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Thursday, May 10, 2018

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Fellow Renegades of the Intellectual Dark Web. Today's Meme of the Day from the Daily Meme Wars.


Reason interviews I.D.W. member Harvey Weinstein:
Weinstein: So, first, let me just say, "Intellectual Dark Web" is a term coined by my older brother, Eric Weinstein, and it's a term that makes some people uncomfortable, including me a little bit, because the Dark Web itself is obviously a place where lots of stuff happens, some of which is perfectly horrifying….

 What Eric was saying in coining the term Intellectual Dark Web is really that this is an intellectually unpoliced space, that it is a space outside of what he calls the "gated institutional narrative," which are the stories that we are supposed to believe. It is a very interesting conversation precisely because nobody involved in it believes in those rules. In fact, I think everybody associated with the Intellectual Dark Web is sort of constitutionally resistant to being told what questions they're allowed to think about or what answers they might be allowed to advance. So, in any case, the idea of the Intellectual Dark Web is a space that is intellectually free, at a moment in which the mainstream intellectual space is increasingly constrained by things like what we were talking about before.

In terms of the association, there is a very clear focus amongst all of the folks who are associated with the Intellectual Dark Web about the free speech crisis or whatever the proper term for that would be if we were to re-figure it, right? There's a reason for that, which is that we're all people who would tend to be shut down by the mainstream that wish to maintain control over the narratives that are central to the way we govern ourselves and the way we interact. So it's not surprising that, A) people in the Intellectual Dark Web would be prone to being de-platformed, and B) that we would be particularly sensitive to the danger of ruling certain opinions beyond the pale.

 As for the political complexion of it, it isn't at all what people think, and this has been something that Heather and I have discovered in a very odd way. What happened to us at Evergreen felt and was almost literally like being kicked out of the political left. We had spent our entire lives [there], right? The left told us "You're not welcome anymore." In fact, you're not even left—you're right, or, you know, if it's really pissed at you, you're alt-right, or you're a darling of the alt-right. These are the things that were said.

None of this was true, right? I'm still as far left as I was before. I'm skeptical that the left knows what to do, I'm very skeptical of what the left advances in terms of policy proposals, but in terms of my values, they haven't changed at all. The interesting thing, though, is having been effectively evicted from the left, we ran into all sorts of other people who we thought might be a bit right of center, who it turned out were actually also left of center and had also been similarly evicted and then misportrayed. So there is a way in which everybody should think twice about why you expect the people are on the political spectrum where you think they are, because maybe they aren't. In each case, you ought to just check whether or not you think that for a good reason or you just think that because you've heard that somebody's over there.

The Intellectual Dark Web involves me, it involves Heather, it involves Eric. We're all left of center. It involves Jordan Peterson—he's a little bit right of center, but if you actually listen to him, there are certain topics on which he sounds downright conservative, and then there are other topics where he really doesn't. He's a little bit hard to peg.
Correction: Apparently that was left-wing Dark Web thought criminal Bret Weinstein, not left-wing Hollywood sex criminal Harvey Weinstein.

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43 Comments:

Blogger ReluctantMessiah May 10, 2018 9:04 AM  

"We're the IDW!"

SDL: That's cute

Blogger haus frau May 10, 2018 9:38 AM  

Lol yes thats exactly the mental image i had while reading that article yesterday.

Blogger OGRE May 10, 2018 10:04 AM  

brilliant

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 10, 2018 10:08 AM  

I like the rhetorical layers - the "hello fellow..." phrasing and NYT logo sink in after the original hit and make you look a bit longer.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 10, 2018 10:10 AM  

Meme magic achieved.

Blogger CarpeOro May 10, 2018 10:17 AM  

While I enjoy his acting, he does give an extra layer of creepiness to it.

Blogger Darwinite May 10, 2018 10:41 AM  

I thought the “dark web” name came from being blocked by Google/YouTube, since the dark web is anything you can’t find on Google. Apparently they’re not that smart.

Anonymous Anonymous May 10, 2018 10:45 AM  

That's a good one. This whole 'Intellectual Dark Web' thing merely casts into sharp relief just how desperate the Globalists are.

