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Thursday, April 12, 2018

Not a wartime consigliere

Like the Tea Party, both Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan proved to be Congressional failures, if not frauds:
In the aftermath of the Democratic waves in 2008, Ryan, McCarthy, and Eric Cantor presented themselves to Republican voters as The Young Guns – a new generation of conservatives largely untainted by the poor decisions of the Bush Administration, ready to lead in a time when Republicans were downtrodden and Democrats ebullient about the possibilities of the Obama years. Of the three, only Ryan had something particularly interesting to say: he was a blue-eyed salesman for the cod liver oil of entitlement reform. And he achieved something truly amazing: he got Republicans, at least for a time, to grasp that third rail. They voted for his reform plans reluctantly at first, but once they discovered the “throw granny off a cliff” ads had little power, their cowardice gradually dissipated.

Ryan was the most important Republican in Washington from 2009 to 2016. He now seems like a throwback from a bygone era, when voters expected their politicians to be straight-laced, honest, and sincere. He was serious, and dedicated himself to trying to tell stories to the American people about the fiscal direction of the country – stories which voters mostly ignored because they always seemed to involve hard news and histograms. Wisconsin nice and a truly decent person, Ryan’s approach was doomed in an era that values none of those things. It values the ferocity, the abandon of confrontational politics, not grand bargains and compromise.
We'll see if the same proves to be true of Kevin McCarthy or not. Ryan seemed to start off well enough, but he rapidly disappeared into the weeds of cuckservatism and rendered himself irrelevant even before he became an ineffectual candidate for Vice-President. He proved to be timid and feckless non-leader in a time of intensifying cultural war.

And while I always thought it was unattractive, doesn't the ticket of Romney-Ryan look even more ludicrous in hindsight than it did at the time? Even if Ryan is not being retired at the God-Emperor's behest due to a Dennis Hastert-style problem.

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Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2018 8:30 AM  

> ...doesn't the ticket of Romney-Ryan look even more ludicrous in hindsight than it did at the time?

Not really, at least not to me. But then my tolerance for GOP stupidity in their candidates died when they selected Dole.

Blogger Steve April 12, 2018 8:45 AM  

doesn't the ticket of Romney-Ryan look even more ludicrous in hindsight than it did at the time?

Johnnycab/Date-Rapist 2012

Blogger James April 12, 2018 8:49 AM  

"Like the Tea Party, both Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan proved to be Congressional failures, if not frauds:"

It's not correct to call it "the" Tea Party. There was more than one. And it's not fair to the well meaning but gullible people who supported the various Tea Parties in good faith but got sold out by unscrupulous con artists who just wanted money when they were not engaging in outright political subversion. If Trump turns out to be a mole and a double agent and an agent provocateur in the employ of George Soros, are you going to call the people who supported him in good faith "frauds?"

I say this as someone who never trusted the Tea Part(ies) as organizations, but that was mostly because I don't trust nobody, especially when they try to get out in front of a parade to lead is somewhere.

Blogger KBuff April 12, 2018 8:50 AM  

His attempt to throw Trump under the Access Hollywood bus was the end for me.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 12, 2018 8:54 AM  

... doesn't the ticket of Romney-Ryan look even more ludicrous in hindsight than it did at the time?

At the time, it looked to me like deliberately throwing the election, with a side of FU to the base. It still does.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 8:58 AM  

It's not correct to call it "the" Tea Party. There was more than one. And it's not fair to the well meaning but gullible people who supported the various Tea Parties in good faith but got sold out by unscrupulous con artists who just wanted money when they were not engaging in outright political subversion.

Of course it is fair. The Tea Partiers were full of cuckservative posturing from the start. Why do you think I called BS on it right away and refused to jump on that bandwagon? Those well-meaning people were more concerned about not being racist and being seen as good people who picked up after themselves than they were about taxes or anything else.

The original Tea Party left a huge mess behind and was willing to fight. The "Tea Partiers" were all frauds with no legitimate claim to the name they were using. Every single last one of them, not just the con artists.

