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Tuesday, May 29, 2018

Crisis in Italy

The anti-democratic Eurocratic debacle in Italy is already driving significant popular support to Matteo Salvini and La Lega:
I 5Stelle perdono consenso in particolare tra l'elettorato di sinistra. Ma ci sono anche consensi in fuga verso la Lega. Matteo Salvini scavalla anche la soglia del 25% e ora è a solo due punti dal M5s che al contrario delle Lega continua a perdere consensi. A sinistra e anche a destra. Per la Swg se si votasse oggi la Lega avrebbe il 27,5% dei voti, quasi dieci punti sopra il 17,4% del 4 marzo. Il M5s invece scenderebbe al 29,5%, dal 32,7. La Lega è in grande spolvero per tutti i sondaggisti che per altro non credono alleanza Lega-M5s in chiave elettorale. Convinti che alla fine Matteo Salvini si presenterà alle prossime elezioni con il centrodestra, dato oltre il 40%. Quindi in grado di formare un governo con Matteo Salvini premier e erede politico di Silvio Berlusconi. 
The Movimento 5 Stelle is losing support, particularly on the left of the electorate. But some of its support is also moving to La Lega. 

Matteo Salvini has now also reached the 25 percent threshold and is now only two points away from 5 Stelle, which, unlike the Lega, continues to lose support on the left  as well as on the right. According to the SWG, if the vote was today, La Lega would win 27.5 percent of the votes, more than ten points above the 17.4 percent it won in March. Movimento 5 Stelle would fall to 29.5 percent, down from 32.7. La Lega is expected to do well by all the pollsters who do not believe in the viability of the alliance between La Lega and 5 Stelle; they are convinced that Matteo Salvini will present himself at the next elections with the center-right and win over 40 percent of the vote. This will permit the Right to form a government with Matteo Salvini as the premier and political heir of Silvio Berlusconi.

This would mean that instead of a Left-Right euroskeptic alliance in power, the nationalist Right would take power directly. Of course, Salvini would be well-advised to throw a few bones to M5S in order to keep them from being tempted to get back in bed with the Eurofascists. But it's much too soon to even think about this, as Renzi is trying to worm his way back into power, there are discussions of impeaching Mattarella, and the general consensus is that a speedy new election would be the best way to settle the affair.

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25 Comments:

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 29, 2018 2:45 PM  

Mattarella has pushed forward the coming of a truly nationalist Italian government, imo. If I were of the globalist, social justice persuasion, I would see this as shockingly foolish.

"Appeal to Amenable Authority" doesn't work when the authorities have gone "deplorable." The amenables committed an own goal with this one.

Blogger Jordi May 29, 2018 3:10 PM  

How can we help the valiant italians ?

Blogger Mr Darcy May 29, 2018 3:10 PM  

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/the-euro-crisis-is-unfolding-on-schedule/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/sovereign-debt-crisis/a-global-systemic-collapse-opportunity-risk/



Blogger dh May 29, 2018 3:16 PM  

How can we help the valiant italians ?

As an American? Mind your own fucking business.

Blogger Salt May 29, 2018 3:26 PM  

So Italy may be getting ready to use its boot on the EU?

Blogger SirMaorio May 29, 2018 3:31 PM  

VD did say 2 elections cycles, in Italy that could be 2 months.

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 29, 2018 3:35 PM  

What are the odds of election shenanigans in Italy? Are we talking Mexico style or U.S. levels?

Blogger Salt May 29, 2018 3:38 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:What are the odds of election shenanigans in Italy? Are we talking ... U.S. levels?

Has Italy contacted the Clintons? Hillary wrote the book.

Blogger pyrrhus May 29, 2018 3:52 PM  

O/T.. Belgian police killed were women...

Blogger pyrrhus May 29, 2018 3:56 PM  

Renzi is a traitor...The Italians need to start dealing with people like him...

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir May 29, 2018 4:09 PM  

VD, you live there. How are Rachele and Alessandra Mussolini positioning themselves in all of this?

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey May 29, 2018 4:10 PM  

Well that word contagion is back en vogue again, and the banksters are out in force with dire predictions on all sides. Italy has become the new Greece.

Nothing can top Emperor Palatine, aka George Soros, today at his speech in Paris. His solution is a doozy. He's calling for a massive Marshall Plan for Africa. Billions of debt dollars now must flow from the EU and United States into African infrastructure investments. That is his path forward. Wasn't bad enough to saddle Italy et al. with all these poor African Muslims, now we have to send boatloads of cash in return, too.

You can't make this stuff up if you tried. Nobody would believe you.

Blogger JACIII May 29, 2018 4:37 PM  

Just going by VD's reports alone Italian politics is insanely chaotic. Is this cultural?

Blogger English Tom May 29, 2018 4:41 PM  

OT. Anonymousconservative site still access denied.

Blogger Jeff Wood May 29, 2018 5:06 PM  

@13

JAC, I am not sure that the politics here are as chaotic as they seem from outside.

