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Saturday, April 28, 2018

Of criticism and envy

Here is something you should probably consider before resorting to the same stupid equation of criticism with envy that I have literally witnessed a certain type of individual making here on this blog for 15 years. It tells everyone that envy is a particular weakness of your own. In fact, when you criticize someone, or when you accuse someone of something, you are betraying information about yourself that others can read very clearly.

For some reason, this always seems to escape the gammas and the alphas of the world.

The strange thing, from my perspective, is that if you follow the logic of some of my critics, I should never criticize anyone for anything. If I criticize someone who is less well-known, then I am engaged in bullying and directed social media mobbing. If I criticize someone who is better-known, then I am merely exhibiting envy and am inspired solely by jealousy.

Now, what sort of individual habitually tries to set up this "heads I win, tails you lose" scenario? The delusional secret kings, of course. The telling thing, of course, is that there is never any attempt to even consider if the criticism is correct, let alone justified, it's always "do not pass go, do not collect $200, go direct to discredit and disqualify". It is pure gamma rhetoric.

There is literally not a single individual I have criticized, from PZ Myers to John Scalzi to George RR Martin to Ben Shapiro to Sam Harris to Richard Dawkins to Richard Spencer, of whom I have not been immediately accused of being jealous or envious.

As one observer recently noted:
Interesting to see the litany of tactics they used to try to discredit you or trick you into making a mistake. They go to them because against the average person they work very well. They're trying to bait you into something they can latch onto then discredit you.
But here is the thing. I've had different people attempting to use the same tactics for 15 years. They didn't work then. They won't work now. What these inept little anklebiters engaged on their never-ending crusade of futility do not grasp is that intellectual integrity is its own reward. To paraphrase Liam Neeson in Rob Roy, it is a man's gift to himself.

I am not saying that I am innocent of envy. But you do not understand me if you think I envy any e-celebrity, media figure, popular author, or talking head. You do not understand me at all.

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104 Comments:

Blogger Rabid Ratel April 28, 2018 6:15 AM  

Send these anklebiters to South Africa, together with the anti-gun types. Plenty of empty farms around here where they can be king of their own dung heap.

Blogger JC April 28, 2018 6:20 AM  

When I think envy and Vox Day, I think of Umberto Eco. But that is probably more deep admiration than envy.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 6:28 AM  

Vox,

This is interesting and it brings to mind your recent attack on Jordan Peterson’s stance on Jewish intelligence. Your tack is on the offense. There is no “Peterson is right, but on this issue” Peterson would of course be on the defensive in answering this charge. Peterson being a nominal ally is now ostracized. I am interested in your reasoning here.

Blogger James Dixon April 28, 2018 6:29 AM  

> When I think envy and Vox Day, I think of Umberto Eco.

Let's see. If I had to make some guesses, I'd say: Eco. Tolkien. Pele. And maybe Bolt. I think that's probably about it.

> But that is probably more deep admiration than envy.

There's a fine line between the two, so you could be correct.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 28, 2018 6:34 AM  

VD is envious of the God Emperor's hair.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 28, 2018 6:39 AM  

"In fact, when you criticize someone, or when you accuse someone of something, you are betraying information about yourself that others can read very clearly."

That feeling, when you say something and then go "hmmn, that may also apply to me..."

Yeah, if you have that feeling, you're not the first one to notice. Immediate reaction: Time to up my remain silent game.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 28, 2018 6:41 AM  

"This is interesting and it brings to mind your recent attack"

This is how we know you're being less than entirely honest.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 28, 2018 6:41 AM  

As soon as you said "attack".

Blogger Mr. Deficient April 28, 2018 6:44 AM  

Thank you for your explanation here, I always found something about the whole "hurr durr you must be jealous" thing off, but I never knew what it was. How is it related to the "if you dislike gay marriage you must secretly be gay" or "if you prefer monogamy or abstinence you must be a secret sexual freak"?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 28, 2018 6:46 AM  

"How is it related to the "if you dislike gay marriage you must secretly be gay" or "if you prefer monogamy or abstinence you must be a secret sexual freak"?"

Directly? It's exactly the same sort of thing.

If you want to dig deeper, the Bible doesn't name Satan "The Accuser" for no reason...

