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Monday, April 16, 2018

Why Johnny still can't read

The Atlantic simply cannot solve the mystery of ongoing US illiteracy:
Every two years, education-policy wonks gear up for what has become a time-honored ritual: the release of the Nation’s Report Card. Officially known as the National Assessment of Educational Progress, or NAEP, the data reflect the results of reading and math tests administered to a sample of students across the country. Experts generally consider the tests rigorous and highly reliable—and the scores basically stagnant.

Math scores have been flat since 2009 and reading scores since 1998, with just a third or so of students performing at a level the NAEP defines as “proficient.” Performance gaps between lower-income students and their more affluent peers, among other demographic discrepancies, have remained stubbornly wide.

Among the likely culprits for the stalled progress in math scores: a misalignment between what the NAEP tests and what state standards require teachers to cover at specific grade levels. But what’s the reason for the utter lack of progress in reading scores?
My guess is because the teachers have lower-than-average IQs and they can't read either.
So I graduated from college, and when I graduated there was a teacher shortage and I was offered a job. It was the most illogical thing you can imagine - I got out of the lion's cage and then I got back in to taunt the lion again. Why did I go into teaching? Looking back it was crazy that I would do that. But I'd been through high school and college without getting caught - so being a teacher seemed a good place to hide. Nobody suspects a teacher of not knowing how to read. 

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Blogger Hunsdon April 16, 2018 3:02 PM  

Also, as Steve Sailer likes to say, "Let's hit CTRL+F and search for 'immi' and lo and behold, no hits."

Blogger Miguel April 16, 2018 3:06 PM  

lol

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 16, 2018 3:12 PM  

Great story; a teacher who can't read.

The lolz

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 16, 2018 3:23 PM  

This is sure to be a great idea. What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-43730216/a-solution-to-one-of-america-s-biggest-problems

Blogger Mister Excitement April 16, 2018 3:24 PM  

I read that story about the illiterate old man just yesterday.

This man spent his entire life as a thief, a cheat, and a fraud, but the article about him portrays him as an inspiration.

It sickens me.

Blogger Brick Hardslab April 16, 2018 3:26 PM  

He was a PE teacher. I'm not surprised nobody noticed.

Blogger Howard Stone April 16, 2018 3:26 PM  

It’s the heartfelt, inspirational story of a teacher who didn’t let not being able to read stop him from changing the lives of his students.

Blogger Howard Stone April 16, 2018 3:35 PM  

Starring some lib comedian trying to win an Oscar.

Blogger Blume April 16, 2018 3:41 PM  

With the number of students starting each year with English as a second language growing, its a miracle those numbers are stagnate.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 16, 2018 3:43 PM  

This is so over the top it's got to be fake. More likely is that the guy had a massive stroke and just made all this up.

Blogger Amy April 16, 2018 3:44 PM  

Intelligent teachers are too much trouble. They tend to not toe the line and introduce reality and different ideas, and encourage thinking. They also tend to have a low tolerance for bad behavior and wonder why they are expected to teach retarded children alongside normal-to-gifted kids.

Teach for America takes Ivy grads and throws them to the inner city wolves as teachers for the ferals living there. Those teachers for America crash and burn at light speed. It’s really horrific.

Blogger Nate April 16, 2018 3:46 PM  

people really have no idea how bad its gotten. in big cities the schools are so bad... for example in Montgomery and Birmingham.. the schools students are averaging like 14 and 15 on the ACT.

To put that in perspective... my oldest homeschooled son gets 25s and 27s on the pACT... and he's a freshman.

Blogger Amy April 16, 2018 3:50 PM  

I’ll state the obvious and take “immigration” for $500, Vox.

And even if the kids are born here, the black and Hispanic kids are, by and large, not up to the same speed as their Asian, Jewish, and White peers. I’ve seen it, lived it. It’s a nightmare and I don’t care how many movies they make about Freedom Writers with Dangerous Minds decide to Stand and Deliver, you’re not gonna be that teacher and you’ll drive yourself to deadly levels of alcoholism in the attempt.

Blogger Matamoros April 16, 2018 3:52 PM  

Way back in 1992 John Taylor Gatto wrote "Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling". Worth reading.

Blogger Nate April 16, 2018 3:55 PM  

"I’ll state the obvious and take “immigration” for $500, Vox. "

and you would be wrong. the white kids in public school are doing terrible too. Yes they do better than the blacks... but they are still doing horrible

Blogger Amy April 16, 2018 3:56 PM  

And it’s not for lack of trying. Multiple programs exist to get kids on track with reading even in the pre-K years. By the end of Kindergarten it’s expected that most kids will have a grasp of reading fundamentals. Those that don’t get extra attention, sometimes even classroom aides to help them get through.

I agree it’s oartly a problem of instructors not knowing their material. Often, in inner city schools, the teachers and aides, and administrators, are of the community, and wink and nod as they sweep the kids through the system, singing their praises, and then when the chips fall, blame White racism and lack of funding for their inability to bring Rasheed and Shawntel into the obvious genius that is their birthright.

It’s head-bang-on-desk frustrating.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 16, 2018 3:57 PM  

@15 And it's not just the academics. A friend of mine teaches the string section at a local high school - her students are seven Asian girls, two white girls, two Asian guys, and a white guy. At a predominantly white high school.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 16, 2018 4:04 PM  

6. Brick Hardslab April 16, 2018 3:26 PM He was a PE teacher. I'm not surprised nobody noticed.

no, he taught real classes.


