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Saturday, May 19, 2018

Defend the Right

Jon Del Arroz explains why it is wrong for those on the Right to attack Right-wing creators:
I will not attack fellow creators on the right ever. We’re already under immense pressure from above. We’re being banned from conventions en masse. We’re being blacklisted from publishers by threats from industry professionals. There’s no way you can ever get me to talk smack about someone who’s struggling as an independent to create art and make it against these insurmountable odds.

Every time you do it, you are holding our movement down.

I know it sounds counter intuitive, as the media will lambast Person X and make them look really bad! If only we had respectable creators, well then they couldn’t lambast and that’s what we need, right?

It’s wrong. No one on our side is respectable to their media machine or legion of groupthinkers. No one is even HUMAN on our side according to them. So what if we have some ideological differences? So what if the artistic project isn’t my cup of tea? It’s not like it’s some giant corporate promoted propaganda, it’s an independent person doing it on their time, taking enormous risk.

I’m only here to lift up the movement. I don’t care about disagreeing with someone on minor matters, I don’t even care if I love the product they put out. There’s personal reasons their product is done the way they want — that’s what art is all about. Sometimes there’s financial reasons that it looks or feels a certain way as well.

So I urge you, if you don’t like a book or whatnot or someone on our side, don’t say anything.That’s the best you can do. You’re not obliged to promote everything, but don’t squash this movement in its infancy.
I absolutely agree. Look at how the Left does it. They unstintingly praise even the most shoddy, error-filled nonsense as brilliant works of genius. Look at how the Fake Right does it; you need only read the recent reviews of Jonah Goldberg's eminently forgettable new book by all the neocons hailing it as "a new conservative classic" and praising it to the skies.

They do this because it works. Hell, look at how most of you genuinely believed - and some of you still believe - that Jordan Peterson is a brilliant and important intellectual on the basis of nothing more than an extensive public relations campaign that began back in 2004 at Wodek Szemberg's house.

Now, you might ask how I can reasonably endorse Jon Del Arroz's policy when I have so publicly criticized Richard Spencer, Jordan Peterson, Andrew Anglin, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, Jonah Goldberg, and others. The answer is very simple: they are neither creators nor are they genuine men of the Right.

People repeatedly ask me to denounce, disavow, or otherwise attack men like Stefan Molyneaux, Mike Cernovich, John C. Wright, Larry Correia, and other men of the Right on the basis of our various philosophical and ideological disagreements. Don't even bother. It's not going to happen. Because I support what they are doing even though I don't agree with them on everything.

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93 Comments:

Blogger BR MK May 19, 2018 12:22 PM  

But how to distinguish between fake and genuine right?

Blogger James May 19, 2018 12:23 PM  

The evil ones learned a long time ago that you can call feces nutritious and someone will eat it up. If and approved composer creates structured noise in the 19th century, genius! If someone threw some paint on a canvas, innovative! If someone creates a tedious movie that has the proper narrative, ground breaking! Non-Thinkers and herd animals will always be roped in by the Emperor's New Clothes that the (((fashion))) gurus promote. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.

Blogger Randomatos May 19, 2018 12:25 PM  

By their fruits you shall know them.

Blogger Dave May 19, 2018 12:29 PM  

Hell, look at how most of you genuinely believed

Most of the regulars here with their skeptical natures would, I believe, view this as an injustice. Perhaps the Jordanologists were more vocal.

Blogger VD May 19, 2018 12:32 PM  

Most of the regulars here with their skeptical natures would, I believe, view this as an injustice.

I was reliably informed that sentiment among the Dread Ilk was initially running 85 percent against me after my initial post on Peterson. To their credit, they kept the discussion internal, and for the most part, maintained an open mind to hear out my case as it developed.

I believe most of them were subsequently convinced that Peterson was not the man they believed him to be.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 19, 2018 12:35 PM  

J Pete's ship is apparently hitting some choppy waters, because the apologists were out in force on Twitter.

Speaking of, has this "daring fearless voice of the right" ever even been in Twitter Jail?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 12:38 PM  

BR MK wrote:But how to distinguish between fake and genuine right?

Is he shooting Left, only? Is he against immigration and pro-Wall? He might be genuine.

Is he an open borders advocate? Supports the UN? Supports importing refugees? Supports endless war for peace? Needs to start out every argument with something like ``I'm not a racist, but ...''? He is probably fake.