They could no longer ignore us. We didn't care if they laughed at us. Now they have to fight us.

They are doomed.

Ad Victoriam! DeoVindice! Ave Imperator Trump!

--ZhukovG

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2018 11:00 AM  

In fact, I think everybody associated with the Intellectual Dark Web is sort of constitutionally resistant to being told what questions they're allowed to think about or what answers they might be allowed to advance.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is why Shapiro is warning people off from appearing on Alex Jones' show, right?

Blogger VD May 10, 2018 11:05 AM  

This is why Shapiro is warning people off from appearing on Alex Jones' show, right?

And why Peterson deplatformed Faith Goldy. She didn't ask enough hard questions of the person interviewing her.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2018 11:10 AM  

"We're just free speech advocates, yo! We think the debate needs to be open to the full spectrum of legitimate opinion. All the way from Maoism to European Social Democracy."

Blogger wreckage May 10, 2018 11:12 AM  

Oh great. Now thoughtcrime is edgy and we're drowning in fucking hipsters.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 10, 2018 11:13 AM  

I'd like to see those questions.

Blogger lowercaseb May 10, 2018 11:23 AM  

I can't wait for those Dark Web Superstars t-shirts to hit Hot Topic!

Blogger FP May 10, 2018 11:34 AM  

"Oh great. Now thoughtcrime is edgy and we're drowning in fucking hipsters."

Thats just what we need, boomer hipsters. They will save the day!

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia May 10, 2018 11:39 AM  

"Reason" is useful, and Nick Gillespie is an OK guy for a PhD in English, but the direction their positions inevitably take them are highly highly HIGHLY problematic. That's why it's always intersting to read the comments by the acolytes, such as this one, that reveals it's absolutely fundamental flaw.

"I wish people would stop conflating postmodernism with "a belief that there is no objective reality." It's flabby thinking. How about a reference to a postmodern thinker who says that?. . .Our experience of reality is mediated by our thoughts. Postmodernism argues that thinking and language have a big effect on how we experience the world. The idea that there is no one worldview that is superior enough to be imposed on others is inherently a libertarian idea as well as a postmodern one."

Right. "No one world view superior to others." Good. We're sending the refugess from Somalia to YOUR neighborhood. Good luck with that.

Anonymous Anonymous May 10, 2018 11:45 AM  

Quasi-related: where does Peter Thiel fit into the current ideological landscape? Seems like no one left, moderate, alt-right, or (((right))) really claims him. Brought to mind considering that Eric Weinstein runs Thiel Capital...seems like Thiel might actually be a viable member of an "intellectual dark web".

Blogger Brett baker May 10, 2018 12:13 PM  

Thiel likes Trump. Therefore bad.

Blogger Brett baker May 10, 2018 12:14 PM  

Thiel likes Trump. Therefore bad.

Blogger Jack Amok May 10, 2018 12:16 PM  

When you remember that "Intellectual" doesn't mean "intelligent", it really means "credentialled", then it works better.

They are the Credentialled Dark Web.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2018 12:21 PM  

IDW is a LARP.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 10, 2018 12:23 PM  

Apparently that was left-wing Dark Web thought criminal Bret Weinstein, not left-wing Hollywood sex criminal Harvey Weinstein.

Is this what they call a distinction without a difference?

Blogger The Inquisitor May 10, 2018 12:44 PM  

Did you all see that Ben Shapiro claimed to be a member of the IDW on his podcast?
https://www.facebook.com/DailyWire/videos/1890450494325704/?hc_ref=ARRncatktRmmv-5XaaK6Spb5ckCo8v6WK5RnefvSVEigDavLJrJuXE1smpOd5Hg4Jkk

"The only thing that unites us is we don't like identity politics, we want to have conversations with each other, we don't want conversations shut down by calls of racism, sexism, bigotry, and homophobia- we are not racists, bigots, sexists, or homophobes btw..." Except when someone doesn't cuck on open borders or Israel, right Benny?

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 10, 2018 12:53 PM  

This is an attempt to reframe the debate since the Overton window has shifted hard right.
Wayyy to the left is neo-normal thought, JIW (Jish Intellectual Web- snare, trap) are the new cutting edgy tho acceptable - keep it in the closet - deviations from neonormal, thereby making everything right outside out of bounds.
So see, you stupid guyimz, you really do belong lumped in with caricature neo-nasties.