Blogger OGRE April 12, 2018 9:02 AM  

Ryan's a pimp.

With majorities in the House and Senate, a favorable Supreme Court, and a President who campaigned on reversing Obamacare, Ryan puts forth a health care reform bill so weak that his own party can't support it. Thats either abject incompetence, or somebody is pulling his strings.

Anonymous Anonymous April 12, 2018 9:12 AM  

One thing that has truly struck me over the past just under 16 months Trump has been POTUS is a) how much he's gotten done and b) how worthless most of our political class is (though that can really be traced back to '16).

We want fighters in DC, not Marquis de Queensbury weenies. Ryan's time has come and passed.

It's still surreal we are already in '18. Time flies when you're having fun.

What a great time to be alive!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 12, 2018 9:17 AM  

Cuckservatism the sound of many pillows being bitten.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 9:27 AM  

"The "Tea Partiers" were all frauds with no legitimate claim to the name they were using. Every single last one of them, not just the con artists."

Before he founded the John Birch Society, Robert Welch belonged to and/or supported many supposedly patriotic organizations. But he managed to figure out that they were not cutting the mustard.
When he recruited for his new organization of course he touted the superiority of his new JBS, but I can't recall him calling the rank & file members of the older effete obsolete organizations "frauds, every single last one of you." I'm not afraid to tell the Tea Party supporters they are seriously lagging on the learning curve compared to where they need to be, but it seems to me that whatever it was that motivated them to support the Tea Part(ies) is what I as an ultra hard core ultra nationalist
want to tap in to and communicate with. If they really are frauds in their heart then of course there's no point in even talking to them.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 9:33 AM  

Hey Vox, I think you're confusing cases of ignorance and stupidity and gullibility and a general sheepish nature with being a conscious and deliberate fraud. If you were really as smart as you say you are, you'd realize that most people ain't nearly as smart as you are. Also, can't you see the problem that was the Tea Part(ies) is similar to the problem now with Trump, that many people don't trust him the same way they didn't trust the Tea Part(ies)? Frankly I don't blame people for not trusting Trump because we've all been burned so many times.

Blogger Starboard April 12, 2018 9:33 AM  

If only Ryan had a majority in the house, he could have gotten it done.

If only Ryan had a majority in the senate to back him up, he could have gotten it done.

If only Ryan had a republican president, he could have gotten it done.

If only Ryan had a Bigger majority in the house, he could have...

So many excuses, so few accomplishments.

Blogger Johnny April 12, 2018 9:39 AM  

We used to have a liberal tradition in the good sense here in Wisconsin. Guys who really meant it and weren't just trying to line their pockets. "Fighting" Bob La Follette was the most famous and cast a long shadow over our politics. Then there was old Joe McCarthy of MaCarthyism fame.

During the Irish potato famine period there was a food shortage in central Europe and Wisconsin picked up a lot of socalist types who had to leave owing to revolutionary activity. Mostly urban works of one sort or another. Milwaukee was dominated by German expats.

The Wisconsin guy who wants the top office is Governor Scott Walker. Kind of like low energy Jeb Bush, he doesn't get crowds excited. I am guessing a Romney-Walker ticket would run a respectable and losing campaign.

Blogger Lazarus April 12, 2018 10:03 AM  

If you were really as smart as you say you are, you'd realize that most people ain't nearly as smart as you are.

"Most People Are Idiots" not good enough for you?

Blogger Bobiojimbo April 12, 2018 10:06 AM  

It's easy enough to sum up: results matter.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 10:10 AM  

""Most People Are Idiots" not good enough for you?"
The issue was calling stupid ignorant gullible people "frauds." In my experience truly stupid people don't make good con artists. I like clarity and I like an accurate diagnosis. If people are just pretending to be stupid, like a fox, that's different from raw stupid.