Blogger VD May 19, 2018 12:39 PM  

But how to distinguish between fake and genuine right?

Learn what is Right and what is Left. Then read what they have written and categorize them correctly, not on the basis of what they profess, but what they push.

Blogger Wanderer May 19, 2018 12:40 PM  

BR MK wrote:But how to distinguish between fake and genuine right?
Don't blindly follow what other people -- even guys you otherwise like -- will say about a person. You should actually closely examine them yourself before deciding to trust them or not.

Jordan Peterson is the best example of this. The entire manosphere totally embraced him. Even guys I otherwise respect such as Roosh. There's no way these manosphere guys actually closely examined Peterson though. There's no way a guy like Roosh read Maps of Meaning, got to the part where Peterson says that he literally worships his wife as the Mother of God, and decided "yeah, this guy is redpilled".

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 12:43 PM  

VD wrote:I was reliably informed that sentiment among the Dread Ilk was initially running 85 percent against me after my initial post on Peterson.

Not Dread Ilk, but I didn't see the point initially. I had no idea why you found Peterson worth your time. Now you have made your case, and I agree.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 12:47 PM  

Wanderer wrote:Don't blindly follow what other people -- even guys you otherwise like -- will say about a person. You should actually closely examine them yourself before deciding to trust them or not.

We see someone get something right, and it's easy to assume he's on the same page. Peterson got publicity for doing some things that looked very Right. It was easy to assume good things about him.

Getting publicity from the media for violating their narrative probably should have been a tip-off. Usually they memory-hole that kind of thing, if they air it at all.

Blogger Dave May 19, 2018 12:51 PM  

The extensive public relations campaign must have been very effective indeed if 85% of the Dread Ilk were initially inclined to side with JBP rather than the SDL.

This might explain the push for Voxiversity if people were influenced to this degree by a youtuber.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 12:54 PM  

I didn't know anything about Peterson at all, so I was content to see the chips fall where they may. I had never watched or read anything the man said.

I only had one of my brothers and a couple friends tell me I should pay attention to him. I asked them why I should, and their reasons made no sense at all. Clean my room? I'm a 41 year old husband, father, sales freight train, dancing machine, cool guy, Alpha male, etc. I don't want to toot my own horn, though, but...

Ladies love me, girls adore me
Even the ones that never saw me, so

You get the idea. So yes Peterson was an enigma to me.

Blogger Dave May 19, 2018 1:03 PM  

Clean my room? Take your pills?

I know, right? I own a 5bdrm/3ba house wtf is this clean your room shit? I'm blessed when it comes to taking pills but I don't even like taking aspirin or cold medicine if I can bear it.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 1:05 PM  

Take your pills...oh right like aminos, N.Oxplode, BCAA's?

Blogger GM May 19, 2018 1:10 PM  

Not Dread Ilk.

My initial response to Peterson was positive. For two reasons:

1) I understood he wasn't Christian, but he wasn't openly anti-Christian. As a fallen away Christian coming back to the faith that was a bridge that I could use to communicate with friends. In one case I was able to move on to sharing Mere Christianity with someone who was now opened to hearing the real thing. So I saw that as useful.

2) He said true things about men and women: pointing out their inherent differences, questioning whether they should be in the workplace together, questioning women's psycho-sexual motivations in embracing immigration. I could see him wear as a badge the way he helped women be more assertive for career purposes, but found him useful in presenting and legitimating anti-feminist ideas.

I watched his first few Bible lectures, then got bored with the repetitiveness. The Faith Goldy thing was ridiculous. His stance on "identity politics" was dumb. He clearly was as afraid of the right wing backlash as he was disgusted with the left wing nonsense.

So I checked out, leaving with the assumption that he was useful but too soft-headed to take some of his insights to their logical conclusions.

Then Vox ripped off the mask.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 19, 2018 1:14 PM  

Can I also add that, as far as actual policy goes, Mr. Wright, for instance, is about 80% on the same side as Vox. Repeatedly attacking and demeaning an 80% ally is shitty strategy. Honestly, I wonder if he wouldn't have been persuadable if a bunch of dumbasses hadn't insulted and attacked his family. There is no faster way to lose a potential ally, guys. Get it together.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 19, 2018 1:15 PM  

My father used to tell me that when two men think the same, one has stopped thinking.

