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Tuesday, May 01, 2018

EXCERPT: SJWS Always Double Down

This excerpt from SJWS ALWAYS DOUBLE DOWN seems appropos, considering the recent topics:

What, precisely, is a Gamma male, how do they behave, and what is the connection to the social justice cause? First, let’s consider the attributes of the average Gamma male.
  • Less physically attractive than the norm.
  • More intelligent than the norm.
  • Unathletic, often overweight.
  • Socially awkward and resentful of social hierarchies.
  • Generally unsuccessful with women.
  • Passive-aggressive and conflict-avoidant.
  • Verbally-oriented and prone to snark.
  • Disloyal and socially calculating.
  • Deceitful and disrespectful.
Of all these attributes, it is the latter that is the most important. One can go so far as to say that the chief attribute of the Gamma male is the relentless ability to lie to himself and others.

If you want an ideal example of a Gamma male, it would be hard to do better than Pajama Boy, the literal poster boy for the young liberal Democrats, who was featured in one of the famous Obamacare ads drinking hot chocolate and wearing a red plaid pajamas with a smug look on his extraordinarily punchable face. Pajama Boy’s real name is Ethan Krupp, and he prides himself on being what he calls a “Liberal F—”, which he explains is not a Democrat per se, but rather, “someone who combines political data and theory, extreme leftist views and sarcasm to win any argument while making the opponents feel terrible about themselves.”

In other words, a Krupp is a textbook social justice warrior. The two concepts are not synonymous, and yet there is a tremendous overlap between the SJW and the Gamma male.

Later in the same interview, Krupp went on to say that he has never lost an argument, except once, and then only because he was drunk. Even if we didn’t know what Krupp looked like or what views he espouses, this ludicrous claim would be sufficient to identify him as a Gamma.

Krupp’s statement about himself is tremendously valuable insight into the Gamma mentality, and even demonstrates why women tend to find them off-putting. Krupp claims he combines ideas, opinions, and a tone to both win an argument and cause feelbad. But the truth is that to the Gamma, the two are one and the same. The Gamma’s victory metric is simple: whoever can cause the other individual to feel worse about himself wins. This explains why the Gamma is constantly pretending to be above it all and unconcerned with the outcome even when everyone can see that he is horribly upset and wounded.

The Gamma believes that if he admits to the truth of his own feelings, he will lose. This is why he is always creating the impression that something is off about him, because it is. Even more than with the social hierarchy, the Gamma is at war with himself and with his feelings. This is why they often appear to be living in a delusion bubble of their own creation, and why they so often idolize Spock and human reason. They like to think they are beyond all human emotions, because they find their own emotions to be painful for the reasons that were described above....

If a Gamma is wrong, then he sees himself as being wrong. His very life is wrong. It’s all personal to him. He holds everything against everyone forever, except for that girl on the pedestal, and conversely, expects everyone to hold everything against him forever. It’s a sad and horrible way to live, but if you watch and learn, Gammas are very predictable and keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

Gammas don’t believe in failure, repentance, or forgiveness. That is why they never learn from their mistakes, or anyone else’s.

A Gamma is prone to psychological projection and naturally puts himself in other people’s shoes when it comes to conflict and imagines how he would feel in their place. This is true for both reconciliation and conflict. It is why what he thinks is required for reconciliation is usually out of touch with reality, and why he thinks attacks on other’s feelings are much more effective than they really are.

A Gamma constantly relives adolescent shame, bullying and emotional issues. He likes nothing better than to publicly shame and mock those who he is angry with (except the girl on the pedestal) to the point of losing sight of any other goal he had in mind. If you can imagine the awkward boy on the playground being danced around and called names by the others, then how that boy would treat people when he is a man, and you will begin to understand how they treat others with whom they are angry.

He is a coward and will readily abandon almost everything to save his skin, and the fact of his cowardice gnaws on him internally. Being narcissistically inclined, he is unable to imagine other people not being secret cowards, so he will often talk of being brave while simultaneously accusing others of being cowardly. This, again, is pure projection.

