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Thursday, May 10, 2018

Do what EU want

It appears the EU is experiencing a "come to Queen Cersei" moment with regards to the Iran nuclear deal, which is not a treaty and from which the God-Emperor clearly had the ability to withdraw unilaterally.
The European Union has rebuked Donald Trump over his move to break the Iran nuclear deal, telling the US president he does not have the power to unilaterally scrap the international agreement.

In a statement delivered on Tuesday night EU foreign affairs chief Federica Mogherini said the US should reconsider its position, but that it was not within the power of the country’s president to end the accord.

Speaking in Rome the EU’s Ms Mogherini said Europe “regrets” Mr Trump’s new policy, but added: “As we have always said the nuclear deal is not a bilateral agreement and it is not in the hands of any single country to terminate it unilaterally.

“It has been unanimously endorsed by the UN security council resolution 2231, it is a key element of the global non-proliferation architecture, it is relevant in itself, but even more so in these times of encouraging symbols on the prospect of the denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula.

“The nuclear deal with Iran is crucial for the security of the region, of Europe and of the entire region. As long as Iran continues to implement its nuclear-related commitments as it is doing so far the European union will remain committed to the continued, full, and effective implementation for the nuclear deal.”
President Trump didn't "end the accord". He simply took the USA out of the arrangement. The EU, or Cameroon, or the Vatican are welcome to continue abiding by whatever accord they want with regards to Iran. Of course, it doesn't matter what they do.

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69 Comments:

Blogger Rick May 10, 2018 7:31 AM  

Do they think their whining will make Trump rejoin?
What is the point of this whining?

Blogger L' Aristokrato May 10, 2018 7:37 AM  

The EU can't die soon enough. Preferably in a fashion that involves guillotines.

Blogger Long Live The West May 10, 2018 7:40 AM  

Gotta love their logic here. If it threatens the security of the region and Europe, then let the people of that region and Europe make their own deal. Why should a country on the other side of the globe foot the bill? Oh wait... that's right. We're the EU's wallet.

Why are we in the EU again?

Blogger McChuck May 10, 2018 7:44 AM  

"As long as Iran continues to implement its nuclear-related commitments as it is doing so far the European union will remain committed to the continued, full, and effective implementation for the nuclear deal."

That's the key, right there. Especially as Iran has openly admitted that they're cheating. Europe is selling Iran the rope that they'll be hanged with tomorrow.

Blogger tz May 10, 2018 7:51 AM  

Paris Accord, check.
Iran "deal", check.
NAFTA, pending.
Obamacare, death throes.
Unfair trade with China, etc., pending.
Recind DACA, pending (courts).
Jerusalem Embassy (congress passed, every president delayed), check.

Note in most cases Trump didn't unilateraly withdraw (which he could do since Obama didn't bother to get actual treaties, and in the case of NAFTA initiated the process). He said we need to fix these deals, and gave them months or years to do so. They didn't. None of these are unexpected.

I don't have a problem with Trump, but he is the opposite of the cuckservatives we've had. The Cucks would propose great promises then never follow through and implement them and I have to keep pointing out liars, traitors, betrayers etc. are NOT good, principled people. Trump is doing a few things I would rather he not, but for all his foibles, he is keeping his promises and acting as a man of honor I would only have expected from Ron or Rand Paul. And likely even more effectively as he knows how to get his deals through.

Blogger basementhomebrewer May 10, 2018 7:52 AM  

Oops, made a mistake there bringing up the Korean Peninsula. Us little people might put 2 and 2 together and figure out that Trumps actions are at least partially motivated by sending a message to NK. "No more pretending to abide by the rules."

Blogger tz May 10, 2018 7:54 AM  

It is not so much Eu as Dis, as in the 6th circle of Hell.
Dysgenic, Dyscivic, Dysphoric.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 10, 2018 7:54 AM  

you notice how the Globalists keep instituting these non-Treaty "Treaties" and "Accords", etc and claiming that they "can't be ended"?

funny how all that works.

it's almost like the Inexorable Forces of History were just the ravings of a 19th century madman.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 10, 2018 7:56 AM  

OT: Think you'll be showing up with Molyneux again anytime soon?

Blogger Robert Browning May 10, 2018 7:59 AM  

Every single achievement of Obama, Trump wants to destroy. Trump has not forgotten that dinner where Obama insulted Trump right to his face.

Blogger VD May 10, 2018 7:59 AM  

OT: Think you'll be showing up with Molyneux again anytime soon?

Nothing scheduled. No idea.