He did pause when I asked him if that meant he wanted me to disagree with him more ...

Anyway, I'm a fan of the "Guns don't kill people; range time, target identification, and trigger control kill people" school, so I definitely favor the notion of never firing Right. The Left is such a target-rich environment you cannot actually miss as long as you're actually firing.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus May 19, 2018 1:17 PM  

Clean our rooms Jordan? Is it not better to start by cleaning our own colons? : Now that's a clean colon. /sarc

Blogger Dave May 19, 2018 1:17 PM  

Vox, has your BS meter ever failed you? After all this time the Dread Ilk weren't sold on it.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume May 19, 2018 1:19 PM  

@1

My own personal heuristic is this: does the media/infotainment/punditocracy complex hold someone out as a Reasonable Conservative? Do they prop them up as someone who is ideologically wrong but responsible and moral?

I don't look at what a guy like Jordan Peterson says. I'm not only a midwit, I am frankly not educated enough to pick him apart like our host.

But you can often tell the character of a man by who his friends are and who his enemies are.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 19, 2018 1:22 PM  

"But you can often tell the character of a man by who his friends are and who his enemies are."

This.

I would have voted for Trump on this basis alone, were I an American.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 19, 2018 1:27 PM  

5. VD May 19, 2018 12:32 PM
sentiment among the Dread Ilk was initially running 85 percent against me after my initial post on Peterson.


wow.

i was never under the impression that Peterson was without massive error ( Freud, et al ) or even that he might actually be on my side.

i was just observing that on a FEW items ( horrors of Marxism, Feminist oppression of men ), he appeared to be speaking fairly decent RealTalk.

somewhat on topic with Social Manipulation angle of the main post, it's interesting watching the FX show "Legion". especially pay attention to their framing sequences in which they discuss "Moral Panic" and other crowd psychology concepts.

and then remember, that a Sociopath would view crowd psych manipulation as an excellent tool to have and use.

and then observe which crowd psych manipulations that the show is trying to push.

Q: why WOULD you put a pedo-stache on a female character?

A: if you're trying to normalize Gender Fluidity, it makes perfect sense

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 19, 2018 1:38 PM  

I'll often support beleaguered creators by buying their books, even if I have no intention of reading them.

I probably should be paying Vox Day for reading things like Maps of Meanin, or Steve Sailer for reading the NY Times. Things I won't read, won't buy, but should be read by someone.

Blogger pyrrhus May 19, 2018 1:42 PM  

No enemies to the right, absolutely....Fake right is different, they are more dangerous than the left.

Blogger pyrrhus May 19, 2018 1:45 PM  

Can I also add that, as far as actual policy goes, Mr. Wright, for instance, is about 80% on the same side as Vox. Repeatedly attacking and demeaning an 80% ally is shitty strategy. Honestly, I wonder if he wouldn't have been persuadable if a bunch of dumbasses hadn't insulted and attacked his family. There is no faster way to lose a potential ally, guys. Get it together.

Based on a couple of run-ins I have had with Wright, I don't agree. Wright doesn't seem to have a "side", nor is he all that principled. Nevertheless, he is enough on our side that I would never attack him.

Blogger Loyd Jenkins May 19, 2018 2:07 PM  

Well put. We must hang together for we will certainly hang separately.

Blogger Keef May 19, 2018 2:27 PM  

I’m curious to see if Stefan Molyneux addresses the division of many of his allies with regard to Jordan Peterson. Some support JPB and some denounce him.

Stef has had Vox as well as JPB on his show.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 2:27 PM  

bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) wrote:i was just observing that on a FEW items ( horrors of Marxism, Feminist oppression of men ), he appeared to be speaking fairly decent RealTalk.

Well, we wouldn't attack anyone who is speaking fairly decent RealTalk for that RealTalk. We might have to talk about stopped clocks being right twice a day when we praise them for it, though.

Blogger James Dixon May 19, 2018 2:33 PM  

> I was reliably informed that sentiment among the Dread Ilk was initially running 85 percent against me after my initial post on Peterson.

Your position that Peterson wasn't of the right was obvious from the start. He was always a liberal heretic. The fact that he was being set up as controlled opposition wasn't clear, at least to me, until you did your work.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 2:56 PM  

Very well said. I'm not exactly Dread Ilk nor exactly a conservative, but I've refrained from publicly putting down some of the people mentioned myself.

