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Friday, April 20, 2018

Re-opening the closed door

How immigrants and their allies conspired to end the national origins system that made America great in the 20th century.
The demographic consequences of ending the open door cannot be known with certainty, since no one can be sure what immigration would have been in the absence of restriction. Demographer Leon Bouvier has estimated that, assuming no restriction and pre-war levels of one million a year for the rest of the century, the American population would have reached 400 million by the year 2000. This would have meant 120 million more American high-consumption lifestyles piled upon the roughly 280 million reported in the census of 2000, making far worse the dismal figures on species extinction, wetland loss, soil erosion, and the accumulation of climate-changing and health-impairing pollutants that are being tallied up as the new century unfolds.

The chief goals of the national origins system, shrinking the incoming numbers and tilting the sources of the immigration stream back toward northern Europe, were less decisively achieved. Numbers entering legally but outside the quotas (“non-quota immigrants,” mostly relatives of those recently arrived and Europeans entering through Latin American and Caribbean countries) surprised policymakers by matching and in time exceeding those governed by quotas. Yet with overall numbers so low, ethnic composition did not agitate the public.

International economic maladies, war, and the new American system of restriction had thus combined to reduce immigration numbers to levels more in line with the long course of American history, and to some observers seemed to have ended the role of immigration as a major force in American life. Apparently the nation would henceforth grow and develop, as Thomas Jefferson had preferred, from natural increase and the cultural assets of its people.

The curbing of the Great Wave created a forty-year breathing space of relatively low immigration, with effects favorable to assimilation. The pressures toward joining the American mainstream did not have to contend with continual massive replenishment of foreigners.

The new immigration system was widely popular, and the immigration committees of Congress quickly became backwaters of minor tinkering or inactivity. The 1930s arrived with vast and chronic unemployment, and the American people wanted nothing from immigration. War in Europe would bring unprecedented refugee issues, but dealing with these — or avoiding them — did not require any rethinking of the basic system for deciding on the few thousand people who would be given immigration papers.

But American immigration policy in the postwar years attracted a small but growing body of opponents. The political core of a coalition pressing for a new, more “liberalized” policy regime was composed of ethnic lobbyists (“professional immigrant-handlers,” Rep. Francis Walter called them) claiming to speak for nationalities migrating prior to the National Origins Act of 1924, the most effective being Jews from central and eastern Europe who were deeply concerned with the rise of fascism and anti-semitism on the continent and eternally interested in haven. Unable by themselves to interest many politicians or the media in the settled issue of America’s immigration law, these groups hoped for new circumstances in which restrictions could be discredited and the old regime of open doors restored. The arrival of the Civil Rights Movement thrust (racial) “discrimination” into the center of national self-examination. The enemy everywhere at the bottom of virtually every national blemish seemed to be Discrimination, the historic, now intolerable subordinating classification of groups on the basis of inherited characteristics. The nation’s national origins-grounded immigration laws could not escape an assault by these reformist passions, and critics of the national origins system found the liberal wing of the Democratic Party receptive to their demand that immigration reform should be a part of the civil rights agenda.

Who would lead, and formulate what alternatives? Massachusetts Senator John F. Kennedy cautiously stepped out on the issue in the 1950s, sensing that a liberalization stance would gather vital ethnic voting blocs for his long-planned run for the presidency. His work on a refugee bill caught the attention of officials of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, who convinced Kennedy to become an author of a pamphlet on immigration, with the help of an ADL supplied historian, Arthur Mann, and Kennedy’s staff. The result was A Nation of Immigrants, a 1958 bouquet of praise for the contributions of immigrants and a call for an end to the racist, morally embarrassing national origins system. The little book was initially ignored, but its arguments would dominate the emerging debate. The ADL, part of a Jewish coalition whose agenda included opening wider the American gates so that increasing U.S. ethnic heterogeneity would reduce the chances of a populist mass movement embracing anti-semitism, had made a golden alliance. John F. Kennedy was no crusader on immigration (or anything else), but he was an activist young President by 1961, comfortable with immigration reform as part of his agenda, elected on a party platform that pledged elimination of the national origins system.
What comes next? The USA is again on course to reach 400 million imperial subjects sometime between 2043 and 2051, depending upon which UN report you credit. Its population is unlikely to ever reach that size, of course, but it should be apparent that the forty-year breathing space created by the national origins system is the primary reason the empire has not collapsed already.

