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Friday, April 13, 2018

The upside of Holocaustianity

We can use it to jail all the Millennials. Or at least one-fifth of them.
22% of millennials say they have never heard of the Holocaust, or aren’t sure whether they have heard of it. That is rather shocking, but the ignorance isn’t confined to millennials: 11% of all respondents gave the same answer.

49% of millennials couldn’t identify any concentration camps or ghettos. That seems appalling, but 45% of all respondents couldn’t name any, either. Two-thirds of millennials can’t say what Auschwitz was. I think at least part of what is happening here is that American high schools are so obsessed with social justice, race, etc., that they don’t teach much about actual facts. Like history.

Most survey respondents say that there is anti-Semitism in the U.S., which of course is true. But many Americans vastly over-rate, in my judgment, the number of neo-Nazis. 34% of respondents say there are “many neo-Nazis in the U.S.,” while 17% say there are “a great deal of Neo-Nazis in the US.” These are people, I suspect, who have been systematically misled by the education system and the news media. Some of our high schools seem to devote much of their efforts to combatting neo-Nazis, notwithstanding that in all likelihood, no one associated with the school has ever seen one.

As usual when such questions are asked in polls, the lack of support for free speech rights is discouraging. Only 15% of respondents agree that “People should be allowed to use Nazi slogans or symbols.”
Don't be discouraged by the lack of support for free speech, utilize it! Anyhow, I find this poll to be tremendously amusing in light of my past debates on a related subject with Louise Mensch, which, but for archive, have been memory-holed, and the increasingly irrelevant Jonah Goldberg.
Jonah Goldberg ‏@JonahNRO
1. Apologize for racist & Jew-hating, "kids" as they celebrate murder etc. 2. ????? 3. Total GOP victory. @Nero's grand 2016 strategy.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Jonah, no one under the age of 40 gives a damn about Holocaustianity anymore than they do about the Sicilian Vespers.

Jonah Goldberg ‏@JonahNRO
Vox, 1. That's horseshit 2. Even if it wasn't, that's not an argument for saying disgusting and bigoted things for laughs.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
How much do you care about the Left calling you racist? That's how much #AltRight cares about being called anti-semitic.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
What do those called anti-semites for supporting Trump have to fear? They'll be called anti-semites a second time? So what?

Hank Coates ‏@hankhank30
complete and utter horseshit. I went to school with holocaust survivor grandkids. Fuck that fascist.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Nobody cares. The Hispanics don't care. The blacks don't care. The Asians don't care. Most whites don't anymore.

Milo Yiannopoulos ✘ ‏@Nero
The left robbed racist, sexist and homophobic of meaning. The right did the same to anti-semitic. No one under 40 cares about any of them.

Nunuya Bizinizz ‏@wahrbear
I'm confirming @voxday's assertion here. Early Millennail Jew and I really find holocaust whiners embarrassing.

AltRightJew ‏@AltRightJew
agreed. Unless you lived through it and endured it, not really interested in hearing you whine about it.

Jonah Goldberg ‏@JonahNRO
All day this crap. Thanks @nero and @voxday your friends get your back
It's rather remarkable how cuckservatives always cling to the idea that reality is what they wish it to be rather than what objective observation reports that it actually is. The cucks are insisting that everyone under 40 worships Judeo-Christ and believes the Holocaust to be the worstest and most evilist crime in human history ever while Jewish organizations are wringing their hands over the inevitable fact that younger generations increasingly don't even know what the Holocaustian preachers are banging on about in the first place, much less care about it.

If I were a Jew, I wouldn't worry about the events of 73 years ago. Instead, I'd worry about the fact that, based on the historical pattern, the West is considerably closer to the next pogrom than the previous one. Given the way in which Prime Minister Netanyahu has repeatedly called on the diasporans to return to Israel and the Learned Elders of Wye have been discussing when to jump ship for over a decade, I am confident that I am far from the only one who recognizes the pattern.

I note, in passing, that the GOP did indeed win big in 2016, thanks to Trump and others ignoring the advice of Jonah Goldberg. I was wrong about one thing, however. We care considerably less about being called anti-semitic than Jonah cares about being called racist.

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Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 13, 2018 6:43 AM  

Why not Rwanda? Cambodia? Or the Balkans? Or contemporary Libya? Those are all a lot closer than the Holocaust.
It's obvious why not, but pointing it out could lead to a chance of frustrating the holocaustianity virtue-signalers.
The way Goldberg got smacked down and routed was a glorious way to start the day. Thanks for sharing that.

Blogger Lazarus April 13, 2018 6:47 AM  

Shulamit Aloni was an Israeli politician. She founded the Ratz party, was leader of the Meretz party and served as Minister of Education from 1992 to 1993. In 2000, she won the Israel Prize.

In a 2002 interview with American journalist Amy Goodman, Aloni said that charges of antisemitism are "a trick we use" to suppress criticism of Israel coming from within the United States, for criticism coming from Europe "we bring up the Holocaust."

Anonymous Anonymous April 13, 2018 6:47 AM  

My observations are only anecdotal, but I am observing that the increasingly shrill cries and behavior from SJW's, Cucks and Alt-Retards are making the Alt-West(Alt-Right) increasingly attractive.