"I taught social studies. I taught typing"


13. Amy April 16, 2018 3:50 PM
I’ll state the obvious and take “immigration” for $500, Vox.


while not insignificant, that's far from the whole problem.

teachers are at the very bottom of collegiate achievement, with only school administration degrees testing lower.

no truly competent person has any interest in becoming a teacher. not because of the "low pay" but because we could observe quite readily that schools have little to no interest in actually educating children to think rigorously or in inculcating knowledge too them.

i mean, seriously, why were any of us taught the "Honest Abe" and George "I cannot tell a lie" Washington fairy tales and 15th century people were Flat Earthers? those aren't merely wrong, they are diametrically opposed to the reality.

that's indoctrination, intended to prevent you from looking very closely at what was actually done.

Blogger Rick T April 16, 2018 4:05 PM  

Whole Language, Whole Math. Both complete failures in the field but were a great PhD dissertation for an Ed major.

Blogger freddie_mac April 16, 2018 4:05 PM  

@1 Hunsdon
Also, as Steve Sailer likes to say, "Let's hit CTRL+F and search for 'immi' and lo and behold, no hits."

Yep; my first thought was that the picture would probably look better if the students were broken up by ethnic groups instead of or in addition to economic. But, that would puncture the whole "muh diversity" blimp, so they'd rather tell us that all kids can't read.

Blogger Amy April 16, 2018 4:10 PM  

I’ll concede, Nate. Maybe it’s not an influx of ESL students. Or that’s part of it.

People like to point to things that require more money: overcrowded classrooms, poor resources, underpaid staff, not enough computers/books/pencils/flash cards, whatever. If it means you’ll give my district more money to spend, I’ll say it’s a problem!

I learned to read using the phone book and cereal boxes. My mom helped me when I got stuck. I was four. But she also stayed home with us, read to us, limited tv time (there were no home computers or tablets or cell phones or video games), and put us to bed at normal hours after family dinner and family together time. So maybe that’s the key? Too much other stimulation?

Yet with all those TVs and computers and games in our house, my three are top readers and reading a year beyond their grade level. So it can’t be distractions and screen time that is completely to blame.

I’ve been out of the teaching field for a few years. I knew teachers who could read but had very little curiosity or ability to explain a text. They were content to let worksheets do the job, mostly. And very few people, teachers and kids, know how to think. They know WHAT to think, as teaching is undertaken primarily from an indoctrination standpoint rather, but how to get to an idea...it’s easier sometimes to shut down and muddle through.

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2018 4:10 PM  

Teaching is another occupation that has become infested with liberals and the idiocy they bring. It's also not a particularly lucrative job, so that filters out a lot of the more ambitious. The curricula are a mess, with crap like Common Core. And it's BORING, that is one complaint I here constantly from my sons. Why should any child be interested in learning anything that is painfully dull and constantly peppered with PC nonsense?

Blogger pyrrhus April 16, 2018 4:20 PM  

"It's also not a particularly lucrative job, so that filters out a lot of the more ambitious."

Not true. Teachers in decent school districts work maybe 1400 hours/yr and quite a few make 100k+ including benefits. Considering the poor qualifications of most, that is astronomical..Some teachers in our district also have businesses on the side, and once they get tenure they leave right after the bell, regardless of what's going on at the school.

Blogger Mr. Bee April 16, 2018 4:22 PM  

Check the graphs for when corporal punishment was banned.

Blogger Crew April 16, 2018 4:24 PM  

I cannot remember learning to read and I think it happened before I was 10. I do remember my Mother, who could not write, taking us to the library to borrow books.

I could read by then and it was before I was 10, but I do not recall specific instruction in school. Of course, I do not recall much from school.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 16, 2018 4:25 PM  

22. widlast April 16, 2018 4:10 PM
And it's BORING


that's by design.

Blogger Lovekraft April 16, 2018 4:27 PM  

One would think that the well-being of children would trump any other priorities, but the reality is that the odd parent or collection thereof that speaks out is going up against two powerful entities:

1. school boards and unions and the money they can use to hire lawyers/delay/wait out and, more of a stretch:
2. parents of those in elite schools that want to ensure their own children get an advantage in the college/work market.

Blogger Nate April 16, 2018 4:30 PM  

"My guess is because the teachers have lower-then-average IQs and they can't read either."

Than. not then. One doesn't want a typo on this sort of post.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma April 16, 2018 4:40 PM  

The Detroit (83% black) district profile for the 2015-16 school year posted online shows the combined results for students of all grades tested last spring shows a mere 2.9% met basic proficiency standards for science, 7.9% reached that threshold for math, 8.1 were proficient in Social Studies, and 14.6 met standards in English Language Arts.
Detroit students finished dead last, and in some subjects they scored worse than the last time the test was administered in 2013. The last place performance in 2015 marks the fourth consecutive time the district’s students ranked at the bottom.

Only 4% of Detroit (83% black) public school eighth graders are proficient or better in math and only 7% in reading. *This is despite the fact that in the 2011-2012 school year the Detroit public schools had “total expenditures” of $18,361 per student.*
Cleveland public schools ranked next to last. Baltimore and Fresno were tied for third worst.

