Wednesday, April 04, 2018

The spirit of privacy

Facebook's newfound commitment to data protection and privacy is mostly theoretical:
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has said that new data privacy laws will only apply “in spirit” to more than three quarters of the company’s users.

Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) will force the social network to comply with strict rules about the privacy of its European users. But Mr Zuckerberg failed to commit to rolling out the protections globally.

“We’re still nailing down details on this, but it should directionally be, in spirit, the whole thing,” Mr Zuckerberg said on Tuesday. With only 17 per cent of its 2.2 billion users residing within Europe, the vast majority of Facebook's users will not benefit from the new rules.
But on the plus side, they've already scanned all your messages anyhow:
Facebook Inc. scans the links and images that people send each other on Facebook Messenger, and reads chats when they’re flagged to moderators, making sure the content abides by the company’s rules. If it doesn’t, it gets blocked or taken down.

The company confirmed the practice after an interview published earlier this week with Chief Executive Officer Mark Zuckerberg raised questions about Messenger’s practices and privacy. Zuckerberg told Vox’s Ezra Klein a story about receiving a phone call related to ethnic cleansing in Myanmar. Facebook had detected people trying to send sensational messages through the Messenger app, he said.

“In that case, our systems detect what’s going on,” Zuckerberg said. “We stop those messages from going through.”
Of course, it's not as if Google isn't doing exactly the same thing with Gmail and Microsoft isn't doing the same thing with Skype. If it's on the Internet, someone other than the intended target is reading it. Count on it.



Blogger Looking Glass April 04, 2018 6:56 PM  

The "War of Facebook" is fascinating in both strategic & historic sense. The MSM, as a faction, actually hates Facebook, and it's noticeably with how much glee they're attacking them right now. This is a clear factional war, yet this also looks like a planned attack that's leading to an internecine pile-on, at a time when the UniParty can least afford to have one.

As to the point of this post, notice in the last chunk how Zuckerberg is making fairly plain that Facebook is actually a spy system first. "Our systems detect what's going on". That's the point of them.

Can we call for the Arrest of the entire Facebook board & all executives?

Blogger Jack Ward April 04, 2018 7:04 PM  

Can we call for the Arrest of the entire Facebook board & all executives?
The Prez can do just about anything he wants to in the interest of national security. Justify later; muddy up the water, delay, rinse and repeat. Right out of the lefts playbook. Good for the goose good for the gander, I say.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 04, 2018 7:08 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:Justify later; muddy up the water, delay, rinse and repeat. Right out of the lefts playbook. Good for the goose good for the gander, I say.

I stand with Jack Ward.

Blogger Johnny April 04, 2018 7:09 PM  

It seems forgone that Facebook would sell info to the government. I wonder if there is anything beyond that. Given also our selective methods of enforcing law and the expectation that the company is subsidized, it would seem that nothing is going to change.

If the gov wants to know, your bank account, credit cards and all the telephone stuff is more or less public. And it seems like the Internet is the same thing. If I really needed privacy I would buy a computer for cash and never turn it on while at home.

Blogger tuberman April 04, 2018 7:13 PM  

2. Jack Ward

Might be difficult, as I heard the Zuck is out of country now, and maybe hiding. We'll see.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 04, 2018 7:13 PM  

All your sex chat belong to us

Blogger tuberman April 04, 2018 7:27 PM  

OT. I'ma gonna go hide out and read some Castilia House books now.

Blogger Anchorman April 04, 2018 7:33 PM  

I'm sure our alphabet agencies don't have folks parked at both companies, "helping" with the monitoring.

Blogger Looking Glass April 04, 2018 7:40 PM  

@8 Anchorman

Well, until the Snowden releases, they didn't encrypt their inter-server traffic between their main servers because it already operated on an interior Network, so there was already a basic encryption layer over that. Funny thing, the NSA are the masters of intercepts.

Though most major Tech Companies have employees paid by the NSA. They've been doing that for a long, long time. I believe it was in the early 1980s where they poisoned some tech products for export that caused a bunch of Russian gas pipelines to explode. Things along those lines.

Blogger English Tom April 04, 2018 7:41 PM  

I also stand with Jack Ward (even though I'm sitting down at the moment!).

Blogger Dave April 04, 2018 7:49 PM  

Vox, are you going to Skype soon on Dialogue? Any news on Rolling Stone?

Blogger Unknown April 04, 2018 8:31 PM  

Testing, testing. This is a Gamma ban test. Moderators only. Non-moderator replies will be deleted.