Barring a mass repatriation program for all post-1965 immigrants and their descendants, which appears extremely unlikely at the moment, the political breakup should begin by the early 2030s. Every empire is destroyed by immigration of one sort or another in the end, but it is the cultural decadence and lack of confidence that permits such immigration to take place that is the true cause of the collapse.

Had American politicians possessed the wisdom to arrest and deport the seditious ethnic lobbyists who agitated for ending the national origins system, the collapse of the empire would not be rapidly approaching. Now the necessary surgery is even more difficult and considerably less politically palatable. So, we can safely conclude that it will not be performed.

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76 Comments:

Blogger Nate April 20, 2018 11:42 AM  

just today I had some proggy type try to educate me... apparently multiculturalism is how civilizations advance.

We apparently advance our civilizations by importing people who don't know how to use toilets.

Fascinating. really.

Blogger Lazarus April 20, 2018 11:47 AM  

Even leaders of the patriotic societies seemed to sense the inevitability of some sort of retreat from national origins, and their opposition was not strenuous or skillful. The Senate floor manager of the bill, Senator Edward Kennedy, reported that in his meetings with several patriotic society representatives they “expressed little overt defense of the national-origins system” and indicated their willingness to consider a new framework so long as the numbers were not enlarged. Kennedy assured them that this was not the reformers’ intention, and it is clear from the legislative record that “the reformers consistently denied that they were seeking to increase immigration significantly,”

Leftist lies + conservative cucks = Leftist win. Nothing new under the sun.

Blogger Stilicho April 20, 2018 11:50 AM  

Arrest and deport? No. They would just return or use surrogates/fellow travelers/useful idiots. Arrest and HANG. Pour encourage Les autres. Far less bloodshed that way, but we missed our chance.

Blogger Daniel Bendele April 20, 2018 11:53 AM  

Maybe a Black Swan event like the coming financial crash will result in a sudden push to get them out? It's hard to imagine doing anything while things are "good", but I could see the mood shifting relatively quickly if an existential threat became reality.

OpenID dreadilkzee April 20, 2018 11:54 AM  

Left love to look at China and fail to realize, they have been smart and "learned" from the west so that they could learn to do. They didn't seek to come here till they realized we were putting our country up for sale. They will learn from our mistakes and this is why they are Wise. They will continue to be Nationalist and the Han will grow because we are to short sited to realize we do these migrants and injustice by letting them into our country instead of showing them how to fix their own.

Blogger Crew April 20, 2018 11:54 AM  

Perhaps when the more able of the immigrants realize that they will be on the hook for the pension promises enacted by the boomers they will abandon ship.

I wonder how many Chinese will continue to bring money to the US as well when they realize state and local governments are going to have to appropriate large amounts of wealth to pay the pension promises:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-20/war-between-public-pensioners-and-tax-donkeys-heating

Blogger Bogey April 20, 2018 11:55 AM  

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Blogger Jack Amok April 20, 2018 11:56 AM  

We apparently advance our civilizations by importing people who don't know how to use toilets.

People who don't know how to use toilets make people who don't know how to use socket sets feel better about themselves. And civilization is all about making losers feel better about themselves. It has nothing to do with indoor plumbing, electricity, or not raping children.

I mean, without immigration, we'd be stuck in the horrible 50's. I doubt they have a single plate of hummus at that BBQ.

Blogger Amy April 20, 2018 11:57 AM  

Pretty much every dinner table convo had in recent years. “If they come here legally and are willing to contribute and assimilate...” they are still not Americans. Does it take 10 generations to make an American? Maybe.

It certainly takes less than one border crossing and plenty of tax breaks on businesses. It makes a resident, even a citizen, but not an American.

Never doubt the power of resentment. Keep taking it away. Eventually people will want it all back, and reclaim it with force, as necessary.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2018 11:57 AM  

we don't need to arrest anyone. All we have to do is make them think there will be negative consequences for breaking our immigration laws. You get caught... something worse than being shipped home is going to happen.

If they thought that... they would leave... on their own... very very quickly.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2018 11:59 AM  

i mean how much less would the Wall cost if it were being built by prisoners? Using illegals to build the wall really is sort of like having Mexico pay for it... after all.

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 20, 2018 12:10 PM  

"What comes next? The USA is again on course to reach 400 million imperial subjects sometime between 2043 and 2051, depending upon which UN report you credit."

NumbersUSA said it best 7 years ago. It's a decision between 600 million and 1 billion by century's end.