Blogger Anno Ruse April 28, 2018 6:57 AM  

Vox Day really, really, really wants you to know that He Just Doesn't Care.

Blogger Miguel April 28, 2018 7:00 AM  

"You do not understand me at all.


Just came to my mind: (Roxette music)

https://youtu.be/xy6be5evgtY
........

The remaining Gammas think that history begins with them. They - and only they - have noticed the things they accuse you of.

Blogger Johnny April 28, 2018 7:03 AM  

when you criticize someone, or when you accuse someone of something, you are betraying information about yourself...

Right now the talking head critics of Trump are a case study in self betrayal. I frankly can't stand to listen to the worst of them because they are such completely obnoxious people.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 28, 2018 7:06 AM  

It is amazing how common projection is. People are often unclear whether something is resonating with them logically or emotionally, before the argument even begins.

There is a deeper dishonesty though. Accusations like envy are intended to sting and derail rather than engage in any substantive way. The accuser just lacks the self-awareness to understand what their most painful charge really reveals.

Blogger Dave April 28, 2018 7:08 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"This is interesting and it brings to mind your recent attack"

This is how we know you're being less than entirely honest [As soon as you said "attack".]


Well, that and the thread from less than 24 hours ago to Jordan Peterson's milquetoast millennials where the most recent comments are the subject of the OP.

Blogger Johnny April 28, 2018 7:12 AM  

"How is it related to the "if you dislike gay marriage you must secretly be gay" or "if you prefer monogamy or abstinence you must be a secret sexual freak"?"

When true the usual clue here is excess intensity. It is not the person who dislikes homos, but is obsessive about it. We tend to overcompensate. Nobody is more sure than somebody who harbors doubts.

When it is not true it is changing the subject. The critic avoiding the issue by attacking the person. An ad hominem.

Blogger wreckage April 28, 2018 7:33 AM  

@5 As are we all, Pomade Be Upon Him.

Blogger Yemi Fawehinmi April 28, 2018 8:21 AM  

Seems Nassim Taleb is also done with Jordan Peterson. VD does really know how to spot them.

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/989984106325954561

Blogger Meimou April 28, 2018 8:24 AM  

Anno Ruse
Vox Day really, really, really wants you to know that He Just Doesn't Care

For someone who doesn't like VD you post here a lot.

OpenID nhinsnow April 28, 2018 8:34 AM  

Why the Hell would anyone come here without expecting to be criticized and to criticize others?

That's the best part about VD...your feelings are irrelevant in this venue.

Blogger Robert What? April 28, 2018 8:35 AM  

Dammit Vox, you're always copying me!

Blogger Lovekraft April 28, 2018 8:37 AM  

The looming disaster that self-serving social media confirmation bias is creating.

It brought in the unqualified Obama, it handicapped the public from reacting to the immivasion and muslim Pakistani rape gangs.

Flash mobs, brigading, twitter mobs, crisis actors etc are going to peak in a couple years and we here should look beyond it. When the emotions have cooled off, people will wonder where to go from there, and it will be an opportunity for the alt-right to step up.

I'm completely tired of the JQ which never, ever seems to be resolved. Just constant renewal of a debate that's pestered the non-Jew for hundreds of years. A drain on us all.

Disengagement/neutralization of their influence is my suggested goal that we work towards.

Blogger Lovekraft April 28, 2018 8:41 AM  

To elaborate on my last point above, has the answer to this already been provided but we are susceptible/flawed to seek new and better, thus explaining why it's constantly brought up?

I believe the former. The wisdom of the past versus the modern. It's up to us to reject the latter and point out tried and true.

Blogger Eze Garcés April 28, 2018 8:43 AM  

Well,the guy is criticizing you, he must be jealous

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 28, 2018 8:47 AM  

"Seems Nassim Taleb is also done with Jordan Peterson. VD does really know how to spot them."

Looking at the Peterson tweet that Taleb quoted, the majority of the replies are negative. Although one reply had an interesting take that perhaps he is running some sort of social experiment; not sure what self immolation proves though.
Taleb has integrity, Peterson gets Harris and Pinker.

On a not so unrelated note, I am going to miss Warski and JF.

Blogger Y. April 28, 2018 9:09 AM  

I agree in general with what you say (that people set up those unwinnable games), but I believe your problem is that you don't really know who you are or why you do things you do.