When the masses are monkey see, monkey do; then out of side, out of mind.
Mind Confinement.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2018 12:54 PM  

The Inquisitor wrote:we don't want conversations shut down by calls of racism, sexism, bigotry, and homophobia- we are not racists, bigots, sexists, or homophobes btw..."
Except when someone doesn't cuck on open borders or Israel, right Benny?

I notice (((one item))) conspicuously missing from Benji's list.

Also, note the insistence on being a good thinker.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah May 10, 2018 12:57 PM  

If you needed any more proof that conservatives don't conserve anything. NRO latest article "Time for a Compromise on Transgenderism". Cucks gonna cuck.

https://twitter.com/PrussianFeels/status/994265968598630400

Blogger Lovekraft May 10, 2018 12:59 PM  

The 'new cool' is NOT doing the Myley Cyrus twerk, is NOT doing the David Hogg Black Panther salute, it is NOT embracing our inner Justin Trudeau.

The new cool reflects Trump: hard-working, keeping private life private, calling out b.s., and generally avoiding whatever Hollywood, the Schumer/Pelosi cabal and legacy media pushes.

Anonymous Anonymous May 10, 2018 12:59 PM  

where does Peter Thiel fit into the current ideological landscape? Seems like no one left, moderate, alt-right, or (((right))) really claims him

Thiel is a gay who realizes that he is better off without gay marriage to his grandson age boyfriend. He also realizes he is better off with safe clean streets than San Frans shitty needle covered streets, & has enough HBD knowledge to know how that happens. He knows moslems are bad for everyone. Theil wants to live in a community were he is the worst neighbor.

I have been to enough gayborhoods to know what they lack.

Semi-related-
Jewess says parents should ask consent before changing baby diapers.

@weka looks like your neighbor

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sexuality-expert-claims-parents-need-babys-consent-when-changing-nappies-a3835896.html

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 10, 2018 12:59 PM  

I should say more of a balkanization of multiple diverging windows of considerable thought.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 10, 2018 1:16 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:
I notice (((one item))) conspicuously missing from Benji's list. Also, note the insistence on being a good thinker.



Hen Shapiro - the Littlest Transchickencuck

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 10, 2018 2:04 PM  

This is how far gone the West is currently: the creepy scary "far out there, man" extremists are actually just the "not actually communists, but still leftists".

Jesus wept.

Blogger tublecane May 10, 2018 2:37 PM  

Not that any of this nonsense is real, but the very fact that people think they can pass off this non-group group of alleged freethinkers as significant means that on some level the powers that be recognize PC is too stifling. The Ministry of Truth has to ease up a bit, lest bridges start collapsing. Wait, that already happened.

The Inner Party let Winston Smith have that sex pad, after all.

I am reminded, as others have been, of the neocons. They were renegades in their own minds simply for Noticing obvious truths like blacks were not the New Jews or New Irish. Also, for being marginally less crazy than the New Left pretended to be. Fat lot it amounted to.

If Damorean Memoranda and making dumb journalists look dumb on gender politics is enough to rock the West's intellectual boat, you know the boat is unsteady. But talking about the nonexistent dark web is like pretending there's an invisible mast right next to the broken main mast.

Blogger tublecane May 10, 2018 2:49 PM  

@20- Jacques Barzun as I recall had it that "intellectual" in the sense we're using it dates to the Drefus Affair, when people who made a living trading in ideas and products of culture like Emile Zola stuck their noses in public concerns and made clear they stood for certain things against other things.

I look on Wikipedia, and it stresses the "authority" of "public intellectuals" denouncing "injustice" and pushing an ideology.

Probably safe to say you don't reach such status without your positions being acceptable to intellectuals currently in authority. If you differ from them too much, no matter how cultured or smart you are, you're automatically an "anti-intellectual."

Blogger tublecane May 10, 2018 2:52 PM  

@23- What is Benji's rationalization for the Jewish Exception to "identity politics," again? That it's a religion, not a race or ethnicity? And that I suppose he claims you choose it like an ideology instead of being born into it?