"Every empire is destroyed by immigration of one sort or another in the end, but it is the cultural decadence and lack of confidence that permits such immigration to take place that is the true cause of the collapse."

It's as if every country that becomes an empire does not learn from history. Oh wait...that's EXACTLY what happens.

"Had American politicians possessed the wisdom to arrest and deport the seditious ethnic lobbyists who agitated for ending the national origins system, the collapse of the empire would not be rapidly approaching. Now the necessary surgery is even more difficult and considerably less politically palatable. So, we can safely conclude that it will not be performed."

Those that opened the floodgates post '65 knew EXACTLY what they were doing. Courtesy of the Internet, nobody can claim ignorance since oh 1998 or so.

Daniel Bendele wrote:Maybe a Black Swan event like the coming financial crash will result in a sudden push to get them out? It's hard to imagine doing anything while things are "good", but I could see the mood shifting relatively quickly if an existential threat became reality.

@4 If it's on par with the Great Depression or worse, that might start it.

Jack Amok wrote:We apparently advance our civilizations by importing people who don't know how to use toilets.

People who don't know how to use toilets make people who don't know how to use socket sets feel better about themselves. And civilization is all about making losers feel better about themselves. It has nothing to do with indoor plumbing, electricity, or not raping children.

I mean, without immigration, we'd be stuck in the horrible 50's. I doubt they have a single plate of hummus at that BBQ.


@8 Oh noes!!!! Joking aside, VanishingAmerican (who hasn't written since last October) was the first one to make me realize what I'd been robbed of, patrimony wise, when I first found her blog in '09. Just like the red pill, I was pissed and then came to accept it. My center leaning tendencies went hard right and have never (and will never) swing back.

I feel sorry for my siblings and friends who really buy into that mulitcult BS. If they really knew, really knew what they'd been robbed of, and spoke as many foreign languages as I had, and lived outside of the country for a fair amount of time (but that'd require them to stay outside of tourist areas of places they've gone to for vacation), they'd realize that not only am I rational, they'd be as right wing as I am.

Nate wrote:we don't need to arrest anyone. All we have to do is make them think there will be negative consequences for breaking our immigration laws. You get caught... something worse than being shipped home is going to happen.

If they thought that... they would leave... on their own... very very quickly.


@10 Every state that wants illegals gone should model their school laws after Alabama's.

I'll never forget what a South African told me at an Armin van Buuren concert in DC back in '09. He said, "Every state is like it's own country." Yeah, I hope we can get back to that state of affairs (although it won't happen until after the breakup).

Blogger Jack Amok April 20, 2018 12:12 PM  

making far worse the dismal figures on species extinction, wetland loss, soil erosion, and the accumulation of climate-changing and health-impairing pollutants that are being tallied up as the new century unfolds.

I'm not much for eco-freakouts and the AGW crowd are morons, but there is rhetorical dynamite in this for us. Some truth as well behind it. Imagine how much nicer the US would be with two-thirds the cars on the road, two-thirds the crowds, two-thirds the pollution.

Blogger Tallen April 20, 2018 12:15 PM  

i mean how much less would the Wall cost if it were being built by prisoners? Using illegals to build the wall really is sort of like having Mexico pay for it... after all.

Do we really want illegals "building" the wall to keep them out? It'd be like having Indians (dot) coding the sensors.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 20, 2018 12:17 PM  

Stilicho wrote:Arrest and deport? No. They would just return or use surrogates/fellow travelers/useful idiots. Arrest and HANG. Pour encourage Les autres.

There would be far less bloodshed than you expect. If we merely set out to decimate the ranks of merely the illegals, all the invaders, legal and illegal, would self deport fast enough that we might never hang even 1%. The prospect of hanging focuses the mind wonderfully.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 20, 2018 12:20 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Imagine how much nicer the US would be with two-thirds the cars on the road, two-thirds the crowds, two-thirds the pollution.

Imagine how much smaller the immivaders' carbon footprints would be if they were there instead of here.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 20, 2018 12:20 PM  

The whole purpose of the national origins quotas type system, not just in the US but everywhere in the West, was precisely to make it near impossible for Whites to get their nations back.

ITs why its always pushed so URGENTLY: as in nothing is more important than getting another million in this month if possible.

They hate you, and they don't hide it.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2018 12:23 PM  

'Do we really want illegals "building" the wall to keep them out? It'd be like having Indians (dot) coding the sensors.'