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According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are “functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund.
“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,”
“For other major urban areas, we are a little bit on the high side… We compare, slightly higher, to Washington D.C.’s urban population, in certain ZIP codes in Washington D.C. and in Cleveland,” she said.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma April 16, 2018 4:40 PM  

Baltimore. Based on 2017 state test scores, 13 out of 39 high school had zero students proficient in math, the report said. Another six schools had only one percent of their students who tested proficient in math.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/09/13-baltimore-high-schools-no-students-proficient-in-math-report-says.html

Of Baltimore City’s 39 High Schools, 13 had zero students proficient in math... another six high schools where one percent tested proficient.
3804 students took the state test, 14 were proficient in math.
3,804 students times $16,000 yr/student equals $60,864,000 wasted per year.
“Nine out of ten black boys in Baltimore City are not reading at grade level,”
http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/13-baltimore-city-high-schools-zero-students-proficient-in-math

75% of black boys in California don’t meet state reading standards.
As early as fourth grade, for example, nearly 80 percent of black boys failed to meet state reading standards.
Three of four African-American boys in California classrooms failed to meet reading and writing standards on the most recent round of testing, according to data obtained from the state Department of Education.
http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20170604/75-of-black-california-boys-dont-meet-state-reading-standards

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma April 16, 2018 4:41 PM  

At a Brooklyn high school, grade-fixing is so blatant, even intellectually disabled students pass rigorous state tests.
An 18-year-old girl with the reading skills of a kindergartner had a passing grade of 65 on the Regents US history exam, a whistleblower told The Post.
The girl scored a 73 on the algebra exam, despite calculation skills at the level of a second-grader.
Alert teachers tried to thwart the cheating. But Assistant Principal Jordan Barnett slammed their “discriminatory” treatment of students and ordered them to back off
Principal Steve Dorcely, who has no teaching experience except as a substitute, pressures faculty and aides to “do whatever you can” to pass students, staffers said.
http://nypost.com/2016/07/03/school-leaders-allow-cheating-to-boost-the-numbers-staffers/

Blogger Shannon April 16, 2018 4:41 PM  

White kids are flatlining because all resources go to the low kids. Who are the low kids? Mom and limited English speaking, divorced/mother living with bf/parents who are not around/kids who were dumped off with grandparents etcetc Who has time or money for the average to high kids?

Blogger Aeoli April 16, 2018 4:41 PM  

Judging by their behavior, nobody actually cares and this is all sanctimonious deferral.

Blogger Looking Glass April 16, 2018 4:41 PM  

The System is functioning perfectly. It was just never designed to educate. That's why homeschoolers excel over normal public schooling, and the elites all send their kids to private schools.

Let me repeat that: the System is functioning perfectly. This is the actual goal of the "Education System". It exists to indoctrinate and has since the "public schooling movement" kicked off in the very early 1900s. It took about 90 years to completely kill off the value of the older systems, but it's been completely successful in the inner cities since about 1970.

That's why no amount of money you throw at the "problem" will solve it. (It's also why, when adjusted for race, somehow the USA still comes out on top, globally.) We're so far in that no one can even grasp the nature of the problem, as no one has living experience with the pre-Indoctrination systems.

I wish I could claim credit for the insight, but there's plenty of discussion on this stuff with a little Google-fu. However, it did explain why it seemed like public schooling was so incredibly inefficient at educating, as the "public school" stems from the same faction that produced the modern Globalists. ( http://infogalactic.com/info/Prussian_education_system the USA implemented the system of education that was setup of the leading families of Great Power Europe. It's little Globalist indoctrination facilities posing at schools, and no one knows it.)

This is why everyone can always see it's getting "worse", as each wave of retirements brings in teachers that have less & less contact with the older systems. The corruption took most of a century. Think of who benefits from these approaches? The highly intelligent are either "tuned out" or wholly bought into the Progressive Ideas (if they want to go on in academics). It's brutally evil, but also extremely clever. Everyone is so deep into the systems, now, that no one can see why it doesn't work, as the mental framework to understand the issue has been obliterated.

Oddly, I think it was the insistence on teaching Latin & Greek, for a very long time, in the USA that retarded the process and why it was more effective in Europe. It took them a very long time to sever the ties to the past, which is part of the purpose.

On the more technical issues with this data collection, why is anyone believing a single government statistic? Education Statistics are pretty much all lies. The "No Child Left Behind" approach replicated a Texas system, which they just so happened to make up much of the statistical analysis. The most likely scenario is they're hiding their inability to collect the information properly. It's Government Statistics collected from 50 States and run by the least competent chunk of the Federal Government. I wouldn't trust the year they put on the report, let alone the data.

Blogger kurt9 April 16, 2018 4:42 PM  

Vox,

You need to develop and express the same kind of sarcastic humor about this stuff as does Steve Sailer. He's getting quite good at it.

Blogger Aeoli April 16, 2018 4:44 PM  

Which is to say, we could give opinions all day about how you things could change if anybody wanted them to, but they don't. What they want is 16+ years of free daycare.

