2018 6:15 PM  

That's a good point. Very insightful.
Plus they have significantly less attractive chicks for guys who don't want to have to learn game. Seems like a banal reason, but it's true.
Indian women, even Desi women or whatever they are called, can be hairier than many men. There's are also other factors that turn a lot of people off, though they are too hard to identify and describe for me. Obviously there are beautiful Indian women like Aishwarya Rai, but they seen to have more than their fair share of both ugly women and weak, omega men.

Blogger papabear April 17, 2018 6:25 PM  

Starting to see more white women mixing it up with Indian men here in the Bay Area. Not sure what the appropriate perjorative term for that is.

Blogger Dexter April 17, 2018 6:32 PM  

"It has been transformed, in roughly 25 years, from a region that leaned Republican into a cesspool of socialism"

See also Loudoun County Virginia. Big part of the reason Virginia went Democrat is imports from NY, NJ, CA... and India.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 17, 2018 6:33 PM  

@51 Wynn Lloyd
The fact that Indian men skew toward gamma, compared to more delta European men, helps explain their loser culture. Plus the uglier on average women I suppose.

@52 papabear
I've heard Canada is far, far worse.

Blogger Azimus April 17, 2018 6:48 PM  

VD:
Well we managed to Americanize you, and you are a wild red savage.

Of course you've been marinating in Italy for awhile...

I'm in no position to argue this at length, and maybe its not even possible in this mortal realm, but if a limited number of competent, genuinely-want-to-integrate-into-American-culture productive people want to join us, I'm OK with that. A couple of caveats though - no welfare state, no chain migration (we are a nation of rugged INDIVIDUALISM, afterall), a fixed ratio against the number of native children born the prior year, say 10:1 (that is to say, 1 immigrant per 10 natives born), and SOME KIND of meaningful barriers to citizenship - I think it was the French 3rd Republic where you didn't vote if you didn't pay taxes? Something like that, plus time, plus English. Also no: you don't automatically get to bring your children in.

That might result in 82 immigrants per year, but I think we could handle that many.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 17, 2018 7:02 PM  

Azimus wrote: ... if a limited number of competent, genuinely-want-to-integrate-into-American-culture productive people want to join us ...

If we cannot tell that they are not American, then ones and twos of them probably aren't going to cause a problem. Any time there are enough to start to influence the local culture, they become a problem. That's how areas settled by Scandinavians became Very Nice socialist enclaves.

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2018 7:15 PM  

> Not sure what the appropriate perjorative term for that is.

May I propose copper kettle?

Blogger pyrrhus April 17, 2018 7:16 PM  

What I hear from people in IT, and elsewhere (like Ivy League schools), is that Indians are even more clannish and nepotistic than the Chosen, but less competent. My encounters in the professional chess world are far from refuting these points....

Blogger pyrrhus April 17, 2018 7:17 PM  

The other problem with "merit based" anything administered by the leftist bureaucracy, is that it will be anything but....

Blogger marco moltisanti April 17, 2018 7:38 PM  

"I believe it is informative to note that those who claim I am incorrect about the inability of the vast majority of post-18th century immigrants to adapt to or adopt historical Anglo-American norms are usually untraveled monolingual whites who have literally no experience living in any culture or society outside the United States."

Yes. I write from one of the more backwards, crime-ridden parts of Central America. It's my third year here. While I haven't quite bought your idea (as i understand it) that a German baby raised in the US by an Anglo-Saxon family would be noticeably non-Anglo-Saxon as an adult, I can definitely say the idea that millions of people from this part of the world dumped over the Rio Grande all at once are somehow going to become Americans is insane.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf April 17, 2018 7:38 PM  

I've often wondered if the Caste System (in India or otherwise) isn't a means of protecting the group's collective DNA (and associated health and intellect). Without a winter, this may have been the only viable solution?

Blogger pyrrhus April 17, 2018 7:55 PM  

@61 I've often wondered if the Caste System (in India or otherwise) isn't a means of protecting the group's collective DNA (and associated health and intellect). Without a winter, this may have been the only viable solution?

