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Tuesday, April 17, 2018

The necessity of divorce

A political breakup is inevitable. The only question is the level of violence that will be involved. So, working towards a peaceful one based on the Czechoslovakian model rather than a not-peaceful one based on the Yugoslavian model is highly desirable.
Divorce is hard, but it’s easier than cutting the brake lines on your wife’s car. It is long past time for an amicable divorce of the United States of America. There is simply no common ground with the Left anymore. We are now the couple screaming at each other all night, every night as the kids hide in their room.

We cannot come together, but we do not have to live like this. The history of the world is nations breaking up and redrawing their borders. If we want to avoid this political divide turning into a deadly one, we should do likewise.

Stop clinging to the past and acknowledge where we are as a country, not where you want us to be, not where things were when your grandpa was storming the beaches of Normandy. Where we truly are.

We are a nation hopelessly divided. We are more divided now than we have ever been in our history. And before you start screaming at me about the Civil War, keep in mind that bloody conflict was fought over one major issue. In those days, take ten families from New York and ten families from Alabama, put them all in a room, and you’d find they mostly had the same values (and bad accents).

Now, fast-forward to today and do that same thing. Those families have virtually nothing in common. We as a nation have polarized and separated from each other.

Anyone who thinks this is a radical idea has an extremely narrow view of history. If you don’t believe me, go try to book a plane ticket to Czechoslovakia, or look at a map of Europe from the year 1600, then look at one today. See any differences? Borders move. Countries split and change hands. They do this for a myriad of reasons. Ours would be a major cultural shift toward the left and half the country refusing to go along with tyranny.
The problem is that there is no "we as a nation". The USA is a multinational empire. And like all such empires, the nations want to rule themselves, not be ruled over by other nations.

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151 Comments:

Blogger westernman April 17, 2018 10:28 AM  

The left doesn't want a amicable split. If they let go of the right, then they won't have anyone to support their lazy marxist ideology with actual labor.

Blogger Metric April 17, 2018 10:35 AM  

I'm Ready For Balkanization.

Blogger Brick Hardslab April 17, 2018 10:35 AM  

I agree with everything but his map. They can have the I-5 corridor, the east coast and the blue city states and the county they are in. The rest is red.

Blogger Kallmunz April 17, 2018 10:41 AM  

His map is bad, we should keep the west and they can have the left coast, perhaps split the country in three.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah April 17, 2018 10:42 AM  

Terrible map. No way we give Soy that much land. Just build walls around each big city.

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2018 10:42 AM  

Yeah, his map sucks. But the idea is necessary. We need to support Calexit.

Blogger lowell houser April 17, 2018 10:42 AM  

Yeah, but if we do things peacefully there's no way I get to throw anyone out of a helicopter and I was so looking forward to that.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 17, 2018 10:42 AM  

An amicable divorce means real Americans will lose a significant amount of land.

A battle, which real Americans would no doubt win, may be more desirable.

Blogger Dangeresque April 17, 2018 10:44 AM  

Step 1: Calexit
Step 2: Reconquista of California
Step 3: America

Blogger Fenris Wulf April 17, 2018 10:51 AM  

I never heard of a walled city to keep people in. Escape From NY/LA is coming true.

Blogger Clint April 17, 2018 10:51 AM  

We are just waiting for politics to catch up with reality here. I also prefer the Czech model, and pray it goes that way.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 10:51 AM  

I just want to get rid of the Africans, the invaders, and the left-wing fools. (the left-wing fools mostly)

Give them land or drive them into the sea. Whatever it takes.

Blogger Ceerilan April 17, 2018 10:51 AM  

From the article, increasing school safety has very little to do with guns. Reforming the Prussian model of schooling into smaller, more traditional for America schools will help prevent some mass shootings, and limit the damage from others.

Blogger #7139 April 17, 2018 10:53 AM  

I cannot imagine any conditions under which the Left will agree to a divorce. Our very existence is an affront to them. The planet is not big enough for both groups to live peacefully. I am not sure the whole galaxy would be big enough. Our destruction is part of their Prime Directive.

Blogger Lazarus April 17, 2018 10:54 AM  

Map sucks and he said Judeo-Christian. Why split along state lines? where is the corridor into Alberta?

Blogger Metric April 17, 2018 10:54 AM  

These are fantastic rhetorical points that the left needs to hear non-stop. Non-stop. When is divorce allowed? What is the difference between making love and rape? Just imagine how awesome CA would be if they could govern themselves. etc. etc.

Blogger Ceerilan April 17, 2018 10:55 AM  

Also, I'm not on board with getting rid of the rust belt (with the obvious exception of Detroit and Chicago) and upper Rockies from the rest, like the northeast nod west coast. Many people fleeing leftist persecution went to those places.

Blogger Jack Ward April 17, 2018 10:55 AM  

Important is where the military falls out with national 'divorce' Who defends what? Does the military stand as a separate entity tasked with defending the old, full sized USA? Do the separate countries pay a fair share for the defensive forces? Who gets control of the nukes.
I tell you the debates would be the greatest show on earth!

Blogger D John April 17, 2018 10:57 AM  

Not going to happen.

It doesn't really matter how sensible a devolution of the United States would be. It is not going to happen.

For one it would be a devolution of mutual loathing. The two sides despise each other, and will actively work to undermine each other. Once they can hide within putatively sovereign borders, those actions can become military.

Second, geopolitical reasons. CONUS is secure because it is defended by Canadian tundra to the north, Mexican deserts to the south, and two huge honking moats to the east and west. The Deep Blue bicoastal regions are the WALLS on the bloody moats. If they secede, the castle walls fall and the interior is in deadly peril of invasion. The People's Republic of California can invite its close and personal friend the People's Liberation Army of the People's Republic of China over for continental basing any time. CONUS is secure so long as no foreign army can land amphibiously. A break up invites in foreign belligerents.

The bicoastals have a similar problem if they lose the interior. They lose their cheap electrical power, flush natural resources and easy transport corridors between the Deep Blue enclaves. For simple strategic survival the bicoastals cannot allow the interior to break away from them.

There will be no amicable divorce. And yes, mutual hatred and loathing is ramping up. The political tensions will be resolved, but it will not involve territorial breakup. One side will be crushed, the other triumphant.

God created North America to conquer the world in an industrial age. So potent a mechanism of capital creation and power projection will not wither just because it requires some massive periodic chaos and bloodletting for maintenance.

Blogger John Calla April 17, 2018 10:58 AM  

In American divorce one side gets raped and has to pay alimony in perpetuity while the other lives a lap of luxury. This would be no different.

Recall that TPTB are neither left or right. Only the plebs are. And TPTB will continue to be TPTB even after a "divorce".

Blogger Aeoli April 17, 2018 10:59 AM  

This is ridiculous and foolish. You know full well the left has no desire ot intention of letting us go peacefully.

Blogger Aeoli April 17, 2018 11:01 AM  

Even giving the conservatives a false hope of mere secession is a bad idea. We've been seceding for years and all it's gotten us is atomized and surrounded.

Blogger Aeoli April 17, 2018 11:03 AM  

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Blogger Aeoli April 17, 2018 11:03 AM  

There can be no victory for the right unless disagreeable people can be taught it's in their own interest, whether genetic or spiritual, to fight and die for each other.

Blogger Longtime Lurker April 17, 2018 11:04 AM  

In the Anglosphere, partition is how we do it when we all just can't get along.

Sometimes its works (1781). But sometimes it doesn't (1865).

Blogger Metric April 17, 2018 11:05 AM  

>This is ridiculous and foolish. You know full well the left has no desire ot intention of letting us go peacefully.