***WHOOSH***

hey.. tell me something... why don't people break North Korea's immigration laws?

Blogger Jack Amok April 20, 2018 12:27 PM  

There would be far less bloodshed than you expect. If we merely set out to decimate the ranks of merely the illegals...

Shut down the agencies (Government and non-profit) handing out free stuff (including education) to illegals, impose real punishments (e.g. Nate's idea of hard labor on the Wall) on those arrested, and tax the crap out of remittances for legal immigrants. All those hard-working immigrants who do the jobs Americans won't will go back home and Make Mexico Great Again.

(and since those idiots elected their own Chavez, they'll need all the makin' great they can get).

Relatively minor things could avoid a whole lot of bloodshed. The problem is, if the cucks and progs keep insisting on importing more and more immigrants, we might need to shed blood before we can do the minor things. Sad.

Blogger Dave April 20, 2018 12:32 PM  

i mean how much less would the Wall cost if it were being built by prisoners? Using illegals to build the wall really is sort of like having Mexico pay for it... after all.

I'm in favor of using them in the wall.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 20, 2018 12:42 PM  

The get-rid-of-immigrants violence will come from the environmental movement. Leftists are not aware of their own violent tendencies, so when they get excited, they really get excited. Roosevelt put Japanese in camps, Germans in camps, regular poor whites got paid while they were in work camps.

We have a highway system that stretches across the entire United States. There is a metal lamp-post every 100 feet or so across the entire distance. The only lamp-posts falling over from corrosion are in San Francisco. The rest are sturdy. We make nylon by the ton.

We had outbreaks of hangings throughout the Midwest in small towns past 1865. Most were not photographed or recorded. Most did not make national history books.

Part of the ritual and terror of hanging is that rope was expensive, hand-hewn wood was expensive. Labor to build a specialty machine was expensive. It was a big deal to use up valuable labor, a field's worth of hemp, a hangman's eternal soul, several trees on a rapidly deforesting island.


A crucifixion involved hand-made metal bolts, hand-hewn wood, risks of infection from blood and intestinal matter in a world without antibiotics.

If you ask 1000 people, maybe one will remember the aftermath of the Nike Revolts, or the aftermath of the Gladiator Wars, except for the occasional fan of cable tv history channel documentaries, or sword and sandal epics.

The Roman Emperors crucified acres, miles, tons of insurrectionists. Their bloody, stinking corpses rotted next to those famous Roman roads while regular people walked along, conducting their business in peace for a thousand years. Everyone remembers Pax Romana, everyone loves the roads. No one remembers the terrorists, rioters, insurrectionists.

Well, one. Not a terrorist, insurrectionist or rioter. One who gave Ceasar his due.

But, one thousand years of peace and prosperity for one summer of cleansing? The left is terrified of anyone proposing that trade. They are not of clean hands on this: they cleansed the Ukraine and Danube valley, but couldn't bring peace or prosperity. They know, deep in their bones, if they were strange fruit, the world would not miss them.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2018 12:43 PM  

What Nate is referring to is sweat equity. Which also builds character.

Blogger Jack Amok April 20, 2018 12:55 PM  

I'm in favor of using them in the wall.

"You're going to contribute to the Wall one way or another. Either you work hard building it, or your carcass become a permanent part of it. Your choice."

Blogger Quilp April 20, 2018 12:55 PM  

OT but I'm wondering if there is a term for someone who Cucks so often and on so many different issues, he is the paragon of cuckoldry. It's Friday, David French is of course cucking about "conservatives" and a fat, vulgar Fresno Professor. Earlier this week it was immigration and Gorsuch.
Super cuck
Cuck without equal
French cuck
They are getting even worse over there @NRO

Blogger Dave April 20, 2018 1:01 PM  

What Nate is referring to is sweat equity. Which also builds character.

Yes, the wall will ooze character.