For example, from the CW perspective, it makes literally no sense to shit on Peterson. for your differences on Jewish question.

There is plenty of people shitting on him, about the entirety of left-ish media.

Don't get me wrong, he has a lot of flaws, but saying what you said about him because you have some not-so-solid reasons to believe Jewish IQ is 105 instead of 113.

It doesn't make sense. You're both in the same fight.

Do you truly know what motivates you? The problem of conscious human mind is that it's mostly in the business of rationalizing subconscious decisions.

Higher IQ you have, the better you are at doing so. Hence why Jewish left-wing intellectual are such a big problem. They can make themselves believe the weirdest fucking bullshit and then spread it to others.

To me it seems the degree of your animosity and vitriol directed at Peterson is unwarranted from a rational perspective. He has his flaws, lack of cynicism being the chief one. Rationalwiki has helpfully collected most of his fuck-ups in one place if anyone is curious.

He is justifiably massively more successful than you are. More charismatic, better spoken, probably somewhat more intelligent, infinitely better at public relations.

Sure, you get to be the Dread lord, he is a Sith whom you can't really attack without making yourself look quite foolish.

So there is reasons why the part of your soul that has the Devil's ear may want to make you hate him.

You're a Christian, why hate someone who is in the business of using evolutionary science for the purpose of making a rational case for christian virtues? Worst case, he converts some atheists into supporting socially conservative policies sympathetic to Christians.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 28, 2018 9:10 AM  

Academics are brittle.

Blogger Kudos The Lexecutioner April 28, 2018 9:12 AM  

Nice Rob Roy reference, Vox.

"Do you take [Vox] ENTIRELY for a Windsor?"

Great movie. Highly recommended.

Blogger Dave April 28, 2018 9:12 AM  

Meimou wrote:Anno Ruse

Vox Day really, really, really wants you to know that He Just Doesn't Care

For someone who doesn't like VD you post here a lot.


You're touching poop. The spam filter has yet to start grabbing that one's comments on the mobile version. On the desktop version you might say its shadowbanned.

Blogger Dave April 28, 2018 9:16 AM  

Yemi Fawehinmi wrote:Seems Nassim Taleb is also done with Jordan Peterson. VD does really know how to spot them.

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/989984106325954561


Obviously Taleb is green with envy.

Blogger tuberman April 28, 2018 9:17 AM  

"Let's see. If I had to make some guesses, I'd say: Eco. Tolkien. Pele. And maybe Bolt. I think that's probably about it."

Not Bolt, as Bolt is a heavy steroid user, and anyone who is use to seeing the muscle growth due to drugs knows that. Jamaicans are obviously being given a pass on the drug testing by the world controllers, much like the tennis sister steroid girls given a pass by the lesbos running female tennis.

Smart people admire others that show them greater range, art, and Truth far more than envy for them. Truth is the most important of these for public figures who reputation is formed on Truth, and JP has failed in that respect with just a close reading of his current talks on the JQ, and one should not even need VD's comments about them to know that. VD just nailed it better than I or most others could. Jordan's comments and doubling down were critical and needed to be addressed.

You can be a bit envious of Shakespeare, Eco, Tolkien, and even Pele, but admire them to a much greater degree.

Blogger MickDundee April 28, 2018 9:19 AM  

Nassim Taleb is great counter-example. He doesn’t take on the JQ directly, but he does undermine their (((agenda))) constantly... and does NOT virtue signal his anti-anti-semitism.

Also Taleb’s new book pretty much destroys the Holyhoax myth, proving the 10x inflation of casualties. Again, Taleb does it without being indirect, letting the reader reach the logical conclusion.

Blogger tuberman April 28, 2018 9:38 AM  

31. MickDundee

You can be accused of "virtue-signaling" by taking any side of this and I'm sure Taleb can and will be accused of being anti-semitic and/or virtue-signaling. How does this relate to VD's comments on JP? Are you saying he was virtue-signaling? Just need you to say what you mean straight out.

The position of a low-trust culture abusing a high-trust culture is important and is not "virtue signaling," as it answers tons of questions without stereotypes.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 9:41 AM  

@25 (((Y)))

"Don't get me wrong, he has a lot of flaws, but saying what you said about him because you have some not-so-solid reasons to believe Jewish IQ is 105 instead of 113."