Nationalism is natural. Anything else is deviant.

I also think that you will increasingly see young Jews, like those who spoke up in your exchange with Goldberg, supporting the Alt-West.

--ZhukovG

Blogger tuberman April 13, 2018 6:56 AM  

Yes, great fun at Goldberg's expense to start the day. Thanks.

Anonymous Anonymous April 13, 2018 6:56 AM  

I do not care about the holocaust and I am old. Heard about it all my life.

I once heard a very smart Jew get asked what he thought about the holocaust by a student. He responded, "which one?" I thought that a great answer.

Besides, the official story has changed often since the 50s and it looks like a lot of the official story might be propaganda. People died, crimes were committed and so forth --- but what is true and what is simply propaganda? I don't know. Worse for many Jews, I don't care.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 13, 2018 7:00 AM  

"Two-thirds of millennials can’t say what Auschwitz was."

My favorite is Knackwurst, closely followed by Bratwurst. Those Germans really know their sausage.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 13, 2018 7:10 AM  

"I was wrong about one thing, however. We care considerably less about being called anti-semitic than Jonah cares about being called racist."

Yeah, I was kind of scratching my head when reading that. He cares quite a bit about being called racist, no?

But admittedly I've not read much of his writing over the years, just an occasional thing. And certainly never followed his Twitter antics.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 13, 2018 7:13 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Aloni said that charges of antisemitism are "a trick we use" to suppress criticism

No, say it isn't so. I'm not sure I've ever seen it admitted to this way. Trade secrets, and all.

Of course it's so bleeding obvious that only the most naive can't see it.

Blogger exfarmkid April 13, 2018 7:16 AM  

Michael Knowles did a podcast yesterday, triggered by this survey. Titled: "Germany: The worst country in history".

It's pretty hilarious. Even more when you realize he's serious.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 13, 2018 7:18 AM  

And yes, I was one of the naive, years ago. But in my defense I would also argue that I had very little exposure to Jews at all, much less the most obnoxious Holocaustianity preachers.

But I was too naive in things political in general, for sure. I just had no understanding of how blatantly and shamelessly many people will lie, lie, lie.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 13, 2018 7:19 AM  

The power slipping through their fingers is driving them mad.

Anonymous Anonymous April 13, 2018 7:35 AM  

@9. exfarmkid
Maybe he should ask himself why the Germans voted for Hitler.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 7:37 AM  

You know, I AM an antisemite. I refuse to bend a knee to an arab, whether jewish or Muslim.

Two of my great uncles and my great-grandfather gave their lives protecting those ungrateful shits. I am sick to DEATH of them calling me, and white people LIKE me, some kind of jerk that has to pay for the crimes of the people that murdered MY family.

I want them the hell out of my country. I don't care if they are 'born here' or not. I don't care if they are on my side. And if they won't go, make them leave.

Rest assured that if they get shot it won't be because they are 'racially inferior', or because we are 'jealous of their smarts and ability with money'. It's because they are like that crappy Guest at a party that showed up uninvited, drank all the booze, made unwelcome sexual overtures at the hostess, set the drapes on fire, pilfered the medicine cabinet and complained about everything in the house loudly the whole time, and now Just....won't....go....home.

No. They are unwelcome here now. If they are ostensibly an ally, I am sorry, but it's their turn to go home too... They failed to keep a reign on their relatives, and now everyone has to go, no matter how much of a 'nice guy' you are.

No gentile should ever sacrifice their lives to protect them. No one should give them shelter in their homes. No one should lift a finger to shield them from the result of their own folly, their own greed, and their own inability to police their own or learn from the mistakes of their past. They have worn out their welcome


Never again.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 13, 2018 7:52 AM  

Their narrative is too thin. The Holocaust made sense as a rhetorical weapon if you controlled media and education in the very different post-WW2 demographic and societal landscape. Now it just seems like another middling 20th-century "cleansing."

The irony is that their "new Americans" care the least. Many would gladly holocaust them again.

Blogger Robert What? April 13, 2018 7:55 AM  

Jewish organizations like the ADL are virtually silent about Christians being slaughtered and churches being burned across the Middle East and North Africa. Why should anyone care about the supposed Holocaust?

Anonymous Anonymous April 13, 2018 7:59 AM  

Crikey, some people are slow.

I remember being a school kid, a couple of decades ago, and thinking the time limit on caring about WWII was fast approaching.

It wasn't hard to see: people, teachers and adults, cared dramatically less about WWI, to the point of not really caring, and nobody cared about anything before that. Not emotionally.

It was obviously all just a factor of time (and yes propaganda, but that weakens with time as well).

I figured back then it'd be another event and date set to be utilised in tests and of not much more concern to most people in the not too distant future. Apparently I was optimistic about even the learning of the basic historical facts.

Blogger AdognamedOp April 13, 2018 8:06 AM  

These stats will only make them double down on holla cost tinny blasphemy laws.