At the very least, it lays bare the true nature of the conflict, for those on both sides to see. It undermines the morale of those demanding control, and steels the resolve of those demanding independence.

Blogger Jabari April 17, 2018 11:05 AM  

"There is simply no common ground with the Left anymore."

There isn't even a common reality with the Left anymore.

Blogger Jack Ward April 17, 2018 11:06 AM  

One nice thing, I suspect, is if the residents of Soyanna keep their ideas of weapon ownership all the common crooks would flock there. Soon enough the good people of Columbia could just march a few militia groups in and take over the place. Then, start the deportations. Oh, the left over criminals, crosses come to mind, or, if mercy is in order, firing squads.

Blogger 罗臻 April 17, 2018 11:06 AM  

The left in Silicon Valley is also talking about civil war now, but they don't mention divorce anywhere. Only smash the other side. Silicon Valley Is Hot for Civil War

Blogger saintCrispee April 17, 2018 11:08 AM  

The man overstates the differences juuuuuuust a bit. However, it's fun to engage fantastic speculation. How come we never see a nationwide poll that asks Americans to response yes or no to the kind of map shown in the article separating the country into tow? Why? Because we know what the response would be and its a waste of time: 20% in favor to 80% Opposed.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 17, 2018 11:11 AM  

No peaceful separation is possible. California will invite the Chinese in to deal with us.

War is preferable, war will clean out the Augean stables known as the cities. War is coming whether you like it or not. War is inevitable. And yes, war never changes.

Blogger Alphaeus April 17, 2018 11:16 AM  

"The problem is that there is no "we as a nation". The USA is a multinational empire."
Yup. We're gonna be just like the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the early 20th century pretty soon now. But there's no avoiding the violence because the Left ain't nothing but about violence. And the Left will never give up until they get dunked in a vat of molten steel. They are like a highly advanced Terminator®. You can't negotiate with them, and unlike in the movies you can't reprogram them either. And then the spores of their evil will come back to infect new generations. It's a never ending battle, as the battle against spiritual evil always is.

Blogger Gr8Again April 17, 2018 11:18 AM  

The left doesn't want a split. They want to exploit heritage Americans as tax slaves. If we had an amicable split, the leftist nations would quickly go bankrupt attempting to care for a much larger percentage of 3rd world immigrants and blacks. In short order, white liberals would recognize that they are hated in their own country and would quickly seek to join us.

Blogger buzzardist April 17, 2018 11:23 AM  

Unlike a political state like Czechoslovakia, where there were clearly Czech and Slovak regions that allowed for easy drawing of borders, there is no redrawing of borders to carve out new sovereign countries in America. How would anyone try to draw new lines? By political leanings? By race? There would be hundreds of pockets within pockets that would defy any lines drawn.

Yes, there are states like California that are heavily dominated by liberal, progressive politics. But what of those political minority areas of California that vote conservatively? Are they supposed to leave California when California becomes its own liberal, multicultural nation?

Even more challenging, try to draw lines in California based on the nations that already inhabit the land. The many peoples are so interspersed that it's impossible.

Or what of a state like Washington? The liberal Seattle-Olympia corridor dominates the state's politics, while eastern Washington and other rural parts of the state would love to be out from under Olympia's boot. Plenty of other states with large rural areas and heavy urban population centers are in the same boat. Much of Wisconsin would be more than happy to see Madison and most of Milwaukee go their own way. Texas remains predominantly conservative, but Austin and many parts of Houston, Dallas, and other big cities would much rather be in a liberal state.

If we could simply draw clear lines and be done with it, America would probably be better off divorcing into half a dozen or more new countries. But that's not how America's population is divided. Within almost every one of the fifty states, there are progressive urban concentrations and conservative rural areas. To varying degrees, there are people of all different races scattered through both rural and urban areas. Take a walk through any rural area of a western state today, and you're likely to see as many Hispanics as whites.

In short, no divorce would resolve anything without demanding the massive relocation of millions and millions of people, perhaps as much as a third of the country or more. That degree of dislocation is unheard of except in the most bitter of wars. In America's case, if this dislocation were not the result of a war, the attempt to enforce it would cause a war.

There will be no amicable divorce. Israel would have an easier time drawing lines and dividing up land with the Palestinians than America would drawing new boundaries. Nobody in America will agree on how to divide the land. The divorce may be inevitable, but the acrimony over who gets what will guarantee that the divorce only comes about through an ugly shooting war.

Blogger Salt April 17, 2018 11:24 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:No peaceful separation is possible.

Why let the domestic enemies have any win at all? Our tranquility is endangered and there is a lawful provision for dealing with that.

Blogger Steve April 17, 2018 11:31 AM  

The left doesn't want a amicable split. If they let go of the right, then they won't have anyone to support their lazy marxist ideology with actual labor.

Sure, but it goes far deeper than fiscal necessity.

It's been pretty obvious since the mainstream Left - which used to be about reasonably sensible stuff like better wages for workers - took a radical turn towards unlimited immigration, antagonistic feminism, transsexual evangelism, "white supremacy" conspiracy theories, sodomatrimony and so on, that they're motivated by hate.

Yes, they want your money. But that's not what drives them. More importantly, they want to humiliate you, to teach your kids to hate you, to rub your nose in the destruction of your race, your nation, your religion, your culture, and your heritage.

That's why they tear down statues and elevate every conceivable mockery of God, patriotism, family and marriage and then dare you to object while working hard to have you disemployed, deplatformed, ostracized, and ultimately jailed if you do.

The modern Left is a psychodrama where broken, unhappy and sociopathic people act out their desire for revenge against the happy, the well-adjusted, and the normal. Obnoxious politics for obnoxious personalities.

The scary part isn't that they'd resist any effort by the normals to escape the fate they've planned for us - that's a given. The scary part is that the entire world might not be big enough for both sides.

Blogger Robert What? April 17, 2018 11:33 AM  

As others here have observed, a peaceful split will never happen. Why? Because the Marxist, unproductive, parasitical Left would starve to death if left on their own and they know it.

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 17, 2018 11:34 AM  

"to fight and die for each other."

For my family, my neighbors, my parish, maybe even people I work with, but once you get outside that circle I don't have a whole lot of fks to give you.

Even this blog, the ilk or whoever, I have no real connection. Y'all could be a bunch of asylum patients or prepubescent wankers hovering over a screen in you mom's basement for all I know. Not that I think most of you are, I just have no way of knowing, and no connection outside of this blog.

I'm more that a bit disappointed I didn't get to any ilk-meets. I know some of you have historical bonds outside of and pre-dating Vox Populi. I envy you.

America or Americans not longer exist, maybe never did, that I have any affinity, loyalty, or affection for. I took an oath to defend the Constitution, but it is now a zombie document, infected and directed by a foreign host, used as a tool to destroy what it was intended to protect.

The closest thing to any nation with which I would identify and cherish citizenship is Texas, but it is currently foreign occupied and ruled AFAIC. I may legally be a citizen of a US empire, but we don't like each other much. It sure doesn't give a shit about me, my family, liberty or freedom.

There is still time, and I do have hope my circumstances and outlook will change, but for now the inertia of my more immediate daily life continues. Until it can't.

Don't worry, I still luv this blog.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 11:36 AM  

The modern Left is a psychodrama where broken, unhappy and sociopathic people act out their desire for revenge against the happy, the well-adjusted, and the normal. Obnoxious politics for obnoxious personalities.

That's a correct description. It also sounds like an episode of hysteria, and those things run their natural course until the energy is spent, or they are broken by force.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 11:36 AM  

How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

Blogger tz April 17, 2018 11:39 AM  

@34 - See the movements for the states of Jefferson and Liberty, splitting from California, and Washington, respectively.