Uh, look, moron/shill, VD showed the math demonstrating how he arrived at the true figure. But you still cling to the false one, even though the very first step of his proof was to show WHY the false one is false.

YOU need to go back.


Blogger Matt April 28, 2018 9:43 AM  

Thanos is hardcore.

Blogger English Tom April 28, 2018 9:48 AM  

Maybe he is projecting!

Blogger FUBARwest April 28, 2018 9:54 AM  

Is it normal for gammas and alphas to react to things the same way?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 28, 2018 10:09 AM  

Vox actually told me that the one person he envies in this world is Austin Powers. Small hands, smells like cabbage.

Blogger dtungsten April 28, 2018 10:13 AM  

In fact, when you criticize someone, or when you accuse someone of something, you are betraying information about yourself that others can read very clearly.

Vox tells us this as a preface to defending his criticism of others. He's recently criticized Dr. Peterson of a lack of integrity.

The lesson is not that Vox values integrity in others and in himself. He flat out says that further on.

He's exemplifying the above, reinforcing the lesson.

He's also frustrated with the poor quality of his detractors, but that's nothing new.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 10:21 AM  

OT -- the first worthwhile column I've seen in the Weekly Standard... EVER

https://www.weeklystandard.com/pj-orourke/the-parallel-nyt-universe-where-hillary-is-president-and-yet-everything-is-still-terrible

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 10:38 AM  

@7 Wrong. It is an attack, I am not saying it is not justified, but I want to know the reasoning behind it.

Blogger Matthew April 28, 2018 10:40 AM  

FUBARwest wrote:Is it normal for gammas and alphas to react to things the same way?

Yes. The primary difference between them is whether they're attractive to females, secondarily the ability to read others' signals. Both are relentless status-seekers.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 28, 2018 10:46 AM  

40. Kallmunz

It's too bad he hasn't spelled out his reasoning in written form in public posts that you can read and engage. If he did, we'd be spared your disingenuous b.s.

Blogger Lovekraft April 28, 2018 10:47 AM  

O/T but wanted to share this recent James Wood tweet on Trump/North Korea.

He calls Obama's Nobel Prize a "Crackerjacks Peace Prize."

Talk about rhetoric.

https://i.imgur.com/HnyoK63.jpg

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 28, 2018 10:52 AM  

"I am not saying it is not justified, but I want to know the reasoning behind it."

If you read the post/s, you read the reasoning. I'm beginning to think that Alt-Retard has more consistency than Alt-Lite.

Blogger YclepedBobAli April 28, 2018 10:56 AM  

Ridiculous.

This comment board is a thicket of irrelevancies.

It's very simple.

Jordan claimed Jewish IQ explains Jewish supremacy. He said the quantum of American jews with an IQ >145 if you assume their average IQ is 115, explains their ludicrous statistical over-representations.

I linked Jordan to Voxes post of 22 April 18 which inarguably proves that Jews' average IQ is lower then 115, because: 115 is based on a ludicrous stack of unrepresentative subsets; 3 sd IQ hinders rather then helps vocational success; not all Jews are Ashkenazi, not all gentiles are fricken white etcetera.

I supplemented Vox with some of my own arguments based on the under representation of international populations >145 IQ competing with jews in international markets in the United States, like the Ivy League. That's even if you pretend these geniuses who import anti-semites then complain about rising anti-semitism really do have a 1 sd higher IQ on average.

The point is, all of this is true. But as Jordan and Vox have both identified, truth is of very little consequence these days.

Accordingly, Jordan, trapped in hell instead of America censored my post.

Vox saw Jordan's gratuitous insult towards the right (incompetents who can't navigate the world forthrightly etc) and criticised Jordan for his intellectual duplicity.

Vox has always said Jordan should simply avoid the politically thorny issue, as he must, by citing Canadian speech-rape laws.

To my mind, Vox as taken about as neutral a position as you can take. It also happens to be the right position, and the only position.

So why are there so many fannies spilling their mints?

Of course JD deserves criticism for censoring truth. That's axiomatic. He's a public intellectual whose esteem and profile is based precisely on brave truth-telling.

So Vox said to Jordan, don't lie, and don't insult the people telling the truth.

(!?)

What is the malfunction for all you Gomer Piles.