Blogger Desdichado April 13, 2018 8:08 AM  

@13: As recently as two or three years ago, I would have been absolutely scandalized by the thoughts expressed here. Now, I mostly agree with them, and I can clearly see the trend that within a very short number of years, the majority of whatever is left of Western Civilization will obviously see the same thing.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 13, 2018 8:15 AM  

http://archive.is/21N0i

Blogger tz April 13, 2018 8:19 AM  

The Generation of a new Choice, where one in four was murdered in the womb doesn't care about one of the other Holocausts? Quelle Suprise!
Or the Pulizer winning coverup of the Holodomor - no museums to that, but lots of Holocaust Memorials.

Since we are pulling down confederate monuments and (((some))) people are among those pushing for it, why should we have memorials to something that didn't involve us - unless they wish to add WW2 memorials (my Father was wounded in Combat fighting the Nazis, but they don't even seem to care about that).

But American Jews changed. When pagan german national socialists came up with their final solution, the American Jews decided that US Christianity must be trashed out of some kind of irrational fear. Synagogues that had Moses and David murals replaced them with Holocaust murals.

Today Jews screaming "Holocaust" are like Blacks screaming "Slavery" or "Jim Crow". They are looking for repairations of people that weren't around or responsible and resent the hectoring.

Beyond that, it wasn't just Jews in the camps and it often comes off as if Jews don't care about anyone else Hitler killed, even the Poles who also were fighting the Nazis, hence the law against libeling the Nazi activities as Polish.

Blogger Robert Browning April 13, 2018 8:19 AM  

Every hundred years, like clock work.

Blogger Student in Blue April 13, 2018 8:23 AM  

I had to remind a coworker who's only a couple of years younger than me that, yes, Hitler was "the one who did that Holocaust thing".

Strangely enough, he didn't seem that upset about it either when he remembered it. Shocking.

Blogger Avalanche April 13, 2018 8:23 AM  

DIRE BADGER FOR PRESIDENT!!! 2024!
@13
I want them the hell out of my country.
I don't care if they are on my side.
And if they won't go, make them leave.
It's because they are like that crappy Guest at a party that showed up uninvited, drank all the booze, made unwelcome sexual overtures at the hostess, set the drapes on fire, pilfered the medicine cabinet and complained about everything in the house loudly the whole time, and now Just....won't....go....home.
No gentile should ever sacrifice their lives to protect them. No one should give them shelter in their homes. No one should lift a finger to shield them from the result of their own folly, their own greed, and their own inability to police their own or learn from the mistakes of their past. They have worn out their welcome
Never again.


Love your platform, when can we begin volunteering in your campaign?!

Blogger Dexter April 13, 2018 8:24 AM  

"part of what is happening here is that American high schools are so obsessed with social justice, race, etc., that they don’t teach much about actual facts"

Oh Lord. Teaching muh Holocaust IS part of the obsession with social justice. It did not happen in America or to Americans; there is no particular reason to focus on it in US classrooms. The only reason we hear so much about it is that it happened to the co-religionists of a noisy and influential minority. For the same reason, we'll probably hear more about Japanese atrocities in China and the Bengal famine than about muh Holocaust in the future.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 13, 2018 8:24 AM  

Funny stuff. Others above pointed out the main reason for the anger: outright disinterest. Most United States students don't know who Henry Kissinger was let alone Ann Frank. Hollywood and groups like the ADL are all Holocaust all the time yet post-Boomers don't care. It must, well, burn.

Blogger Avalanche April 13, 2018 8:25 AM  

@14 The irony is that their "new Americans" care the least. Many would gladly holocaust them again.

So would many "old" Americans!

Blogger tuberman April 13, 2018 8:28 AM  

If I recall correctly, the Jewish population had an obsession with the 6 million number at least 40 years before WWII. Coincidence?

Blogger Credo in unum Deum April 13, 2018 8:34 AM  

50-60 million people died in WWII but the Jews are the only ones that count.

Blogger Avalanche April 13, 2018 8:39 AM  

@24 "Teaching muh Holocaust IS part of the obsession with social justice. It did not happen in America or to Americans; there is no particular reason to focus on it in US classrooms."

And yet, (((they))) actually force the schools to shut down ALLLLLLL teaching every single year to spend two days on "oy vey! The Holocaust!! (You guilty White bastards!)"

Here in GA they actually HAVE a "Holyhoax Day" -- when the schools must "memorialize" the holy "Six Million" and work harder to inculcate that ALL non-Jews are ALL-anti-semitic ALWAYS!

My darling 14-yr-old neighbor-girl (long-ago German heritage) has heard me "haranguing" her parents. I'm awakening them -- and doing a pretty good job! -- little pitcher with big ears turns out to be listening...

After trying to reconcile what she's (over-)heard from me, and "learned" in school (and she's got a pretty good b.s. detector, thanks to her dad)-- and including getting her mom to stop and tour the Holyhoax Museum in D.C. on a trip through, and finding herself baffled why OUR tax dollars built THAT museum.... she asked me one day if I had a copy of Mein Kampf she could borrow to read. Which she DID read: Smart little girl! But she is .... unhappy .... about the forced school days (modern Passion Play?!) of "jewyjewyjewy" as The Derb might put it? Instead of American history... And it's inflicted on her and he schoolmates EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.