Of course the social mood the debt bomb waiting for its "Minsky Moment" and the rest is still there but we've forgotten even 2008. Lets pretend negative interest rates can happen in perpetuity...

Blogger Robert Divinity April 17, 2018 11:40 AM  

Pakistan's split from India would be the least violent historical analogy possible given what the Zombie United States has become. Even a bloody third act in that analogy happened in Bangladesh and a fourth act always looms in Kashmir. The United States would be even more fractured. The rest of the world would do well to pay attention as this nuclear-armed madhouse unravels and should prepare for the worst.

Blogger Orthodox April 17, 2018 11:41 AM  

No peaceful separation is possible. California will invite the Chinese in to deal with us.

Russia would take the other side, with or without Chinese intervention.

Blogger rumpole5 April 17, 2018 11:41 AM  

We don't need to seperate into different political entities because we already ARE: the states. We need to get the Federal government out of any subject not specifically delegated to the constitution. That will solve the problem. If individual states want to have an established church, or restrict the votes to men over age 25 for state elections, then let them. It's the one size fits all hegemony of the Federal government into all aspects of life that is causing the potential split. We are too big a country to be homogeneous in all things. That is why the federal system was conceived of in the first place. Go back to it and the splits can be accommodated within the system.

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 17, 2018 11:43 AM  

Works on a personal level, too; if my ex and I hadn’t divorced I’d have killed at least one of us by now.

A serious note is intended; Nations don’t always split. Sometimes they die and sometimes one kills the other and seriously damages itself in the process.

Blogger Orthodox April 17, 2018 11:45 AM  

How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

Red states won't have welfare. They'll lose the transfer payments, but the welfare using populations will move to the blue states. Red states will take on military spending, blue states will have more welfare. Similar to the split in NATO between USA and Europe.

Blogger Metric April 17, 2018 11:45 AM  

>How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

Pretty sure that the possibility of more potholes in a red state freeway isn't going to change anyone's mind. Running the welfare state on money borrowed according to CA or IL's credit rating may be a serious issue for the left to deal with, and I hope they can sort it out.

Blogger dienw April 17, 2018 11:52 AM  

I disagree with the map: I would include Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia in the lower FSA; this means the FSA gets the energy fields of coal and oil; plus, it gets the best cropland. Virginia might decide to follow move south; the Capital of PRS might move to California with a little persuasion.

However, in a couple of generations, the PRS will realize it got the worst of the bargain: desert to the left and cold, poor cropland to the right and top. Then war.

Blogger dienw April 17, 2018 11:54 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Map sucks and he said Judeo-Christian. Why split along state lines? where is the corridor into Alberta?

Treaty to establish right of travel up and down the Mississippi.

Blogger pyrrhus April 17, 2018 11:56 AM  

The USA could simply return to the Articles of Confederation, which would be similar to Switzerland..The common people never wanted the Constitution in the first place, rightly distrusting a powerful central government. But history demonstrates a general inability of empires to downsize voluntarily....

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2018 11:59 AM  

> War is coming whether you like it or not. War is inevitable.

I'm afraid you are correct. That doesn't mean I'm willing to stop trying for a peaceful solution. Sometimes miracles do happen.

> How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

Federal money required to pay for programs mandated by federal law. No federal money, no federally mandated programs. Simple enough.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 17, 2018 11:59 AM  

"Simply"

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2018 12:00 PM  

> Virginia might decide to follow move south;

Virginia would probably split, with Northern VA going blue and the rest of the state going red.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 17, 2018 12:01 PM  

Step 1. Conquer Canada

Step 2. Send all the leftist faggots there.

Step 3. Build a northern wall.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 17, 2018 12:02 PM  

No law will solve this. Laws only work for people who follow them, which means the laws aren't necessary for those people in the first place.

Blogger dienw April 17, 2018 12:02 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:No peaceful separation is possible. California will invite the Chinese in to deal with us.

Yes. Once Calexit occurs, the only question that will remain is whose colony will California/New Aztlan become. Given the density of the Asian population up to and including Vancouver, we would be looking at a new Chinese overseas province extending all the way up to Vancouver; perhaps even Alaska.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 17, 2018 12:03 PM  

Dienw,

That is unacceptable.

Blogger dienw April 17, 2018 12:09 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Dienw,

That is unacceptable.


True. It is unacceptable. That is why there can be no Calexit,

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 17, 2018 12:12 PM  

Animal mother is right; any short term peace would invite long term disaster. The Czechoslovakia model is off the table.

Blogger RobertT April 17, 2018 12:15 PM  

This used to be the elephant in the room no one acknowledged.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 17, 2018 12:15 PM  

The only way separation works is with some massive population shifts. Otherwise, there's too much intermixing within states. We think of California as a rabidly liberal state, when the real division line is between the large urban areas of Greater Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay and the Rest of California. Maryland is the same way...once you get more than 20 miles from I-95, it's cherry red. Ditto for Virginia.

Of course, any Liberal-Land will degenerate into a Third World country within twenty years.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 17, 2018 12:18 PM  

Also, the left can't let us go. They need someone to pay their bills.

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2018 12:21 PM  

> The only way separation works is with some massive population shifts.

That will occur naturally. But it can be encouraged. A type of prisoner exchange between the states.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 17, 2018 12:22 PM  

The one potential semi-peaceful separation option would produce not two nations, but

On the East Coast, you have East Liberal-Stan. Basically parallel to I-95 and 20 miles East of it, from Washington to Maine. We might be able to salvage Southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore of MD...but may have to evacuate.

Then we have Greater Chicago. Again, about a 30-40 mile perimeter.

And we have the city-states of West Liberal-Land. The Los Angeles-San Bernardino area, and the San Francisco Bay area. Maybe Seattle. Probably Hawaii.

There's a possible separation of South Florida, too.

The rest of the country? We'll get along quite nicely, thank you.

Blogger Henry Lee April 17, 2018 12:24 PM  

Californians and Northeasterners are migrating to the South and Southwest supposedly to escape taxes and high cost of living. The problem is that they bring the same values that created the problems they are leaving. The divisions aren't as geographically pure as they were a few years ago.

Blogger Jack Amok April 17, 2018 12:27 PM  

How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

Because the blue states are even bigger recipients of private money mandated by federal policy?

Seriously, anyone who believes the old "Cities and Blue states are the real wealth producers" canard is not thinking it through. Look at San Francisco and NYC. How are these actually wealth-producers?

Blogger Ceerilan April 17, 2018 12:30 PM  

China doesn't like cold expanses. If they did, they could have taken much of Siberia in a war half a generation ago, when the magic of the one child policy was still in effect.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 12:30 PM  

One way of doing this is to let each state go to be its own nation-state. Then, some will join together or even sub-divide further.

We have to kill the USA to survive. We must start a process where real nations (same ethnic background, language, culture, religion, and so forth) can begin to form.

I would rather my tribe hold our eastern mountains than be in a large subdivision with other tribes. We need tribalism --- tribalism ain't a cuss word.

Blogger Todd Brown April 17, 2018 12:31 PM  

The left is at a significant disadvantage in a civil war situation. By nature, cities are not self-sustaining on a basic survival level. They depend on obtaining food from outside sources. Starvation can be a real bitch.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 17, 2018 12:32 PM  

Since conservatives are seemingly unable to actually defy authority in any meaningful way nor so much as challenge the moral authority of the Left (see Vox's comment about the conservative in the previous thread) I would not count on a split but a slow motion grind of the boot in your faces while conservatives pose and posture as usual.