Blogger rumpole5 April 20, 2018 1:36 PM  

Even with our tower of Bable irritations I would not want to return to the 1950s when you had to get an operator to physically connect a call (if the party line was free), and you had to trudge down to the library to look anything up, and the 3 news channels had a stranglehold on all information. Not to mention the polio scares every summer. No, even with our immigration missteps the present time in the USA is much, much better

Blogger tuberman April 20, 2018 1:37 PM  

Wish list for a few years from now:

Everything that has to do with "America For Sale" is treason on the American side, and war and spying on the foreign side. Ultimate punishments going all the way back to the late 1950's at least. Money made from selling out the USA needs to be confiscated, throughout whole families. All money made by foreign workers should be taxed much more heavily, then taxed again, when money sent back to their countries. No welfare for foreigners, even if legal for many years. Any foreigner involved in a death of a citizen should be dealt with immediately, quick trial, death, even if car accident, while DUI or high. Citizens may be given the right to try them under bad circumstances. Anyone sneaking back in several times that had any felony should be shot on the spot as soon as it is all confirmed.

Mexico is in open war with us.

No health care for illegals, churches that cry about this should be raided monthly for hiding and abetting criminals, and there should be counter-shaming that never lets up. Charges of blasphemy should be leveled against Cuck churches, and everyone who protests should have their reputations destroyed, and their money taken away. Use both the SJW and Cuck rules against them.

I know, I know, this is way too little, but it's a start.

Blogger tuberman April 20, 2018 1:38 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:Even with our tower of Bable irritations I would not want to return to the 1950s when you had to get an operator to physically connect a call (if the party line was free), and you had to trudge down to the library to look anything up, and the 3 news channels had a stranglehold on all information. Not to mention the polio scares every summer. No, even with our immigration missteps the present time in the USA is much, much better

^^^^DUH^^^

Blogger Jew613 April 20, 2018 2:09 PM  

This is semi-off topic, but Netflix has a series, Wild Wild Country, about the Rajneesh cult. Its surprisingly good and the underlying message is immigration quickly and radically changes a place and The newcomers will try to take over and displace the natives. This comes through in a way anyone watching it should see, without feeling like propaganda. Its a very effective piece on the dangers of immigration. If someone is on the fence about what will happen to the USA or any country, if they watch Wild Wild Country they should get off the fence.

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 20, 2018 2:22 PM  

120 million more people living the good life = a global disaster and a national tragedy.

A billion more starving africans = a new slave trade opportunity.

These people are evil and insane. Talk about a covenant with death.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 20, 2018 2:25 PM  

@6

"Perhaps when the more able of the immigrants realize that they will be on the hook for the pension promises enacted by the boomers they will abandon ship.

I wonder how many Chinese will continue to bring money to the US as well when they realize state and local governments are going to have to appropriate large amounts of wealth to pay the pension promises"

I have often wondered if the Social Security problem is what makes our (shortsighted) Congress critters so stubborn in their refusal to do anything about the over-immigration problem -- they're looking at the immigrants as some sort of potential cash cow to make good on SocSec, pensions, etc.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 20, 2018 2:29 PM  

@8

"I mean, without immigration, we'd be stuck in the horrible 50's. I doubt they have a single plate of hummus at that BBQ."

What kind of party is that? Not even the slightest hint of a drive-by shooting....

Blogger Dirk Manly April 20, 2018 2:58 PM  

@10

"we don't need to arrest anyone. All we have to do is make them think there will be negative consequences for breaking our immigration laws. You get caught... something worse than being shipped home is going to happen.

If they thought that... they would leave... on their own... very very quickly."


I've long thought that the solution to Mexican illegals is to make the song "It's Raining Men" a reality.....

Blogger freddie_mac April 20, 2018 3:04 PM  

@6 Crew
Perhaps when the more able of the immigrants realize that they will be on the hook for the pension promises enacted by the boomers they will abandon ship.

Most of our immvaders have an extremely short time horizon; asking them to think about things 3-5 years in the future is challenging enough, 10-20-30 years in the future is incomprehensible. Besides, how many of them are legally employed (paying withholding taxes) instead of under the table?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 20, 2018 3:08 PM  

"I'm in favor of using them in the wall."

I understand that the addition of blood can strengthen concrete.

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2018 3:29 PM  

> I wonder how many Chinese will continue to bring money to the US as well when they realize state and local governments are going to have to appropriate large amounts of wealth to pay the pension promises:

There isn't enough wealth to pay those promises. What can't be paid, won't.

> Shut down the agencies (Government and non-profit) handing out free stuff (including education) to illegals

From your lips to Trump's ears: https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2018/04/15/feds-will-close-74-refugee-offices-during-the-course-of-this-year/

Blogger Pale Male April 20, 2018 3:34 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Imagine how much smaller the immivaders' carbon footprints would be if they were there instead of here.
Precisely.  But it's racist to say that.  (Speaking from experience here.)