Blogger Nate April 13, 2018 8:47 AM  

"On Yom HaShoah we remember the six million Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust. With each passing year, our duty to remember this atrocity increases as we pledge #NeverAgain. #HolocaustRemembranceDay"

In case you forgot Trump was a babyboomer...

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 13, 2018 8:48 AM  

@Credo in unum Deum

That's the attitude that's made me care less and less about Jewish deaths during WWII.

At one time we were taught that many different people died in concentration camps. [Current year] now states that only Jews did.

Blogger Dave April 13, 2018 8:49 AM  

Dammit, these Holocaust museums in every town and city aren't​ working; the only solution is to put a Holocaust museum in every house! Senator Chuck U. Schumer where are you?

Blogger Elizabeth April 13, 2018 8:52 AM  

As a child, I knew about the Holocaust and Anne Frank, but it was simply one of the many terrible things that happened in the 1930s and 1940s Europe. The de-emphasis on WWII became noticeable with the broadcast of the "Holocaust" miniseries in 1978. The Holocaust certainly provided new story lines for Hollywood films, faced with the declining popularity of WWII movies.

A sage observed something to the effect that at one time, the Holocaust was a part of WWII, but then WWII became the backdrop to the Holocaust.

Blogger tuberman April 13, 2018 8:53 AM  

In workout room (small, free, close to home) and a mulatto lady had on a Torah-Christian show. She was saying many Amens and crap.

It was so bad, I wondered, would I have been taken in by any of this 20-30 years ago. Not a chance. This insanity has been pushed further, because Jews are desperate, and it is for people already deeply committed for other reasons. I bit my tongue, and changed the channel after she left.

The signs of their leaking power are everywhere, including with this over-the-top, paid by Jews form of Christianity.

Blogger lazlo azavaar April 13, 2018 8:55 AM  

As a pale white hispanic (yeah, I gotta go)I don't even care about the Hollakolla.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 13, 2018 9:02 AM  

24. Dexter

"It did not happen in America or to Americans; there is no particular reason to focus on it in US classrooms."

This is where Judeo-Christ comes in.

It's the flip-side of white guilt. We must forever treat muh Holocaust as a crime against us all.

Of course it's incoherent. You have a lot of rhetorical slack when you control the social levers and MPAI.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 13, 2018 9:05 AM  

that's hilarious.

((( Hollywood ))) has turned multiple cable channels into nearly 24 hr / day Muh Hitler channels
...
and evidently nobody is watching these shows except for Jews masturbating about how much sympathy this is going to get them.

Blogger S1AL April 13, 2018 9:06 AM  

In terms of scope and relative population, the Holocaust wasn't even the worst genocide of the 20th century.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 9:10 AM  

Desdichado wrote:@13: As recently as two or three years ago, I would have been absolutely scandalized by the thoughts expressed here. Now, I mostly agree with them, and I can clearly see the trend that within a very short number of years, the majority of whatever is left of Western Civilization will obviously see the same thing.

It's built up over time, and climaxed when a purple-haired freak screamed at me for over an hour for putting an outdoor christmas tree on my balcony. I don't want them dead, I want them to go home. America went to a HUGE amount of trouble to give them the home they WANTED, up to and including displacing the native population that had moved in after they chased OUR people out.


The Irony is that, if you look at the beginning of the Nazi Reign, It was nearly the same situation... they wanted them GONE, they gave them a homeland, and even paid enormous sums to move them there. The ones in the 'Holocaust' were the ones that REFUSED TO GO HOME.

I am not a Nazi... Nazis were failures, and socialist idiots. Their SOLDIERS were brilliant, and worthy of the utmost respect, but their social system? Nightmarish socialism, just like every other socialism. The Luftwaffe without the Reich would have been a wonder to behold.


@Avalanche- I'd make a terrible president. I'd make Duterte look like Jerry Brown. I know psycho liberals can change, I used to be one... but I have no patience for the effort.

Blogger Jew613 April 13, 2018 9:10 AM  

It's been too long. Most people are indifferent to events they have no personal connection to. While the Holocaust will always be important to Jews most Goyim simply don't care anymore. Shoving it down their throats only breeds resentment.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 13, 2018 9:14 AM  

Hmph. I think part of the issue is that the Second World War is 75 years ago. Nazis, Holocaust survivors...there aren't many left.

And the constant guilt trip has run out. That's what frustrates me, the constant attempt to make the West feel guilty. What were we to do? Declare war? We DID declare war! Invade Europe? We DID invade Europe! Liberate the camps? We DID liberate the camps, marking the path with our fallen every inch of the way.

And there's another factor. Take a look at what the kids are being taught, and the Jews don't get the attention that the homosexuals do.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah April 13, 2018 9:21 AM  

Expanding on this, current generations don't care as much about their parents generation, even less so what happened during their grandparents time. You ask millennials questions about the American Revolution you'd find the same clueless expression.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 13, 2018 9:24 AM  

IMO carping about what jews do or don't do from us on the right is mainly therapy. The real hate is going to come from the Left, see the Left is a cat fight of groups clawing their way to the top and who sits on top, yep you know who.

What really would have shocked the boomercon cuck at powerline is to poll those kids and see how many said Hitler didn't go far enough.