Blogger Johnny April 12, 2018 10:14 AM  

Somebody did a study and found out that stupid people are often more confident in their opinions than smart people. They are spared self knowledge in their limitations and don't worry the details.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2018 10:31 AM  

The Tea Party Movement was the last gasp of Boomer Respectable Conservatism. Boomer conservatism lost. Boomer Conservatism was used to losing. Boomer Conservatives had lost their entire lives. Boomer Conservatives expected to lose, and were okay with losing.

Blogger Sambuca Ford April 12, 2018 10:51 AM  

Losing a humiliating debate to an incompetent relic named Joe Biden ended Ryan's career six years ago. The next crop of Young Guns better be packing them.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 10:53 AM  

"The Tea Party Movement was the last gasp of Boomer Respectable Conservatism. Boomer conservatism lost. Boomer Conservatism was used to losing. Boomer Conservatives had lost their entire lives. Boomer Conservatives expected to lose, and were okay with losing"

Or, maybe you got it exactly ass-backwards. Maybe the Tea Party was the first gasp of what comes after Boomer Conservatism. Maybe that's why it looks stupid to us, because it's a stupid baby who doesn't really know nothing about the world yet, and all it knows is that it's pissed off about not being safe in its womb anymore. I mean, who the hell do you think voted for Trump, for crying out loud? When people like Sarah Palin endorsed Trump, a lot of people who had been interested in the Tea Party decided that Trump was a good next step. Gee whiz and criminy sakes, man, what is with you people?

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 11:38 AM  

7. OGRE April 12, 2018 9:02 AM
Ryan's a pimp.
...
or somebody is pulling his strings.



if someone else is pulling his strings, he's the streetwalking whore, not the pimp.


8. Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 12, 2018 9:12 AM
We want fighters in DC, not Marquis de Queensbury weenies.


Queensbury rule guys ACTUALLY FIGHT.

that's the problem with the congressional Republicans. they have demonstrated that they only "value" they hold is that they will NOT fight.

whether or not Trump is as ideologically pure as we might wish, or even if he really is a Paid Putin Puppet, his greatest value has been in demonstrating how utterly corrupt the Republican establishment is.

it's not JUST that there are a bunch of child molesters at the top. it's that they also have no intention of accomplishing any of the goals which the voters wanted.



20. James April 12, 2018 10:53 AM
When people like Sarah Palin


Palin was decent enough at public speaking. but i was done with her when she asserted that people shouldn't be "allowed" to call her baby a retard.

it's perfectly fine to say that it's cruel, that you don't appreciate it, that "my hubby might beat you up for saying that", etc.

but no one with any interest in the Constitution would assert that *I* don't have a Right to use those words.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 11:56 AM  

Hey Vox, I think you're confusing cases of ignorance and stupidity and gullibility and a general sheepish nature with being a conscious and deliberate fraud.

That's nice. You're wrong.

If you were really as smart as you say you are, you'd realize that most people ain't nearly as smart as you are.

I am precisely as smart as I say I am. I do not exaggerate. Although in truth, my applied IQ probably exceeds my measured IQ since spacial relations are not concerned here.

Also, can't you see the problem that was the Tea Part(ies) is similar to the problem now with Trump, that many people don't trust him the same way they didn't trust the Tea Part(ies)?

That's not the problem, and since you are less intelligent than I am, you are completely failing to grasp the point that I have repeatedly made.

All of the Tea Partiers were frauds. All of them. Every single last one of them. They were, of their own knowledge and volition, stealing the valor of American predecessors who were willing to make a mess, fight, and do actual damage to their enemy. They tried to claim the mantle of people willing to do things they were not themselves willing to do.

You are trying to defend them of that charge of fraud and stolen valor by appealing to an irrelevancy. Now, I agree that they were also suckered, but that is not the fraud that I have been referring to from the start. And yes, I am aware you didn't realize that, because I am precisely as intelligent as I say I am.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 11:58 AM  

The issue was calling stupid ignorant gullible people "frauds."

They were stupid, ignorant, and gullible people. They were also frauds guilty of stolen valor.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 12:01 PM  

The Tea Party Movement was the last gasp of Boomer Respectable Conservatism.