At some stage in the day, everyone here goes to the bar. There, they take a coffee, a beer or a vino (or, now that summer has finally arrived, a Spritzer). On the tables are newspapers, and before turning to the cycling/football sections, everyone takes a look at the front page and the expansions inside.

When the TV news comes on, conversation stops.

The men, and later the women, meet in groups. Over cards, the conversation is football, cycling, scandal and politics.

These parish gatherings can generate opinion at a remarkable speed. For instance the murder and dismemberment of a teenage girl by a Nigerian had an immediate effect on people's expressed feelings about the Invasion. The retaliatory shooting spree by a young Italian was treated, at least in my company, with surprised approval. The shooter, Luca Traini, is being received as a hero in his local dungeon.

Both reactions stem from the bar, as I described. The mood can change fast there, but it is reasoned and considered.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 29, 2018 5:19 PM  

The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:Nothing can top Emperor Palatine, aka George Soros, today at his speech in Paris. His solution is a doozy. He's calling for a massive Marshall Plan for Africa. Billions of debt dollars now must flow from the EU and United States into African infrastructure investments. That is his path forward. Wasn't bad enough to saddle Italy et al. with all these poor African Muslims, now we have to send boatloads of cash in return, too.

You can't make this stuff up if you tried. Nobody would believe you.

Here are the major Soros initiatives that, off the top of my head, I can list:
stop re-election of G W Bush
stop Victor Orban
stop election of Trump
support Black Lives Matter
support Left-wing evangelicals

The only one that could be called a success is BLM, which likely contributed to the election of Trump. Evangelicals are firmly in the nationalist camp. Soros money at this point carries such a taint that if I were on the left I would suspect him to be an Alt-Right entryist mole. Or perhaps a Russian spy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 29, 2018 5:22 PM  

The news page is showing stories from September, so my money is on a site crash, and they're in the middle of restoring it.

Blogger Thucydides May 29, 2018 7:33 PM  

Instapundit reports on the Italian President preventing the formation of a government: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/298107/

and

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/foreign-policy/europe/silent-coup-italy/

Blogger JACIII May 29, 2018 7:41 PM  

Grazie!

Jeff Wood wrote:@13

JAC, I am not sure that the politics here are as chaotic as they seem from outside.

At some stage in the day, everyone here goes to the bar. There, they take a coffee, a beer or a vino (or, now that summer has finally arrived, a Spritzer). On the tables are newspapers, and before turning to the cycling/football sections, everyone takes a look at the front page and the expansions inside.

When the TV news comes on, conversation stops.

The men, and later the women, meet in groups. Over cards, the conversation is football, cycling, scandal and politics.

These parish gatherings can generate opinion at a remarkable speed. For instance the murder and dismemberment of a teenage girl by a Nigerian had an immediate effect on people's expressed feelings about the Invasion. The retaliatory shooting spree by a young Italian was treated, at least in my company, with surprised approval. The shooter, Luca Traini, is being received as a hero in his local dungeon.

Both reactions stem from the bar, as I described. The mood can change fast there, but it is reasoned and considered.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2018 7:44 PM  

IbremI rem not long ago seeing a story about the victory of "populism" (naughty thing inithe eyes of the MSM, unless it's non-white populism or populism against the kind of rich and powerful people it's okay to despise) in Italy. The image under the headline featured the Italian flag waving way in the background with a statue's butt dominating the foreground.

Message: populism is butt.

They're rubbing it in.

Blogger eclecticme May 29, 2018 11:05 PM  

The graphic map in Powerline shows in which areas in Italy the 'populist right and left' won a majority of votes.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/05/the-italian-crisis-update.php

Blogger CoolHand May 30, 2018 2:51 AM  

@20 Alternate interpretation: They're subconsciously preparing themselves to take one in the ass.

Alternate Alternate Interpretation: They're hoping the population will end up taking this one in the ass.

As usual, their message prominently features butt buggery of one sort or another.

Blogger CarpeOro May 30, 2018 10:20 AM  

dh wrote:How can we help the valiant italians ?

As an American? Mind your own fucking business.


Agreed. I wouldn't ask for an Italian coworker's opinion on American politics, so I won't presume to give my opinion on Italian politics. You put the 'Nation' in Nationalist by sticking to your own. Now if they bring up the globalists, that is something we can work on together. Not sure if there are laws against getting involved in other nation's elections (if they exist they are obviously ignored or selectively enforced), but then I wouldn't advocate for any new laws. Adding "laws" at this point only gives the globalists more weapons.

Blogger CarpeOro May 30, 2018 10:22 AM  

Oh, and I won't bring up the latest incident in Belgium to anyone out of our office there either. We all need to put our own house in order first.

Blogger Anthony May 30, 2018 11:54 AM  

Paul Krugman is perceptive enough to say this was shockingly foolish. The pushback on Twitter is hilarious.

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