Having said that.

It's completely understandable why JP did it. I personally even support JP doing it if it means Trudeau can go back to Cuba. But it doesn't mean JP's censorship didn't kick me in the guts.

All very simple.

So what then has been achieved?

Jordan has proven his establishment bona fides by censoring truth as he is legally required to do in what for him is a peripheral field.

Jordan will carry on his work combating the left in domains equally as important to the Jewish question.

However the right can be assured that Jordan knows the truth. Having spent hours delving into Jordan with my brothers, I suspect Jordan will from now temper his criticisms of the right. Whether deliberately, or in accordance with fellow white person Y's helpful description of the operation of the subconscience.

Jordan knows Vox and I are correct. The knowledge may also, as Y put it with suspicious verbal acuity, mean Peterson on some 'subconscious' level draws back on his appropriation by the establishment.

However you regard it, Peterson being forced into a position of acknowledging the truth on the question of the Jews, then pragmatically censoring it, helps the right.

What of Vox?

Vox now has more traffic and (as if it was necessary) an even more enhanced reputation as a fearless substantive intellectual unafraid of third rail issues. I can promise Vox that he now has a larger audience with a lot of respect for him.

Peterson's school will now be aware of Vox's school, which is where those in the former with sufficient mettle will graduate.

Every-one has won.

Even me - I've got to larp as something impactful and effectual instead of a grocery clerk simply by linking two talented men the vagaries of life and personality have led down different paths.




Blogger YclepedBobAli April 28, 2018 10:57 AM  

I acknowledge fellow White Person Y. His post is quite helpful, whilst slyly suggesting the central issue of Jewish average IQ is somehow ambiguous. It isn't ambiguous. It unambiguously isn't any-where near 115. Thanks Y! It's also abundantly clear Vox doesn't 'hate' Peterson. Not via any circuitous subconscious byways. Not 'implicitly'. Not at all, in any sense.

It's easy to see Vox doesn't hate Peterson. No one has done anything emotive. Everything has been done entirely in accordance with the conditions acting upon all of the agents, including me.

Everyone should just concede the fact that the net result of the gross of everybody winning as I've described, is that it is now inevitable that the myth of Jewish average IQ supremacy will be dispelled. It's quite amazing how decrepit the myth is, which seems to have been lost somewhat in whatever correspondence has been flying to and fro.

As for people criticising Vox for standing for truth, what's wrong with you. That's what he does. That's his function. That's his brand. Vox is Cato the Younger.

So Vox fans, vote Peterson if you can, but Peterson fans, go study at Voxiversity.



Blogger Felix Bellator April 28, 2018 10:58 AM  

@40 Kallmunz, and people in hell want ice water. Go back and RTFPosts. I assume you can read ASCII text.

Blogger Johnny April 28, 2018 11:06 AM  

@25

>>Do you truly know what motivates you? The problem of conscious human mind is that it's mostly in the business of rationalizing subconscious decisions.

To put a finer point to it, it is subconscious decisions, but desires.

>>Higher IQ you have, the better you are at doing so. Hence why Jewish left-wing intellectual are such a big problem. They can make themselves believe the weirdest fucking bullshit and then spread it to others.

True of intellectuals in general. With regrettable frequency what you get is a more sophisticated line of BS.

The thing about secular Jewish intellectuals is that they don't have strong ties either to the gentile society they live in, nor their Jewish tradition. What the end up doing is inventing their own new set of cultural values, and then want to propagate those values as a general good idea for society. Freud and Marx come to mind.

Blogger Nakota Publishing April 28, 2018 11:17 AM  

Neal Stephenson once noted (I believe it was in his masterpiece novel Diamond Age) that in a time of moral relativism when no standard is better than any other, the only thing you can criticize someone for is hypocrisy. He also noted that just because someone falls short of their ideals (about the Neo-Victorians in the story) that doesn't invalidate the ideals. Perhaps this is a bit OT, but it to me it seems relevant to the matter at hand.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:21 AM  

@47 Fair enough. Since you have such understanding why are you incapable of answering a simple question?

Blogger Timmy3 April 28, 2018 11:24 AM  

At least you weren’t accused of being a latent homosexual. You’re gay, that’s why!