Blogger rumpole5 April 16, 2018 4:45 PM  

Close the government schools. sell the buildings, books, paper and glue. Fire the government "teachers". Give grants to parents and guardians who can formulate a plan for educating their children. Do it for the children!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 16, 2018 4:48 PM  

@32 White kids are flatlining because all resources go to the low kids.

Wrong. If that were the main reason then Asian students would also be doing poorly. But Asians are excelling. And academic success doesn't require all that many resources. Just the information available for free on Infogalactic is staggering.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 16, 2018 4:48 PM  

@19

I would guess the low reading scores are due to the Whole World (whole guess) method replacing phonics in the classroom.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 16, 2018 4:49 PM  

Whole Word, not Whole World.

Blogger Crew April 16, 2018 4:54 PM  

@32: It's also the disruption caused by dieverse students that don't want to be there.

Don't send you kids to public schools. Home school them if you can.

Blogger Amy April 16, 2018 4:56 PM  

Whole Language hasn’t been used in mainstream public schools for years, at least not here in NJ.

There are a few charters and preschools and private kindergartens that don’t require correct spelling of words as the child learns to read, but by third grade they enforce grammar and spelling rules ( a mistake, surely, but then, these are schools devoted to ideologies like environmentalism and global unity rather than education).

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 16, 2018 5:04 PM  

@42

That's good, since phonics is the best way to learn to read.

Maybe part of the problem is the idea that every kid must be passed. Starting holding kids back, or put them in a special handicapped school if they can't learn with the average white kids.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel April 16, 2018 5:05 PM  

But Johnny can Rap and chant slogans: 'Black Lives Matter' or 'Hate Speech is Not Free Speech'.

Blogger Fenris Wulf April 16, 2018 5:07 PM  

The manifestly fraudulent Whole Language method went underground due to widespread anger and opposition from parents. But they keep sneaking it back into the curriculum in a disguised and adulterated form.

Blogger Looking Glass April 16, 2018 5:11 PM  

@45 Fenris Wulf

And may all involved burn for eternity in the fires of Hell. Evil people.

Blogger Days of the Broken Arrows April 16, 2018 5:20 PM  

Not only are teachers the worst, reading lists are awful.

Lucky for me, I was a teacher's aid in high school. I was discussing "The Rolling Stone Record Guide" with my teacher and he mentioned there should be one of those for books when it came to high school kids.

When I asked him more about it, he wrote up a list for me with "real books," not the crap they were having us read. The first thing he did was showed me to the storage room and had me take home several books that had been banned, like "Huck Finn" and "Catcher." It was a great start.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 16, 2018 5:43 PM  

"Check the graphs for when corporal punishment was banned."

That's a good place to start. If you can't keep order in the classroom, you don't have anything else.

I'll admit that there's a VERY hard-nosed part of me that favors an aggressive corporal punishment policy. Misbehave, get caned. Do poorly, get caned. When in doubt, cane the lout. Unfair? Life is unfair, and bend over, you're getting six of the best for whining.

You'll get results.

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2018 5:46 PM  

Why did I go into teaching? Looking back it was crazy that I would do that. But I'd been through high school and college without getting caught - so being a teacher seemed a good place to hide. Nobody suspects a teacher of not knowing how to read.

Absolute gold. That boy needs to move on up to congress! Reading is not required there at all, and in fact is a distinct liability when voting yea on various bills drafted by lobbyists employed by deep-state, companies too big to jail, etc. He's been edumacated at the highest level by the government schul gulag.

Blogger Robert What? April 16, 2018 5:47 PM  

Government workers (which teachers of course are) used to make less money in favor pensions, benefits and job security. Now they still have the pensions, benefits and security and higher average pay than the private sector. No wonder all the kids want to work for the government.

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2018 5:57 PM  

@34. Yes, yes, yes. Superb point.

Keep in mind that these lousy statistics are the ones massaged with inflated grades. The actual state of affairs is several orders of magnitude worse. They do the identical thing with crime statistics, by the way. Big cites in particular use a system known as comp-stat which redefines violent crimes as non-violent, etc. Murders become accidental deaths or maybe manslaughter, etc. I believe Nicholas Stix has done much research on this particular Soviet-style program. It's now filtering into the smaller cities having been successfully operated for decades in NYC, Chicongo, etc. These edumacation reports are invariably accompanied by demands for more money, naturally.

How many times has VD been saying it over the last 15 years? I lost count, but it's as true now as ever: Homeschool or die.

Blogger Unknown April 16, 2018 6:02 PM  

Some female nutjobs in the media
are blaming it on: lower pay than a dentist (!), lack of creative control, not being allowed to personally relate to each child, too much bureaucratic responsibility, poor child discipline and lack of autonomy. In other words, the education system is a statist preparation center for the children of working mothers who need the very thing the mostly childless female teachers lack. Mothers at home who care for them well. Or, if you like, the consequences of presuming it takes a village to raise a child when the 'village' is dominated by childless women who have been totally ruined by radical deconstructivist selfism.

The kids can't read any better because teaching is becoming more about the teacher than the children.

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2018 6:26 PM  

These numbers are probably higher than reality http://abcnews.go.com/US/atlanta-cheating-178-teachers-administrators-changed-answers-increase/story?id=14013113

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Why Johnny still can't read

I don't know why Johnny can't read but I know why Shitavious & Latrina can't even after we spend 2-5 times the public education cost on them as white kids.