All of this negative, self-destructive behavior ends up sabotaging relationships for the Gamma, including his friends, his family, his coworkers, and even his own children. The recognition of the poor quality of these relationships are not lost on the Gamma, and he will often feel a deep sense of personal disgrace about his behavior. However, since he cannot admit to being wrong, he is trapped in a self-made hell.

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64 Comments:

Blogger Matt May 01, 2018 8:39 PM  

Gamma and Omega share many qualities, it seems.

Blogger James May 01, 2018 8:42 PM  

I never knew pajama boy's name. I thought he was just some stock photo model in a catalogue. But, I would have bet that he was a homo just from the way he sat and held his cocoa. So, did he ever address the fact that so many people thought he was the epitome of a girly man? That seems like hearing that would definitely have hacked his amygdala.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 01, 2018 8:46 PM  

Not just off-putting to women, but downright repellent. We are actually physically repelled by men like this, even if we can't always put into words exactly why.

Blogger ace May 01, 2018 8:47 PM  

For /pol/ approved fun, copy and replace "Jew" for Gamma.

Blogger Bullitt315 May 01, 2018 8:56 PM  

Gamma Male is the one word that I wish I could use without having to explain it. It explains so much and no one knows it. I wonder if it will catch on with the media like alpha and beta did 5 years after the game blogs started using them.

Blogger DJ | AMDG May 01, 2018 8:57 PM  

It’s uncanny how JP describes this exact person in 12 Rules. UNCANNY!!!

Blogger Eze Garcés May 01, 2018 9:02 PM  

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RJxoXU9TOAM/UrNy6hBN9qI/AAAAAAAAPW4/4NRSD8Soa3s/s1600/BaG03ItCAAAJVUQ-550x412.png

Blogger Dire Badger May 01, 2018 9:07 PM  

Speaking of SJW's...Man, Z-Man is getting nuttier and Nuttier. Now he claims model railroading fans exist only to virtue signal, and that the alt-right has ceased to exist because it has run out of enemies to fight.

I am just about to ditch him like Taki's.

Blogger dtungsten May 01, 2018 9:19 PM  

I remember reading this in the book, and thinking how those bullet points kind of fit me.

Until I got to the last two.

Blogger Dire Badger May 01, 2018 9:53 PM  

It's times like these that I am glad I am a sociopath.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams May 01, 2018 10:18 PM  

My elderly father, lifelong railfan, will be shocked to hear this.

Blogger English Tom May 01, 2018 10:25 PM  

Let's hope it doesn't send him off the rails.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams May 01, 2018 10:27 PM  

I see what you did there.

He's safe because he stays off the internet.

Blogger Iron Spartan May 01, 2018 10:28 PM  

I don't believe that the average gamma is more intelligent than average. They believe they are, and that belief tends to be rooted in the memorization of some form of obscure trivia rather than any application of logic, reason, or problem solving.

Blogger Lazarus May 01, 2018 10:30 PM  

I find most human interactions either amusing or appalling. But I know it is not about me, so just ignore that, and carry on with your Gamma bashing. I find it both amusing AND appalling.

A Fusion Frisson, so to speak.


Yum Yum






















Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 01, 2018 10:38 PM  

But OT how about this McConnell-Chao-China love triangle. Holy shit I knew McConnell was a traitor but damn.

Blogger Lazarus May 01, 2018 10:42 PM  

But OT how about this McConnell-Chao-China love triangle. Holy shit I knew McConnell was a traitor but damn.

AND....it probably only took one blow job.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 01, 2018 10:43 PM  

Now there's a vivid thought.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 01, 2018 10:54 PM  

Psychology is a pseudo-science. There is nothing
Provable about it. Psychological profiling goes back to Hippocrates Four Humours. It's never been improved upon only gooked up. The profile above covers about everything, a few things are bound to be right. It's like palm reading.

Anonymous Anonymous May 01, 2018 10:59 PM  

VD,

I'd buy a book on predicting and dealing with gammas. I've managed a lot of them and comparing notes/ learning new tips would be bad ass.

--NH

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 01, 2018 11:02 PM  

A Gamma constantly relives adolescent shame, bullying and emotional issues. He likes nothing better than to publicly shame and mock those who he is angry with (except the girl on the pedestal) to the point of losing sight of any other goal he had in mind.