Anyone pursuing such goals already has an uphill battle filled with long days and much risk. No need to add to their struggle simply to... What? What is the real goal when talking shit about the people in your own movement?

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums May 19, 2018 3:04 PM  

I would go so far as to say do not attack creators altogether. The creator's need to create greatly exceeds his need to proselytize.

This is what the left does. How many creators with right-wing leaning are out there actively working for leftist companies? If the golden goose follows orders accordingly they'll turn a blind eye on their political beliefs, the end effect being an increase in their talent pool.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 3:55 PM  

OMG they are revisionist historying their own Ann Frank

New pages of official holohoax Anne Frank diary has sex jokes, gay uncles, & prostitutes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/anne-franks-gay-uncle-sex-jokes-found-hidden-in-her-diary/
http://www.towleroad.com/2018/05/anne-frank-gay/

But how to distinguish between fake and genuine right?

Do shitlibs come to their defense like John McCain & JP?

Blogger Lyon May 19, 2018 4:01 PM  

Wait now, the Dreaded Ilk are whom, exactly?

Is it a term for those who visit this site on a regular basis? I gather that's what it is, but is there more nuance to it?

Over a year ago I stumbled upon JBP. Admittedly, I watched a number of his videos but was never moved to read his Maps of Meaning. JBP initially seemed to have something to say, even if I was decidedly unsure as to what that, in fact, was (...he seemed more intelligent than me; when I was in my early 20s, my IQ was tested at 131). After some time of casual rumination, I concluded he was a dead-end, possibly an endless rabbit hole or a basket case, and moved on.

All that said, I was intrigued at the first Vox response to JBP, which seemed merely visceral; an instinct more so than anything factual. And yet now I'm impressed at how Vox swiftly assessed the entire JBP situation.
So yes, I too would have put me in the 85% who at least were questioning where Vox was taking this. Innocent till proven guilty and all that, being my default mode. Then Vox swiftly made the air-tight case. If I were in the jury box, I'd vote JBP guilty as charged.

Did I just answer my question above? Am I know in the Dreaded Ilk number?


Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 4:04 PM  

fresh out video
stefanmolyneux: Jordan Peterson | 'Custodian of the Patriarchy' - Rebutted! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOkI-z27sw

Blogger Lyon May 19, 2018 4:05 PM  

Correction * Am I now in the Dreaded Ilk number?

Blogger Sheila4g May 19, 2018 4:20 PM  

I'm not Dread Ilk, nor was I a Peterson acolyte. I'd heard about him, and watched his supposed pwning of Cathy Newman . . . and was underwhelmed. Regardless of whatever else he may have done or said or advocated, Peterson is anathema to me due to his support for the UN/globalism.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 4:24 PM  

Correction * Am I now in the Dreaded Ilk number?

You are number 1 member https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/25957155

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 4:25 PM  

Lyon,

If you have to ask, and can't even spell it right, you are not "Dreaded" Ilk, and never have been.

Blogger SmockMan May 19, 2018 4:26 PM  

I like to provide some feedback, even criticism. Sometimes I can be too critical.

I don't provide enough positive feedback, even when I liked a book.

But if I really didnt like a book I read, I won't review it.

Blogger VD May 19, 2018 4:36 PM  

Did I just answer my question above? Am I know in the Dreaded Ilk number?

No, regular readers are Ilk. Dread Ilk are something else.

Blogger Matthew May 19, 2018 4:54 PM  

Rough heuristic for being Dread Ilk:

You have had more than one comment mangled inexplicably by the CoComment system.

Blogger Matthew May 19, 2018 4:55 PM  

If you don't know what I'm talking about, you'll have to settle for just being Ilk.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 5:05 PM  

It's more of a heuristic matrix. My wife had an entire blog post and a few hundred comments devoted to her, but she isn't Dread Ilk.

Blogger tublecane May 19, 2018 5:14 PM  

People may be confused by the fact that there is in-fighting amongst leftists, with constant recriminations and unpersonings. Everyone's position is more precarious over there, because they are more disciplined in this area at least. The Sword of Damocles hangs over their heads, and they could be cast out of polite society on the slightest evidence for an infinitely number of crimes at any moment.