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 10, 2018 3:40 PM  

@34
Well in public where non-jews can hear him, the reason is that Jews are uniquely persecuted therefore blah blah blah holocaust etc.

In private, it's very simple. Jews are the chosen people. Jews get different rules because they aren't goyim. To Jews, there is no hypocrisy there - Jews and goyim are fundamentally different so of course Jews get to abide by different rules. This is the main way that jews rationalize bad behavior - it's not bad when it benefits jews and hurts goyim, because that's the way God wants it.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:47 PM  

@7

"I thought the “dark web” name came from being blocked by Google/YouTube, since the dark web is anything you can’t find on Google. Apparently they’re not that smart."

Close.

It's sites that can ONLY be reached through TOR, usually residing on the .onion top level domain.

As such, none of it is cataloged by Google.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:49 PM  

@12

"Oh great. Now thoughtcrime is edgy and we're drowning in fucking hipsters."

If you meet a hipster, kick him in the shins.
Mock his pain as not being part of your reality.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2018 3:51 PM  

@16

""Reason" is useful, and Nick Gillespie is an OK guy for a PhD in English, but the direction their positions inevitably take them are highly highly HIGHLY problematic. That's why it's always intersting to read the comments by the acolytes, such as this one, that reveals it's absolutely fundamental flaw."

Please don't use the word "problematic" in any way other than sarcasm.

Either state what you think the problem is, or be dismissed as a cowardly, virtue-signalling goober, who doesn't have the guts to actually stand up and define a problem that you believe exists.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 10, 2018 4:45 PM  

"We're all left of center."

So the worst of the worst: spineless schlubs with no real convictions except about their own importance and who pick up their ball and run home if someone's a little mean to them.

What's the weak-hearted lefty equivalent of the True Conservative's bowtie? Ugly glasses?

Blogger tz May 10, 2018 6:05 PM  

Benji is at it again.

Cuckservatives conserve nothing and he proves it.

Young conservatives are far more likely to support same-sex marriage and marijuana decriminalization because they believe that the government should leave everyone alone. Young liberals call for tolerance because they want to promulgate a lifestyle, in other words; young conservatives call for tolerance because they actually believe in tolerance, even of lifestyle choices with which they disagree. In return, young conservatives demand that their opponents mind their own business.

As a sample. I think he will be surprised as white millenials get with the pogrom.

Blogger tz May 10, 2018 6:13 PM  

The error of libertarians which I noticed from the early 1980's but might have been present earlier is that in order to preserve liberty, tolerance, etc. you must be the apex predator, willing to use his claws and fangs (or the AR-15s IRL) to preserve it, because the Hyenas will kill the Lion if the Lion turns into a pussycat.

Besides the latest Delaware clown show for the LP/LNC, there are few who even mention guns. Tom Woods has over a thousand podcasts, do any feature guns? Jason Stapleton is an ex-Marine and mercenary (contractor) and deputy, and featured a gun training course, but that was when he was in Kansas, but he moved to LA CA, and hasn't mentioned them since. Even Ron Paul generally avoided the issue.

This is what I notice about Constiutional Christian Conservatives - they would appear Gun Crazy, but take the problem of security as something they solve themselves - they are neither dependent on the market with its logistics and supply chain, nor on government. They want to be left alone and can do quite well completely alone, thank you.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 10, 2018 9:39 PM  

"We're all left of center. It involves Jordan Peterson—he's a little bit right of center, but if you actually listen to him, there are certain topics on which he sounds downright conservative, and then there are other topics where he really doesn't. He's a little bit hard to peg."

Wow, the edginess.

Where else could you find milquetoast centrists discussing imperceptible deviations from orthodox Neo-liberalism than on the DARK WEB?

Blogger Jack Amok May 11, 2018 12:23 AM  

I look on Wikipedia, and it stresses the "authority" of "public intellectuals" denouncing "injustice" and pushing an ideology.

Public toilets are more useful than public intellectuals, though both of them are full of the same stuff.

And yes, you're spot on about what it takes to be called an anti-intellectual by this crowd.

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