He was a PE teacher. I'm not surprised nobody noticed.

Otis Mathis was the head of the Detroit school board.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/03/detroit_school_board_president.html
"Detroit school board president struggles to write a coherent sentence; does it matter?"

http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2012/04/detroit-masturbating-school-board.html

and you would be wrong. the white kids in public school are doing terrible too.

Combo of Common Core expecting white kids to teach NAM kids & teaching to the speed of the stupidest in class. Common Core teaches math the way Haiti teaches math, if they believed in equality they would have copied Germany/Japan

White kids are flatlining because all resources go to the low kids.Wrong. If that were the main reason then Asian students would also be doing poorly.

Not only do teachers shit on white kids for their privilege of evolution, but they force them to write anti gun letters to senators. cant find link

Blogger tublecane April 16, 2018 6:34 PM  

@34- As with most things in society under progressivism, there's a massive amount of deception as regards education. Most people aren't aware of the Prussian/Deweyan shift. They still support public education because they think it's aimed toward the old goals:

1). Instruction, or filling kids' heads with what they oughtta know, and

2). preparing them to be adults, usually couched in terms of work.

Now, the work part was of course on the minds of progressive educators. But while we think of it in terms of developing skills students can apply in the workplace, they thought in terms of producing adults who would sit still and do what they're told in factories.

I assume that's the sort of thing they mean by "socialization," too. But that's a bigger concept, and is related to fitting into society as whole, like a cog in a machine. They like to pretend it's about human connection and all that, but without public schooling kids wouldn't be sitting in fortresses of solitude. And the type of socialization we do in school is highly artificial and frankly too often traumatizing.

As for instruction, that is no longer the primary focus of education. Instead, "constructivism" is, whereby each little ignoramus is somehow supposed to recreate the history of for instance mathematics inside his own head. Or, if we're lucky, they're taught "critical thinking." But that's not an actual discipline, in my opinion, and anyway can only be learned gradually as you develop other skills.

Politics is probably the most important aspect, which should be no surprise given that it's run by the state. Schools are supposed to do two things: produce good little citizens and groom the next generation of elites. Can't do much better on the first account than producing people who eat, sleep, and fornicate, think about politics on the side, and don't make too much fuss.

As for the latter, we have a degenerate, dysfunctional elite. But schools are fairly successful at making them all have the same opinions. So there's that.

Current Year education doesn't resemble Dewey's vision, or anyone's really. And it's not clear to me how many educationists are aware of progressive education's original purposes. Or if they could understand them, being as how that's among the stupidest rungs of the intellectual class ladder.

They may actually believe constructivism and socialization are forms of instruction. Like the old days, only better. But the original plan was clearly to dumb students down.

That's the hidden history, and anyone who talks about it is a "conspiracy theorist." A few good books on the subject:

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America
The Leipzig Connection
Why Can't Johnny Think?
The Underground History of American Education
Weapons of Mass Instruction
John Dewey and the Decline of American Education

Blogger tublecane April 16, 2018 6:39 PM  

@36- They could do that infinitely more efficiently. And I'm not even talking about the money wasted on pretending public education is about teaching kids things.

Why does summer vacation exist, for instance? Why are kids only going to school for like 180 days a year?

Somehow, our cities aren't burning down the other 185 days.

Blogger Looking Glass April 16, 2018 6:47 PM  

@54 tublecane

People can't understand it if you try to explain it by its structural purpose: enlisting the idealists to produce a controlled, dystopian world. Most cannot fathom the reality of the Shadowmen nor the act entire nations can be controlled by hidden figures. Which is why you *never* want to talk about it in those terms.

Always bring it up as a failure of either Structure or Design. "Bad Design, you can't churn out students like a line factory." Contextualize the truth of it into a rhetorical space most can understand. Or something like "it's a 19th Century that doesn't work in the 21th Century". Realize that everyone has been, to some level, indoctrinated into the System.

This approaches works for most Red-pill topics, as you don't have to force people to swallow the pills to get the point. Sure, it's not really direct, but you always have to deal with the person's own Overton Window.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 16, 2018 6:49 PM  

@53 Not only do teachers shit on white kids for their privilege of evolution, but they force them to write anti gun letters to senators. cant find link

That's a lot closer to the truth than blaming a nonexistent lack of resources. White kids in public schools are abused and demoralized.

Also, very few home schools spend as much per student as public schools, yet academic results in home schools are generally better.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 7:00 PM  

@29

"According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are “functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund.
“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,”
“For other major urban areas, we are a little bit on the high side… We compare, slightly higher, to Washington D.C.’s urban population, in certain ZIP codes in Washington D.C. and in Cleveland,” she said."

But they sure as hell know how to set up weed shops on 8-Mile Road.....

Blogger haus frau April 16, 2018 7:30 PM  

" I was in high school and reading at the second or third grade level."

"I taught social studies. I taught typing"


And he couldn't dig into the letters and figure out how to become proficient? He was surrounded by literacy. How does he not reason out and build on the basics my kids know how to do by 6?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 16, 2018 7:35 PM  

haus frau wrote:And he couldn't dig into the letters and figure out how to become proficient? He was surrounded by literacy.

In a public school? Not so much. Besides that, why should he bother? He was doing just fine without.