Bingo.

Gee whiz and criminy sakes, man, what is with you people?

We prefer 300 wolves to 100,000 cowardly sheep who will cuck and run the moment they meet even the faintest resistance.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira April 12, 2018 12:11 PM  

Iddu è figghiu di putana. Nun pozzu lamintari.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira April 12, 2018 12:12 PM  

*godfather music plays*

Blogger cheddarman April 12, 2018 12:23 PM  

James, we are in a knife fight for the survival of Western Civilization. Man up and actually fight, or shut up.

Blogger S1AL April 12, 2018 12:28 PM  

To be fair to Paul Ryan (yes, I threw up a little writing that) he never wanted the job and taking it appears to have completely broken his energy. He probably would have been widely regarded as a fine Representative if he had refused the gavel.

There's a lesson there.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 12:33 PM  

"James, we are in a knife fight for the survival of Western Civilization. Man up and actually fight, or shut up."

I think it's stupid to "fight" the Tea Party rank & file as if they were Antifa. Mocked for their shortcomings and criticized if they don't wise up, but calling every last person who sympathized with the Tea Party a fraud is not effective rhetoric for the alt right nationalist movement in my arrogant know it all opinion.

Blogger OGRE April 12, 2018 12:41 PM  

@21 Pimp refers to one who procures people for the benefit of others. While it is most often associated with prostitution it can be used derogatorily to refer to a similar relationship even absent a sexual component. My claim is that Ryan was used to corral conservatives and Tea Partiers into a safe and neutered role; thus, pimp is an accurate insult to apply. It is also a further reference to the Godfather film just as is Vox's title to this post; hence it is doubly appropriate.

But thanks for yet again offering unneeded corrections to rhetorical flourishes. We all greatly appreciate your ceaseless contributions.

Blogger Uncle Max April 12, 2018 12:43 PM  

No bueno slamming the TP like that. The one I was a member of and had about 1000 members in the DFW area (TX) was completely kneecapped by the IRS. The IRS demanded all the names and address/ph/email, forum access... everything for the group when they put in the paperwork for being a non-profit. The IRS put heavy pressure and we disbanded. Everything. The leaders refused to comply with the IRS demands. That crap that Obama pulled worked like a charm, and that those tactics are just brushed off as a clown show is not accurate.

There was no " Tea Party " nationally. There were GOPe moles immediately and they tried their best to negate the movement and then the IRS was playing games on the other side. I got the impression that several charlatans jumped up and declared themselves TP just to take in money and try to ride a wave... but the movement was real, and without the IRS pressure to defund , I think a lot of the movement would have born more fruit before Trump. Trump was Tea Party candidate..

I'm laughing at all the jerks that are quitting b/c of our election of Trump. Folks that would have stuck around a long time. Look at all the resignations at State and DOJ and FBI... it's only going to improve. Things are VERY Tea Party-ish and getting better daily. #MAGA

Blogger Dyspeptic April 12, 2018 12:45 PM  

"We'll see if the same proves to be true of Kevin McCarthy or not"

No need to wait on that one. McCarthy is just another in a long line of feckless Retardpublican surrender monkeys.

"He proved to be timid and feckless non-leader in a time of intensifying cultural war."

And by far the biggest fiscal fraud in contemporary American politics.


Blogger James April 12, 2018 12:46 PM  

"To be fair to Paul Ryan (yes, I threw up a little writing that) he never wanted the job and taking it appears to have completely broken his energy. He probably would have been widely regarded as a fine Representative if he had refused the gavel. There's a lesson there"

Why is it OK to be fair to Paul Ryan, a professional politician who can reasonably be expected to know the score when it comes to politics, including Realpoliticks, and Tea Partiers who to a large extent didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to politics, much less Realpolitick? You're all really going to hold up non-political common people to a higher standard than a high ranking professional career politician like the Speaker of the House? "Stupid" is what it looks like to me, I don't care how smart you guys think you are. Stupid as in devoid of common sense.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 12:49 PM  

"The one I was a member of and had about 1000 members in the DFW area (TX) was completely kneecapped by the IRS."