Blogger VD April 17, 2018 12:32 PM  

How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

Easily. The financial industry, which is mostly blue state, siphons off more than one-third of all corporate profits.

Getting that gorilla off the back of industry would alone make separation worth it. It's also why the blue states will do everything they can to prevent the red states from escaping the empire.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 12:32 PM  

Whoever made that map is a retard. Most of "flyover" middle America is red states with blue cities. The solution is sieges and forced marches along trails of tears for those unhappy leftists to find a home with their ilk on the coasts.

And, "Federalist States of America"? It will be a cold day in hell if I will tolerate another Federalist iteration of the USA. That failed Hamiltonian dream was the fatal flaw that was planted in our system under Washington himself. Let's give Antifederalism another try.

OT:
The immigration failure at the Supreme Court at the hands of GORSUCH just proves that there really is no future for the current system. We have to just accept that we are never going to "take it over."

Forget Republicans—elect all the Trumps and appoint all the Gorsuches you want, the Deep State's leftist agenda will only march onward, only stepping backwards here or there and going around whatever obstacles we may drop in their path.

Dissolution is the only way forward. The leftists will get their utopia, the blacks will get their Wakanda (probably in the form of Mississippi—sorry Southerners), and the rest of us can get on with living in normalcy.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 12:35 PM  

So much for Gorsuch, I see. Either a plant or Deep-State has him by the nuts. Flim-flammed yet again on the SC. Can't even deport criminals, because bullshit. Say hello to the 'Caravan of Peace'.

The swamp and its loyal demonic legions aren't going to allow a peaceful divorce. They want us dead in addition to all the loot they can carry away. Most of their targets can't bring themselves to face this reality.

Blogger Quilp April 17, 2018 12:36 PM  

I just don't understand why he would suggest such a thing, and then immediately offer to give away a huge chunk of some of the most right wing folks in the Nation, Montana and Idaho. With Deal makers like Mr Kelly, we'll be lucky to end up with The Badlands. Why alienate such strong supporters right off the bat if the intention is real.

Blogger Orthodox April 17, 2018 12:37 PM  

The only way separation works is with some massive population shifts.

Half the population moves in each generation already. Most people will not participate in a civil conflict or secession movement, many people ignore politics. The amount of population that would want to shift is much smaller than you think and probably a lower total than the already migrating population.

Blogger Starboard April 17, 2018 12:42 PM  

"The only way separation works is with some massive population shifts."

"That will occur naturally. But it can be encouraged. A type of prisoner exchange between the states."

I thought Czechoslovakia was two countries artificially smashed together. Their mutual separation was natural and right. The US demographics look more like Yugoslavia before Tito passed. Add to that the idea of splitting left and right as well as by demographic, and it will make the war of northern aggression look civilized.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/55b284932acae732118b9993/this-map-shows-the-us-really-has-11-separate-nations-with-entirely-different-cultures.jpg

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 12:43 PM  

I think we'd end up as 3-5 separate countries. rather than just 2.

Blogger Shannon April 17, 2018 12:43 PM  

How do you think Plato’s republic fits in? We seem to have gone from democracy (albeit democratic republic) to oligarchy. I see tyranny in the future (though I’m not sure I’d reject a proper monarchy). Or because we were a republic -not a straight democracy- we shattered the model? Just thinking....

Blogger F Harper April 17, 2018 12:43 PM  

Idaho, Indiana, and Kentucky don't want to be part of that mess. Neither does most of Oregon, Washington, California, Illinois and Nevada. Colorado might flip if they can keep their weed, otherwise they are with the crazies. Montana has been flirting with the Democrats, but I'm sure they can be saved. The problem is almost entirely confined to the coastal plains.

Blogger Orthodox April 17, 2018 12:44 PM  

The left is at a significant disadvantage in a civil war situation. By nature, cities are not self-sustaining on a basic survival level. They depend on obtaining food from outside sources. Starvation can be a real bitch.

The Left isn't SJWs on Twitter. It is Google funded by New York banks. You will be armed with a .30-06 and shoot at murder bots and drones. The cities are fragile, but you should not assume the left will be democratic or care about mega death in the population centers. For many leftists that would be a feature, not a bug of a mass casualty civil war.

Blogger Frank Brady April 17, 2018 12:46 PM  

10. Fenris Wulf April 17, 2018 10:51 AM
"I never heard of a walled city to keep people in. Escape From NY/LA is coming true."

See "Berlin Wall".

Blogger Robert Divinity April 17, 2018 12:48 PM  

The swamp and its loyal demonic legions aren't going to allow a peaceful divorce. They want us dead in addition to all the loot they can carry away. Most of their targets can't bring themselves to face this reality.

It's happening even now and people refuse to acknowledge the reality.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 12:49 PM  

@ages345.

Dissolution is the only way forward. The leftists will get their utopia, the blacks will get their Wakanda (probably in the form of Mississippi—sorry Southerners), and the rest of us can get on with living in normalcy.

Deep-State/Cabal aren't going to let that happen. If you want it you'll have to fight for it quite ruthlessly. Even with the proper fighting motivation, deep-state et al seem able to infiltrate everything. If Gorsuch wasn't an actual plant, then how did they get to him? Obviously destroying deep-state and cabal is essential before even a divorce could be attempted. Any ideas on that?

Blogger Welsh Woodsman April 17, 2018 12:51 PM  

On the East Coast, you have East Liberal-Stan. Basically parallel to I-95 and 20 miles East of it, from Washington to Maine.

Not necessarily true. I-95 north of Skowhegan Maine and east of Bangor is pretty much red territory. Northern Maine and New Hampshire is pretty red. There are prog-libs mixed into the general demographic but the natives all know who they are..especially the most vocal ones. They are hated.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 17, 2018 1:00 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:... there's too much intermixing within states.

At the county level, the divisions are pretty cleanly drawn. The Hillary Archipelago is fairly small in area and would be easy to isolate from the real world. If they tried to invite invaders, we could easily nuke them, while the targets in the ocean of red separating the islands in the HA are too dispersed to be effectively harmed that way.

Hammerli280 wrote:... any Liberal-Land will degenerate into a Third World country within twenty years.

Most of the Hillary Archipelago is already Turd World. Tolerate street-shitters and you are the Turd World.

Blogger ace April 17, 2018 1:03 PM  

Talk of a national divorce is good rhetoric insofar as it gets people thinking about their interests in terms of land and community instead of abstractions. It's also smart to come off as having offered up a reasonable and peaceful solution, even if you know it won't work, just to show everyone that it won't. Trump does that all the time.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 1:06 PM  

I think we'd end up as 3-5 separate countries. rather than just 2.

Maybe after some years, but initially I think it's more likely it would be The Walking Dead sans zombies: warlords and fiefdoms that gradually re-form into states along social boundaries.

If the individual states were not utterly cucked I would have more hope for something closer to the Continental Congress, but that just isn't going to happen. A mere whispered suggestion of pulling federal road funding is enough to bring most states to heel.

It's going to have to get a lot worse before it can get better a lot better. I would say we are decades away from a dissolution if things continue to drip, or 10-15 years away if the left takes power after Trump and really goes overboard. And then who knows how long the civil unrest/war would go on.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 1:08 PM  

@39 paworldandtimes:

The modern Left is a psychodrama where broken, unhappy and sociopathic people act out their desire for revenge against the happy, the well-adjusted, and the normal. Obnoxious politics for obnoxious personalities.

That's a correct description. It also sounds like an episode of hysteria, and those things run their natural course until the energy is spent, or they are broken by force.

