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Thursday, May 24, 2018

An excellent cabinet for Italy

La Lega to get economy and interior.
Giuseppe Conte, 53, approved as the next prime minister of Italy by its president. He leads a rag-tag coalition of far-right and anti-establishment parties. They want to deport immigrants and hand out £14.9b in universal basic income. Mr Conte's government was also seen as highly eurosceptic, particularly in choosing Paolo Savona as economy minister. Minister for industry between 1993-94, he was staunchly opposed to signing the Maastricht Treaty and said he considered the euro currency a 'German cage'.

His planned appointment, and the coalition's victory, was mat with dismay by European leaders. Conte's appointment could herald an end to more than two months of political uncertainty in the eurozone's third-biggest economy.

But he must now finalise his cabinet, the subject of days of tough negotiations between the anti-establishment Five Star Movement and the far-right League.

The list of ministerial candidates must then be endorsed by head-of-state President Mattarella before it can seek parliamentary approval. Italian media reported League chief Matteo Salvini would become interior minister and Five Star leader Luigi Di Maio have the economic development ministry.
That's big, because it means the Euro and immigration will be controlled by La Lega, not Cinque Stelle. It looks like Cinque Stelle wants to blow out the EU budgetary limits and hand out money to low-income Italians while La Lega gets rid of the invaders, both Eurocrats and Africans. It's not a done deal yet, because Mattarella has to sign off on Savona and Salvini and he will be under tremendous pressure from the EU not to do so, but Salvini has made it clear that if he doesn't, La Lega will simply force another election that will only strengthen the alliance's hand.

This is a potentially better outcome than I had expected before the elections.

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29 Comments:

Blogger Looking Glass May 24, 2018 4:59 AM  

"German cage" might be the nicest, negative description I've heard of the Euro that actually gets to the heart of the problem. It's good to have people that understand the nature of the problem.

Though there's some hilarious potential for the Italians to basically make the Germans finance their overspending, while kicking out all of the invaders. This should be fun.

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 24, 2018 5:04 AM  

hand out £14.9b in universal basic income.

Just close your eyes and think of England.

Anonymous Anonymous May 24, 2018 5:34 AM  

"He leads a rag-tag coalition of far-right and anti-establishment parties."


deplorevole !

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Blogger Simon May 24, 2018 5:36 AM  

Great news but do not underestimate the EU's ability to sabotage the electorates will and governement, as they did in Greece.
I wish the Italians great success.

Blogger Sillon Bono May 24, 2018 5:59 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:"German cage" might be the nicest, negative description I've heard of the Euro that actually gets to the heart of the problem. It's good to have people that understand the nature of the problem.

Though there's some hilarious potential for the Italians to basically make the Germans finance their overspending, while kicking out all of the invaders. This should be fun.


I hear you and raise it: the Euro and it's monetary policies is a "German Cock Cage"

Blogger Brett baker May 24, 2018 6:04 AM  

Machiavelli approves!

Blogger Harambe May 24, 2018 6:35 AM  

Dammit! For a moment there I thought it was another Giuseppe who was gonna be prime minister. Now THAT would've been a show.

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 24, 2018 7:32 AM  

Actually seeing some invaders removed will be incredible optically. So much leftist rhetoric is based in inevitability that rolling back their "progress" will be a massive blow.

Clarifying some comments from a previous post, this is recognition that the nationalism/globalism binary is the preeminent conflict in the West today. It isn't the only one (granular binaries don't work), but they seem to be subordinating their other disagreements to this overriding issue. The logic is sound; table the domestic disputes until the nation is secured.

Blogger Jeff Wood May 24, 2018 7:34 AM  

@7

My dear Harambe, Giuseppe Garibaldi would have done, but they tell me he is no longer available.

There is a problem which, if both sides get their basic way, may solve itself.

The Cinque Stelle people tend leftist, hence the Universal Basic Income proposal. I would normally predict that this would be a disaster, but if La Lega turn on the Invaders, and begin by cutting off their welfare, UBI might be affordable for a while.

I enquired. The allowances given to the invaders exceed the basic old age pension here, not to mention the other costs they cause. I am regularly accosted by brown and black beggars. First I tell them No, and if they persist I tell them to fuck off. In English; and they understand every time.

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 24, 2018 7:57 AM  

Today on a talk radio station in Australia, the host and his regular guest Andrew Bolt, were talking about White Flight. An unheard of topic for this very CivNat station. Callers were relating stories of living in neighborhoods for decades and then having leave, feeling like strangers in the place where they grew up. One caller called in to disagree. He said he didn't think it was a problem, he was a third generation Australian-Greek. Andrew said to him, look I think you're kind of proving my point. I mean why do you feel the need to hyphenate your identity after three generations in this country. He said he thinks there is something wrong with this and it's unhealthy.

Blown away. Things are moving along apace.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira May 24, 2018 8:19 AM  

Universal basic income is bound to be a disaster anywhere it is tried.

Blogger Looking Glass May 24, 2018 9:10 AM  

Daniel Paul Grech Pereira wrote:Universal basic income is bound to be a disaster anywhere it is tried.

Of course, but, to afford it, they'd need to kick the EU out. You can deal with with the flu a lot better without the AIDS.