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:24 AM  

Why can't you read what has already been written, rather than demanding that a busy man spend time RE-writing what he wrote, just to cater to your refusal to read the available material?

In other words, stop being a Narcissistic jackass.

Blogger OGRE April 28, 2018 11:25 AM  

Y. wrote:
You're a Christian, why hate someone who is in the business of using evolutionary science for the purpose of making a rational case for christian virtues? Worst case, he converts some atheists into supporting socially conservative policies sympathetic to Christians.


VD was pretty clear that he was indifferent toward JP, not that he hated him.

But as to your point, JP poses a unique danger by doing that for which you praise him. For he attempts to offer an alternative source of meaning and virtue in the world other than that which arises through God. JP provides a path that is adorned with all the trappings of the Christian faith, but which does not lead to Christ. Thus some who could have been brought to Christ are led astray, and in a most insidious way. For the very things that should lead them to Christ--the search for truth and meaning, the inescapable call of morality, even the biblical stories themselves--JP uses these to lure people away from the ultimate truth.

To be fair, Molyneux poses a similar danger. Hes a bit more upfront about his attempt to craft meaning out of nothingness, but then again he doesn't rely on Christianity to do it.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. 1 John 4:2-3

Blogger Nathan April 28, 2018 11:25 AM  

Good post Vox. Respect.

Now if someone (dear Holy Spirit...) can just get you to see that God doesn't desire (take pleasure in) the death of the wicked.

Even as He, most definitely, *will not be swayed* from enacting the punishment they deserve.


Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:27 AM  

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Blogger pyrrhus April 28, 2018 11:28 AM  

O/T Gorsuch casts deciding vote overturning the deportation of a Fillipino burglar on a hyper-technicality...So much for "conservative" jurisprudence...https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2018/04/17/conservatism-the-hemlock-of-conservatives/

Blogger Brick Hardslab April 28, 2018 11:28 AM  

Ok I'll play, Rain, Lance from the backstreet boys, and Bruce Lee. Those are the guys vox envies.

Blogger John Wilson April 28, 2018 11:28 AM  

@50 Kallmunz, did you go read the posts that explain Vox's position? I am not responsible for your lack of comprehension if you did. I am not your research bitch if you did not.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:29 AM  

@52 It's a simple question. By your response you obviously know the answer. Why you run away from it is not so clear.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:31 AM  

@58 Yes I did. You seem to know the answer to a very simple question. So what is it? Just answer the question, and stop with the stupid comments.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:32 AM  

Did you, or did you NOT look at the previous posts from yesterday and the day before on the subject?

YES OR NO?

Per the rules of the blog, I am designating this as a direct question.

You need reply with EXACTLY one word.

No less, and no more. Simply a Yes or a No.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:33 AM  

@61 The answer to your question is Yes. See how easy that is? Answering simple questions is something that I find very easy. Why is it so hard you?

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 28, 2018 11:34 AM  

"Peterson's school will now be aware of Vox's school, which is where those in the former with sufficient mettle will graduate."

This graduation is a strenuous, painful journey. Try not to look down or back. I'm not all the way there. Not even sure I should be, but the intellectual, philosophical, and moral challenges along the way are why I'm here. Red pill indeed.

It's Vox's dojo. Try to listen, watch, and learn. Newcomers and outsiders who hastily jump in to spar don't fare very well, and don't last very long.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:36 AM  

Well, if you read the material, and you're still confused then either

1) Your education is deficient. You never learned math. The blog is not her to provide you with 10 credit hours of remedial math instruction

or

2) You're just not smart enough to be capable of understanding the discussion here, in which case, your best course of action would be to sit back, refrain from derfingerpoken, and watch das blinkenlights.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:38 AM  

@64 Well Dirk, fair enough. For the sake of argument I am an idiot. I am an idiot who asked a simple question. So Dirk, what's the answer?

Blogger Dave April 28, 2018 11:40 AM  

This graduation is a strenuous, painful journey.

Parts of the journey you must make alone, Kallmunz, I mean, grasshopper.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:41 AM  

It's been explained multiple times already.

Some concepts can only be dumbed-down so much before the dumbed-down version is merely a leaky rowboat compared to a titanium-hulled nuclear submarine.