As I wrote a couple of days ago, half the Democratic party's base would apply for guard work at the next set of camps, and a vocal minority of said Democratic voter base would volunteer to light the pilot lights on the ovens.

Sorry my jewish friends but when they came for this cracker no one said shit except "get that racist."

Blogger artensoll April 13, 2018 9:29 AM  

19. Aeoli: http://archive.is/21N0i

Thank you

Blogger Ken Prescott April 13, 2018 9:36 AM  

"I do not care about the holocaust and I am old. Heard about it all my life."

Do I care about the Holocaust? Yes, but only insofar as it is another benchmark on what Robert Conquest called "A Ravaged Century."

The 20th Century pretty much lanced the boil of 19th-century moralism that somehow equated hum social progress in technology and science with some sort of alchemical change in the fundamental nature of Man.

Nope, we're still the same we've always been, whose seat of emotion is a part of the brain that we share in common with such peaceable critters as cats and lizards.

About all we've managed to do is become much more clever in our methods of mayhem and our sophistry in rationalizing it...

Blogger artensoll April 13, 2018 9:38 AM  

42. ReluctantMessiah: Expanding on this, current generations don't care as much about their parents generation, even less so what happened during their grandparents time. You ask millennials questions about the American Revolution you'd find the same clueless expression.

If left up to the education system, yes. If parents aren't talking to their children about history in terms of their own family, why would they care?

I frequently tell my small person about our ancestors' sacrifices in defence of our country. Yesterday she was running round the park pretending to be a Spitfire. When I asked what she was doing, she said "I'm shooting down Narcissists!" Bless.

Blogger Drew April 13, 2018 9:44 AM  

They need to test Holocaust knowledge by race. I imagine that blacks and Hispanics would do exceptionally poorly.

Blogger Craig Kerr April 13, 2018 9:49 AM  

Jonah and the other Cuckservatives don't really care about being called racist. They use a faux concern about not being called racist as an excuse to push their tribal and donor agendas.

Blogger B.J. April 13, 2018 9:50 AM  

Jews like Jonah are like that one friend who got divorced after her husband cheated on her and hasn't shut up about it for 20 years. Yeah we know, we was a jerk, get over it already Debbie.

Blogger Bobiojimbo April 13, 2018 9:53 AM  

There is one in important lesson that future generations can take away from the Holocaust: don't your let your people be wiped out.

However, democide is rather faux pas this era, but immigration is all the rage.

Blogger Nate April 13, 2018 10:02 AM  

Its not 1938. They have a place to go. When it starts getting bad... they have a choice to make.

Should I stay or should I go?

Just remember if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

Blogger Crew April 13, 2018 10:14 AM  

Besides, the official story has changed often since the 50s and it looks like a lot of the official story might be propaganda. People died, crimes were committed and so forth --- but what is true and what is simply propaganda? I don't know. Worse for many Jews, I don't care.

Perhaps it was all so they could scam lots of money from Germans in perpetuity!

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 10:27 AM  

The Proper response to "Muh Holocaust" is "Yep, 6 million more people murdered by socialists."

Boy, the response I got from messaging that on ABC was worth getting banned.

Blogger Kat April 13, 2018 10:38 AM  

Nate wrote:"On Yom HaShoah we remember the six million Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust. With each passing year, our duty to remember this atrocity increases as we pledge #NeverAgain. #HolocaustRemembranceDay"

In case you forgot Trump was a babyboomer...



Your latent neverTrump is showing. Does Trump need to distract the kitties "We must also remember the brave people of Poland/Holland/France who died alongside Jews." If not .

If I recall correctly he pretty much said as much in the Warsaw speech and got hella flack for it.

Blogger pyrrhus April 13, 2018 10:39 AM  

Professor Bruno Bettelheim at the University of Chicago was famous for humiliating his fellow Jews at cocktail parties who wined about the holocaust with questions about why, with several years to get out of Germany (and the Nazis were even paying them to leave early on), Jews hung around for the inevitable slaughter....Reportedly some faculty members were reduced to tears...

Blogger Kat April 13, 2018 10:41 AM  

OK, that didn't format correctly. Should read

If not (ie if he doesn't need to rile up anyone) then he gives out a typical politician statement.

While I also wish he'd push the envelope more, since he's demonstrably not afraid to raise controversy, when he doesn't I generally assume there's a purpose.

Blogger English Tom April 13, 2018 10:49 AM  

They always wear out their welcome. They just can't help themselves. And, if they have their own country, why are they still here in the West with their obnoxious habits, telling us all what we have to do and how we should think. God rot them all.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 10:50 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Professor Bruno Bettelheim at the University of Chicago was famous for humiliating his fellow Jews at cocktail parties who wined about the holocaust with questions about why, with several years to get out of Germany (and the Nazis were even paying them to leave early on), Jews hung around for the inevitable slaughter....Reportedly some faculty members were reduced to tears...

What gets me is that there were supposedly 6 MILLION of them in Poland and Germany... When Germany told them to git there were less than 2 in the entire region.

It remind me of "Independence Day" when all those idiots were standing on the Roof of the Chicago tower waving 'welcome to earth' signs even after they were told it was a countdown.