That is most definitely the case, as Indians only marry within their caste, and generally within subgroups of a caste...Thus, the top two castes have maintained an average IQ near western levels for thousands of years, while the average IQ in India is an abysmal 80 or so...

Blogger Daniel April 17, 2018 8:42 PM  

First you do not want to pick your cotton. Now you won't do your coding. Somehow i want to say to you fuck you dudes

Blogger Daniel April 17, 2018 8:46 PM  

You or should change the nick

Blogger Daniel April 17, 2018 8:47 PM  

Read "you or me"

Blogger Vaughan Williams April 17, 2018 9:11 PM  

@60 A German baby raised by Anglo-Saxon parents MAY fit in perfectly... depending what kind of "German" he is. Danes, Frisians, Dutch, even Belgians, are blood kin. Holland is the mother country, as was the area where the Saxons came from. Bavaria, on the other hand, is definitely the country of tawny people, not white at all.

Blogger Vaughan Williams April 17, 2018 9:13 PM  

I mean, look on a map at where Saxe-Coburg is. The Queen may be "foreign" officially, but she comes straight from the heart of where the Angles, Jutes, and Saxons came from. Such "Germans" are our cousins. As per the Bible, that fits the 3 generation rule, compared to the 10 generation rule for more distantly related races.

Blogger marco moltisanti April 17, 2018 9:49 PM  

@67 Yes, but Vox has said before IIRC that only people of at least 50% English ancestry can be real Americans, no matter how many generations their families have been in the US, and that this is because of genetics and includes other types of northern and western Europeans. Not saying he's wrong, just saying it's not as easy to accept as the very obvious fact that first generation Honduran immigrants might be nice people but are very unlikely to behave like Americans of Anglo-Saxon stock or have the same values. Also, it's obvious that taking in massive numbers of them with their much higher birth rates will quickly change the nature of the US.

Blogger Michael Simpson April 17, 2018 10:03 PM  

I worked at a firestone store in Redmond as went to the local Fred Meyer to grab some groceries thought I was in Bombay India unreal

Blogger Lazarus April 17, 2018 10:22 PM  

63. Blogger Daniel April 17, 2018 8:42 PM
First you do not want to pick your cotton. Now you won't do your coding. Somehow i want to say to you fuck you dudes


Damn straight. You know how much cotton weighs? Next to nuthin'. Can't be that tough. Try workin' on the levee with a bad-shouldered mule til you go blind.

Just sayin'

Blogger Sherwood family April 17, 2018 11:52 PM  

I have worked on immigrant visas and have seen what the system and law as presently constituted allow and even require. The Immigration and Nationalization Act of 1965 (INA) is an abomination and has only been made worse with each successive court case that expands its reach. When I was working on Immigrant Visa issues in Egypt I got to see first hand the festering turd that is the Visa Lottery. These laws were designed with one purpose in mind: to destroy the demographics of the United States as they were at the time these laws were created and usher in a permanent aristocracy of liberal leftists ruling a seething mass of coolies and peons.

There is only ONE viable solution: negative immigration. They have to go back. And the sooner we begin to create a logical framework for how we are going to do it the better.

The Dominican Republic's method of dealing with its vast Haitian hordes is instructive.

We might try something along the following lines:

1) Undo birthright citizenship. (These first two points would be the heavy lift.)
2) De-nationalize those who were "beneficiaries" of illegal presence. (DACA, children of illegals)
3) Give them an opportunity to register to have their case for "re-nationalization" heard/reviewed
4) Cite concerns of flight risk for those who will not follow the outcome of these cases or rule of law.
5) Take those who registered for "re-nationalization", now that we have names and addresses, and move them to holding facilities in preparation for court review.
6) Those who refused to register for "re-nationalization" can be summarily rounded up and thrown out because they would not go through the process legally.
6) Let states refuse to honor the "legal fictions" of this "re-nationalization" process. (California, etc.)
7) Decry the unwillingness of states to follow rule of law.
8) Make the argument that we cannot hold these people indefinitely which is what it will be if there are continued court challenges/failure to implement the law.
9) Wait will tension builds to "do something" about all these people in lock up.
10) Regretfully acquiesce to the fact that the states are unwilling to go through this process of "re-nationalization" in an orderly fashion. Promise to release those currently detained awaiting the outcome of "re-nationalization."
10) Citing legal inability to do anything on these cases, repatriate those detained as part of a humanitarian effort to prevent these people from being locked up indefinitely.