Which may sound like the right's periodic purges. However, the left abides by one, simple rule: No Enemy to the Left, No Friend to the Right. Or at least they try to, and they're good at it.

When the left attacks its own, it's for right deviationism, real or perceived. When Conservatism Inc. attacks its own, it's to get in good with the left. Therein lies the major difference.

Vox shoots leftward, toward the enemy. The Respectable Right shoots to the right, toward us.

Blogger David The Good May 19, 2018 5:23 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:It's more of a heuristic matrix. My wife had an entire blog post and a few hundred comments devoted to her, but she isn't Dread Ilk.

Stg58 has chili and knows who's got pigs in the azaleas.

Blogger David The Good May 19, 2018 5:24 PM  

Matthew wrote:Rough heuristic for being Dread Ilk:

You have had more than one comment mangled inexplicably by the CoComment system.



And remembers the great Nate/Bane Wars.

Blogger Shamgar May 19, 2018 5:25 PM  

Relevant?
Jordan Peterson | 'Custodian of the Patriarchy' - Rebutted!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOkI-z27sw

Blogger Lyon May 19, 2018 5:33 PM  

@ 39. Dread Ilk, gotchya.

"No, regular readers are Ilk. Dread Ilk are something else." -Vox

Noted. Thanks for the reply.

Blogger Flair1239 May 19, 2018 5:41 PM  

Peterson Never made a secret of his political leanings. His point is that the Institutions we have while not perfect have served us for the better and we should think twice before tearing them down.

I am not sure that is possible at this point, but it would be nice if it were. Peterson suggests directing energy wasted on activism to personal responsibility.

These
Things are not subversive nor are they revolutionary.

Blogger Akulkis May 19, 2018 5:43 PM  

@6 Don't Call Me Len

Hey, man, Twitter Jail ain't no joke. I know a girl who, while she was in Twitter Jail was almost raped

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 5:44 PM  

David, there's no other way to live. And chili has no beans, you damn heathens!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2018 5:54 PM  

Am I now in the Dreaded Ilk number?
ARE YOU A FED?

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 5:56 PM  

Y'all and your chili.

Now, if you haven't found yourself wondering when the next ATF show might be...

Or pondered whether little umbrellas MIGHT just make a drink better...

Blogger English Tom May 19, 2018 6:01 PM  

Vox, I have to confess that when Peterson emerged I saw him as a breath of fresh air. I am glad you deconstructed him. It shows just how insidious the enemy is, and relentless. I'm assuming the whole point of his emergence onto the politico/cultural stage has been designed from the beginning to get him into political office.
I don't see how a med gobbling neurotic should be given such a an opportunity but of course, to the controllers he is perfect.

Blogger tublecane May 19, 2018 6:08 PM  

@55- "I don't see how a med gobbling neurotic should be given such a an opportunity"

Come to Minnesota, where our governor appears high every time he's in public. Slurred speech and everything. But his name is Dayton and the right positive are taken, so who cares?

Jesse Ventura is probably mentally-ill, too, but we got our kicks.

Blogger English Tom May 19, 2018 6:08 PM  

Anne Frank's diary. The gift that keeps on giving. Let's hope the family of Meyer Levin are still receiving royalties from it.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 6:11 PM  

Great Essay:

"Trump Is Going Full Alinsky – and His Opponents Are Flummoxed"

The left, despite conventional wisdom, has no monopoly on Alinsky's rules. Instead these rules can be used by the right, also as blueprint for effecting change.

The dirty little secret is that Alinsky has little in common with modern leftists. As Ralph Benko writes, "Alinsky was an aggressively anti-communist, anti-big government, populist with a healthy contempt for liberals." He would more likely be found at a Tea Party rally wearing a MAGA hat than at a resistance march wearing a pink pussy hat.


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/trump_is_going_full_alinsky__and_his_opponents_are_flummoxed.html

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 6:12 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Am I now in the Dreaded Ilk number?

ARE YOU A FED?

He's the Dreaded Pirate Roberts.

Blogger Michael Maier May 19, 2018 6:14 PM  

SOME Dread Ilk ARE Feds....