Blogger Dire Badger May 10, 2018 7:59 AM  

I honestly have no idea how to react to the first politician I have ever seen, in my entire life, that is actually serious about keeping his campaign promises.

I mean, I was on the Trump Train before there was even a Train. Heck, I tied my fortune to his, and got quite a bit of money betting on him in both the primary and the election, and I have been one of his most aggressively loudmouthed supporters, But I still expected him to be a politician in the end.

Honor? Faithfulness? Honesty? From a president? Call me a cultist now. I will NOT hear someone speak ill of him now. It is creepy, I have never 'felt' loyal to someone before, and it feels... weird.

Blogger Rick May 10, 2018 8:01 AM  

What’s Trump trying to do?
Break up the EU!?!

heh

Prediction: France gets out next.

Blogger Desdichado May 10, 2018 8:06 AM  

@13: Nah, Poland or Hungary is on deck. The EU's even threatening (bluffing, but still) to throw them out. More likely they'll try to sanction them, and then they'll just bail.

Blogger John Best May 10, 2018 8:10 AM  

Trump showing how useless the EU is again, nice work.

Blogger Shimshon May 10, 2018 8:16 AM  

My cousins are invitees to the embassy move celebration. That's one party I wish I could attend.

Blogger JACIII May 10, 2018 8:17 AM  

The EU just announced to the world it is a paper tiger. Pathetic. So dies the EU Globalist bid to stand on the world stage with the Russia, China, USA.

"Get lost, kid. You bother me."

Blogger Dexter May 10, 2018 8:17 AM  

Point of the whining is to put support Democrats here who say Trump should not have pulled out.

Blogger dh May 10, 2018 8:23 AM  

If Iran keeps the deal with the EU/China/Russia, an endures the US sanctions nonetheless, it's literally bold-faced underlined proof that the original deal was too generous towards Iran.

Blogger John Best May 10, 2018 8:24 AM  

@17 the world already knew this. Even Britain and Turkey an slap it around, for Trump and the US it is only a positive, the EU can't survive without US support anyway. The sooner it breaks up the better.

Blogger Avalanche May 10, 2018 8:27 AM  

Maybe this sets a nice pattern to force NAFTA into a better design?

"That mentally ill president is actually DOING stuff we pretend can't be done! Maybe if we shriek at him out the asylum windows, he'll quit?"

Blogger SDaly May 10, 2018 8:28 AM  

Merkel just announced that Europe cannot rely upon the U.S. to protect it anymore. Wasn't that supposed to be a partnership? Were Americans ever asked if they wanted to protect Europe indefinitely?

Because "Europe" does not have the will or political ability to take even the most basic steps to protect itself, it will be looking for another sugar daddy soon, though.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 10, 2018 8:35 AM  

SDaly wrote:Because "Europe" does not have the will or political ability to take even the most basic steps to protect itself, it will be looking for another sugar daddy soon, though.

Russia? China? Maybe Pakistan or India? I'm not sure any of them want to be sugar daddies, though. A competent empire gets tribute from its vassel states, unlike the US. Incompetent Uncle Sugar is going to be hard to replace.

Blogger James Dixon May 10, 2018 8:39 AM  

> which is not a treaty and from which the God-Emperor clearly had the ability to withdraw unilaterally.

It's not even a binding agreement. Iran never signed it.

Blogger Rick May 10, 2018 8:40 AM  

I think there was more to that recent visit of Marcon to the WH.

I think Marcon came to try to convince Trump to stay in.

And either Trump said simply, “We’ll see.” Which coming from alpha means “You’ll see.”

Or

Trump made a sincere offer to Marcon to “Join us. Don’t be a sucker left holding the bag.”

Plus, if Q is right, and Trump discovered the Iran deal’s role benefits only the cabal and its willing memebers, as POTUS, Trump has to get out before he brings the hammer down. So, if true, it was an offer to Marcon and a friendly warning.

A theory.

Blogger Some Guy May 10, 2018 8:40 AM  

And the next day, all the Iranian infrastructure in Syria has been bombed. Trump isn't playing around and I think the insiders are actually getting scared. Israel may not be in the best shape for a war, but she can more than handle Iran if it comes down to it. It just won't be a lopsided fight like the last few wars. Should be a good show though.

Blogger justthinkin May 10, 2018 8:41 AM  

The sanctions he is implementing will affect EU countries who sell to Iran. I guess we'll see just how committed they are.