That's just an off the cuff approach. Something better could undoubtedly be crafted. Of course, this would require political will, especially to end birthright citizenship and move toward "re-nationalizing" those who are beneficiaries of illegal presence. Not sure it is possible.

Blogger Sherwood family April 17, 2018 11:53 PM  

I guess I have two number 10's. Oh well.

Blogger Jack Amok April 18, 2018 1:54 AM  

So about the same time MS stopped actually IMPROVING their products?

Pretty much, yeah. As groups acquired a dotindian GM, they became pretty useless.

"It has been transformed, in roughly 25 years, from a region that leaned Republican into a cesspool of socialism"

See also Loudoun County Virginia. Big part of the reason Virginia went Democrat is imports from NY, NJ, CA... and India.


Ah, speaking of California...

First, while demographic change is very real, it’s not happening everywhere at the same rate. In fact, a meaningful part of that change is hyper-concentrated in the Golden State. The numbers are amazing. It’s the most populous state in the nation and also one of the least white. America is 61 percent white, 18 percent Hispanic, and 12 percent black. California, by contrast, is 39 percent white, 38 percent Hispanic, 15 percent Asian, and 5 percent black. Moreover, one-fourth of the nation’s immigrant population lives in California. More than a quarter of California residents are immigrants, a number that almost doubles the national average.

Is it any wonder the place is screwed up?

Blogger Raghav Hegde April 18, 2018 2:32 AM  

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Blogger Sherwood family April 18, 2018 2:59 AM  

Raghav Hegde: you just said it yourself. They are your people. Which is fine. Everyone has a people and should support them the best they can. But they are not our people. You have to go back. Make India Great Again.

Blogger Raghav Hegde April 18, 2018 4:14 AM  

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Blogger VD April 18, 2018 4:22 AM  

I don't know whether to be outraged at some of the stuff you lot say about my people or laugh.

It doesn't matter. You have to go back.

LOL, we are basically replacing you from your best jobs :)

Exactly. Which is why if you think what Americans did to my people was bad, it's like nothing compared to what they will do to you nepotistic morons. We will be the only Indians left in North America again.

Blogger Sherwood family April 18, 2018 4:35 AM  

So...Raghav Hegde's response is summed up as: all those things you say don't like about us...yeah...we are actually doing them and plan to do them a lot more and your noticing that is 'ranting'.

Even Raghav Hegde's threats are parasitic at best: "we are gonna take over "your" companies and make them "our" companies."

Don't be a parasite. Go Make India Great Again.



Blogger Harry Goldblatt MD April 18, 2018 5:01 AM  

How many companies are running MicroShaft services because of legacy decisions; Is upper management too stupid or lazy to make the transition to better and cheaper installations? My guess is this is more often the case than not.

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2018 9:32 AM  

@21 " But we need a long period of low immigration (~100K/year) to settle things out."

But you've not even LOOKED at your (damaging) premise: on what possible basis do WE need any immigration at all, EVER again!? WHY must we allow in ANYone?! Yes, back in the early days of this country, they wanted and needed humans to tame the new country's wilderness. We don't HAVE any wilderness -- we don't NEED any extra people! Back to -- at the latest! -- pre-1965 demographics and then close the doors and lock them!

OUR country. OUR people. We're DONE!

"But... Oh, the poor, the huddled masses... blah blah blah, b.s.!" NOT OUR PROBLEM! We will be HAPPY to send them books and directions-- and even volunteer advisors if they wish to go help, to let any foreign country try to improve its lot. If you want to HAVE "America" -- then build your own!

NO ONE has any right whatsoever to come here. We built it (f.u. obama!) and it's ours.