Some people just have to piss into the wind.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 10:53 AM  

Kat wrote:OK, that didn't format correctly. Should read

If not (ie if he doesn't need to rile up anyone) then he gives out a typical politician statement.

While I also wish he'd push the envelope more, since he's demonstrably not afraid to raise controversy, when he doesn't I generally assume there's a purpose.


It's possible that the purpose is not wrecking his kid's inheritance.

After all, even after he stops being president or dies, Trump construction will still have to do business with the (((Banking Cartels)))

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 13, 2018 10:54 AM  

I admit that does bother me that Millennials are that ignorant about the third worst mass murder in the history of the 20th Century

Although I suppose it shows a bit of even handedness by their teachers.

I mean if you aren't going to look into the whole sale population avulsions committed by Stalin and Mao why bother with a piker like Hitler?

Blogger English Tom April 13, 2018 10:57 AM  

It (allegedly) happened to people who have controlled the West for centuries, all designed to promote the notion that the (((Chameleons))) are the incessant victims of history due to their piety etc.
People are awake to their swindle and they are shocked, shocked I say that is has begun to wear thin.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 13, 2018 10:58 AM  

@45 Ken: The World Wars were the same sort of bloodbath as the Thirty Years War. Both times, the West had become accustomed to fighting with rules intended to minimize the horrors of war - and the rules came apart. With bloody results.

The difference being that after the Thirty Years War, the West adopted Laws of War that held for three centuries. After the World Wars, the West sank into a self-critical miasma. Probably with Soviet propaganda help.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 13, 2018 11:05 AM  


I'm not Jewish

I'm not German

(((They))) have never given me a compelling reason that I should feel responsible for the holocaust, even though that is what they are intending with all this anti-semite whining.

If you accuse rednecks of sh!t they didn't do, don't be surprised if they give it to you good and hard.

Blogger English Tom April 13, 2018 11:06 AM  

You are correct. Check out what the jew Bolsheviks did to tens of millions of Russian Christians. Nasty sickening shit.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 13, 2018 11:08 AM  

#FakeAmericans and foreigners whining about anti-semitism is largely irrelevant to most Americans.

We got our own problems to deal with.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 11:09 AM  

So wait, The Bolsheviks were (((Literal Hitler)))?

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 11:11 AM  

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Blogger Desdichado April 13, 2018 11:15 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:I'm not Jewish

I'm not German

(((They))) have never given me a compelling reason that I should feel responsible for the holocaust, even though that is what they are intending with all this anti-semite whining.

If you accuse rednecks of sh!t they didn't do, don't be surprised if they give it to you good and hard.

Even worse, OUR people went and bailed their people's sorry asses out of the Holocaust, whatever exactly it was and however many exactly where killed, and then they have the nerve to turn around and try to tar us with guilt by association?

The only thing worse than that is that too many nice guy cucks have actually ACCEPTED that frame for a long time and done nothing to tell them off for being so ridiculous. Now, to find out that somehow we're NOT complicit actually takes some work! That was a massive, massive fail on the part of our recent ancestors to let that slide in the name of comity and politeness, or whatever.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 11:17 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:#FakeAmericans and foreigners whining about anti-semitism is largely irrelevant to most Americans.

We got our own problems to deal with.


Yes, but at least with Antisemites, you don't have to wrestle with the reality that 70% of our country's violent criminals are supposed to be the 'Victims'.

News stations don't like easily observable reality that wrecks their narrative.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 13, 2018 11:18 AM  

I ran across this digging into the Rothschilds.

You'll also find they set up NAACP, CFR, FED, etc.

1913: "Jacob Schiff sets up the Anti Defamation League (ADL) in the United States. This organisation is formed to slander anyone who questions or challenges the Rothschild global conspiracy as, “anti-semitic.” "

http://beforeitsnews.com/banksters/2015/09/rothchild-family-the-worlds-true-history-2435588.html?currentSplittedPage=6

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2018 11:26 AM  

S1AL wrote:In terms of scope and relative population, the Holocaust wasn't even the worst genocide of the 20th century.
By any comparative, it wasn't event he worst genocide of WWII.
Far more Russians were killed by Nazis.
Far more Polish civilians were murdered by Nazis.
A far greater proportion of the gypsy population were killed in the camps.
Da Shoah was a minor event in a major war. How is starving to death or being gassed in a camp any worse than being torn apart by artillery or bleeding out, disemboweled in the freezing mud?
It's not unique. It's not the worst. It's not even special. It was par for the course.

Blogger Jack Amok April 13, 2018 11:32 AM  

Two of my great uncles and my great-grandfather gave their lives protecting those ungrateful shits. I am sick to DEATH of them calling me, and white people LIKE me, some kind of jerk that has to pay for the crimes of the people that murdered MY family.

When I pointed out I didn't appreciate being lectured to about Muh Holycaust and "never again" when several of my family slogged their way across Europe fighting against the Nazis, a holycaust preacher told me I wasn't the one slogging across Europe.

Well, so, do we talk about what happened to our ancestors or not? I guess the answer is "not" and the Millennials are right on target. Carry on...