Blogger Michael Maier April 16, 2018 7:43 PM  

Probably the smartest female I have known in RL was training to be a teacher.

She changed majors when she was told she COULD NOT correct black kids' grammar during her student teaching.

Ebonics uber alles!

Blogger James Dixon April 16, 2018 7:46 PM  

Johnny can read fine, if he's taught at home. It's Juan and Jaleel who can't read.

> ...the white kids in public school are doing terrible too.

See above. Nobody is learning anything in the school system.

> It's also not a particularly lucrative job...

Teachers make well above the median salary in most areas. All those stories about how they're underpaid? They're lying.

> But Asians are excelling.

Asians effectively teach their kids at home in addition to sending them to school.

Blogger Phat Repat April 16, 2018 7:54 PM  

Nate wrote:"I’ll state the obvious and take “immigration” for $500, Vox. "

and you would be wrong. the white kids in public school are doing terrible too. Yes they do better than the blacks... but they are still doing horrible



Uh, no. The inclusion of lower-IQ races (immivaders or otherwise) has done nothing to aid white or yellow kids. All you have to do is observe whites mixing with blacks or mexicans to see an immediate drop in IQ. Aside from the multi-culti issues, the expectations for the white kids have been substantially lowered or made perversely difficult (see common core). And no child left behind didn't help either as we ended up with kids who are better served by 'other' institutions; not of the educational variety.

Blogger VoodooJock April 16, 2018 8:25 PM  

@57

No bureaucratic overhead to support in a homeschool. Don't know what the breakdown is, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 80% of the revenue allotted to the school districts is consumed by administrative overhead and bond payments. It doesn't look like too much of it is trickling down to the classroom.

You could educate a child at home on that $3.8K+ per child Utah spends (among the lowest in the nation) using brand new materials. If you wanted to get creative, judiciously use the libraries, thrift shops, free museums and the internet, you could probably do it for 25% of that cost.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus April 16, 2018 8:26 PM  

58. Dirk

An illiterate, vibrant hospital lab technician killed my dad. The donor bone segment to be implanted was supposed to have been sterilized for 14 minutes de minimis. The technician had read "fourteen" on the task order but her inability to read meant she only recognized the "four" she had command of by rote memorization. The "teen" was mere surplusage admittedly. This unsterilized bone introduced three major infections into my dad's body for a rather routine procedure, and my dad died a terrible, writhing death from infection. Tort limitations law meant the hospital got off essentially scot free and the technician given her vibrancy was not penalized whatsoever.

Blogger Thucydides April 16, 2018 8:34 PM  

Like GlenReynolds of Instapundit says: "Sending your children to Public School is a form of child abuse".

Save your children (or those of a close friend or relative) and homeschool. There are lots of resources out there like the Khan academy or Infogalactic if you need reference or lesson material, and plenty of home schooling packages you can purchase as well. Make sure you go out and buy print copies of the Great Books for them to read. An interesting metric is seeing how "The Federalist Papers" used to be taught in high school in the 1970's, but were gradually moved into college and university level reading lists because it was "too difficult" for high school students. Stuff like that is how Progressives managed to eliminate teaching history, philosophy and critical thinking. (Dating myself, I was told to read "The Coming of the French Revolution" in my last year high school history class. Even though it was written by a Marxist historian, today I only think second year University students *may* be exposed to it, if at all....)

A cohort of literate and numerate students will be like the "one eyed man in the country of the blind".

Blogger Daniel April 16, 2018 8:34 PM  

This i can't understand from usa. I live in argentina (not first world) and i have nevrer, ever, heard about a case of someone going through primary school and not learning to read. Perhaps spanish is easier, or you have some serious messed up stuff going around there?

Blogger Johnny April 16, 2018 8:41 PM  

Daniel wrote:This i can't understand from usa. I live in argentina (not first world) and i have nevrer, ever, heard about a case of someone going through primary school and not learning to read. Perhaps spanish is easier, or you have some serious messed up stuff going around there?

Spanish is easier. The verb inflections are crazy but the spelling so much easier. As for us? Sadly. Messed up.

Blogger Daniel April 16, 2018 8:49 PM  

That shit happens in argentina too. Success is defined as getting a lazy easy stress free low productivity gob job. Long term consecuencies? God knows

Blogger Daniel April 16, 2018 8:50 PM  

Gob = govt

Blogger Daniel April 16, 2018 8:59 PM  

Argentina anyway is going down with school test anyway. Every year is worse. Except for the huge army and military complex and the fewer blacks I can relate to most vox writes

Blogger Amos Bellomy April 16, 2018 9:11 PM  

I have a book from that guy I used as a textbook.

The used copy I had was signed and addressed to Newt Gingrich.

Blogger Bobiojimbo April 16, 2018 9:33 PM  

The article about the illiterate teacher is a good read, I recommend reading all of it. I used to work for one of the biggest education product producers. Teachers are illiterate in many, different ways.

Blogger Jack Amok April 16, 2018 9:47 PM  

...the white kids in public school are doing terrible too. Yes they do better than the blacks... but they are still doing horrible

The White kids still in public school predominantly come from poor White families that are increasingly dysfunctional. White illegitimacy rates today are higher than Black illegitimacy rates were 50 years ago. Single mothers are a major liability to a kid's achievement, regardless of their race.