Blogger seeingsights May 24, 2018 9:20 AM  

Ideally I would like to see a 100 percent right wing government. But I'm ok with this. Nigel Farage met with leaders from 5 Star last year, and I trust Farage's instincts.

This coalition could cause interesting political developments. For example, it might inspire the emergence and growth of left of center anti EU parties in other countries. The basic income proposal might have an anti-migrant effect. An Italian voter might calculate that money going to migrants could be going to Italians. There are no doubt other possibilities that I can't come up with now.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 24, 2018 9:22 AM  

The Cinque Stelle people tend leftist

@9 Jeff Wood
They're basically Italy's Bernie-bros, from what I can tell. And Sanders has made noises in the past about wanting to restrict immigration because it was harming America's lower classes, so I could see 5S going along with that.

Blogger pyrrhus May 24, 2018 9:49 AM  

The basic income proposal might have an anti-migrant effect. An Italian voter might calculate that money going to migrants could be going to Italians. There are no doubt other possibilities that I can't come up with now.

I think Italians have figured this out...The next thing to figure out is the dumping the euro and getting rid of all the EU regulations would supercharge the economy, which has been stuck in neutral for 20 years...

Blogger Brett baker May 24, 2018 9:57 AM  

Not necessarily. If it replaces all or most of the other social welfare programs it might be a wash. Maybe even an improvement, since it would take fewer bureaucrats to implement and run.

Blogger Brett baker May 24, 2018 9:58 AM  

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Blogger AaMcavoy May 24, 2018 10:53 AM  

Congrats, VD, on correctly choosing a pre-collapse society.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 24, 2018 11:36 AM  

Uncle John's Band wrote:So much leftist rhetoric is based in inevitability that rolling back their "progress" will be a massive blow.

Very true. And very important to such institutions as the EU. Are there ten actual Europeans willing to die for the European Union? If you can't guarantee victory, who can you recruit to fight for it?

Blogger Elijah May 24, 2018 12:33 PM  

does the good ole USA need to take a lesson from Italy?

Blogger El Rojo May 24, 2018 1:28 PM  

In many ways the EU/Merkel actually did Europe a favor by overplaying their hand and allowing the immigrant flood.


Even with all the new Muggles Europe is far better off demographically than the US is. They could have slow rolled the immigration for decades and had a good chance of making the change they wanted over time.

But by flooding the member states the Muggles are unable to keep their bad behavior on the down low. (just too many to hide).

People are seeing it and getting pissed.

And its never too late to send them back.



Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 24, 2018 5:00 PM  

Let's not lose perspective here: it's still Italy. The UBI, if it were ever to be implemented, would not lead to a reduction in bureaucracy and would be a source of endless corruption (under how many different names do you think the average Camorra, 'Ndrangheta, SCU, or Mafia member would be drawing UBI?).

There's no God-Emperor over there, so until we starting seeing boats being left to sink in the Strittu di Sicilia, let's keep our
ottimismo in check.

Blogger The Kurgan May 24, 2018 6:31 PM  

This is a potentially better outcome than I had expected before the elections.

Indeed. A LOT better than I ever hoped.

Blogger The Kurgan May 24, 2018 6:32 PM  

Hehhehehhehe

Blogger The Kurgan May 24, 2018 6:33 PM  

Garibaldi was scum and a proto globalist.

Blogger VD May 24, 2018 6:52 PM  

There's no God-Emperor over there, so until we starting seeing boats being left to sink in the Strittu di Sicilia, let's keep our
ottimismo in check.


You have no idea what you're talking about. Americans know less about Europe than Europeans know about the USA, and all they know is that there is New York and LA, with Miami in between.

Blogger Damaris Tighe May 24, 2018 7:27 PM  

El Rojo wrote:In many ways the EU/Merkel actually did Europe a favor by overplaying their hand and allowing the immigrant flood.

Even with all the new Muggles Europe is far better off demographically than the US is. They could have slow rolled the immigration for decades and had a good chance of making the change they wanted over time.

But by flooding the member states the Muggles are unable to keep their bad behavior on the down low. (just too many to hide).

People are seeing it and getting pissed.

And its never too late to send them back.



they were boiling us frogs slowly.
they turn up the heat and a frog's gonna notice.

Blogger Damaris Tighe May 24, 2018 7:31 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:The basic income proposal might have an anti-migrant effect. An Italian voter might calculate that money going to migrants could be going to Italians. There are no doubt other possibilities that I can't come up with now.

I think Italians have figured this out...The next thing to figure out is the dumping the euro and getting rid of all the EU regulations would supercharge the economy, which has been stuck in neutral for 20 years...


great point but most of western left, the ''white left'' as the chinese say, despise their own people on principle and adore their role as saints giving the third world our all.

Blogger Thucydides May 24, 2018 7:47 PM  

Thanks for this. Here in the "Great White North" stories like this are simply ignored by the media (who wore rather focus on Trudeau's socks or selfies, if at all possible), so having more windows into the outside world is always appreciated.

And I look forward to reporting on how Universal Income works in Italy, since more and more Canadian politicians seem determined to get aboard that bandwagon. While we know what's going to happen in theory, it is always better to point out the examples in practice as well.

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