Blogger Were-Puppy April 13, 2018 11:34 AM  

@29 Avalanche
Here in GA they actually HAVE a "Holyhoax Day"
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They do? Hahahaaa - all my years in Georgia and I never heard of such a thing.

It must be like "National donut day" or "National puzzle day". One of those Hallmark events.

Blogger Desdichado April 13, 2018 11:39 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:By any comparative, it wasn't event he worst genocide of WWII.
If we could get our hands on some credible research and statistics, we'd probably find that more Germans were murdered during the immediate Soviet occupation AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER than Jews were during the Holocaust.

There's a reason Patton concluded that we allied with the wrong evil dictator to take out the other one. And there's a reason that he was killed because of it, too.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 13, 2018 11:40 AM  

@41 Hammerli280

Hmph. I think part of the issue is that the Second World War is 75 years ago. Nazis, Holocaust survivors...there aren't many left.
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Really? They seem to grow by several million every year.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2018 12:07 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:a holycaust preacher told me I wasn't the one slogging across Europe.


"Nor was I herding Jews into railcars. But after talking to you, I sympathize more with the guys who were."

Blogger kmbr April 13, 2018 12:12 PM  

I chalk this up to millennials having memory problems due to smart phone usage. (which I believe is a thing but another topic for another day)

THERE IS NO way that many of them never heard of this. Literally, according to my kid's "educations" there have been TWO historical time periods, ever. The holocaust/Hitler and slavery.


Blogger Unknown April 13, 2018 12:15 PM  

I'm GenX myself; had three grandparents who fought in WWII, and the Holocaust is just an intellectual data point, with no emotional attachment to it at all.

I care about the holocaust, but only as much as it deserves to be as a very small percentage of the much larger total number of people who were killed by their own governments in the 20th century.

Radical leftist governments they all were, including Nazi Germany, and today's leftists would gleefully do the same thing right here, right now, if they could, because they are *all* descendents of the ideologies that produced the democides of the past. *That* is what I *really* care about, whether someone is going to come and try to put me in a box car.

Blogger Unknown April 13, 2018 12:19 PM  

BTW, Vox, reading that debate you linked, it should be physically painful to be as dense as Louise Mensch was. She couldn't see your points go over her head even if she had a nice pair of Zeiss binoculars....

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit April 13, 2018 12:29 PM  

Play this game occasionally:

Voxiversity had organized this gathering. It had a somewhat ambitious aim - a strategic debate about the future of the people of Northern European ancestry and Christian culture. In actuality, it focused on three issues: the challenge posed by Islam, the situation in Trump's America, and the weighty question of whether the White people are on the rise or on the wane.

Do this every so often, and the appeal of the animadversions of the Alt Right to the normally-apolitical masses pops into focus.

And until and unless the tribalism of the Left can be utterly crushed, and a nationalistic devotion to traditional American culture replace it, that appeal will only increase. May God have mercy on us.

Blogger Jack Amok April 13, 2018 12:32 PM  

"Nor was I herding Jews into railcars. But after talking to you, I sympathize more with the guys who were."

That's the problem with playing the victim. Milk it too long and people's response goes from "Wow, sorry you had to go through that" to "Maybe there was a reason..."

Blogger Sweetbeak greatest fan April 13, 2018 12:38 PM  

Holo...what? Never heard of it. So I did a little digging. Evidently there's no physical evidence of the alleged events. No industrial gas chambers, no industrial ovens, no mass graves, no shrunken heads. Closest thing is some films of bodies--unidentified people that apparently died of typhus and hunger when supply lines were bombed. And, of course, the solemn word of Jews.

In diversity, history is a criminal trial, where only one side currently gets to argue their case to the jury--to the public.

Blogger Sheila4g April 13, 2018 1:20 PM  

@75 Were-Puppy: "Really? They seem to grow by several million every year."

tl;dr: You're right. For the long version, I present the following:

The US Holocaust Museum considers " . . . as survivors any persons, Jewish or non-Jewish, who were displaced, persecuted, or discriminated against due to the racial, religious, ethnic, and political policies of the Nazis and their allies between 1933 and 1945. In addition to former inmates of concentration camps, ghettos, and prisons, this definition includes, among others, people who were refugees or were in hiding."

Per a 2014 report by two Jewish researchers, prepared for a US federal court case and considering that "that hundreds of millions of dollars belonging to Holocaust victims remain to be disbursed intensifies this debate. The discussions address the question of how the money is to be distributed among survivors" there are the following:

"On Ukeles' count, there are 687,900 Holocaust survivors in the world today. DellaPergola's estimate is much larger: 1,092,000 survivors.

Both demographers relied on the same standard in terms of defining a Holocaust survivor: Any Jew who lived for any period of time in a country that was ruled by the Nazis or their allies is called a Holocaust survivor (by DellaPergola) or a Nazi victim (by Ukeles)."

Israel's Yad Vashem memorial:

"We define Shoah survivors as Jews who lived for any amount of time under Nazi domination, direct or indirect, and survived. This includes French, Bulgarian and Romanian Jews who spent the entire war under anti-Jewish terror regimes but were not all deported, as well as Jews who forcefully left Germany in the late 1930s. From a larger perspective, other destitute Jewish refugees who escaped their countries fleeing the invading German army, including those who spent years and in many cases died deep in the Soviet Union, may also be considered Holocaust survivors."