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:We have a highway system that stretches across the entire United States. There is a metal lamp-post every 100 feet or so across the entire distance.
It's obviously been much too long since you've been outside an urban center.  Go out for some fresh air this weekend.

Dirk Manly wrote:I've long thought that the solution to Mexican illegals is to make the song "It's Raining Men" a reality.....
There was a Chicago cop blog which had a graphic of an "Illegal Beaner Cannon".  I think a trebuchet might be more appropriate; we'd want the missiles awake and screaming until impact.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 20, 2018 3:54 PM  

@36 There isn't enough wealth to pay those promises. What can't be paid, won't.

True, but that won't stop the government's desperate scrambles to steal from us in the final stages of denying this reality. This is playing out in Illinois now and how the pension funding crisis is addressed there will probably lay the groundwork for how it happens in most other states.

Blogger Crew April 20, 2018 4:12 PM  

@38: Yes. That is one of the battles that will play out.

Blogger The Kurgan April 20, 2018 4:18 PM  

I would pay hard cash for that person and you to be locked in a bar until one of you changes the others mind permanently. That’s what I’d call a reality TV show.

Blogger Unknown April 20, 2018 4:18 PM  

Barring a mass repatriation program for all post-1965 immigrants and their descendants

This has always been a hunch. Cleverly detailed and buffeted, but a hunch nonetheless.

The problem with hunches, especially those that can nurse entitlement and prejudice, is that one tends to follow the evidence that favours them. Given enough power or influence, hunches can end up controlling the narrative and ultimately become self fulfulling.

This phenomenon is behind the success of Gramscian Marxism, movies, advertising and fashion. I think it was Edward Bernays who described the masses as irrational and subject to herd instinct—and outlined how skilled practitioners could use crowd psychology and psychoanalysis to control them in desirable ways. In other words, MPAI, but if you are one of the special ones together we can MAGA.

The Left is an example of how well these manipulative techniques work. The Left is in fact defined by their propensity to be manipulated. If you allow yourself to be swept up by someone barrelling forward with their hunches, you are no different in substance to the Left. The future you'll be sent in to fight for will not be yours to inherit. On that road there can never be freedom - the journey will simply be the exchange of one tyranny for another.

Don't be led by other people's hunches. Unplug yourself from the internet, work with your hands, have some kids. Treat your neighbour as you would have them treat you. Read the Bible and do what it says. America will be great again if God alone wills it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 20, 2018 4:21 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:No, even with our immigration missteps the present time in the USA is much, much better
Really?
Would you give your 15-year-old $20 and send them downtown for the afternoon, to get them out of your hair?
Do you need to lock your door?
Does fear of the government play a significant role in how you raise your children?
Were you ever afraid to go to school?

These are all things that have changed for middle-class Whites since the 1950s.
So you think an improvement in phone service is worth the absolute destruction of trust and safety. You don't know the difference because you can't see the difference. All you can perceive is the ludicrous obvious stuff. "No cell phone no Internet! It must have been HELL!"

And that's why people are measurably unhappier now than they were then.

Blogger Unknown April 20, 2018 4:44 PM  

@38

Martin Armstrong has written about the final collapse of Rome: it occurred following the implosion of the tax base leading to the government's inability to pay the pensions to the army. The army did not take that well and the collapse accelerated from there. Much more at his site if you want to dig deeper.

In today's America, I expect to see protracted strikes by teachers, firefighters, policemen and other public employees. Not to mention protests and lawsuits galore from the retirees. Which would likely lead to the National Guard getting called out to keep order in the cities. Only remains to be seen how much longer before we grab some popcorn and watch this play out in real time. How it's going to go from there leads to some fairly uncomfortable thoughts in addition to making sure my firearms are ready.

Blogger DonReynolds April 20, 2018 5:40 PM  

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Blogger DonReynolds April 20, 2018 5:43 PM  

It may be possible to sell Americans on the idea of being FAIR. They like to see themselves as a fair people and we usually hope our actions are perceived as fair. Fairness does not mean generous, but at a minimum it means reciprocity. A strict policy of reciprocity with ALL other countries would certainly be fair. That means that the USA will treat people exactly the same way as Americans are treated when they go to that country.

If Americans cannot own land in a foreign country (like Mexico), then Mexican citizens cannot own land in the USA. If Americans cannot own firearms in a foreign country (like Mexico), then Mexican citizens cannot own firearms in the USA. If a foreign country has currency controls and Americans cannot get their money out of the country....yes, the same rule would apply to those foreign nationals when in the USA. If a foreign country does not grant birthright citizenship, neither should the USA.