Nope. You were frauds and traitors in cahoots with the IRS pretending to be Americans. Every last one of you. And your little dogs too. And the horses you rode in on.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 1:01 PM  

I think it's stupid to "fight" the Tea Party rank & file as if they were Antifa. Mocked for their shortcomings and criticized if they don't wise up, but calling every last person who sympathized with the Tea Party a fraud is not effective rhetoric for the alt right nationalist movement in my arrogant know it all opinion.

Of course it's not effective rhetoric, James. It's not rhetoric at all. It's dialectic. And I'm not "fighting" the Tea Party. I am accurately describing them. If you want pats on the head for effort and good intentions, you're on the wrong site.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 1:14 PM  

"I am accurately describing them"

And I think you're not accurately describing them. I think your use of the term "fraud" is rhetoric because it is not based on provable fact, but is instead rather used for the purpose of emotional manipulation. "Fraud" doesn't mean they are cowards. "Fraud" means that they knowingly and deliberately worked for purposes the opposite of what they claimed to be working for. Not just hypocrites like the SDS guys back in the 1960's who joined because they thought they could to get laid, but willful operatives dedicated to undermining the goals that the Tea Party claimed to stand for. I flat ass don't believe that and I don't believe you have solid evidence for that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2018 1:20 PM  

The Tea Party claimed the mantle of the Founders, but were unwilling to fight. The founders backed their politics with rifles, muskets, artillery and warships. Many of them died. Tea Partiers were unwilling to even fight the IRS by way of lawsuit or publicizing the abuse.
That's the fraud, Pinkie.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 12, 2018 1:21 PM  

Ryan suffered from Good GOP Loser syndrome. More concerned about appearing "nice" than with winning.

The Left is going to squeal under ANY circumstances. Unless you're totally ineffective. Embrace their hate as proof that you have an effect.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 1:27 PM  

I think your use of the term "fraud" is rhetoric because it is not based on provable fact, but is instead rather used for the purpose of emotional manipulation. "Fraud" doesn't mean they are cowards. "Fraud" means that they knowingly and deliberately worked for purposes the opposite of what they claimed to be working for.

No. Fraud means they claimed to be something they are not. Which is indubitably true.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 1:57 PM  

28. S1AL April 12, 2018 12:28 PM
and taking it appears to have completely broken his energy.



you remember that Ryan was hand picked to be Speaker by John Boehner, right?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/09/25/john-boehner-crying-emotional-speaker-house/72799814/

now, what did Ryan have to do in order to assure Crybaby Boehner that he would be a 'trustworthy' successor to the work that John and Denny Hastert had been doing?



30. OGRE April 12, 2018 12:41 PM
But thanks for yet again offering unneeded corrections to rhetorical flourishes. We all greatly appreciate your ceaseless contributions.



feel free to ignore them.

Blogger S1AL April 12, 2018 2:12 PM  

"now, what did Ryan have to do in order to assure Crybaby Boehner that he would be a 'trustworthy' successor to the work that John and Denny Hastert had been doing?"

Be handsome, polite, respectable, and completely incapable of the task at hand.

Blogger S1AL April 12, 2018 2:16 PM  

"Why is it OK to be fair to Paul Ryan, a professional politician who can reasonably be expected to know the score when it comes to politics, including Realpoliticks, and Tea Partiers who to a large extent didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to politics, much less Realpolitick?"

Don't be such a whiny bitch. I didn't say anything about the tea party. My experience with the people who were involved or supported it is that they were well-intentioned but deceived. They'll serve as a perpetual example of why playing nice with the Left is a loser's game.

Blogger Rez Zircon April 12, 2018 2:35 PM  

Kevin McCarthy came up in what was then my district in SoCal. He rapidly became notorious in the state legislature for reliably voting against any bill that involved spending taxpayer money, and he stuck to his guns even as the occasional lone voice of fiscal sanity in a state gone mad.