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2018 9:41 AM  

@37 "Even if they didn't need to cheat to pass tests, their laziness & lack of commonweal could lead to a Bhopal type disaster with 15k dead. I have no doubt the Indian engineers that replaced whites could pass a test on how to/ how often to do preventative maintenance as long as it was on paper instead of reality."

Bhopal was sabotage. It was intentional. The saboteur may not have intended it to be as bad as it ended up -- but it was NOT a 'mistake.'


From here: http://www.bhopal.com/Cause-of-Bhopal-Tragedy

"Some two and a half years after the tragedy, UCC filed a lengthy court document in India detailing the findings of its scientific and legal investigations: the cause of the disaster was sabotage. Click here to view the Jackson Browning Report. UCC’s investigation proved with virtual certainty that the disaster was caused by the direct entry of water into Tank 610 through a hose connected to the tank.

"All of this was supported by hard evidence set forth in the presentation made by Ashok S. Kalelkar of Arthur D. Little, Inc. at The Institution of Chemical Engineers Conference on Preventing Major Chemical Accidents in London, U.K., in 1988. Click here to view the Arthur D. Little Report. Early accounts of the disaster that focused on the GOI’s theory that water-washing caused the accident subsequently were disproved."

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2018 9:43 AM  

@81 "We should be encouraging kids to speak German, Russian, Chinese,& Japanese to promote business, because teaching them Spanish won't help Latinos who speak wetback."

My husband often suggested learning high Castilian Spanish -- and THEN "communicating" with the invaders... Let them hear ACTUAL Spanish, not their degraded versions...

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2018 9:55 AM  

@50 "There is no way one does not notice race and racial differences."

Blindsided (and I hope awakened slightly) an idiot liberal in the locker room once: she was virtue-bragging on how she always tells her 4-yr-old son that there ARE no differences between the races.

Oh, I said, that's a huge mistake! (Got the expected deer-in-the headlights stare!) You're saying to your child who is learning about the world that the ACTUAL DIFFERENCES he sees between himself and the blacks in his class DO NOT EXIST!

Now, what is his forming brain supposed to do with that? His eyes see: yes, of COURSE there are differences: skin color, aggressiveness, lack of 'indoor voices,' slower learning, and so on... But mommy is telling him that what he SEES is not there. So -- EITHER he disbelieves mommy OR he has to learn to lie to himself and NOT believe what he actually sees?!

How is a child who grows up to DISBELIEVE his own eyes and his own ability to make judgements about the world around him (because mommy TOLD him so!) going to make his way IN that world?!

She went ashen. I HOPE she quit being a liberal @ss, but I suppose not.

Blogger Crew April 18, 2018 9:55 AM  

Wait. Why did Apu delete his comments?

Blogger Anthony April 18, 2018 1:56 PM  

Bhopal would have been a pretty ordinary industrial accident, except that the socialist government of Bihar said Union Carbide didn't need that buffer zone around the plant and settled a bunch of squatters. Most of the dead were squatters trespassing on Union Carbide's land.

Blogger James Dixon April 18, 2018 2:10 PM  

> Wait. Why did Apu delete his comments?

He got banned. He promised to leave and then didn't, insulting our host in the process.

Blogger Daniel April 18, 2018 8:00 PM  

As an argentinian i agree. Outside argentina and uruguay the spanish is awful. Slow, tpo little words. Hate listening to those guys

Blogger Heterodox April 18, 2018 9:05 PM  

What are you talking about? My bavarian ancestors were blonde haired and blue eyed, every last one. Most of what Americans think of as German is actually Bavarian.

Plus, Bavarians are the conservative traditionalist right wingers of Germany and always were. They're the wealthiest germans as well.

Blogger The Foolproof April 19, 2018 6:34 AM  

Australia’s skilled migration system has helped to forestall colonisation by Muslims so we can be colonised by the Chinese instead. They be the most insidious immigrants, rent-seeking ruthlessly within the confines of the law and pricing whole generations of Actual-Australians out of the property market.

As for South Asians, some Australian government offices have installed squat toilets to better accomodate them. If they were serious about multiculturalism, why not designated shitting streets?

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