The first benefit of a strict policy of reciprocity would be substantial improvement in the treatment of Americans in many foreign countries.

The second benefit would be an end to the abuse of our hospitality and every bit of the blame would be rightly on the foreign governments of the aliens.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2018 5:47 PM  

Can't wait to see how the DNC lawsuit against Russia, Trump and Wikileaks bites them in the ass.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 20, 2018 5:58 PM  

11
"i mean how much less would the Wall cost if it were being built by prisoners? Using illegals to build the wall really is sort of like having Mexico pay for it... after all."

Like Joe Danby helping the workmen install the bars on his cell....

Blogger Dirk Manly April 20, 2018 6:04 PM  

@18

"
hey.. tell me something... why don't people break North Korea's immigration laws?"

Because if you were accidentally in North Korea without a visa, you would pray for a quick deportation

Blogger Daniel Bendele April 20, 2018 6:17 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Can't wait to see how the DNC lawsuit against Russia, Trump and Wikileaks bites them in the ass.

This. Along with the REEEEing that's going to ensue when the GE wins a Nobel Peace Prize for bringing peace to the Korean peninsula. Still not tired...

Blogger John Calla April 20, 2018 6:19 PM  

Trump needs to call an emergency televised national address and admit before the entire nation that yes, in fact, he did collude with the Trump campaign to win the 2016 election.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 20, 2018 6:26 PM  

Daniel Bendele wrote: Along with the REEEEing that's going to ensue when the GE wins a Nobel Peace Prize for bringing peace to the Korean peninsula.
Swedes are not going to do that.

Blogger Crew April 20, 2018 6:32 PM  

I guess this had to happen:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/04/19/irvine-man-charged-with-anti-semitic-hate-crimes-after-being-turned-in-by-family-member/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 20, 2018 6:48 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Like Joe Danby helping the workmen install the bars on his cell....

"I've spent four days in the company of Joe, and in that time I don't believe I've heard him say one smart thing."

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 20, 2018 8:15 PM  

Such utter ignorance of history.
That person probably thinks he's superior, too.
I second the locked in a bar idea. But I add the caveat that force should be allowed.
And that it be filmed, kind of like Steve's game show idea

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 20, 2018 8:27 PM  

What did they say about Gorsuch? Very few media sources are remotely trustworthy reliable right now. Even right wing ones like Breitbart spread lies to embarrass the president.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 20, 2018 8:31 PM  

20 year old dindus can't wait to pay for 65 year old whites' social security, I'm sure.
These people are absolutely insane if they think social security will survive the takeover.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 20, 2018 8:44 PM  

We're slowly becoming Austria-Hungary with Kennedys and Bushes instead of Hapsburgs.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 20, 2018 8:56 PM  

"Had American politicians possessed the wisdom to arrest and deport the seditious ethnic lobbyists who agitated for ending the national origins system, the collapse of the empire would not be rapidly approaching."

But many of those politicians were being blackmailed by the very people who spearheaded the '65 Immigration Act. It's no wonder they didn't stop it.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 20, 2018 8:59 PM  

@19 Jack Amok: "Shut down the agencies (Government and non-profit) handing out free stuff (including education) to illegals, impose real punishments (e.g. Nate's idea of hard labor on the Wall) on those arrested, and tax the crap out of remittances for legal immigrants. All those hard-working immigrants who do the jobs Americans won't will go back home and Make Mexico Great Again."

Yeah, that's gonna happen...

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 20, 2018 9:03 PM  

They don't call the GE "The Closer" for nothin.

Blogger Dire Badger April 20, 2018 9:51 PM  

How to fix America-
Eliminate affirmative action
Mass repatriation
Eliminate no-fault divorce
Eliminate child support
Eliminate alimony except in the case of proven infidelity or felony against spouse.
Eliminate abortion, death penalty for all abortionists.
100% Open carry.
3 strikes death penalty for violent felonies
Automatic death penalty for any non-citizen convicted of murder. Self-defense not an acceptable excuse.
'pick a nation' dual citizenship revocation.
Legal aliens only through marriage. No, we don't care if that gives American women with foreign husbands slave ownership of them... we don't want your men anyway.
Literacy and competence test for voter registration. No, you cannot use a translator.
Outlaw multilingual government services.
Eliminate all laws pertaining to the wholly artificial 'separation of church and state'. The first says that the government cannot recognize an official state religion, nothing more.