Blogger Nathan Bissonette May 10, 2018 8:44 AM  

Perfect softball for Trump to belt over the fence: The EU backs Iran, the US imposes sanctions on EU member nations including withdrawing from NATO, which allows us to remove our troops from their borders and bringing our troops home to guard our own border.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 10, 2018 8:47 AM  

justthinkin wrote:The sanctions he is implementing will affect EU countries who sell to Iran. I guess we'll see just how committed they are.

Sanctions against the EU? Cool! Let's make sure they incclude closing all the US military bases there. Let's make that the first step, in fact.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 10, 2018 8:52 AM  

Nathan Bissonette wrote:Perfect softball for Trump to belt over the fence: The EU backs Iran, the US imposes sanctions on EU member nations including withdrawing from NATO, which allows us to remove our troops from their borders and bringing our troops home to guard our own border.

That would not be popular with our military. They have long enjoyed their busman's holidays in Europe, with good beer and cheap Mercedes, all at our expense, all for the Europeans' benefit.

Blogger Johnny May 10, 2018 8:53 AM  

>>Merkel just announced that Europe cannot rely upon the U.S. to protect it anymore.

Good thing.

To ask a semi serious question, what is it about the political class that causes so many of them to be so given to appeasement?

Blogger Lazarus May 10, 2018 8:57 AM  

To ask a semi serious question, what is it about the political class that causes so many of them to be so given to appeasement?

Cash

Blogger Jamie-R May 10, 2018 9:10 AM  

I noticed with all this drama revolving around April/May & culminating with the Iran deal severing, that guys like Corsi have started ripping into Qanon, it was after he said something about people making dough off the Qanon work, but I think there's a bit more to it as well. Q hinted at rogue regimes with nukes, & how they protect bad actors around the world, particularly billionaires linked to them. It wasn't long after that I saw Q getting bashed by people previously interested in the posts. I think it's worth considering that yes, Israel & the Jewish Diaspora may have differing goals & views on how to solve world issues, but I also think guys like Soros are being protected, because there's enough evidence when I look around to pin this guy for human trafficking & have him in an international court. Someone's protecting pos like that & it can only be a nation-state, with its military and intelligence capabilities to put whatever courts off.

The early 20th century points to a lot of mafia-like activity in America's NYC & handing a nation-state to people that work that way shouldn't surprise anyone that it becomes a protection racket for the ones with the clout internationally.

Blogger Hammerli280 May 10, 2018 9:27 AM  

@30: I hate to break it to you, but it's not 1988. We have only token forces in Europe. Everything got painted desert tan and sent off to the Middle East.

Blogger James Dixon May 10, 2018 9:30 AM  

> Sanctions against the EU? Cool! Let's make sure they incclude closing all the US military bases there.

Sounds like a good idea, yes.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 10, 2018 9:45 AM  

Anyone know if Hezbollah still have a massive arsenal of 122 mm rockets in Lebanon, or has their stockpile been depleted and possibly reallocated to the fighting in Syria?

Blogger SB Wright May 10, 2018 9:46 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:SDaly wrote:Because "Europe" does not have the will or political ability to take even the most basic steps to protect itself, it will be looking for another sugar daddy soon, though.

Russia? China? Maybe Pakistan or India? I'm not sure any of them want to be sugar daddies, though. A competent empire gets tribute from its vassel states, unlike the US. Incompetent Uncle Sugar is going to be hard to replace.


How many people in the US today realize it is an empire? How many people in the US balk at the idea that immigration policy should benefit Americans first and foremost? I bet more people in the second group know the US is some kind of empire, and until very recently, they are the ones who mattered.

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 10, 2018 9:56 AM  

It would be funny to move Africa command to Africa. No more holiday at all, just some pestilential hell-hole with diseased hookers and begging children in the streets.

Blogger Jack Aubrey May 10, 2018 10:05 AM  

One does not simply tell the God-Emperor what he can and cannot do.

Blogger English Tom May 10, 2018 10:21 AM  

Noah

Allegedly the Iranians transferred missile building factories into Syria. The main threat would appear to be SRBM's and other ballistic missiles.

Blogger wreckage May 10, 2018 10:22 AM  

@27, @28, really? They just.... gave him that? They just handed that over to him. "Hey Trump, if you don't do what we say, we'll also give you the opportunity to sanction us, make us look like pricks, and play the strong man for your domestic audience!"

It is glorious, and I am basking; and I am basking in the glory.
It just keeps getting better and better.

Blogger English Tom May 10, 2018 10:23 AM  

Brick

You forgot to mention a steady supply of juju beads.

Blogger pyrrhus May 10, 2018 10:32 AM  

Iran already got away with all the cash, including the pallet loads dropped by Obama, so it has all the benefits of the deal...Anyone who has issues with US sanctions will simply trade through China, Russia, or the EU...That includes Israeli companies, for the naive in the audience.