Prime example, the very weird diversion in John Scalzi's Old Man's War.

Specifically the scene where an Army Captain in the Scalzi Space Army of Geriatric Perverts with New Bodies, suddenly and inexplicably tears into one guy for the crime of being a probably having been a Marine Corps Sergeant.

That rant was so odd and out of nowhere it took me right out the story. It was quite the diatribe. You could almost see that Captain's face turn purple while he jumped up and down.

Scalzi clearly had some long hated enemy tied to a chair and was giving him the "what for."

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 01, 2018 11:03 PM  

Is this psychology?

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 01, 2018 11:53 PM  

The whole pharmaceutical scam about chemical imbalances goes back to Hippocrates. There truly is nothing knew under the sun.

Blogger Jack Amok May 02, 2018 12:06 AM  

Gamma Male is the one word that I wish I could use without having to explain it. It explains so much and no one knows it.

People don't know the word, but they know the concept. It's built into our socialization matrix (well, the neuro-typicals anyway). When I was a kid, we called 'em dweebs and dorks. A generation or two before that I think they were called wimps. Possibly eighty years ago the were called "pansies" though there was overlap with homos (at least the catcher type of homo).

Two hundred years ago they might have been called a squab.

We've always known how to recognize them, just like we've always known how to recognize pedos, homos and psychos. Only us moderns are supposed to pretend to be too sophisticated to notice.

Blogger jb May 02, 2018 12:08 AM  

"All of this negative, self-destructive behavior ends up sabotaging relationships for the Gamma, including his friends, his family, his coworkers, and even his own children. The recognition of the poor quality of these relationships are not lost on the Gamma, and he will often feel a deep sense of personal disgrace about his behavior. However, since he cannot admit to All of this negative, self-destructive behavior ends up sabotaging relationships for the Gamma, including his friends, his family, his coworkers, and even his own children. The recognition of the poor quality of these relationships are not lost on the Gamma, and he will often feel a deep sense of personal disgrace about his behavior. However, since he cannot admit to All of this negative, self-destructive behavior ends up sabotaging relationships for the Gamma, including his friends, his family, his coworkers, and even his own children. The recognition of the poor quality of these relationships are not lost on the Gamma, and he will often feel a deep sense of personal disgrace about his behavior. However, since he cannot admit to being wrong, he is trapped in a self-made hell."

In a nutshell.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 12:17 AM  

What's the normal scientific chemical balance?
Must be some ratio of something? Or maybe some people don't act the way we think they should act as "normal" people. Not that there aren't insane people.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel May 02, 2018 12:28 AM  

Do SJW's even have minds of their own? No, they are just trained dogs.

Just as dogs keep barking when ordered to, same thing with SJW's.

No agency.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 02, 2018 12:33 AM  

Nell, are all people supposed to act the same, and if different personality types manifest, that is chemical imbalance?

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 12:41 AM  

People are not supposed to act the same, but there are societal norms. If I am an introvert in a predominantly extrovert community, do I have a chemical imbalance? No I'm just different. Don't drug me up.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 12:44 AM  

Screw whiplash. He has a chemical imbalance and is a Vox Day sycophant. Ha.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2018 12:44 AM  

Speak of gammas and along comes our favorite.
Does commenting here make your palms sweaty Rambam? Or is that not sweat?

Blogger weka May 02, 2018 12:51 AM  

Go to a Crossfit box and lift something. You need to learn your limitations.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 12:53 AM  

The gamma false paradigm once again. Let's go through the list.
I'm very physically attreactive. I'm athletic.
Very loyal. Not deceitful. Respectful.
I think you guys just assume everyone is a gamma because under your system gammas are BAD. But you really don't know what you are talking about.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 12:59 AM  

Most people on prescription psychotic drugs are not schizophrenics. Geez. They give drugs to people that have to put up with insane people running everything.