So based on observation, I'd trust him a lot further than most, both for doing his job as a representative of We The People, and as being relatively corrosion-resistant.

Expect him to someday run for president, and absent a next-generation God Emperor, as things stand right now he'd get my vote.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 12, 2018 2:52 PM  

The Tea Party were ineffectual posers, sure - but frauds? Simply because they used the name of the Tea Party?

By that standard practically every sports team in America would be considered frauds. Even the Vikings.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 12, 2018 3:09 PM  

I saw the Tea Party in Alaska. It might have been effective, but the State GOP establishment shut them down.

VD wrote:Of course it's not effective rhetoric, James. It's not rhetoric at all. It's dialectic. And I'm not "fighting" the Tea Party. I am accurately describing them. If you want pats on the head for effort and good intentions, you're on the wrong site.

The Tea Partiers were cucks, mostly. The leadership were all GOP moles or frauds, but the rank and file were all cucks. The cucks played into the hands of the frauds, but they never set out to be part of the fraud. The decent Tea Partiers woke up and turned Alt-Right, the rest are still cucks.

VD wrote:No. Fraud means they claimed to be something they are not. Which is indubitably true.

I think the cucks honestly thought they were doing something good, and by golly, their rallies didn't leave any litter behind, and nobody was going to call them racist! The leadership were frauds, and the rest were fools. Some of the fools got over their foolishness.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 4:27 PM  

"Don't be such a whiny bitch. I didn't say anything about the tea party. My experience with the people who were involved or supported it is that they were well-intentioned but deceived. They'll serve as a perpetual example of why playing nice with the Left is a loser's game."

No, you didn't mention the tea party, I just thought you might be able to explain the answer to my question. I have no sympathy for Paul Ryan, but I do have sympathy for the well meaning non-politicians who got attracted to what the Tea Party claimed to be selling.

I've been non-professionally involved in politics since I was about 12 years old and one thing I've learned is that most people don't know jack friggin' squat about politics, what it's about or how it really works or what the hell is really going on with it. One reason for that is because most people have not read "The Prince" by Machiavelli. I knew that nobody in politics could be trusted but how could the average normal dweeb have any idea?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2018 4:38 PM  

@37 Snidely Whiplash
The Tea Party claimed the mantle of the Founders, but were unwilling to fight.
---

Back in the day I was sniffing around the Tea Party. They seemed ok. But the whole episode of them being accused of spitting on some black guy, and their reaction, told me immediately they didn't really want to fight.

They cucked from the get go.

Blogger James April 12, 2018 4:43 PM  

"decent Tea Partiers woke up and turned Alt-Right, the rest are still cucks."
That makes sense; if only VD had said something like that I wouldn't have bothered everyone. I'm no apologist for the Tea Party, I always found them naïve. But "fraud" makes it sound like they had some idea what was going on and what they were doing.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 12, 2018 4:57 PM  

Fraud implies an intent to actually deceive that simply wasn't there. Tea Partiers never presented themselves as fighters, they (we) were idiots hoping for peaceful electoral resistance to an anti-American agenda.

But the Tea Party rank and file was no more fraudulent than a kid wearing a Halloween costume. Vox has gone full Thermian on this one.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2018 5:03 PM  

"Please, Vox, stop saying mean things about me and my Boomer friends. We just wanted to ask that the Left change its tune. Just a little."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 12, 2018 6:26 PM  

James wrote:"decent Tea Partiers woke up and turned Alt-Right, the rest are still cucks."

That makes sense; if only VD had said something like that I wouldn't have bothered everyone. I'm no apologist for the Tea Party, I always found them naïve. But "fraud" makes it sound like they had some idea what was going on and what they were doing.


I have no idea what Vox was trying to say. I just reported what I remember seeing. The Tea Party was pretty worthless at best.