Blogger pyrrhus May 10, 2018 10:39 AM  

But if this move accelerates the breakup of the EU, it will be worth it, despite the harm to American business.

Blogger DBSFF May 10, 2018 10:46 AM  

Do what EU wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2018 10:53 AM  

SDaly wrote:Merkel just announced that Europe cannot rely upon the U.S. to protect it anymore.
Germany wants a European army, made up of the residents of their European colonies and commanded by Germans.
They've ALWAYS wanted that.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 10, 2018 11:03 AM  

Weapons of mass destruction.

Ignoring UN resolutions.

Sounds like the USA needs invading.

Oh, wait! ...

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2018 11:11 AM  

The EU was designed to be an unaccountable, non-democratic, international bureaucracy. Of course its going to insist that Trump has no authority to withdraw from the agreement, the EU bureaucrats are not interested in the subtleties of the US constitution. Such things are irrelevant to them. Also, the Iran agreement was always about allowing business to be done with Iran and funneling billions and billions of dollars to Russia.

Blogger veryfunnyminion May 10, 2018 11:22 AM  

"Of course, it doesn't matter what they do."

Heh, that's prolly the part that really gauls them the most and got them all caterwauling.

Blogger Jack Amok May 10, 2018 11:41 AM  

it's not 1988. We have only token forces in Europe. Everything got painted desert tan and sent off to the Middle East.

Yep. "European vacations" for our military these days too often mean stays at Landstuhl to be pieced back together after getting blown up by an IED in some ME shithole.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 10, 2018 11:54 AM  

Jamie-R wrote: Q hinted at rogue regimes with nukes, & how they protect bad actors around the world, particularly billionaires linked to them. It wasn't long after that I saw Q getting bashed by people previously interested in the posts. I think it's worth considering that yes, Israel & the Jewish Diaspora may have differing goals & views on how to solve world issues, but I also think guys like Soros are being protected, because there's enough evidence when I look around to pin this guy for human trafficking & have him in an international court.

The early 20th century points to a lot of mafia-like activity in America's NYC & handing a nation-state to people that work that way shouldn't surprise anyone that it becomes a protection racket for the ones with the clout internationally.



Oh my, you just went literally Hitler 1925. How can you even live with so much hateful insanity in your heart?:

"When the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the new national consciousness of the Jews will be satisfied by the establishment of a Jewish State in Palestine, the Jews thereby adopt another means to dupe the simple-minded Gentile.
They have not the slightest intention of building up a Jewish State in Palestine so as to live in it.
What they really are aiming at is to establish a central organization for their international swindling and cheating.
As a sovereign State, this cannot be controlled by any of the other States.
Therefore it can serve as a refuge for swindlers who have been found out and at the same time a high-school for the training of other swindlers."

Look at that, the mass slaughter of gentiles based on lies, memorialized as WW2 & the Holyhoax, gave them just the excuse they needed.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 10, 2018 12:33 PM  

Ron

True but it was designed that way by the imperial American ruling class so you have to keep a sense of humor about it all.

I tend to the conclusion it’s all theatre anyway. It’s not like pretend opposition is a new role for these numpties

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 10, 2018 1:05 PM  

If the USA and Iran go to war against each other, we all know the Who's will claim to be the real sufferers.

Blogger jdgalt May 10, 2018 1:56 PM  

Why doesn't it matter what Europe does? I don't see US sanctions hurting the mullahs much if Europe, Russia, and China go on buying Iranian oil. Isn't that the point?

Blogger DonReynolds May 10, 2018 2:25 PM  

It is ironic for the EU to suggest that the president of the United States lacks the lawful authority to terminate an agreement that the previous president (alone) signed. What one US president can do, another can do (or undo). It is ironic for the EU to bray about the US president lacking authority when they are notorious for abusing executive supra-national authority, without being elected by anybody. More to the point, when it does come to a vote, the EU has a very disappointing track record....see Ireland (where the national constitution required it) and the UK (which they did not believe they could lose).

The FACT that an "international agreement" was adopted by the UN, or any other country or group of countries in the world, does not create an obligation on the part of the United States to remain a party to the agreement. They did not negotiate the agreement in the first place and saying MeToo does not lock the US into a really rotten deal. They are perfectly free to continue with the deal arranged by Obama-Kerry-Clinton with zero interference from the USA.

Yes, Vox is correct.