Finally, per the US Social Security Administration:

"Anyone who was a member of a group of people who were systematically persecuted and exterminated by the Nazis (Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Blacks, Asians or Pacific Islanders) AND who "Misstated his/her age to avoid Persecution by the Nazis, or Confinement in Nazi concentration camps, or Extermination in Nazi concentration camps, or Other threats to life by the Nazis."

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2018 3:17 PM  

hmm, weird that they forgot the nearly 18 million non-jewish German political prisoners, as well as the poles. The Irony is that the GERMAN prisoner deaths are quite well recorded, unlike the 600 trillion Jews.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 13, 2018 3:47 PM  

"they are like that crappy Guest at a party that showed up uninvited, drank all the booze, made unwelcome sexual overtures at the hostess, set the drapes on fire, pilfered the medicine cabinet and complained about everything in the house loudly the whole time, and now Just....won't....go....home."

I've seen this literally. Though instead of the drapes, it was the Confederate flag on the wall of the guy who owned the place. People kept smelling something burning briefly. Turns out the kid was burning cigarettes into his host's Confederate flag.
I guess he just couldn't help it. His persecution complex kicked in and he couldn't control himself. You'd think he would have understood rednecks after living there for years, and wouldn't be threatened by a relatively benign display of identity. I mean. The flag had Hank Williams Jr.'s face on it.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 13, 2018 3:58 PM  

The great mass of Chinese killed never get a mention. Not that that's a priority or something. Just notable.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 13, 2018 4:05 PM  

Nice. A perfect one for an upcoming car ride.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 13, 2018 4:07 PM  

Especially not when the ancestors of those very rednecks were among those who killed their oppressors and freed them.

Blogger saintCrispee April 13, 2018 4:40 PM  

Somebody should have reminded Mr. Goldberg that Alt Right anti semites are not called out in order to shame them, but rather to warn others of their existence. Whether the Alt Right cares or not about being called anti-semite isn't the point. The point is to let everyone know that the anti-semitism is alive and well.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2018 4:45 PM  

saintCrispee wrote:The point is to let everyone know that the anti-semitism is alive and well.
The point is, no-one cares.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 13, 2018 5:35 PM  

@83 The US Holocaust Museum considers " . . . as survivors any persons, Jewish or non-Jewish, who were displaced, persecuted, or discriminated against due to the racial, religious, ethnic, and political policies of the Nazis and their allies between 1933 and 1945.

Woo hoo! All four of my grandparents are confirmed for Holocaust Survivors. The political policies of the Nazis led to their declaration of war against the United States, which in turn led to the displacement of each of my grandparents as they entered military service and wartime industries.

Wish they were still around to hear the good news.

Blogger tublecane April 13, 2018 5:37 PM  

The Cathedral finds there are diminishing returns on propaganda.

All it took was a miniseries in the 70s, plus some ground-preparing with the fiction of Elie Wiesel and the Eichmann trial. Not that kids are craftier now, but they're tougher nuts to crack because they're harder to get to.

They can still train the Managerial Class to think the way they want, by and large. But that just makes the propagandizers more remote from their audience and therefore less convincing .

Blogger tublecane April 13, 2018 5:41 PM  

@89- They most certainly are called out to shame them. More importantly, to bring shame upon anyone who even thinks abo it joining them.

I agree that's not the primary purpose of calling them out. You're right about drawing attention to the fact that alt-right "hate" exists, but you're not explicit as to why that's important.

I'll tell everyone: because the left is bound together by what Steve Sailer calls KKK-razy Glue. They need the Brown Scare to keep order on their side.

Blogger Johnny April 13, 2018 5:44 PM  

The point is to let everyone know that the anti-semitism is alive and well.

No. the point is to discredit the opposition with verbal slander. If one doesn't work they move to another. Sexist, racist, homophob, who knows. Or move the goalpost if it lacks the sting. Whatever.

The desired outcome? Public policy to the benefit of of the merchants of slander.

Blogger VD April 13, 2018 7:16 PM  

Somebody should have reminded Mr. Goldberg that Alt Right anti semites are not called out in order to shame them, but rather to warn others of their existence.

Ironically, all it accomplishes now is to warn others of the existence of the Jews. Ah well, unintended consequences and all that.

Blogger Daniel April 13, 2018 9:05 PM  

On argentina there are a LOT of people that do not buy holocaust. "holocuento" is a common word in forums

Blogger saintCrispee April 13, 2018 11:18 PM  

"Ironically, all it accomplishes now is to warn others of the existence of the Jews. Ah well, unintended consequences and all that."

Anyone who doesn't know Jews exist have much bigger problems than discovering Jews exist. As for having to "warn" people that Jews exist...well, that's just comical.

Blogger tublecane April 13, 2018 11:46 PM  

@saintCrispee, don't be Captain Literal.

Blogger Dire Badger April 14, 2018 12:09 AM  

Most people mistake ethnic Jews as 'white' simply because they look that way. It's not about skin color... race realism never was.

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