Blogger CoolHand April 12, 2018 6:53 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:The decent Tea Partiers woke up and turned Alt-Right, the rest are still cucks.

THIS.

I went to the first big TP rally in the state capital, there were about 5k people there, I'd estimate about 30% of them armed, many openly, some (like myself) concealed.

The speakers spoke, they didn't say anything I hadn't already heard, we picked up our trash and went home, then later we elected about half dozen fairly hard core reps to the US House, and one really old GOPe senator.

After that poor showing, I washed my hands of the "movement", as it was clear that they weren't actually going to move anything after all.

I got off the TP train long before the charlatans showed up to bilk the old folks out of donation money, but I wasn't at all surprised when the whole thing devolved into a huckster driven shitshow.

Being repeatedly ejected from more and more rightward leaning groups for being "too extreme" has landed me here amongst you lot of grumpy old men and reprobates.

Feels good to be home.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 12, 2018 6:55 PM  

@52 Spot on.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 8:13 PM  

Fraud implies an intent to actually deceive that simply wasn't there. Tea Partiers never presented themselves as fighters, they (we) were idiots hoping for peaceful electoral resistance to an anti-American agenda.

That's nonsense. They were dressing like American Revolutionaries, carrying guns around, and waving signs saying things like "Party Like It's 1776".

They were frauds and I knew it at the time.

Blogger Bill Quick April 12, 2018 11:02 PM  

I hope Steve Scalise has at least a shot at taking the top slot....

Blogger Bill Quick April 12, 2018 11:05 PM  

Never mind. I see Scalise has announced he won't oppose the awful McCarthy.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 12, 2018 11:16 PM  

The original Tea Party attendees dressed up like Indians, but they didn't take scalps or eat any still-beating hearts. They just dumped some dry goods into the harbor.

Vastly more effective than the contemporary Tea Party, sure - but equally guilty of masquerading as something that they indisputably were not.

Blogger David Rohm April 12, 2018 11:29 PM  

“I think it's stupid to "fight" the Tea Party rank & file as if they were Antifa.”

Which is why conservatism hasn’t conserve a thing and why the left gained the upper hand. “‘Tis not proper to fight amongst each other and insult your opponent”.

In case you haven’t noticed, that doesn’t work any longer, if it ever did. Do you think it’s somehow different this time?

Blogger Jack Amok April 13, 2018 3:31 AM  

Boomer Conservatives expected to lose, and were okay with losing.

Boomer Conservatives grew up when conservative was un-hip, un-cool, and straight outta squaresville, Daddy-O. Can you dig it, man?

Of course they wanted to lose - they're members of their generation first.

Blogger Jack Amok April 13, 2018 3:38 AM  

The Tea Party and the Occupy movement were rebellions within each party against the Bankster bailouts in '08-'09. The party establishments quickly co-opted both of them. The actual rebels, as Ominous Cowherd said, moved on when they saw that happening.

So now we have the Alt-Right and Antifa. One of which has been re-co-opted...

Blogger Dirk Manly April 13, 2018 6:04 AM  

@31

[Tall of Tea Party IRS woes deleted]

If the Tea Party groups had any interest in living up to their names, every IRS office in the country would have been turned into ruble.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 13, 2018 6:10 AM  

@44

"The Tea Party were ineffectual posers, sure - but frauds? Simply because they used the name of the Tea Party?"

Let me get this straight -- you're saying that the Tea Partiers were posers, but not frauds.

That, my friend, is what is called a distinction without a difference.

Poser = Fraud = Poser

Blogger Dirk Manly April 13, 2018 6:16 AM  

"Tea Partiers never presented themselves as fighters, "


Good God, did you sleep through all of 1st and 2nd grade?

The entire NAME Tea Party invokes the spirit of willing to engage in face to face combat with bladed weapons.... and having the guts, confidence,
and determination to pull it off without so much as
suffering a single injury due to enemy resistance.
ALL OVER A a tax of 5/1000.