Blogger DonReynolds May 10, 2018 2:37 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:SDaly wrote:Merkel just announced that Europe cannot rely upon the U.S. to protect it anymore.

Germany wants a European army, made up of the residents of their European colonies and commanded by Germans.

They've ALWAYS wanted that.


WE have already seen what a Pan-European military looks like, it was commanded by the Germans and was called the Waffen SS.

Before that, the last Pan-European army, consisting of 500k soldiers and a dozen tongues, was marched into Russia by Emperor Napoleon. (Funny how these Pan-European armies end up invading Russia, communist or not.) Both Pan-European armies were pretty much wiped by the end of the war...and war is inevitable whenever they piece together yet another Pan-European army, commanded by the Germans or the French.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 2:45 PM  

@22

"Because "Europe" does not have the will or political ability to take even the most basic steps to protect itself, it will be looking for another sugar daddy soon, though."

Now that Russia is no longer Communist, it would be a good thing for the EU political class to get a huge dose of tough love from Putin.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 2:45 PM  

Remember, Putin ran as a populist.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:06 PM  

@29

"Sanctions against the EU? Cool! Let's make sure they incclude closing all the US military bases there. Let's make that the first step, in fact."

And NO paying upgrading (and paying for it) the facilities before leaving, like we did before shutting down so many of the bases in Germany.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:09 PM  

@30

"That would not be popular with our military. They have long enjoyed their busman's holidays in Europe, with good beer and cheap Mercedes, all at our expense, all for the Europeans' benefit."

The Army has mostly been weaned off of that. The vast majority of USMC overseas duty that isn't embassy related is in the Pacific, very little in Europe.

US Navy ports of call will change little or not at all. They might lose a little bit of shore duty over there.

The real whiners will be the USAF.
But they whine if nobody puts a chocolate on their pillow while they were on duty.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:10 PM  

@31

"To ask a semi serious question, what is it about the political class that causes so many of them to be so given to appeasement?"

The plutocrats who give them the money to run for office deliberately pick cowards.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:33 PM  

@48

" Also, the Iran agreement was always about allowing business to be done with Iran and funneling billions and billions of dollars to Russia."

That doesn't make any sense. The people pushing the Iran deal ABHOR Russia

... for nationalism
... for anti-homosexualism
... for anti-Jihadism
... for not taking "refugees"
... for opposing the Ukraine coup
... for taking back Crimea

I'm sure there are other reasons to add which I can't recall at the moment.

No, the purpose isn't to funnel money into Russia, it's to funnel American money into Iran....and also funnel money OUT of Iran to various EU technical and heavy equipment vendors (like those German centrifuges that were being destroyed by Stuxnet).

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:35 PM  

@50

"Yep. "European vacations" for our military these days too often mean stays at Landstuhl to be pieced back together after getting blown up by an IED in some ME shithole."

NATO duty is now mostly in UK (for USAF) and Poland & Ukraine (US Army). USN has people on shore duty all over the place. Would probably be there even without NATO.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:37 PM  

@53

"If the USA and Iran go to war against each other, we all know the Who's will claim to be the real sufferers."

Abbos?

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:38 PM  

@54

"Why doesn't it matter what Europe does? I don't see US sanctions hurting the mullahs much if Europe, Russia, and China go on buying Iranian oil. Isn't that the point?"

They won't be happy unless the U.S. is throwing money at Iran 10x faster then they are.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 10, 2018 3:43 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:"Why doesn't it matter what Europe does? I don't see US sanctions hurting the mullahs much if Europe, Russia, and China go on buying Iranian oil. Isn't that the point?"

If we sanction the rest of the world, we get to reduce our trade deficit to zero. As VD was stressing a while back, that bumps GDP substantially as a first effect. It hurts the rest of the world a lot more than it hurts us.

Blogger Xellos May 10, 2018 4:43 PM  

Breaking news: EUSSR cucks still pretend they have the right to dictate foreign policy to sovereign states.

Blogger Jack Amok May 10, 2018 11:21 PM  

It is ironic for the EU to suggest that the president of the United States lacks the lawful authority...

Don, you could replace "the EU" with "liberal judges" and it would be just as true. Astonishing how brazen these people are, and how pathetic the cuckservative enablers are who let them do it.

Blogger DonReynolds May 11, 2018 12:04 AM  

@68 Jack Amok
Absolutely correct.
The hubris is breathtaking.
A Federal judge has a limited jurisdiction in a given state until he decides to overrule or reverse the entire Executive branch of government, not just in the USA, but throughout the entire world.....but the president lacks legal authority to do anything that Obama has already done, and often Bush and Clinton too.

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