Blogger weka May 02, 2018 1:00 AM  

Wrong paradigm. Better is functional neural network changes manipulated by synapse reconstruction mediates by BDNF, and our pharmaceutical s manipulate BDNF / neural plaaplasti.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 1:10 AM  

@40
I used to talk like that when I was on medication. I get the joke.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 02, 2018 1:13 AM  

Neal, you just showed up here. You have no idea what you're talking about. We don't assume everyone is a Gamma. You don't even know the socio-sexual hierarchy Vox has observed and classified.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 1:14 AM  

Thanks for the dialogue. But once your supreme leader gets his lazy as out of bed, all this will be deleted. One last FU to Whiplash.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 02, 2018 1:19 AM  

Ok whatever

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2018 1:31 AM  

Because his inchoate gamma rage will NOT let him walk away. The terror of facing himself honestly eats at his guts.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 1:33 AM  

@45 Dipshit
Your always right. Remember that. Jackass.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 1:34 AM  

Gammas coming after you all. Gamma rage gonna run amok.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 1:40 AM  

You can't stop the gammas. The gammas are too many and you are too few. Our strength is in numbers. You will succumb you greek alphabet aholes.

Blogger Francis The Pope May 02, 2018 1:53 AM  

The thing is that I don't see this disdain for the other greek letter classifications happening amongst the black or jewish community. I see zero advantages by trying to make white interests into a jocks vs nerds thing, it is a dead end politically.

I am certainly not a SJW, and I am certainly pro white interests, but I am also not the alpha male type that have all the girls swooning over them, where does that leave me?

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 02, 2018 2:11 AM  

The whole psycho-social paradigm is a fraud. Seek God. See people as created in the image of God. Study the bible, seek the truth, be hesitant in rendering judgement. Prayer is of the utmost importance. Communion with God is what Christianity is all about. That the God of the universe wants to commune with his creation
Is it the utmost significance.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2018 3:15 AM  

I hate it when (((fakers))) tell me about my religion.

Blogger YclepedBobAli May 02, 2018 3:24 AM  

Vox I know people hate the Gamma argument. I also know you hate it if guys ask if 'they're Gammas'. But I'm curious.

Is it possible for Gamma's to stop being Gammas? Is the only choice for a Gamma to do what Peterson has done and form heuristics to protect themselves? If they become committed Christians can they exceed their Gamma boundaries or will they simply be Gamma Christians? If they adopt existential relativism per Peterson, will that ever graduate them to Betas, or is always going to be social masking?

Also in trying to generalise from your list of qualities, is it a combination of intelligence plus poor social skills plus generalised low self-esteem? So by that I mean, can socially adroit, physically attractive, plain-speaking men who are good with women still be gamma if they have low self-esteem deriving from some source like a traumatic life event or bad brain biology? If Pyjama boy was able to derive a sense of humility and self-esteem that wasn't at the expense of others could he stop being a Gamma?

I know a lot of men who are very impressive men, resilient, accomplished, educated, self-confident, but in marriages to women who utterly dominate them in the household with abuse and passive aggression. Are they Gammas because of their inability to exercise dominion over their wives despite all their external accomplishments?

What would be the big five personality traits that map onto Gamma qualities?

I apologise if these are all stupid questions. I know you hate people asking if they're Gammas. I'll freely admit I'm trying to apply the model to myself a bit, but I'm also trying to understand it's general operation. Feel free to tell me piss off.

Your darkstream on Peterson was funny as hell. So entertaining.

Blogger szopen May 02, 2018 3:37 AM  

Francis The Pope wrote:
I am certainly not a SJW, and I am certainly pro white interests, but I am also not the alpha male type that have all the girls swooning over them, where does that leave me?


Delta or beta.

Which is OK, IMO. The civilisation is built by deltas.

Blogger great_o'rety May 02, 2018 3:41 AM  

Believe me, they are. You need intelligence to be delusional. A moron won't be able to do anything with false premises.

Blogger Tanjil Bren May 02, 2018 4:00 AM  

"Is it possible for Gamma's to stop being Gammas?"
I recall that Vox has already said he believes it is.
Which makes sense.
Do not do as Gamma does.
Be Gamma no more.

Blogger FrankNorman May 02, 2018 5:31 AM  


Is it possible for Gamma's to stop being Gammas? Is the only choice for a Gamma to do what Peterson has done and form heuristics to protect themselves? If they become committed Christians can they exceed their Gamma boundaries or will they simply be Gamma Christians?