Jews have been able to maintain hysteria about their targets for centuries, and millennia for Christians. And Jews are driving a great deal of the Left's animus and attacks on legacy America.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 1:09 PM  

If California secedes they will be Venezuela North within a very few years, just another cesspool of crime and poverty.

Several of the founding fathers stated that only a virtuous people can support liberty and a democratic style of government. And there's the rub, we no longer have a virtuous society. We're eyeball deep in idiots, criminals, and perverts.

Blogger Othello April 17, 2018 1:16 PM  

The divorce is final. It was civil. The best interests of the children-like voters were turned over to corrupt lawyer/politicians cycles ago. The law of this case was established a long time ago.

Voters coming to terms with the final order have two post-nuptial options: (1) modification (2) enforcement. Those who do not follow the judicial order will be prosecuted for contempt by officers of the court as civilly as possible. Their removal, by impeachment, is unlikely at any household, local, state or national level.

Anything outside of (1)+(2) = (3) criminal. Officers of the law can arrest citizens with Probable Cause and force them to: (a) litigate the outcome in court (b) negotiate a plea bargain outside of court.

Who doesn't have to argue with illegitimate judicial branch authorities? We, The People of the Pale Horse after all the jurisdictions of the Black Horse and his Rider are defeated.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 1:19 PM  

Several of the founding fathers stated that only a virtuous people can support liberty and a democratic style of government.

Indeed, I believe it was Adams who qualified "a moral and religious people" as being the only ones who could govern themselves. Immoral and irreligious people, who have neither love for God nor honor for fellow-men, must instead be governed like cattle.

The mistake was in accepting immoral and irreligious people as our fellow-countrymen.

Blogger OGRE April 17, 2018 1:23 PM  

paulmurray wrote:How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

Others answered this above. I'd add that gauging this metric by government redistribution is an extremely simple-minded approach. The real question is how would the vast transfers of resources between and among the states be affected?

What happens if California is left to its own devices? It imports most of its water, food, and energy (with no tariffs on any of it), and it exports entertainment, social media, and cell phone apps. Think its expensive to live there now? Wait till the price of water, gasoline, electricity, and food triples. Forget about them trying to balance their pensions or build a high speed rail from LA to San Fran, they'll be struggling just to keep the desert from reclaiming its due. It would be a miracle if half their population remained within 5 years if they had to go it alone.

Blogger Pale Male April 17, 2018 1:27 PM  

buzzardist wrote:no divorce would resolve anything without demanding the massive relocation of millions and millions of people, perhaps as much as a third of the country or more. That degree of dislocation is unheard of except in the most bitter of wars. In America's case, if this dislocation were not the result of a war, the attempt to enforce it would cause a war.
You forgot something:  how did all those millions get interspersed in the first place?

A great deal of that was the jobs magnet for illegal immigrants.  Turn that magnet off and disemploy them, and they'll leave.  Yes, just like that.  Those Hispanic hordes will be replaced by machinery (much of it completely robotic) so fast it'll make your head spin.  If the blue enclaves don't want them either, their only option is to go back home.

There will be a corresponding boom in manufacturing of automated farm equipment, service robots for hotels, etc.

Of course, there are possibilities for productive use of those hordes on their way.  Heritage America could always dump them on Jew York and Commiefornia and collapse them, then march in to claim the territory.

Then there are the people who produce nothing and have no home to return to.  They like to burn down their own nests when they get unhappy, so they'll just be assisted in the effort and become part of the conflagration.  Sucks to be them but it already does, and nobody else will care.

Blogger Some Guy April 17, 2018 1:37 PM  

Too bad that they will never go for this, it's not just about getting free stuff. They actually have a need to impose their will on others. It's the really twisted part about Lefties.

Blogger Some Guy April 17, 2018 1:41 PM  

"Getting that gorilla off the back of industry would alone make separation worth it. It's also why the blue states will do everything they can to prevent the red states from escaping the empire."

The major issue on the map is the lack of deep water ports for the southern nation. You know what, to just get them to go away, I'll make that trade any day. We'll just build new ones.

Blogger Thucydides April 17, 2018 1:42 PM  

The map that should be used is the electoral map by county for the 2016 election. Let the Progs rot in their little "Blue" enclaves, drive the illegal aliens into them, send their portion of the national debt and unfunded liabilities and strictly enforce the borders. Most of the small Blue enclaves will collapse quite quickly, since they are not in any way self sufficient, so then they can be cleared and the people deposited in Venezuela-Norte or New York State while Americans move in to reclaim the vacated territory.

Watching the Progs jammed into their "Blue" cities and clawing each other like rats will be a fitting history lesson for several generations of Americans not to repeat the same mistakes.

Blogger saintCrispee April 17, 2018 1:52 PM  

What's the catalyst for this separation? I mean the political catalyst. Currently, the secession movement everywhere is so fringe it's not even a consideration, let alone a political movement.

Blogger James April 17, 2018 2:00 PM  

“And before you start screaming at me about the Civil War, keep in mind that bloody conflict was fought over one major issue.”

I don’t know this author, but I bet he believes that ONE MAJOR ISSUE was slavery. This is so historically ignorant, it’s hard to take his opinions seriously. Aesop addressed this author’s opinions here:

http://raconteurreport.blogspot.ca/2018/04/chickens-gonna-chickenshit.html

And I personally don’t think that Eastern Washington and Oregon, Idaho, Montana, North and South Dakota, Kentucky, and West Virginia would approve of his division.

“We cannot come together, but we do not have to live like this.”

If you want a visible issue that divides Right from Left, this is it. The Right is okay with divorce. Hey, go with God. Not that you believe in him, still….The Left cannot accept this. If they can’t get you to drink the Kool-Aid, they’ll get your kids or your grandkids to drink it. Orwell depicted it perfectly when he wrote that those of the Church of Big Brother would break you and get you to love Big Brother, after which they would kill you.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 17, 2018 2:07 PM  

Some Guy wrote:The major issue on the map is the lack of deep water ports for the southern nation.

Didn't that map put New Orleans and most of the Mississippi river in the Southern nation? That'll probably do for a port.

Blogger Metric April 17, 2018 2:08 PM  

There is a root issue that I never see discussed. High population density leads to aggressive behavior, in both rats and humans. In cities, this manifests as high crime rates and totalitarian political tendencies (which today translates into leftist politics). Any state that declares independence will again have to face this basic nightmare of human psychology, so long as dense cities form, becoming a poison pill for any form of democracy. I would hope that technology could help reduce the necessity of dense cities, but it seems a bit like wishful thinking.

Blogger BizDoc April 17, 2018 2:10 PM  

Here's a much better division:
https://www.vividmaps.com/2016/12/trumpland-and-clinton-archipelago.html

Blogger AaMcavoy April 17, 2018 2:12 PM  

Todd Brown wrote:The left is at a significant disadvantage in a civil war situation. By nature, cities are not self-sustaining on a basic survival level. They depend on obtaining food from outside sources. Starvation can be a real bitch.

Food isn't so much a problem since these cities are on the coast with good ports, allowing them to import food. Singapore doesn't make much, but it leverages its port quite well. Water might be a problem for these port cities, though many sit on rivers.

I wonder if the corn belt needs New Orleans more than New Orleans needs needs the corn belt. And even if our side takes New Orleans, it'd be handy for Florida to be friendly so we have a shipping lane that leaves the Gulf.

Blogger James April 17, 2018 2:18 PM  

paulmurray wrote:How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

This is not true. Since 2000, blue states have actually received more. Almost $13 trillion compared to $11.4 trillion. Plus, it seems that what made a State Blue or Red concerned which way they tilted in the Presidential elections. An even better indicator of what a lie this is would be if you broke States into urban and rural areas. Tell us how much in federal largesse “Blue” cities receive compared to the productive White rural areas in the same State. I’ve also heard libtards use the “Blue States have larger GNP’s than Red States”. They seem to be unaware of the fact that money transfers from taxpayers to parasites are considered part of the GNP.