Cochise, take that eagle feather and shove it up your tight ass. Try not to tickle Snidely when you do it. That is all.

Moderator monitoring begins at 0500 Zulu.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 04, 2018 8:37 PM  

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 04, 2018 8:57 PM  

Skyler the Weird wrote:All your sex chat belong to us


Blogger Ceerilan April 04, 2018 9:48 PM  

All good Catholics have heard of the spirit of Vatican 2. This concept is championed by those hell-bent on changing the church into not-the-church. The argument is simple. They are people who have read and studied the documents of V2, and have been infused with its spirit. They then go on to try changing the church in ways V2 did not specify, or worse, explicitly warns against. Because of this, among failful Catholics, the spirit of Vatican 2 has become a synonym for heterodoxy.

THAT is the sense in which I guess spirit is being used by Mr Zuckerberg.

Blogger Joseph Maroney April 04, 2018 10:32 PM  

It's all just lip service. Internet privacy is completely unenforceable. You can also count on governments feigning horror while sharing the spoils. They're the likely instigators of it in the first place.

Blogger Thad tuiol April 05, 2018 1:32 AM  

There's a reason intelligence agencies still use good old fashioned snail mail and dead letter drops like in a John Le Carre novel - it's still much the best way of guaranteeing that only the intended recipient reads the contents thereof.

Anonymous Anonymous April 05, 2018 2:58 AM  

I'll start caring about the privacy of those who use "social networking" techs when they show me that they care about their own privacy. That means don't use platform that requires you to use your real name, give your phone number, or any kind of real contact information. Don't post pictures of your kids using real names, or identifying what schools they go to. Only trust your own computer, preferably one you built yourself and installed the OS on. Don't trust any un-rooted smartphone, as both Goolag-owned Android and iPhone make it impossible to tell what an app is doing.

If you show you care, I will care. Otherwise, if you get data-raped, don't come to me for sympathy.

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2018 3:44 AM  

Soundtrack suggestion: Big Data - Dangerous (ft. Joywave).

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 05, 2018 3:47 AM  

@Sidehill Dodger

"If you get data raped"?

How about when we got data raped?

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2018 4:11 AM  

I am not familiar with a "jaipur". Household "shifting"? What kind of spam is this?

Blogger Meng Greenleaf April 05, 2018 6:06 AM  

Does Whatsapp have end-to-end encryption?

Blogger Not a lefty April 05, 2018 6:45 AM  

For the couple of years I was still using Facebook after Snowden, I refused to install that virus on my phone, choosing to use their mobile site instead. It turns out I was right about doing that, at least to the extent that my calls, texts and (new) contacts were not exploited.

Now I'm working on a plan to dump Goolag as well by going Hillary on them and setting up my own mailer in my basement. Testing is going well so far.

Blogger heyjames4 April 05, 2018 6:49 AM  

Were the phone company and western union as wedded to the surveillance state in their heyday?

Blogger Not a lefty April 05, 2018 6:52 AM  

"Does Whatsapp have end-to-end encryption?"

They claim they do, but they're owned by the F-borg, so would you trust their claims?

The only viable end to end encryption available to us proles is PGP email encryption.

Blogger KSC April 05, 2018 9:04 AM  

Kevin Mitnik just came out with a new book on all of this. The basic conclusion is that if you want privacy you're going to have to treat your internet life as you might in a spy novel: get your computer through someone else via cash, use only hotspots or open Wi-Fi networks, have no connection to your personal data whatsoever (even signing into your regular email once means you are compromised), turn off any phone or computer during sensitive conversations, use things like Protonmail for secure encryption, and for a last resort keep all sensitive information exclusively in print or spoken.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah April 05, 2018 9:20 AM  

Update: the original 50 million figure has increased to 87 million. RIP Facebook

Blogger Anonymous Conservative April 06, 2018 8:02 AM  

That is really the difference. Nobody cares about archiving, or mass storage with review for national security later, if ever.

But that the messages are actually read by people, and shared, and in some cases categorized in your file is what will freak people out. It feels very confrontational from an instinctual perspective, almost like a territorial intrusion.

It is just that now, nobody can imagine that occurs widely, or that the nude selfie the girl sends her guy is actually filtered out, flagged, seen, and then passed around, or watched by people who know her in the machine. When it comes out how often that is going on throughout everyone's life, I predict a split in America.

Because it really is like two countries, the overt, and the shadow country which views the overt as inferior and subordinate.

It can't end well unless it gets reined in before the majority finds out.

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