Blogger Jack Amok April 16, 2018 9:48 PM  

Or to put it another way, school achievement is downstream of culture.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein April 16, 2018 9:57 PM  

Nate wrote:"My guess is because the teachers have lower-then-average IQs and they can't read either."

Than. not then. One doesn't want a typo on this sort of post.


*faints*

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2018 10:10 PM  

Let's break these statistics up not simply by race, bu by whether the kids live with a single mother, a stepdad/mom's boyfriend, or their natural fathers.

To put it another way: who makes the kids do their homework?

Blogger bw April 16, 2018 10:22 PM  

NEA : Grab for Power by Cuddy has good timeline and dates and quotes and he has articles on Leipzig School, Common Core, Mental Health/Ed, etc


Blogger Bobiojimbo April 16, 2018 10:24 PM  

@75 Indeed it is, indeed it is.

Blogger OneWingedShark April 16, 2018 10:26 PM  

Matamoros wrote:Way back in 1992 John Taylor Gatto wrote "Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling". Worth reading.
I haven't read that book, but there's several articles and an interview or two online that I've come across and based on those alone [in conjunction with the title] I'd recommend the book and have no doubt that it would be an illuminating read.

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2018 10:46 PM  

> Woman, 72, Arrested After Homophobic Attack on Black Female Soldiers in Georgia Restaurant http://www.towleroad.com/2018/04/attack-female-soldiers/

"“I’m pregnant. Look at me. I’m pregnant. You’re pushing a pregnant woman,” says one of the soldiers. “Well my husband is handicapped,” snaps Tucker."

As fine a display of a victim-card competition as one could wish. The husband - a while male, I'm guessing - wisely stayed right out of it.

Blogger Crew April 16, 2018 10:57 PM  

@65: There's always rule 308.

Blogger Seth Schueler April 16, 2018 11:14 PM  

"they are expected to teach retarded children alongside normal-to-gifted kids."
They call this "inclusion" and it's just plain ineffective, yet the lefties that call the shots insist that it is critical. Smh

Blogger Seth Schueler April 16, 2018 11:27 PM  

Most people have no idea how bad it really is. When I got laid off my job as a mud engineer in West texas in 2015 I picked up a job as a math tutor in Austin. My job was to go into classrooms of public schools and help kids pass their STAAR math test (Texas standardized test). Every school I went to they would start by showing me the schools current testing scores. Every single school had the same demographic performance situation. The Asians were doing fine, although with very low representation #s. Followed by the white kids, then the Hispanics and finally blacks were always last in performance. In the classrooms I would assist teachers with teaching math in small groups with kids. Many of the kids would straight up tell me they were going to just guess c on every answer, because they heard c was the best answer and they didn't want to try, or they were afraid of trying and failing so they sabotage their own performance. Tax money paid for me to tutor kids that did not care one wit about math, and all aspired to be the next el chapo.

Blogger Dire Badger April 17, 2018 2:30 AM  

We need more military academies.
military academies, traditionally, will teach a kid to read if it kills them.

Blogger Not a lefty April 17, 2018 6:07 AM  

Detroit school superintendent functionally illiterate:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c50_1267845897

Blogger Pale Male April 17, 2018 8:37 AM  

My guess is because the teachers have lower-than-average IQs and they can't read either.
A broad face, a low sloping forehead... who, in this age which is rediscovering physiognomy, could have guessed?

Amy wrote: it’s not for lack of trying. Multiple programs exist to get kids on track with reading even in the pre-K years.
Part of this is the refusal to teach phonics, which is the key to English (even if it isn't a perfect guide as it is in e.g. Spanish).  The other problem is that there are those with the spirit of discovery, and those without it cannot be helped; even if knowledge is put before them they will not look at it.  That's probably 95% of Blacks and 99% of those who subscribe to the notion of "acting White".

Blogger Robert Pinkerton April 17, 2018 8:59 AM  

"Drill and kill," says "educationist" professor William C. Ayres. Well, so very many decades ago, my father, bedridden at home because the Veterans' hospital had decided his polio was treatable on an out-patient basis, in order to quiet the tornado (me as a very small child) with which he was confined, made games of the preparatory drills for learning to read by phonics. As a result, I had learnt to read before I was four. (That got me banned from nursery "school[?]" for being too accelerated for peer adjustment.)

Blogger Nate April 17, 2018 9:02 AM  

TontoBubbaGoldstein wrote:Nate wrote:"My guess is because the teachers have lower-then-average IQs and they can't read either."

Than. not then. One doesn't want a typo on this sort of post.


*faints*


you know what will really stick in your craw?

I got a 34 on the english section of the ACT.

Blogger CM April 17, 2018 9:04 AM  

I tutored math ed majors in college and it immediately made me suspicious of all education.

I had several that were close friends and they were definitely lacking.

If I can teach my son a reasonable amount of Spanish by end of summer, I get the go ahead to homeschool. Wish me luck!

Blogger Nate April 17, 2018 9:34 AM  

"If I can teach my son a reasonable amount of Spanish by end of summer, I get the go ahead to homeschool. Wish me luck!"