Blogger dienw April 17, 2018 2:20 PM  

Shannon wrote:How do you think Plato’s republic fits in?

Plato's republic is a tyrant's wet dream.

Blogger DonReynolds April 17, 2018 2:25 PM  

He is right and he is wrong, at the same time.

WE have not become incompatible peoples. Regional divide has defined this country since colonial times. Accents are not new...in fact, they may be less pronounced today than in the past generations. Philosophical differences have always been there and were transplanted to this country from conflicts elsewhere.

Men in Boston and Philadelphia and Chicago have never had much in common with men in Dallas and Atlanta and Raleigh.

Yes, those differences came to blows 150 years ago and resulted in a civil war. Why didn't it happen sooner than "four score and seven years" later? It nearly did many times, but cooler heads were able to buy an uneasy and temporary peace through shitty compromises that everyone hoped would be permanent...but never were. No matter how much people compromise today, they will keep pushing in the future until they get what they want. Compromise is never a solution it only postpones the inevitable until later. You cannot compromise away incompatibility.

The issue of slavery would never go away by compromise and abolishing slavery did not make regional differences suddenly compatible.

People can live with incompatibility. Married people can live apart, in two separate homes, and be perfectly happy with the occasional phone call or mail. What they cannot do is live in the same house and sleep in the same bed and share the same table. At some point, that incompatibility is going to cause friction BECAUSE one is going to try to dominate the other and try to prevail and rule over them and this is going to spark rebellion and pushback. And any agreement along the way to respect each other's differences is going to be violated by the one wanting to dominate the other.

Yankee textile manufacturers benefited enormously from cotton picked by slaves. Working in the mills gave people paid employment and the mill owners became richer. Slavery caused no negative impacts on men in Boston, or Chicago, or Philadelphia. They benefited and profited by it. Philosophically, the hated it and they hated the slave owners, hundreds of miles from their own state. They bought guns and ammo, and gave money to terrorists like John Brown to murder people in Kansas and Virginia, they published hate, and financed political campaigns of people who shared their hate. Why? Because they insisted on ruling over people in other states and the only way they could do this (in addition to guns and propaganda) is through the Federal government, which they shared with people they hated. The Federal government was essentially weak, so to use that government to rule over people in other states, the Federal government must be made more powerful and more intrusive. The more powerful the Federal government became, the more men in Boston, Chicago, and Philadelphia could dominate and prevail over men in Dallas, New Orleans, and Atlanta.

Now we are at a point in this country where virtually everything is a "Federal matter" from bathroom assignment, to "proper" pronouns, to prohibited speech, to disallowed thoughts and beliefs. That is why the breakup is inevitable and it may include another civil war. Could it be avoided or prevented....most certainly! Stop trying to rule over people who live on the other side of the country and they will do the same thing.

Blogger Sam April 17, 2018 2:39 PM  

@100
It is a solved problem; see Japan, China and the rest of East Asia.

@102
The US is a major net food exporter; in a war situation it might not be possible to import food because there are food shortages and the dollar is worthless.

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2018 2:49 PM  

> It is Google funded by New York banks.

And how will that work when NYC is a radioactive crater? Because that's what will happen if war comes. There will be no holding back this time.

Blogger Baseball Savant April 17, 2018 2:55 PM  

map is garbage. Indiana goes with the FSA. No way Hoosiers are lumped in with the dregs.

Blogger Volpack April 17, 2018 2:56 PM  

Maybe I didn't understand the map, but some of our best deep water ports are in the Gulf.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 17, 2018 3:00 PM  

Deep Water Port: Houston Ship Channel Edition

Blogger mike myfree April 17, 2018 3:09 PM  

Gr8Again wrote:The left doesn't want a split. They want to exploit heritage Americans as tax slaves. If we had an amicable split, the leftist nations would quickly go bankrupt attempting to care for a much larger percentage of 3rd world immigrants and blacks. In short order, white liberals would recognize that they are hated in their own country and would quickly seek to join us.

And we would tell them to rot in the Hell THEY created.

Blogger Metric April 17, 2018 3:10 PM  

>@100 It is a solved problem; see Japan, China and the rest of East Asia.

1) We don't have enough Asians.

2) China doesn't look like a good example of high population density but free of totalitarian political tendencies. Offhand, it looks like exactly the problem I mention. I guess you could argue Hong Kong and Singapore are high on the economic freedom index (though for unusual historical reasons) -- but China, Japan and the rest of East Asia are not (relative to USA). That's before we get to issues of individual liberty like gun ownership/self defense.

Blogger BillD April 17, 2018 3:16 PM  

I have been wondering why the phrase "irreconcilable differences" has not figured more in public discussion of this issue.

Blogger CarpeOro April 17, 2018 3:28 PM  

Even odds that most of Michigan outside of the I94 corridor and the UP (with all the Finnish communist descendants) is further Right than where the author ran for Congress. Certainly more hunters. Borders tend to go along rivers and mountain chains. Anything else is wide open conflict and even natural borders aren't assurance of peace.

Blogger Pale Male April 17, 2018 3:31 PM  

Dunno about Finnish commies.  The UP of Michigan is part of a district that votes solid red.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 4:06 PM  

The mistake was in accepting immoral and irreligious people as our fellow-countrymen.

Even old John Adams himself was blind to the essential nature of (((Talmudic Satanists))). The earliest step-n-fetchits of the cartel were the Yankee merchant class and the Southern planter class (despite their mutual disdain). Civil War 1.0 made lots of shekels for merchant class and their lenders in (((City of London))), (((French Empire))), etc. - who at same time made a gambit to take over Mexico. The railroad lawyer from Illinois double-crossed the cartel by printing United States Notes to pay off the loans. The cartel sent Mr. Booth to collect the final payment. Wheels within wheels....

Blogger vorlos April 17, 2018 4:14 PM  

Ditto here

Blogger CarpeOro April 17, 2018 4:17 PM  

Pale Male wrote:Dunno about Finnish commies.  The UP of Michigan is part of a district that votes solid red.

Haven't kept up, but Bart Stupak wasn't that long ago and definitely not Red.

Blogger CarpeOro April 17, 2018 4:18 PM  

I haven't kept up that is. Or asked my cousin who lives up there about politics - see him so seldom that it is usually reminiscing or talking about music.

Blogger Shannon April 17, 2018 4:54 PM  

DeepState won’t make the same mistake of being over confident in their nominee next time around.

Blogger Some Guy April 17, 2018 4:56 PM  

"Didn't that map put New Orleans and most of the Mississippi river in the Southern nation? That'll probably do for a port."

I was wrong. That map is perfect!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Houston#/media/File:Usports_tonnage.svg

I only used this because I can't access infogalactic from work.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 5:09 PM  

Years ago, during the Obama administration, I saw the future as walled communities, the way it used to be.

Blogger Unknown April 17, 2018 5:23 PM  

A peaceful divorce is never going to happen. They will want what you have preferably before you leave but will come after it if you try to take ot with you. They don't care where you go as long as it's not anywhere they can see you or with anything. Their fight is not about land or resources or political control, it is about the end of you. They want you gone. They want you finished. They are not so much your enemy but your anti.