Not me, though..... (COUGH)

Blogger English Tom May 19, 2018 6:15 PM  

@Tublecane

Re: the politico you described. Like I said, to the controllers he is perfect.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 6:31 PM  

cough bullshit Maier

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 19, 2018 6:32 PM  

29. Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 2:27 PM
Well, we wouldn't attack anyone who is speaking fairly decent RealTalk for that RealTalk.



nor did Vox do so.

but my point is still valid:
i hadn't observed JBP telling lies any more ridiculous than i was being taught in elementary school back in the seventies ( in both the North and the South ).

Columbus didn't have to convince anyone that the Earth is round.

Democracy is not a principle of the Founding Fathers.

Marx is every bit as "scientific" as Freud, which is to say, "not at all".

etc, ad nauseum.

however, Vox has convinced me that Peterson is an integral part of the Swamp. i will note that Peterson has always shown that he knows exactly who has the whip hand, when there is a Jew in the room.

Blogger OGRE May 19, 2018 6:36 PM  

Shamgar wrote:Relevant?

Jordan Peterson | 'Custodian of the Patriarchy' - Rebutted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOkI-z27sw


I'll put good money down that Molyneux will back Peterson over Vox, in a heartbeat.

Blogger Sheila4g May 19, 2018 7:03 PM  

@58 Mark Stoval: "Alinsky was an aggressively anti-communist, anti-big government, populist with a healthy contempt for liberals." He would more likely be found at a Tea Party rally wearing a MAGA hat than at a resistance march wearing a pink pussy hat."

Bull feces. Standard DR3 fare from TruCons. Of course, I was banned from that site many years ago for my HBD positions, so my opinion and comment may be safely dismissed as notsee.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 7:23 PM  

@65

You may or may not be right. I'll look in to it. However, the essay was about Trump using the methods outlined against the left. That was the main part of the essay.

On the other hand, I am so old that I recall the liberal president JFK who now looks like he could be Trump's VP. The field of play has changed drastically as the "conservatives" kept losing.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 19, 2018 7:48 PM  

@58 @65 @66 Just for argument's sake, Alinsky was a full-on Cloward-Piven crash-the-capitalist-state community-organizer communist. Several of his rules only point that way, like the Cloward-Piven rule of making the enemy live up to their own set of impossible rules and thereby fail. Alinsky just claimed not to be a direct Soviet-owned communist by not joining the Soviet-owned official Communist party of the time.

The rest of the article about how Trump accesses a few of the Alinsky Rules is ... adequate.

Blogger Mr. Deficient May 19, 2018 8:36 PM  

RE:JBP

You have been right far to often with very very counter narrative ideas for me to discount anything you say out of hand. Especially when it comes to things that seem ridiculous that I don't really understand. Many of them, perhaps even a majority, I cannot seem to understand and grasp and I just have to live with that void for the time being.

Blogger Mr. Deficient May 19, 2018 8:50 PM  

@64 agreed, since his embrace of "my tribe is smart people" and "separation of race and stage" he has gone back to pure anarcho land and denies any sort of forced homogeneity on NAP grounds. Furthermore, he thinks we have lost this round of civilization with no hope tk salvage it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 8:58 PM  

markstoval wrote:The left, despite conventional wisdom, has no monopoly on Alinsky's rules. Instead these rules can be used by the right, also as blueprint for effecting change.

Tactics that work ... work? Who'd a thunk it? Obviously not the author at American Thinker. The author there is quoting Ralph Benko, writing at Forbes. Benko's bio leads off with
I am the editor-in-chief of the Committee To Unleash Prosperity's Supply Side Blog; founder of the Prosperity Caucus, and, with Charles Kadlec, co-editor of the Laissez Faire Books edition of Copernicus's Essay on Money.
He's a Reagan Retread in a think tank. Probably cuckservative as they come, so no surprise he's lying about Alinsky the Satanist.

This is why cuckservatives hate, Hate, HATE Trump: he not only wins where they insisted that losing was necessary, he wins by doing all the things the cucks insisted we must never do.

Blogger wisdom wizard May 19, 2018 9:01 PM  


You need to watch and say something about this:


https://twitter.com/FaithGoldy/status/997891886554763266

Blogger weka May 19, 2018 9:47 PM  

And we don't want to meet the VFM when the dark Lord let's them loose.