The latter is resistant to all sorts of attack.
The former sinks all of its own accord.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:44 AM  

There is no "Idiot's Guide to Vox Day" because this blog is not for idiots.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:45 AM  

Really? Well Dirk I would like to answer the question. It's a simple one, do you think you can?

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 28, 2018 11:45 AM  

@Kallmunz.

So if we repost here the answer that is all over this blog, that you already read, what purpose does that serve?

If you disagree with the answer, or think it incorrect, why don't you point out and ask about specific weaknesses or errors in the answer?

Is it the math? Did Vox misquote or misrepresent something? Is there something specific you would like clarified? Point it out with some intellectual honesty and curiosity and maybe someone with respond in kind.

Otherwise this drive by, gotcha innuendo crap has already received more attention and response than it deserves. Its a schtick easily grown tired of and tries the patience and graciousness of the blog host and regulars.

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 28, 2018 11:47 AM  

Also, see @45. YclepedBobAli. Covers it nicely.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:48 AM  

@70 It's a simple question. I am amused that you do not want to answer it. Fair enough, simply answer the question and I'll let you off the hook. Give me the reason, and I'll drop it. One caveat, a stupid snarky comment is not an answer.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:50 AM  

"I'm just asking a question"

Yes, a question which has already been answered repeatedly.

SHUT UP, TROLL, before the mods spam-trap you, which will hinder your ability to post on any other blogspot comment section, too.

Blogger Dave April 28, 2018 11:51 AM  

The answer to your question is yes.

I mean no.

Wait, what was the question?

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 28, 2018 11:52 AM  

Okay, sorry, I think I stepped in some poop. I wasn't the fisrt, but now it's being smeared all over the place.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:53 AM  

@73 Since the question has been answered repeatedly, could you provide a link that I can read?

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:54 AM  

We are not your research staff

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 28, 2018 11:55 AM  

42

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 11:56 AM  

Your, "oh, poor me, I am too blind to remember what was written, I need a book written specifically for me, with a the name on cover embossed in a edge-to-edge field of pure gold-leaf" routine is as old as the internet.

You're not clever, you're just looking to get yourself spam-trapped.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 11:59 AM  

@79 Terribly amusing. Why don't you just admit you have no idea? Vox can speak for himself, he doesn't need you to protect him. I wouldn't expect you to know his reasoning, but it's amusing to see you posture.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 12:03 PM  

Not falling for it.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 12:04 PM  

Refusal to spend the time to write, once again, what has been explained thoroughly already is NOT evidence of lack of knowledge.

It is evidence that you are an asshole.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 12:08 PM  

Of course that's the best answer you could come up with. Do you really think you could fool me?

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 12:11 PM  

This conversation is done. I'm not wasting any more time with someone who is emotionally stuck at the same stage as a diaper-wearing toddler.

You have read EVERYTHING, yet you didn't modify your question.

You have been prompted to specifically state what you still don't understand -- yet you keep demanding an answer to the original question.

You admit that you're not smart enough to comprehend the answer... and yet you keep demanding an anser

It has been explained to you that it can't be dumbed down. Either you understand probability and statistics, or you don't. This is not our problem, it is yours.

Go felch yourself somewhere else.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 12:14 PM  

Dirk you are absolutely right. It's time for you to run away.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 28, 2018 12:35 PM  

@ 84. Dirk Manly

Xe is too stupid for this exchange. Might as well try and teach physics to a chimp.

Blogger VD April 28, 2018 1:03 PM  

Here is your answer, Kallmunz, since apparently you need things spelled out for you. I typed very slowly, just for you.

My attack is not on Jordan Peterson's stance on Jewish intelligence. My attack is a complete and conclusive demolition of the myth of Jewish intelligence. The fact that Jordan Peterson happened to to be foolish enough to again perpetuate the myth afterwards was mere coincidence. I don't believe Peterson is right about anything, mostly because I do not know his positions about almost anything except for a willingness to take money from Monsanto. He is most certainly not an ally of mine, nominal or otherwise. I have never had any contact with the man, I have never paid any attention to the man or his work, and more than a few of his connections and influences, such as Sam Harris and Stephen Pinker, appear to be dubious at best.

Blogger YclepedBobAli April 28, 2018 1:04 PM  

Kallmunz wrote:Dirk you are absolutely right. It's time for you to run away.