The problem is that they are unable to act without an agitator. That's not to be confused with a leader, as they do not wish to follow anyone, they just want to be agitated and kept there. They are addicted to agitation. They intenesly crave high alert. They have been raised on a diet of instant action, all problems solved in 2 hour movie format, mytube twatter facespace instacrap splinterest, the personal is political empowerment breaking bad crystal meth porn addiction. This is an enemy like no other in the history of the world. It is the D-generation. It is power for the sole purpose of feeling powerful. It is gratification for the sole aim of feeling the loss of desire so the desire may build once more.

Is this evil? Maybe, but it is not evil that can be overcome with good actions. It is not evil enough to give you something concrete to fight. You can fight it no more than you can stop water from pushing the air out of every void it flows into. You may be able to seal yourself in for a short time by plugging the holes and filling the voids, by being as above moral reproach as you can. But a physical wall is useless. Secession is just cellular division. No wall can be built that can keep this kind of enemy out. Israel knows this all too well. The enemy spawns from within. A drop becomes a puddle becomes a flood.

Make no mistake, this is the beginning of the war against the machine. It is the first real evidence we have that AI is in control and can muster a serf army. Submission is its battle standard. Addicted high alert screaming memee technophiles are its infantry. If you truly want a solution, then destroy Silicon Valley and everything in it. Unplug the internet. Dismember the beast. Poison the code so it can never work again. If that is not possible, then learn to submit.

Secession can do little when the enemy spawns from within. Leftism spawns from within. The more enslaved we become to technology the less autonomy we have and the more normal leftism will seem. It has already become the new normal. As long as the builders keep building the
machines, they will always gain ground. And they'll ensure the next wave is less permeable than the last.

The political ballot box is the biggest idiot distraction of them all. The greatest conflict is between the individual and institutions, and the machines are the institutions now. They can swing left or right as needs be. Secession from the feudal lordship of the machines is what you need to be planning, the rest is just commentary.

Blogger Avalanche April 17, 2018 6:29 PM  

@34 "In short, no divorce would resolve anything without demanding the massive relocation of millions and millions of people, perhaps as much as a third of the country or more."

You mean like the millions and millions -- the ONE-THIRD of Mexico's population -- that has already moved here?! Look, if they can go one way -- they can be sent back the same way! And, funny, thing, if we force our demographics back that far in time we can possibly even avoid breaking up the U.S.!

This will not be a divorce, it will be "throw their clothes on the lawn and change the locks on the door"! And that will be violent. And it will be necessary. All the somalis (and every other damned african invader will NOT happily board planes or boats to go back. (Ann Coulter is wrong about 'we owe the descendants of slaves' -- but I don't know what to do about them. I favor sending them back too.) The africans post-slavery certainly will need to be FORCED. All the Chinese and Asians and Japanese and ... every other NOT-US group will need to be FORCED to leave. Boats or planes, don't care; worth the cost! All the moslems who have come here to spread their horrors will not willingly leave -- they must be forced (or killed).

Hard thoughts, mean words -- do we want to SAVE the White Western civilization at all? There is NO White Western civilization without blocking -- and FORCING out -- the NON-Westerners who would -- and are -- destroying it.

I intentionally lied to my 14-yr-old friend, with her father's blessing, when I told her that *IF* her father and I (who talk and plan in front of her, and took her shooting; I even helped her get Mein Kampf to read, at her request!) ACTUALLY thought "the world was coming to war"; if we actually thought "the survivalism we're working on, the guns, ammo, and practice we're preparing were very soon NEEDED" -- we'd NOT be "living our normal lives" -- taking her to the gym and out for yogurt or to visit garden stores. SHE needs to still believe we adults are taking care of it. (She's just 14 for God's sake!) All the talking we're doing is partly cause it's fun; partly cause our county is "darkening" (damned obama program to move section-8 negros up here to lily-Whiteville!), and partly because the war IS coming!

WE ADULTS!?!? WE need to quit hoping and pretending it's all going to turn out well. It's not. Yes, we're hoping and praying the God Emperor can slow this ship of state down before it slams onto that rocky cliff that we're racing towards -- but no matter how strong a sea anchor he is -- the saboteurs are still aboard and frantically working to cripple the ship; they're still pulling more and more 'dead weight ballast' onboard, the damned liberals, judges, and RINOs keep trying to trip the captain, and most of our 'crew' are still waiting for direction or help or for someone else to do something.

There will not be a peaceable divorce. There will be a war (or wars) for space (oh: lebensraum!) and resources and control and safety. Prepare accordingly, and stop hoping for an EASY way out. There isn't one.

Blogger NoneOfTheAbove April 17, 2018 6:42 PM  

DonReynolds points out the incurable itch:

DonReynolds wrote:Because they insisted on ruling over people in other states...

Another author on the site actually replies to secession with this:

"There aren’t many things I’m willing to bury myself and two of my best friends over. Union is one of them. Union forever; hurrah boys, hurrah; down with the traitors and up with the star!"

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/12/suggest-amicable-divorce-america-talk-civil-war/

Blogger Meng Greenleaf April 17, 2018 7:23 PM  

How sad.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 7:35 PM  

Prepare for a war that will never happen. Besides, the leaders of the Alt Right, those living here and in foreign lands, are not going to leave their comfy redoubts, take up arms, and start shooting lefties and their acolytes.

And peaceful secession? Nope, a mere pipedream, as men and women in Boston and Philadelphia and Chicago have a common bond with men and women in Dallas and Atlanta and Raleigh.

Now, just for fun, let us assume there is this willingness to fight and die for each other for our mutually genetic interests. We are past the tipping point--lefties will never compromise. So who is willing to be St. Breivik rather than an armchair warrior? Because I would relish this war, as tens of millions of people would be culled, and we would then find out truly, rather than through speculating, if a maelstrom will ensure, with the Alt Right making it out on top. Because, in this scenario, there will be other groups out there--the globalists in particular with their paid armies--who will not even think twice about gutting the Alt Right.

Blogger Daniel April 17, 2018 8:05 PM  

I have no horse in this race, but i think you should say " caleavefornia". Lol

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 8:25 PM  

If only someone had assassinated the first judge to issue a school busing order.

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Blogger Al Du Clur April 17, 2018 8:40 PM  

There will be no divorce. The dream of being able to break up the country into red and blue stayed is just another way for whites to remain passive while their culture is destroyed and they become a persecuted minority.

The majority of non lefties are traditionalists who will have a hard time being ok with breaking up the country as long as they can live in a community that is still majority white. By the time things get to the stage where they can no longer escape the problems of multiculturalism, whites will no longer have the electoral numbers to win a vote on secession. And even if a state does breakaway, the business elite and chamber of commerce well still want cheap imported labor, churches will still want to virtue signal and single women will still want invaders.

Plus,Jews will still own the traditional and social media of the breakaway republics. The people who will need to vote to leave the union overwhelmingly worship their Jewish masters.

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Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 8:46 PM  

@33
"The left doesn't want a split. They want to exploit heritage Americans as tax slaves. If we had an amicable split, the leftist nations would quickly go bankrupt attempting to care for a much larger percentage of 3rd world immigrants and blacks. In short order, white liberals would recognize that they are hated in their own country and would quickly seek to join us."

Columbian immigration officer #1: Your reason for visiting Columbia today?

White Lib fleeing for his life from Libtardia: I want to move back to the state of my birth. Here's my birth certificate.

Columbia immigration officer #1: Do you have anything to declare?

Libtardian: Just this truck full of my household goods

Columbian immigration officer #1: Pull ahead into the secondary inspection area

...

Columbian immigration officer #2: You'll need to get out of
your vehicle while Customs does their thing

Libtardian: { gets out of truck }

Columbia immigration officer #2: Turn around, and hold your hands behind your back

Libtardian: Why?