Blogger weka May 19, 2018 9:49 PM  

Have you ever been a member of media matters or any other Soros front?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2018 9:50 PM  

Ralph Benko is the president of the Alinsky Center, dedicated to promoting the legacy and "Radically Humanitarian" message of Saul Alinsky. And to provide full employment for his grandchildren, evidently.
Several of the principals there are also instrumental in the work of the Center to Unleash Prosperity.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2018 9:51 PM  

wisdom wizard wrote:You need to watch and say something about this:
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, giving Vox orders works out so well.

Blogger tublecane May 19, 2018 10:20 PM  

@66- If the Alinsky of the 60s were magically transported without change to the present he could be confused for a rightist. But he almost certainly would bring himself up-to-date and get ahead of the leftist curve. Because he was Satanic.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2018 10:33 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Ralph Benko is the president of the Alinsky Center, dedicated to promoting the legacy and "Radically Humanitarian" message of Saul Alinsky.

I thought you were joking. You're not.

If you follow that link, let me know if you get the single word Forbidden. Might have to refresh the page: I didn't get that until I tried to follow a link.

You can find the text in the giggle cache, at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0MdHId8YycUJ:alinskycenter.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
and
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kmM2M1W1whwJ:alinskycenter.com/who-we-are/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Blogger Jack Amok May 19, 2018 11:19 PM  

SOME Dread Ilk ARE Feds....

Fed Ilk, Dread Ilk, eh.

But you have to watch out for the Vile Fed Minions.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 11:54 PM  

Vile Fed Mormons?

Blogger wreckage May 20, 2018 12:40 AM  

The article gives a quick list of the rules, and the rules are absolutely solid tactically.

Blogger wreckage May 20, 2018 3:19 AM  

Anyway, it was via my fatigue with right and christian bashing that I ended up commenting here, via looking for John C Wright purely on the basis that he was being attacked for VERY mild wrongthink. I now only buy from authors and creators that don't attack me and mine, and preferentially buy from those who are broadly speaking Right Wing.

Blogger Antony May 20, 2018 3:31 AM  

OT - but it looks like "God's Chosen People" have managed to get a Blasphemy law in South Carolina ; https://www.timesofisrael.com/south-carolina-set-to-become-first-state-to-define-anti-semitism-by-law/

Blogger Wanderer May 20, 2018 3:55 AM  

wisdom wizard wrote:

You need to watch and say something about this:

https://twitter.com/FaithGoldy/status/997891886554763266


Women shouldn't be wasting their time in careers and getting spat on and assaulted by mentally ill leftist retards for shit pay. She should be at home baking dinner for her family and giving her husband a back rub.

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Anonymous Anonymous May 20, 2018 6:15 AM  

A difference between Left and Right is in reality a difference between degenerates and normal men/ women.
Word "Left" (ideology or art or press…) give them some legitimation.
words "pseudoscience", "degenerate art", "degenerate press" (or lyingnewspapers (c Huey Long)) еtс are better.

And this "Lefts" (degenerates) shields, adverts one another just because they are clan or mafia of degenerates.

Blogger Patrikbc May 20, 2018 10:28 AM  

“Wait now, the Dreaded Ilk are whom, exactly?”

Do you even Opsec bro?
The Dread Ilk are a community within a community, a multidenominational church, if you will (Rumor has it they have even made an exception for a catholic or two). The Dread Ilk pray for each other, look out for each other, and occasionally take huge steaming shits on each other. the Dread Ilk are a force of nature, a family traveling in some cases, great distances to spend time together. It’s also rumored some of them are dark magicians, who can make nuisance commenters disappear. At least that’s what I’ve heard.

Blogger Robert What? May 20, 2018 4:13 PM  

I read both Vox and the Daily Stormer. Both speak the truth although Vox hates Anglin for some reason.

Blogger Lyon May 20, 2018 4:53 PM  

@89 Patrikbc, thanks for the intel. And now I'm off to understand Opsec...

Blogger Meng Greenleaf May 20, 2018 7:07 PM  

Once elucidating the criteria towards defining what is the category "Western Civilization", VOX has made it clearer as to who would be classified as Alt Right or even right leaning conservative. Assuming conserving Western Civilization is the topic under discussion / discourse.

Blogger heidi May 20, 2018 8:44 PM  

JP was an interesting study in the ability to view unreasonable support in a context I hadn’t other wise seen that behavior. And also a gratifying reminder that the dreaded Dread Ilk were still capable of using their own brains. We can’t just be good looking. We are smart too. Except that one guy.

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