That's not how homeschooling works.

get teaching textbooks math for whatever grade he is in... and let him go. then let your wife test his math at the end of summer.

you won't have to do any teaching at all.. and she will be blown away.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 17, 2018 9:49 AM  

"the schools students are averaging like 14 and 15 on the ACT.

To put that in perspective... my oldest homeschooled son gets 25s and 27s on the pACT... and he's a freshman."


For more perspective, the dumbest kids (willing to admit their scores) in the pubbie I attended for music classes in hillbilly Wyoming scored around an 18. That's probably the equivalent of a 20-25 on the ASVAB.

As for why? Sure, immigration factors... but so do education degrees, no child left behind, integration, cultural bleed (every type), and massive, post-crippling corruption in the public school system in every aspect.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 17, 2018 9:51 AM  

"you know what will really stick in your craw?

I got a 34 on the english section of the ACT."


Ditto. It made me rather concerned, as I had expected I'd do better on math and science, but it was the other way around...

Thanks illiteracy, thanks a lot.

Blogger B.J. April 17, 2018 10:04 AM  

If you think about it it's crazy to think everyone can learn a skill at the same level of competence. Even 80% literacy is a huge achievement. We should just call it a day. No sense moving mountains to try to nudge the needle another point or two.

Clearly modern society does not require a great degree of literacy. Society will always have dummies. That used to be understood as a given.

Blogger CM April 17, 2018 10:09 AM  

That's not how homeschooling works.

get teaching textbooks math for whatever grade he is in... and let him go. then let your wife test his math at the end of summer.


First, I'm the wife. Convincing the husband to do homeschooling has been a challenge.

This is the first he's given a go-ahead and it is conditional.

There's still a need to teach discipline and motivation.

Blogger Nate April 17, 2018 10:32 AM  

"First, I'm the wife. Convincing the husband to do homeschooling has been a challenge.

This is the first he's given a go-ahead and it is conditional.

There's still a need to teach discipline and motivation."

First of all... good work. seriously.

second... its always funny to me the objections parents come up with. Discipline and motivation? I mean think about how silly that sounds. Like public or private schooled kids get taught discipline and motivation at school?

I mean... how does that make sense?

Blogger Michael Maier April 17, 2018 11:39 AM  

"BUT WHAT ABOUT SOCIALIZATION?"

"I don't want my kids to be socialists."



And Public Schools DESTROY motivation. If your kid is smart, he learns to not annoy the teachers and peers by being too good at schoolwork.

Blogger Crew April 17, 2018 12:26 PM  

There's still a need to teach discipline and motivation.

Those are hard to teach. It's in the genes or not. You can, however, force then to practice things they don't like doing until they realize, "hey this is not so hard" when they really need to do it in real life when they reach an adult age (at around 30, in my view.)

Blogger Kentucky Packrat April 17, 2018 1:25 PM  

There's still a need to teach discipline and motivation.

"Finish the work, and you can go do what you want. If you get done at 10AM, I'm OK with that. If you sit there until 10PM, that's fine with me too."

As long as you're picking curricula that suits each kid (and let me assure you, each kid will like different approaches, sometimes diametrically opposed approaches), you'll be amazed at how self-motivated kids get.

Blogger DonReynolds April 17, 2018 2:55 PM  

I did not know anyone who could not read and write growing up. When I was a freshman in college and needed a job at night, so I went to work at a local aluminum window manufacturing plant. On the night shift, the only other person who could read and write was the shift foreman (and a Chinese guy who said he had a masters degree in polymer engineering, but could not find a job in his field).

For being able to read, I was paid an extra ten cents more per hour and put on the saw, because I could read the work orders and knew what windows were ordered and how many parts to cut of the different materials.

It did not take long for everyone to find out that I could read and so I ended up spending most of my lunches reading people their mail. Some of it quite old and it included family letters, government notices, late payment notices. I really did not know there were so many people who simply could not read at all. Some of these same people signed their paycheck with an "X", because they could not even sign their name. Otherwise, you could not tell them apart from everybody else. They were personable and red-blooded.

Decades later, I ended up working for a mayor of a small town who could not read a word, but he could sign his name if given enough time. He had been a truck driver most of his life and become a respected citizen of the town. It was sometimes a challenge and there were some very funny stories I got out of it that left the City Attorney shaking his head in disbelief.

Blogger Chent April 17, 2018 2:58 PM  

When I worked as an elementary teacher in the United States, I was amazed at the low intelligence and culture of teachers in public schools. I have seen nothing similar in any other developed country.

Blogger tublecane April 17, 2018 6:17 PM  

Regarding "socialization," has there ever been such a fraud of a term? Only in the world of compulsory mass education is sticking kids in rooms for 7 hours a day with people their exact same age and one or more (lax) adult authority figures considered normal or healthy human interaction.

Granted, society is in the process of cocooning itself, and community is disappearing from American life. School provides one form of community. Not a very wholesome one.

In any case, there's no reason to believe kids will be stuck in solitary confinement all day in the absence of state warehouse services. There are other ways to meet people.

We're supposed to be having an autism epidemic, despite mass schooling socialization. Yet somehow in the past, pre-progressivism, people had giant families and much larger community spirit. Strange, that.

Of course, "socialization" is not about community. It's about engineering kids to act and think a certain way. To "adjust" them--as Freudians used to say--to society as our Grand High Social Engineers wish it to be.

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