Columbian immigration officer #2: Just do it, or I can send you back to dindu-land and an unpleasant death

Libtardian: Ok..ok. What's this about?

Columbia immigration officer #2: { handcuffs Libtardian }

Libtardian: Wait! Wait! I thought you just recognized my right of return to my country of birth!?!?

Columbian immigration officer #2: "And indeed, you have been granted re-admission. But there was never any promise that traitors would be allowed to enter as free men. If you're lucky, your execution will be firing squad."

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Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 8:51 PM  

@38 Patrick Kelly

""to fight and die for each other."

For my family, my neighbors, my parish, maybe even people I work with, but once you get outside that circle I don't have a whole lot of fks to give you.

Even this blog, the ilk or whoever, I have no real connection. Y'all could be a bunch of asylum patients or prepubescent wankers hovering over a screen in you mom's basement for all I know. Not that I think most of you are, I just have no way of knowing, and no connection outside of this blog.

I'm more that a bit disappointed I didn't get to any ilk-meets. I know some of you have historical bonds outside of and pre-dating Vox Populi. I envy you.

America or Americans not longer exist, maybe never did, that I have any affinity, loyalty, or affection for. I took an oath to defend the Constitution, but it is now a zombie document, infected and directed by a foreign host, used as a tool to destroy what it was intended to protect."

Fucking Irish....

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 8:56 PM  

@39

"That's a correct description. It also sounds like an episode of hysteria, and those things run their natural course until the energy is spent, or they are broken by force.

The natural course until the energy is spent.

You mean like 1920's Russia?
Post-WW2 China?
Post-WW2 Korea?
Post-WW2 Vietnam?
Cuba?
modern Cuba?

Dude, this level of mass hysteria NEVER burns itself out in anything less than 4 generations of wanton murder of anyone who doesn't buy into the mass hysteria.

Leftism is nothing less than mass-murder in the planning stages.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 8:58 PM  

@40

"How will the red states manage without the blue states, seeing as they are net recipients of federal money?

The leftists states don't create wealth, they collect a skim off the top, and pretend that it's self-sufficiency.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 9:09 PM  

@76

"I thought Czechoslovakia was two countries artificially smashed together."

Correct. Czechoslovakia was created by the Treaty of Versailles. Neither the Czechs or the Slovaks had any representation -- This was France and the U.K. carving up the old Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 9:11 PM  

@78

"How do you think Plato’s republic fits in?"

It DOESN'T.

That's whate every Marxist government on the planet is trying (and failing) to implement... because it's impossible.

Blogger Al Du Clur April 17, 2018 9:21 PM  

The dream of a divorce from blue states is second only to the mindless belief that the second amendment protects the first amendment among things the right believes that enables them to not come to grips with the dreadful world they are leaving for their descendents

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 9:45 PM  

@102

"Food isn't so much a problem since these cities are on the coast with good ports, allowing them to import food. Singapore doesn't make much, but it leverages its port quite well. Water might be a problem for these port cities, though many sit on rivers."

And what are they going to export to get the currency needed to pay for that food? Phone apps? Clunkers? Purple Hair and problem glasses?

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 9:52 PM  

@108

"map is garbage. Indiana goes with the FSA. No way Hoosiers are lumped in with the dregs."

Not even dark-as-midnight Gary, IN.

Blogger AaMcavoy April 17, 2018 10:09 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@102


And what are they going to export to get the currency needed to pay for that food? Phone apps? Clunkers? Purple Hair and problem glasses?


What does Singapore export? They made themselves excellent middlemen, by virtue of their excellent port. Also, there's still manufacturing in the coastal cities.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2018 10:37 PM  

The biggest impediment to any easy divorce/breakup of the country is that the divide is not so much sectional as it is like a piece of Swiss cheese - a mostly white/rural/right that stretches from sea to sea across much of the country's land area, with a bunch of concentrated multiracial/urban/left holes dotting the country, though of course getting bigger with time as the last 30 plus years have seen.

A simple two or even three-nation partition as the author of that article envisions would require mass migrations of people, and like with India/Pakistan, I don't see that happening without hostilities breaking out. There would be a better chance of peacefully deporting the recent immigrants, though the left is never going to agree to that either absent martial law.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 17, 2018 10:52 PM  

@143

"What does Singapore export? They made themselves excellent middlemen, by virtue of their excellent port. Also, there's still manufacturing in the coastal cities."

You do realize that they are right next to the Straights of Malacca, the busiest shipping lane on the planet -- which would be even busier if many ships didn't exchange loads
in the port of Singapore and turn around.

Americas East and West-Coast ports do NOT sit astride shipping lanes which would yield enough to take a skim off the top. America's sea ports are terminal destinations, not intermediate lay-overs.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman April 17, 2018 11:02 PM  

"Dunno about Finnish commies. The UP of Michigan is part of a district that votes solid red"

In fact there was a movement in the 70's to have the UP become a seperate state from Michigan. It gained some traction before fizzling out. Not surprising... its a whole other world up there. Reminds me a lot of northern Maine.

Blogger DonReynolds April 18, 2018 12:55 AM  

@144 cyrus83
"The biggest impediment to any easy divorce/breakup of the country is that the divide is not so much sectional as it is like a piece of Swiss cheese - a mostly white/rural/right that stretches from sea to sea across much of the country's land area, with a bunch of concentrated multiracial/urban/left holes dotting the country, though of course getting bigger with time as the last 30 plus years have seen."

The major cities are untenable, indefensible, and will be completely abandoned should there be hostilities. Just imagine if they did not exist, because they won't in a short time.

But you are right....there will not be a rational two-nation or three-nation outcome. There will be no negotiation to avoid a fight. Both sides want this and they are not interested in avoiding it.

If you want to see how regional the divide really is....or sectional.... just look at the presidential elections the past 20 or 30 years. Yeah, it is a coarse division but there has been little variation. Every four years we get much the same result. That is the division and it is not temporary. (The only difference between Obama 2008 and Obama 2012 was two states that tipped against him the second time.....North Carolina and Indiana.)

As a practical matter, how will people decide whether they need to leave or stay? If you feel safer and more comfortable staying....you should stay. If you think there is a safer place elsewhere, you need to go there.

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2018 7:46 AM  

@140 "The dream of a divorce from blue states is second only to the mindless belief..."

Yes, because we have this silly belief that a divorce is BETTER than murdering your partner and burying what's left in the back yard! It's that: "we're NOT lefties" sanity...

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2018 7:49 AM  

@102 "Food isn't so much a problem since these cities are on the coast with good ports, allowing them to import food."

FROM whom?! Where on this globe, as it sinks into violent warfare AND the next ice age, will there BE anyone selling food?! Maybe South Africa? Or all that open agricultural land across Europe that is covered with moslem immvaders? China?! WHO is going to be 'exporting' food to our leftie parasites?!

Blogger AaMcavoy April 18, 2018 11:42 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@143

Americas East and West-Coast ports do NOT sit astride shipping lanes which would yield enough to take a skim off the top. America's sea ports are terminal destinations, not intermediate lay-overs.



There may be enough to buy food. We're not talking about BMWs or jets, just food.

Blogger AaMcavoy April 18, 2018 11:45 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@102 "Food isn't so much a problem since these cities are on the coast with good ports, allowing them to import food."

FROM whom?! Where on this globe, as it sinks into violent warfare AND the next ice age, will there BE anyone selling food?! Maybe South Africa? Or all that open agricultural land across Europe that is covered with moslem immvaders? China?! WHO is going to be 'exporting' food to our leftie parasites?!


Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and New Zealand currently export billions of USD worth of food.

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