Since becoming a Christian involves repentance and forgiveness, things that Gammas are not supposed to be able to believe in, the question is whether a Gamma can become a sincere believer at all, and still remain a Gamma.

Blogger elad sputnik May 02, 2018 5:50 AM  

Tanjil Bren wrote:"Is it possible for Gamma's to stop being Gammas?"

It takes a lot of learning, determination, and pain. It takes constant vigilance against rationalizations and self deceit. It takes ruthless introspection and at the same time humble self forgiveness. It is an exhausting grind but...

Once I got that first taste of winning there was no going back. I still have a long ways to go, but I know what the goal is now.

Thank you Vox for all you do, and BTW I dropped Peterson some time ago.

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers May 02, 2018 6:29 AM  

my experience with believing, is that the believer is given joy. Not happiness, joy. The soul knowledge that there's something after this, and I am a part of it. Suddenly a lot of gammaness goes away.
The other thing that believing is the Spirit led "taking every thought captive", which banishes the thoughts of inadequacy and the need to win.
That's been my experience, that and people like Mr. Day who are willing to lay it all out there.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 02, 2018 6:45 AM  

Nell Fenwick, being a Gamma, you are as predictable as the sun rising. I knew if I poked you long enough you'd go into Gamma Rage. And sure enough, you did.

Blogger wreckage May 02, 2018 7:27 AM  

Delta is where it's at. Delta is all. Alphas are useful, and a society without Alphas is at risk, but a society without Deltas is already disintegrating.

Blogger Peter Gent May 02, 2018 7:56 AM  

YclepedBobAli wrote:...If they become committed Christians can they exceed their Gamma boundaries or will they simply be Gamma Christians?
I would argue, that if you believe as I do, that God makes the choice (John 3:8 "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”), then a gamma can become a Christian.

From that point, what that gamma makes of his conversion runs the gamut as Paul noted in 1 Cor 3:9-15. Surely some succeed since Paul also notes that "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17.

There is hope in that newness, but discipleship is hard and lifelong, probably the hardest thing there is and the temptation to revert is everywhere.

Blogger Dire Badger May 02, 2018 10:30 AM  

VD-

Thank you for taking out the Garbage, the stink was starting to get all over everything.

Blogger R Webfoot May 02, 2018 10:40 AM  

"What would be the big five personality traits that map onto Gamma qualities?"

Neuroticism, neuroticism, neuroticism.

Blogger wreckage May 02, 2018 11:47 AM  

@45 I'd like to say low conscientiousness, but I think a lot of gammas are diligent in a very risk-averse kind of way. Certainly low extroversion often and low openness; although they like to talk about how creative and ideas-oriented they are. Low agreeableness wall-to-wall.

I imagine that higher conscientiousness, lower extroversion, higher openness, usually lower agreeableness, comparable neuroticism is Omega, introverts, and some autists. But I think Gammas score much higher on impulsivity, which of course, isn't big 5.

Blogger wired216 May 02, 2018 2:48 PM  

@41 I thought Nell was a woman?

Blogger Dave W. May 02, 2018 3:21 PM  

I'm not even a little bit surprised that Pajama Boy is as much of an arch-gamma as he appears to be. Sometimes appearances don't deceive.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2018 7:36 PM  

wired216 wrote:@41 I thought Nell was a woman?
Nell is Rambam, a Schroedinger's Jew who I called out for his gamma bullshit about a month ago. Like any gamma, he can't just take walk away, so he's fixated on me. That's why "Nell Fenwick." After a couple of days of his deceit and bullshit, Vox finally banned him, but he insists on coming back every day and shitting all over the place.

Blogger wreckage May 02, 2018 8:54 PM  

@48, that "arch smile" PJ boy has clearly practiced belongs only on the face of an attractive woman. It is a tell of infinite depth and breadth. His Gammaness is without mortal limit.

Blogger Nell Fenwick May 03, 2018 12:29 AM  

@49 S. Whiplash
I'm not Jewish. You're not as smart as you imagine. You smell like poop.

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