None of this is likely to happen. Complex problems require complex solutions. Without ALL of it, this nation is done.

OpenID genkong April 20, 2018 10:04 PM  

Folks continue to fall into this false notion that it would be necessary to round up tens of millions of invaders and deport them all. Not necessary as a first step. First step is to make it very, very painful for those who employ them. The Chamber of Commerce cucks who employ invaders get charged with violating the law and they get their businesses and assets taken. Once a few high profile criminal cucks were destroyed in this manner, the remainder would start firing the illegals. Massive self-deportation would result. Only after this step would the remainder need to be rounded up and shipped out. The problem is that the government is not serious about enforcing immigration laws against the invaders at all - and they know it. The 'Caravan of Peace' is nothing new. It's a Soros-funded operation which has been going on since 2010 and the latest Caravan is still headed towards the border. It's the deep-state importing Obama's promised army - described as "children" by Ministry of Truth - but actually mostly military-age males (many of whom are MS-13, et al). Gorsuch, who apparently is owned by the Cabal, just sided with the 4 communists on the court to let them and now it looks like DHS is going to turn 100,000 or so loose on the streets.

Blogger Pale Male April 20, 2018 11:04 PM  

many of those politicians were being blackmailed by the very people who spearheaded the '65 Immigration Act.
So much the better.  Deport the pols and you not only get rid of the compromised people, all the blackmail material becomes useless.  Once the pols are gone they have no reason not to turn state's evidence on their blackmailers.

If becoming a moral people again is essential, removing compromised pols (and other officials) isn't just important, it is an inescapable duty.

Blogger Jack Amok April 20, 2018 11:13 PM  

No, even with our immigration missteps the present time in the USA is much, much better

Bullshit.

It's especially bullshit if you remember to factor in our current trajectory.

Blogger Jack Amok April 20, 2018 11:14 PM  

Yeah, that's gonna happen...

Well, then I guess it'll all degenerate into lots of bloodshed.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 21, 2018 2:08 AM  

Maybe you should remember you've been banned, Rambam.
I mean, for God's sake how pathetic can you be?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 21, 2018 2:41 AM  

Oh, and remember when you pretended to be Christian? Good times...

Now you're pretending to be Anglo. It's precious.

Blogger Dire Badger April 21, 2018 3:11 AM  

anyone know what the deal is with Obama and Maggie Nix?

OpenID tonsplace April 21, 2018 6:10 AM  

Barring a mass repatriation program for all post-1840 immigrants and their descendants, which appears extremely unlikely at the moment, the political breakup should begin by the early 2030s.

Blogger English Tom April 21, 2018 10:48 AM  

Nate you're being unkind. Think of the cultural enrichment. Eating food with no knives or forks, just fingers is a skill everyone should have a chance to learn. Ive heard it can actually help as a community integration process.

Blogger English Tom April 21, 2018 10:58 AM  

The welfare state is doomed. Pensions, along with bank accounts, will soon die and go to money heaven. Read: The Breaking Point by James Dale Davidson. Harshness looms.

Blogger English Tom April 21, 2018 11:02 AM  

Big statists will do what they always do and increase taxes. The productive and capable leave forcing more taxes on an already shrinking productive base. You can figure out how it ends. Harshness looms.

Blogger Daniel April 21, 2018 11:16 AM  

Similar thing in Argentina. Lots of cucks and traitor and the same "everybody is an inmigrant descendant". Fuck them. I guess it's gonna be survival of the fittest eventually. And today the fittest are the 2 digit IQ people that has 5+ children. Sad AF

OpenID genkong April 21, 2018 12:58 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:

anyone know what the deal is with Obama and Maggie Nix?

Apparently he's been diddling her since age 10. Her mother is a pal of the pizza-man himself, James Alefantis. At least this is the gist of the claims over at the 8chans where the Q-haikus appear from time to time.

Blogger LateIntoTheFray April 21, 2018 1:12 PM  

1958's you say? well what do you know...(Google ngram for "nation of immigrants"

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Nation+of+Immigrants&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=5&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CNation%20of%20Immigrants%3B%2Cc0

Blogger Damaris Tighe April 24, 2018 7:17 PM  

there is a mass extinction of unique peoples and their cultures going on...

into the melting pot we go

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