I explained above in as concise a summary as is possible. Alternatively or as a supplmenet read Vox's post from 22 April 18. There.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 1:19 PM  

"I typed very slowly, just for you."

Thank you Vox, in the future you should develop that habit.

Blogger VD April 28, 2018 1:25 PM  

Thank you Vox, in the future you should develop that habit.

Yes, because I'm turning out the books too fast and it makes sense to repeat myself every time some midwit can't keep up.

Come on.

Blogger FUBARwest April 28, 2018 1:30 PM  

Thanks. Learn multiple new things everytime I visit this blog.

Blogger Kallmunz April 28, 2018 1:39 PM  

Dude, clarification never hurt anyone. After all, you made a whole post on it.

OpenID markstoval April 28, 2018 1:46 PM  

"There is no "Idiot's Guide to Vox Day" because this blog is not for idiots."


Agreed, the blog is not for idiots. But for some reason, a lot of them show up here. Go figure.

Blogger Jail Cussox April 28, 2018 1:59 PM  

Who is Vox Day when he is not writing books, doing livestreams, or making blog posts?
Who is the Vox Day standing for elevating our intellectual integrity and critical thinking?
Who is the man vivisecting myths on his operating table?

The idea that I really don't know you at all gave me pause.

In that pause... I saw something.

A human being who is not acknowledged enough for who he is, what he is doing, and for the stand he has made and continues to make.

A human being needing no validation, and yet, is not acknowledged enough.

Acknowledged for what?
Only the wine confidante knows.

And to think... these addendums to your art are complimentary trainings. Vox Popoli. Darkstream. Voxiversity. They give me greater appreciation of your art.

Blogger James Dixon April 28, 2018 2:17 PM  

> Not Bolt, as Bolt is a heavy steroid user, and anyone who is use to seeing the muscle growth due to drugs knows that.

I stand corrected, and appreciate the correction.

> You can be a bit envious of Shakespeare, Eco, Tolkien, and even Pele, but admire them to a much greater degree.

Absolutely.

Blogger James Dixon April 28, 2018 2:22 PM  

> A human being who is not acknowledged enough for who he is, what he is doing, and for the stand he has made and continues to make.

There's a reason relatively intelligent, wealthy, and well educated people hang out here and even more read here (I may or may not classify as one of the three). That they do so is their silent acknowledgement of Vox's character and his work.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 28, 2018 3:20 PM  

Warped, also.

OpenID markstoval April 28, 2018 4:19 PM  

Totally off topic, but well worth a look:

"With Nixon in '68: The Year America Came Apart"

By Patrick J. Buchanan

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/04/patrick-j-buchanan/with-nixon-in-68-the-year-america-came-apart/

This short essay is an excel ant history refresher of that fateful year. More truth in those few paragraphs than a kid would get in 4 years at university.

April 28, 2018

Blogger Dirk Manly April 28, 2018 8:34 PM  

Kallman.....

-man almost always means (((Kallman))).

Blogger Were-Puppy April 28, 2018 9:28 PM  

@99

That reminds me of the old joke, what do you call the jewish spiderman?

(((Spiderman)))

Blogger Dirk Manly April 29, 2018 5:21 AM  

... and now comes the admission... but not in THIS thread, which would be the honest thing to do:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-i-dont-hate-jordan-peterson.html#c3078154507909544934

25. Kallmunz April 28, 2018 1:04 PM

Thanks Vox. Your reasoning is sound and I appreciate your clarification. I am somewhat guilty of trolling, but some of the commenters here just ask for it, serves them right for snarking when I've had too much brandy.


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Alcohol doesn't make you mean -- it merely reveals your true character when all your inhibitions are removed.

Blogger LP999-16 April 29, 2018 6:19 AM  


Hearing Culling the Cucks:

What is wrong with the host commenting upon, answering a question or making a observation based on stats, history reality, etc.,?

Vox is fair, honest and a truth seeker. Thankful the host contacted Stefan it might be a good talk at youtube but I would not know.

Perhaps Vox does this form of therapy to help others, he is a natural teacher and communicator not a hateful person that tears others to shreds via criticism. Vox is kind, fair and listens -

Why is a mere observation branded as hate speech or criticism or envy? A high IQ person is being misunderstood.

Blogger John Fuerst April 29, 2018 9:33 PM  

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