The Modern Tea Party:
"Fill out this Tax Paperwork!"
"Run away! Run away! Run Away!"

If the Tea Party had lived up to it's name, every single IRS office sending those demand letters would have been burned to the ground.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 13, 2018 6:42 AM  

@57

"The original Tea Party attendees dressed up like Indians, but they didn't take scalps or eat any still-beating hearts. They just dumped some dry goods into the harbor. "


A British East India company ship was large enough to sale around the South African Cape without sinking in the weather, and therefore, could carry a very substantial cargo. And until it's unloaded, it's under armed guard, especially in port where the locals are pretty pissed off at the government which gave them their business charter.

Now, you come onto the dock for one of these ships disguised (very poorly) as "an Indian," carrying a menacing weapon (tomahawk), against guards who, if not carrying bayonetted muskets themselves, can summon them rather quickly by just yellling.

You don't think they were risking LETHAL combat?

Let's just say that it's for the good of everybody involved that the dock guards in Boston on that night decided not to fight.

By the way, there were at least ten "Tea Parties" at ports from Maine all the way down to the Carolinas. Every single one of them involved physical confrontation to get at, and destroy the valuable tea shipments.

Although there was no notable violence, each one of them risked sparking another "Boston Massacre" sort of situation.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 13, 2018 6:45 AM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly April 13, 2018 6:46 AM  

@60

"So now we have the Alt-Right and Antifa. One of which has been re-co-opted..."

Any political movement needs money. Where do the "downtrodden" of a leftist movement get their funds from?

You see, that right there is exactly why every leftist movement STARTS OUT CO-OPTED FROM SQUARE ONE.

Blogger James April 13, 2018 10:21 AM  

"“I think it's stupid to "fight" the Tea Party rank & file as if they were Antifa.”
"Which is why conservatism hasn’t conserve a thing and why the left gained the upper hand. "

There's a yuuuge difference between mocking the Tea Party for being ineffective and fighting against them as if they were Antifa or BLM or George Soros or Barbara Lerner Spectre. Isn't there? If not then explain it to me using more than canned self evident truisms like "conservatism ain't conserved nothing." I'm a big fan of Sun Tzu, and he said we should endeavor to know our enemies and know ourselves if we wanted to achieve victory. (Infogalactic says this about Sun Tzu:"His birth name was Sun Wu, and he was known outside of his family by his courtesy name Changqing. The name Sun Tzu by which he is best known in the West is an honorific which means "Master Sun".)

I'm questioning whether lumping the Tea Party RANK & FILE MASSES in with George Soros makes sense. I don't see it my self so I'm asking for an argument to support the notion, but all I get is snark and snide but no solid explanations.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2018 8:51 PM  

@James,
Conservatism exists solely to neuter the Right. Conservative ideology was bought and paid for by the CIA, it's not even debatable.
As an expression of Conservatism, the Tea Party existed and to the extent it still does, exists to derail any Rightward political movement into useless symbolic action. Any movement that boasts that it put Paul Ryan and Michelle Bachman in the House and Marco Rubio in the Senate is not serious about being of the Right.

Blogger James April 13, 2018 9:30 PM  

"Conservatism exists solely to neuter the Right."

I accept that a word must have a shared meaning in order to be useful. But I have to tell you that what they now call "alt-right" is more or less what I always believed in as an "ultra-paleo-conservative." I credit the "alt-right" with clarifying and solidifying my beliefs and convictions. Long ago I was weak against "free" trade, but otherwise I was nationalist and anti-anti-racist. So it would be hard for me to accept the idea that "ultra-paleo-conservatism" existed to subvert the "Right."

Blogger James April 13, 2018 9:33 PM  

"Paul Ryan and Michelle Bachman in the House and Marco Rubio"

Does the existence of Peter Popoff and Jimmy Swaggert and Jim & Tammy Baker and Elmer Gantry and Pope Francis prove that Christianity is nothing but fraudulent crooked bullshit? Maybe to you, maybe to most, but not to me. I am able to make distinctions.

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